I can confirm it's definitely more powerful. Comparing Bayonetta 2 on Wii u to the switch version, the switch version doesn't have the framerate drops that the Wii u version did, and the graphics look better. The switch version of the first Bayonetta game also runs better than either the PS3 or Xbox 360 versions. Honestly that's all the proof I need...... Games run better.
At this point it should be obvious that the switch is more powerful than the 360 and ps3. Either these people are naive or they want the switch to be on par with the old consoles just for the satisfaction of making fun of it!
Talal Who the hell said I was proud of it? I was one of the people who didn't want nintendo to go with the X1 chip and maxwell. If nintendo went with something better; people would be bitching about the price (they bitched at 300 lol)
Rodox2k10 they is the biggest games review channel on TH-cam. So a coarse the publishers gonna pay ign to get better reviews of their games. But it’s the people fault to believe ign’s reviews. Reviews are opinions.
@Digitalbumpin thats the case with all knowledge smart guy. There's probably not a single piece of known information that exists that one can't find on the internet. Name any fact about any public information and you will be able to find something about it on the internet.
Sadly we live in an age where people look at paper specs and decide power purely off of those. Heaven forbid we spend more than 5 minutes researching things anymore.
@@ancientshiv9837 Lol I read an old forum thread the other day where a bunch of people were adamant that the PSP must be more powerful than the PS2 purely because it is newer, actually claiming that it being a probable didn't matter when people pointed that out, citing "newer technology".
Silver Snake well tbh it's a handheld. But yes, ideally it should still be more powerful as technology has developed enough to have that power and more in a small form factor.
Silver Snake I like how you look at the launch dates, yet ignore that: 1. Switch is FAR smaller than the 360 in terms of size 2. It's also much lighter 3. It also uses lesser power draw That itself is very impressive. Like SpawnWave said, don't just look at the numbers, there's more than what meets the eye :P
The PS3 also had an additional link between the two pools of ram that I think ran at about 20 GB/s, this is how some developers could utilize some ram from either pool for some applications. In the end it just made the PS3 that much more complicated and was never fully utilized outside of inhouse games.
Is this even a debate? The Wii U was slightly more powerful than the 360 and PS3, and it's been proven that the Switch is far more powerful than the Wii U.
Wii U actually had a worse CPU than PS3/Xbox360. But in the graphics department, Wii U was much better. Though I don't think the Switch is far more powerful than Wii U Zelda BOTW on Wii U run at the same graphical settings as the Switch undocked and when docked only difference was 720p ve 900p on the Switch. I guess you can argue that Zelda BOTW don't take full advantage of the Switch since it was a port but you can also argue that the Switch is easy to port games to and Nintendo would have optimized the hell out of Zelda since it was their launch title.
Lazy Otaku that 30% is also completely relative to maximum performance.. not just theoretical performance. It's my belief.. and really more so proof of the industry that a well made nvidia card will always perform better on a maximum performance than the theoretical yields of amd equivalent cards. Case and point a vega gpu from amd rates at 12 tflops theoretical performance yet a gtx 1080 at only 8 tflops still compared and even outperforms the vega in many games. That's a 66% difference in strength and yet the x1 only sits at 36% power difference from the switch docked. Now there definitely other factors that never quite meet exact standards here but just rather proof that well optimized hardware and software>theoretical performance #s
Cutter Elf That is a very dumb comparison to make. Comparing a port and saying this is the full potential of the Switch. Seriously that game was developed on Wii U architecture for 4 years and then quickly ported over to the Switch ARM architecture in a couple of months for a launch game. Flag ship smartphones blow the Wii U away interns of power so don’t act like it’s impossible. Anyone that uses a launch game let alone a port to justify a consoles Power is a complete utter moron. Look at the first games that came to the Xbox 360 they looked worse than late PS2 games. The Xbox One and PS4 launch games barely looked better than their last generation counterparts.
This type of in depth analysis is excellent, really excellent. I mean I like this channel already for the general games commentary and reviews but this type of tech analysis on top (similar in some ways to Digital Foundry style) is a welcome addition. Brilliant work man!
About the Switch's performance: on the CPU side of things the Tegra X1 CPU is around 10% faster than the AMD Jaguar on both the PS4 and Xbox One. On the GPU side of things, the Nintendo Switch is considerably weaker than the Xbox One - about 30% when docked. Over 50% when portable. There. Even if weaker than the base model Xbox One, the Switch is still a LOT faster than the Xbox 360.
Wrong. The dock allows the Switch to draw more power and up its internal clock considerably since it doesn't need to run on its internal batteries once it's docked.
OtavioFesoares The dock for the Switch is just a HDMI output converter. The Switch could output 1080p in portable mode if Nintendo had added a 1080p screen. The Switch is nowhere near the Xbox One.
OtavioFesoares Wtf , no dude , the Dock it's just plástic , i open up the Dock in the house of my uncle , it did have nothing , just the HDMI imputado and the USB port , wrong for you
PSN Down no I think what Octavio is tryi ng to say is that the Switch's dock allows it's internals to run off of an outlet instead of an internal battery. By drawing more wattage the Switch's internals can run faster and perform better. He is right in that respect. As for the CPU/ GPU comparisons idk even if the Switch's CPU was more efficient it runs at a much lower clock speed
avaman1993 kinda ridiculous but I guess that's where we at with these fucking video game reviewers and "techies". Spawnwave 4 lyf! Mass media is bullshit and I didn't even vote for Trumpy Dumpy so don't be calling me bullshit ass names cause I'm Mexican. Truth as it is, mass media is a fucking lie.
Haha, no. Spawnwave did an admirable job researching this vid, but Digital Foundry definitely know their stuff better. Spawnwave misinterpreted the bit about the Cell processor's 8th SPE being disabled to improve chip yield and spouted off some nonsense about it being some kind of live failsafe/backup instead. Who knows what other information he might be misinterpreting here?
@@YayWalterSullivan I don't think spawn wave misinterpreted that bit about the 8th SPE himself, I think he probably received the info that way, because wherever I read about it previously before this video was published explained it in almost the same way as he did, though not as a live failsafe thing but if one is permanently damaged.
The proof is in the pudding. Look at Mario Kart 8 jumping from 720p to 1080p, or Zelda BotW jumping from 720p to 900p. Look at NBA 2k18 being comparable to PS4 version, or FIFA 18 not only looking better than 360/PS3, but running 1080p/60fps. Even in portable mode it outclasses last gen. There's 4X as much RAM and a modern architecture. Skyrim looks comparable to current gen Remastered version, and it's running freaking DOOM and Wolfenstein 2. Why is this even a debate...
If the majority of people really gave a shit about a port of a game looking slightly worse, then the PS2 wouldn't have been anywhere near as successful as it was as many of it's ports look shitty compared to the original Xbox/Gamecube versions
the switch is about as powerful as the PC i had back in 2008. and that was fairly more potent than a xbox 360, enough to run most of the consoles game at 1080p @ 60fps with similar graphics settings vs 720p 30fps.
the switch looks shitty on 4k tvs. that is a fact. I would have to go buy an old 1080p led tv to enjoy it. And the first gen ps3 had that amazing processor. not many used it to its true potential. I will just stick to my ps4. it looks way better than the switch on 4k. plus, fuck you Nintendo for giving up on the Wii u after so many people invested so much money and had very few games to play. I won't trust Nintendo ever again. And when you face facts, the switch is still not next generation.
