Thanks for watching everyone! Again, I'm surprised by how well this did. And I appreciate all the comments both the positive as well as the negative ones. Also, the amount of Star Wars vs Warhammer debates that these videos spark in the comments is hilarious.
I'm a big Warhammer fan and I really enjoyed your Warhammer vs star wars videos, you should make necrons vs star wars battle Droids or general grievous that would be pretty funny
It'd be funny see a continuety crossover, the empire would almost certainly be turned by choas cultists into with their level of corruption, especially the sith, sith demons would happen 😂
I (storm trooper) would have said something like "No but at that point might as well kill your enemies with OLD AGE... which doesn't seem sooooo cool." lol
Funny thing is, Space Marines have the best logistics in the entire Imperium since they're designed to be extremely mobile and self-sufficient, and Ultramarines in particular have the best logistics of the entire Adeptus Astartes, with the possible exception of the Imperial Fists.
@@johntorreto4485 well the clones dont have daddy issues, they just have all the other issues (and probably daddy issues but those would be focussed on daddy fett, hence the mandalorian references in their "culture" and mostly their armor personalization)
@@starkiller169 Oh please, like Palpatine would get off his ass. Face it, Vader's Stormtroopers and fleet are the only competent fighting force the Empire has because he kills all the incompetent idiots who come near him.
Actually, taking into account the challenges that keeping together an empire of a million planets entails in a universe where travel and communications have to go through literal hell, the fact that it's *only* a nightmare is pretty damn impressive. The Imperium has *excellent* logistics for the circumstances.
Yep, for every 1 Imperial Navy ship there's 99 similarly-sized civilian commerce ships, often nearly-automated and taking short pre-planned jumps through the warp instead of the faster, but more perilous journeys military forces have to take. Then there's all the system defense ships around every planet, which cannot go FTL but make up for it with heavier weapons for their size, and the fact that even feudal planets with minimal guidance (every month put X tons of material at the spaceport to sacrifice to the god in the sky) can mine enough resources to make a 5km ship in 12 years. The reason why Imperial ships often take so long to build is because many dozens at a time are constructed in each spaceport, and old, destroyed ships are continually salvaged, repaired, cleansed of chaos, and remade, all before factoring in the lengthy rituals and double-checking to make sure every part is in proper order.
@@teabaggins1er seen a comic about that exact scenario also you cant really put the blame on us, all levels of the imperium have fallen to some degree ot religious superstition and my fellow mechanicus brothers tend to hoard the STC for themself. Now excuse me as i have to prove to the inquisiton that im NOT a heretic for sayint this.
@@ivandenisovich6369 one side can keep its soldiers armed with the latest western equipment. The other side gives it's soldiers rusty guns and can't even give it's men socks.
@@angelbabydragon I am unable to pass, as a disciple of Slaanesh. The Chaos God of Desire will give me everlasting pleasure if I follow their will. Or everlasting pain. I have a chronic gambling addiction.
@@deskslam4232 well it is as if you have a passport to pass through a nuclear conflict unscathed… still it takes less time. I go where I need IN TIME with efficiency and no risk of meeting an Ork WAAAGH along the way or an angry Khorny warship. No offense to the Khorne kult.
"Wait where are you going" "To drink blue milk, while flying through real-space at the speed of light without it taking fifty years. Later loser" "Did, did he just retreat, Hah. This doesn't usually happen" Storm trooper who bailed was bold to be a smartass to a space marine. Yet he got away leaving the marine in a state of shock and disbelief.
You do know that they have to go faster than the speed of light. It already takes the sunlight 8 minutes to reach us. I Star Wars they utilize hyperspace which allows them to go over one hundred thousand times faster than the speed of light.
Warp travel doesn't take 50 years. Sending a message to ask for help takes 50 years. The warp travel itself 9/10 is instantaneous to a few hours long at most. But of course, there is always the chance you simply wont make it.
@@tomjordan7606 Im afraid thats wrong warp travel is extremely unreliable and its around a 50/50 that it takes at least a few years before you reach the destination or a few hours
... what? That's not how this was portrayed. He left because the Marine would have demolished him on the ground, but could never catch up to him in space
@@FMHikari not really. Astartes Chapters operate pretty much entirely independant and are highly adaptible. He just calls in to his company tech-marine and they'll get that to him.
@@draochvar9646 depends on the company he's a part of since different companies have entirely different focuses sure there are squads who do other rolls in the company but if he isn't an assault marine he won't get the pack and if his company is like heavy weapons company then he is not getting that jump-pack because that is assault marine use only.
@@jedi-rl1hq Well said. Astartes are doctrine dependent, while Stormtroopers are more versatile despite being less powerful. Stormtroopers get arsenals soom, too, as their deployment ships often have their inventory stocked up for the mission. Astartes on the other hand, are lucky if they get any vehicle at all.
Unlike other SM legions the Ultramarines take an active interest in the government of their worlds, which is why they're likely almost a super power of their own making in the 40k verse. Aye they get hammered and things are likely to move slower than the lightning fast Empire but even if Star Wars ends up on the offensive they'd have to grind through entire world populations that are ready to fight down to the last man reinforced by SMs leading them both strategically and on the battlefield. One or two of their worlds don't even have a surface to bombard into dust since the Tyranids beat them to it. They live out of giant caves. I know I've nerded out here but as one who has read alot from the Chaos perspective one of the worse things you could do when fighting the blueberrys is to underestimate them.
You're as high as the Japanese leadership during WW2 if you think the Empire 'has to' assault heavily fortified imperium worlds rather than just bomb them until they present no credible naval threat and possibly leave a small naval garrison to ensure anyone left in cover beneath the planetary surface never leaves or just, you know, completely avoids those world and hits worlds less well entrenched with an overkill number of naval assets with hilarious local superiority. Or, you know, use any of the many, many superweapon projects they developed even in Disney cannon to avoid potentially messy ground or space combat entirely. Context is key: the Empire was a militarized police state with no credible external threats that was more concerned with knocking down Joe Q. Public and keeping him there than another similar sized polity seeking its destruction through conventional interstellar war. In other words, you're actually seeing the empire explicitly not firing on all cylinders like they would be when fighting someone like the IOM that could apply the external pressure the IOM can. Once Palpy understands the size of the problem, the IOM's only hope of not being consistently defeated conventionally is for them to use their more developed and better special forces to assassinate him and cause the Empire to schism like it did in cannon. A credible and very easy strategy compared to all other options for either side admittedly, but it's still very much the only win con for the IOM because trying to conventionally fight a similarly sized foe that's much more adaptive with much better communications and travel and logistics and that advances at a much faster rate and is much more standardized just isn't a path to victory just isn't it.
@@VunderGuy Issue with that is assuming everything does go smoothly for the Empire. All it would take is one move in space by the IOM to catch the Empire in a surprise boarding action to capture Imperial ships or secure a vessel with functional hyperdrives. I'm sure the Empire could win at a distance in space but once a Terminator boarding squad gets aboard a Star Destroyed I'm not liking the Imperials chances. If and or when that happens it's over for the Imps since despite their techno heresy the IOM aren't beneath using anything to achieve victory even if it damns them. For everything to go perfectly for the Empire you would need somebody like Admiral Thrawn to be running the show and if he's around then somebody like Guilliman could be around too. Not to mention the numerous other threats that groups like Chaos or Tyranid cultists could cause without first hand experience.
@@VunderGuy all it takes is a single navy patrol to stop by at a bad time, or a world with, you know, those stronger defebses you are talking about which is ground to space defenses and void shields that could take sustained bombardment from a full 40k fleet? You know 40k weapons massively out range Star Wars right? And their ships tend to clump a LOT closer due to that, which means a single Nova Cannon round from a cruiser that stopped by to refuel is gonna kill dozens of ships in the blast…
It’s all fun and games until the storm trooper turns around to taunt the Ultramarine one last time and discovers the average space marine can sprint at 45 miles per hour
The imperium may have more firepower (aside from planet killers, which are actually better in star wars) but the sheer logistical, manufacturing, and mobility advantage the empire has straight gives them the W. People often overlook that a large reason why the empire was losing to the rebels was because the entire imperial military was set up for full scale conflicts, not counter guerrilla warfare.
But that isn't why the Empire lost, though, lul. It isnt because of moronic, braindead Internet fanon garbage like this. We...literally SEE, in the movies, nevermind EU, why they lost; Sidious died. Its that simple. The Empire was fundamentally built around him. With him it stands, without him it falls.
The thing is... the sw empire doesn't have counter units to, like, space marines, not to mention that even the guard has better weapons than troopers, and their planet killers literally need to be the size of a moon to work (not counting legends) and are fairly easy to destroy (i mean, why it had a hole DIRECTLY into the core)
@JuanCR the empire doesn't need a counterparts to space marines when they have air superiority and basically all their weapons are armor piercing plasma rifles. And no, even in canon the planet killers don't need to be moon sized, this was clearly shown in ep9 where every ship was a planet killer (as silly as it was, its canon)
@@seemslegit6203 lol you count episode 9, your already off to a bad start. Star wars would not control the air by any means, even the shielded fighters in star wars don't compare to air units in 40k, which you are obviously ignorant of. The imperial guard alone has more types of fighters than the entire star wars universe has, and they all boast a machine spirit bred and augmented for aerial combat both in the void of space or in atmosphere. They often have heavy armor and weapons that would turn atat walkers into plates of metal spaghetti, and that's just the guard. And if you think star destroyers have a chance you obviously haven't watched the movies from your own universe, where simply moving within the radius of their shields leaves them vulnerable to attack, meaning boarding torpedoes filled with thousand year old, battle hardened, super human warriors can just get inside without even having to fire a shot, then paste the entire crew. The one hope for space faring star wars ships would be to retreat from every planet the imperium of man shows up to, their ability to traverse space without the use of the warp being their only true advantage. Though the imperium wouldn't care, much like in any number of the crusades waged by the imperium, you don't need to out maneuver your foe or beat him to the punch if you can simply drop a single bomb and eradicate their entire people planet by planet, until the only option for the enemy is to face you.
@@seemslegit6203 and blasters may use plasma tech but they are designed for combat with soldiers wearing armor that bearly stops a lead bullet. Sure larger laser and blaster weapons may compare with a plasma gun, but the standard readily available blaster doesn't make several entire men explode into a fine red mist the way a plasma gun does. And considering storm trooper armor (storm troopers not even being the standard troops of the empire) isn't really made to repel blaster fire, but instead solid projectiles, I wouldn't try to make the comparison that a blaster could kill space marines, who have a decent chance of surviving legitimate plasma guns anyway. Also have you read star wars lore? Blasters suffer from really pathetic lethal ranges, due to energy loss over distance. Space marines engage at ranges that blasters can't even kill at. The imperial guard lasgun, often referred to as an angry flashlight in 40k, has a lethal range of almost triple the e11. And yet your trying to convice me that a bunch of regular people in white plastic, who couldnt hit one farmboy at 50 meters, have a chance against a marine. If I were you I would stick to the logistics argument made by the stormtroopers in the video, it's realistically the only chance the star wars universe has against the imperium of man, which Is probably one of the only factions in 40k that star wars has a hope of even denting. Because even if the star wars lore breaking myths you just stated were accurate, 40k only has to raise you nids or orks.
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandledude stop coping about your favorite sci-fi universe, I've seen in the 3 comments now and it's just you being pissy over a joke video.
@@LikeZoinksGangWay I sincerely apologize for caring about sci-fi universes and wanting to discuss them with other people. Might I suggest simply not paying attention to my humble comments instead of taking them personally?
well, he dissed the emperor/onmisia, and then talked down about the omnisia's creations. I think the mechanics will enjoy making him a servitor if the inquisition do not get to him first, if he is not first found and killed by a grey knight or any other imperium forces (a sister of battle would probably give him a whole new understanding of a sick burn, or psycher showing how lightning works before showing the show stoper head popper)
Considering how accurate stormtroopers actually are I have a funny feeling that the sister, inquisitor and at least 27 angry techpreists are going to die before they even realise where the stormie was
That is not a fight a basic Baneblade wants to pick, those main cannons on the AT AT can crack it open in a few hits from up to 17kilometers. A Shadowsword however would be a matter of who shoots first
@@ottovonbismarck7646 bane blade has less than half the speed of an At At, with 25 kph top on road speed compared to 60 for tha AT AT. As for armament I would put the Mega Battle cannon roughly on par with the main cannons on an AT AT in terms of raw firepower per shot and possibly even range, but has severely noticeable disadvantages. It’s a munitions based weapon which means it’s not guaranteed to be loaded with the optimal shell type on contact, it’s more susceptible to environmental factors and harder to aim even given the fact that they’re rocket assisted. It’s also a much slower firing weapon and it’s only real advantage is the fact that it’s turreted, although it’s traverse speed isn’t particularly great and At At’s have demonstrated pretty deft maneuvers to bring itself into proper firing arcs, I’d encourage watching the clip of an At At quickly pivoting to shot down a Snowspeeder in Empire Strikes Back. Unless the Baneblade really gets the drop on an Baneblade, in close enough quarters where aiming isn’t as much of an issue and it can bring its demolisher cannon into bear but far enough away where it’s gun can elevate to attack it, it’s generally going to be at a significant disadvantage. Especially since given the height difference the AT AT would generally be firing down onto the top armor of the baneblade, which is as a rule one of the weakest points of a tank’s armor
@@JacatackLP there's no way a at-at is moving that fast, and considering it's narrow cone of fire, and slow traversing speeds, it's still a very one sided fight.
