I think I'm going to start posting links to Staind's 2001 masterwork "It's Been A While" in response to every video on TH-cam going forward. Everyone needs much more Staind in their lives, Pat, thank you for the persistent reminders of these, the greatest musicians and genius wordsmiths of our generation... nay.... of the last 70 years of Rock music. "And everything I can remember As fucked up as it all may seem The consequences that I've rendered Have gone and fucked things up again Why must I feel this way? Just make this go away Just one more peaceful day" Boy howdy is that ever deep.
That list has no personality! I don't know if the placement of a particular game is due to its influence or gameplay. It comes across trying to please everyone and thus becoming bland as f*** only trying to get views. I mean come on, they listed Atari, Nintendo, Sony PS, PC, Xbox but no Neo Geo games? So, even when it comes to consoles they forgot many. That list is just dumb
I always prefer judging it on what was "influential", but the problem is there are still many games that are considered to have had a great impact on the industry that I have never once played or think about (and in some cases never heard of), so even on a my personal top 100 list there would still be some of those titles missing. So I doubt we'll ever get a conclusive 100% agreed upon top 100 because it's just not possible.
caloricfoil98 exactly. Zelda ocarina of time is arguably the most influential game ever made but not everyone may like that game. So I get what you mean.
@@FlyingV555 I would argue that Zelda for the NES is the most influential. It was really the first game that you "came back to" rather than finishing in one session. It didn't just change the games itself, it changed how games were played.
There's also a sub-divide between best and best for its time. Smurfs for the Colecovision, as an example, is not one of the best games of all time, but it was arguably one of the best games of 1982.
I'm with Ian, that song is so annoying and bad (and so typical of the late 90s 'hey lets all rip off and bastardize Eddie Vedder's singing style' crap).
90% of neogeo games were inferior Street fighter 2 clones. There's nothing that's really held up. As far as sega goes, pretty much every great sega game is bested by a similar Nintendo game.
@@somanymods "As far as sega goes, pretty much every great sega game is bested by a similar Nintendo game." - that's not true at all, ESPECIALLY in the arcade (where Sega had WAY more classics than Nintendo ever produced).
@@somanymods As far as the NeoGeo goes, Metal Slug was excellent, but really only when compared to other side scrolling arcade shooters. Samurai Showdown was pretty spectacular, and not simply an SF2 or MK clone. SNK fighters were all different compared to Midway and Capcom's stuff... they had their own personalities, and if you were great at capcom, that doesn't mean you'd be good at snk stuff. As far as Sega, Afterburner, Out Run, Hang On, and Golden Axe were all pretty spectacular. Both companies were best in the arcade, NG's home ports being much stronger than Sega's as the aes was basically the same hardware, but Sega's big sit down arcade units were really pretty great for their time. So, basically in summary, they were great compared to their contemporaries, but are definitely less impressive in comparison to the 64+ bit eras. Their style of gaming is dead. As arcades overall are now pretty much all dead, the companies that rocked the arcades just can't be looked at as fondly or with them being considered "important".
@@johnr.1592 maybe back then they were spectacular, haven't really held up. You really think golden axe was "spectacular"? It's basically just a button masher that you run through once or twice and move on.
I see Pat's point, but how can you be so upset about this list, when you refuse to play modern games? You shouldn't be mad about something you know nothing about.
Wait, didn't they say they wanted more franchise representation? Which is why they swapped Melee for Ultimate, MGS2 for MGS1, etc.? So why do they have both Half-Lifes, both Portals, both Red Dead Redemptions, 2 Zeldas, 4 Marios, etc? And yeah, I checked the full list: no Sonic, but that classic "Rise of the Tomb Raider" is at 55. The same one Time put in their top 50, less than a year after release. I guess it must be really good.
The fact that this list has virtually zero games from virtually any Sega console ultimately makes this list a garbage fire. The list looks like it was made by people who grew up in the 90s as Nintendo kids, never knew a next door neighbor who had Sega, graduated to PlayStation, skipped Saturn and Dreamcast, and played every other system like it was part of their job.
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past was #1 on Game Informer's list that came out late last year/early this year. It's safe to say right now that is what people think is the greatest of all time. But it's fluid, and even that list admitted that ALttP swapped spots from Ocarina of Time the last time they made a list. But Ian is right, it's all just opinion and far from a scientific poll, and we shouldn't put too much stock into these lists.
Link to the past is a classic but I don't really see it in the top 10. The only SNES game that really belongs up there is super Metroid imo. Mario 3 should be ahead of Mario world.
Yeah the lists are just supposed to be fun - Pat you seem to be a little too mad at this list. Its like saying "the top 10 flavors of ice cream". Its just fun, its not facts. You could go off sales numbers, or years around, or what the original flavors were... Or you can just go by 10 people voting too, and none of those are any more real/genuine than the others. Because not everyone tastes every ice cream, or likes the same flavors. And sometimes popular brands sold by a big store like Walmart (so high sales) might be a bad brand of ice cream. And maybe dipping dots future ice cream gets popular, and an old timey guy like Pat says "not my ice cream". Its a silly battle to fight. We can all shit on IGN a bit for it, but I guarantee we would hate on Pats list just as much ha-ha :) -- "He has Spy vs Spy NES but not the new God of War!?"
Big pet peeve of mine when older/retro games are immediately considered inferior to modern titles. Games are so much more than graphics they have a soul, a spirit. Honestly, I could derive so much more fun out of pong or Tetris than many modern games today.
You can't spell Ignorant without IGN I will admit there are some good games on the list but I personally find it weird that most of the games are from 2000 on up there are so many great games from the 80s and 90s that I feel should've been on here and I don't like how they swapped out great games for a game that is either the newer or a less superior version better graphics don't make a better game
I wish IGN would release the archived Slack (or other) discussion that went into this list. As shown by the Giant Bomb podcasts documenting their Game of the Year picks, seeing how the “sausage” is made is fascinating.
What going through this list shows is that there are so many games that Pat either never heard of, never played or bases his opinion on what he says he heard about other people's opinions on them. It just seems like other than games of his youth at some point he became a collector rather than a player. Ian is his source on games because at least Ian has played them but Pat just seems to be full of opinions based on his own lack of experience or the experiences of others. To me that makes his criticism of other peoples lists and criteria for creating lists not relevant or worth paying attention to.
