Keep in mind that apart from a very small minority, I do not recommend ANY product for anyone in this video, most of us are going to be 100% fine with any modern wireless gaming mouse these days! Massive thanks to TechPowerUp and others (you know who you are) for teaching me over the years!
@@StriderNS2 You do not need an expensive or a relatively recent CPU, you'd actually need to an old low-end CPU for your system to struggle. My 7700K was completely fine with even 8KHz.
@@stefanpapdi5151 no he's right if you play a CPU intensive game you're gonna shit yourself running a high polling rate without a decent CPU. But yeah for CSGO/OW absolutely doesn't matter
@@StriderNS2 does this go with keyboards as well? I just bought a new keychron keyboard that runs at 1000hz and it seems like my computer is struggling in games with it. I had a HyperX keyboard before that and I think it didn’t run at 1khz.
haus proving once again why he is the most competent reviewer, period. I would love for you to test other 1000hz nordic mcus to see how they stack up, like the ACE variants from GWolves. I'm guessing their click and motion latency is closer to the GPX (which would still be put it squarely in front of the Compx mice nonetheless)
nice video. I own a ton of gaming mice. Ive always felt that the logitech and razer flagship mice have a better overall feel to them than all the smaller companies. The materials used and the overall wireless performance just has a more crisp feel to them. Couldnt really understand why but this video helps in confirming those thoughts
Great video. I really wish razer had other lightweight shapes as I find their dav3 shape so uncomfortable. And I've mained the ec2 in the past, I feel their take on the ec2 is subpar compared to other clones for my grip. I appreciate what they're doing pushing the market forward though.
Great video, very complete as usual. The problem with logitech is their LOD, too low and picks up far too often, compared to all the other brands that offer us the ability to change LOD, logitech does nothing, yet they just have to add an option to be able to put this LOD at least 2 mm, lamzu has made an update to increase this time before putting the mouse to sleep, which will necessarily have an impact on battery life
if you want a higher LOD with logitech mice you can just stick something on the mouse feet so the sensor is raised slightly and then run the calibration tool. Or you could also just lift it up a bit. And I think you could also manually edit the config file and set the LOD value. But yeah it'd be simpler if they just added a LOD slider to the software.
Yeah I noticed the wireless ones didn't feel exactly the same as my wired Zowie mouse. Cable doesn't bother me anyway. Not that I couldn't play or play well, but felt it was like a different sensor or yeah not 1:1 motion always, like stated.
Hey men, great Video! Did you test the Logitech Mice with the dongle cable-extender adapter, by any chance? (The adapter that get shipped with the mouse, where you plug in the dongle, then it's attached to the micro USB Cable). I saw many people claiming it will cut off the 2ms difference of wireless mice, because the dongle will be near the mouse, instead of attached to the PC. I wonder if it might even increase lag, because the signal needs to pass trough the dongle-adapter and then trough the USB cable... would be interesting to see, if there will be a difference.
It's interesting to note that Roccat and Cooler Master also use Nordic MCUs for their wireless models. I doubt that either company has the firmware engineering experience to match that of Logitech or Razer. The Kone Pro Air demonstrates pretty good performance according to you & pzogel/TechPowerUp, as long as you turn off the garish RGB zones.
Damn how am I just seeing this. Goated video. It's honestly a pretty crazy world that razer leads the pack right now. I haven't came off my v2 pro in awhile
hehe i was here gandalf !!! 3000years ago when i talked about DPi between mice !!! Yp haus nice video with a lot of useful infos !! Keep doing this kind of banger bro
You should do this tests with the Zowie and Vaxee Wireless mouses too!!!! I would love to see if this company’s professional gaming focused can stand from the others in this matter! Awesome video as always!
💪 love wired for sure. But love my X2, aria, and Lamzu. But if I'm gonna be serious and want no issues at all it's gonna be wired. I mean I don't play my games on wifi, only on Ethernet. So wired is always gonna be faster. Great info as usual. Cheers Haus.
Really amazing video, very impressive to see how Razer is best atm while logitech is close by, very interested on seeing the new logitech that its being hinted on social networks.
Great video Haus, very informative and well explained. Thanks a lot for creating this content for the community. So you recommend getting a 4khz Razer dongle even if I don't a razer wireless mice?