@@ottovonbismarck7646 does it matter if massive bolts of plasma (yes blasters and macro lasers are plasma cannons) are melting it's hull in a couple of shots?
Cadian shock trooper-“oh please Stormtrooper at least we can see out of our helmets. What are you going to do about it, destroy this whole planet? Oh ya you only had two giant ships that could do that. We have thousands. Stormtrooper-“oh ya, but at least our E11 blasters aren’t week like your lasguns” Cadian shock trooper-“our lasguns a]may be week but we use them to take down and win against chaos space marines, demons, huge alien bugs, and horrors you never imagined. All you lot have to fight are walking carpets, insurgents and teddy bears, yet ya still manage to louse. Why not let us have a go at the rebel alliance. We’ll defeat them in under a day mate”
Hahaha oh man that is funny and I can see it going like that, thou Lasguns are not as weak as the memes made them to be and can match and even excel many if not all hand held Blaster guns
@@Full_Moon_Studios hang on, I’ve got another one Rebel trooper-“greetings I’m with the Rebel Alliance we heard you are also in a struggle against a tyrannical empire and have weapons that can be useful to the alliance, we’d like to offer you the chance to join forces and together we can bring down both empires. Chaos cultist-“yes! Together we will kill everyone of those corps worshiping fools. The streets will run red with blood those punny weaklings will make fine sacrifices blood for the blood god Blood For The Blood God BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD BLOOD FOR RHE BLOOD GOD” “Rebel trooper-“ok then, on the second thought perhaps those Tau I heard of Might work better with us, I’m just going to go”
Was at Warhammer world last year and someone was having a game with I think 2 at-ats that were looted and we're stand-ins for squiggoths. Looks exactly how you'd expect and was really cool to see 🤣
@@randomcenturion7264 - Yes, like the Eclipse Class Star Dreadnought, the 17,500 Meter long Dreadnought with a Axial Superlaser mounted on the front of it, along with over a thousand guns placed on it as well.
To be fair ultramar has its own titans and knight houses so the ultramarines are probably the only chapter of space marines who could actually just call to have a titan deployed. But requardles given that an at-st is handily despatched by a single grenades in the rear compartment a few bolter shots would probably take it out anyways.
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle Why would I give you a 'valid objection' when you not only have utterly failed to even vaguely address anything I have said in any other thread, but haven't actually made a single real argument AT ALL beyond just brainlessly asserting any number of asisne claims (like the above, for instance)...? You get what you put in, and in your case, you have put in precisely...nothing. You, therefore, get nothing. Well, bar my continued mockery and laughter, I suppose. You're attempts at snark are shit, just to clarify.
The stormtrooper just leaving his AT-AT behind won't even affect the Empire, they'll just produce a thousand more. The Imperium leaving behind a titan would be leaving behind an ancient, irreplaceable artifact. Most of them are over 10000 years old, building new ones is theoretically possible, but takes centuries(and even then, they can only build inferior ones, as much of the old technology is long forgotten)
@@alejandroelluxray5298 The Astartes are much different from the Astra Millatarum, in the sense they can requisition whatever they want, whenever they want. The most they're waiting for, is like 6 weeks
@@blacktemplar1139 surely its longer if they are already in the battlefield to my knowledge it often takes around that time just to get from the mandeville point to the battlefield
@@beanward_xd527 At most it's a few years, and that's only if the warp says "Kark you" which is fairly rare. Managing a company of 100 is millions more easy than managing a regiment of 1,000,000
stormtrooper : "Your walkers take centuries to arrive" Imperial knight freeblade who just so happened to pass by that system : "Thats where you're wrong peasant"
At least the AT-AT isn't going to fry my brain if the "Machine Spirit" doesn't like me or give me trauma from the cries of the dead past users howling in pain.
What folks seem to forget is that while yes the Imperium crushes the Empire in ground battles, the Empire absolutely crushes the Imperium in naval warfare. In the time it takes the Imperium to build 1 Battleship the Empire has built a couple dozen Star Destroyers with full compliments of escort fleets, fighters, bombers, and supply ships. Additionally hyperspace travel and FTL communications means the Empire can be anywhere at any time and the Imperium just outright can’t catch them. With probe droids any Imperial ship that falls out of the Warp away from the rest of the fleet has maybe a few hours at best before it’s jumped and torn apart like a buffalo fighting a pack of lions. Even if the Imperium can draw the Empire out into an open naval battle it still loses, because while an Imperial ship has enough firepower to take down a Star Destroyer, they simply cannot bring said firepower online fast enough compared to the Star Destroyer. And of course TIE fighters and bombers make absolute jokes out of their Imperial counterparts. They’re faster, more maneuverable, pack comparable firepower, and they are vastly cheaper to produce.
Gotta agree. But even with the ground battles it's only when the Imperium brings in something like titans, SMs, Librarians, etc. The average stormtrooper bodies the average guardsman. And the average tank is MUCH faster and a decent amount stronger than the average... well... literal tank... that the Imperium has.
On top of all that the Galactic Empire can counter Warp Travel with Interdictor technology. While that seems odd since Imperium ships travel through the warp we actually see that Orkz can use Interdiction fields to pull Imperium ships out of the warp for ambushes, meaning the Empire can catch entire Imperium fleets out of position and open fire while the crews are disoriented.
@@azureheart2846 I'd say a squad of like five commandos (average commandos, not the ones you play as in the game) would be comparable to the average space marine. Gotta remember they took the best bounty hunter in the Galaxy, game them roids, then trained em from childbirth. Granted I'd ironically say Jango and Boba are multiple levels above pretty much any clone... but still.
@@azureheart2846an average Clone Trooper would probably be equivalent to a Cadian or Catachans. While more elite clone legions like the 501st or Galactic Marines would be closer to Cadian Shock.
300 years and 1 day later. A massive emperor class titan slams onto the planet creating a destructive Shockwave that pulverized everything in a mile's radius. Tech support has arrived! And just like that, they are done.
@@Internecion it was the most direct things I could compare to an imperial titans. now I guess it would be the yuzan vhong killer droids against a necron. cause iirc they at least sound somewhat similar to each other. who knows, maybe the extra mobility might help
as a fan of both warhammer 40k and star wars, i think that the imperium would definitely win on the ground, but the empire would definitely rock the imperium in space battles
@@blacktemplar1139and what is the battle barge going to do? Get swarmed by dozens of star destroyers, along with hundreds- thousands of tie fighters? I seriously doubt marines could even fit in a star destroyers halls if they boarded, with their massive stature and exaggerated armor. A battle barge has amazing weapons, but as we have seen with like the indomitus crusade, they are heavily susceptible to death by a thousand cuts. The empire could easily manage mustering a larger fleet, and simply drowning the navy
"Logistics don't matter" *That's where you lose* Logistics always matter and that's why entire chapters of the art of war by Sun Tzu are dedicated to logistics. The imperium of man does best when they already have their forces built up and focused in an enemy.
When you study the whole scriptures(dive down Star Wars EU rabbit holes) you see it wasn't the rebellion defeating the empire as it was the Republic momentuming back into existence
Definitely clicked on this video expecting to see a bad ass space marine taking down a struggling AT-AT single handedly. Thanks for the video! "They're... they're highly important artifacts!" 🙌 1:58 😂
When we are going to get a hazard stormtrooper vs space marine vid? (For those don’t know, hazard stormtrooper or ‘hazard troopers’ are legends era stormtroopers are well… stormtrooper “space marines”) Also awesome video
In star wars they don't fly at light speed, hyperdrive is a system that takes them into hyperspace witch is like a separate layer of space, otherwise when flying though normal space at high speeds a peace of rock or debris the size of a marble can tear a hold in your ship
Both universes are terrific and deserve their fans. In a one on one, the Galactic Empire gives the Imperium a good krumpin’ every time. Their logistical efficiency, capacity for faster-than-light realspace travel, bureaucratic top-down uniformity and the active involvement of their Emperor are all incredible advantages. Not to mention their ability to produce whatever they put their mind to without first searching out STCs to be able to do so. The bottom line: the Empire is a galactic force on the rise, while the Imperium is one in the grip of decline. The Empire also has access to the greatest commander: Thrawn. I’d imagine that Thrawn at the helm of the peak Empire would even give the 41st Millennium Necrons a run for their money. In any case, funny video!
Except for the fact that no matter how far the Imperium declines, no matter how inefficient, it can never fail. The imperium reason that the imperium hasn’t fallen is the remnants of its previous might, it has access to technology that will last for tens of millennia and can destroy star systems, it has trillions of citizens on millions of planets, a battle in single system in 40k contains more soldiers than all of Star Wars combined. The inefficient bureaucracy doesn’t matter when it is literally too big to fail. Thrawn is displayed as a genius but saying that literally anyone in Star Wars could beat even a single half decent planetary defence force is stupid. In 40k the most basic of weapons that are given to tens of millions are equivalent to Star Wars’ anti tank weaponry. The strongest ship in the empire doesn’t hold a candle to the Imperium’s void shields, macros and lances. The Necrons’ weakest weapon breakdown atoms, their “super weapon” the celestial orrey allows them to literally control all stars in the galaxy. If the Necrons wished they could destroy any non immortal force in either fictional universe. The imperium used to be at an equivalent level, Star War and 40k cannot be compared. At least Star Trek and 40k have similar levels of technology, Star Wars is but a child in comparison.
@@yonneye2427 Having studied both universes for a long time, I have to say your thoughts on technological imbalance are quite off. I don’t believe the blasters in Star Wars are any weaker than lasguns, and the same could be said of Turbolasers compared to Titan or warship weaponry in 40k. In what way are void shields entirely superior to force fields in Star Wars? Or Ray shields? If you factor in Legends, the powers of the force give a decisive edge to the Empire as well, as Sidious would be more than capable of ravaging entire fleets with force storms. In any case, the Necrons almost certainly have the edge versus any other faction, but in the current setting their division makes them vulnerable, or at least not overwhelming as they otherwise would be. The celestial orrery is an interesting note, but irrelevant. They have yet to use it for a reason - the consequences to the Necrons themselves, indeed the stability of realspace, would be far too dire to be used except in the face of extinction.
@@emperornapoleon6204 Blasters create tiny little puffs when they hit something, turbo lasers take multiple hits to take down a building. Lasrifles blow giant chunks out of any unarmored surface they hit, most titan weaponry above scout titans can level small parts of a hive city with relative ease. Most ships from the more specialized factions in the Imperium can purge or even destroy entire planets in mere moments, singular macro cannon shots are larger than many smaller Star Wars ships. These also aren’t just small ships they have the population of towns or small cities. If the Necrons were actually losing they’d bring out their big guns, the celestial orrery was only an example of their power. A single mid sized Necron dynasty has plenty of less galaxy destroying weapons that could easily destroy any weapon the Empire could control, the Necrons even had a better version of the Death Star. Political instability and division cannot be used against 40k factions without also applying it to the Empire, the moffs are hardly cooperative outside their particular sector(s) not to the empire can’t keep a tiny little rebellion at bay. The Imperium does absolutely everything they can to survive 40k, the Empire wouldn’t last a second.
@@yonneye2427 the thing is you look Disney canon and movies. Actuall SW univers is very much on par with WH40K. Well at least the Old Republic and Yuuzhan Vong is.
@@oliwierbroda2575 Which has absolutely nothing to do with the empire. Yuuzhan Vong pales in comparison to the Tyranids(not the best comparison, but they’re the closest thing). I’d also like to mention that technology barely changes in SW past Old republic, so the argument about 40k tech being stagnant is a moot point. I’ve seen nothing in EU(both canon and decanonized) that makes me believe that the Empire’s baseline is anywhere close to 40k factions. Especially the Necrons.
Tbf the heavy blaster on an At-AT is power wise somewhere above a heavy plasma cannon but below Tank mounted plasma weapons in 40k they would most likely kill the marine and horribly maim him at the minimum. On the flip side a Leman Russ Executionor tank would slag an AT-AT in one shot and a melta bomb to the legs should be enought to criple them
@@grizzlyblackpowder1960 like nobody survive AT-AT hit in Star Wars. Like it's laser cannons one shoted a armored building. They would destroy a space marine without a doubt and honestly most of Warhammer smaller vehicles as well. Like Warhammer has crazier stuffs but in general technological And weapon power level there isn't really a big diffference between Star Wars And W40k.
Definitely not, Bolters can usually only penetrate lightly armored vehicles and usually not even them reliably from all angles. Melta gun from close range though might start getting some results
the logistics * only survives 34 years, destroys an entire planet with all its valuable resources just to piss of some girl, defeated by random rebels and teddy bears *
@@Engifarting456 lmao yes! Meanwhile The Impreium Of Man: Aight fellas you see that planet corrupted by Chaos... I don't want to see it anymore so order Exterminatus. Edit: The empire only destroyed like 2 planets, while the Imperium has annihilated probably dozens
@@Engifarting456 I don’t think you know what the word “logistics” means. The Empire lost because the Emperor died, at which point it largely destroyed itself in internal struggles while the New Republic sponsored and came to the aid of rebellions and began taking the Galaxy piecemeal.
