This channel has everything, a catchy theme, comedy, education, memes and more, that's why I'm always excited when I wanna watch a video. Anyways matpat ever tried power scaling, power scaling is fun, you should try it sometimes
A small note on the Swedish food pyramid used in this video (the double pyramid version, not the one from 1974). I'm Swedish and I got curious when it was brought up since I had never seen that version before. When I went to school I was taught something called "Kostcirkeln" (basically "the diet circle") which is a lot more balanced than the 1974 food pyramid, and I was surprised that it didn't get a mention in this video for that reason. Anyway, so I was able to track down the image used in the video and read the article where it came from, and quickly found out that 1) the image was created by a local grocery line here and isn't actually created by any kind of nutritional authority and 2) It isn't actually meant to be used as a dietary aid. Rather, the pyramid is a visualization of the average modern diet and meant to be directly compared with the 1974 pyramid. The reason why there are "two" triangles is because the top one (labeled "empty calories) doesn't have an equivalent in the 1974 pyramid since it consists mainly of nutritionless junk food. I also think it's probably to show that the average Swedish person eats more junk food than meat + dairy combined, since they take up a smaller portion of the pyramid. The data is based on information from the Swedish institute of agriculture (jordbruksverket) and is part of a 2016 advertisement campain by the COOP grocery chain. They basically want to inform the public about the poor general diet, as well as assure their customers that the grocery chain has plenty of nutritious products that they can use to better their diet :) I wouldn't call this "two pyramids pyramid" a food pyramid at all for this reason, since it isn't meant as a diet aid, rather a grim portrayal of the Swedish populations *actual* poor diet I thought it was interesting since this episode is partially about the impact advertisements can have in spreading food misinformation and deceiving the public. If you actually would like to learn about the kind of diet recommendations that Swedish people are given today, I recommend looking into kostcirkeln. Even if you don't speak the language, most of the images are illustrated. I wouldn't say kostcirkeln is perfect- but at least it isn't like 40% soda and donuts lol.
I distinctly remember being in my fifth grade health class, and getting to the part about the food pyramid only for my teacher to pause and admit that she was required to teach us the food pyramid as it is shown, but that the entire thing is messed up by the government, and that it’s completely wrong.
That potato thing is the truest thing I've heard all day. There was a few old bad potatoes that got thrown out but missed the trashcan and ended up behind them. I had potato plants growing in a mixture of gravel, dirt, and tar/asphalt whatever from when they tear up the roads to repave. It's very cold out for once in a few years, it's hit freezing temperatures multiple times. Yet last week I noticed I had a potato plant behind my trashcan I pulled it and tossed it, because I don't want tar potatoes but. They really are resilient
I forgot I had a bag of potatoes somewhere in the cupboards. Those fuckers tried to grow in the corpses of their deceased friends while filling the cupboard with roots and sprouts.
@@birdgirl8390 better than having one potato of the bunch start rotting, attracting fruit flies and infecting the other potatos.... at least you now have a cupboard garden
You don’t need any of that stuff. You just need basic knowledge on what food sources contain the most protein, carbs, or fats. Then, as long as your exercising you can have anything you want in moderation
I grew up type-1 diabetic, so we got our own special food groups that were actually closer to that old circle where butter and margarine got it's own group, except it was called "fats and oils". They used to put the little symbols on some food packaging.
here's my own take of the food pyramid/triangle situation when i was younger i was taught to have somewhere between 5-8 cups of water a day, and when i took around 3 cups, I felt it was too much. same with food; dont have so many calories, eat more protein, eat more of this food. I was living a long-lasting nightmare, but now that i am older and much smarter (but still very stupid), I know how to live life with your own standards. drink as much water as you want but still drink water, if you have a problem with nutrients and minerals such as less sodium, iron, vitamin A, or an increase in those things, fit your diet to naturally curve to your needs. less sodium? more salty foods. more iron? less high iron foods. Its now what i know and you need to know, so if you're young drink like 2-3 not 5-8. and fruit is one thing you should be counting on for nutrients that taste good to you. veggies can even be made tasty on some cirumstances too.
I remember being told I need to drink 8 cups of water a day as a kid. Kids don't need that much because that's the recommend amount for a grown adult. And now I know the amount of water someone's body needs normally depends on their weight, diet, and the amount of exercise they get
5-8 cups of water a day is calculated for fatasses who eat so much junk food with so much sodium that 5-8 cups of water becomes a daily necessity... I only drink that much or maybe even more when I am working outside in the middle of the summer, but at that point I'm so drenched I could make a towel wet.
@@MoodyMickey Urgh you reminded me of when I was at my doctor the last two times; "How many cups of water a day?" "I do the 6-8 cups routine" "You need 8-10" I come back next time... "How many cups of water a day?" "I do 8-10 as you suggested" "Well you need 6-8 because any more is too much" It's like no matter what you're *always* going to do it 'wrong' even if the problem needs to be completely made up to make you fail.
Parents forget that the 8 glasses of water per day is the total amount of water you should consume, including the water in your food. So if you eat food containing a lot of water, you don't need to drink as much.
As someone from the U.K. I’ve only ever really heard of the food pyramid until now. We used to have the eatwell plate and now we have the eatwell guide and they are pretty good imo but I’ve only just found about about this.
I feel like my generation got skipped. In the 1980's just before the food pyramid, we had the 4 food groups. 1.Meat 2.Dairy 3.Fruit & Vegetable (yes these are both one category) 4. Grains
I grew up with that, it was used from 1956 to 1992 I believe. But I feel like people liked it a lot better (hence, why they kept it for almost 40 years). The main problem was that they didn't tell you how much of everything to eat, but they probably just figured people were smart enough to tailor it to their needs.
I distinctly remember seeing the food pyramid everywhere in schools. Also, years later, when one of my teachers was asked about it, and promptly said, "Oh, you can just ignore that."
I was in grade school in the 70s. We learned 4-4-3-2. There were silly videos, songs, comics, etc. No pyramid. I didn't see that complicated pyramid until I was an adult, in the 90s.
I never knew these things were official, I always thought it was a vague recommendation that we weren't supposed to look so close into. Never even had imagined they'd be telling you exactly how much to eat of each.
Dear matpat, love all of your channels!! I am 34 and have Been watching you since the start and have learned so many things that I didn’t know and even changed my views on things I thought I knew… you and your team and wife are nothing short of amazing!!
Swede here: Livsmedelsverket isn't using the food pyramid but something called "tallriksmodellen" or "kostcirkeln". Long story short, they favour the circle. The "matpyramid" was invented by coop, a company. Where I went to school it was included as "historical context" as how people used to think about food, not something to actually use.
@@icyfox8558 Jo, såg att de använder "South-up map orientation". (: th-cam.com/video/DDJ-wVNbaIs/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgzUJ-vdkFSCawchtdR4AaABAg&ab_channel=TheFoodTheorists
im part of the kids who grew up with the "my pyramid" and the "my plate" I always thought that these were stupid. (especially coming from a picky eater who eats very little to none fruits or vegtables.) Interesting to learn that they were quite arbitrary.
Growing up, I knew people who couldn't eat fruit, people who couldn't eat potato, gluten, cane sugar, milk, and/or egg. That's, uhh, 80% of the food pyramid right there. Meanwhile, indigenous tribes can survive off a diet of nearly pure meat/fish, latins survive off of a diet of pure rice&beans (with some cheap veggies), and the italians swim in olive oil and butter. It's almost like WHAT you eat is less important than other factors, like LIFESTYLE and QUALITY. Lamb isn't healthier than beef because it's more expensive (not directly). It's healthier because sheep are easy to raise on rocky soil, where cows are easy to raise on feedlots. Fish is only healthier than meat if the fish are living a healthier lifestyle than the meat equivalent. If a cow had a healthy lifestyle, it would be just as nutritious as your average lamb (and as tasty, as I can attest through personal experience.)
We had the foodplate model when I was a kid in the 90s, half of the plate being vegetables, 1/4 meat and 1/4 carbs. Nobody really followed that really.