Have you done any testing on different switch latency in the same mouse? (in mice that don't have optical switches, let's say the superlight). I'm interested to see if Omrons, Kailh, Huano, etc. have significantly different latency
very nice video haus , well explain and noob friendly :) , i see a lot of pro actualy switching to dav3 pro guess they know and test this lag free for us ^^
They've fixed the biggest problems with it already! So I would not worry about the performance, this video is mostly so you just understand where it stands!
Really interesting video. I hope I can get the EC2-C with 4K pr wireless one day, hopefully at least the GPX gets 4K soon bec I'm really not a fan of the DAV3 and Viper shapes and coating. Also is the Lamzu suitable for a forward relaxed claw grip? some people say that it's very similar to the XM1 which felt pretty bad to me bec of it's width at the rear and that the shape almost forced me to place my pinky and ring finger in the middle curvature with a curled claw grip, feels too locked in and unnatural to move the mouse properly imo.
So I have definitely noticed the idle delay on some of these mice, but I have the X2 Mini wireless Rotobox edition from Pulsar, and that one does not seem to have the issue at all, and I do play Valorant. Maybe it's been addressed?
great video, it helps a lot and makes start to think to the people why pros really use just these big brands. It's a fact, however, I tested something very particular for me, I have dav3 gpx x2 mini ss prime mini and prime wireless, ss prime wireless with the latest ss firmware but with the software closed as very low motion delay and click latency (that is was average hight) compared to pulsar x2 and lamzu showed in your video. that was just a random fact that I was glad to say
Superb content Haus as usual! Fellas anyone knows if Razer Orochi V2 suffers from idle delay? Being budget and all. Also how can I measure the DPI deviation for my copy without installking LDAT or building a test machine like most reviewers?
Haus can you please tell what gaming arm sleeves do u use/recommend? i am using razer strider rn & i put my whole arm on desk which causes my arm to stuck alot ! Tq for the amazing video Tho love this kinda content
I was gonna get m2k zaunkonig, but now they discontinued it and next batch will be m3k. Hopefully the ultra low latencies- motion and click, stay elite
Great video Haus as always! Logi and Razer leading the tech again I see. I expect endgamegear, zowie, and vaxee will be really good with the wireless gear too and might be the reason they're taking so long to launch. They're probably trying to get the wireless implementation perfect.
Battlesense tested mouse latency and found that: - Bluetooth is slow and prone to signal interferences - USB is fastest (not sure about USB 2.0 vs 3) - 2.4ghz is almost as fast as USB - PS/2 port is the lowest which goes against popular belief I’d like to see the latency of mouse switches: mechanical vs optical. Thanks
I doubt the PS2 port is faster than high-speed USB. PS2 polling rate is 250hz iirc, and high-speed devices poll at 8000hz! Some 2.4ghz wireless devices are close to wired as is stated in this video!
@@hausgaming can you feel the difference when moving the crosshair in CSGO between 1000hz polling rate vs 4K on 240hz or 360hz monitors? A lot of CSGO pros are using deathadder v3 at 4K, interesting to see if the difference is noticeable. Thanks for the interesting finds! (And lol @ PS2 250hz).
@@WoolleyWoolf i can see the cursor motion being more consistent moving the mouse in windows(360hz) with the viper 8khz set to 4khz. blur busters made posts about it too.
Do you realise that your E2E latency is like 15ms (with the DAV3), so the delay of you clicking your mouse and the shot happening your screen is 15ms. With 8ms click latency it would be 23ms, which you can for sure feel very easily!
Did you get any data from testing on the MZ1 wireless, or know if the MCU has any issues? And if so, is plugging in the wireless mouse a way to get rid of these issues as well?
Can you test motion latency between a single mouse when it's wired vs wireless? I've been saying it for years, but it's just doesn't feel the same when I flick around. It's not that I can tell there's latency or anything, it's literally just that it feels different. It's been the same thing between a few high end PC's on both AMD and Intel so I don't believe it to be a system thing. My gut just tells me that motion latency/inaccuracy is more of an issue than click latency. That being said, I'm pretty sure if I started gaming on a good wireless mouse, then I'd be used to that and probably wouldn't be able to play with a wired mouse. Also, what about testing the latency between high DPI and low DPI with the DAV3 at 4k Hz. According to Prosettings, Jame was playing 25.6k DPI at .03 in game sense at IEM Rio, and the only thing that makes sense for this config is to reduce motion latency.