@@JacatackLP during his death, his troops were massacred by teddy bears with primitive traps and on space by rebels also in the death star 2 some assassin droids were about to take over the galactic empire, if only lando didnt destroyed the death star with this other dude
"HEY, GUYS! BRING THE THING!" "Where are you going?" (Misses with an AT-AT being tossed at the Space Marine) "Ha! You still missed me!" "HEY, GUYS! WE MISSED! GET ANOTHER!"
While the imperiums massive size is a strength it also a weakness because once the empire has a way to reliably kill titans like the Tau their gonna be at the a disadvantage cause unlike the Tau the empire has the size and the logical power to give the imperium a spanking
The issue with the Empire is that they relied too much on fearmongering over actual military power. That’s why the Death Star was prioritised over Thrawn’s TIE defender. Tarkin didn’t care about actual military so long as the people were too scared to fight back. Now if Thrawn or some other military general was in charge, I can at least say they would do really well and give the Imperium a run for their money.
@@evanlight2550 indeed thrawn being the head of the campaign would truly make the imperium consider a peace option but I do believe that the average imperial officer is more competent than your average imperium office plus the imperiums reaction to threats is slower due to the warp being unpredictable and slower than hyperspace travel
From any starwars games ive played the storm troopers were worse off in every way from the clone troopers from tech to training It seemed like the empires entire military budget went into its death star and everything was downhill from there Id honestly question the empires ability to even defeat Russia let alone a whole planet of people who actually use kinetic weaponry Imagine a jedi deflecting a 50 cal bullet back either from a sniper a mile away of 1500 of them in a minute And I've seen stormtrooper armor defeated by a blind monks stick so i could prolly take one down with my sling shot and some basic traps Litterally all star wars has is the force and jus takes one psyker to summon a horde of demons and now what Like at least weird boyz can me eads explode, or even regular orks can go faster by being red, or mash together giant mechs from spare parts Vader jus has finger neck pinches and cant even fix his fking respirator
@@jessikablake4784Nah, lore wise, stormtrooper Armor is impervious to kinetic weaponry as well are spaceships shields. At first they used kinetic weaponry and more specifically rail gun tech. But shielding and Armor technology became so efficient that they had to go for energy based weapons. In the modern era of SW, kinetic weaponry is still useless. I have several sources about that if you want
@@jessikablake4784 - You forget to mention that same stormtrooper took like five shots to the chest in the span of a few seconds by a blind possible force user. Vaders armor was deliberately built with flaws by Palps so he could take him down easier and make him more scary. And the Imperium has the biggest set of plot armor around, The Empire doesn't.
Hahahaha oh man this was good and hope we get some good 40K Imperial Guard vs SW Stormtrooper videos and hey maybe the IG comments on how Clone Troopers are better then SW Stormtroopers
Man, that Stormtrooper was straight fire with his burns. But he's right, the Empire does have better logistics. They built a Death Star in less than 20 years, and almost did it again, much larger, in less than half the time as the first one. Not to mention all the things the Stormtrooper roasted him about, STCs, FTL, the Mechanicum, everything was so true amd straight fire all around.
40k doesn't have better guns, bolters are actually pretty shit, lasguns are straight ass, to the point where guardsmen use modern day body armor and they still fail, while stormtrooper armor can tank multiple shots from guns that cook the insides of targets, letting the user survive them so long as it's not from a hero character
@@calebbarnhouse496 - And don’t forget that every faction (baring the Orks, Nids, and Dark Eldar sometimes) have better weapons then the Imperium on average. Necrons have their Gauss weapons that can OHK you if it hits anywhere near your torso, Eldar weapons are just scary to read about with how brutal they are, Dark Eldar weapons are generally built to cause mass suffering with each hit, and the Tau have the best range around.
@@doctorcorvus1319 yea, but 40k fans put the imperium as the only faction they give a fuck about, so using the other factions would be like trying to figure out which would win a war, umabra or the wookies
@@calebbarnhouse496 - Umbara, fighting on the planet alone is a nightmare for those who can’t see in the dark that well, and their vehicles are monsters to fight without knowing how to take it out.
It's actually a good point, many people immediately will say 40k wins everything but then forget to mention how terrible it can be to get any of those powerhouses to your assault, sure Star Wars may have the overall weaker tech but at least they have reliable FTL and faster to replace vehicles and such
I see a lot of people down play Star Wars tech but it's honestly not too far from the imperium in the 42nd millennium, and if we considered legends content I would say the Star wars universe could go toe to toe with the Imperium but would still likely loose simply because of the sheer size of the IoM.
@@merafirewing6591 The IoM would definitely loose some ships but I doubt they would be "irreplaceable" the only ships that would not be able to get replaced would be a couple special ships and I doubt those would even be lost considering how tanky they are, I doubt the empire could destroy "The Rock" and any normal ships can be reproduced as long as they have the proper STC'S.
@@LikeZoinksGangWay It still would be a very long drawn out conflict which is very interesting. Damn it be very cool to see how the Death Star would fair against the IoM.
Stormy: what. Is. That? It has a chanisaw for an arm?! Why? Spass mahren: because why not? It is going To intimidate The crap out of you when it saws your puny camel in half.
Don't exagerate, depending also in the size and what are you talking about like imperial knights are among most fast but among most small of the titans and this is also because are made to be durable and dangerous when eldars titans are not so durable but are very fast and to you said everything what is wrong, humans are still enough fast but is i think faster at running than orks when space marine can run with average speed of 60km per houer but they can run faster at 100km per houer but not none stop like at the normal speed and eldars like their vehicles and daemons and psykers are out of question because they ignore the laws of logic. Back to my point about imperial knights is to imperial knights walk faster and can also sprint like hound titans what are very fast who can also sprint and i think you understand to they can destroy an AT-AT without to be something too fancy. But talking about faster than light travel is to depends because to with warp travel you won't reach your destination in hundreds of years because the noble navigator will navigate making to reach his destination in a few days if is hard to travel because of a warp storm or something but they can reach also the destination even before it had even leave like you are going somewhere and you arrive much more soon because the time don't exist in the warp and plus to is corrupted can make you to go too soon or too late if you don't have a navigator to know how to travel to arrive at the good moment not too soon or too late.
The marine could have just called in one of the newly invented Astraeus Super-Heavy grav tanks. No need to bring Titans into it. Also sure, warp travel can usually take months to get across the galaxy, but it can also mean you arrive at your destination, but it can also sometimes get you there before you left, because hell doesn't understand how time works.
*the ATAT shoots and destroys the tank* ATATs can destroy heavily armored ATTEs in a few hits, guys that were so heavily armored that in initial deployment the best way the CIS had to take them out was roll forward droids that fired hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of missiles (roughly the equivalent of an ATTE in cost) and hope they hit the weaker points that only a guided missile could hit
@@calebbarnhouse496 _"the ATAT shoots and destroys the tank"_ What tanks ? These ? "In many sectors, overloaded Earth caste reactors had been remotely detonated, sending huge mushroom-shaped clouds towering upwards. In other regions, swarms of missiles so thick they blotted out the sun came down, the explosions hot enough to turn the sand below to blackened glass for miles around the epicentres of the blasts. Flesh was evaporated, steel twisted and melted beyond recognition. *Yet not everything was destroyed in the maelstorm.* Lumbering across blackened and flame-scorched sands came the Imperial Guards most impervious vehicles, the hulking super-heavy tanks. They churned forward, each a mobile fortress, as indomitable as the Imperium itself. Turrets bearing enormous cannons swivelling in scarch of retribution. Behind them strode Imperial Knights, their ion shields flickering. Shadowsun's counter-attack had kept its distance from the blast zone, and was only now racing towards the front. However, there were Tau assets already in place. Bulwarks of armour and shields, the KV128 ballistic suits had stood silent sentry while the desert exploded. Now they came alive, swivelling at the waist to align shoulder-mounted weapons, locking onto the tanks moving across the burning sands. Like clashing gods of war, the super-heavies unleashed their prodigious arsenals - cutting loose with firepower whose *single shots could shatter mountains."* *-War Zone Damocles: Mont'ka (Campaing, chapter "When Gods Of War Clash")* Multiple nuclear explosions can't do shit to Baneblades which are comparable in power and defense to Astraeus Super-Heavy grav tanks. And Baneblades can also dish out mountain-destroying shots. What the hell At-Ats are gonna do to this ?
I was expecting it to be a contest of an astartes against the AT-AT machine, ending in him ripping off one of the walker's legs. Instead we got a Monty-Python style French Taunting. Not what I was expecting. Extra points for the taunting all being essentially true.
The comments here have made me realize that the Empire could actually not only survive the wrath of the Imperium, but topple it altogether with something such as Starkiller base since they can fire halfway across the galaxy giving them the chance to take down Terra and the Astronimicon which would cause the Imperium to fall. Would the Empire survive afterwards against the rest of the galaxy or any actual battles with the Imperium? No it would not.
Eh nobody fights on even terms in this fight. People get to pick and choose what timeframe/canon it pulls stuff from for the Empire but not for the Imperium. They are stuck in 40k in a state of stagnation. Fuck that, I'm choosing 30k Imperium at the hight of its power. With the Emporor and all Primarchs with the full scale Space Marine armies only seen in 30k pre Horus Heresy. They make the 40k Imperium an embarrassing mess. Let alone 30k mechanicum that isnt against true innovation unlike 40k. If all it takes is a single Jedi some friends and a small resistance to beat the Empire in any iteration give me the Emperor his Primarchs and a small resistance and its GG Easy. People can talk big guns and wars all they want but at the end of the day no matter how strong the Empire is they lost twice to a jedi with some friends and a small resistance. The Imperium barely survived the Horus Heresy and continued to survive for over 10k years against multiple external and internal threats. The Empire didn't even survive 100 years.
@@brandonvallier4214the empire didn't survive 100 years, it's true and it's mostly because Sidious was an idiot, the Republic he couped had existed for 25000 years
@@brandonvallier4214 That's because people argue with the favorite version of each. The most popular version of the Imperium is the current one, and the most popular version of the Empire is its late period ranging from The Return of the Jedi to the novels and comics in the Expanded Universe because for decades those were the stories we grew up on. First of all, it's not that a Jedi and his friends toppled the Empire. It's too big to be erased just like that. The issue with the Empire is Palpatine is more interested in himself than the Empire. It existed in the EU only as a means of gaining control in order to have an army and the Death Stars ready for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion which he knew was coming. Which was only done because his primary goal is immortality. It's not that a rando jedi was able to beat the Empire, it's that Palpatine banked on being able to turn Luke, and it didn't happen, and with out Palpatine, the Empire splinters immediately. But even with his (repeated) deaths in the EU, the Empire did survive and remains the most dominant (albeit no longer maniacally evil) faction in the galaxy hundreds of years later. Which is where the EU left off when Disney acquired the property. As far as I can tell, at that point in the timeline Super Stardestroyers are their main ship of the line, so they'd doing pretty well for themselves. I'd actually recommend consuming the old Expanded Universe material. It's very good, and significantly better than the Disney material they tried to replace it with. I would say the Mandalorian and the other new shows have done a pretty good job of fleshing out that the Empire didn't just instantly vanish after the loss of the Death Star II, as the Sequel Trilogy more or less implies, but it's kinda sad that we had to wait this long to find out what actually happened in the new timeline.
@@CteCrassus Thats neat. Astartes have been killed in duels with ordinary humans and by wooden spears. See, see, mummy? I can nitpick examples to further my agenda, too! Now are you ready to put on your big boy pants and use your brain, or...?
At-At: Has the fire power to destroy a 90 meter transport ship, has shields(battleftont 2 their shields are impenetrable until their taken down) able to tank ground, and speeder based laser cannons(stronger than blaster cannons which are on par or stronger than hans blaster). Their armor had a tensile strength of 60,000- 130,000 psi. By the time palpatine was resurrected in legends at-ats used light turbolasers. The T-21 light repeating blaster fires the plasma bolt equivalent of a 22.5-30mm bullet from a guass rifle. Mercenaries using light blaster cannons shot through 4 inches of plasteel. T-21
The onlt way a space marine can beat an ATAT is if he fought a single one and started the fight flanking it, and there was no onboard crew, so the space marine could just sit on it's feet pouting as he waits for the humans inside to die of old age
Kinda takes away from the Imperium because I look at stuff and think: “Wait, didn’t that one series make something similar to this?” more often then I like.
"while flying through real-space at the speed of light without it taking fifty years" yea about that some times its negative years so you arrive before you even left.
Unfortunately all this really shows with the stormtrooper remark about "jumping to lightspeed" is that SOMEONE doesn't know how hyperspace works in star wars. It's basically 40k, with less daemons and more functional failsafes built in to avoid mishaps. Still got daemons though.
