The Simple Mod All Teles (Really) Need.
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Glaser are the most top notch folks I've dealt with. Took them my favorite strat I've been playing for over 20 years and assumed it was time for a refret. They called me back in to review the results. They hadn't touched it. They showed me the PLEK scan results showing that my neck was absolutely perfect and the frets, while worn down from their original medium jumbo profile, still had years of life left in them. They recommended I leave it alone until the frets are truly due; estimated 4-5 years time. Charged me nothing. That's the kind of honesty that buys a customer for life. I was ready to drop any price they wanted on a refret and they knew it.
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PLEK doesn't really profile the frets properly because it grinds them flat instead of following the neck contour. My setup guy had a customer with a brand new LP that he sent back to Gibson & it came back junk & needed to be refretted. Hard to beat a good setup by a qualified guitar tech. My guy is the best in southern Nevada, a true perfectionist.
When the Telecaster was designed, the standard string set had a wound, not a plain third string. String sets were also heavier than is typical today. Flatwounds were more common than roundwounds. The Tele was designed with those strings in mind.
I think that many perceived problems with the G string on the six-a-side headstock started when players began using lighter sets overall, and went to a plain third that could be bent more easily. Fender - and other manufacturers - were slow to adjust to the change. Another example would be the Gibson 'lightning bolt' stoptail bridge, which was still intonated for four wound strings for quite some time after many players had started using a plain third, which has a different intonation point, causing tuning problems.
Putting a plain third into an old nut that had been cut for a wound third might also cause the string to rattle in the nut slot. So you can see that something that might not have been a problem in 1952 might have become a problem by 1967.
What has always been weird to me is that Fender have made no attempt to address this obvious problem, in spite of the fact that the fix - a three-string tree, as here - is not exactly rocket science: a small change to one cheap part.
My telecasters don’t hardly ever go out of tune. This feels like a solution to a problem I don’t have.
Yep. He’s got a glaser bender. Different animal. Mine never goes out of tune
Mine stays in great tune also.... Mexican made Tele with upgraded parts and pickups 😊
String trees are not intended to improve tuning. Their purpose is to improve tone & sustain by increasing the string break angle over nut, and also dampening ringing of the strings between the nut and the tuners. If anything, string trees can make tuning more difficult if they add too much friction to the strings at the nut and tree, which is why its important to try not to deviate much from the string break angle of the D string.
The Tele is the one guitar that if i pick it up I'm sure its gonna be in tune.
Play the g string by itself, listening for any unpleasant overtones, then lay your finger on the G string on the Tuner side of the nut and play the open G and see if the overtones are gone ,that tells you if you have the problem or not
As stated, the takeaway for me is unless you're gonna put a guitar in a glass vault, what it plays like supersedes what it looks like. Sorry guys, a tele sounds and plays like a tele, period.
Luckily so many aesthetic mods are also functional! Good thing you don't have to worry about anyone modding YOUR guitar.👍🏽
Well I think you need to be sorry. Very sorry. Its good you stated. That's a statement for sure.
I agree. It’s a musical instrument, made to make music. Looks are great, but tone is all. But is there a problem making a mod like this, what’s wrong with it? You don’t like the telecaster sound? Ok to each his (or her) own…. I have one and love it.
I forgive you.
Exactly. Nobody obviously paid attention to Eddie van halen
They sell these at stew-mac, but I think this is the first video where someone actually asked Joe Glaser about it! Great content.
Triples tree orders have just skyrocketed...
I tried the Zac Childs’ recommendation to use a maximum string wind - works fine for me; improved break angle and no issues with tuning.
Zac is the man.
NOT A TUNING ISSUE. It's about ringy harmonics behind the nut.
This really makes sense for someone that doesn't want to damage a vintage guitar. Over the years I've found that on most flat headstock guitars, a Floyd Rose string retainer bar is overall a better option than all sorts of string tree designs. But it doesn't look vintage, that's for sure.
Like traveling to the temple on the misty mountain to present your baby to the wise man to be healed.
Great little mod that many 6 inline tuner headstocks really need. Most people change the tuners out for staggered ones that give the G string more break angle. But depending on the design of the headstock, sometimes its still not enough. I'm not into Fenders at all, and the 6 inline tuner headstocks on the guitars I own, dont have this problem. The one guitar I have that had a "plinky" G string was remedied by some simple nut slot filing, to keep the string from buzzing. If you dont have proper break angle over the nut, just try wrapping the string around the post multiple times so it tapers downwards. This isn't the best solution, but oftentimes can be made to work with a little patience.
Always love a clever cheap mod
I just ordered a Triple Tree.
I have never been happy with the flabby open G on Teles.