3 weeks ago Jame was using 3200 cpi with the DAV3 at least: th-cam.com/video/xHSCFix09wY/w-d-xo.html . The difference with premium wireless mice in wired/wireless mode is negligible! You should not be able to tell the difference
I bought the Lamzu Atlantis and now im lowkey a bit Sadge lmao. Even though the shape is more comfortable and i track/flick better on it idk how to feel.
the razer and logitech wireless mice are way too expensive for me. I'll just stick to paracorded cable mice. I rather have a cable then all the issues of the cheaper wireless mice
i keep noticing that only the superlight has that premium quality, i now have DAv3 and Viper v2 pro and its just not the same, specially the coating and overhaul feel in hand, weight distribution etc, had 3 superlights!
Hi man, I love your videos. Can I ask an advise? What should I buy.. the gpx or razer viper v2 pro or deathadder v3 pro or lamzu atlantis? My hand size is 19x10cm and my grip style is palm and relaxsed claw. And I am playing siege a lot. Thanks in advance.
@@hausgaming What about Lamzu. What are you suggesting to me, I m have to wait XM2w or should aı buy Lamzu. Because I tried GPX and the shape did not fit for me because the back side was little bit too wide for me and I prefer the hump close to back not middle.
Hello Haus ! You have mentioned the HTS+ 4K, but how does the HTS+ classic perform when it comes to idle delay and click latency compared to the superior alternative ? Does it have the same issues as other wireless mice like the x2 ?
The only place this matters is on multiplayer. However, everybody seems to forget the polling rate of the game server. If you're incredibly lucky, you'll have a 60 Hz server, but most of them are 30 Hertz, translated, that's 17ms to a whopping 33ms. Worse that's taken into account a stable connection with no ping fluctuation whatsoever. In reality, you're lucky to see 50 ms best case scenario. Further, most people aren't waiting five or 10 seconds without touching their mouse and moving it around. Unless they're in the bathroom or on a cell phone call and they're going to get timed out and booted anyway for inactivity.
I have the xlite V2 mini and i can feel that supposed 1ms delay using it wireless vs wired. Especially when I flick from one target to another in koovaks and Apex legends. It only noticeable in motion delay, click latency can't tell any difference.
So if I understand correctly, by the time the M8 releases there should be a firmware for every CompX mcu that fixes all of these idle delay issues for Aria, Atlantis etc? Or is it only Xtrfy that has managed to fix it?
Xtrfy has a firmware engineer or subcontracts some other company to write their firmware, so it does not necessarily mean all the rest will have it fixed as well. Xtry mice so much on-board customization that they basically are forced to have a firmware engineer. BUT, I would say a fix will be here sooner rather than later!
@@hausgaming Well at least its good to hear its fixable. I don't recall the 3370 having these issues. Its kinda weird that the newer sensor is suffering from latency issues. Makes you think why you would bother buying the newer sensor then lol. 🙏
It does not, CPI affects the latency, but the differences are very minor. 1600 CPI is the one I'd recommend everyone to use though, but it doesn't make a big difference.
@@hausgaming I'm not referring to the mouse latency, I mean like the games actual drawing of frames based off calculating reference point. I.e. does 1.0 sens go through processor faster than applying 1.73 sens of change to each frame. From my understanding in the source engine, the shots are actually related to the rendering of frames or something, and i feel like in apex the game feels alot better at 1.0 in game sense. I hope that explains what I'm wondering better, of course this is probably an advanced question for a game engineer
The DAv3 looks good but I'm not paying €160,- for a fucking mouse man I draw the line at the 120 I paid for my GPX, and even the thought I paid that much for a mouse makes me feel stupid
@@hausgaming thanks for your response. Im switching all the time but I’m kinda getting tired of it so I’ve been leaving 4k on at all time for the past few days 😂
no my mouse isnt lag free i have a lot of system latency and depends on the game but i feel and see how long it takes to render a mouse movement when im at low framerates
@@takh6806 Check here: www.techpowerup.com/review/corsair-sabre-rgb-pro-wireless/5.html . It would end up being slightly worse than GPX and nowhere near DAV3/V2Pro at 4K
Going from Model O Wireless to DAV3 (1khz) back to back in the shooting range in COD the difference is noticeable. Less latency is ALWAYS better, even just a few MS you can feel our human body is very perceptive to unnatural motion and of course a mouse and PC are a very unnatural thing for the human brain. Any additional input lag will be picked up on. If you continuously go back and forth between the mice you will go from over-shooting your targets on MOW to under-shooting targets on the DAV3 at the same DPI. It is hard to stop on a pinpoint spot with more latency. It's that simple. The same goes for Pulsar X2 it's a bit better than the MOW but still noticeably worse than the DAV3. I have even considered going back to Wired mice because of all the nonsense with these wireless mice.... you pay a huge premium to cut the cord and in the end get a worse performing product which requires charging daily at 4khz.
