Leveling up your fighting game learning mentality
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- Do you get discouraged when you lose in fighting games and stop playing? Patrick Miller talks about healthy habits for developing a learning mentality to keep you grinding and getting better. -- Watch live at / pattheflip
NeoGAF thread for learnin': www.neogaf.com/forum/showthrea...
Jason VandenBerghe on play and motivations: gamasutra.com/view/news/200142...
I'm 25 and have been mostly playing single player games since I was 5. What you say is true. With single player games you progressively get better as you gain XP, but it doesn't always mean you are actually in fact better, it's just your character getting more powerful. I've realized as I am trying to learn fighting games as an adult that it is a very different experience. Your character doesn't level up, you have to level up. You have to really be interested in learning and growing as a player. I'm interested in the challenge, but struggling a lot with it. Just trying to change my mindset around it so that I have more fun with the process.
Your story about Zero lightning loops sounds like mine with Electric wind godfists in Tekken 7. I had to develop a training routine, and I lived for the moments in a match where I was able to perform it when I needed to, such as after a backdash or sidestep - creating a whiff and punishing. Those moments felt so rewarding for the time and effort spent putting in the work. Even moments like successfully punishing a super unsafe blocked low with a proper while standing punish were gratifying. I think that's also why I love these kinds of games - playing for the small gains over time.
Also, I totally get enjoyment teaching people how to play fighting games. I hang out with a group of girls I'm slowly getting to understand the basics of these games, and I'm certainly proud of being able to expand people's minds and ability. So I think as e-sports continues to grow and become mainstream, you're gonna have a need for coaches and trainers because there will eventually be more people that want to learn.
1 on 1 gives fear of being exposed.
This is great! It really helps me get into a proper mindset of learning fighting games, rather than rage quitting after getting destroyed.
This guy deserves more subs.
Aaron Conrady its true but the idiots that just want to play fighting games and win and arent good at them will bypass this video because they just want to just press buttons and feel good by winning and quitt if they lose.
This is the type of content I die for. Just found this through my feed. I'm excited to give feedback after watching this.
im 13 minutes and this is definitely a timeless video that i will be returning to and sharing with friends. great content, definitely deserve more subs. keep it up! proud of you. incredibly valuable insight
Thanks for the shout out and thanks for what you do!
+Nina Freeman likewise!
Lol ironically, the "Megaman experience" happened to me as well. I'd go over to friends' house; nonchalantly beat the X games in
Hey Pat, getting into SFV as my first fighting game and just read through Masher to Master and have "Why You Lose in Fighting Games" and "Developing a fighting game gameplan" in my other browser tabs. Love your attitude towards the discipline and learning experience and the way you break down ideas in your explanations, thanks for making the barrier to entry that much easier!
Glad to hear it :D best of luck!
You found yourself a new subscriber. And I told my friends about you. Thanks!
+Myst Thanks so much!
This video was so motivating in so many ways I can't thank you enough for sharing your insight. Great stuff. Roll on Feb 16th
+WingyFailsAtStreetfighter Hell yeah! Thanks for watching!
I'm trying to get back into fighting games and trying to saturate myself with good mindset and habits. I. Picking up samurai showdown soon so I gotta be ready.
I appreciate the upload. It's timeless.
Great video, great advice!
You're very clever my friend. I've been playing tekken 7 for 2 years now and been competing in bjj for 3 years so we have some in common :) great content!
Be my sensei! You hit every pain point in my USF4 career. Now I hope I can apply everything said.
+Richard Chen Good luck! Feel free to ask questions -- I'm on twitter @pattheflip or you can go to ask.fm/pattheflip.
Wow this is really great!
Hey a jus want to tell you that i really appreciate this videos, i already consider you my master. keep it up. thanks
If you're not willing to loose in fighting games, it's not the kind of game for you.
+DL23KMT
Insightful
...or just set the AI to Very Easy. ;)
so you dont quite care to getting good
@@alexmercado4194 the idea is that you don't get good until after you've lost and learned.
Fusion
There’s not really an alternative. If people want to play against real players, they’re going to lose at first. Should we just lie to them?
I can honestly say that I hate SF4 but I can't stop playing it just because I want to feed my hunger to get better. when I win a hard match the joy and excitement go over the roof. Great video btw
How ironic i was thinking about how to apply lifting/working out at home or in a park, writing or even how to be a great College student in comparison to getting better at fighting games and how I view practice akin to skill and creativity. I would think now even after listening to this, that one can apply the very same concepts to just learning and growing at becoming a better player at fighting games. How many of us give at at something we tend to feel how difficult the task is. Failing is the necessity to growth.
Great way to start a video
You'd probably love Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. It's a very similar experience. You lose relentlessly and grow each day. Your first submission is such an insane feeling.
.......watched for another ten minutes. Fucking called it.