For years I have been using a rubber pick holder as a kind of mute on the head stock for the G.
This is an elegant solution.
I added a 2nd string tree to my 99 Am St Telecaster way back in the day.... and yeah, it has an extra hole up there now. I wish these were around back then. When i first installed it I would go back and forth with having that D and G string under it or not to see if there was any difference.... there is... especially the G-string. A little twangier with it out, more solid and better tone with it in. I always left both extra strings under it. Not as much of a difference with the D-string, but I left it under anyway for the even look. One physics-type thing it does is add a bit more tension at pitch in the string you have under it due to the change in free-string length behind the nut. You might notice a tiny bit of difference in the way the G-string bends... and how much to bend to get the same pitch-change you want.
The second hole does not bother me one bit
I have triple string trees on two Strats and a Tele and I love em; in fact, I'm looking to order more for my next Teles and/or Strats
I have a Modern Player Tele, it has a belly cut, much more rounded edges, a solid strat bridge, a tele neck pickup, strat middle, and splittable bridge humbucker, and... 2 string trees. What a bastard child, but I love it!
From now on, no matter what, when you're looking at your Tele, all you're gonna see is that damned extra string tree!
I have an Indonesian-made Fender Tele Custom - flame maple top on a mahogany body with two Seymour Duncan humbuckers, belly carve, thru-body 6-saddle bridge and TWO string trees, covering D, G, B, and E strings. I replaced the bent-metal Fender trees with Tusq XL teflon self-lubricating trees. Awesome guitar!
Thank you both.
Love seeing the process to creating new gear and the guys who actually came up with it. Keep up the good work.
Spacer depth has a significant effect on the way the corresponding string plays under the fingers. Can also effect overtones
I find the optimal position for the tree differs on each Guitar
Great behind-the-scenes information. Loved it.
"A sin against nature" LOL!!! No extra holes -- great invention!
I have been using string ends for a long time to run the new string through behind the bridge on a top loader to scoot the windings further back so they don't scratch up your palm when you mute on the saddles. I have also put solder on the windings to make them smooth. When I build a tele for myself I use a string tree bar across either 4 or 5 strings.
I like the roller string trees on my Strats and Teles.
My tele (not a Fender, but a custom build) has 2 roller string trees. Love those things. Also, I'm NOT a purist by any means. Got this great pink/peach swirl finish and an big atom decal on it. Totally works for me and it sounds awesome. This is a great idea however if you don't have the second string tree already.
Reverend Guitars has had a 3 string tree for a long time
Yes, and a better design in my opinion.
Thank you Robert, I'm gonna try that!
Love my Musiccity compensated wrap tail piece but didn’t know they had these string trees. I am definite need of one. Thanks for the video.
I just get the Fender tuners that have the G B E pole pieces much lower than the other three. Pretty common now on all their new Guitars as well.
Sure, if you need to upgrade your tuners. I prefer locking. Which is more expensive than this little piece.
Which part of the tuner is the pole piece?
in the billbox today was a package from music city bridge, so I opened it up and did a 5 minute install on one of my tele's that needed help on the g string. It definetly makes a difference and it will stay on this guitar, thanks for putting this fix out there. I ordered extras when I got this one for future use. makes a big improvement and is the lowest cost of any mod I have done.
loved the video and the history lesson from joe...thanks robert !
Awesome video and hearing the stories is the best..I think I will now have to look into this for my tele’s as it just makes sense..thanks Robert🤘🏻🎸🤘🏻 Keep rocking
thanks for the video, this is such a great solution. I have a telecaster with a horrible chimey/ring on the g string. the chime goes away when I apply a little bit of pressure on the string behind the nut. I've tried winding the entire length of the string, to get more break angle, but I reckon this triple tree is going to fix it entirely. Just ordered myine now, will let you know how it goes
If you wrap the string so it winds upward instead of winding down, it has the same effect. Same goes for Les Pauls, really improves tuning issues on the 3rd string on Les Pauls.
Great idea! Thanks man, just ordered 2.
where did you order it at? thanks
I'm thinking about a b-bender so I've been looking up stuff about Joe Glaser and I stumble across this.... Four years ago when I was putting together my tele I found the 3 string tree on Reverb and fixed my ringy G string. That was a very important addition and just now realised it was Joe's invention! Definitely planning a Nashville trip for the Glaser B-bender mod. Thanks.
That is so cool. I have a tele and now I'm going to get a triple tree!
I have had a triple tree on my 2020 American Original '50s Stratocaster for a couple years now ... works quite well!