The thing is Star Wars has never been clear about that. There are often remarks by characters about programming the nav computer to avoid flying into a star or something. So if they really are entering into some sort of other dimension or whatever why would it be necessary to navigate around planetary bodies? Even if it isn't entirely true because of the lack of clarity I just decided that Star Wars basically doesn't leave real space. Especially when compared to Warhammer.
@@Full_Moon_Studios actually it is covered in the old star wars lore. If you want a tl:dr, warp drive is actually based on retrofitted rakatan tech and design. The old drives could only travel to dark side nexi, and required a darkside adept to navigate and operate the drive not unlike a 40k navigator, but with a much higher reliance. 26k years later and the new hyperdrives can be run by anyone. The problem of "scattering" in hyperspace comes from gravity, since you're using a parallel dimension to reduce mass and travel ftl. Issue being that if you hit something that is solid while you're superaccellerated and molecularly unstable... Well. To use a 40k term, warpdust. Therefore there is an old hardcoded rakatan failsafe that forces the ship out of hyperspace if it detects a gravity well. That's how/why star wars interdiction/gravitywell generator tech works. It's actually a really interesting part of the lore that's very rarely touched on outside of the EU! At least, interesting to me.
@@Dymose Looks like I'm not the nerdiest guy in the room anymore. But that's actually really interesting I wish Disney would have kept more of the old expanded universe lore.
It's funny that for all the clear advantages of the Star Wars universe in terms of logistics, it would still crumble under the sheer size of the Imperium. It would be a very, very slow crawl, just the way Kreig likes it
@@calebbarnhouse496 The star wars universe so far include 2455 planets (quick google search), while that is a lot, it's not millions of worlds. Dont even know your stuff, don't google once, just type and hope nobody checks.
@@calebbarnhouse496 one: hiveworlds. the sheer density of those things... two: isn't the Imperium like, *a million worlds?* I never really checked on the demographics of Staw Wars, but places like Coruscant where the entire planet is one big city are the exception, not the rule. And even then, they're not as populated as 40K worlds. The Astra Militarum thives have to draft a lot of people so they can reliably use their *wall of lasguns* strategies three: it still doesn't changes the fact they would be slowly crushed. That joke about the AdMech? true, but the Space Marine can literally wait 300 years, and one Imperial Titan would probably enough to cripple any Empire forces.
Storm Trooper is talking mad shit for a guy on a team whose Death-Star got blown up because they couldn't figure out how to close off/protect 1 exhaust vent. 2nd one didn't fair much better. Gonna judge them by the enemies they defeat (or get defeated by) rather than their plot device for space travel.
So we’re doing the The Empire (with no plot armor) vs The Imperium ( plot armor) thing? Also wouldn’t more people join The Empire? Ya know, the human supremacy empire with better living conditions then the Imperium as a whole?
I gotta say, I respect Rogue One a lot for filling in that horrid piece of a plot hole. It makes so much more sense with the port being basically sabotage.
@@doctorcorvus1319 it's a small exhaust port in a station that is so large and powerful that the empire literally disbanded the only thing that held the people in line because they knew that people would think resistance is hopless, it took the most powerful force user not protecting it to land the shot with guided munitions, if the imperium were to fight the deathstar they'd first take 700 years to find the weapon, then they'd spend a year getting forces into place if they did it the quick way, and even if they did get it in open combat and delt enough damage to peirce the shield, then the deathstar would just jump into hyperspace, completely fine
@@calebbarnhouse496 - Actually, any rabid fan of 40K would say they’d just exterminatus it like it was going out of style. Actually now that I just said it, that’s the one thing they always say to kill something
"You see the difference between lthe empirium and the covenant is that the covenant don't see not charging in headfirst as dishonorable. They see it as fucking stupid"
Considering that for the most part everything gets where it's needed when it's needed in the Imperium, the Administratum is actually pretty damn amazing.
@@andrewgreeb916 No I mean, when is the last time lore mentioned the IG running out of ammo or fuel? If it's ever been mentioned, it was probably described as units cut off from supply rather than a logistical issue. They keep the ball rolling continuously galaxy wide despite their form of transportation involving both time travel and the gods dwelling in the Warp actively screwing with them.
These make me want to see the Ultramarine argue with other big name soldiers. Like imagine he gets into an arguement with a Spartan II over who's better
It would actually be an interesting discussion, since Space Marines are Sloppy Seconds of Sloppy Seconds, whereas Spartan IIs and IV are carefully crafted pieces of transhumanism, and in the case of IIs, the true next step of human evolution.
@@grizzlyblackpowder1960they're not wrong, the process to make Spartans was a lot closer to the one to make Custodes, not saying they're at that level, not remotely close but the process to make astartes is quite brutal and unrefined in comparison
Well... As a 40k fan, I would also prefer to travel in real space at lightspeed, instead of going literally through hell, without certainty of even getting to my destination in the same timeline as I departed.
Thanks for watching everyone! Again, I'm surprised by how well this did. And I appreciate all the comments both the positive as well as the negative ones. Also, the amount of Star Wars vs Warhammer debates that these videos spark in the comments is hilarious.
I'm a big Warhammer fan and I really enjoyed your Warhammer vs star wars videos, you should make necrons vs star wars battle Droids or general grievous that would be pretty funny
@@dakotah1330 I like that. It's definitely going in my notes.
It'd be funny see a continuety crossover, the empire would almost certainly be turned by choas cultists into with their level of corruption, especially the sith, sith demons would happen 😂
"You can't take a piss without missing"
I died ! 😂😅🤣😁
@@krixpop Funny thing I got that from a meme comic of a stormtrooper missing a urinal. I thought it was hilarious and had to add it.
The irony of an Ultramarine saying "Logistics don't matter" is hilarious to me.
The irony of anyone from the IOM saying that is hilarious to me.
I mean, he's a Primaris, s~o.
Guilliman: "....you are no longer my son."
@@VunderGuy what is IOM?
@@olgagaming5544 Imperium Of Mankind i imagine
"logistics don't matter"
The ultramarines obviously sent this failure alone to die in battle, hopefully restoring some honor in the process.
Agreed
He brings shame to his Primarch.
Bobby G woke from his slumber just to slap this guy and tell him the codex astarstes doesn t support what he says.
Yeah, if the atat was the only enemy why not put the drop pod right into its back let the marine run through its guts like Arby's.
and the storm trooper didn't even let him have that.
"Sure you want to wait 300 years while they put you on hold?" Space Marine should have just said "I can. Can you?"
stoorm trooper: "Ofcourse not i would die of bordom before that mech is even assigned to help"
@@emlo40 "lol, lmao" -custodes assigned for 1500 years in guard duty
I (storm trooper) would have said something like "No but at that point might as well kill your enemies with OLD AGE... which doesn't seem sooooo cool." lol
@@christopherross9509 To word it better: "So you guys win fights with empty threats as walls while old age and boredom do the work instead?"
@Lord Pumpkinhead perhaps
"So, you guys win fights with empty threats; while old age, and boredom both do the work instead?"
As a 40k fan, gotta give it to the Stormtrooper. He got his ass with logistics bomb.
Thing is, a marine does not need a titan to take down a transport that a fancy snowmobile can kill.
@@RocRolDis Amen to that, but the marine got a bit roasted there neverthless :D
gotta agree with ya, my boy trooper just roasted the marine to bits
@@ouromov2895 Roasted like Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru.
Funny thing is, Space Marines have the best logistics in the entire Imperium since they're designed to be extremely mobile and self-sufficient, and Ultramarines in particular have the best logistics of the entire Adeptus Astartes, with the possible exception of the Imperial Fists.
"Roided up teenagers with daddy issues". Sounds about right for half of 40k lore and the entirety of the horus heresy
Especially with the primarc
*HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS!*
Isn't the whole reason why the Empire exists I cuz of Order 66 carries out by
"Roided up teenagers with daddy issues"
@@johntorreto4485 When you actually stop to think about it, the Clone Wars was essentially one droid army against another.
@@johntorreto4485 well the clones dont have daddy issues, they just have all the other issues (and probably daddy issues but those would be focussed on daddy fett, hence the mandalorian references in their "culture" and mostly their armor personalization)
Stormtrooper: Retreats.
Space Marine: Wait, that’s illegal!
Thats reallt illegal where their commisar?
Storm troopers almost never Retreat thanks to the emperor
@@starkiller169 Oh please, like Palpatine would get off his ass. Face it, Vader's Stormtroopers and fleet are the only competent fighting force the Empire has because he kills all the incompetent idiots who come near him.
@Lachlan Bold But isn't there a doctrine where every soldier Never retreats and doesn't give 1st aid to other soldiers
@@starkiller169 That's the first order. I think.
As a Warhammer 40K fan, I can safely say that the logistics of the Imperium and its technological development is a nightmare (thanks Mechanicus).
It’s like trying to use online chat tech support with dial up internet just to get a reference/case number for call back within 800 business days
Actually, taking into account the challenges that keeping together an empire of a million planets entails in a universe where travel and communications have to go through literal hell, the fact that it's *only* a nightmare is pretty damn impressive. The Imperium has *excellent* logistics for the circumstances.
Yep, for every 1 Imperial Navy ship there's 99 similarly-sized civilian commerce ships, often nearly-automated and taking short pre-planned jumps through the warp instead of the faster, but more perilous journeys military forces have to take. Then there's all the system defense ships around every planet, which cannot go FTL but make up for it with heavier weapons for their size, and the fact that even feudal planets with minimal guidance (every month put X tons of material at the spaceport to sacrifice to the god in the sky) can mine enough resources to make a 5km ship in 12 years. The reason why Imperial ships often take so long to build is because many dozens at a time are constructed in each spaceport, and old, destroyed ships are continually salvaged, repaired, cleansed of chaos, and remade, all before factoring in the lengthy rituals and double-checking to make sure every part is in proper order.
As soon as the mechanicus get their hands on an STC with MS Excel it's over
@@teabaggins1er seen a comic about that exact scenario
also you cant really put the blame on us, all levels of the imperium have fallen to some degree ot religious superstition and my fellow mechanicus brothers tend to hoard the STC for themself. Now excuse me as i have to prove to the inquisiton that im NOT a heretic for sayint this.
did that ultra marine just say ''logistics don't matter"'. thats not an ultramarine thats Alpharuis
But I AM alpharius.
he can't be Alpharius, I'M Alpharius.
@@PeterMcleod117 Wait, I thought I was Alpharius!
That's not even Alpharius, that's more like an Ork.
I am Alfalfarius! 🤪
As I live and breathe.
The imperium actually lost an argument.
I felt it was only fair to give Star Wars a win.
This comment here Inquisitor.
They lost what? All I hear is the sound of an impending exterminatus
@@insectslayer1374 - Because if they can’t win anything they’ll just exterminatus it
@@insectslayer1374 The Star Wars Imperium fell by Rebel forces in the time they would need to send a fleet over...
"The logistics don't matter," said everyone who ever lost a war.
*Cough* Germans in WW2 and Ukrainians. *Uncouth*
@@VunderGuy I think you mean Russians
@@VunderGuy i mean ukrainians litrally relys ob forign logestics of weapons
@@darthvendar6841 which side needs an entire alliance worth of armaments and foreign aid to keep fighting?
@@ivandenisovich6369 one side can keep its soldiers armed with the latest western equipment. The other side gives it's soldiers rusty guns and can't even give it's men socks.
Yeah this is likely a 1 - 1
Stellar travel in Star Wars takes less time then in 40k and it lots less dangerous. You know… the warp.😳
I prefer the warp for the chance to die by snu-snu.
@@deskslam4232 The chance of snu-snu is likely 0.1% the rest is pure agony. I will pass.
@@angelbabydragon I am unable to pass, as a disciple of Slaanesh. The Chaos God of Desire will give me everlasting pleasure if I follow their will. Or everlasting pain. I have a chronic gambling addiction.
@@deskslam4232 well it is as if you have a passport to pass through a nuclear conflict unscathed… still it takes less time. I go where I need IN TIME with efficiency and no risk of meeting an Ork WAAAGH along the way or an angry Khorny warship. No offense to the Khorne kult.
@angelbabydragon Offense to the Orks and their WAAAGH's though?
"Wait where are you going"
"To drink blue milk, while flying through real-space at the speed of light without it taking fifty years. Later loser"
"Did, did he just retreat, Hah. This doesn't usually happen"
Storm trooper who bailed was bold to be a smartass to a space marine.
Yet he got away leaving the marine in a state of shock and disbelief.
You do know that they have to go faster than the speed of light. It already takes the sunlight 8 minutes to reach us.
I Star Wars they utilize hyperspace which allows them to go over one hundred thousand times faster than the speed of light.
Warp travel doesn't take 50 years. Sending a message to ask for help takes 50 years. The warp travel itself 9/10 is instantaneous to a few hours long at most. But of course, there is always the chance you simply wont make it.
@@tomjordan7606 Im afraid thats wrong warp travel is extremely unreliable and its around a 50/50 that it takes at least a few years before you reach the destination or a few hours
@@nobody3761 - So basically useless?
@@doctorcorvus1319 Basically...Yes
Love how the Stormtrooper left because he was bored out of his mind with the Astartes.