I had the regular food pyramid, the sideways pyramid, AND the food plate when I was in school, at the time it seemed like they were changing it every time I moved to a different grade level
@@TheLastMillennials do I want to be? No, I was born in the early 2000’s, had the same stuff growing up as 90’s babies, and a bit more, but I’m classified as a “zoomer” 😒 I find me being roped in with the tide pod eaters a bit insulting 😂
Can you do a video on the differences on healthy diets? For example in body building we generally believe that you should hit your macros on as much whole foods as possible but it's okay to eat processed foods in lower quantities and it's all based around exercise vs dietitians and recommended healthy eating. That would be so cool
Did you know that, as part of WWII reparations, the Allies were given Bayer, which has since acquired Monsanto, the largest GMO Corporate Entity, in the World, I believe. So, basically it IS World Governments that Corporately OWN all of this GMO food. Very Glad I found your channel! Love it! Keep it coming :)
Was anyone else ever forced to take a carton of milk during school lunch? I would get yelled at because was a requirement even though I was lactose intolerant, I was told to take one anyways!? It's funny because when I requested healthier options like water it was something that I had to pay to get (so I just used the water fountain) and if I requested more fruit I wasn't allowed because I could only have a small portion! It's no wonder I started packing my own lunch from those days forward...
Back in the fifties and early sixties in the UK, we were given, and made to drink, free milk at school. Now, I'm not lactose intolerant, but I don't like the taste of milk, and can only drink it if it's _ice cold._ The stuff we were given was not refrigerated after delivery.. In summer it was tepid and in winter it often had a core of ice which had to be melted by putting the bottles on top of a radiator. It was quite disgusting, and much of my childhood was spent devising ways to avoid having to drink it.
Drink a fruit smooth every day of anti oxidant fruit with a banana and honey with a full glass a milk ,also a smoothie of onions garlic spinitch with olive oil( adjust to nerd of fats) and a tsp of tumeric,ginger,and cinnamon with that you will have all your nessary nutrients for a day all you need to eat is rice and meats (once again adjust to needs )
This is making me wonder what the pyramid looks like now that plant based diets are becoming more widely accommodated via plant meats, I've got plant bacon in the fridge right now, right next to the plant tenders and plant sausages.
FYI, some of the most nutritious grains are gluten free: amaranth, buckwheat, corn, millet, oats, quinoa, sorghum and teff. If you look at who’s in charge of making the food pyramid suggestions, and have been for years, the milk and dairy industry. The milk and dairy industry have taken over several food studies which really are no longer studies but rather propaganda.
And most of the planet is lactose intolerant to some degree. I mean, I'm not (thanks parents love it), and cheese and yoghurt are _fantastic_ on my very low carb diet, but milk? Eh. I'd just say "the food industry" in general is in on it. I'm not completely pissed, because at least we have meat/cheese and haven't been completely run over by grains...
I'm working very hard to make healthier nutritional choices as well as give my body more regular exercise, and part of that is learning and re-learning what constitutes healthy decisions for me individually. I really appreciate videos like this that blend neat general information about a cool topic with more helpful information relating to my personal goals. thanks again, matpat! man, i need to eat more vegetables. like, all the time. all the more vegetables.
I had a mix of food pyramid and myplate. Back in elementary school we did the food pyramid, until 4th or 5th grade when myplate started to phase out the food pyramid. In the nurses office we had a food pyramid with stairs, which always confused me. I have had to do tons of assignments about myplate in the past few days, and my god. It is so hard to do this when I latched this, and while m!y teacher is talking about how "99.99 percent of us can eat gluten, so companies say gluten free to make you think its healthy."
as a parent you have to remember some times it’s hard to get your kids to eat enoght calories to keep growing. so we use lots of butter. cholesterol is not a concern for 8 year olds.
Oh the my plate posters… I swear there were seven of them on every wall of the cafeteria. It’s like the school was some sort of myplate worshiping place 😂
There's a huge rabbit hole to fall down when you go to investigate how much the government subsidizes the various agricultural industries. So "big dairy" is legitimately a thing. The government has subsidized dairy to the point that they legitimately NEED people to consume their weight in cheese and milk so that the product doesn't just go to waste. Corn and wheat get similar government subsidies.
2:20 matpat, do you know who a celiac is? Also, you know, there are gluten intolerant people, and as a celiac, i mention this, because its not some "movement". And surprise, gluten free pastries contain much more sugar, and salt, to balnce out the lack of flour, which strenghtens the food. I am not a celiac because i chose to, i have had celiacy since 5 years old.
I remember here in the philippines where we didnt really use the food pyramid and instead has this 3 food groups that they used to teach us throughout elementary school called go, grow, and glow foods where basically every carbs are listed in go and every protein are listed in grow and every veggies are listed in the glow ones
Even Harvard's food pyramid is wrong in parts. Most of the oils they listed are terrible for you. Not to mention most U.S. 'olive oil' is not actually olive oil and you have to do your research to ensure you're getting the right thing.
Growing up in the 90's, I only ever saw the pyramid a few times in early elementary school, and then it just kind of disappeared and I grew up with a vague understanding that it was kind of important, but not really.
Let's be real, he can't make a conspiracy theory channel or the governments of the world would catch on. Or even worse, the illuminati would catch every detail he put out
@@vincenttt8289 _”fun”_ fact: you can actually still be malnourished despite being overweight/overnourished. Malnourished simply means a wrongful distribution of nutrients
when i was in preschool i saw a food pyramid with gluten and dairy, legit the exact two things im allergic to, and they said it's the most important part of any diet and i legit started crying thinking i was gonna die cause the two food groups i have to have to survive, i couldn't have.
This just proves that you can survive without stuff that these industries support! Look at vegans for example, they can live healthily without meat and dairy
I appreciate that these videos show that the real conspiracies aren't consisting of microchips and space lasers. It's all about corporate lobbying and biases. Thanks MatPat!
@@RoninCatholic Actually, they could. Definitely not in the sci fi planet destroying sense, but as point attack weapons, it is definitely possible. Why risk men and equipment in a strategic bombing campaign when a satellite could do the same job with less risk of civilian casualties?
I actually wrote a paper on this topic last semester! It was about agenda-driven influence on science, and discussed how food industries lobby the US government in order to have a say in FDA nutrition guidelines. I mostly covered the MyPlate Guide, so it was really cool to see this video, which goes into a more comprehensive history!
It's funny that MattPat took one episode and showed so many people how easily "science" can be corrupted by money and how easily people fall for propaganda
Including publication bias, it is stupid how the people (their consumers) are not being given facts, instead only does things that are good for the business.
I never understood the whole "People in other place are starving, so you should eat this food" thing. If someone told me this, I would probably respond with, "Then give it to them. I'm not starving"
I think the idea is for people not to take the food we have available to us for granted. It’s easy to forget that the world of abundance people from developed countries are used to is not the historical norm and how in many places nutritional deficiency is a common problem. Pretty much be grateful for the fact you have food in the first place
"Because I haven't found anything to replace Diet coke yet" I- *looks at the video where he decided he likes Harris Teeter diet cola more than Diet coke* He's been brainwashed into forgetting 😮 Seriously though, this was a very interesting video. Could you do a theory about what fruit smoothie is the healthiest (and tastiest)? I love smoothies, but always get told how unhealthy they are
@@selalewow I may be mistaken, but I don't think that they did a video on supplements. Also, I'm pretty sure that most doctors are of the opinion that supplements are fine if a diet (whether for health, religious, social, availability, whatever issues) can't get or get enough of a certain nutrient. It's just that they tend to be grossly overused and usually by people not in need of them.
I had to watch that part twice, because he said 'Diet Coke' but 'Diet Pepsi' was the picture. And yea, whatever happened with 'localbrand is better' and cheaper.
Here in Portugal we grew up with a food circle called “Roda dos Alimentos”. It featured 8 groups. In slices proportional to their serving sizes there were: vegetables, fruits, oil and butter (fats), dairy, proteins (meat, fish and eggs), peas and beans, carbs (potatoes, pasta and bread). What about the eighth? It was water! And it was right in the centre of the circle.
Thanks Portugal for making me realize that every single food chart I’ve seen has dairy on it and not anything about water, and seeing how much corporate lobbying was in this video I’m now kinda suspicious of this. I’m onto you big dairy
In my school we have a “ Roda dos alimentos “ in the canteen. It’s been there for years. It’s right in the center when you are leaving you can see it. And I think that’s a good thing
Man I pointed so much of this out to my health teacher in highschool and she always just blew me off and discredited what I said. Sometimes she’d say ‘show me your sources and maybe I’ll talk to you’ but she never wanted to see it. I was so mad, I had done research and she just thought everything I had to say was some kind of argumentative ‘your teaching is bad’ kind of thing. Which it never was. Just saying, not everyone needs dairy and grains aren’t the only way to base a diet. Walking is better than no exercise and more exercise is better than walking. Ugh...old memories killing my brain...
You should have talk to a journalist or the news channel. Tell them this has a interesting story. They can't resist. That will show your teacher and make that person mad.