The SWITCH on portable mode is actually slightly more powerful than you said, as Nvidea gave it a 25% boost just 3 days after it launched. Also, as Nvidea said before, if Nintendo wants it, the docked speed can be increased, with no over heating problems.
I love my Switch, I don't care about specs like your typical hardcore gamer. All I know is in less than 2 weeks I'm going to be playing Fire Emblem Warriors then shortly after that Super Mario Odyssey and then shortly after that Xenoblade Chronicles 2.
Made In Heaven .. yep and we can play them anywhere. I'm getting fed up with all this power talk. I just want games on my switch. It's powerful enough for good looking games. And despite what some say lol allot better than last gen.
Couldn't agree with you more, ive had my switch for 6 months and loving it. Mario odyssey, kart and splatoon 2 are amazing games and zbotw is quite possibly my favourite game on my favourite system since the dreamcast. Its an amazing system with decent enough graphics and the magic touch... Nintendo. Gamers forget its about games not grunt
Yup I can see 2 years. But I only see it having an incremental upgrade. We may not see a jump like the DS to 3ds or psp to vita for the next 4 to 6 years. By that time they can create a much more powerful switch that can probably output better performance than the PS4.
ZetaGammaFigma i used to like The Know until all their video titles started becoming clickbait.. however there's a silver lining in it, because now I'm watching SpawnWave for my news c:
If you take the factory specs from the X1, sure. But its not when you realize the X1 implementation Nintendo have gone for (for power and heat reasons) is clocked significantly slower than the vanilla specs state. Even less so when its not docked. Its the most logical thing they could have done, but it also reduced performance more than a little.
I always thought of Switch as 1.2× horsepower when docked, turns out I was way off. Nintendo did something real balls by making such a powerful hybrid.
Great job Spawn Wave! As a gamedev I think people (consumers and press) generally give the switch a unnecessary hard time. One thing worth mentioning is that the PS4 only have 4GB of memory available for developers. The XO has 5GB left. With the generally lower resolutions and framebuffer sizes of the switch, this difference makes memory difference abysmal. I am comfortably making a multi-platform game, and the Tegra X1 is definitely a joy to work with.
As far as I'm concerned, the line between home console and handheld gaming has already been erased. I have a PS4 and a 3DS but my Nintendo Switch is pretty much the only console I play these days. It's just so convenient and there's so many good games that have already come out with more on the way.
Actually, I have a PC too, with tons of Steam games. I didn't mention it, though, because the subject is home consoles and handhelds. I probably play PC games the most. That's mostly due to Steam's many glorious sales. Also, there are some nice PC exclusives and, to be honest, I'm on my PC most of the time so it's just convenient to start up a game any time I want.
The best thing about the switch is that we are play GAMES and not movies. We play games to have fun, for about 15 years all we got were games that were flavourless and with no soul. It was all about graphics Vs fun gameplay. The switch is bringing back the fun in games and all I can say is thank you nintendo
Kai Draconus are you saying that from the last 15 years, there is no any good game? Loooooool, There are Tons of great gamesfor ps2/ps3/360, lol what is good for you splatoon ? Animal crossing? hahahahahaha 10 years old fanboy kid
The Wii U was more powerful than the PS3 and 360. MK8 runs at 1080p solid 60fps on Switch, 720p 59fps on Wii U. This argument that "The Switch is underpowered" needs to stop. It's running fricking Doom.
My point is, the Switch is vastly more powerful than the Wii U, yet still underpowered compared to the XB1 and PS4. It's like 5 or 6 times the power of the 360 and PS3. Those consoles came out over 10 years ago. Nintendo is not that cheap.
True, buy PlayerEssence is the definition of a Nintendo fanboy. Dude couldn't even bring himself to criticise & potentially improve the Wii U over the course of its life.
Jeeses99 who the fuck told you that? The switch is far weaker than the ps4 and Xbox one gtfo of here with your lies. The switch is a great console but it doesn’t come with its shortcomings anyone saying otherwise is delusional
As a game developer I have to say, the Nintendo Switch is nothing like the X360 or PS3. Switch also has the ability to transfer two low-precision FP16 instruction per GPU core. (which even the XO and PS4 doesn't have) Theoretically this actually increase the GFLOPS operations to 768GFLOPS if using FP16 only. This claim is of course a bit far fetched and does not represent reality, because sometimes you want the precision of FP32 operations. However, what developers can do is to use certain parts of the rendering with lower precision, SSAO, anti-alaising, transparencies etc. It doesn't impact image quality that much but reduces the computational load. Together with the increased Raster Operations per clock and increase in memory and memory bandwidth we are looking at a far superior system to last gen.I think the games tell everything. Sure, they are cut back from the 180W PS4 or 120W XBOX One, but in the end, these games would never even run on the X360. Look at an Unreal game like Snake Pass, that doesn't even run on 1080p on PS4 (rather 868p), it's a complex, simulation-heavy game, and the Switch manages to run it at about the same performance levels at 648p. Sure some effects are cut back and rendered with less precision, but in the end... it's the same game. C'mon, look at Doom, that game would be impossible to run on a X360, and after the patches it runs beautifully in much higher resolution (still dynamic 720p though) and steadier frame rate.
@@basil7ksa that's not fair that the ps4 xb1 that have far better graphics and better performance than the switch all because the xbox one ps4 came out 4 years than the switch I'm jealous that a console that is 4 years older than the switch has great graphics
Rewatched this for fun since it popped up in my feed. Not sure if you'll see this but I must say that after watching news wave since it was started and seeing Evan's more recent reviews it feels like he had a solid contribution to the script here. Some portions have his style written all over it (no pun intended). You guys make an awesome team and I want to extend my thanks for all the high quality content!
The Wii U is stronger than the PS3 and the Switch is stronger than the Wii U. How can anyone think the Switch is weaker than the PS3? It is very obvious it is stronger by just looking at the games on it.
@@xXSonTJXxx We are already seeing the trouble the weeker consoles are doing there cpu are weeker then last gen consoles why you think they just added more ram and boosted the ghz of the cpu. Its shit we have to buy the same thing just an added 1 gb ram and boosted ghz
To simplify this, the Tegra X1 in the Switch can reach up to 512GFLOPS but since it's overclocked it's about over 300 in portable and maybe 400 while docked
Hence why a lot of games from the 7th gen consoles were upscaled even to 720p when looking at the RAM situation. If you look up lists of games that ran at the native resolutions (whether it be 720p or 1080p), a lot of games could not even hit those resolutions and the systems had to upscale the games.
Late comment but.... The PS3 had more 1080p titles than the 360 which was a miracle as during the beginning. The system was showing itself to be too complicated, but later on you could see the difference between 360 and ps3 titles being more even or the ps3 looking nicer.
Kuma Wilson is correct... GT 1030 has a spec of 900+ Gflops compared to the Switch's ~400. The GT-10 series uses Pascal, a generation newer than Maxwell. GT 1030 also draws twice the power of an entire Switch, so it's not like the Switch is underperforming, it just has less silicon and electricity to work with.