5:23 - “As a purist” (not), I’m perfectly happy with the two string trees on my ‘78 Tele.
if hes willing to put a bender on, I dont get what his issue with an extra string tree is. Sounds a little hypocritical. Enjoy your 78 tele. I got a deluxe. There were great ones made in that era for sure. Some dogs too though, lol.
@@adeptgopnik Those ‘70s Deluxes are cool.
Eyy, 70’s deluxe tele gang.
I bought one of these for my jazzmaster… It is brilliant, simple and looks great. Zero G string issues since replacing 🙏
Wow, great invention! Great story. My Squier Telly has two string trees, holding down four strings.
Good time for some Tele love on the channel. Just been playing and enjoying mine more recently. I like the Triple Tree, will look into that.
I bought one of these for a fender mustang. Although it worked, I was surprised that the tension of the string bent the string tree slightly. Maybe the first ones weren’t that strong??
I picked up a few. They work very well. Thank you for the video.
where did you order it at? thanks
I buy the reverend triple tree
Amen
I need this for my Strat. Just awesome
This is great. Just ordered 4, one for each of my Telecasters.
Great interview.
Well I’ve had an annoying buzz ringing issue with the G string on my 2012 Tele from day one that I haven’t been able to eliminate. Doesn’t matter whether it’s played plugged in or not the buzz is there. It’s not caused from the frets or saddles, it does it when plucked on the open G string. I have checked everything I can think of. It never occurred to me the break angle would cause this even though it does have staggered tuners. I’m going to check this out maybe this might just be the problem and fix. Thanks Robert much appreciated.
❤the Trini in the background.
Just an FYI, Reverend has been selling Avery nice triple tree for several years, round bar, no drag and can be turned slightly for max down pressure.
i have one on my Strat...will get one for my Tele! thanks for the info of its origins...
Thanks for this !!!!!! Really cool !!!
I just bought one haha! Great, simple invention. Thanks my man, good video! 🤙😎
My USA Tele standard 2007 stays in tune really well ❤
Reverend sells a superior, just my opinion, one of these for about 14 bucks. It is just a round bar like the one that comes on a lot of Reverend guitars as stock. This means that the string is not cradled, nor does it have two ends to catch on. Reducing that surface area and eliminating two drag points per string can greatly help with tuning and stability. If you want to make a million dollars invent one that rolls. You can pay me later. Lol.
I was trying to remember which manufacturer used a triple string tree, thanks.
Just came by to say this same thing, I use Reverend's triple trees on all my Fenders.
I have a 75th anniv (2021) Tele Player Plus (MIM) with belly-carve, rolled fretboard edges, push-pull for parallel/series pups (Fender noiseless) and a string tree with a roller bar! brilliant indeed! Reverend also sells a sweet drop-in replacement roller bridge which I put on my Bixby-equipped axes.
I can understand using this on vintage tuners, I have a 2007 deluxe with modern tuners with a shortened G string post and I put maximum raps on it, works for me.
Love the channel . Great content .... Sorry I'm 2 weeks behind I stumbled on a similar 3string spacer from Stew Mac ,, they do give any props to your buddy @ Music City
Just got one, $11 with shipping and excited to see how it does! Thank you both for sharing!!
where did you order it at? thanks
I have a Tele that has the harmonic G string ring, I stop it completely with a single wrap of scotch tape around the G and B string. You can barely see it and it works great.
I also have a Surf Green Tele. It's a Fender Custom Shop La Cabronita Relic with a TV Jones in the bridge.
THANK YOU ROBERT
I have put these on 3 guitars now. Love them.
I built a Tele last year and had Glasers set it up and they installed one of these trees. They are great!
What a great guy Joe is. A true innovator and guitar lover.
Have a great Sunday Robert ❤!
Love that lam fretboard 60s
Robert, when this video started, I thought, how is he gonna make a video out of this little thing lol? That was a wonderful video. Well done. I really enjoyed the interview and I learned more than I thought I would.
I put it on my Strat and it’s great! Teles are next.👍
Love your BFG lessons btw!.
If Joe says this is the way to go on a Tele, I’m all ears and will do it. He’s done work for me since the 90’s, and I’ve had the pleasure of playing some of his builds that are so awesome. He’s the mastermind of anything Bender and Tele/ any guitar in my opinion. Nice video. I’ve learned more from Joes concepts and applied a bunch to my own builds here in Florida. There’s only a handful of guys out there that have the skills to do the best and Joe is right there. 🇺🇸
I noticed that right away on both my Teli & Strat you have an annoying double note when you pick the G string. You get a G note & D note ringing out behind nut. I also try to make all strings level across in back of the nut.