I mostly grew up in the wake of MyPyramid and teachers just accepted it so blindly despite the fact it made literally no sense. Teachers didn't even bother trying to explain it to me and they mostly just told me it was the basis for our school lunches, even though we usually never got whole grains because the school couldn't afford it
A few series titles popped into mind: "Feeding Lies", irony "Fed the Lies", hitting the nail on the head "Fed on Lies", hitting it again "Food for Lies", play on words "With a Side of Lies", another play "Lie à la Mode", another play If you like one, go ahead and run with it. I'm partial to, "Hello, internet! Welcome to Food Theory: With a Side of Lies. Where we delve into the lies we've been fed about the food we eat."
Oh my god I can't believe this I've been a fan of game theory and other theory channels for years now, always watching their content and this video has made my day. At 14:18 it's shown a meme I've made over 3 YEARS ago. I finally made it into a theory video with my old meme. This caught me by complete surprise, I'm so happy. Thank you everyone on the theory team.
I find it rather threatening that so many things we learn is because food industries are like "We need to keep our money, so let's lie to our folks until they consume. Best teach it to our children in school!". And you see this on Food Theory by just binging a bit! Like every third episode is 'bout some government or food industry pulling a pinnochio.
Yeah I'm glad Matpat made a video on this. I remember learning about how companies lobbied for their placement on the food pyramid, making us eat too much refined carbs but not enough fiber. No one gave much thought into it whenever I brought that topic, and now that Matpat covered it, it will hopefully reach an audience who cares.
These pyramids also came at a time when most Americans started traveling by car everywhere, to the point where you cant get anywhere without one. These pyramids have obfuscated what a healthy and balanced diet actually looks like, while at the same time weve become less active by choice at first and necessity now.
I'm gonna need to actually see some of these "topics/theories for another day". I've heard the phrase some many times recently... I've heard it three separate times in this episode alone! I would love to see MatPat actually address some of the overlooked talking points he has mentioned in his previous videos. An idea for the fourth channel perhaps?
I've said the same thing 😃, I think this video and the chicken nugget one were a "theory for another day" topic so I hope he addresses all the other ones at some point soon cause a lot of them are genuinely interesting
Fun thing, once my mom said to me to eat my vegies cause there where kids starving, i, as a kid, think 7-8 years old, tought about it and said "well, then take it and mail it to them! I dont like this, maybe they will"
Turns out veggies taste amazing when they aren't served blandly steamed with no spices and margarine as your only spread option! I still shudder when I think of my grandfather's cooking. My own mother used to think she hated brussels sprouts till I served her some roasted, pink salted and covered in REAL butter.
@@pillowkitty6 But when they are served blandy they are more healthy. With butter they are less healthy. Specially, if they are fried or something. Heating the vegetable too much destroy health nutrients in it. I know that this sounds very bad. But there are some people who cook in a healthier way and some in a tastier way. Maybe your grandpa tried to cook in a healthy way because he cared about you and your mon's healthy.
You all ever wonder why they called it the pyramid? Cause, it's a triangle. They only show us one side. Saying it's a pyramid implies there are other sides that they don't show us. And i really wonder what the food hierarchy looks on thevother sides
Now here's some good thinking! I'll bet there is a side with a lot of meat and animal fats at the bottom and some legumes and potatoes on top. The exact opposite of what they would like to see us eat.
Because of this pyramid and not understanding what my body needs, I recently had to rethink my relationship with food. I lost 52 lbs when I stepped back, did research, and reevaluated my relationship with food. Thank you for making this video, Matpat. I hope this reaches the people who need to hear this!
Woah congrats on losing 52 lbs, that’s amazing! Im currently trying to lose weight and i feel like I’m not getting anywhere. What kind of research did you do?
@Lina Wael you lose weight by eating in a calorie deficit every single day. Which means eating less than your body burns a day. Start weighing your foods on a scale and track every meal.
@@Juliette_jules I tracked how many calories and what I eat and drink. I researched why I ate the way I did, which Noom helped a lot with. I currently try to stay within a 1210 calorie budget, but can be a bit more if, say, the family Christmas dinner happens. One big, bad meal didn't wreck me. When it came to planning work lunches, meal prepping really helped. Increasing vegetables and decreasing processed food like Hot Pockets (300+ calories each!!) or Hot Cheetos really helped. Learning to read labels, understanding portion sizes, and balancing a good diet while staying within a calorie budget isn't easy, but doable! I had a hard time even getting to 1200 calories some days, but manage it most of the time now
@@Juliette_jules Solid suggestions so far but I'd say 1200 is a bit extreme. 1500 is minimum I would go, 1800 is easily achievable and will still let you lose weight, although at a slower pace. Also, never think of Sports as "burning calories". The easiest calories to burn, are the ones that don't end up in your body in the first place
@@euchale calories are entirely based on the person, 1500 calories is a much different amount for a thin framed 4'9 person than it is for a wide framed 6'2 person
I remember taking a freaking test on the my pyramid thing back when I was like maybe 7-8, and you had to PASS it or else couldn’t do recess until you did. I’m glad I’m not in school anymore.
Dear Matpat, would it be possible to make a video on the myth that Warm milk helps you to sleep better? (My mom STILL forces me to drink milk before bed, and only a scientific debunk of this myth can save me from my misery)
It's like chicken soup making you feel better... if your told something/do something since childhood.. it can cause a placebo affect... your brain has been tricked to associate warm milk = sleepy... But it is thought that warm drinks can be calming.. so that's a factor.. but that's can be anything; tea, hot coco, ect
It varies from person to person. Some people are intolerant, some people thrive on it. The genetics involved are a bit chaotic, so there's no way to predict if milk is good or bad for you based on your parentage. That said, if your body is telling you to avoid milk, I would listen to it's advice.
Warm drinks in general calm your body down, milk is generally recommended as it doesn't have caffeine or excess sugar, it really doesn't need to be milk things like herbal teas and even light soups would work just as well. A lot of it is just placebo but it does promote muscle relaxation and having something to focus on to just be in the moment without invasive thoughts. I would assume having to drink something you don't like just before bed would negatively impact sleep quality.
I remember being really confused about food in elementary school in the early 2000s. At my school they had the 90s food pyramid, the my pyramid, and the my plate on the walls in the cafeteria and hallways leading to it. Looking back it really is just food industry propaganda.
@@TheLastMillennials I'm aware but I grew up in a small town where everything is 5 years behind the rest of America. I'm pretty sure I could go back to that school and the same posters would still be on the walls.
As a kid who grew up with digestive issues, I couldn’t/still can’t eat things that are considered “healthy”, and I felt a lot of shame over that. This idea of a “perfect” diet also contributes to body image insecurities. They pushed this so hard onto us, it has unfortunately shaped our habits as we now become adults.
In the 80's there were in the area of Ethiopia especially. That was big in the entertainment industry and led to things like USA for Africa (We Are The World), Band Aid (Do they know its Christmastime at all) and the Live Aid concert. Before that it was common to say "don't waste food there are starving kids in China" but more accurately was Southeast Asia
I always thought it was those mission trips, that interfered with developing nations by culture shock and forcing schools, that ultimately caused people to live in starving nations. Before the children were taught how to hunt and gather, then after the kids were distracted by shiny stuff and no one learned how to even get food. Interference in development, "sending aid" cost external resources and can only last so long, ultimately degrading a people. Small exchanges and learning how a people live and sharing knowledge and wisdoms with what's on hand, what is useful and non invasive; this will build up all parties involved. If there are starving kids anywhere in the world, it's likely because someone was trying to force their values, and then left right after a turning point.
Hey MatPat, could you do a theory on the best value for an ice cream /milkshakes from various restaurants similar to your French fry episode. Would love to know which is the best and have been asking for a while
I just feel the need to share this here: I have a vintage lifestyle book (it's from ~1952), and it includes a recommended *daily* diet for a teenage girl. It is: 1 qt. milk, 1 serving cereal, 1 egg, 2 green vegetables and a green salad, 2 servings of fruit (1 citrus), 1 serving meat/fish, 3 pats butter, 4 slices of bread, and a potato.
That’s way too much for me. I am 5ft tall and despite being naturally very muscular still have a relatively low TDEE. FOUR slices of bread is too much in the way of carbs especially if you ALSO have cereal. Even just eating one or two slice of bread daily I start piling on the lbs, getting bloated etc. Sometimes a slice of bread has more sugar in it than a can of Coke! I would have 2 slices of bread OR the potato, but not both.
If there's one thing that rings true with this food theory trilogy, it just goes to show that "science" often isnt based on the scientific method, but whatever politics demand at the time.
I still want evidence that these nutrition guidelines actually change diet, by what means (like is it consumer choice or do the suppliers change their mix in a way that alters consumption patterns) and also how selectively is the advise taken up (like do people eat more fats but not eat fewer carbs, if the advise suggests an increase in the percentage of calories from fats but not an increase in total calories etc.).