Yeah if you haven't played a game - its hard to have weight to your opinion. Not that my opinion is "right" after having played it, but its nuts to argue when you dont even know what a game is. I know Ive done it then played a game after and realized I was wrong :) For example, I played Breath of the Wild and loved it. I bought (but did not play) Assassins Creed: Origins. I made my top 10 games of the year that year, and BotW was up at 3 or 4 and AC:O wasn't on the list at all. A few months later I played AC:O -- it was everything BotW was but better. Better graphics, (art style in Zelda was great, Id say that might win in "style"; but especially on Wii U, the pop in and slow down and fidelity - just AC:O beats it graphically hands down), a more complete world (always side quests etc, Zelda had lots of open areas with literally nothing). Finding/upgrading weapons was better, the acting was WAY better, the systems like endurance and weapons breaking weren't as annoying. I really objectively think they were so similar, if you just took Link out of BotW, people would like AC:O as much or better, (but a Zelda game gets Zelda love, always will). And Assassins Creed's Achilles heel is the dumb "current time" crap, i hate it, they need to cut it; yet I still thought the plot was better than Zelda's. To this day i stand by that, and people argue with me, first thing I ask is "did you play AC:O?". They usually reply, "well, no". So yeah, you cant argue one game is better than another if you haven't played them both. I thought AC:O looked bad, i bought it off good reviews, left it off my game of the year, and then was blown away by it, had to go back and put it above BotW on my game of the year list. Not saying I'm right, its subjective, but at least I played both and its an honest fair shake at two games I enjoyed and beat. Pat having so many blind spots to modern games just makes me think id hate his top 100 list even more ha-ha
As soon as I saw Ocarina of Time at 25 the list lost credibility. Because Breath of the Wild was placed into the top 5, they felt compelled to remove Ocarina of Time from the top 10. They were afraid to look bias towards Nintendo and penalized them for it. It's the same reason why they started the list by saying they were going to cap the number of Zelda and Mario games on the list.
What is everyones top 10 games of all time? I use top 10 lists to find games I might have missed on trying out so maybe I can steal some ideas on what games to play if anyone's willing to share.
Team Fortress. Xcom. Mario 3. Punchout. Street Fighter 2. Red Dead Redemption. Galaga. Doom. Danny Sullivan's Indy Heat. Golden Axe. I think I've actually put more money into Lethal Enforcers than any other arcade cabinet.
Quest for Glory 1, Shadow of the Colossus, Journey, Yakuza 0, Witcher 3, Stanley Parable, Rayman Legends, Brothers are some of my current favorites in random order, dont quite have a top ten and missed a lot of older stuff. I'd probably add a GTA game and some racing to get to 10.
If you havent played Inside or Limbo I would highly recommend giving them a chance. Abzu is beautiful also, but very light on gameplay. Papers Please is another very original title, worth multiple playthroughs. All rather short games.
Zelda oot/mm Dark Souls 3 Catherine Full Body Smash Ultimate DKC Trilogy Braid Darksiders MGS Banjo Kazooie Mark of the Ninja The Messenger Celeste The Stanley parable Amnesia the Dark Decent Conkers Bad Fur Day Ori and the Blind Forest The Binding of Isaac Rebirth Mario Galaxy 2 Hyrule Warriors The Wolf among us. No specific order except the first 3. The other games just popped up in my head. I really enjoyed them
Dark Souls The Last of Us The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Super Metroid Chrono Trigger Xenogears Planescape Torment Journey Shadow of the Colossus Mass Effect 2 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Half-Life 2 Dead Space Resident Evil 4 Portal 2 System Shock 2 Bioshock Red Dead Redemption Castlevania: Symphony of the Night These are my favorites. The first 5 are in order. I've spent a good amount of time going back and playing a lot of stuff I missed growing up. I play old and new games. I would consider every game I mentioned to be an amazing game. Enjoy.
Why dont you two create a Top 100 game list of your own? You have credibility in the gaming community already, and would love to see your input on the subject.
Because the writer doesn't enjoy Sonic games? If it is personal opinion, there should be loads of highly regarded games missing, since no one person enjoys all games, even ones that are considered good.
@@Deathknight50000 well, the genesis ones were great at the time but they still had a really crappy level design. I'd choose mario world over any sonic game at any time. Way better design and controls. But mario world at 1? No. Not by far.
Pat has a similar blindspot someone like me has, but reversed. I was born in 94, first console was SNES (only played mario all stars and a handful of others on SNES), and have been playing games consistently since then. I have gone back and played most of the major games before my time on emulator (but hard to have an opinion playing games decades after release). I missed games before my time, Pat has missed games since what 2010? earlier? 2005? as he almost never plays modern games.
Tekken is the best fighting franchise in my opinion and I would put tekken 7 in my personal top 10 games of all time. That being said I dont expect any list to have Tekken 7 that high but I would expect to see Tekken 3 at least in the top 100 somewhere.
100 is not enough anymore. Especially if you going to feature a solid amount of modern games. Should be at least top 200 or 250, if you want to avoid obvious inconsistencies (i.e. no Sonic the Hedgehog).
I didn’t even read this list when I saw it because I knew it was going to be BS. This happens in music as well. Honestly, music she has much more in common with video games then video games share with movies. People just like to compare movies and video games because they are both visual. It’s almost always the case where the “best albums“ are in the past decade of the young writers life
Two lists make sense today. One having these games that people would find amazing and addictive even today, and another list with the influential games where other games later on improved on the formula.
Pat's salt levels at all-time highs here lol Sorry to break it to you brother there are some great modern games that are significantly better than games from the 80s and 90s
I can't really get upset about this...it all comes down to the tastes of the people working at IGN and how old they are. 25-30 year olds aren't going to have the same warm fuzzy feelings about Super Mario 3 or Megan Man 3 on the NES as the people who grew up with them. God of War was some kids Mega Man 3. Both good games....
@@spencers4121 I do too just in case there are any hidden gems I might have missed but more and more I find IGNs lists to not really be up my alley as I've either beaten the top games they mention or dont care enough for what they're mentioning. I'd be curious to know your top 10 games if you have any. Maybe I can steal games off your list lol.
to tell the truth it doesn't bother me that much does it have enough genre coverage? no but they do mention enough good games didn't see a beat'em up on there but it doesn't surprise me either
They should break them down by decade, 100 best of the 80s, then 90's then 2000's then 2010's, and only allow a certain amount per genre....to choose a hundred across that many decades and genres is too much hassle, and you end up with list fillers like rock band. It like the old adage work smarter not harder.
almightycinder I agree, but there are so many factors and standards that can be used which makes almost impossible to take this kind of lists seriously. It’s an IGN editor’s article writing about his best games - a task to bring traffic to his site. They need to differentiate as well to make mad ppl visit that and comment it. Also where are the handheld systems (some of those were extremely successful in some countries), post ‘00s mobile games, DDoS games and pong-like console games(extremely influential). In the end can a game like Oregon Express or Doom compete with the games that have been produced in the late 5-10 years,like the Witcher series or the extremely popular competitive games?