It's funny. I have a buddy who's bugged me to play various battle royales with him and my main excuse (which I truly believed) was that I didn't like playing a game where you lose all the time.
Then I picked up Tekken 7... Turns out I love the experience of trying to ACTUALLY improve at something which just so happens to involve getting bodied a lot. I owned up to it and admitted I was a fraud all along. I'm 100% going to start racking up gym buddies.
My biggest hurdle is just dealing with my own insecurities with my goldfish brain that can't remember moves for shit, let alone put them into combos. I literally have to do things 1000x before it sticks, and then it's still a challenge to put it into any meaningful execution.
I literally have no real experience in fighting games besides maybe a couple years of casual smash so I'm having to learn about FIGHTING GAMES as well as taking on Tekken's apparently monumental depth. Anyway, I was farting around in Tekken 7 with "battle royale buddy" who has a lot more experience in other fighting games after a few days of me practicing strictly with Katarina, and unless I was playing Katarina, I couldn't lay a hand on him, even though he had never touched Tekken in his life lol.
I hope my current obsession isn't temporary because the FGC really seems fucking awesome and I'm really enjoying having a game to play that really works my brain!
Thanks for the video!
For my case ..when i first started to learn fighting games... in kof 98 , 2002 , 2002 um and Super street fighter 2 turbo. I learn a lot by watching others play especially pros and take notes. Then i will keep training against the computer using characters that i like and play around with...then i get used to their basic buttons and keep training their bread and butters till it is muscle memory...it is not easy...as i am not talented and keep on using my hard earn tokens( money i save and suppose to spend on recess during school..but u use it to play arcade instead..lol) and keep on playing computer again and again till i completed. And finally i learn the most amount of hardships playing against the pros and getting owned a lot till i lost everything... i will then go back and brainstorm by myself and tell myself what weng wrong over and over again...it takes me a long time to overcome my nerves too when playing human opponents ..it is not easy getting your pride and ego destroyed. Luckily enough..i get to know one guy from the community who is really good...and he teaches me everything regarding the game from A to Z . I dont even know what mindgames is and certain , mixups and knowledge of the game. I trained other his mentorship till i get real good. I also get to know a friend..who is good too and helps me overcome my fears...we tag team together whenever we played against stronger opponents..and discuss strategies before and after games...and even eat together as well. I trained and played with them till i become real pro and even surpassed them. I also train my mentality to be strong as much as possible till my brain cells can even burst....but i still stay calm and compose even under pressure...i also learn that it is not only about playing to win..but being brave to try and experiment new moves and counters as i move up the totem pole. I now can even beat the best players in Singapore in the games that i played. It is such a milestone in my fighting game history even i am not playing professionally. The will to win keeps me going. But i think if you really want to be the very best you can be....you have to have loads of passion in the game, but in order to improve i am actually a nobody if i had not met those couple of friends i have played with over the years . In addition to that...all of us played against a strong community too..without the m i will never ever keep playing those games...it is them that keeps the spirit and the fighting game community alive..
Dude, what a great video. People should watch this. Thanks a lot for this!
+Rick Joga Thanks for watching! Do me a favor and share it around to people who are trying to level up?
Sure, man. I wish the video had subtitles in Portuguese-BR for Brazilians players to watch. It is a "must watch" to all brazilian players, because a lot of us doesnt have this mentality yet. (Sorry for my bad english :P).
Yeah I got to this because I just played one guy like 25 times and only beat him twice and I'm trying to stop my bad habits mostly auto pilotting but it's really difficult
Thanks man I saw video I got better at street fighter 5 thanks man
I feel like I´m too much of a perfectionist. I´ve been fighting and training with my first character in Soul Calibur III for three months now?! I know that it can´t even be played online, but I want that extra training by not starting at the latest ones. I even have to deal with depression, therefore motivational problems from time to time, and preparation for school. So I wonder if I´ll ever be able to even just finish the third installment of it. I´d really like to compete at tournaments. I´m not willing to give up, but it´s tough.
Update?
44:30 "If you're angry at work or angry with your significant other, you don't want to be dealing with that problem angry. You want to be dealing with your anger first, and then you deal with the fucking problem. If you deal with the problem angry, you're probably going to do something fucking stupid."
Really great video about improvement, and video game improvement in general. A lot of these concepts can be applied to League, fighting games, or Soulslike games. Really anything that requires an improvement/progress mindset over a results mindset. gg
Thanks for the great video! Is there a way to play CvS2 online? And as a person who never played it back in the day, do you think it's too late to learn? If not, how to start learning?
+Alex Rudnick Not anything good that I'm aware of. It's never too late to learn, but unless you can find people to play with you nearby, it's probably not worth taking it seriously.
Great video, but I gotta ask. How do you feel about SvC: Chaos?