It's generally consumer choice which then impacts supply. It's not all that effective on adults it's more used as an educational tool for children in schools alongside more in depth nutrition knowledge. In australia anyway, I can't speak personally about the nutrition programs in other countries
@@okayfriendd1704 Clearly the intension is often to affect consumer choice often by educating children before they start making food choices, where is the evidence that it actually succeeds in doing that. Also, what about say the food served or supplied by charities or hospitals or the meal plans of universities. If those change based on national nutrition guidelines that to me is different from consumer choice. although it is not a supplier in the sense of a farmer, butcher or baker.
@@okayfriendd1704 here in the mother country the government pressure food companies with threats of legislation so they "reformulate" their foods and drinks to meet the government's "obesity guidelines" either by shrinkflation or by adding artificial sweeteners. This puts me in the uncomfortable position of having to support COCA COLA of all companies as they are the only fizzy drink company that didn't capitulate.
in my experience (which admittedly isn't scientific), it mostly seems to affect what kids and prisoners get fed for their meals. I'm sure the first one that was pounded into us back in the 90s affected consumer choices, but after several confusing fails, I bet the later ones had less effect.
A random theory Idea: how to make the a chip with the loudest crunch, What would that chip would it be made of? (corn, wheat, potato etc.) and how the cooking method needed to provide that crunch (like deep fry or kettle cook for example). Maybe there some secret to it. I am curious
I just watched a video about making crunchy chips at home by "My Name Is Andong", which is admittedly only about potato chips, but he explains the science and history behind it pretty well and the quality of his videos is just *chef's kiss* th-cam.com/video/UiJmmVd3kWI/w-d-xo.html
I believe that the use of the "new" Swedish food triangle is misused, the image shows both the 1974 and the 2014 versions, and it's an ad from a major grocery store that attempted to use this image to increase their sales of empty calories products like sweets and chips. It says the numbers come from jordbruksverket (the Swedish Board of Agriculture). A proper source would be livsmedelsverket (the National Food Administration)
Actually if you look it up, the 2014 pyramid shows how we Swedes eat tooday, not how we SHOULD eat. It shows our actual eating habits. It’s actually meant to show that the food pyramid does not work since we clearly don’t follow it, and it needs replacing
I’m actually writing a paper on the MyPlate food graphic right now and had been having a writers block. This video has actually given me some more ideas to write about! Thanks man!
In New Zealand I've always noticed that at the stores you have to walk pass a few junk food before you get to the fruits and vegetables aisle it's tempting not to buy the junk food while getting there.
Yes, in the retail industry it's known as the "impulse buy" display section & it is *absolutely* intentional. Ever wonder why the Dairy section is inevitably in the very back of the supermarket or grocery store, forcing U to trek all that way & back again just for a lousy container of milk? It's all carefully planned so that you'll B that much more tempted by what U see along the way to throw more unplanned purchases (impulse buys) into your shopping cart or handbasket. In the US this gets turned up to eleven when U reach the checkout area: each & every cashier station has its own section of impulse buys, mostly candy bars & other forms of junk food (don't know if this is also true outside the US).
When MatPat talks about not having anything to replace Diet Coke, whoever edited the video put in a graphic of Diet Pepsi. Was the hilarious heresy intentional?
This channel has everything, a catchy theme, comedy, education, memes and more, that's why I'm always excited when I wanna watch a video. Anyways matpat ever tried power scaling, power scaling is fun, you should try it sometimes
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But wtf is power scaling?
@Beast 😈 you have 1 video lol
I don’t think Matpat can look at a Pyramid without making a bill cypher or Triforce joke
Wow same
After reporting bots, there's only 2 replies to this including mine, dang
The other day, I made Triforce joke while talking to my grade 2s about 3-dimensional solids, and none of them knew what a Triforce was.
@@ceilinh6004 That makes me really worried about kids these days. I assume you dropped everything and educated them on Hyrule history?
@@ceilinh6004 how could they not know
A small note on the Swedish food pyramid used in this video (the double pyramid version, not the one from 1974). I'm Swedish and I got curious when it was brought up since I had never seen that version before. When I went to school I was taught something called "Kostcirkeln" (basically "the diet circle") which is a lot more balanced than the 1974 food pyramid, and I was surprised that it didn't get a mention in this video for that reason. Anyway, so I was able to track down the image used in the video and read the article where it came from, and quickly found out that 1) the image was created by a local grocery line here and isn't actually created by any kind of nutritional authority and 2) It isn't actually meant to be used as a dietary aid. Rather, the pyramid is a visualization of the average modern diet and meant to be directly compared with the 1974 pyramid. The reason why there are "two" triangles is because the top one (labeled "empty calories) doesn't have an equivalent in the 1974 pyramid since it consists mainly of nutritionless junk food. I also think it's probably to show that the average Swedish person eats more junk food than meat + dairy combined, since they take up a smaller portion of the pyramid. The data is based on information from the Swedish institute of agriculture (jordbruksverket) and is part of a 2016 advertisement campain by the COOP grocery chain. They basically want to inform the public about the poor general diet, as well as assure their customers that the grocery chain has plenty of nutritious products that they can use to better their diet :) I wouldn't call this "two pyramids pyramid" a food pyramid at all for this reason, since it isn't meant as a diet aid, rather a grim portrayal of the Swedish populations *actual* poor diet
I thought it was interesting since this episode is partially about the impact advertisements can have in spreading food misinformation and deceiving the public. If you actually would like to learn about the kind of diet recommendations that Swedish people are given today, I recommend looking into kostcirkeln. Even if you don't speak the language, most of the images are illustrated. I wouldn't say kostcirkeln is perfect- but at least it isn't like 40% soda and donuts lol.
I distinctly remember being in my fifth grade health class, and getting to the part about the food pyramid only for my teacher to pause and admit that she was required to teach us the food pyramid as it is shown, but that the entire thing is messed up by the government, and that it’s completely wrong.
That's nice
Now that is a good teacher.
That potato thing is the truest thing I've heard all day. There was a few old bad potatoes that got thrown out but missed the trashcan and ended up behind them. I had potato plants growing in a mixture of gravel, dirt, and tar/asphalt whatever from when they tear up the roads to repave. It's very cold out for once in a few years, it's hit freezing temperatures multiple times. Yet last week I noticed I had a potato plant behind my trashcan
I pulled it and tossed it, because I don't want tar potatoes but. They really are resilient
thus you missed out on a balanced diet
I forgot I had a bag of potatoes somewhere in the cupboards. Those fuckers tried to grow in the corpses of their deceased friends while filling the cupboard with roots and sprouts.
@@birdgirl8390 better than having one potato of the bunch start rotting, attracting fruit flies and infecting the other potatos.... at least you now have a cupboard garden
What a way to end a Potato plant players grind
@@starsilverinfinity what a battle
15:48 matpat talks about diet coke and it shows diet pepsi. i thought we went through this already
I personally prefer to use the Simple Health Shape.
Never thought I would find Emo Abraham Lincoln on food theory
Doo doo da doo doo do it healthy
TOO MUCH WILL MAKE YA TEETH GO GREW!
You don’t need any of that stuff. You just need basic knowledge on what food sources contain the most protein, carbs, or fats. Then, as long as your exercising you can have anything you want in moderation
I grew up type-1 diabetic, so we got our own special food groups that were actually closer to that old circle where butter and margarine got it's own group, except it was called "fats and oils".
They used to put the little symbols on some food packaging.
Ive learned more about nutrition and the human body from Matpat than I have from every science teacher Iv ever had
here's my own take of the food pyramid/triangle situation
when i was younger i was taught to have somewhere between 5-8 cups of water a day, and when i took around 3 cups, I felt it was too much. same with food; dont have so many calories, eat more protein, eat more of this food. I was living a long-lasting nightmare, but now that i am older and much smarter (but still very stupid), I know how to live life with your own standards. drink as much water as you want but still drink water, if you have a problem with nutrients and minerals such as less sodium, iron, vitamin A, or an increase in those things, fit your diet to naturally curve to your needs. less sodium? more salty foods. more iron? less high iron foods. Its now what i know and you need to know, so if you're young drink like 2-3 not 5-8. and fruit is one thing you should be counting on for nutrients that taste good to you. veggies can even be made tasty on some cirumstances too.
I remember being told I need to drink 8 cups of water a day as a kid. Kids don't need that much because that's the recommend amount for a grown adult. And now I know the amount of water someone's body needs normally depends on their weight, diet, and the amount of exercise they get
5-8 cups of water a day is calculated for fatasses who eat so much junk food with so much sodium that 5-8 cups of water becomes a daily necessity... I only drink that much or maybe even more when I am working outside in the middle of the summer, but at that point I'm so drenched I could make a towel wet.