DAV3 Pro for example performs much better than most wired mice do these days, but yes you do pay a huge premium. Less latency is always better, but you will not notice a 1ms difference in click latency for example.
@@hausgaming Totally agree. That's why I "downgraded" to GPX from DAV3 and it was totally worth it. I absolutely love this mouse and my mouse hunt stopped immediately when I got it.
So is motion sync worth having on? Is it worth a ~1ms difference? Part of me is so happy mice are so good we're worried about tiny thing like this, but the other part of me does wonder if I'm playing "optimally"
You will not notice the 1ms penalty, but you will not notice Motion Sync being ON in-game either. I flipped a coin and ended up using motion sync off with the 3395 mice for now!
Keep in mind that apart from a very small minority, I do not recommend ANY product for anyone in this video, most of us are going to be 100% fine with any modern wireless gaming mouse these days! Massive thanks to TechPowerUp and others (you know who you are) for teaching me over the years!
@@StriderNS2 You do not need an expensive or a relatively recent CPU, you'd actually need to an old low-end CPU for your system to struggle. My 7700K was completely fine with even 8KHz.
@@StriderNS2 bro we play csgo on 700 fps
@@stefanpapdi5151 no he's right if you play a CPU intensive game you're gonna shit yourself running a high polling rate without a decent CPU. But yeah for CSGO/OW absolutely doesn't matter
@@myteor5576 works great on valorant too
@@StriderNS2 does this go with keyboards as well? I just bought a new keychron keyboard that runs at 1000hz and it seems like my computer is struggling in games with it. I had a HyperX keyboard before that and I think it didn’t run at 1khz.
haus proving once again why he is the most competent reviewer, period. I would love for you to test other 1000hz nordic mcus to see how they stack up, like the ACE variants from GWolves. I'm guessing their click and motion latency is closer to the GPX (which would still be put it squarely in front of the Compx mice nonetheless)
Thanks for the continued support brother! Will run tests for the Ace at some point, it is better than CX mice for sure though!
this video is absolutely insane. love mouse science videos like this.
Very good grouping of data and info to paint a clear picture for everyone, keep it up Haus 👊 (also ordered the 4k dongle last night 😅)
Thank you brother! Haha, glad you managed to snag one! Those seem to be more hard to get than a Starlight-12 atm 😂
@@hausgaming facts 🤣
nice video. I own a ton of gaming mice. Ive always felt that the logitech and razer flagship mice have a better overall feel to them than all the smaller companies. The materials used and the overall wireless performance just has a more crisp feel to them. Couldnt really understand why but this video helps in confirming those thoughts
Great video. I really wish razer had other lightweight shapes as I find their dav3 shape so uncomfortable. And I've mained the ec2 in the past, I feel their take on the ec2 is subpar compared to other clones for my grip. I appreciate what they're doing pushing the market forward though.
Thanks bro! I prefer the EC2 as well, but I can adapt to new shapes fairly fast, so there is little to no reason for me not to use the DAV3 Pro!
@@hausgaming I’m jealous lol. Hopefully zowie wireless has 4k but I’m not counting on it
here's me hoping for a DAV3 Mini, since I'm currently using the Pulsar Xlite V2 Mini at the moment
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Great video, very complete as usual.
The problem with logitech is their LOD, too low and picks up far too often, compared to all the other brands that offer us the ability to change LOD, logitech does nothing, yet they just have to add an option to be able to put this LOD at least 2 mm, lamzu has made an update to increase this time before putting the mouse to sleep, which will necessarily have an impact on battery life
if you want a higher LOD with logitech mice you can just stick something on the mouse feet so the sensor is raised slightly and then run the calibration tool. Or you could also just lift it up a bit. And I think you could also manually edit the config file and set the LOD value.
But yeah it'd be simpler if they just added a LOD slider to the software.
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Yeah I noticed the wireless ones didn't feel exactly the same as my wired Zowie mouse. Cable doesn't bother me anyway.
Not that I couldn't play or play well, but felt it was like a different sensor or yeah not 1:1 motion always, like stated.
Hey men, great Video! Did you test the Logitech Mice with the dongle cable-extender adapter, by any chance? (The adapter that get shipped with the mouse, where you plug in the dongle, then it's attached to the micro USB Cable). I saw many people claiming it will cut off the 2ms difference of wireless mice, because the dongle will be near the mouse, instead of attached to the PC.