... what? That's not how this was portrayed. He left because the Marine would have demolished him on the ground, but could never catch up to him in space
@@Ynox54321 Well, the Stormtrooper seemed so goddamn bored.
@@Ynox54321 he left cause he needed to make a point XD
@@weasel003gaming7 bored of having weak lore maybe.
Lets face it an Ultrasmurf would bore anybody. 🤪
"Come down here and face me!"
"Nope. Not leaving my safespace mech."
"That's okay, I'll just go up to you."
Marine puts on a Jump Pack.
He gotta wait on the logistics folks to provide it, though
@@FMHikari not really. Astartes Chapters operate pretty much entirely independant and are highly adaptible. He just calls in to his company tech-marine and they'll get that to him.
@@draochvar9646 and get it done within 150 years and not 300! What a steal!
@@draochvar9646 depends on the company he's a part of since different companies have entirely different focuses sure there are squads who do other rolls in the company but if he isn't an assault marine he won't get the pack and if his company is like heavy weapons company then he is not getting that jump-pack because that is assault marine use only.
@@jedi-rl1hq Well said. Astartes are doctrine dependent, while Stormtroopers are more versatile despite being less powerful. Stormtroopers get arsenals soom, too, as their deployment ships often have their inventory stocked up for the mission.
Astartes on the other hand, are lucky if they get any vehicle at all.
"Roided up teenagers with daddy issues"
That's sounds exactly like regular marines tho
He hit our blueberry boy where it hurts, lol.
LOGISTICS!
Unlike other SM legions the Ultramarines take an active interest in the government of their worlds, which is why they're likely almost a super power of their own making in the 40k verse.
Aye they get hammered and things are likely to move slower than the lightning fast Empire but even if Star Wars ends up on the offensive they'd have to grind through entire world populations that are ready to fight down to the last man reinforced by SMs leading them both strategically and on the battlefield.
One or two of their worlds don't even have a surface to bombard into dust since the Tyranids beat them to it. They live out of giant caves.
I know I've nerded out here but as one who has read alot from the Chaos perspective one of the worse things you could do when fighting the blueberrys is to underestimate them.
40k sgowing us how kafkaesque a galaxy wise administration would be.
You're as high as the Japanese leadership during WW2 if you think the Empire 'has to' assault heavily fortified imperium worlds rather than just bomb them until they present no credible naval threat and possibly leave a small naval garrison to ensure anyone left in cover beneath the planetary surface never leaves or just, you know, completely avoids those world and hits worlds less well entrenched with an overkill number of naval assets with hilarious local superiority. Or, you know, use any of the many, many superweapon projects they developed even in Disney cannon to avoid potentially messy ground or space combat entirely. Context is key: the Empire was a militarized police state with no credible external threats that was more concerned with knocking down Joe Q. Public and keeping him there than another similar sized polity seeking its destruction through conventional interstellar war. In other words, you're actually seeing the empire explicitly not firing on all cylinders like they would be when fighting someone like the IOM that could apply the external pressure the IOM can. Once Palpy understands the size of the problem, the IOM's only hope of not being consistently defeated conventionally is for them to use their more developed and better special forces to assassinate him and cause the Empire to schism like it did in cannon. A credible and very easy strategy compared to all other options for either side admittedly, but it's still very much the only win con for the IOM because trying to conventionally fight a similarly sized foe that's much more adaptive with much better communications and travel and logistics and that advances at a much faster rate and is much more standardized just isn't a path to victory just isn't it.
@@VunderGuy Issue with that is assuming everything does go smoothly for the Empire.
All it would take is one move in space by the IOM to catch the Empire in a surprise boarding action to capture Imperial ships or secure a vessel with functional hyperdrives. I'm sure the Empire could win at a distance in space but once a Terminator boarding squad gets aboard a Star Destroyed I'm not liking the Imperials chances.
If and or when that happens it's over for the Imps since despite their techno heresy the IOM aren't beneath using anything to achieve victory even if it damns them.
For everything to go perfectly for the Empire you would need somebody like Admiral Thrawn to be running the show and if he's around then somebody like Guilliman could be around too. Not to mention the numerous other threats that groups like Chaos or Tyranid cultists could cause without first hand experience.
@@VunderGuy all it takes is a single navy patrol to stop by at a bad time, or a world with, you know, those stronger defebses you are talking about which is ground to space defenses and void shields that could take sustained bombardment from a full 40k fleet? You know 40k weapons massively out range Star Wars right? And their ships tend to clump a LOT closer due to that, which means a single Nova Cannon round from a cruiser that stopped by to refuel is gonna kill dozens of ships in the blast…
Ultramarine: The logistics don't matter
Guilliman: You're excommunicated.
It’s all fun and games until the storm trooper turns around to taunt the Ultramarine one last time and discovers the average space marine can sprint at 45 miles per hour
That’s fucking terrifying
That's just the average ones. It's canon that some space Marines have hit 80 mph in a flat out sprint.
And dont they weigh a shitton too?@@Hellimatrix
@@tone618 Look at one and you can answer that.
Yeah...all that "logistics", "easy technologies" and "easy warpdrive" and the Empire cant even beat a bunch of dudes with glowsticks... nice vid btw
Thanks, I wanted to make a video for the star wars fans. Thought it was only fair because of how I treated the poor Stormtroopers in my other videos.
@@Full_Moon_Studios And you did a good job on it
@@wolfknight6263 Thanks man! That means a lot to me. I spend so much time with these videos that I don't even know if it's good when I upload it haha.
@@Full_Moon_Studios Maybe for one or a few of your videos you add in a Clone Trooper
@@wolfknight6263 Clones have been requested so much. I want to do it but I haven't figured out the voice yet not to mention a script.
Somewhere the imperial houses of the knights and the Adeptus Titanicus are laughing. Against their background, AT-AT is a Chimera on thin legs.
Yes just that it would take them 120 years to deploy the damn thing if there isn't a random titan legion hanging around in orbit for shits and giggles
Doesn’t it take them forever to get those out?
I didn't know chimeras could one shot baneblades.
@@myduckisonqauck7227 - They could put more armor on things if they didn’t just throw gun onto everything and hope for the best
@@doctorcorvus1319 it depends on what methods are used sometimes they use titan drop pods and even rarer they teleport the titans in.
The imperium may have more firepower (aside from planet killers, which are actually better in star wars) but the sheer logistical, manufacturing, and mobility advantage the empire has straight gives them the W. People often overlook that a large reason why the empire was losing to the rebels was because the entire imperial military was set up for full scale conflicts, not counter guerrilla warfare.
But that isn't why the Empire lost, though, lul. It isnt because of moronic, braindead Internet fanon garbage like this. We...literally SEE, in the movies, nevermind EU, why they lost; Sidious died. Its that simple. The Empire was fundamentally built around him. With him it stands, without him it falls.
The thing is... the sw empire doesn't have counter units to, like, space marines, not to mention that even the guard has better weapons than troopers, and their planet killers literally need to be the size of a moon to work (not counting legends) and are fairly easy to destroy (i mean, why it had a hole DIRECTLY into the core)
@JuanCR the empire doesn't need a counterparts to space marines when they have air superiority and basically all their weapons are armor piercing plasma rifles. And no, even in canon the planet killers don't need to be moon sized, this was clearly shown in ep9 where every ship was a planet killer (as silly as it was, its canon)
@@seemslegit6203 lol you count episode 9, your already off to a bad start. Star wars would not control the air by any means, even the shielded fighters in star wars don't compare to air units in 40k, which you are obviously ignorant of. The imperial guard alone has more types of fighters than the entire star wars universe has, and they all boast a machine spirit bred and augmented for aerial combat both in the void of space or in atmosphere. They often have heavy armor and weapons that would turn atat walkers into plates of metal spaghetti, and that's just the guard. And if you think star destroyers have a chance you obviously haven't watched the movies from your own universe, where simply moving within the radius of their shields leaves them vulnerable to attack, meaning boarding torpedoes filled with thousand year old, battle hardened, super human warriors can just get inside without even having to fire a shot, then paste the entire crew. The one hope for space faring star wars ships would be to retreat from every planet the imperium of man shows up to, their ability to traverse space without the use of the warp being their only true advantage. Though the imperium wouldn't care, much like in any number of the crusades waged by the imperium, you don't need to out maneuver your foe or beat him to the punch if you can simply drop a single bomb and eradicate their entire people planet by planet, until the only option for the enemy is to face you.
@@seemslegit6203 and blasters may use plasma tech but they are designed for combat with soldiers wearing armor that bearly stops a lead bullet. Sure larger laser and blaster weapons may compare with a plasma gun, but the standard readily available blaster doesn't make several entire men explode into a fine red mist the way a plasma gun does. And considering storm trooper armor (storm troopers not even being the standard troops of the empire) isn't really made to repel blaster fire, but instead solid projectiles, I wouldn't try to make the comparison that a blaster could kill space marines, who have a decent chance of surviving legitimate plasma guns anyway. Also have you read star wars lore? Blasters suffer from really pathetic lethal ranges, due to energy loss over distance. Space marines engage at ranges that blasters can't even kill at. The imperial guard lasgun, often referred to as an angry flashlight in 40k, has a lethal range of almost triple the e11. And yet your trying to convice me that a bunch of regular people in white plastic, who couldnt hit one farmboy at 50 meters, have a chance against a marine. If I were you I would stick to the logistics argument made by the stormtroopers in the video, it's realistically the only chance the star wars universe has against the imperium of man, which Is probably one of the only factions in 40k that star wars has a hope of even denting. Because even if the star wars lore breaking myths you just stated were accurate, 40k only has to raise you nids or orks.
I thought this was going to be a crazy badass battle animation, but this is pretty good too.
Stormtrooper wins an argument against a space marine and leaves.
Stormtrooper runs before the space marine catches up to him and paints the floor red with his blood
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandledude stop coping about your favorite sci-fi universe, I've seen in the 3 comments now and it's just you being pissy over a joke video.
@@LikeZoinksGangWay I sincerely apologize for caring about sci-fi universes and wanting to discuss them with other people. Might I suggest simply not paying attention to my humble comments instead of taking them personally?
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle True
it kinda seems like you took it personally man@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle
Ultramarine: Logistics dont matter
Guilliman: Send him to the Death Watch to regain his honor!!
well, he dissed the emperor/onmisia, and then talked down about the omnisia's creations. I think the mechanics will enjoy making him a servitor if the inquisition do not get to him first, if he is not first found and killed by a grey knight or any other imperium forces (a sister of battle would probably give him a whole new understanding of a sick burn, or psycher showing how lightning works before showing the show stoper head popper)
Or orkz stealing the AT-AT and making a Version Squighott AT-AT
well he can get the lightning without psycher's just have to have a chance of meeting good old palpetin on a bad day.... othere than that i agree🤣
Ye, but the Space Marine is to forward the message and than they have to send somebody. So 300 years might be the correct timeframe here.
Considering how accurate stormtroopers actually are I have a funny feeling that the sister, inquisitor and at least 27 angry techpreists are going to die before they even realise where the stormie was
The mechanicus replied : "they shall be cleansed with radiation by radium fire"
1:05 I mean even just a Leman Russ would work quite well against that.
AT-AT: *slowly marches to battle*
Baneblade: *licks chops eagerly*
That is not a fight a basic Baneblade wants to pick, those main cannons on the AT AT can crack it open in a few hits from up to 17kilometers. A Shadowsword however would be a matter of who shoots first
@@JacatackLP considering the firepower and the maneuverability of a baneblade, I think it's a very one sided fight.
@@ottovonbismarck7646 bane blade has less than half the speed of an At At, with 25 kph top on road speed compared to 60 for tha AT AT. As for armament I would put the Mega Battle cannon roughly on par with the main cannons on an AT AT in terms of raw firepower per shot and possibly even range, but has severely noticeable disadvantages. It’s a munitions based weapon which means it’s not guaranteed to be loaded with the optimal shell type on contact, it’s more susceptible to environmental factors and harder to aim even given the fact that they’re rocket assisted. It’s also a much slower firing weapon and it’s only real advantage is the fact that it’s turreted, although it’s traverse speed isn’t particularly great and At At’s have demonstrated pretty deft maneuvers to bring itself into proper firing arcs, I’d encourage watching the clip of an At At quickly pivoting to shot down a Snowspeeder in Empire Strikes Back. Unless the Baneblade really gets the drop on an Baneblade, in close enough quarters where aiming isn’t as much of an issue and it can bring its demolisher cannon into bear but far enough away where it’s gun can elevate to attack it, it’s generally going to be at a significant disadvantage. Especially since given the height difference the AT AT would generally be firing down onto the top armor of the baneblade, which is as a rule one of the weakest points of a tank’s armor
@@JacatackLP there's no way a at-at is moving that fast, and considering it's narrow cone of fire, and slow traversing speeds, it's still a very one sided fight.
@@ottovonbismarck7646 does it matter if massive bolts of plasma (yes blasters and macro lasers are plasma cannons) are melting it's hull in a couple of shots?
I'm surprised a storm trooper knows so much about the imperium and even the accelerated genetic enhancements of a Spezz marine
Cadian shock trooper-“oh please Stormtrooper at least we can see out of our helmets. What are you going to do about it, destroy this whole planet? Oh ya you only had two giant ships that could do that. We have thousands.
