Agree with you EDC must be stock. Factory knows best. Range and competition shooting is play, if you accidential double shoot there's no downside, there's no stress inducing an accidental trigger release etc.
Thanks for the honest review. I have to say, for a bit more ($375) you could’ve gone with a Grayguns trigger job. Grayguns would have changed all those parts plus a lighter trigger return spring. Additionally, they would have nickel plated all the internal parts after minor fitting. Their triggers come out, lighter and smoother because there’s less resistance on all the internal parts thanks to the nickel plating.
All of the stuff Langdon does you can do at home. I installed a lighter hammer spring and the Grey Guns short reset my self. Not a gunsmith, just watched some TH-cam vids on how to do it lol
They charged you over $250 just to change a hammer spring. It would have been much cheaper for you to have changed the spring yourself. They did not do a "trigger job". That is why they did not give any detail when you asked them. They did not want you to know that they only changed the hammer spring. You should never buy anything from them ever again.
Oh man the p2k. It’s my favorite CCW / do it all gun, but not after tinkering with it for a while. That combat trigger is ugly out of the box. Mine started out da/sa. Instantly installed the gray guns short reset kit. That helped smooth it out a ton. Put in the 10 lb hammer spring by Wolff and that made it light and crisp. But still wasn’t great. After other upgrades, tlr-7a light, milled slide for 508t by wright armory, extended mag release (45c), slim slide releases, and upgraded sights, I still didn’t love the trigger but I learned to shoot it accurate and fast. Then I swapped the da/sa for the 4.1 LEM with short reset kit and 10 lb hammer spring. This is the smoothest my hk p2000 trigger has been. It really is like a bowling ball on glass. 3.5 ish lbs consistently, and no double action needed. 4.1 is reduced take up, and gg srt is the reduced reset. Making it perfect imo. Tack driver now (also 17 round p30 mag with x grip brings it in to this decade. Flush mags without the elephant toe for CCW).
I love LTT, and have had a few Beretta's done by them, but the work that they do to the HKs is something that someone with mechanical skills can do in about 30 mins. They sent you back the OEM disconnector, FPBS and hammer spring. They use the Gray Guns Short reset kit as part of their trigger job. I swapped all of the same parts in my P30s and P2000, only adding the nickel sear spring, and all in, I was at about $110 into it.
Just a minor correction. With the GG kit, the original disconnector is not replaced. The original control latch is replaced and a new one is included with the kit. It's not difficult to do yourself with the help of you tube videos. The kit is well made and makes the reset for a p2000 and P30 well worth the install.
Based on the parts they returned and your dry fire demo, looks like all they did was install the gray guns short reset system and HK Parts 10 lbs trigger spring. Nothing else. Is it worth the upgrade... yes. Is it worth having Langdon install the upgrades... no. They basically charged you over $200 to install the gray guns reset.
I was thinking about sending mine in, but the way they scratched up your sights gives me the impression that they don't really care what happens to your weapon because "they think" they're that good. Not anymore.
Great job making an honest review. I’m a fan of LTT and trust them, but not saying what they’ve done to your HK seems like a rip off. I like to know what changed in case I run into a problem in the future. If you take the gun to another gunsmith he just might replace your ‘custom” parts with factory parts since they’re different. If you knew what was changed, you could inform the gunsmith not to remove those parts. I like their TJIAB, and doing the work yourself is very beneficial to knowing how your pistol works.
Not impressed with the trigger pull you got. They should have replaced your night sights, period! Langdon Tactical charges a lot of money for the work and has the nerve to return your HK with damaged sights? WTF!
I know this is an older video but it was helpful and thanks also for your sharing the info on Langdon. I would be pissed too. Others have said it and I agree the P2000 can be improved to meet your initial expectations by Lazywolf or Grayguns. Both are very experienced with HK's and and do good work. Send it off and do another video for us.
To me the Trigger is fine straight out of the box. I have one it’s a a great firearm and it’s very accurate one of my favorite pistols . but if you really want to feel a difference in your trigger just install a. LEM trigger ..
I briefly swapped between the original and lighter spring on my P2000 and honestly doesn't make enough of a difference to matter. I'm not sure which spring I ended up leaving in there, but there's a very good possibility I have been using the original now for the past 1 year+. Really doesn't matter.
An eight to ten pound double action trigger pull is desirable to make it easier to shoot but safe enough for concealed carry personal defense or a duty weapon. The heavier the double action trigger pull weight the longer it takes to get the first shot off and the harder it is to group tight to the point of aim. Other ways to lighten the double action trigger include Walther’s Anti Stress feature on the P99 and the H&K LEM trigger on the P2000. In both of these solutions the double action trigger travel is still long for safety reasons.