I wonder if it might even increase lag, because the signal needs to pass trough the dongle-adapter and then trough the USB cable... would be interesting to see, if there will be a difference.
It's interesting to note that Roccat and Cooler Master also use Nordic MCUs for their wireless models. I doubt that either company has the firmware engineering experience to match that of Logitech or Razer.
The Kone Pro Air demonstrates pretty good performance according to you & pzogel/TechPowerUp, as long as you turn off the garish RGB zones.
Damn how am I just seeing this.
Goated video. It's honestly a pretty crazy world that razer leads the pack right now.
I haven't came off my v2 pro in awhile
Thanks for this video!
I was waiting for it after reading your Tweets!
Very informative :)
hehe i was here gandalf !!! 3000years ago when i talked about DPi between mice !!!
Yp haus nice video with a lot of useful infos !! Keep doing this kind of banger bro
Thank you bro! Very much appreciated
Just wanted to say I love the channel and love the reviews! Keep up the great work Sir.
You should do this tests with the Zowie and Vaxee Wireless mouses too!!!! I would love to see if this company’s professional gaming focused can stand from the others in this matter!
Awesome video as always!
I have reviews for both of those mice bro!
💪 love wired for sure. But love my X2, aria, and Lamzu. But if I'm gonna be serious and want no issues at all it's gonna be wired. I mean I don't play my games on wifi, only on Ethernet. So wired is always gonna be faster.
Great info as usual. Cheers Haus.
I love you voice Haus! Best peripheral reviewer on the internet
Is this maybe why Zowie is probably taking so long to release a wireless mouse?
Because they want it to be perfect?
I hope so, but I can't be certain!
Really amazing video, very impressive to see how Razer is best atm while logitech is close by, very interested on seeing the new logitech that its being hinted on social networks.
Great video Haus, very informative and well explained. Thanks a lot for creating this content for the community. So you recommend getting a 4khz Razer dongle even if I don't a razer wireless mice?
Haus its the mouse scientist we need.
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Very good video 👍, thanks for the information.
Thanks brother! 💖
Have you done any testing on different switch latency in the same mouse? (in mice that don't have optical switches, let's say the superlight). I'm interested to see if Omrons, Kailh, Huano, etc. have significantly different latency
I've never ran any tests, but if there is a difference, it will be negligible for sure!
very nice video haus , well explain and noob friendly :) , i see a lot of pro actualy switching to dav3 pro guess they know and test this lag free for us ^^
Thank you! Very much appreciated
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This is the video nobody knew they needed to watch until they clicked on it. Very informative and concise at the same time. 👍🏻
Been waiting for this vid. I was about to pull the trigger on the Pulsar X2 until I saw your tweets.
They've fixed the biggest problems with it already! So I would not worry about the performance, this video is mostly so you just understand where it stands!
@@hausgaming Thanks for always providing useful info on niche hobbies haus.
@@hausgaming can you please explain what you mean that they fixed the problems? What did they change for the X2?
@@Pablito5614 Just watch this video, there is a lot of information about the X2 and what was wrong / what the situation is now!
Really interesting video. I hope I can get the EC2-C with 4K pr wireless one day, hopefully at least the GPX gets 4K soon bec I'm really not a fan of the DAV3 and Viper shapes and coating. Also is the Lamzu suitable for a forward relaxed claw grip? some people say that it's very similar to the XM1 which felt pretty bad to me bec of it's width at the rear and that the shape almost forced me to place my pinky and ring finger in the middle curvature with a curled claw grip, feels too locked in and unnatural to move the mouse properly imo.
Thanks! I dislike the Lamzu/XM1 shape for relaxed claw indeed as well, EC2-C with 4KHz would be a dream
So I have definitely noticed the idle delay on some of these mice, but I have the X2 Mini wireless Rotobox edition from Pulsar, and that one does not seem to have the issue at all, and I do play Valorant. Maybe it's been addressed?
great video, it helps a lot and makes start to think to the people why pros really use just these big brands. It's a fact, however, I tested something very particular for me, I have dav3 gpx x2 mini ss prime mini and prime wireless, ss prime wireless with the latest ss firmware but with the software closed as very low motion delay and click latency (that is was average hight) compared to pulsar x2 and lamzu showed in your video. that was just a random fact that I was glad to say
just to say that maybe steelseries can in future be a good competitor again with logitech and razer, who knows
Have you tested the G502 wireless? and if so how does it compare? been thinking of going wireless but i love the extra buttons on the G502
Superb content Haus as usual! Fellas anyone knows if Razer Orochi V2 suffers from idle delay? Being budget and all. Also how can I measure the DPI deviation for my copy without installking LDAT or building a test machine like most reviewers?