Love you both! p.s.....Goldeneye is still a blast to play. People say its not so much fun because it essentially launched the genre popularity so everyone has played 100 FPS since. Get a group of 4 together and its still as fun as ever. To Pat's point, the older games belong. Nobody back then said Goldeneye wasnt fun to play. Games should be judged on what was available then, not decades later imo.
The biggest problem I have with top 100 lists is that there has never been a point where I have played all the entries. Other than making a list of my own 100 games, pretty hard for me to fairly judge. In the same way, it drives me nuts when some of the absolute best games ever made are criticized by people who haven't played them. IMO The Witcher III is the best game ever. I've been playing games since 1990, and it has blown away every other experience I have ever had. Often I will hear people criticizing that game being high on lists, while the truth is most of the critics have not played it. Just a personal observation. Obviously we will never all agree on a top list, so they are fun for what they are.
Back in the 80s I was getting shipped around to my grandparents and my uncle my aunt all sorts of family all over the US and that was around when Mario 3 was coming out and I was with my grandparents and we're in California driving around and I remember looking out the window and this kid just got Super Mario Brothers 3 and we're like side-by-side and I'm watching him on a wrap this game that I cannot have and you remember back then how feverish it was to get that game you remember how brutal it felt when you didn't have that game I was heartbroken I was destroyed I didn't get that game at 4 months later I had to watch everyone else play it.
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The thing is, video games have evolved, not only in terms of graphics , though that does help tremendously in certain respects, but also in terms of design, mechanics, performance, memory etc., and have generally objectively improved enormously over what video games were back in the old days: the Atari days, the arcade days, the NES days, and so on, so that it is becoming difficult for something like Pac-Man to hold a candle to any number of newer games coming out... I mean, even compare the retro-throwback/indie scene today to actual retro games, and generally speaking, what is possible to be produced these days is superior to what was possible before. Compare, say, Blazing Chrome to Contra 3, or Sonic Mania to Sonic The Hedgehog 2, or the latest non-vanilla Super Mario World rom-hacks to the actual Super-Mario World... And none of this is to say that those older games that I just cited are by any means bad, or that I don't like them (I grew up with them, like you guys did), I'm just saying they've been improved upon, as many others have, and that's not even to compare something like a Gran Turismo to a Forza Horizon 3, or a GTA 3 to a GTA V, or the original Resident Evil to say, Alien Isolation... In some ways, gaming has definitely backslid (pay-to-win, endless superficial DLC, games being launched in unfinished states, excessive hand-holding, general corporate, focus-test bullshit) and some of the vintage games hold up remarkably well even to this very day, but I'd say overall the medium has grown and improved dramatically, and again, I grew up playing NES and Sega Genesis and PS1, all that stuff, but my opinion on a lot of those classic titles has changed, or, in some cases, I always recognized that certain games were crap, and limited by technological constraints... I mean, even today we're really only in the early stages of what video games can be. The medium has only been around for 45-50 years or so, arguably. Try to imagine what gaming will be 100 years from now. 200 years. 500 years...
A lot of people hate IGN and will probably disagree with my opinion, but I think they actually did a great job with the list. Is it perfect? No. But they clearly explain why they are making the changes that they make and try to cover a broad audience. It was nice to see that Ian was a little bit more reasonable, understanding, and open-minded compared to Pat, who never has a positive opinion of the list. At many times, Pat is seemingly mad just to be mad.
Whoa Portal 2 is way too high up there, it’s like a novelty, something you spend a weekend on then never play again. I woulda put 3D Space Pinball in that place, cause ERYone played that shizz. Or realistically at least put Tetris in the top 5.
I have plenty of my own problems with the IGN top 100, but I don't think Pat has played enough modern games to really have a solid opinion on them being included, specifically when he calls out that there are so many on the list. I love retro games, but I still feel like a 70/30 modern / retro split is plenty (retro meaning ps1 and kinda ps2 generations and beyond for me).
Not that I disagree that 96 is too low, but #96 out of the hundreds of thousands of video games in the world is at least still more than an afterthought.
@@lindyxmjh4589 true, but hundreds of thousands of games are trash as well. only 10% of the total output of all media is worth anyone's time so that is a baseless comparaison to make. whether or not ff7 has aged well is debatable (like with ANY old game), but the influential impact it made for the genre is undeniable. it's impact is so great, that even in non-rpg's we now have rpg elements being used as a staple of their game design. i mean, it was a given ff7 would be on the list, but perhaps closer to the top 30 would have been more appropriate.
@@mogwai_for_sale Again I agree with FF7's placement and influence, but it got there, and saying every that only "10% of the total output of all media is worth anyone's time" and basically lumping every game that didn't make the list together as comparable to the utter trash is also completely fucking baseless. All I'm saying is that when they boiled it all down to the top 100, FF7 was still there so you can't claim it was an afterthought while there are other great games on entire systems like Genesis/Mega Drive or Turbografx that were just completely ignored.
Mandew5 It’s the most well rounded Super Mario I know of and well god forbid they should not put anything Mario and Zelda related at number 1&2.. I understand the soft spot for Nintendo but CMon!! IGN was never perfect but they at least seemingly had better common sense years ago.. I’d personally put Sid Meiers Civ II & Pirates at the top being if I were ever stuck on an island and had only two games that’d be the ones with the most replay value..
I typically dislike best of and top lists because inevitably great games get left out. I think it's more helpful to do top games of consoles because then the majority of great games can equally get their shine, especially where retro games are concerned. There definitely are more than a 100 great games of all time and that list will only keep expanding over the years while other titles will get left on the wayside, which is a disservice to the history of video games.
Breath of the Wild at FIVE?! I know I said this is subjective but jeez. That is absurd. Breath of the Wild is a flawed game. Fun, sure, unique, yes, but insanely flawed. Weapons breaking is almost game breaking, and the lack of dungeons is garbage, enemy variety is lame and the story is just meh, it's open world but that is no excuse for a Zelda game to have almost no story progression and flow. /rant
"Monster Hunter World is on here? *scoff*" - Pat "Yes Pat - its literally the best selling Capcom game of all time, and the most popular/highest rated game from one of the best selling and crazed franchises in Japan." - everyone else
I think most traditional MH games are better than World. With that being said, i love MH world and if someone puts World in their best 100 list. I can understand.
I didn't hear sports titles.. probably because they couldn't even figure out what to do about it. They are swapping random games out for newer games but holding on to some games for nostalgia purposes. My favorite list was when EGM did the 100 greatest games of their time. It was a good way to explain influential games on the list even though they have been surpassed in every way over time. Let's face it.. there is no way Donkey Kong is one of the 100 greatest games, but they put it on this list because.. well.. nostalgia.