@@MoodyMickey Urgh you reminded me of when I was at my doctor the last two times;
"How many cups of water a day?"
"I do the 6-8 cups routine"
"You need 8-10"
I come back next time...
"How many cups of water a day?"
"I do 8-10 as you suggested"
"Well you need 6-8 because any more is too much"
It's like no matter what you're *always* going to do it 'wrong' even if the problem needs to be completely made up to make you fail.
Parents forget that the 8 glasses of water per day is the total amount of water you should consume, including the water in your food. So if you eat food containing a lot of water, you don't need to drink as much.
10:28 the meat companies thinking we would ever give up meat is funny
Matt: "The World Health Organization or W H O"
Me: The Who???🤣
6:05
Anyone else grateful for the Ronaldo meme at 8:40 such a great sight
1:02, how about “ Nutritious or Suspicious?” Or “Delicious or Suspicious?”
This guy can take ANY Food, Game, Movie, and just transform it to some Theory! This guy is a genius!
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Yes! Haha!
As someone from the U.K. I’ve only ever really heard of the food pyramid until now. We used to have the eatwell plate and now we have the eatwell guide and they are pretty good imo but I’ve only just found about about this.
YES the eatwell guide is good, because it actually shows EVERYTHING
I feel like my generation got skipped. In the 1980's just before the food pyramid, we had the 4 food groups.
1.Meat
2.Dairy
3.Fruit & Vegetable (yes these are both one category)
4. Grains
Same. And it was in the not nearly as fun square box. I miss that a lot.
I grew up with that, it was used from 1956 to 1992 I believe. But I feel like people liked it a lot better (hence, why they kept it for almost 40 years). The main problem was that they didn't tell you how much of everything to eat, but they probably just figured people were smart enough to tailor it to their needs.
When MatPat says “That’s a theory for another day” but then it never makes it into a video😭😂
Whew... think we need some time to digest all of this. In the meantime, what's everyone ordering tonight??
Oh ur very sneaky i am coming for u grubhub i have eyes everywhere
sneaky i see
@@manbehindthewindow7168 someone finally found it
WTH
ngl ima order a can of food
I distinctly remember seeing the food pyramid everywhere in schools.
Also, years later, when one of my teachers was asked about it, and promptly said, "Oh, you can just ignore that."
Lol
I was in grade school in the 70s. We learned 4-4-3-2. There were silly videos, songs, comics, etc. No pyramid. I didn't see that complicated pyramid until I was an adult, in the 90s.
I never knew these things were official, I always thought it was a vague recommendation that we weren't supposed to look so close into. Never even had imagined they'd be telling you exactly how much to eat of each.
Dear matpat, love all of your channels!! I am 34 and have Been watching you since the start and have learned so many things that I didn’t know and even changed my views on things I thought I knew… you and your team and wife are nothing short of amazing!!
Swede here: Livsmedelsverket isn't using the food pyramid but something called "tallriksmodellen" or "kostcirkeln". Long story short, they favour the circle. The "matpyramid" was invented by coop, a company. Where I went to school it was included as "historical context" as how people used to think about food, not something to actually use.
4:54 Märkte du att de satte landet uppochner
@@icyfox8558 Jo, såg att de använder "South-up map orientation". (: th-cam.com/video/DDJ-wVNbaIs/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgzUJ-vdkFSCawchtdR4AaABAg&ab_channel=TheFoodTheorists
(Länken är ett försök att länka direkt till kommentaren jag skrev om kartan)
im part of the kids who grew up with the "my pyramid" and the "my plate" I always thought that these were stupid. (especially coming from a picky eater who eats very little to none fruits or vegtables.) Interesting to learn that they were quite arbitrary.
Growing up, I knew people who couldn't eat fruit, people who couldn't eat potato, gluten, cane sugar, milk, and/or egg. That's, uhh, 80% of the food pyramid right there.
Meanwhile, indigenous tribes can survive off a diet of nearly pure meat/fish, latins survive off of a diet of pure rice&beans (with some cheap veggies), and the italians swim in olive oil and butter. It's almost like WHAT you eat is less important than other factors, like LIFESTYLE and QUALITY.
Lamb isn't healthier than beef because it's more expensive (not directly). It's healthier because sheep are easy to raise on rocky soil, where cows are easy to raise on feedlots. Fish is only healthier than meat if the fish are living a healthier lifestyle than the meat equivalent. If a cow had a healthy lifestyle, it would be just as nutritious as your average lamb (and as tasty, as I can attest through personal experience.)
They have the my plate outside of the cafeteria and nobody uses it
The classic food pyramid was replaced in 2005. You're probably a internet zoomer
@@TheLastMillennials Your comment seemed condescending but yes, I was born in 2005. I'll be 17 later this year making me gen z
4:55 Did anyone else notice that Sweden was upside down?
0:53 MATPAT STOP SAYING PURPLE! DO YOU WANT YOURSELF MAKING A FNAF THEROY AGAIN!
Matpat: OH HECK NO I SAYING PURPLE AGAIN
We had the foodplate model when I was a kid in the 90s, half of the plate being vegetables, 1/4 meat and 1/4 carbs. Nobody really followed that really.
Lol
I had the regular food pyramid, the sideways pyramid, AND the food plate when I was in school, at the time it seemed like they were changing it every time I moved to a different grade level
Are you a fortnite zoomer
@@TheLastMillennials do I want to be? No, I was born in the early 2000’s, had the same stuff growing up as 90’s babies, and a bit more, but I’m classified as a “zoomer” 😒 I find me being roped in with the tide pod eaters a bit insulting 😂
Can you do a video on the differences on healthy diets? For example in body building we generally believe that you should hit your macros on as much whole foods as possible but it's okay to eat processed foods in lower quantities and it's all based around exercise vs dietitians and recommended healthy eating. That would be so cool
5:49 yea, the cold weather is sadly gone but we still don’t have sunlight
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Did you know that, as part of WWII reparations, the Allies were given Bayer, which has since acquired Monsanto, the largest GMO Corporate Entity, in the World, I believe. So, basically it IS World Governments that Corporately OWN all of this GMO food. Very Glad I found your channel! Love it! Keep it coming :)
I need my glasses I thought that the triangle in the thumbnail was bill cipher and then I clicked and then he said
“Mabye even bill cipher”
Lol
15:48 No, visual editor, that isn't diet coke lol
Was anyone else ever forced to take a carton of milk during school lunch? I would get yelled at because was a requirement even though I was lactose intolerant, I was told to take one anyways!? It's funny because when I requested healthier options like water it was something that I had to pay to get (so I just used the water fountain) and if I requested more fruit I wasn't allowed because I could only have a small portion! It's no wonder I started packing my own lunch from those days forward...
Back in the fifties and early sixties in the UK, we were given, and made to drink, free milk at school. Now, I'm not lactose intolerant, but I don't like the taste of milk, and can only drink it if it's _ice cold._ The stuff we were given was not refrigerated after delivery.. In summer it was tepid and in winter it often had a core of ice which had to be melted by putting the bottles on top of a radiator. It was quite disgusting, and much of my childhood was spent devising ways to avoid having to drink it.
Drink a fruit smooth every day of anti oxidant fruit with a banana and honey with a full glass a milk ,also a smoothie of onions garlic spinitch with olive oil( adjust to nerd of fats) and a tsp of tumeric,ginger,and cinnamon with that you will have all your nessary nutrients for a day all you need to eat is rice and meats (once again adjust to needs )
This is making me wonder what the pyramid looks like now that plant based diets are becoming more widely accommodated via plant meats, I've got plant bacon in the fridge right now, right next to the plant tenders and plant sausages.
This video has never been more eye-opening than it is now😂
FYI, some of the most nutritious grains are gluten free: amaranth, buckwheat, corn, millet, oats, quinoa, sorghum and teff.
If you look at who’s in charge of making the food pyramid suggestions, and have been for years, the milk and dairy industry. The milk and dairy industry have taken over several food studies which really are no longer studies but rather propaganda.
And most of the planet is lactose intolerant to some degree.
I mean, I'm not (thanks parents love it), and cheese and yoghurt are _fantastic_ on my very low carb diet, but milk? Eh.
I'd just say "the food industry" in general is in on it. I'm not completely pissed, because at least we have meat/cheese and haven't been completely run over by grains...
I'm working very hard to make healthier nutritional choices as well as give my body more regular exercise, and part of that is learning and re-learning what constitutes healthy decisions for me individually.