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Haus can you please tell what gaming arm sleeves do u use/recommend? i am using razer strider rn & i put my whole arm on desk which causes my arm to stuck alot ! Tq for the amazing video Tho love this kinda content
Clear explanation. nice job
I was gonna get m2k zaunkonig, but now they discontinued it and next batch will be m3k. Hopefully the ultra low latencies- motion and click, stay elite
I've read that the 4k dongle is heavier on the CPU than 1k. Is this a fact? If so, lower end systems might not want to go that route.
You'd need to have a fairly old low-end system for your CPU to be so taxed that it would make a difference!
Your CPU has to read mouse data 4x more per second so of course. But it shouldn't be an issue on any modern CPU.
Great video Haus as always! Logi and Razer leading the tech again I see. I expect endgamegear, zowie, and vaxee will be really good with the wireless gear too and might be the reason they're taking so long to launch. They're probably trying to get the wireless implementation perfect.
Battlesense tested mouse latency and found that:
- Bluetooth is slow and prone to signal interferences
- USB is fastest (not sure about USB 2.0 vs 3)
- 2.4ghz is almost as fast as USB
- PS/2 port is the lowest which goes against popular belief
I’d like to see the latency of mouse switches: mechanical vs optical.
Thanks
I doubt the PS2 port is faster than high-speed USB. PS2 polling rate is 250hz iirc, and high-speed devices poll at 8000hz! Some 2.4ghz wireless devices are close to wired as is stated in this video!
@@hausgaming can you feel the difference when moving the crosshair in CSGO between 1000hz polling rate vs 4K on 240hz or 360hz monitors? A lot of CSGO pros are using deathadder v3 at 4K, interesting to see if the difference is noticeable. Thanks for the interesting finds! (And lol @ PS2 250hz).
@@WoolleyWoolf i can see the cursor motion being more consistent moving the mouse in windows(360hz) with the viper 8khz set to 4khz. blur busters made posts about it too.
Whether or not the delay is felt, IMO it is unacceptable on a top tier mouse. Glad I only use the GPX Superlight and DA V3 Pro.
I kinda agree, the main reason for me to do this is to try and force peripheral companies to get better!
Waus back at it
Looking at this video and my Deathadder V3 pro😁
bruh do you people realise that 8 ms is 0.008 sec... and fastest human reaction is like 150 ms...
Do you realise that your E2E latency is like 15ms (with the DAV3), so the delay of you clicking your mouse and the shot happening your screen is 15ms. With 8ms click latency it would be 23ms, which you can for sure feel very easily!
So are 3370 mice worse in terms of latency or are they still a viable option?
Zowie needs to hurry up with the wireless line up..cant fuckin wait!!
Did you get any data from testing on the MZ1 wireless, or know if the MCU has any issues? And if so, is plugging in the wireless mouse a way to get rid of these issues as well?
I have the mz1 and razer viper v2 pro. Mz1 has the better shape but V2 Pro is definitely snappier. I can feel it in game.
MZ1 Wireless is similar to performance with Lamzu Atlantis, which has its values reported in this video!
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Are you going to review the aqua control zero pad?
Can you test motion latency between a single mouse when it's wired vs wireless? I've been saying it for years, but it's just doesn't feel the same when I flick around. It's not that I can tell there's latency or anything, it's literally just that it feels different. It's been the same thing between a few high end PC's on both AMD and Intel so I don't believe it to be a system thing. My gut just tells me that motion latency/inaccuracy is more of an issue than click latency. That being said, I'm pretty sure if I started gaming on a good wireless mouse, then I'd be used to that and probably wouldn't be able to play with a wired mouse.
Also, what about testing the latency between high DPI and low DPI with the DAV3 at 4k Hz. According to Prosettings, Jame was playing 25.6k DPI at .03 in game sense at IEM Rio, and the only thing that makes sense for this config is to reduce motion latency.
3 weeks ago Jame was using 3200 cpi with the DAV3 at least: th-cam.com/video/xHSCFix09wY/w-d-xo.html . The difference with premium wireless mice in wired/wireless mode is negligible! You should not be able to tell the difference
@@hausgaming It's not that I can discern that there's delay or not. It's just that it feels different.