The Switch graphics are still great considering the size comparison to ps4 and X1. And keep in mind theres a fricken screen built into it. My mind is blown. Yet the best part about the Switch is its amazing IP's that you cant play on any other device.
It's actually kind of sad that you can't play any of these games on a device that's any better than the Switch. I have an LG G7 ThinQ, utilizing a Snapdragon 845 SoC and 4 GB LPDDR4. That's 8 CPU cores vs. the 4 that the Switch can use, and 512 GPU cores vs the Switch's 256. Much higher clock speeds, smaller transistor process. It kinda slays. I would love to play Switch games on this thing.
@@mrmaniac3 It's amazing how powerful smartphones have become. Grid Autosport for Android/iOS is literally the same game as the one released for PC and consoles back in 2014, but with graphics and performance surpassing that of the PS3 and XBox 360. It's sad how all this potential is wasted on horrible f2p shovelware horse manure.
Liked the dramatic moment there (makes it a little fun and less straight up serious/tech talk). The illustrations and arrows are also quite helpful, keep up the good vids
How much extra performance comes out of the half point precision capabilities of the Switch? (fp16) For instance, would we have a noticeable visual boost from those games that don’t use it to the games that do? Thanks for making this video!
As a PC gamer (who also owns all of the consoles covered in this video), I can vouch for this video making sense. Pure power does not equal performance. For example, look at AMD's Vega 64 GPU with over 13TFLOPs vs Nvidia's 1080ti with under 12TFLOPs. The 1080ti outperforms the Vega, despite having less raw power. It's not how much power you have, but how well you use it. Same goes for clockspeeds. Compare CPUs with same clockspeeds today vs years ago.
I had a 360 before a gaming PC. Unlike most, I don't really care which platform games come out on. I'm not biased, I don't fanboy for any particular platform. Sure PC is more capable than the consoles, but the consoles have their exclusives. And emulation on PC takes years to develop. Also, the analogies I provided are more familiar to PC gamers. Even on PC, the same rules apply. Power alone won't provide performance.
I moved on from the Xbox 360 and Xbox One to the Nintendo Switch in 2017. - The Defend Against The Following Three Years to 2016 by Ivangard C. Revita (born on November 16, 1996), Concluded in watching another feature film called The Lion King (2019) in the movie theater premiere (especially IMAX theater) -
If you think that the Switch is just the same as the 360... play through Blighttown on the 360 version of Dark Souls then the switch version of Blighttown then come back to me
You can argue the specs all day long but Nintendo's strength has always been their games. I have a Switch and love it. To me this is their best system since the N64.
@@Deanspall_ lol imagine being that dumb to to thing that's how porting games works plus news shock remastered has way higher system requirements then GtaV
Love how one freelancer for IGN trumps all the tech people and Digital Foundry who have said the Switch outperforms the 360 and PS3 in handheld and especially in dock. Can you say confirmation bias? And the best comparison is probably FAST RMX and FAST Racing Neo. The former is notably improved over the latter. Vastly superior image quality, much improved post processing, significantly better lighting solution, added effects on seceral tracks and vehicles, new tracks with greater polygonal complexity than older ones.
could be, I just know IGN's audience isn't the best, nor have they had a good track record for journalism. Alot of what they do kinda just implies they're feeding confirmation bias as you said.
Proto Craft Well again, IGN is a sprawling organization all things considered. More people=more opinions=less unified perspective on things. That's how you wind up with the Nintendo Voice Chat and an article titled "The PS Vita is set to Succeed" tied to the same site. So yeah, people go there to feed their own bias, but that's nothing new. IGN just so happens to be so large that you can find food for any lerspective within its writing.
The fact that there is even a comparison between the current gen and last gen shows Nintendo gave up trying to be an equally powerful console. They stopped trying to be in the front line and went with gimmicks and features to sell consoles. Not saying it's wrong or right. The switch was the first system since gamecube that was even comparable
Ehh... not in all areas, the CPU was half a generation behind the Cell and Xenon (especially Cell) with the clock speed being ~2GHz less and the architecture being the same as or slightly superior to the GameCube and Wii's CPU, the RAM was DDR3 but the memory bandwidth is half of the 360's, However, the GPU and RAM amount was way ahead.
It's really stupid to think that the Switch is less powerful than a Wii U. Think about it. A Wii U is more powerful than a 360 and a PS3. For any technology company to come out with a weaker successor is just plain stupid and for anyone to think that that will ever happen is even stupider.
Walther Penne the switch actually doesn't overheat much look up "let's overheat the switch" and you'll see that the only real danger of it overheating is with it on its back, in carpet, hooked up to a portable dock and playing something that takes up a whole lot more power than breath of the wild (I think the video might be on this channel but I'm not sure) also being different from another console doesn't make it not a console. That's like saying ps4 isn't a console because it's different from ps3 or any Xbox console
quit being dumb you fuck. my 1997 ran quake 2 at 110 fps. that's clearly more frames than the wiiu so does it mean my pentium mmx 233mhz with a voodoo2 is more powerful than a switch? ggez.
I subscribed to your channel because of the in-depth coverage of this topic. I will re-watch this video just to let the information seep in more. Thank you for this video!
Isn't Wii U's actually half of 352 GFLOPS.. 176? But its a much more newer and efficient GPU than 360's and is a bit more powerful, so GFLOPs don't tell the whole story
Of course it's going to be more powerful. The PS3 and Xbox360 are from 12 years ago. And to be honest, I'm kind of disappointed that the Switch wasn't that much more powerful.
░KenLinx░ It's actually around 4x more powerful (when docked). Having a GPU architecture that's 10 years newer, and 8x the RAM to boot helps massively.
supersbbrawl4ever 4x isn't a lot for 12 years. The Switch is 4 years ahead of the PS4 and Xbox One, yet it's less powerful. In a 10 year period from the 90s, we went from basic 2D sprites to full fledged 3D models.
It could be much more powerful. Remember that the tegra X1 is essentially late 2014 tech (released in January 2015). The Tegra X2 from 2016 is double as fast with the same power consumption.
Explain me how it isn't ready ? There just isn't a reason for companies to buy this things for mobile use. NVIDIA decided to still use the old A57 Cores instead the new A72 ones to guarantee compatibility for usage in cars (basically the only ones except google that bought the X1) and the competition offers more energy efficient alternatives like Furian and Bifröst. Thats why we don't see tablets with this SoC (and that Apple currently dominates the high end ARM tablet market). The X1 failed at its targeted audience due to its way to high power consumption (it was still using Planar Bulk notes). Apples A9X was just much better (better CPU and similar GPU performance paired with much lower power consumption).
It's really unfortunate that you had to correct some misinformation being spread by a large journalist site that is supposedly focused on video games. Even if it is a freelancer and not necessarily their own employees, it's disheartening none the less.
Hey! Great Video. Love your work and definitely a big fan. Next time could you put up a side by side graph / slide, comparing numbers, facts and figures of all the systems as apposed to showing them one page at a time. Thanks! Looking forward to next upload.