Hey Robert, hope you are well. Gotta say, when you were moving to Nashville I was thinking how cool of a studio you had and was hoping things would work out well for you in Nashville. It looks like you are doing well there and it really seems that there are more resources, like these really good shops. I think these videos have been a great addition to your channel. They are fun to watch and informative. Thanks for sharing everything and have a good one.
Reverend makes something similar that's awesome that you can buy aftermarket from them.
Solves a problem that my Tele doesn’t have
Just sales promo blurb for BS! Baker sucks! As per Alice Cooper says in Lost in America " get a nice haircut and get a real job" 😊
@@valjatriogina228 Pretty sure that's George Thorogood.
I pooped and smeared the poop on my tele and it fixed it.
Bro, they're like 6 bucks, chill. @@valjatriogina228
Classic "Solution in search of a problem". Like voter fraud.
I put one on a Kappa Continental. Sure did the job. Great product.
Anytime I put a second string tree on my Strats it gets rid of a very off chime at the headstock. It also increases tubing stability. A Reverend string tree is also an option
This has been on my mind for yrs.....👍 Just now seeing someone else talk about it..
I put a second tree on my 2016 MIM Tele, not a big deal and works great.
Really enjoying these videos with Joe and his crew!
Man they are the best. I have another one shot already as well that will be out in a few weeks
I checked my tele's and starcaster and strat and all have a gap in angle on the strings there so I orderd a few to test and feel the difference, really simple to do if it helps i'll give a thumbs up, plus I want to see if it makes a difference in bends.
Joe is just like my Grandpa was. If he needed something he just fucking made it. Grandpa enjoyed those unplanned benefits like the screw placement letting the tree angle itself.
I just installed one on my guitar. Now it sounds like a guitar. Well... in fact it sounds exactly as before. Thanks for this excellent tip.
"Garage Engineering" at its finest.
I love that he used what was lying around the shop too!!!
I really want this, the G on my 52 Reissue MIM needs this.
How do you feel about the staggered tuners? Supposedly they remove the need for string trees. Would you still go with a string tree anyway?
I have them and there really is no need for any string trees. Now you got to fill holes where the trees used to be 🤣
An alternative per Ask Zac is to do many more windings around the G string post.
8:15 -- also heard 'perceived tension' referred to as 'static tension'.
Robert can you tell us how to adjust the barrel saddles on a tele to work? It's maddening
My Tele's from the 70's all have two string tree's because that's all we had back then. I never took them off because the second hole would have to be filled and show. When I first caught wind of Joe's invention it made total sense to me. I immediately ordered some to install on my Teles that I hadn't added a second tree to and to have on hand for any future Telecaster purchases. Joe is a practical hands on problem solver who just happens to work on guitars. Pay attention when he talks and you'll learn something.
My '74 tele has two.
That was a very good video.
As someone else wrote, Reverend has such a stringtree, but I have one by Wilkinson as well. So nothing new, but it would be nice to be able to buy one at your local store...
Makes sense, except I would like this made from a material with graphite/teflon, or with rollers. Pure for tuning stability's sake.
I use 2 separate string trees with steel rollers for that reason.
Amen!
Claude and William, I think the ball ends on the early model were rollers on an axle with spacer bushings, on a yoke. So he sorta had the roller idea. In the end I think a stamped, bent and plated one looks more correct on a Fender. My Tele has one tree and the G is going a long way at a pretty good height above the headstock face, it could use a Triple Tree.
I have a Tele-style guitar which had a dead-sounding G string. I had to add a second string tree to fix it. But I would have had this triple tree done if I knew about it. My new Schecter California Classic strat has a triple tree to start with.
curious? which adapter did they use? for me, i tried all three to attempt to achieve the parallelness of all six strings even past the point of the string tree. only the tallest keep them relatively the same. the other adapters made the first 3 strings too low after the point of the tree compared to the other three. but, it really didn't lower the third string much which was the whole point of the 3 string tree. in looking at pics of it from various sites, it appears that they all use the tallest of the adapters which is the one i used. interesting!
Glad he put a spacer on.
to all the people who either don't understand the problem this is fixing, or have a tele and don't see the reason to get one. The triple string tree can fix multiple problems especially if you don't want to put a second string tree. It can give a better break angle to stop the string from popping out of the nut slot, stop ringing behind the nut on the G string, or help your guitar stay in tune better if you have a G or B bender. some teles need it, some don't.
Great video
Will this be useful on a Jackson? I want to remove the locking-nut but the shape of the headstock is bending the strings all weird.
Hey, I have a triple tree on my Tele (and Strat). I need to email Music City Bridge about a bridge for my Epi SG. Been loving the videos! Can't wait to see what's next.
ok, help me out. what benefits are you getting when using one of these? easier bends?, better tone? Trying to understand this.