I really appreciate videos like this that blend neat general information about a cool topic with more helpful information relating to my personal goals. thanks again, matpat!
man, i need to eat more vegetables. like, all the time. all the more vegetables.
0:51 I didn't expect that reference lol.
*Most Foods are tasty*
And that’s not a theory
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I had a mix of food pyramid and myplate. Back in elementary school we did the food pyramid, until 4th or 5th grade when myplate started to phase out the food pyramid. In the nurses office we had a food pyramid with stairs, which always confused me. I have had to do tons of assignments about myplate in the past few days, and my god. It is so hard to do this when I latched this, and while m!y teacher is talking about how "99.99 percent of us can eat gluten, so companies say gluten free to make you think its healthy."
its the farmer from untitled goose game 3:48
6:15 XD
Food Theory Video Idea:What fast food resturant has the best reheatable french fries?
Maypat: Diet Coke
Picture: Diet Pepsi
as a parent you have to remember some times it’s hard to get your kids to eat enoght calories to keep growing. so we use lots of butter. cholesterol is not a concern for 8 year olds.
Oh the my plate posters… I swear there were seven of them on every wall of the cafeteria.
It’s like the school was some sort of myplate worshiping place 😂
5:34 scary potato make me giggle
This is the second Food Theory episode where Exotic Butters from FNaF 5 is shown, also the FNaF 3 jumpscare sound effect
There's a huge rabbit hole to fall down when you go to investigate how much the government subsidizes the various agricultural industries. So "big dairy" is legitimately a thing. The government has subsidized dairy to the point that they legitimately NEED people to consume their weight in cheese and milk so that the product doesn't just go to waste. Corn and wheat get similar government subsidies.
Other countries trying to make food praymid: what will help to make best diet
America trying to make trying to make food praymid: junk food go brrrrr
2:20 matpat, do you know who a celiac is?
Also, you know, there are gluten intolerant people, and as a celiac, i mention this, because its not some "movement". And surprise, gluten free pastries contain much more sugar, and salt, to balnce out the lack of flour, which strenghtens the food. I am not a celiac because i chose to, i have had celiacy since 5 years old.
ok
I remember here in the philippines where we didnt really use the food pyramid and instead has this 3 food groups that they used to teach us throughout elementary school called go, grow, and glow foods where basically every carbs are listed in go and every protein are listed in grow and every veggies are listed in the glow ones
Dear Mattpat,
Can you make a theory about tasting colors of some sort? I'm really curious if you're able to taste colors.
REMOVE THAT SPINACH FROM THE PUZZA, PUT DARK CHOCOLATE ON IT MATT PATT!
As someone who grew up during the time of changing from a circle to a pyramid, I am so confused
Even Harvard's food pyramid is wrong in parts. Most of the oils they listed are terrible for you. Not to mention most U.S. 'olive oil' is not actually olive oil and you have to do your research to ensure you're getting the right thing.
Butter isn't a cause of obesity no one eats in anymore and the world's more obese then ever. I eat a tonne of it and I'm skinny.
Growing up in the 90's, I only ever saw the pyramid a few times in early elementary school, and then it just kind of disappeared and I grew up with a vague understanding that it was kind of important, but not really.
Just curious how do the medium fries hold up against the
fry basket that they now have, as it has more fries than a large but is cheaper.
Wowww th-cam.com/video/FSSFgWlDbJU/w-d-xo.html…….
bruuh you copied someone elses comment
@@ruhgamed2216 not only they copied someones comment, its a bot
Is anyone else surprised that there isn't a "The Conspiracy Theorist" channel yet?
Let's be real, he can't make a conspiracy theory channel or the governments of the world would catch on. Or even worse, the illuminati would catch every detail he put out
i think that might be coming
im surprised
im also surprised there isnt "book theory"
That would be too obvious. Lol
Cheng I loved ur Detroit become human stuff
dear matpat, can you do a theory about discount prices? i feel like even when things are on discount, they keep the same cost
Yea i agree
Once they put a "discount" on a shirt
And it was 32 pounds
Also there was pizza i wanted
But to expensive🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Alice ❤️ WTH? No one will click on that link
@peace No one is clicking on that link.Forget it!
Yes I feel the same way some how so I would love for a video on that
@01_Qinar Ma wtf
The fact that this video isn’t called the food pyramid scheme is a huge missed opportunity in my opinion.
Multi-Level Malnutrition
@@vincenttt8289 I know, I just couldn't think of a better M word for an MLM joke.
@@vincenttt8289 _”fun”_ fact: you can actually still be malnourished despite being overweight/overnourished. Malnourished simply means a wrongful distribution of nutrients
agreed
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when i was in preschool i saw a food pyramid with gluten and dairy, legit the exact two things im allergic to, and they said it's the most important part of any diet and i legit started crying thinking i was gonna die cause the two food groups i have to have to survive, i couldn't have.
You poor thing! ;-; How did your teacher handle that?
Well you will die, just not because of that reason 😉
This just proves that you can survive without stuff that these industries support! Look at vegans for example, they can live healthily without meat and dairy
I’d be sad if I had to be vegan
@@imame1433 ...you'd be sad if you had to care about animals?
I appreciate that these videos show that the real conspiracies aren't consisting of microchips and space lasers. It's all about corporate lobbying and biases. Thanks MatPat!
Microchips are coming, but space lasers probably aren't.
@@RoninCatholic Actually, they could. Definitely not in the sci fi planet destroying sense, but as point attack weapons, it is definitely possible. Why risk men and equipment in a strategic bombing campaign when a satellite could do the same job with less risk of civilian casualties?
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@@RoninCatholic both are already here
So many bots...
I actually wrote a paper on this topic last semester! It was about agenda-driven influence on science, and discussed how food industries lobby the US government in order to have a say in FDA nutrition guidelines. I mostly covered the MyPlate Guide, so it was really cool to see this video, which goes into a more comprehensive history!
What grade did you get?
Wait, can you share that?! Haha I would love to read.
Still waiting for op to post their project
Capitalism poisons everything
It's funny that MattPat took one episode and showed so many people how easily "science" can be corrupted by money and how easily people fall for propaganda
Including publication bias, it is stupid how the people (their consumers) are not being given facts, instead only does things that are good for the business.
Sounds a little bit about this situation we are in now eh?
"tRuSt ThE sCiEnCe" - proceeds to utterly ignore it
It's simple; you look at the ones benefitting.
... Are y'all really turning an unserious episode of a comedic Food Theory TH-cam channel to justify your dumb anti-vaccination bullshit?
I never understood the whole "People in other place are starving, so you should eat this food" thing. If someone told me this, I would probably respond with, "Then give it to them. I'm not starving"
That's exactly what I said when my parents would tell me that
I think the idea is for people not to take the food we have available to us for granted. It’s easy to forget that the world of abundance people from developed countries are used to is not the historical norm and how in many places nutritional deficiency is a common problem. Pretty much be grateful for the fact you have food in the first place
@@123GOHANZ Yep that’s how I’ve always seen it.
The idiot in your name really fits… a lot of people don’t realize what a privilege it is to not starve to death.
And I probably would have high-fived you for saying that. It is accurate/correct.
"Because I haven't found anything to replace Diet coke yet"
I-
*looks at the video where he decided he likes Harris Teeter diet cola more than Diet coke*
He's been brainwashed into forgetting 😮
Seriously though, this was a very interesting video. Could you do a theory about what fruit smoothie is the healthiest (and tastiest)? I love smoothies, but always get told how unhealthy they are
14:47 did he not have a video about how vitamin supplements are garbage? I find Matpat tends to forget about earlier episodes.
@@selalewow Maybe he should do an episode about what food helps bettering your memory 😂
@@selalewow I may be mistaken, but I don't think that they did a video on supplements. Also, I'm pretty sure that most doctors are of the opinion that supplements are fine if a diet (whether for health, religious, social, availability, whatever issues) can't get or get enough of a certain nutrient. It's just that they tend to be grossly overused and usually by people not in need of them.
How exactly? I'm confused. It's just dairy and fruit grinded up into a frothy liquid that you can drink.
I had to watch that part twice, because he said 'Diet Coke' but 'Diet Pepsi' was the picture. And yea, whatever happened with 'localbrand is better' and cheaper.
Here in Portugal we grew up with a food circle called “Roda dos Alimentos”. It featured 8 groups. In slices proportional to their serving sizes there were: vegetables, fruits, oil and butter (fats), dairy, proteins (meat, fish and eggs), peas and beans, carbs (potatoes, pasta and bread). What about the eighth? It was water! And it was right in the centre of the circle.