The problem with releasing lists like these is that it is totally speculative. In my opinion I'm appalled that horizon zero dawn, uncharted or duck tales aren't on the list. But that's just my opinion
The best top 100 I've ever seen to this day is still EGM 100. That is, console-only, post-NES. Most consoles at the time were represented by at least one game (SMS, Turbografx-CD, Neo-Geo and 3DO each had one title) and there was a good diversity of genres plus a few surprises that would probably make no list today. kirk.is/vgames/powerlist/egm100.html
its really annoying how entire genres are missing, i mean really, a top 100 with no shmups or visual novels? i think the lack of VN's is the most aggregious for me because most of my personal top 10 would be filled with those kinds of games, and is not like theyre that obscure, games like dangan ronpa 1-V3 are massive in the west, same for games like VA-11 HALL-A and even muv luv, alternitive being the most highly regarded game in the genre by many.
FF7 is the beginning of the whole FF series being basically "big haired" garbage. So yeah, i wouldn't put 7 on my top 100 at all. Its all #1 and #6 baby! :) I dont know if Id put Undertale in the top 100 either though. Its IGN's top 100 though, so you can see what their editors value. Its all fun.
Not fair with new games coming out being able to make the list so easily. As they have the advantage of patching and fixing broken/buggy components of a game after release. So what originally came out as a 6 out of 10 could jump to an 8 etc. Old games didn't have this privilege. What came out was what you got. The fact that some of these old classics were made so flawlessly with what they had to work with at the time should hold some merit.
ugh, TF2 not on there? Maybe if this is about closed console player base? But the whole modding scene on it at least had a lifespan that reached over 10 years. If there is a Hunts in FF7 Remake, than YEAH! FF7's gameplay doesn't hold up by today's standard. But we are also not talking about the whole once in a lifetime shift in technology that FF7 was in, like the whole 90s era we have the CD Roms, graphics cards, phone modems, arcades, portables.
In terms of old games this type of list should feature games which are still enjoyable to play today. I would put Donkey Kong 94 over the original Donkey Kong for this reason. Why Ms Pacman and not Pacman? Possibly because it's cooler to like Ms Pacman at the moment. Super Mario World BOOORRRRRINGGGGG. Mario Bros. 3 is a miles better and I'm very glad it's so high on the list. Mario Bros shouldn't be on here because Mario Bros 3 is , unless your talking of the very first Mario Bros in which case that should be on the influential list and not on here. P.S. Pokemon can do one, so many better RPG's out there
IDK dudes! Persona 5 did so much for the franchise. The dungeons alone, elevate the game to the leader of the pack. I would only argue against it if there was a stronger attachment to the cast of characters in other Persona games.
you really cant make a list like this without heavily favoring either newer games or older ones. You could make a whole list just of either old or new games. There are that many good games.
What do you think of this put out by IGN? Do you agree with most or is it off the rails?
www.ign.com/lists/top-100-games/6
I think I'm going to start posting links to Staind's 2001 masterwork "It's Been A While" in response to every video on TH-cam going forward.
Everyone needs much more Staind in their lives, Pat, thank you for the persistent reminders of these, the greatest musicians and genius wordsmiths of our generation... nay.... of the last 70 years of Rock music.
"And everything I can remember
As fucked up as it all may seem
The consequences that I've rendered
Have gone and fucked things up again
Why must I feel this way?
Just make this go away
Just one more peaceful day"
Boy howdy is that ever deep.
It would be cool to see you guy’s top 100 video games of all time. 🙂👍
I've never cared about what IGN puts out. They always come across as tryhards to me.
That list has no personality! I don't know if the placement of a particular game is due to its influence or gameplay. It comes across trying to please everyone and thus becoming bland as f*** only trying to get views.
I mean come on, they listed Atari, Nintendo, Sony PS, PC, Xbox but no Neo Geo games? So, even when it comes to consoles they forgot many. That list is just dumb
The problem with lists like these is that there’s never a distinction between “best” and “influential,” and even if there is, it’s not applied equally
It comes down to preference. If you don't like rpgs and there are 20 on the list it's going to seem off.
I always prefer judging it on what was "influential", but the problem is there are still many games that are considered to have had a great impact on the industry that I have never once played or think about (and in some cases never heard of), so even on a my personal top 100 list there would still be some of those titles missing. So I doubt we'll ever get a conclusive 100% agreed upon top 100 because it's just not possible.
caloricfoil98 exactly. Zelda ocarina of time is arguably the most influential game ever made but not everyone may like that game. So I get what you mean.
@@FlyingV555 I would argue that Zelda for the NES is the most influential. It was really the first game that you "came back to" rather than finishing in one session. It didn't just change the games itself, it changed how games were played.
There's also a sub-divide between best and best for its time. Smurfs for the Colecovision, as an example, is not one of the best games of all time, but it was arguably one of the best games of 1982.
after pat says "It's been a while!" Ian is like "Stahp" and Pat tries to keep his composure and not crack up. That made my day
VMUboy Ian got so annoyed 😆 I was laughing
@@bigduke5902 Stop projecting your own insecurities on other people, it's sad to watch.
I'm with Ian, that song is so annoying and bad (and so typical of the late 90s 'hey lets all rip off and bastardize Eddie Vedder's singing style' crap).
That’s because Staind sucks
Big Duke Damn, son! You really don’t approve of Ian’s life choices, do you?
FF7 is at 96, behind Assassins Creed Black Flag.......
Rubbish game ACBF
Lol assassins creed has no business anywhere near a top 100 games list, that's not even the most tightly designed one either
Brad Skag especially not in front of FFVII.
Loved ACBF but it shouldn’t be on this list
Fortnite better than FF7? Absolutely the fuck not ever!
Where is Sonic or a Sega game? No Phantasy Star, No Shenmue, No Streets of Rage, No Akies of Arcadia this list can go one and on.
Sega is overrated
You were expecting the website who stated that Sonic was never good to put one of his games on their lists?
c0mf0rta61ynum6 how dumb of me to think that a list that contains the “best games of all time” to include such a beloved character, game & franchise.
Sonic the lighting fast platformer that punishes you for going fast at any point after the first level? That Sonic?
Sonic doesn't belong in a top 100 list.
Holy shit, you guys weren't kidding. Not one single game by Sega?!?!
its noteworthy how Sega and Neo Geo arent in the mainstream vision
90% of neogeo games were inferior Street fighter 2 clones. There's nothing that's really held up. As far as sega goes, pretty much every great sega game is bested by a similar Nintendo game.
@@somanymods "As far as sega goes, pretty much every great sega game is bested by a similar Nintendo game." - that's not true at all, ESPECIALLY in the arcade (where Sega had WAY more classics than Nintendo ever produced).
@@somanymods As far as the NeoGeo goes, Metal Slug was excellent, but really only when compared to other side scrolling arcade shooters. Samurai Showdown was pretty spectacular, and not simply an SF2 or MK clone. SNK fighters were all different compared to Midway and Capcom's stuff... they had their own personalities, and if you were great at capcom, that doesn't mean you'd be good at snk stuff.