A very detailed Informative video with great presentation and music. I already knew about the inner workings of past and present consoles but not to the depth found here. SpawnWave is a Triple A youtuber in the making.
COOLMCDEN 219 the only way it could run GTA 5 if it's downgraded to hell. It would end up looking like the San Andreas remaster after they're finished.
One of the main reasons why the switch version of third parties don't look as good as it's counterparts is the heavy compression of games due to current cart size limitations. Once Nintendo drop those bigger cart sizes you can expect multiplats that require the extra space to look much better.
I missed those tech explanation videos, thank you! Maybe it'd be interesting to see a video of how the Switch revision would benefit from a possible X2, with GPU based on the Pascal architecture.
Bruno Panzero Schechter X2 wouldn't be THAT huge of an upgrade aside from memory bandwidth. If there is a Switch revision in 3 years, Nintendo shouldn't use anything older than Volta if they want to at least double the performance of the base Switch.
I can confirm it's definitely more powerful. Comparing Bayonetta 2 on Wii u to the switch version, the switch version doesn't have the framerate drops that the Wii u version did, and the graphics look better. The switch version of the first Bayonetta game also runs better than either the PS3 or Xbox 360 versions. Honestly that's all the proof I need...... Games run better.
@[GD] Annoe learn to read
Switch isn't event that much better than Wii U, but exceeds it cuz it don't have to share processing power with the tablet.
Oh man. The Industry Insider joke got me. You should do more little humour bits like that, I love ‘em.
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I had to play that part over and over again. lmao
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U too can be anybody you wish to be when making videos online?
At this point it should be obvious that the switch is more powerful than the 360 and ps3. Either these people are naive or they want the switch to be on par with the old consoles just for the satisfaction of making fun of it!
As always haters gonna hate. I think that describes their desperation presicely
dajam9035 FYI, Ps3 and 360 are more than a decade old techs, being slightly more powerful is nothing to proud of
Talal Who the hell said I was proud of it? I was one of the people who didn't want nintendo to go with the X1 chip and maxwell. If nintendo went with something better; people would be bitching about the price (they bitched at 300 lol)
Talal It is, playing games between Xbox One and Wii U levels of power is AMAZING for a handheld.
Some of the best games i have played were on PS2 and 3 not on PS4 and X-Box one.... sorry what's that about power?
Awesome! Very informative! Liked!
JesseAndMike wtf you have 2m subs? 0.0
OJC B shhh dont tell anyone. He can hide here from fans
JesseAndMike Holy shit, a channel with 2.5m subs under a Spawn Wave's video? That's new!
milkman370 I’ve seen them on gun videos
Hey Jesse and mike!!!!!
Someone tweet this at IGN
Do not even bother tweeting this. There's just too much technical information than those IGNorants could ever handle.
Rodox2k10 lol you really think they ignorant? It’s there fan base that is
Do you really think they aren't? Also, I don't care about their 'fan base' (so to speak).
Rodox2k10 they is the biggest games review channel on TH-cam. So a coarse the publishers gonna pay ign to get better reviews of their games. But it’s the people fault to believe ign’s reviews. Reviews are opinions.
Get Good Gaming #IGNISSHIT
Spawn wave laying down the law on how to do technical explanations
Aiden Quinn indeed
Aiden Quinn reason why I subbed. Spawnwave knows his shit
Digitalbumpin *hugs* from the internets - don't worry, be happy! 😆
@Digitalbumpin thats the case with all knowledge smart guy. There's probably not a single piece of known information that exists that one can't find on the internet.
Name any fact about any public information and you will be able to find something about it on the internet.
@Artorias Of The Abyss don't feed the troll
Sadly, that twitter bio edit skit is way too real in some cases.
Sadly we live in an age where people look at paper specs and decide power purely off of those. Heaven forbid we spend more than 5 minutes researching things anymore.
Honestly, we've been living in that age since the 1990s. Remember the "Console Wars" and "Bit Wars" between the Sega Genesis and the SNES, etc?
Fortunately, I'm such a gamer, that I really don't care about that kind of shit. I just wanna play games. The NES taught me not to care about specs.
People also don't take into account that the switch is also a portable.
@@ancientshiv9837 Lol I read an old forum thread the other day where a bunch of people were adamant that the PSP must be more powerful than the PS2 purely because it is newer, actually claiming that it being a probable didn't matter when people pointed that out, citing "newer technology".
@@esmooth919 Yeah people are just like that. Sort of similar though not exactly the same as judging a racing car purely on engine power.
But...
Is it stronger than the ouya?
Just A Memer dude stfu the ps2 is more powerful than an ouya
Just A Memer solid snake
My watch is stronger than the Ouya.
Aram Reich whatchu mean, the ouya is the strongest console out there, it can play nier automata at 4k 60 fps
my fridge is stronger than ouya
People have been insisting this since the Switch was announced.
"But mah Giga-flerps!!!"
Silver Snake well tbh it's a handheld. But yes, ideally it should still be more powerful as technology has developed enough to have that power and more in a small form factor.
Well yeah... everyone knows it, but the stupid "console wars" make it so that we have to factually lay out the obvious in this regard.
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I don't care to count to "enjoy it at 25 FPS in 420 P" comments"
Silver Snake I like how you look at the launch dates, yet ignore that:
1. Switch is FAR smaller than the 360 in terms of size
2. It's also much lighter
3. It also uses lesser power draw
That itself is very impressive. Like SpawnWave said, don't just look at the numbers, there's more than what meets the eye :P
The PS3 also had an additional link between the two pools of ram that I think ran at about 20 GB/s, this is how some developers could utilize some ram from either pool for some applications. In the end it just made the PS3 that much more complicated and was never fully utilized outside of inhouse games.
Is this even a debate? The Wii U was slightly more powerful than the 360 and PS3, and it's been proven that the Switch is far more powerful than the Wii U.
Wii U actually had a worse CPU than PS3/Xbox360. But in the graphics department, Wii U was much better. Though I don't think the Switch is far more powerful than Wii U Zelda BOTW on Wii U run at the same graphical settings as the Switch undocked and when docked only difference was 720p ve 900p on the Switch. I guess you can argue that Zelda BOTW don't take full advantage of the Switch since it was a port but you can also argue that the Switch is easy to port games to and Nintendo would have optimized the hell out of Zelda since it was their launch title.
Lazy Otaku that 30% is also completely relative to maximum performance.. not just theoretical performance. It's my belief.. and really more so proof of the industry that a well made nvidia card will always perform better on a maximum performance than the theoretical yields of amd equivalent cards. Case and point a vega gpu from amd rates at 12 tflops theoretical performance yet a gtx 1080 at only 8 tflops still compared and even outperforms the vega in many games. That's a 66% difference in strength and yet the x1 only sits at 36% power difference from the switch docked. Now there definitely other factors that never quite meet exact standards here but just rather proof that well optimized hardware and software>theoretical performance #s
Nuff said bro!
Cutter Elf itd be dumb for Nintendo to create two different experiences on each console.