+christinhell lord. the game is ass but a lot of love went into making it and it does some neat things.
Now teach me to level up my block timing
Just got an arcade stick and it adds so much to me night and day difference. (Mad catz over hori)
Qanba over both! 👍🏽
Are I'm trying to get better at Street Fighter 5
Without my couple of friends and most importantly the community...i CAN NEVER EVER IMPROVE MYSELF AS A FIGHTING GAMER....and i done all this without playing online and playing in training mode . It is all done raw and war hardships in the arcade.....
Great video! One question, maybe you can talk about this in your next video? I don't have any friends that play fighting games. They play video games in general (even competitive games like mobas and card games like hearthstone) just not fighting games, of various reasons (it's too hard, too fast, too much stuff to memorize, execution etc etc). I have tried to teach them SF4 when it got released, like a milion years ago. But no one stuck with it. Most probably the problem is that I just weren't a good teacher. I didn't teach them in a way to catch their interest. I want to try to get my friends to play SF5 now and want to do a better job teaching them. What do you think is the correct or best approach to teach your non fighting game playing friends into playing fighting games with you?
+zhafsan I had that problem too, and I ended up writing a book teaching people how to play: shoryuken.com/2014/07/07/learn-how-to-play-fighting-games-with-our-free-beginners-guide-ebook/
If they're not interested, then I can't help that, but if they are, send them that link (it's free) and see if that helps :P
I hear you, and it's a fantastic book. But the problem isn't that they can't find good learning material, I just don't think shoving them a book is the best first step.
I can guarantee you, if they came to be and asked; Man I just don't understand when I can throw a punch and when I should block. And I replied with, here read this book. They would quit instantly.
I understand that if they don't like the game they won't play it. But they genuinely gave SF4 a chance, but they where overwhelmed with all the stuff they thought they had to know in order to even just play the game that they all quit after a month or two. Kind of the same problem to if you tried to teach calculus to someone in elementary school.
I think I have to be that book for them and teach them the right stuff in the right order at the right skill level. At least as a start so they don't feel super overwhelmed by every unknown factor of a new fighting game.
Maybe I am the one that should study your book more carefully. I feel like I have such responsibility and I can't fuck this up again.
+zhafsan The "Everything You Need To Know About Fighting Games" chapter is basically designed for you to walk through with them. I just wrote the textbook, you need to be the teacher.
This is hard because fighting games are hard. It's not like learning calculus, but it is like learning an actual martial art, and learning an actual martial art is very hard to do without a teacher.
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What are your thoughts on dealing with the mental game as a relatively poor player? One of my game buddies is just plain better than me at fighting games and he consistently takes me and our other main gaming buddy apart.
Dealing with his superior attitude about it is actually more discouraging than losing the match. Otherwise he's a nice guy but when he talks about taking me apart at our next match, I can feel the salt burning and the blood boiling.
I mean, the most satisfying thing to do is to get good and beat him. But not playing with him because he's being a jerk is also a decent choice IMO.
but it is the best way pluss do homework on ur charachter and all u need is to learn ur macthups and find out what u need to do to beat each matchup, but theres always another way to play against a certain charachter with one charachter even low tier can exploit top tier in dif ways u just need to practice and evntually ull find a way
hey I have a question. Im mostly trying to improve and whatnot but what if I have nobody to play with and no online? How will I know im improving?
if you're researching new stuff (learning matchups, getting better combos, etc.) then you'll be improving. without other people to play with your improvement will be limited to the stuff you can practice on your own.
I want to jump into Street fighter 5 & find some other noob friends I can play against who are interested in learning the finer points of playstyles.
Wow, you talked to Cindy Mayweather, the ArchAndroid herse-
"NO NO NOT ON THIS SHOW"
+VertigoCharades (Gah I wish I could remember exactly what the DJ said)
You mentioned you grew up playing games. Do you still play other non-fighting games? And if so, how do you find time to play and still put enough time into fighting games?
I play a few non-FGs a year -- mostly short narrative games like Firewatch and Undertale. I used to play League, too. Since FGs take up most of my game time, I basically don't fuck with other games that take longer than a few hours.
No video can be called "shorter" when you cross the 3minutes line... (actually 1m30sec long is alredy not short by any means) personalty, if a video that I watch is over 5mins I will just trigger the 1.5x or 2x speed in youtube to save time.
But hey, I know fighting games are one of the most (if not the most) difficult game types to learn, so having a short "explanation" is nearly impossible.
Good stuff, keep it up. Btw CvS2M? You know wths good bro! :3
11:52 - Annnnd we got a Ban, that's cool Lol
i get good as fast as possibble by fighting the hardest people online for hrs picking up new mechanics every match by the second day i am as good as the top players, but not everyone picks u[p mechanics as fast and its ok everyone is dif
But you don't win anything.