Stormtrooper-“oh ya, but at least our E11 blasters aren’t week like your lasguns”
Cadian shock trooper-“our lasguns a]may be week but we use them to take down and win against chaos space marines, demons, huge alien bugs, and horrors you never imagined. All you lot have to fight are walking carpets, insurgents and teddy bears, yet ya still manage to louse. Why not let us have a go at the rebel alliance. We’ll defeat them in under a day mate”
Hahaha oh man that is funny and I can see it going like that, thou Lasguns are not as weak as the memes made them to be and can match and even excel many if not all hand held Blaster guns
Me reading this comment:
"Write that down! write that down!"
@@Full_Moon_Studios fell free to use it if you want to
@@Full_Moon_Studios hang on, I’ve got another one
Rebel trooper-“greetings I’m with the Rebel Alliance we heard you are also in a struggle against a tyrannical empire and have weapons that can be useful to the alliance, we’d like to offer you the chance to join forces and together we can bring down both empires.
Chaos cultist-“yes! Together we will kill everyone of those corps worshiping fools. The streets will run red with blood those punny weaklings will make fine sacrifices blood for the blood god Blood For The Blood God BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD BLOOD FOR RHE BLOOD GOD”
“Rebel trooper-“ok then, on the second thought perhaps those Tau I heard of Might work better with us, I’m just going to go”
@@joshuadunford3171 Hahahahaha! Oh thats gold and yeah the Tau would have a MUCH easier time against the SW Galactic Empire
Orks: Can I loot it
Stormtrooper: No
Orks: Too late *LOOTED AT-AT intensifies*
*paint it red so it's less slow*
Paint it blue so it can be extra lucky
Lol stromtrooper shouldn't leave the AT-AT walker behind.
Was at Warhammer world last year and someone was having a game with I think 2 at-ats that were looted and we're stand-ins for squiggoths. Looks exactly how you'd expect and was really cool to see 🤣
@@Trytinion I've seen images and even Instagram posts showing Ork looted AT-ATs
Makes me wonder if the stormtrooper will bring up any legends weapons into the conversation.
Oh boy, now THAT is some firepower.
@@randomcenturion7264 - Yes, like the Eclipse Class Star Dreadnought, the 17,500 Meter long Dreadnought with a Axial Superlaser mounted on the front of it, along with over a thousand guns placed on it as well.
Sun Crusher coming in?
@@ThePaeppa - Do they still have that or is it technology?
Then warp opens and a DAT Battleship emerges shooting blackholes
Little did they know, Creed ordered a Warlord class Titan to observe behind a passing tumbleweed
To be fair ultramar has its own titans and knight houses so the ultramarines are probably the only chapter of space marines who could actually just call to have a titan deployed. But requardles given that an at-st is handily despatched by a single grenades in the rear compartment a few bolter shots would probably take it out anyways.
A gun that fires explosive rockets would just obliterate the obvious weak ankles
atst are supposed to have shields
A shield won’t do much against a 100 metre long plasma cannon shot to the cockpit
I love how the stormtrooper never thought to shoot his giant AT-AT once during that entire encounter
I mean it's not like the guns of an AT-AT would have killed the space marine so it's better not to antagonize him more
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle No, but actually though. Why didn't your parents finish the job when they dropped you...?
@@papapalps2415 thank you for confirming that you don't have any valid objections and can only hurl insults as a last resort :)
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle Why would I give you a 'valid objection' when you not only have utterly failed to even vaguely address anything I have said in any other thread, but haven't actually made a single real argument AT ALL beyond just brainlessly asserting any number of asisne claims (like the above, for instance)...? You get what you put in, and in your case, you have put in precisely...nothing. You, therefore, get nothing. Well, bar my continued mockery and laughter, I suppose.
You're attempts at snark are shit, just to clarify.
@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle yes they would space marines don't have energy sheilds and are much smaller 4 AT-AT blasts are gonna kill him
The stormtrooper just leaving his AT-AT behind won't even affect the Empire, they'll just produce a thousand more.
The Imperium leaving behind a titan would be leaving behind an ancient, irreplaceable artifact. Most of them are over 10000 years old, building new ones is theoretically possible, but takes centuries(and even then, they can only build inferior ones, as much of the old technology is long forgotten)
Those AT-AT are but mere cannon fodder to our Annihilator pattern Predator battle tanks either way
@@blacktemplar1139 Sure I would be scared of those... If I wasn't already dead of old age by the time they arrive
@@alejandroelluxray5298 The Astartes are much different from the Astra Millatarum, in the sense they can requisition whatever they want, whenever they want. The most they're waiting for, is like 6 weeks
@@blacktemplar1139 surely its longer if they are already in the battlefield to my knowledge it often takes around that time just to get from the mandeville point to the battlefield
@@beanward_xd527 At most it's a few years, and that's only if the warp says "Kark you" which is fairly rare. Managing a company of 100 is millions more easy than managing a regiment of 1,000,000
stormtrooper : "Your walkers take centuries to arrive"
Imperial knight freeblade who just so happened to pass by that system : "Thats where you're wrong peasant"
The Imperium is nor that lucky
At least the AT-AT isn't going to fry my brain if the "Machine Spirit" doesn't like me or give me trauma from the cries of the dead past users howling in pain.
@@randomcenturion7264 sure. Too bad it generally sucks at most other things the Knights excel at.
@@draochvar9646 Does that include is excelling at occasionally going batshit crazy and getting infected by daemons?
@@randomcenturion7264 idk dude that just sounds like skill issue on your part
Storm Troper managed to get a rather skilled win and get away to tell about it... he may have lost the AT-AT, but he won so much more!
This was GOLD!!
That Stormtrooper is channelling every ounce of my annoyance at that cursed "Can't Aim Meme."
This may sound like heresy, but I think the Stormtrooper actually won the argument. Impressive. Wait, why is the Inquisition here? Oh sh-
No worries brother. I know I am a bit late, but I am here to beam you up
@@Its_me_StolasHey, Stolas
"Logistics don't matter" - An Ultramarine forgetting who's his Primarch
What folks seem to forget is that while yes the Imperium crushes the Empire in ground battles, the Empire absolutely crushes the Imperium in naval warfare. In the time it takes the Imperium to build 1 Battleship the Empire has built a couple dozen Star Destroyers with full compliments of escort fleets, fighters, bombers, and supply ships. Additionally hyperspace travel and FTL communications means the Empire can be anywhere at any time and the Imperium just outright can’t catch them. With probe droids any Imperial ship that falls out of the Warp away from the rest of the fleet has maybe a few hours at best before it’s jumped and torn apart like a buffalo fighting a pack of lions. Even if the Imperium can draw the Empire out into an open naval battle it still loses, because while an Imperial ship has enough firepower to take down a Star Destroyer, they simply cannot bring said firepower online fast enough compared to the Star Destroyer. And of course TIE fighters and bombers make absolute jokes out of their Imperial counterparts. They’re faster, more maneuverable, pack comparable firepower, and they are vastly cheaper to produce.
Gotta agree. But even with the ground battles it's only when the Imperium brings in something like titans, SMs, Librarians, etc.
The average stormtrooper bodies the average guardsman. And the average tank is MUCH faster and a decent amount stronger than the average... well... literal tank... that the Imperium has.
On top of all that the Galactic Empire can counter Warp Travel with Interdictor technology.
While that seems odd since Imperium ships travel through the warp we actually see that Orkz can use Interdiction fields to pull Imperium ships out of the warp for ambushes, meaning the Empire can catch entire Imperium fleets out of position and open fire while the crews are disoriented.
@@spiffygonzales5160if an average Stormtrooper is better than the average Guardsman, then what does that say about the Clone Troopers?
@@azureheart2846
I'd say a squad of like five commandos (average commandos, not the ones you play as in the game) would be comparable to the average space marine.
Gotta remember they took the best bounty hunter in the Galaxy, game them roids, then trained em from childbirth. Granted I'd ironically say Jango and Boba are multiple levels above pretty much any clone... but still.
@@azureheart2846an average Clone Trooper would probably be equivalent to a Cadian or Catachans.
While more elite clone legions like the 501st or Galactic Marines would be closer to Cadian Shock.
I am now expecting to see a titan in one of these and i am also hoping for that
300 years and 1 day later.
A massive emperor class titan slams onto the planet creating a destructive Shockwave that pulverized everything in a mile's radius.
Tech support has arrived! And just like that, they are done.
well you have to wait 300 years for that
B3 battle droid vs one of the smaller titans/knights
@@isuckatusernames4297 b3 wouldn’t stand a chance even the small knights have ion shields and weapons larger than the entire b3
@@Internecion it was the most direct things I could compare to an imperial titans.
now I guess it would be the yuzan vhong killer droids against a necron.
cause iirc they at least sound somewhat similar to each other. who knows, maybe the extra mobility might help
Meanwhile, the 50 Black Templar ships in orbit:
Still wanna talk trash about ships, hoss?
as a fan of both warhammer 40k and star wars, i think that the imperium would definitely win on the ground, but the empire would definitely rock the imperium in space battles
Not true at all 💀bro the only thing the empire as is a better fast travel system warships in 40k makes star destroyer look like a joke
That Star Destroyer is but chalk compared to a battle barge, most imperial ships are bigger than the average Empire cruisers
@@blacktemplar1139and what is the battle barge going to do? Get swarmed by dozens of star destroyers, along with hundreds- thousands of tie fighters? I seriously doubt marines could even fit in a star destroyers halls if they boarded, with their massive stature and exaggerated armor.
A battle barge has amazing weapons, but as we have seen with like the indomitus crusade, they are heavily susceptible to death by a thousand cuts. The empire could easily manage mustering a larger fleet, and simply drowning the navy
"Logistics don't matter"
*That's where you lose*
Logistics always matter and that's why entire chapters of the art of war by Sun Tzu are dedicated to logistics.
The imperium of man does best when they already have their forces built up and focused in an enemy.
Logistics is 50% of a war, cause it takes an army to maintain an army.
What's the point of move soldiers and armor whete they are needed if they can aim for shit. And the armor can be destroyed by primitive teddy bears.
“The logistics don’t matter” classic 😂
Awesome video Full Moon, It would be cool to see the Imperium of man and The Empire talking or arguing about how they destroy planets.
"Impossible to get rid of"
Exactly, as the rebellion got rid of the empire in just a few years
When you study the whole scriptures(dive down Star Wars EU rabbit holes) you see it wasn't the rebellion defeating the empire as it was the Republic momentuming back into existence
Definitely clicked on this video expecting to see a bad ass space marine taking down a struggling AT-AT single handedly. Thanks for the video! "They're... they're highly important artifacts!" 🙌 1:58 😂
I really like how that line turned out. I'm so glad you liked it!
When we are going to get a hazard stormtrooper vs space marine vid? (For those don’t know, hazard stormtrooper or ‘hazard troopers’ are legends era stormtroopers are well… stormtrooper “space marines”)
Also awesome video
Hazard troopers are kinda Mid to be perfectly honest.
@@Peter_Turbo4 how?
Isn’t it quicker to hazard stormtroopers then space marines, or slower?
No, not Hazard Trooper
A phase 3 Dark Trooper would be more accurate, especially the Inquisitorium dark trooper
@@tuppernoot3902 - Wouldn’t know, this is a first time I’ve heard of them
God damn storm trooper be holding these Ws 10/10 animation
In star wars they don't fly at light speed, hyperdrive is a system that takes them into hyperspace witch is like a separate layer of space, otherwise when flying though normal space at high speeds a peace of rock or debris the size of a marble can tear a hold in your ship
Yeah or you can accidentally crash into a star
@@NotNormal654worse case scenario
Imagine having your entire historical lore be roasted by just an average enthusiast stormtrooper
Both universes are terrific and deserve their fans. In a one on one, the Galactic Empire gives the Imperium a good krumpin’ every time. Their logistical efficiency, capacity for faster-than-light realspace travel, bureaucratic top-down uniformity and the active involvement of their Emperor are all incredible advantages. Not to mention their ability to produce whatever they put their mind to without first searching out STCs to be able to do so. The bottom line: the Empire is a galactic force on the rise, while the Imperium is one in the grip of decline. The Empire also has access to the greatest commander: Thrawn. I’d imagine that Thrawn at the helm of the peak Empire would even give the 41st Millennium Necrons a run for their money.
In any case, funny video!
Except for the fact that no matter how far the Imperium declines, no matter how inefficient, it can never fail. The imperium reason that the imperium hasn’t fallen is the remnants of its previous might, it has access to technology that will last for tens of millennia and can destroy star systems, it has trillions of citizens on millions of planets, a battle in single system in 40k contains more soldiers than all of Star Wars combined. The inefficient bureaucracy doesn’t matter when it is literally too big to fail. Thrawn is displayed as a genius but saying that literally anyone in Star Wars could beat even a single half decent planetary defence force is stupid. In 40k the most basic of weapons that are given to tens of millions are equivalent to Star Wars’ anti tank weaponry. The strongest ship in the empire doesn’t hold a candle to the Imperium’s void shields, macros and lances. The Necrons’ weakest weapon breakdown atoms, their “super weapon” the celestial orrey allows them to literally control all stars in the galaxy. If the Necrons wished they could destroy any non immortal force in either fictional universe. The imperium used to be at an equivalent level, Star War and 40k cannot be compared. At least Star Trek and 40k have similar levels of technology, Star Wars is but a child in comparison.