Cutter Elf That is a very dumb comparison to make. Comparing a port and saying this is the full potential of the Switch. Seriously that game was developed on Wii U architecture for 4 years and then quickly ported over to the Switch ARM architecture in a couple of months for a launch game. Flag ship smartphones blow the Wii U away interns of power so don’t act like it’s impossible. Anyone that uses a launch game let alone a port to justify a consoles Power is a complete utter moron. Look at the first games that came to the Xbox 360 they looked worse than late PS2 games. The Xbox One and PS4 launch games barely looked better than their last generation counterparts.
This type of in depth analysis is excellent, really excellent. I mean I like this channel already for the general games commentary and reviews but this type of tech analysis on top (similar in some ways to Digital Foundry style) is a welcome addition. Brilliant work man!
About the Switch's performance: on the CPU side of things the Tegra X1 CPU is around 10% faster than the AMD Jaguar on both the PS4 and Xbox One.
On the GPU side of things, the Nintendo Switch is considerably weaker than the Xbox One - about 30% when docked. Over 50% when portable.
There. Even if weaker than the base model Xbox One, the Switch is still a LOT faster than the Xbox 360.
OtavioFesoares
The Dock doesn't increase the power , the Dock just send the signal to the TV.
Wrong. The dock allows the Switch to draw more power and up its internal clock considerably since it doesn't need to run on its internal batteries once it's docked.
OtavioFesoares
The dock for the Switch is just a HDMI output converter. The Switch could output 1080p in portable mode if Nintendo had added a 1080p screen.
The Switch is nowhere near the Xbox One.
OtavioFesoares
Wtf , no dude , the Dock it's just plástic , i open up the Dock in the house of my uncle , it did have nothing , just the HDMI imputado and the USB port , wrong for you
PSN Down no I think what Octavio is tryi ng to say is that the Switch's dock allows it's internals to run off of an outlet instead of an internal battery. By drawing more wattage the Switch's internals can run faster and perform better. He is right in that respect.
As for the CPU/ GPU comparisons idk even if the Switch's CPU was more efficient it runs at a much lower clock speed
Make way Digital Foundry, Spawn Wave is the new sheriff.
avaman1993 kinda ridiculous but I guess that's where we at with these fucking video game reviewers and "techies".
Spawnwave 4 lyf!
Mass media is bullshit and I didn't even vote for Trumpy Dumpy so don't be calling me bullshit ass names cause I'm Mexican.
Truth as it is, mass media is a fucking lie.
Haha, no. Spawnwave did an admirable job researching this vid, but Digital Foundry definitely know their stuff better. Spawnwave misinterpreted the bit about the Cell processor's 8th SPE being disabled to improve chip yield and spouted off some nonsense about it being some kind of live failsafe/backup instead. Who knows what other information he might be misinterpreting here?
NX Gamer took that already
Not even close.
@@YayWalterSullivan I don't think spawn wave misinterpreted that bit about the 8th SPE himself, I think he probably received the info that way, because wherever I read about it previously before this video was published explained it in almost the same way as he did, though not as a live failsafe thing but if one is permanently damaged.
The proof is in the pudding. Look at Mario Kart 8 jumping from 720p to 1080p, or Zelda BotW jumping from 720p to 900p. Look at NBA 2k18 being comparable to PS4 version, or FIFA 18 not only looking better than 360/PS3, but running 1080p/60fps. Even in portable mode it outclasses last gen. There's 4X as much RAM and a modern architecture. Skyrim looks comparable to current gen Remastered version, and it's running freaking DOOM and Wolfenstein 2. Why is this even a debate...
Doom look awful tho
mindfreakzero2 What?? No it doesn’t, have you even seen how it looks in real life?
If the majority of people really gave a shit about a port of a game looking slightly worse, then the PS2 wouldn't have been anywhere near as successful as it was as many of it's ports look shitty compared to the original Xbox/Gamecube versions
the switch is about as powerful as the PC i had back in 2008. and that was fairly more potent than a xbox 360, enough to run most of the consoles game at 1080p @ 60fps with similar graphics settings vs 720p 30fps.
the switch looks shitty on 4k tvs. that is a fact. I would have to go buy an old 1080p led tv to enjoy it. And the first gen ps3 had that amazing processor. not many used it to its true potential. I will just stick to my ps4. it looks way better than the switch on 4k. plus, fuck you Nintendo for giving up on the Wii u after so many people invested so much money and had very few games to play. I won't trust Nintendo ever again. And when you face facts, the switch is still not next generation.
The SWITCH on portable mode is actually slightly more powerful than you said, as Nvidea gave it a 25% boost just 3 days after it launched.
Also, as Nvidea said before, if Nintendo wants it, the docked speed can be increased, with no over heating problems.
I love my Switch, I don't care about specs like your typical hardcore gamer. All I know is in less than 2 weeks I'm going to be playing Fire Emblem Warriors then shortly after that Super Mario Odyssey and then shortly after that Xenoblade Chronicles 2.
All I know is I'm going to be perpetually broke for the next three years lol
Made In Heaven THE HYPE FOR MARIO ODYSSEY WOWZA
Made In Heaven .. yep and we can play them anywhere. I'm getting fed up with all this power talk. I just want games on my switch. It's powerful enough for good looking games. And despite what some say lol allot better than last gen.
Gavin Rogerson NBA 2K18 on the go
Couldn't agree with you more, ive had my switch for 6 months and loving it. Mario odyssey, kart and splatoon 2 are amazing games and zbotw is quite possibly my favourite game on my favourite system since the dreamcast. Its an amazing system with decent enough graphics and the magic touch... Nintendo. Gamers forget its about games not grunt
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The chayliss thnx m8, almost got lost before I saw your comment!
Phew... Thank you, was worried for a min.
I thought it started at 15:20 and ended at 0:00, thanks
The chayliss Thanks sherlock
God bless you
I loved that industry insider jab.
so how long until Nintendo releases the "new" super Switch XL mini deluxe U pro X and knuckles.
not buying it unless it says 3d in the name
2 years, im calling it
Yup I can see 2 years. But I only see it having an incremental upgrade. We may not see a jump like the DS to 3ds or psp to vita for the next 4 to 6 years. By that time they can create a much more powerful switch that can probably output better performance than the PS4.
Probably before the gamecube virtual console
Randy Sprunger How is this not top comment?
That industry insider joke is gold XD Nice video, I learned a lot about how the switch and last gen consoles work!
Solid rundown of the Switch's capabilities. You're beginning to give Digital Foundry a run for their money!
Waiting for The Know and ReviewTech to make videos saying "The Switch Weaker than Last Gen Consoles?!"
Kenshiro it could be clickbait. They may put that as the title and say that it is more powerful than last gen. Not necessarily hating.
Nah, ReviewTechUSA wouldn't do that. He's out of his negative phase now.
ZetaGammaFigma i used to like The Know until all their video titles started becoming clickbait.. however there's a silver lining in it, because now I'm watching SpawnWave for my news c:
Yeah RTU's no hater, he does ok content as it stands right now.
TLDW: Spawn Wave proving the usual deluded Nintendo haters wrong. ;)
I’ll save you 15 minutes and tell you the Switch is more powerful than last gen consoles
Bob bobinson Barely.
Bob bobinson who would have thought
Thanks Geico but I loves me some technobabble.
By a good margin.