As far as Sega, Afterburner, Out Run, Hang On, and Golden Axe were all pretty spectacular.
Both companies were best in the arcade, NG's home ports being much stronger than Sega's as the aes was basically the same hardware, but Sega's big sit down arcade units were really pretty great for their time.
So, basically in summary, they were great compared to their contemporaries, but are definitely less impressive in comparison to the 64+ bit eras. Their style of gaming is dead.
As arcades overall are now pretty much all dead, the companies that rocked the arcades just can't be looked at as fondly or with them being considered "important".
@@RP_Williams all of those quarter sucking arcade games have aged very poorly.
@@johnr.1592 maybe back then they were spectacular, haven't really held up.
You really think golden axe was "spectacular"? It's basically just a button masher that you run through once or twice and move on.
I see Pat's point, but how can you be so upset about this list, when you refuse to play modern games? You shouldn't be mad about something you know nothing about.
Yep, he frankly doesn't get a seat at the table at this point.
@@ryanb3721 Huh? I'm sitting at the table.
If it was up to Pat the whole list would be games from 1996 and earlier.
@@PatTheNESpunk you don't know enough about games at this point to have a solid opinion. I think you are a good person to go to for games before 1992
@@ryanb3721 cool opinion bro. Maybe start your own you tube channel and aquire 100k subs. You can talk about modern games for instance.
Just when I thought I was out of top video game lists, they pull me back in.
On a IGN list I’m shocked EA didn’t pay them to have Madden 20 on the list
remember folks, you can't spell ignorance without IGN.
Underrated
Wait, didn't they say they wanted more franchise representation? Which is why they swapped Melee for Ultimate, MGS2 for MGS1, etc.? So why do they have both Half-Lifes, both Portals, both Red Dead Redemptions, 2 Zeldas, 4 Marios, etc? And yeah, I checked the full list: no Sonic, but that classic "Rise of the Tomb Raider" is at 55. The same one Time put in their top 50, less than a year after release. I guess it must be really good.
Finished it this year. Solid game. Not a top 100 game of all time.
The fact that this list has virtually zero games from virtually any Sega console ultimately makes this list a garbage fire. The list looks like it was made by people who grew up in the 90s as Nintendo kids, never knew a next door neighbor who had Sega, graduated to PlayStation, skipped Saturn and Dreamcast, and played every other system like it was part of their job.
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past was #1 on Game Informer's list that came out late last year/early this year. It's safe to say right now that is what people think is the greatest of all time. But it's fluid, and even that list admitted that ALttP swapped spots from Ocarina of Time the last time they made a list. But Ian is right, it's all just opinion and far from a scientific poll, and we shouldn't put too much stock into these lists.
Link to the past is a classic but I don't really see it in the top 10. The only SNES game that really belongs up there is super Metroid imo. Mario 3 should be ahead of Mario world.
Its all subjective, so the list will always be wrong to people.
Yeah the lists are just supposed to be fun - Pat you seem to be a little too mad at this list.
Its like saying "the top 10 flavors of ice cream". Its just fun, its not facts.
You could go off sales numbers, or years around, or what the original flavors were... Or you can just go by 10 people voting too, and none of those are any more real/genuine than the others. Because not everyone tastes every ice cream, or likes the same flavors. And sometimes popular brands sold by a big store like Walmart (so high sales) might be a bad brand of ice cream. And maybe dipping dots future ice cream gets popular, and an old timey guy like Pat says "not my ice cream". Its a silly battle to fight.
We can all shit on IGN a bit for it, but I guarantee we would hate on Pats list just as much ha-ha :) -- "He has Spy vs Spy NES but not the new God of War!?"
@@squidracerX I cannot stand Spy vs Spy!
"Ocarina has dated graphics! Demoted!"
Alright, fine. What's next.
Minecraft.
OKAY...
Minecraft’s graphics are a stylistic choice, that’s a stupid comparison and I can’t stand Minecraft. But that doesn’t mean it’s bad.
What did you expect from the site that gave us "7/10 too much water"
But the actual negative in the review - “It’s not a new complaint, but Hoenn is still imbalanced type-wise, heavily favoring water.” - is valid.
7/10 doesn’t not mean “bad game”
Big pet peeve of mine when older/retro games are immediately considered inferior to modern titles. Games are so much more than graphics they have a soul, a spirit. Honestly, I could derive so much more fun out of pong or Tetris than many modern games today.
You can't spell Ignorant without IGN I will admit there are some good games on the list but I personally find it weird that most of the games are from 2000 on up there are so many great games from the 80s and 90s that I feel should've been on here and I don't like how they swapped out great games for a game that is either the newer or a less superior version better graphics don't make a better game
sounds like the writer just wanted to tell everyone his top ten favourite games and just did this top 100 games as an excuse so he could
Inside is the absolutely mind blowing spiritual successor to Limbo. My favorite game of the past 5 years or so.
@J S Maybe Call Of Duty 16: Call To Nards is more up your alley. I apologize for enjoying this game.
Inside was amazing. After seeing the list IGN made, I decided to make a list of my personal top 100 games of all time and Inside made my list.
No warcraft 2?? No Danny Sullivan's Indy Heat? Pfft, come on IGN, get with the program.
Pat I bought your SNES guide book and it's amazing. Very well done!
I wish IGN would release the archived Slack (or other) discussion that went into this list. As shown by the Giant Bomb podcasts documenting their Game of the Year picks, seeing how the “sausage” is made is fascinating.
What going through this list shows is that there are so many games that Pat either never heard of, never played or bases his opinion on what he says he heard about other people's opinions on them. It just seems like other than games of his youth at some point he became a collector rather than a player. Ian is his source on games because at least Ian has played them but Pat just seems to be full of opinions based on his own lack of experience or the experiences of others. To me that makes his criticism of other peoples lists and criteria for creating lists not relevant or worth paying attention to.
Yeah if you haven't played a game - its hard to have weight to your opinion. Not that my opinion is "right" after having played it, but its nuts to argue when you dont even know what a game is.
I know Ive done it then played a game after and realized I was wrong :)
For example, I played Breath of the Wild and loved it. I bought (but did not play) Assassins Creed: Origins. I made my top 10 games of the year that year, and BotW was up at 3 or 4 and AC:O wasn't on the list at all.
A few months later I played AC:O -- it was everything BotW was but better.
Better graphics, (art style in Zelda was great, Id say that might win in "style"; but especially on Wii U, the pop in and slow down and fidelity - just AC:O beats it graphically hands down), a more complete world (always side quests etc, Zelda had lots of open areas with literally nothing). Finding/upgrading weapons was better, the acting was WAY better, the systems like endurance and weapons breaking weren't as annoying. I really objectively think they were so similar, if you just took Link out of BotW, people would like AC:O as much or better, (but a Zelda game gets Zelda love, always will).