Thanks Portugal for making me realize that every single food chart I’ve seen has dairy on it and not anything about water, and seeing how much corporate lobbying was in this video I’m now kinda suspicious of this. I’m onto you big dairy
awe nice, we all need some water
i grew up with that and with the mediterranean diet, but my school said that the "roda dos alimentos" was better
everybody forgets water
In my school we have a “ Roda dos alimentos “ in the canteen. It’s been there for years. It’s right in the center when you are leaving you can see it. And I think that’s a good thing
Man I pointed so much of this out to my health teacher in highschool and she always just blew me off and discredited what I said. Sometimes she’d say ‘show me your sources and maybe I’ll talk to you’ but she never wanted to see it. I was so mad, I had done research and she just thought everything I had to say was some kind of argumentative ‘your teaching is bad’ kind of thing. Which it never was. Just saying, not everyone needs dairy and grains aren’t the only way to base a diet. Walking is better than no exercise and more exercise is better than walking. Ugh...old memories killing my brain...
Arguing with the health teacher my favorite past time but it’s not their fault there just doing there job and they can’t put in there own opinion
With that kind of dismissive closed mindset, I daresay they were right to be insecure because their teaching really is not great
That sounds right.
Careful not to go too deep... I keep making that mistake and running up against trauma that still has lasting physical symptoms.
Existing sucks XD
You should have talk to a journalist or the news channel. Tell them this has a interesting story. They can't resist. That will show your teacher and make that person mad.
I mostly grew up in the wake of MyPyramid and teachers just accepted it so blindly despite the fact it made literally no sense. Teachers didn't even bother trying to explain it to me and they mostly just told me it was the basis for our school lunches, even though we usually never got whole grains because the school couldn't afford it
lol
A few series titles popped into mind:
"Feeding Lies", irony
"Fed the Lies", hitting the nail on the head
"Fed on Lies", hitting it again
"Food for Lies", play on words
"With a Side of Lies", another play
"Lie à la Mode", another play
If you like one, go ahead and run with it.
I'm partial to, "Hello, internet! Welcome to Food Theory: With a Side of Lies. Where we delve into the lies we've been fed about the food we eat."
That... surprisingly works. Most suggestion comments are like:
"yOu ShOuLd dO A tHeOrY aBoUt HoWs KFC aTtAckEd cHuCkiE chEeZe tHeoRY"
I love “with a side of lies!” That’s the best one imo
YESSSS
ahh these are so fun!!
Oh my god I can't believe this
I've been a fan of game theory and other theory channels for years now, always watching their content and this video has made my day.
At 14:18 it's shown a meme I've made over 3 YEARS ago. I finally made it into a theory video with my old meme. This caught me by complete surprise, I'm so happy. Thank you everyone on the theory team.
congratz😀😁
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Wow, crazy!
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I find it rather threatening that so many things we learn is because food industries are like
"We need to keep our money, so let's lie to our folks until they consume. Best teach it to our children in school!".
And you see this on Food Theory by just binging a bit! Like every third episode is 'bout some government or food industry pulling a pinnochio.
This started the obesity problem in America. I've been saying this for years, finally someone else with a platform saying it
Yeah I'm glad Matpat made a video on this. I remember learning about how companies lobbied for their placement on the food pyramid, making us eat too much refined carbs but not enough fiber. No one gave much thought into it whenever I brought that topic, and now that Matpat covered it, it will hopefully reach an audience who cares.
Yeah same
I'm just looking at your food pyramid from Europe and I'm like "lol wut?"
These pyramids also came at a time when most Americans started traveling by car everywhere, to the point where you cant get anywhere without one.
These pyramids have obfuscated what a healthy and balanced diet actually looks like, while at the same time weve become less active by choice at first and necessity now.
Early 80s
Before that, people were rarely over 300 lbs.
The had the 4 food groups before
I'm gonna need to actually see some of these "topics/theories for another day". I've heard the phrase some many times recently... I've heard it three separate times in this episode alone! I would love to see MatPat actually address some of the overlooked talking points he has mentioned in his previous videos. An idea for the fourth channel perhaps?
I've said the same thing 😃, I think this video and the chicken nugget one were a "theory for another day" topic so I hope he addresses all the other ones at some point soon cause a lot of them are genuinely interesting
Fun thing, once my mom said to me to eat my vegies cause there where kids starving, i, as a kid, think 7-8 years old, tought about it and said "well, then take it and mail it to them! I dont like this, maybe they will"
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Turns out veggies taste amazing when they aren't served blandly steamed with no spices and margarine as your only spread option! I still shudder when I think of my grandfather's cooking.
My own mother used to think she hated brussels sprouts till I served her some roasted, pink salted and covered in REAL butter.
Yeah I thought the exact same thing "If there are kids starving, why should I eat food THEY could have"
@@pillowkitty6 In other words, they only taste good when you can't taste them anymore.
@@pillowkitty6 But when they are served blandy they are more healthy. With butter they are less healthy. Specially, if they are fried or something. Heating the vegetable too much destroy health nutrients in it.
I know that this sounds very bad. But there are some people who cook in a healthier way and some in a tastier way. Maybe your grandpa tried to cook in a healthy way because he cared about you and your mon's healthy.
You all ever wonder why they called it the pyramid? Cause, it's a triangle. They only show us one side. Saying it's a pyramid implies there are other sides that they don't show us. And i really wonder what the food hierarchy looks on thevother sides
Ehehe i wonder what 3D artists will come up with if they decided to make use of this knowledge
@@sundalosketch4769 Just three different food pyramids from specific points in history. lol
Now here's some good thinking! I'll bet there is a side with a lot of meat and animal fats at the bottom and some legumes and potatoes on top. The exact opposite of what they would like to see us eat.
@@statinskill I just learned about the "Digestible Indispensable Amino Acid Score (DIAAS)." To me, it looks like you won your bet.
Dark internet, show me the forbidden food pyramid sides!
Because of this pyramid and not understanding what my body needs, I recently had to rethink my relationship with food. I lost 52 lbs when I stepped back, did research, and reevaluated my relationship with food. Thank you for making this video, Matpat. I hope this reaches the people who need to hear this!
Woah congrats on losing 52 lbs, that’s amazing! Im currently trying to lose weight and i feel like I’m not getting anywhere. What kind of research did you do?
@Lina Wael you lose weight by eating in a calorie deficit every single day. Which means eating less than your body burns a day. Start weighing your foods on a scale and track every meal.
@@Juliette_jules I tracked how many calories and what I eat and drink. I researched why I ate the way I did, which Noom helped a lot with.
I currently try to stay within a 1210 calorie budget, but can be a bit more if, say, the family Christmas dinner happens. One big, bad meal didn't wreck me.
When it came to planning work lunches, meal prepping really helped. Increasing vegetables and decreasing processed food like Hot Pockets (300+ calories each!!) or Hot Cheetos really helped.
Learning to read labels, understanding portion sizes, and balancing a good diet while staying within a calorie budget isn't easy, but doable! I had a hard time even getting to 1200 calories some days, but manage it most of the time now
@@Juliette_jules Solid suggestions so far but I'd say 1200 is a bit extreme. 1500 is minimum I would go, 1800 is easily achievable and will still let you lose weight, although at a slower pace.
Also, never think of Sports as "burning calories". The easiest calories to burn, are the ones that don't end up in your body in the first place
@@euchale calories are entirely based on the person, 1500 calories is a much different amount for a thin framed 4'9 person than it is for a wide framed 6'2 person
I remember taking a freaking test on the my pyramid thing back when I was like maybe 7-8, and you had to PASS it or else couldn’t do recess until you did.
I’m glad I’m not in school anymore.
That is bullcrap
I remember being told a lot of bullshit in school, I don't remember what it was exactly albeit.
Dear Matpat, would it be possible to make a video on the myth that Warm milk helps you to sleep better?
(My mom STILL forces me to drink milk before bed, and only a scientific debunk of this myth can save me from my misery)
It already exists. It's the video on Thanksgiving Turkey that mentions it.
It's like chicken soup making you feel better... if your told something/do something since childhood.. it can cause a placebo affect... your brain has been tricked to associate warm milk = sleepy...
But it is thought that warm drinks can be calming.. so that's a factor.. but that's can be anything; tea, hot coco, ect
Lol in my family my mom thinks drinking milk is bad
It varies from person to person. Some people are intolerant, some people thrive on it. The genetics involved are a bit chaotic, so there's no way to predict if milk is good or bad for you based on your parentage. That said, if your body is telling you to avoid milk, I would listen to it's advice.
Warm drinks in general calm your body down, milk is generally recommended as it doesn't have caffeine or excess sugar, it really doesn't need to be milk things like herbal teas and even light soups would work just as well. A lot of it is just placebo but it does promote muscle relaxation and having something to focus on to just be in the moment without invasive thoughts. I would assume having to drink something you don't like just before bed would negatively impact sleep quality.