I'm thinking of the same if using my wireless mouse in wired mode is better?
nice video sir!
Thanks!
I bought the Lamzu Atlantis and now im lowkey a bit Sadge lmao. Even though the shape is more comfortable and i track/flick better on it idk how to feel.
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@@hausgaming NO, it is not! :)
the razer and logitech wireless mice are way too expensive for me. I'll just stick to paracorded cable mice. I rather have a cable then all the issues of the cheaper wireless mice
great high quality video
Thank you, very much appreciated!
Does the Software Hack for the Atlantis works If the Software is minimized ?
i keep noticing that only the superlight has that premium quality, i now have DAv3 and Viper v2 pro and its just not the same, specially the coating and overhaul feel in hand, weight distribution etc, had 3 superlights!
the coating on the dav3 wireless isnt the best, but the faker edition and wired has good coating
@@phreakisop9810 just got a Glorious, its amazing and cheaper.
what is the better mouse for pincher claw razer viper v2 pr or g pro x superlight
Anyone have an issue where clicking on the gpx causes the whole mouse to reverberate?
How do you test motion latency? Very curious.
Hey Haus, I trust your test but I was just wondering how optimum tech reveals some wireless mice are faster if not the same as some wired mice?
You need to understand what is tested! As I show in my tests, some wireless mice have lower click latency than wired ones :)
the DAV3 FTW..... damn you're selling me lol
Hi man, I love your videos. Can I ask an advise?
What should I buy.. the gpx or razer viper v2 pro or deathadder v3 pro or lamzu atlantis? My hand size is 19x10cm and my grip style is palm and relaxsed claw. And I am playing siege a lot. Thanks in advance.
All of those mice are great, DAV3 Pro, Viper and GPX are very good for relaxed grips. I don't for such grip myself!
@@hausgaming What about Lamzu. What are you suggesting to me, I m have to wait XM2w or should aı buy Lamzu. Because I tried GPX and the shape did not fit for me because the back side was little bit too wide for me and I prefer the hump close to back not middle.
@@hausgaming I bought Razer Deathadder V3 Pro. Is the Razer Deathadder V3 Pro’s dongle cable compatible with usb 3.0?
Hello Haus ! You have mentioned the HTS+ 4K, but how does the HTS+ classic perform when it comes to idle delay and click latency compared to the superior alternative ? Does it have the same issues as other wireless mice like the x2 ?
Classic performs much worse than the HTS+ 4K, it has a similar performance to the X2!
@@hausgaming ouch, is that on the latest firmware ?
Been waiting months for 4khz and it's still out of stock
The Vipers shape is just so bad though, the hump is placed in a spot that it's absolutely unusable for me. I wish it wasnt
Shape is extremely subjective! But yes the flat profile of the Viper is definitely a no go for some!
is this fixed by pulsar's auto sleep setting?
The only place this matters is on multiplayer. However, everybody seems to forget the polling rate of the game server. If you're incredibly lucky, you'll have a 60 Hz server, but most of them are 30 Hertz, translated, that's 17ms to a whopping 33ms. Worse that's taken into account a stable connection with no ping fluctuation whatsoever. In reality, you're lucky to see 50 ms best case scenario.
Further, most people aren't waiting five or 10 seconds without touching their mouse and moving it around. Unless they're in the bathroom or on a cell phone call and they're going to get timed out and booted anyway for inactivity.
Awesome video.
Thanks brother!
Bro haus pls answer, what main ur using or ur favorite mousepad ? Thx
Favorite mousepad most likely LGG Saturn/Venus Pro!
I have the xlite V2 mini and i can feel that supposed 1ms delay using it wireless vs wired.
Especially when I flick from one target to another in koovaks and Apex legends. It only noticeable in motion delay, click latency can't tell any difference.
Placebo.
Pro you are from hight level how i can ‘t see your video before ❤
So if I understand correctly, by the time the M8 releases there should be a firmware for every CompX mcu that fixes all of these idle delay issues for Aria, Atlantis etc? Or is it only Xtrfy that has managed to fix it?
Xtrfy has a firmware engineer or subcontracts some other company to write their firmware, so it does not necessarily mean all the rest will have it fixed as well. Xtry mice so much on-board customization that they basically are forced to have a firmware engineer. BUT, I would say a fix will be here sooner rather than later!