And Assassins Creed's Achilles heel is the dumb "current time" crap, i hate it, they need to cut it; yet I still thought the plot was better than Zelda's.
To this day i stand by that, and people argue with me, first thing I ask is "did you play AC:O?". They usually reply, "well, no". So yeah, you cant argue one game is better than another if you haven't played them both. I thought AC:O looked bad, i bought it off good reviews, left it off my game of the year, and then was blown away by it, had to go back and put it above BotW on my game of the year list.
Not saying I'm right, its subjective, but at least I played both and its an honest fair shake at two games I enjoyed and beat.
Pat having so many blind spots to modern games just makes me think id hate his top 100 list even more ha-ha
As soon as I saw Ocarina of Time at 25 the list lost credibility. Because Breath of the Wild was placed into the top 5, they felt compelled to remove Ocarina of Time from the top 10. They were afraid to look bias towards Nintendo and penalized them for it. It's the same reason why they started the list by saying they were going to cap the number of Zelda and Mario games on the list.
What is everyones top 10 games of all time? I use top 10 lists to find games I might have missed on trying out so maybe I can steal some ideas on what games to play if anyone's willing to share.
Team Fortress. Xcom. Mario 3. Punchout. Street Fighter 2. Red Dead Redemption. Galaga. Doom. Danny Sullivan's Indy Heat. Golden Axe.
I think I've actually put more money into Lethal Enforcers than any other arcade cabinet.
Quest for Glory 1, Shadow of the Colossus, Journey, Yakuza 0, Witcher 3, Stanley Parable, Rayman Legends, Brothers
are some of my current favorites in random order, dont quite have a top ten and missed a lot of older stuff. I'd probably add a GTA game and some racing to get to 10.
If you havent played Inside or Limbo I would highly recommend giving them a chance. Abzu is beautiful also, but very light on gameplay. Papers Please is another very original title, worth multiple playthroughs. All rather short games.
Zelda oot/mm
Dark Souls 3
Catherine Full Body
Smash Ultimate
DKC Trilogy
Braid
Darksiders
MGS
Banjo Kazooie
Mark of the Ninja
The Messenger
Celeste
The Stanley parable
Amnesia the Dark Decent
Conkers Bad Fur Day
Ori and the Blind Forest
The Binding of Isaac Rebirth
Mario Galaxy 2
Hyrule Warriors
The Wolf among us.
No specific order except the first 3. The other games just popped up in my head. I really enjoyed them
Dark Souls
The Last of Us
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Super Metroid
Chrono Trigger
Xenogears
Planescape Torment
Journey
Shadow of the Colossus
Mass Effect 2
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Half-Life 2
Dead Space
Resident Evil 4
Portal 2
System Shock 2
Bioshock
Red Dead Redemption
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
These are my favorites. The first 5 are in order. I've spent a good amount of time going back and playing a lot of stuff I missed growing up. I play old and new games. I would consider every game I mentioned to be an amazing game. Enjoy.
I love these videos. Pat yelling at clouds is always fun content.
Pat is the Snes Book still planning on shipping in November?
It should be arriving at the warehouse any day now and then it can be put into inventory and then shipments can start to go out. :)
Pat the NES Punk thanks for response!
Why dont you two create a Top 100 game list of your own? You have credibility in the gaming community already, and would love to see your input on the subject.
Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts was one of the greatest games of all time!
Super ghouls and ghosts is practically broken with from all the slowdown. I think the Genesis version might even be superior.
I'd say the most shocking exclusion is Sonic. How is a Sonic game not on this list?
Because the writer doesn't enjoy Sonic games? If it is personal opinion, there should be loads of highly regarded games missing, since no one person enjoys all games, even ones that are considered good.
Because sonic games are usually bad with crap game design. and the few good sonic games are just good, but not great
@@AdFZe The newer ones I agree but I meant one of the Genesis titles. Those are all great imo.
@@Deathknight50000 well, the genesis ones were great at the time but they still had a really crappy level design. I'd choose mario world over any sonic game at any time. Way better design and controls. But mario world at 1? No. Not by far.
@@Deathknight50000 if u like the old sonic games u should play freedom planet. That's the best sonic game
Pat has a similar blindspot someone like me has, but reversed. I was born in 94, first console was SNES (only played mario all stars and a handful of others on SNES), and have been playing games consistently since then. I have gone back and played most of the major games before my time on emulator (but hard to have an opinion playing games decades after release). I missed games before my time, Pat has missed games since what 2010? earlier? 2005? as he almost never plays modern games.
Not single Tekken game on this list then well. This can go stright into the trash bin.
Tekken is the best fighting franchise in my opinion and I would put tekken 7 in my personal top 10 games of all time. That being said I dont expect any list to have Tekken 7 that high but I would expect to see Tekken 3 at least in the top 100 somewhere.
Buttslam for DOS isn't on the list???
Thief 2 is widely considered to be a pinnacle of stealth based gaming and the best in the series.
True. Theif 1 got waaaaay more press due to impressive 3d audio out of 2 speakers. Theif 2 was somewhat quietly recognized as superior
100 is not enough anymore. Especially if you going to feature a solid amount of modern games. Should be at least top 200 or 250, if you want to avoid obvious inconsistencies (i.e. no Sonic the Hedgehog).
I didn’t even read this list when I saw it because I knew it was going to be BS. This happens in music as well. Honestly, music she has much more in common with video games then video games share with movies. People just like to compare movies and video games because they are both visual. It’s almost always the case where the “best albums“ are in the past decade of the young writers life
Two lists make sense today. One having these games that people would find amazing and addictive even today, and another list with the influential games where other games later on improved on the formula.
Pat's salt levels at all-time highs here lol Sorry to break it to you brother there are some great modern games that are significantly better than games from the 80s and 90s
I can't really get upset about this...it all comes down to the tastes of the people working at IGN and how old they are. 25-30 year olds aren't going to have the same warm fuzzy feelings about Super Mario 3 or Megan Man 3 on the NES as the people who grew up with them. God of War was some kids Mega Man 3. Both good games....
At the end of the day. It's all opinions
I always used lists like these to scan through and find games / movies etc to try.
@@spencers4121 I do too just in case there are any hidden gems I might have missed but more and more I find IGNs lists to not really be up my alley as I've either beaten the top games they mention or dont care enough for what they're mentioning. I'd be curious to know your top 10 games if you have any. Maybe I can steal games off your list lol.
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Pat, I would like you to do a cover of Staind's- It's been a while. Signed, Everyone.