If you take the factory specs from the X1, sure. But its not when you realize the X1 implementation Nintendo have gone for (for power and heat reasons) is clocked significantly slower than the vanilla specs state. Even less so when its not docked. Its the most logical thing they could have done, but it also reduced performance more than a little.
I always thought of Switch as 1.2× horsepower when docked, turns out I was way off. Nintendo did something real balls by making such a powerful hybrid.
Great job Spawn Wave! As a gamedev I think people (consumers and press) generally give the switch a unnecessary hard time. One thing worth mentioning is that the PS4 only have 4GB of memory available for developers. The XO has 5GB left. With the generally lower resolutions and framebuffer sizes of the switch, this difference makes memory difference abysmal. I am comfortably making a multi-platform game, and the Tegra X1 is definitely a joy to work with.
As far as I'm concerned, the line between home console and handheld gaming has already been erased. I have a PS4 and a 3DS but my Nintendo Switch is pretty much the only console I play these days. It's just so convenient and there's so many good games that have already come out with more on the way.
Elvis S Every kid has a PS4 but only play Switch or have PC with GTX1080 and still playing Switch LOL
Actually, I have a PC too, with tons of Steam games. I didn't mention it, though, because the subject is home consoles and handhelds. I probably play PC games the most. That's mostly due to Steam's many glorious sales. Also, there are some nice PC exclusives and, to be honest, I'm on my PC most of the time so it's just convenient to start up a game any time I want.
The best thing about the switch is that we are play GAMES and not movies. We play games to have fun, for about 15 years all we got were games that were flavourless and with no soul. It was all about graphics Vs fun gameplay. The switch is bringing back the fun in games and all I can say is thank you nintendo
Kai Draconus are you saying that from the last 15 years, there is no any good game? Loooooool, There are Tons of great gamesfor ps2/ps3/360, lol what is good for you splatoon ? Animal crossing? hahahahahaha 10 years old fanboy kid
Psycho Surfer wait whats wrong with splatoon and animal crossing?
The Wii U was more powerful than the PS3 and 360. MK8 runs at 1080p solid 60fps on Switch, 720p 59fps on Wii U. This argument that "The Switch is underpowered" needs to stop. It's running fricking Doom.
My point is, the Switch is vastly more powerful than the Wii U, yet still underpowered compared to the XB1 and PS4. It's like 5 or 6 times the power of the 360 and PS3. Those consoles came out over 10 years ago. Nintendo is not that cheap.
But does it runs crysis
That’s not true the Wii U was weak but Nintendo are just gods when it comes to optimization
@@brunor.1127 Yes!
Only idiots (Tobis as PlayerEssence calls them) really believed Switch is weaker than 360
The Wii U was stronger than the 360 and PS3 lol
True, buy PlayerEssence is the definition of a Nintendo fanboy. Dude couldn't even bring himself to criticise & potentially improve the Wii U over the course of its life.
Jeeses99 the Xbox was bad but not anymore. It’s actually toe to toe with software and wins with the 1X in hardware
Jeeses99 who the fuck told you that? The switch is far weaker than the ps4 and Xbox one gtfo of here with your lies. The switch is a great console but it doesn’t come with its shortcomings anyone saying otherwise is delusional
Total Nugget well the ps4 pro is cheaper so...
Man, that little bit killed me! Thank you, as always, for consistently great content, Spawnwave! I appreciate it
As a game developer I have to say, the Nintendo Switch is nothing like the X360 or PS3. Switch also has the ability to transfer two low-precision FP16 instruction per GPU core. (which even the XO and PS4 doesn't have) Theoretically this actually increase the GFLOPS operations to 768GFLOPS if using FP16 only. This claim is of course a bit far fetched and does not represent reality, because sometimes you want the precision of FP32 operations. However, what developers can do is to use certain parts of the rendering with lower precision, SSAO, anti-alaising, transparencies etc. It doesn't impact image quality that much but reduces the computational load. Together with the increased Raster Operations per clock and increase in memory and memory bandwidth we are looking at a far superior system to last gen.I think the games tell everything. Sure, they are cut back from the 180W PS4 or 120W XBOX One, but in the end, these games would never even run on the X360. Look at an Unreal game like Snake Pass, that doesn't even run on 1080p on PS4 (rather 868p), it's a complex, simulation-heavy game, and the Switch manages to run it at about the same performance levels at 648p. Sure some effects are cut back and rendered with less precision, but in the end... it's the same game. C'mon, look at Doom, that game would be impossible to run on a X360, and after the patches it runs beautifully in much higher resolution (still dynamic 720p though) and steadier frame rate.
Well then why PS4/X1 games do look far better than Switch games. They're not even comparable.
@@darkdragonair9318 read again you didn't get what he's saying
Dark Dragonair you clearly didn’t read his comment all the way through
@@basil7ksa that's not fair that the ps4 xb1 that have far better graphics and better performance than the switch all because the xbox one ps4 came out 4 years than the switch I'm jealous that a console that is 4 years older than the switch has great graphics
Rewatched this for fun since it popped up in my feed. Not sure if you'll see this but I must say that after watching news wave since it was started and seeing Evan's more recent reviews it feels like he had a solid contribution to the script here. Some portions have his style written all over it (no pun intended). You guys make an awesome team and I want to extend my thanks for all the high quality content!
The Wii U is stronger than the PS3 and the Switch is stronger than the Wii U. How can anyone think the Switch is weaker than the PS3? It is very obvious it is stronger by just looking at the games on it.
Walther Penne How high are you, on a scale from 1 to Bob Marley?
Kristoffer Tell - Cat got your tongue? XD
@@xXSonTJXxx We are already seeing the trouble the weeker consoles are doing there cpu are weeker then last gen consoles why you think they just added more ram and boosted the ghz of the cpu. Its shit we have to buy the same thing just an added 1 gb ram and boosted ghz
I mean the base xbox 1 and ps4 why you think they did not make something like ps3 pro or xbox 360 X
@Walther Penne take a shot every time you see "Wii U"
To simplify this, the Tegra X1 in the Switch can reach up to 512GFLOPS but since it's overclocked it's about over 300 in portable and maybe 400 while docked
This is your best video so far, imo. Great job!
Hence why a lot of games from the 7th gen consoles were upscaled even to 720p when looking at the RAM situation. If you look up lists of games that ran at the native resolutions (whether it be 720p or 1080p), a lot of games could not even hit those resolutions and the systems had to upscale the games.
Late comment but.... The PS3 had more 1080p titles than the 360 which was a miracle as during the beginning. The system was showing itself to be too complicated, but later on you could see the difference between 360 and ps3 titles being more even or the ps3 looking nicer.
That CELL processor was a beast that never realized it’s true potential :(
The Industry Insider bit made me up vote immediately... okay, now I'm off to enjoy the rest of what's sure to be another awesome S.W Video.
Upvote
The switch is basically as strong as a gtx 1030 if you think about it, that in itself is a pretty impressive for a device the size of a tablet
Except its underclocked, even when in docked mode. Nobody seems to be taking this into account.
Mikey C even underclocked, it still outperforms the last generation.
mark grayson Tf? Xenoverse 2 runs and looks miles better on my cousins PC which houses a GTX 1030. This comment is completely wrong.
mark grayson Except that it is the most impressive handheld.