@@hausgaming Well at least its good to hear its fixable. I don't recall the 3370 having these issues. Its kinda weird that the newer sensor is suffering from latency issues. Makes you think why you would bother buying the newer sensor then lol. 🙏
@@IamNiceEMS the compx 3370 mice show the same behavior
Haus what’s your main mouse/favourite one these days?
DAV3 Pro most likely bro!
Random question, but does in game sens affect the game engines frame rendering latency?
Is there a way to test this?
It does not, CPI affects the latency, but the differences are very minor. 1600 CPI is the one I'd recommend everyone to use though, but it doesn't make a big difference.
@@hausgaming I'm not referring to the mouse latency,
I mean like the games actual drawing of frames based off calculating reference point.
I.e. does 1.0 sens go through processor faster than applying 1.73 sens of change to each frame.
From my understanding in the source engine, the shots are actually related to the rendering of frames or something, and i feel like in apex the game feels alot better at 1.0 in game sense.
I hope that explains what I'm wondering better, of course this is probably an advanced question for a game engineer
I can’t find the 4k dongle in stock neither the discount code 😢
Yeh sadly the dongle is often out of stock even still
The DAv3 looks good but I'm not paying €160,- for a fucking mouse man I draw the line at the 120 I paid for my GPX, and even the thought I paid that much for a mouse makes me feel stupid
2ms doesnt make much of a difference? Bro, I refuse to believe anyone can even notice 10ms, let alone 2ms.
Haus do you have 4k mode on at all time or just when gaming only?
I'm lazy, so 4K mode all the time. I use it actually on my work PC for charging though.
@@hausgaming thanks for your response. Im switching all the time but I’m kinda getting tired of it so I’ve been leaving 4k on at all time for the past few days 😂
is there 18 milisecond diffrence too in m2we endgame
Nope!
finally got my 4k razer dongle ;)
4:49 sorry, I don't understand the mouse next to Logitech g pro.
G-Wolves Hati S Plus 4K
Superlight vs ec2
Nah shape is king
no my mouse isnt lag free i have a lot of system latency and depends on the game but i feel and see how long it takes to render a mouse movement when im at low framerates
It could be down to your system as well! Many components in the E2E latency chain!
Hey man, how is everything with you?
Hey Mike! I'm doing fine thanks, been busy with work! how about you?
Average firmware engineer part was ☠
How you play like that deathmatch ?
What do you mean bro?
So is the 4000hz dongle good?
Did you watch the video? You should come to your own conclusion from the data provided!
Corsair wireless mice are lag free even better than Logitech and Razer
Not at all true
@@hausgaming
test Sabre pro Wireless.
i did the test its faster than G Pro X and Deathadder v2 Pro
@@takh6806 Check here: www.techpowerup.com/review/corsair-sabre-rgb-pro-wireless/5.html . It would end up being slightly worse than GPX and nowhere near DAV3/V2Pro at 4K
Zowie is King! I don't care what anyone says 😘
Going from Model O Wireless to DAV3 (1khz) back to back in the shooting range in COD the difference is noticeable. Less latency is ALWAYS better, even just a few MS you can feel our human body is very perceptive to unnatural motion and of course a mouse and PC are a very unnatural thing for the human brain. Any additional input lag will be picked up on. If you continuously go back and forth between the mice you will go from over-shooting your targets on MOW to under-shooting targets on the DAV3 at the same DPI. It is hard to stop on a pinpoint spot with more latency. It's that simple. The same goes for Pulsar X2 it's a bit better than the MOW but still noticeably worse than the DAV3. I have even considered going back to Wired mice because of all the nonsense with these wireless mice.... you pay a huge premium to cut the cord and in the end get a worse performing product which requires charging daily at 4khz.
DAV3 Pro for example performs much better than most wired mice do these days, but yes you do pay a huge premium. Less latency is always better, but you will not notice a 1ms difference in click latency for example.
@@hausgaming Totally agree. That's why I "downgraded" to GPX from DAV3 and it was totally worth it. I absolutely love this mouse and my mouse hunt stopped immediately when I got it.
❤ Best reciewer
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wired mouse users: 🗿
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So is motion sync worth having on? Is it worth a ~1ms difference?
Part of me is so happy mice are so good we're worried about tiny thing like this, but the other part of me does wonder if I'm playing "optimally"
You will not notice the 1ms penalty, but you will not notice Motion Sync being ON in-game either. I flipped a coin and ended up using motion sync off with the 3395 mice for now!
@@hausgaming Is this still the case, I heard somewhere the software update fixed it or is ms still not worth using on the x2?