@@yonneye2427 Having studied both universes for a long time, I have to say your thoughts on technological imbalance are quite off. I don’t believe the blasters in Star Wars are any weaker than lasguns, and the same could be said of Turbolasers compared to Titan or warship weaponry in 40k. In what way are void shields entirely superior to force fields in Star Wars? Or Ray shields? If you factor in Legends, the powers of the force give a decisive edge to the Empire as well, as Sidious would be more than capable of ravaging entire fleets with force storms. In any case, the Necrons almost certainly have the edge versus any other faction, but in the current setting their division makes them vulnerable, or at least not overwhelming as they otherwise would be. The celestial orrery is an interesting note, but irrelevant. They have yet to use it for a reason - the consequences to the Necrons themselves, indeed the stability of realspace, would be far too dire to be used except in the face of extinction.
@@emperornapoleon6204 Blasters create tiny little puffs when they hit something, turbo lasers take multiple hits to take down a building. Lasrifles blow giant chunks out of any unarmored surface they hit, most titan weaponry above scout titans can level small parts of a hive city with relative ease. Most ships from the more specialized factions in the Imperium can purge or even destroy entire planets in mere moments, singular macro cannon shots are larger than many smaller Star Wars ships. These also aren’t just small ships they have the population of towns or small cities. If the Necrons were actually losing they’d bring out their big guns, the celestial orrery was only an example of their power. A single mid sized Necron dynasty has plenty of less galaxy destroying weapons that could easily destroy any weapon the Empire could control, the Necrons even had a better version of the Death Star. Political instability and division cannot be used against 40k factions without also applying it to the Empire, the moffs are hardly cooperative outside their particular sector(s) not to the empire can’t keep a tiny little rebellion at bay. The Imperium does absolutely everything they can to survive 40k, the Empire wouldn’t last a second.
@@yonneye2427 the thing is you look Disney canon and movies. Actuall SW univers is very much on par with WH40K. Well at least the Old Republic and Yuuzhan Vong is.
@@oliwierbroda2575 Which has absolutely nothing to do with the empire. Yuuzhan Vong pales in comparison to the Tyranids(not the best comparison, but they’re the closest thing). I’d also like to mention that technology barely changes in SW past Old republic, so the argument about 40k tech being stagnant is a moot point. I’ve seen nothing in EU(both canon and decanonized) that makes me believe that the Empire’s baseline is anywhere close to 40k factions. Especially the Necrons.
I was half expecting them to shoot the marine and the marine just emerging like "is that the best you can do"
Tbf the heavy blaster on an At-AT is power wise somewhere above a heavy plasma cannon but below Tank mounted plasma weapons in 40k they would most likely kill the marine and horribly maim him at the minimum.
On the flip side a Leman Russ Executionor tank would slag an AT-AT in one shot and a melta bomb to the legs should be enought to criple them
@@Blutwind dudes in star wars survive atat weapons fairly often. And they aren't wearing a tank.
@@grizzlyblackpowder1960 like nobody survive AT-AT hit in Star Wars. Like it's laser cannons one shoted a armored building. They would destroy a space marine without a doubt and honestly most of Warhammer smaller vehicles as well. Like Warhammer has crazier stuffs but in general technological And weapon power level there isn't really a big diffference between Star Wars And W40k.
40k is the equivalent of that kid that went “nuh uh, I have a force field and your bullets can’t go through it!” When you would play war.
Awesome vid again man, The Empire's definetely got the logistics but now I wonder. Could a Space Marine's Bolter gun penetrate that At-At?
Definitely not, Bolters can usually only penetrate lightly armored vehicles and usually not even them reliably from all angles. Melta gun from close range though might start getting some results
the logistics
* only survives 34 years, destroys an entire planet with all its valuable resources just to piss of some girl, defeated by random rebels and teddy bears *
@@Engifarting456 lmao yes!
Meanwhile The Impreium Of Man: Aight fellas you see that planet corrupted by Chaos... I don't want to see it anymore so order Exterminatus.
Edit: The empire only destroyed like 2 planets, while the Imperium has annihilated probably dozens
@@Engifarting456 I don’t think you know what the word “logistics” means. The Empire lost because the Emperor died, at which point it largely destroyed itself in internal struggles while the New Republic sponsored and came to the aid of rebellions and began taking the Galaxy piecemeal.
@@JacatackLP during his death, his troops were massacred by teddy bears with primitive traps and on space by rebels also in the death star 2 some assassin droids were about to take over the galactic empire, if only lando didnt destroyed the death star with this other dude
I have no words to express how impressed I am
My first thought when I was suggested this: "So... the same armor class then."
As a 40k fan and much as i hate to admit...the imperium totally lost this arguement.
Why did I imagine the space marine fighting the AT-AT with the tune of “Rules of Nature”?
As a fan of both franchises I can confirm that both are indeed part of their respective IPs.
"HEY, GUYS! BRING THE THING!"
"Where are you going?"
(Misses with an AT-AT being tossed at the Space Marine)
"Ha! You still missed me!"
"HEY, GUYS! WE MISSED! GET ANOTHER!"
While the imperiums massive size is a strength it also a weakness because once the empire has a way to reliably kill titans like the Tau their gonna be at the a disadvantage cause unlike the Tau the empire has the size and the logical power to give the imperium a spanking
The issue with the Empire is that they relied too much on fearmongering over actual military power. That’s why the Death Star was prioritised over Thrawn’s TIE defender. Tarkin didn’t care about actual military so long as the people were too scared to fight back. Now if Thrawn or some other military general was in charge, I can at least say they would do really well and give the Imperium a run for their money.
@@evanlight2550 indeed thrawn being the head of the campaign would truly make the imperium consider a peace option but I do believe that the average imperial officer is more competent than your average imperium office plus the imperiums reaction to threats is slower due to the warp being unpredictable and slower than hyperspace travel
From any starwars games ive played the storm troopers were worse off in every way from the clone troopers from tech to training
It seemed like the empires entire military budget went into its death star and everything was downhill from there
Id honestly question the empires ability to even defeat Russia let alone a whole planet of people who actually use kinetic weaponry
Imagine a jedi deflecting a 50 cal bullet back either from a sniper a mile away of 1500 of them in a minute
And I've seen stormtrooper armor defeated by a blind monks stick so i could prolly take one down with my sling shot and some basic traps
Litterally all star wars has is the force and jus takes one psyker to summon a horde of demons and now what
Like at least weird boyz can me eads explode, or even regular orks can go faster by being red, or mash together giant mechs from spare parts
Vader jus has finger neck pinches and cant even fix his fking respirator
@@jessikablake4784Nah, lore wise, stormtrooper Armor is impervious to kinetic weaponry as well are spaceships shields. At first they used kinetic weaponry and more specifically rail gun tech. But shielding and Armor technology became so efficient that they had to go for energy based weapons. In the modern era of SW, kinetic weaponry is still useless. I have several sources about that if you want
@@jessikablake4784 - You forget to mention that same stormtrooper took like five shots to the chest in the span of a few seconds by a blind possible force user.
Vaders armor was deliberately built with flaws by Palps so he could take him down easier and make him more scary.
And the Imperium has the biggest set of plot armor around, The Empire doesn't.
This is nice and funny
Hahahaha oh man this was good and hope we get some good 40K Imperial Guard vs SW Stormtrooper videos and hey maybe the IG comments on how Clone Troopers are better then SW Stormtroopers
If space marine noted that empire can't beat some rebels and space wizards, I would say it would be 2-1 for the Imperium
"Bunch of roided up teenagers with daddy issues" lol, that killed me
I'd like to see a Stormtrooper vs a Lamenter and have it become a rather wholesome encounter.
Then the Lamenter trips on some stairs and breaks his neck
Man, that Stormtrooper was straight fire with his burns. But he's right, the Empire does have better logistics. They built a Death Star in less than 20 years, and almost did it again, much larger, in less than half the time as the first one. Not to mention all the things the Stormtrooper roasted him about, STCs, FTL, the Mechanicum, everything was so true amd straight fire all around.
Truly the most based stormtrooper to grace TH-cam.
40k: better guns
SW: better transportation
Are we talking legends or canon SW?
40k doesn't have better guns, bolters are actually pretty shit, lasguns are straight ass, to the point where guardsmen use modern day body armor and they still fail, while stormtrooper armor can tank multiple shots from guns that cook the insides of targets, letting the user survive them so long as it's not from a hero character
@@calebbarnhouse496 - And don’t forget that every faction (baring the Orks, Nids, and Dark Eldar sometimes) have better weapons then the Imperium on average. Necrons have their Gauss weapons that can OHK you if it hits anywhere near your torso, Eldar weapons are just scary to read about with how brutal they are, Dark Eldar weapons are generally built to cause mass suffering with each hit, and the Tau have the best range around.
@@doctorcorvus1319 yea, but 40k fans put the imperium as the only faction they give a fuck about, so using the other factions would be like trying to figure out which would win a war, umabra or the wookies
@@calebbarnhouse496 - Umbara, fighting on the planet alone is a nightmare for those who can’t see in the dark that well, and their vehicles are monsters to fight without knowing how to take it out.
Well it appears this stormtrooper just gave a SPACEMARINE his AT-AT Walker
There will be bloodshed.
We'll see whose blood gets spilled first, the incredibly unstable walker, or the adamantine clad demigod
The logistics don't matter
Meanwhile in Ultrama
Gilamin are you feeling alright
Gilamin: I sense a disturbance in the warp
It's actually a good point, many people immediately will say 40k wins everything but then forget to mention how terrible it can be to get any of those powerhouses to your assault, sure Star Wars may have the overall weaker tech but at least they have reliable FTL and faster to replace vehicles and such
It would be an interesting fight though.
I see a lot of people down play Star Wars tech but it's honestly not too far from the imperium in the 42nd millennium, and if we considered legends content I would say the Star wars universe could go toe to toe with the Imperium but would still likely loose simply because of the sheer size of the IoM.
@@LikeZoinksGangWay but the Imperium of Man would lose alot of ships and etc that are irreplaceable?
@@merafirewing6591 The IoM would definitely loose some ships but I doubt they would be "irreplaceable" the only ships that would not be able to get replaced would be a couple special ships and I doubt those would even be lost considering how tanky they are, I doubt the empire could destroy "The Rock" and any normal ships can be reproduced as long as they have the proper STC'S.
@@LikeZoinksGangWay It still would be a very long drawn out conflict which is very interesting. Damn it be very cool to see how the Death Star would fair against the IoM.
He could call a imperial knight and was more than enough.
Stormy: what. Is. That?
It has a chanisaw for an arm?!
Why?
Spass mahren: because why not? It is going To intimidate The crap out of you when it saws your puny camel in half.
@@brok56 imperial knights are a bit smaller than a AT-AT but they can defeath whole armys on their own.
In 40k everything is stupidly slow if it’s something important
Don't exagerate, depending also in the size and what are you talking about like imperial knights are among most fast but among most small of the titans and this is also because are made to be durable and dangerous when eldars titans are not so durable but are very fast and to you said everything what is wrong, humans are still enough fast but is i think faster at running than orks when space marine can run with average speed of 60km per houer but they can run faster at 100km per houer but not none stop like at the normal speed and eldars like their vehicles and daemons and psykers are out of question because they ignore the laws of logic. Back to my point about imperial knights is to imperial knights walk faster and can also sprint like hound titans what are very fast who can also sprint and i think you understand to they can destroy an AT-AT without to be something too fancy. But talking about faster than light travel is to depends because to with warp travel you won't reach your destination in hundreds of years because the noble navigator will navigate making to reach his destination in a few days if is hard to travel because of a warp storm or something but they can reach also the destination even before it had even leave like you are going somewhere and you arrive much more soon because the time don't exist in the warp and plus to is corrupted can make you to go too soon or too late if you don't have a navigator to know how to travel to arrive at the good moment not too soon or too late.
@@averageeughenjoyer6429 how gloriously wrong you'd be when it comes to a good amount of foot soldiers in 40k
The marine could have just called in one of the newly invented Astraeus Super-Heavy grav tanks. No need to bring Titans into it.
Also sure, warp travel can usually take months to get across the galaxy, but it can also mean you arrive at your destination, but it can also sometimes get you there before you left, because hell doesn't understand how time works.
Not worth it
Well, Warhammer dose have the worst form of FTL
*the ATAT shoots and destroys the tank* ATATs can destroy heavily armored ATTEs in a few hits, guys that were so heavily armored that in initial deployment the best way the CIS had to take them out was roll forward droids that fired hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of missiles (roughly the equivalent of an ATTE in cost) and hope they hit the weaker points that only a guided missile could hit
@@calebbarnhouse496 _"the ATAT shoots and destroys the tank"_
What tanks ? These ?