Kuma Wilson is correct... GT 1030 has a spec of 900+ Gflops compared to the Switch's ~400. The GT-10 series uses Pascal, a generation newer than Maxwell.
GT 1030 also draws twice the power of an entire Switch, so it's not like the Switch is underperforming, it just has less silicon and electricity to work with.
I love your videos,they are very informative!
Amazing analysis. Let's hope all those naysayers see this video.
Damn you seriously know your tech and I love it keep up the good work
now this kind of nerdy videos is what makes me love even more and more this channel, keep up the great work (y)
The Switch graphics are still great considering the size comparison to ps4 and X1. And keep in mind theres a fricken screen built into it. My mind is blown. Yet the best part about the Switch is its amazing IP's that you cant play on any other device.
You are one of little smart people in this comment section.
It's actually kind of sad that you can't play any of these games on a device that's any better than the Switch. I have an LG G7 ThinQ, utilizing a Snapdragon 845 SoC and 4 GB LPDDR4. That's 8 CPU cores vs. the 4 that the Switch can use, and 512 GPU cores vs the Switch's 256. Much higher clock speeds, smaller transistor process. It kinda slays. I would love to play Switch games on this thing.
@@mrmaniac3 It's amazing how powerful smartphones have become. Grid Autosport for Android/iOS is literally the same game as the one released for PC and consoles back in 2014, but with graphics and performance surpassing that of the PS3 and XBox 360. It's sad how all this potential is wasted on horrible f2p shovelware horse manure.
MrManiac3 isn’t that phone like 600 bucks?
@@elimalinsky7069 Nahh…smartphone gaming have NO GAME…It suck AF 🗿🐽📏
The Switch uses Unreal Engine 4. Nuff said.
Kenshiro the switch uses the full version though.
Unreal engine 4, yup that says it all right there.
that doesn't say anything at all.
if there was active development for old consoles you can bet your ass they'd have the engine ported to them too.
yeah, my S9 uses it, too
FeelsModMan mobile version... There's a difference between full and mobile ue4
Even if it is only that powerful, it's still very impressive considering the size and form factor.
Liked the dramatic moment there (makes it a little fun and less straight up serious/tech talk).
The illustrations and arrows are also quite helpful, keep up the good vids
A lot of hard work to make that vid! much appreciated
How much extra performance comes out of the half point precision capabilities of the Switch? (fp16) For instance, would we have a noticeable visual boost from those games that don’t use it to the games that do? Thanks for making this video!
It’s based on an nVidia Tegra X1. That is at least 3 times the power of the 360 I believe.
As a PC gamer (who also owns all of the consoles covered in this video), I can vouch for this video making sense. Pure power does not equal performance. For example, look at AMD's Vega 64 GPU with over 13TFLOPs vs Nvidia's 1080ti with under 12TFLOPs. The 1080ti outperforms the Vega, despite having less raw power. It's not how much power you have, but how well you use it. Same goes for clockspeeds. Compare CPUs with same clockspeeds today vs years ago.
Why the fuck do you have a Ps3 with an Xbox360 with a Pc wtf
I had a 360 before a gaming PC. Unlike most, I don't really care which platform games come out on. I'm not biased, I don't fanboy for any particular platform. Sure PC is more capable than the consoles, but the consoles have their exclusives. And emulation on PC takes years to develop. Also, the analogies I provided are more familiar to PC gamers. Even on PC, the same rules apply. Power alone won't provide performance.
@@mahius19I wish there was more pc owners like this definitely!!! Finally somebody who understands
@@Kevin-ep8syBecause he wants? Just a thought
I moved on from the Xbox 360 and Xbox One to the Nintendo Switch in 2017.
- The Defend Against The Following Three Years to 2016 by Ivangard C. Revita (born on November 16, 1996), Concluded in watching another feature film called The Lion King (2019) in the movie theater premiere (especially IMAX theater) -
Holy shit.
I'm watching this in June 2020 and damn you have changed! Mad respect.
Still great video though.
If you think that the Switch is just the same as the 360... play through Blighttown on the 360 version of Dark Souls then the switch version of Blighttown then come back to me
Spawn does not follow switch force. Wonder if he intentionally put that in there?
Wait there were actually people that questioned if the Switch was not more powerful as the 360/PS3!!? Please someone tell me that’s a joke. Pls.
TheBrownLamb Tell that to IGN's freelancer that blurted out this blasphemy
DARK Ken Kaneki phones are much much stronger than ps3/xb360
Wow o: I loved this vid. So informative. Great job, Spawn Wave c:
Another awesome video! You're very good at explaining technicalities in a way that makes it digestible to a less educated audience. :)
You can argue the specs all day long but Nintendo's strength has always been their games. I have a Switch and love it. To me this is their best system since the N64.
ViciousAlienKlown agree
I'd say the wii was better than N64 but other than that I agree.
@@ancientshiv9837 The Wii wasn't the weakest....that distinction goes to the Virtual Boy. That's all I will say good about the Wii.
ViciousAlienKlown Idk, the N64 doesn’t have very good games, the best game is easily Majora’s Mask but that, OOt, and SM64 can be played on 3DS.
Nscastle perfect dark, golden eye, banjo kazooie, diddy kong racing, paper Mario, doom 64, turok etc.
So the Switch is a portable XBox 360 PRO?
Switch es un x4.2 que una xbox 360,jum aunque se una ps3 y x360 y wii u,aún la switch es más potente en gpu
It's crazy how some people still think GTAV couldn't run on switch on from a performance perspective... neglecting storage
It can LOOK aT how bad gta sa runs lol
@@Deanspall_ lol imagine being that dumb to to thing that's how porting games works plus news shock remastered has way higher system requirements then GtaV
This! This is why I'm subscribed. Keep up the good work.
Lmao!! Love it!! This is the best gaming/news channel on youtube.
Love how one freelancer for IGN trumps all the tech people and Digital Foundry who have said the Switch outperforms the 360 and PS3 in handheld and especially in dock. Can you say confirmation bias?
And the best comparison is probably FAST RMX and FAST Racing Neo. The former is notably improved over the latter. Vastly superior image quality, much improved post processing, significantly better lighting solution, added effects on seceral tracks and vehicles, new tracks with greater polygonal complexity than older ones.
probably not even a freelancer, my bet's on a troll tricking idiots, where else but IGN really.
Well in fairness, IGN employs a small army of freelancers. Bad articles slip through the cracks easier the more cooks there are in the kitchen.
could be, I just know IGN's audience isn't the best, nor have they had a good track record for journalism. Alot of what they do kinda just implies they're feeding confirmation bias as you said.
Proto Craft Well again, IGN is a sprawling organization all things considered. More people=more opinions=less unified perspective on things. That's how you wind up with the Nintendo Voice Chat and an article titled "The PS Vita is set to Succeed" tied to the same site. So yeah, people go there to feed their own bias, but that's nothing new. IGN just so happens to be so large that you can find food for any lerspective within its writing.
Switch is totally more powerful than 360 and PS3
Nintendo is awesome! Graphics don't matter, it's the content that matters! Zelda, Pokémon and Mario are awesome
@COOLMCDEN 219 The Switch is portable and has good games.