Pat, you were correct. This list makes no sense.
Goldeneye 64 is definitely fun to play.
I knew this list would be trouble as soon as I saw it announced
I dont like how you guys reacted to hearing Chaos Theory was on the list, SMH
When Donkey Kong placed that high I was suspicious but then we get to the end and I am convinced this was paid for by Nintendo
The snes is the best console of all time
Nintendo did NOT pay IGN for this. IGN is just biased against Sega and heavily favors nintendo.
to tell the truth it doesn't bother me that much does it have enough genre coverage? no but they do mention enough good games didn't see a beat'em up on there but it doesn't surprise me either
They should break them down by decade, 100 best of the 80s, then 90's then 2000's then 2010's, and only allow a certain amount per genre....to choose a hundred across that many decades and genres is too much hassle, and you end up with list fillers like rock band. It like the old adage work smarter not harder.
I think system generation would work better as a way to separate them.
almightycinder I agree, but there are so many factors and standards that can be used which makes almost impossible to take this kind of lists seriously. It’s an IGN editor’s article writing about his best games - a task to bring traffic to his site. They need to differentiate as well to make mad ppl visit that and comment it. Also where are the handheld systems (some of those were extremely successful in some countries), post ‘00s mobile games, DDoS games and pong-like console games(extremely influential). In the end can a game like Oregon Express or Doom compete with the games that have been produced in the late 5-10 years,like the Witcher series or the extremely popular competitive games?
I would love to hear your top 25 greatest games and your top 25 most influential games. It’s all subjective but this topic is always very interesting.
Love you both! p.s.....Goldeneye is still a blast to play. People say its not so much fun because it essentially launched the genre popularity so everyone has played 100 FPS since. Get a group of 4 together and its still as fun as ever. To Pat's point, the older games belong. Nobody back then said Goldeneye wasnt fun to play. Games should be judged on what was available then, not decades later imo.
Wolf3d, Doom, Quake all say hello.
And not one Atari spectrum Amiga or C64 game... I’m calling shenanigans...
My favorite c64 games were definitely the ones I made myself.
The biggest problem I have with top 100 lists is that there has never been a point where I have played all the entries. Other than making a list of my own 100 games, pretty hard for me to fairly judge. In the same way, it drives me nuts when some of the absolute best games ever made are criticized by people who haven't played them. IMO The Witcher III is the best game ever. I've been playing games since 1990, and it has blown away every other experience I have ever had. Often I will hear people criticizing that game being high on lists, while the truth is most of the critics have not played it. Just a personal observation. Obviously we will never all agree on a top list, so they are fun for what they are.
Back in the 80s I was getting shipped around to my grandparents and my uncle my aunt all sorts of family all over the US and that was around when Mario 3 was coming out and I was with my grandparents and we're in California driving around and I remember looking out the window and this kid just got Super Mario Brothers 3 and we're like side-by-side and I'm watching him on a wrap this game that I cannot have and you remember back then how feverish it was to get that game you remember how brutal it felt when you didn't have that game I was heartbroken I was destroyed I didn't get that game at 4 months later I had to watch everyone else play it.
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Ian said "Borderlands 2" and I immediately shouted "FUCK OFF!"
My humblest apologies to my neighbours...
The thing is, video games have evolved, not only in terms of graphics , though that does help tremendously in certain respects, but also in terms of design, mechanics, performance, memory etc., and have generally objectively improved enormously over what video games were back in the old days: the Atari days, the arcade days, the NES days, and so on, so that it is becoming difficult for something like Pac-Man to hold a candle to any number of newer games coming out... I mean, even compare the retro-throwback/indie scene today to actual retro games, and generally speaking, what is possible to be produced these days is superior to what was possible before. Compare, say, Blazing Chrome to Contra 3, or Sonic Mania to Sonic The Hedgehog 2, or the latest non-vanilla Super Mario World rom-hacks to the actual Super-Mario World... And none of this is to say that those older games that I just cited are by any means bad, or that I don't like them (I grew up with them, like you guys did), I'm just saying they've been improved upon, as many others have, and that's not even to compare something like a Gran Turismo to a Forza Horizon 3, or a GTA 3 to a GTA V, or the original Resident Evil to say, Alien Isolation... In some ways, gaming has definitely backslid (pay-to-win, endless superficial DLC, games being launched in unfinished states, excessive hand-holding, general corporate, focus-test bullshit) and some of the vintage games hold up remarkably well even to this very day, but I'd say overall the medium has grown and improved dramatically, and again, I grew up playing NES and Sega Genesis and PS1, all that stuff, but my opinion on a lot of those classic titles has changed, or, in some cases, I always recognized that certain games were crap, and limited by technological constraints... I mean, even today we're really only in the early stages of what video games can be. The medium has only been around for 45-50 years or so, arguably. Try to imagine what gaming will be 100 years from now. 200 years. 500 years...
A lot of people hate IGN and will probably disagree with my opinion, but I think they actually did a great job with the list. Is it perfect? No. But they clearly explain why they are making the changes that they make and try to cover a broad audience. It was nice to see that Ian was a little bit more reasonable, understanding, and open-minded compared to Pat, who never has a positive opinion of the list. At many times, Pat is seemingly mad just to be mad.
IGN over the years have become pure 'clickbait artists', their opinion doesn't hold any weight like it may have in the past.
Whoa Portal 2 is way too high up there, it’s like a novelty, something you spend a weekend on then never play again. I woulda put 3D Space Pinball in that place, cause ERYone played that shizz. Or realistically at least put Tetris in the top 5.
Portal and Portal 2 do not belong anywhere in a top 100 or even top 500 list in my opinion.
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 for genesis should be #50
I have plenty of my own problems with the IGN top 100, but I don't think Pat has played enough modern games to really have a solid opinion on them being included, specifically when he calls out that there are so many on the list. I love retro games, but I still feel like a 70/30 modern / retro split is plenty (retro meaning ps1 and kinda ps2 generations and beyond for me).
ff7 in #96 spot is idiotic. the jrpg that made the genre mainstream in the west was merely an afterthought according to ign heh
Not that I disagree that 96 is too low, but #96 out of the hundreds of thousands of video games in the world is at least still more than an afterthought.
@@lindyxmjh4589 true, but hundreds of thousands of games are trash as well. only 10% of the total output of all media is worth anyone's time so that is a baseless comparaison to make. whether or not ff7 has aged well is debatable (like with ANY old game), but the influential impact it made for the genre is undeniable. it's impact is so great, that even in non-rpg's we now have rpg elements being used as a staple of their game design. i mean, it was a given ff7 would be on the list, but perhaps closer to the top 30 would have been more appropriate.