"In many sectors, overloaded Earth caste reactors had been remotely detonated, sending huge mushroom-shaped clouds towering upwards. In other regions, swarms of missiles so thick they blotted out the sun came down, the explosions hot enough to turn the sand below to blackened glass for miles around the epicentres of the blasts. Flesh was evaporated, steel twisted and melted beyond recognition. *Yet not everything was destroyed in the maelstorm.* Lumbering across blackened and flame-scorched sands came the Imperial Guards most impervious vehicles, the hulking super-heavy tanks. They churned forward, each a mobile fortress, as indomitable as the Imperium itself. Turrets bearing enormous cannons swivelling in scarch of retribution. Behind them strode Imperial Knights, their ion shields flickering. Shadowsun's counter-attack had kept its distance from the blast zone, and was only now racing towards the front. However, there were Tau assets already in place. Bulwarks of armour and shields, the KV128 ballistic suits had stood silent sentry while the desert exploded. Now they came alive, swivelling at the waist to align shoulder-mounted weapons, locking onto the tanks moving across the burning sands. Like clashing gods of war, the super-heavies unleashed their prodigious arsenals - cutting loose with firepower whose *single shots could shatter mountains."*
*-War Zone Damocles: Mont'ka (Campaing, chapter "When Gods Of War Clash")*
Multiple nuclear explosions can't do shit to Baneblades which are comparable in power and defense to Astraeus Super-Heavy grav tanks. And Baneblades can also dish out mountain-destroying shots.
What the hell At-Ats are gonna do to this ?
I was expecting it to be a contest of an astartes against the AT-AT machine, ending in him ripping off one of the walker's legs. Instead we got a Monty-Python style French Taunting. Not what I was expecting. Extra points for the taunting all being essentially true.
I thought that was an ultramarine until he said “the logistics don’t matter”
dissapoinment to guilliman
Guilliman would like to know your location and paint your helmet red
-Who'd think its smart to carry a melee weapon in the space age?
Wanna tell Vader that?
Everything in 40k is overkill
The comments here have made me realize that the Empire could actually not only survive the wrath of the Imperium, but topple it altogether with something such as Starkiller base since they can fire halfway across the galaxy giving them the chance to take down Terra and the Astronimicon which would cause the Imperium to fall. Would the Empire survive afterwards against the rest of the galaxy or any actual battles with the Imperium? No it would not.
Eh nobody fights on even terms in this fight. People get to pick and choose what timeframe/canon it pulls stuff from for the Empire but not for the Imperium. They are stuck in 40k in a state of stagnation. Fuck that, I'm choosing 30k Imperium at the hight of its power. With the Emporor and all Primarchs with the full scale Space Marine armies only seen in 30k pre Horus Heresy. They make the 40k Imperium an embarrassing mess. Let alone 30k mechanicum that isnt against true innovation unlike 40k.
If all it takes is a single Jedi some friends and a small resistance to beat the Empire in any iteration give me the Emperor his Primarchs and a small resistance and its GG Easy.
People can talk big guns and wars all they want but at the end of the day no matter how strong the Empire is they lost twice to a jedi with some friends and a small resistance.
The Imperium barely survived the Horus Heresy and continued to survive for over 10k years against multiple external and internal threats. The Empire didn't even survive 100 years.
@@brandonvallier4214the empire didn't survive 100 years, it's true and it's mostly because Sidious was an idiot, the Republic he couped had existed for 25000 years
It all depends on writer fiat, and there is no lack of that in either franchise
@@brandonvallier4214 That's because people argue with the favorite version of each. The most popular version of the Imperium is the current one, and the most popular version of the Empire is its late period ranging from The Return of the Jedi to the novels and comics in the Expanded Universe because for decades those were the stories we grew up on.
First of all, it's not that a Jedi and his friends toppled the Empire. It's too big to be erased just like that.
The issue with the Empire is Palpatine is more interested in himself than the Empire. It existed in the EU only as a means of gaining control in order to have an army and the Death Stars ready for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion which he knew was coming. Which was only done because his primary goal is immortality. It's not that a rando jedi was able to beat the Empire, it's that Palpatine banked on being able to turn Luke, and it didn't happen, and with out Palpatine, the Empire splinters immediately. But even with his (repeated) deaths in the EU, the Empire did survive and remains the most dominant (albeit no longer maniacally evil) faction in the galaxy hundreds of years later. Which is where the EU left off when Disney acquired the property. As far as I can tell, at that point in the timeline Super Stardestroyers are their main ship of the line, so they'd doing pretty well for themselves.
I'd actually recommend consuming the old Expanded Universe material. It's very good, and significantly better than the Disney material they tried to replace it with. I would say the Mandalorian and the other new shows have done a pretty good job of fleshing out that the Empire didn't just instantly vanish after the loss of the Death Star II, as the Sequel Trilogy more or less implies, but it's kinda sad that we had to wait this long to find out what actually happened in the new timeline.
I very doubt Terra is that easy to be blown 🤷🏽♂️plus they wouldn’t even have time to make one of even fire
Added bonus the Storm trooper will probably go in the direction he ment to and won't have his soul murder fucked
i was expecting warhammer > all bullshit.... BUT THIS IS HILARIOUSLY GOOD!
the funny thing is i think a space marine can actually bring an AT-AT down by itself
Give him a jet pack and a power sword and he can 100% solo the thing.
No.
@@papapalps2415 Luke killed one with a grapple, a length of rope and a grenade; I think the Astartes will do just fine.
@@CteCrassus Thats neat. Astartes have been killed in duels with ordinary humans and by wooden spears. See, see, mummy? I can nitpick examples to further my agenda, too!
Now are you ready to put on your big boy pants and use your brain, or...?
@@CteCrassus
*_(Laughs in heavy Bolter)_*
To be honest, a single Astartes alone can single-handedly, take down an AT-AT with relative ease considering what they face on a daily basis. .
100,000 tons or so yet with those legs go at a maximum around 36 mph.
Then a ork slightly bigger than them outmaneuvers them and kills them or a human kills them with a wooden stick
At-At: Has the fire power to destroy a 90 meter transport ship, has shields(battleftont 2 their shields are impenetrable until their taken down) able to tank ground, and speeder based laser cannons(stronger than blaster cannons which are on par or stronger than hans blaster). Their armor had a tensile strength of 60,000- 130,000 psi. By the time palpatine was resurrected in legends at-ats used light turbolasers.
The T-21 light repeating blaster fires the plasma bolt equivalent of a 22.5-30mm bullet from a guass rifle. Mercenaries using light blaster cannons shot through 4 inches of plasteel. T-21
Astartes die to things way less than an ATAT mate, if he was a chapter master...
The onlt way a space marine can beat an ATAT is if he fought a single one and started the fight flanking it, and there was no onboard crew, so the space marine could just sit on it's feet pouting as he waits for the humans inside to die of old age
Honestly with how GeeDoubleU stole the Star Wars Chicken Walker I'm more surprised they didn't steal the AT-AT design too.
They already had those doom cathedrals that fired Death Star laser beams.
Kinda takes away from the Imperium because I look at stuff and think: “Wait, didn’t that one series make something similar to this?” more often then I like.
@@doctorcorvus1319 I head that thought every 5 pages while reading the Dune Series. "Oh, this is where they got that idea from"
@@pikadragon2783 - I think Majorkill also did a video on it too
Surprised he didn't brought up the fact their galactic empire keeps losing
"while flying through real-space at the speed of light without it taking fifty years" yea about that some times its negative years so you arrive before you even left.
Unfortunately all this really shows with the stormtrooper remark about "jumping to lightspeed" is that SOMEONE doesn't know how hyperspace works in star wars. It's basically 40k, with less daemons and more functional failsafes built in to avoid mishaps. Still got daemons though.
Yeah
The thing is Star Wars has never been clear about that. There are often remarks by characters about programming the nav computer to avoid flying into a star or something. So if they really are entering into some sort of other dimension or whatever why would it be necessary to navigate around planetary bodies? Even if it isn't entirely true because of the lack of clarity I just decided that Star Wars basically doesn't leave real space. Especially when compared to Warhammer.
@@Full_Moon_Studios Yeah they most likely somehow have access to the speed force in a way but still need to avoid some stuff in space
@@Full_Moon_Studios actually it is covered in the old star wars lore. If you want a tl:dr, warp drive is actually based on retrofitted rakatan tech and design. The old drives could only travel to dark side nexi, and required a darkside adept to navigate and operate the drive not unlike a 40k navigator, but with a much higher reliance. 26k years later and the new hyperdrives can be run by anyone. The problem of "scattering" in hyperspace comes from gravity, since you're using a parallel dimension to reduce mass and travel ftl. Issue being that if you hit something that is solid while you're superaccellerated and molecularly unstable... Well. To use a 40k term, warpdust. Therefore there is an old hardcoded rakatan failsafe that forces the ship out of hyperspace if it detects a gravity well. That's how/why star wars interdiction/gravitywell generator tech works. It's actually a really interesting part of the lore that's very rarely touched on outside of the EU! At least, interesting to me.
@@Dymose Looks like I'm not the nerdiest guy in the room anymore. But that's actually really interesting I wish Disney would have kept more of the old expanded universe lore.
It's funny that for all the clear advantages of the Star Wars universe in terms of logistics, it would still crumble under the sheer size of the Imperium. It would be a very, very slow crawl, just the way Kreig likes it
The star wars empire has far more planets
@@calebbarnhouse496And far less people.
@@calebbarnhouse496 The star wars universe so far include 2455 planets (quick google search), while that is a lot, it's not millions of worlds.
Dont even know your stuff, don't google once, just type and hope nobody checks.
@@calebbarnhouse496 one: hiveworlds. the sheer density of those things...
two: isn't the Imperium like, *a million worlds?* I never really checked on the demographics of Staw Wars, but places like Coruscant where the entire planet is one big city are the exception, not the rule. And even then, they're not as populated as 40K worlds. The Astra Militarum thives have to draft a lot of people so they can reliably use their *wall of lasguns* strategies
three: it still doesn't changes the fact they would be slowly crushed. That joke about the AdMech? true, but the Space Marine can literally wait 300 years, and one Imperial Titan would probably enough to cripple any Empire forces.
@@KelebMoonDancer - And how many planets can the Imperium actually defend before writing it off as a lost cause?
Storm Trooper is talking mad shit for a guy on a team whose Death-Star got blown up because they couldn't figure out how to close off/protect 1 exhaust vent. 2nd one didn't fair much better. Gonna judge them by the enemies they defeat (or get defeated by) rather than their plot device for space travel.
So we’re doing the The Empire (with no plot armor) vs The Imperium ( plot armor) thing? Also wouldn’t more people join The Empire? Ya know, the human supremacy empire with better living conditions then the Imperium as a whole?
I gotta say, I respect Rogue One a lot for filling in that horrid piece of a plot hole. It makes so much more sense with the port being basically sabotage.
@@pikadragon2783 - of course they have to! It’s a giant glaring weakness! Family Guy made a joke/gab at it in their special!
@@doctorcorvus1319 it's a small exhaust port in a station that is so large and powerful that the empire literally disbanded the only thing that held the people in line because they knew that people would think resistance is hopless, it took the most powerful force user not protecting it to land the shot with guided munitions, if the imperium were to fight the deathstar they'd first take 700 years to find the weapon, then they'd spend a year getting forces into place if they did it the quick way, and even if they did get it in open combat and delt enough damage to peirce the shield, then the deathstar would just jump into hyperspace, completely fine
@@calebbarnhouse496 - Actually, any rabid fan of 40K would say they’d just exterminatus it like it was going out of style. Actually now that I just said it, that’s the one thing they always say to kill something
"You see the difference between lthe empirium and the covenant is that the covenant don't see not charging in headfirst as dishonorable. They see it as fucking stupid"
Considering that for the most part everything gets where it's needed when it's needed in the Imperium, the Administratum is actually pretty damn amazing.
When it's needed or at least within 5 years of the deadline 80% of the time. Which for an empire of a million worlds it's impressive.
@@andrewgreeb916 No I mean, when is the last time lore mentioned the IG running out of ammo or fuel? If it's ever been mentioned, it was probably described as units cut off from supply rather than a logistical issue. They keep the ball rolling continuously galaxy wide despite their form of transportation involving both time travel and the gods dwelling in the Warp actively screwing with them.
Good stuff
These make me want to see the Ultramarine argue with other big name soldiers. Like imagine he gets into an arguement with a Spartan II over who's better
It would actually be an interesting discussion, since Space Marines are Sloppy Seconds of Sloppy Seconds, whereas Spartan IIs and IV are carefully crafted pieces of transhumanism, and in the case of IIs, the true next step of human evolution.
@@Hisnitch you don't really know own how the Genesee works do ya?
@@grizzlyblackpowder1960they're not wrong, the process to make Spartans was a lot closer to the one to make Custodes, not saying they're at that level, not remotely close but the process to make astartes is quite brutal and unrefined in comparison
Well... As a 40k fan, I would also prefer to travel in real space at lightspeed, instead of going literally through hell, without certainty of even getting to my destination in the same timeline as I departed.
The fact that they're genetically-modified and need to wear power armor to even fight is proof enough of what huge chickens^^ts they are.
Yo, an Ultramarine who says "the logistics don´t matter", is wild to me.