It’s so cool that the Theory team can keep making the toys for 3 different genres in a week
@fine Dude stop posting that we get it Don’t be those other 2 bots
@BELINDA🦋 you ok?
@Usda Lefa 💘 you ok?
@@Ichik0xd just report and ignore the bots
I remember being really confused about food in elementary school in the early 2000s. At my school they had the 90s food pyramid, the my pyramid, and the my plate on the walls in the cafeteria and hallways leading to it. Looking back it really is just food industry propaganda.
You. the food pyramid is just as scientific as a Got Milk? add. It's all there to sell you a product.
The classic food pyramid was replaced in the mid 2000s
@@TheLastMillennials I'm aware but I grew up in a small town where everything is 5 years behind the rest of America. I'm pretty sure I could go back to that school and the same posters would still be on the walls.
As a kid who grew up with digestive issues, I couldn’t/still can’t eat things that are considered “healthy”, and I felt a lot of shame over that. This idea of a “perfect” diet also contributes to body image insecurities. They pushed this so hard onto us, it has unfortunately shaped our habits as we now become adults.
@@tabithaziol504 yeah everybody is different
I always heard the phrase as "There are children starving in Africa."
Also, maybe those ounces are also volume. Like 8 oz to a cup, ya know?
Yo I'm African and eating rn
@@izegbuwaidumwonyi1690 Big same! Whenever I heard it I wanted to say.
"Lemme me just call my cousin and check you on that."
In the 80's there were in the area of Ethiopia especially. That was big in the entertainment industry and led to things like USA for Africa (We Are The World), Band Aid (Do they know its Christmastime at all) and the Live Aid concert. Before that it was common to say "don't waste food there are starving kids in China" but more accurately was Southeast Asia
I always thought it was those mission trips, that interfered with developing nations by culture shock and forcing schools, that ultimately caused people to live in starving nations.
Before the children were taught how to hunt and gather, then after the kids were distracted by shiny stuff and no one learned how to even get food.
Interference in development, "sending aid" cost external resources and can only last so long, ultimately degrading a people.
Small exchanges and learning how a people live and sharing knowledge and wisdoms with what's on hand, what is useful and non invasive; this will build up all parties involved.
If there are starving kids anywhere in the world, it's likely because someone was trying to force their values, and then left right after a turning point.
I always thought that was dumb. Like...how is my decision to eat or not eat something going to impact someone living in Africa?
You know it's going to be a good episode when he mentions the illuminati at least 4 times in the first minute
True
@fine No
What the CDC approval of RNA vaccines
@Beast 😈 why would u put down another channel to boost ur own no one wants to subscribe when u act like that
0:11 BILL CIPHER!!???!?!???!!!
Hey MatPat, could you do a theory on the best value for an ice cream /milkshakes from various restaurants similar to your French fry episode. Would love to know which is the best and have been asking for a while
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God I hate these bots. Great episode idea thought, I’d love to see it
@@supreme_king_obama1158 So do I man
@@tytyfamilygamer14 seriously, them bots are multiplying or something
So many bots...
I just feel the need to share this here: I have a vintage lifestyle book (it's from ~1952), and it includes a recommended *daily* diet for a teenage girl. It is: 1 qt. milk, 1 serving cereal, 1 egg, 2 green vegetables and a green salad, 2 servings of fruit (1 citrus), 1 serving meat/fish, 3 pats butter, 4 slices of bread, and a potato.
That's not enough food for a day for me
That seems fine honestly, just kind of boring after a while
Yeah thats not far off from what i eat
That’s way too much for me. I am 5ft tall and despite being naturally very muscular still have a relatively low TDEE. FOUR slices of bread is too much in the way of carbs especially if you ALSO have cereal. Even just eating one or two slice of bread daily I start piling on the lbs, getting bloated etc. Sometimes a slice of bread has more sugar in it than a can of Coke! I would have 2 slices of bread OR the potato, but not both.
@@SobrietyandSolace dude it said the daily diet of a teenage girl includes ''1LITER'' of milk
15:25 he guessed ww3😅
yikes I hope I dont get drafted
If there's one thing that rings true with this food theory trilogy, it just goes to show that "science" often isnt based on the scientific method, but whatever politics demand at the time.
Yes
Indeed
Think you're forgetting the capitalist interests here, as they are the biggest lobbying forces.
Sounds a bit like the situation in the world now
@@Zeverinsen politics have a lot to do with the economy, usually influencing each other more than anything else.
dear matpat why did you have to call ww3 inevitable
I still want evidence that these nutrition guidelines actually change diet, by what means (like is it consumer choice or do the suppliers change their mix in a way that alters consumption patterns) and also how selectively is the advise taken up (like do people eat more fats but not eat fewer carbs, if the advise suggests an increase in the percentage of calories from fats but not an increase in total calories etc.).
What the RNA vaccines today and CDC today
It's generally consumer choice which then impacts supply. It's not all that effective on adults it's more used as an educational tool for children in schools alongside more in depth nutrition knowledge. In australia anyway, I can't speak personally about the nutrition programs in other countries
@@okayfriendd1704 Clearly the intension is often to affect consumer choice often by educating children before they start making food choices, where is the evidence that it actually succeeds in doing that.
Also, what about say the food served or supplied by charities or hospitals or the meal plans of universities. If those change based on national nutrition guidelines that to me is different from consumer choice. although it is not a supplier in the sense of a farmer, butcher or baker.
@@okayfriendd1704 here in the mother country the government pressure food companies with threats of legislation so they "reformulate" their foods and drinks to meet the government's "obesity guidelines" either by shrinkflation or by adding artificial sweeteners. This puts me in the uncomfortable position of having to support COCA COLA of all companies as they are the only fizzy drink company that didn't capitulate.
in my experience (which admittedly isn't scientific), it mostly seems to affect what kids and prisoners get fed for their meals. I'm sure the first one that was pounded into us back in the 90s affected consumer choices, but after several confusing fails, I bet the later ones had less effect.
A random theory Idea: how to make the a chip with the loudest crunch, What would that chip would it be made of? (corn, wheat, potato etc.) and how the cooking method needed to provide that crunch (like deep fry or kettle cook for example). Maybe there some secret to it. I am curious
Wow this is actually an elite idea
I just watched a video about making crunchy chips at home by "My Name Is Andong", which is admittedly only about potato chips, but he explains the science and history behind it pretty well and the quality of his videos is just *chef's kiss*
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Deep fry it in cement then dry it under an airdryer
I think GMM did something along these lines.
I believe that the use of the "new" Swedish food triangle is misused, the image shows both the 1974 and the 2014 versions, and it's an ad from a major grocery store that attempted to use this image to increase their sales of empty calories products like sweets and chips. It says the numbers come from jordbruksverket (the Swedish Board of Agriculture). A proper source would be livsmedelsverket (the National Food Administration)
I'm not convinced you didn't just mash your keys for that one
Ja det har du förmodligen rätt i det gick så fort så jag hade inte tid att läsa allt men jag såg också att det stod 1974 och 2014
I am fine with livsmedel because that's Lebensmittel but, jordbruk, wtf? Yard-break?
@@statinskill jordbruk = agriculture. jord = soil, bruk = usage.
Actually if you look it up, the 2014 pyramid shows how we Swedes eat tooday, not how we SHOULD eat. It shows our actual eating habits. It’s actually meant to show that the food pyramid does not work since we clearly don’t follow it, and it needs replacing
I’m actually writing a paper on the MyPlate food graphic right now and had been having a writers block. This video has actually given me some more ideas to write about! Thanks man!
Fortnite
In New Zealand I've always noticed that at the stores you have to walk pass a few junk food before you get to the fruits and vegetables aisle it's tempting not to buy the junk food while getting there.
Yes, in the retail industry it's known as the "impulse buy" display section & it is *absolutely* intentional.
Ever wonder why the Dairy section is inevitably in the very back of the supermarket or grocery store, forcing U to trek all that way & back again just for a lousy container of milk? It's all carefully planned so that you'll B that much more tempted by what U see along the way to throw more unplanned purchases (impulse buys) into your shopping cart or handbasket. In the US this gets turned up to eleven when U reach the checkout area: each & every cashier station has its own section of impulse buys, mostly candy bars & other forms of junk food (don't know if this is also true outside the US).
Junk food is literally food junk. It sucks, doesn't it?
When MatPat talks about not having anything to replace Diet Coke, whoever edited the video put in a graphic of Diet Pepsi. Was the hilarious heresy intentional?