@@mogwai_for_sale Again I agree with FF7's placement and influence, but it got there, and saying every that only "10% of the total output of all media is worth anyone's time" and basically lumping every game that didn't make the list together as comparable to the utter trash is also completely fucking baseless. All I'm saying is that when they boiled it all down to the top 100, FF7 was still there so you can't claim it was an afterthought while there are other great games on entire systems like Genesis/Mega Drive or Turbografx that were just completely ignored.
Easiest way to tell that Pat doesn't play modern games at all, is him not knowing anything about Fallout New Vegas and Assassin's Creed.
ok so I love Super Mario World,
but to say it's the best game ever of all time ever every time all the time... eh?
Mandew5 It’s the most well rounded Super Mario I know of and well god forbid they should not put anything Mario and Zelda related at number 1&2..
I understand the soft spot for Nintendo but CMon!! IGN was never perfect but they at least seemingly had better common sense years ago..
I’d personally put Sid Meiers Civ II & Pirates at the top being if I were ever stuck on an island and had only two games that’d be the ones with the most replay value..
Mario 3 is even better
When you say doom, you mean the original or the remake?
Cre8tive Cre8tion the original
1. Sonic 2
2. Sonic Unleashed
3. Diablo Immortal
4. Hogs Of War
5. Dr Robotniks Mean Bean Machine
I typically dislike best of and top lists because inevitably great games get left out. I think it's more helpful to do top games of consoles because then the majority of great games can equally get their shine, especially where retro games are concerned. There definitely are more than a 100 great games of all time and that list will only keep expanding over the years while other titles will get left on the wayside, which is a disservice to the history of video games.
Thief 2 is awesome!
I prefer it over the first one.
Breath of the Wild at FIVE?! I know I said this is subjective but jeez. That is absurd. Breath of the Wild is a flawed game. Fun, sure, unique, yes, but insanely flawed. Weapons breaking is almost game breaking, and the lack of dungeons is garbage, enemy variety is lame and the story is just meh, it's open world but that is no excuse for a Zelda game to have almost no story progression and flow. /rant
I didn't like the aspect of no dungeons being included as well.... Maybe Botw 2 will solve that issue.
so does this include pc games? woah he used the word nebulous...
They got #1 correct.
It’s their list, their (editor/-s) opinions.
"Monster Hunter World is on here? *scoff*" - Pat
"Yes Pat - its literally the best selling Capcom game of all time, and the most popular/highest rated game from one of the best selling and crazed franchises in Japan." - everyone else
I think most traditional MH games are better than World. With that being said, i love MH world and if someone puts World in their best 100 list. I can understand.
Hey, do you like those Monster Hunter games??
This is why I never give IGN the time of day.
That list is like My List, I grow up with the SNES. So I am happy with it.
I didn't hear sports titles.. probably because they couldn't even figure out what to do about it. They are swapping random games out for newer games but holding on to some games for nostalgia purposes. My favorite list was when EGM did the 100 greatest games of their time. It was a good way to explain influential games on the list even though they have been surpassed in every way over time. Let's face it.. there is no way Donkey Kong is one of the 100 greatest games, but they put it on this list because.. well.. nostalgia.
The problem with releasing lists like these is that it is totally speculative.
In my opinion I'm appalled that horizon zero dawn, uncharted or duck tales aren't on the list. But that's just my opinion
These lists only work if it's a personal list based on your own opinions.
The best top 100 I've ever seen to this day is still EGM 100. That is, console-only, post-NES. Most consoles at the time were represented by at least one game (SMS, Turbografx-CD, Neo-Geo and 3DO each had one title) and there was a good diversity of genres plus a few surprises that would probably make no list today.
kirk.is/vgames/powerlist/egm100.html
Are all systems represented?
its really annoying how entire genres are missing, i mean really, a top 100 with no shmups or visual novels? i think the lack of VN's is the most aggregious for me because most of my personal top 10 would be filled with those kinds of games, and is not like theyre that obscure, games like dangan ronpa 1-V3 are massive in the west, same for games like VA-11 HALL-A and even muv luv, alternitive being the most highly regarded game in the genre by many.
What a shockingly terribly constructed list.
Undertale rated higher than FF7 🤣 at least FF6 is rated in the 30s.
FF7 is the beginning of the whole FF series being basically "big haired" garbage. So yeah, i wouldn't put 7 on my top 100 at all. Its all #1 and #6 baby! :)
I dont know if Id put Undertale in the top 100 either though.
Its IGN's top 100 though, so you can see what their editors value. Its all fun.
Was Chrono Trigger not on this list or did I just miss them saying it?
It was
why do u always say "a certain "nintendo guide book is certain in the title? ive never heard you refer to it as anything else
He's joking, like he's embarrassed to plug his own book.
Don't they come out with a new one of these about every three months?
Not fair with new games coming out being able to make the list so easily. As they have the advantage of patching and fixing broken/buggy components of a game after release. So what originally came out as a 6 out of 10 could jump to an 8 etc. Old games didn't have this privilege. What came out was what you got. The fact that some of these old classics were made so flawlessly with what they had to work with at the time should hold some merit.
Is Everquest on the list? I mean that game is old enough to vote, and they are still pumping out expansions. 1999 so pre 2000.
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ugh, TF2 not on there? Maybe if this is about closed console player base? But the whole modding scene on it at least had a lifespan that reached over 10 years. If there is a Hunts in FF7 Remake, than YEAH! FF7's gameplay doesn't hold up by today's standard. But we are also not talking about the whole once in a lifetime shift in technology that FF7 was in, like the whole 90s era we have the CD Roms, graphics cards, phone modems, arcades, portables.
Where is DooM on the list?
Edit: It’s 19 on the list. Too low considering what they ranked above it.
Where’s Tetris on TI-83 calculators?!
I would guess Some ign gamers are so young. They never even heard of sega.
In terms of old games this type of list should feature games which are still enjoyable to play today. I would put Donkey Kong 94 over the original Donkey Kong for this reason.
Why Ms Pacman and not Pacman? Possibly because it's cooler to like Ms Pacman at the moment.
Super Mario World BOOORRRRRINGGGGG. Mario Bros. 3 is a miles better and I'm very glad it's so high on the list. Mario Bros shouldn't be on here because Mario Bros 3 is , unless your talking of the very first Mario Bros in which case that should be on the influential list and not on here.
P.S. Pokemon can do one, so many better RPG's out there
My biggest issue with the list.....how is "Super Mario Odyssey" not on the list? That game is top-10 worthy.
IDK dudes! Persona 5 did so much for the franchise. The dungeons alone, elevate the game to the leader of the pack.
I would only argue against it if there was a stronger attachment to the cast of characters in other Persona games.
Was there Tomb Raider or Lemmings?
you really cant make a list like this without heavily favoring either newer games or older ones. You could make a whole list just of either old or new games. There are that many good games.