Graphics do matter.
great video once again. Always learn a few new things in an interesting way with these tech videos of yours. Good job!
Dude this video is the lord’s work lol. I don’t even grasp 85% of this kind of talk usually, but this video was super well done. Awesome job, bro!
The fact that there is even a comparison between the current gen and last gen shows Nintendo gave up trying to be an equally powerful console. They stopped trying to be in the front line and went with gimmicks and features to sell consoles. Not saying it's wrong or right. The switch was the first system since gamecube that was even comparable
The Wii u was more powerful than the Xbox 360 and PS3 and the switch is WAY more powerful than the Wii u
not way more
Meme Gamer not way more, bsrely even
RAM and GPU, but awful CPU that made it apparent in multi platform games with the frame rates and objects on screen
Ehh... not in all areas, the CPU was half a generation behind the Cell and Xenon (especially Cell) with the clock speed being ~2GHz less and the architecture being the same as or slightly superior to the GameCube and Wii's CPU, the RAM was DDR3 but the memory bandwidth is half of the 360's,
However, the GPU and RAM amount was way ahead.
Yoshisaur Munchakoopas That made no sense.
It's really stupid to think that the Switch is less powerful than a Wii U. Think about it. A Wii U is more powerful than a 360 and a PS3. For any technology company to come out with a weaker successor is just plain stupid and for anyone to think that that will ever happen is even stupider.
and did you listen to the video at all..? the Switch is more powerful & efficient than the Wii U - he just proved it in the video.
Walther Penne the switch actually doesn't overheat much look up "let's overheat the switch" and you'll see that the only real danger of it overheating is with it on its back, in carpet, hooked up to a portable dock and playing something that takes up a whole lot more power than breath of the wild (I think the video might be on this channel but I'm not sure) also being different from another console doesn't make it not a console. That's like saying ps4 isn't a console because it's different from ps3 or any Xbox console
quit being dumb you fuck. my 1997 ran quake 2 at 110 fps. that's clearly more frames than the wiiu so does it mean my pentium mmx 233mhz with a voodoo2 is more powerful than a switch? ggez.
I subscribed to your channel because of the in-depth coverage of this topic. I will re-watch this video just to let the information seep in more. Thank you for this video!
I didn't understand a lot of that but I'm glad to have a TH-camr like yourself explain it to me. AWESOME VIDEO DUDE! keep em comin:)
Isn't Wii U's actually half of 352 GFLOPS.. 176? But its a much more newer and efficient GPU than 360's and is a bit more powerful, so GFLOPs don't tell the whole story
Of course it's going to be more powerful. The PS3 and Xbox360 are from 12 years ago. And to be honest, I'm kind of disappointed that the Switch wasn't that much more powerful.
░KenLinx░ It's actually around 4x more powerful (when docked). Having a GPU architecture that's 10 years newer, and 8x the RAM to boot helps massively.
supersbbrawl4ever 4x isn't a lot for 12 years. The Switch is 4 years ahead of the PS4 and Xbox One, yet it's less powerful. In a 10 year period from the 90s, we went from basic 2D sprites to full fledged 3D models.
It could be much more powerful.
Remember that the tegra X1 is essentially late 2014 tech (released in January 2015).
The Tegra X2 from 2016 is double as fast with the same power consumption.
Hardwarehelfer Except that the X2, even now, isn't ready for mobile usage.
Explain me how it isn't ready ?
There just isn't a reason for companies to buy this things for mobile use.
NVIDIA decided to still use the old A57 Cores instead the new A72 ones to guarantee compatibility for usage in cars (basically the only ones except google that bought the X1) and the competition offers more energy efficient alternatives like Furian and Bifröst. Thats why we don't see tablets with this SoC (and that Apple currently dominates the high end ARM tablet market).
The X1 failed at its targeted audience due to its way to high power consumption (it was still using Planar Bulk notes). Apples A9X was just much better (better CPU and similar GPU performance paired with much lower power consumption).
omg halo 1-2-3 on switch :P would be amazing
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Just wanted to say I just found your channel and this is one of the most interesting videos I have ever watched thank you
This was a bad ass video. I think I'm gonna sub you now. Nice work.
_Xbox 360 is more powerful than Switch_
This sounds indeed like it could come from a person working for IGN
It's really unfortunate that you had to correct some misinformation being spread by a large journalist site that is supposedly focused on video games. Even if it is a freelancer and not necessarily their own employees, it's disheartening none the less.
*nonetheless
Modern architecture win all time...Switch is amazing little console of all time
Hey! Great Video. Love your work and definitely a big fan. Next time could you put up a side by side graph / slide, comparing numbers, facts and figures of all the systems as apposed to showing them one page at a time. Thanks! Looking forward to next upload.
A very detailed Informative video with great presentation and music. I already knew about the inner workings of past and present consoles but not to the depth found here. SpawnWave is a Triple A youtuber in the making.
legitimate information has been provided here. 🎮 game over man
Wasn't the separate ram pool in the ps3 the cause of the skyrim dlc debacle? Don't know why I remembered that, but I do.
So where is GTA 5 for Switch? :P
sirhendro in development from what I hear ?
Doesn't need it
Lol the switch can't run GTA 5 it barely ran LA noire.
Cody Simpson Yes, the Switch version of Pong had to be downscaled to 240p.
COOLMCDEN 219 the only way it could run GTA 5 if it's downgraded to hell. It would end up looking like the San Andreas remaster after they're finished.
Easily one of your best videos. Keep up the good work
Really, it's like watching your older brother in these videos!
Well done Jon!
The Xbox360 was such a beast for it's time.
oh boy another spawn wave video
This is no suprise, Moore's law.
thank you for allowing me to google that. interesting stuff
Moores law is coming to a end
Yo Jon(SW). Awesome video man really interesting and quality stuff.
One of the main reasons why the switch version of third parties don't look as good as it's counterparts is the heavy compression of games due to current cart size limitations. Once Nintendo drop those bigger cart sizes you can expect multiplats that require the extra space to look much better.
So basically, GTA5 could run on the switch.
Yes, technically. If you ported the ps3 version.
It's probably to hard to port. You can see rdr1 ran better on switch and at a higher resolution.
@@IDKwhy156if they use the PS3 version then GTA5 could run as well as RDR1 runs on Switch.
Lol nope 😂
Nvidia vs Radeon FLOPS; this probably should've been mentioned. Nvidia cards do more with less GPU FLOPS
the Switch is obviously more powerful than the 360, damn. people aren't smart.
You better cancel these idiots, Spawn 👏
He clearly stated that the switch is weaker than the xbox360, except for the gpu and ram part.
SnakeEngine the gpu is what makes a big difference what are you smoking dude
I missed those tech explanation videos, thank you! Maybe it'd be interesting to see a video of how the Switch revision would benefit from a possible X2, with GPU based on the Pascal architecture.
Bruno Panzero Schechter X2 wouldn't be THAT huge of an upgrade aside from memory bandwidth. If there is a Switch revision in 3 years, Nintendo shouldn't use anything older than Volta if they want to at least double the performance of the base Switch.
Excellent analysis! Super informative!