Good review. It's tough to improve these HK triggers in comparison with the berettas. I have a well-broken in usp and the trigger is still meh. A new 92 smooths out much faster. I think with HKs just throw in the match trigger components and call it a day.
I'd have no problem running through competitions with their work; but for home defense and legal carry, I would never touch the factory set up, never unscrew anything, never do anything beyond a field strip. For safety and legal liability reasons. Buy one, break it in for 500-1000 rounds, then never shoot it, dedicate it to defense - buy a second for the range. We live in a rich enough area that two of your core defense pistol is not unreasonable. Last mag on every training session is your carry ammo, for practice. Everything has a lifespan. I would not want to dedicate a pistol to self defense AND range training. Every magazine is another step towards eventual failure, not to mention gunpowder and grit in the action. But I don't believe in voodo gunsmithing. Doesn't look like they were gentle with your pistol and that grease blob is disappointing. Thank you for sharing with us.
By the time you pay everything, it just doesn't look like it's worth it. I heard LT does some decent stuff but in this case I sure don't think it's much of anything for the money spent.
I purchased a trigger job in a bag from them for a beretta px4 9 in 45 ACP. To make along story short, the juice wasn't worth the squeeze - I returned it. In comparison, I purchased a drop in trigger job for a SA XDM from Powder River Precision & it smoked the Langdon stuff.... The difference between stock & the PRP was like night & day.
Good honest video. I have the P30 and P30SK. The guns are super reliable but as you said the triggers are just OK. I have about 6000 rounds through mine and the trigger smooths out nice but it’s still not as nice as my CZs. And the P30SK is noticeably worse than the P30. But with practice I’ve been able to get acceptable with my accuracy. All that said, I trust the HK’s more than any other brand i own, and I have or have had most all of the brands over the years. I am thinking about trying the grey guns flat trigger though. It is s opposed to break at vertical which should help my issues because I have giant gorilla hands.
It's ok if you always keep the barrel aimed in a safe direction. Such as your thigh, calf, foot, random bystanders who might be hit by a richochet off the sidwalk or patient, in fact anything at all we didn't intend to shoot.
I bought the V2 LEM w/nite sights and the trigger pull is fine. The LEM is what you seem to be wanting in your P2000 and your prices you mentioned are low not todays going price.
I’d be interested in comparing to mine. I did just the 10 pound hammer spring, super easy to do. Wonder how much more the rest of their unknown “service” actually gives you.
Thanks for a great review. If you are not familiar with the trigger components an explanation of what they did would have been meaningless. Weigh the da/sa trigger weight and measure the da/sa trigger travel before and after the work to know objectively the results of the work. Shoot before and after the work to know the subjective results.
The gun was never meant to be "match grade" but that being said I would be pissed if they marred up my sights. It's like putting a dent in your car your not happy ya did it but acknowledge you did it and move on. But if someone else does Hell and fury would come down on them.
Doesn’t look like it’s worth the money. Honestly my P2000 collects dust in the safe. All paid reviews cream over the LTT guns. PX4 is an expensive price of junk. I am spectacle about there P30 models.
Hk p2000 and usp are combat (s,d) pistols meant to put holes in things (being politically correct here) they are not meant to be target pistols putting one bullet on top of another.
Hk da/sa triggers are terrible but the the guns themselves are the best on the market. I have an expert 45 with the match trigger and a p2000 40sw variant 3. The expert has about a pound lighter da and slightly shorter reset probably because of the reset screw.
Yes, that's a joke. There is some promotional material HK put out many years ago that shows the same thing. If you put "HK bullets backwards" into Google then the picture will show up. You might not be the first person to notice, but you're the first person to mention it.
@theevenstevenchannel8220 Well, to be honest, I did the same thing when I first started shooting. The guy I was with at the range gave me the hardest time and has basically busted my balls about it all my life. Lol
One of the exact details they don't share is that they mar your sights with a hammer.
It’s ridiculous how they wouldn’t tell you what was done to your HK. That’s why I keep my Handguns STOCK especially my EDC guns. Thanks for Sharing.
Agree with you EDC must be stock. Factory knows best. Range and competition shooting is play, if you accidential double shoot there's no downside, there's no stress inducing an accidental trigger release etc.
Thanks for the honest review. I have to say, for a bit more ($375) you could’ve gone with a Grayguns trigger job. Grayguns would have changed all those parts plus a lighter trigger return spring. Additionally, they would have nickel plated all the internal parts after minor fitting. Their triggers come out, lighter and smoother because there’s less resistance on all the internal parts thanks to the nickel plating.
All of the stuff Langdon does you can do at home. I installed a lighter hammer spring and the Grey Guns short reset my self. Not a gunsmith, just watched some TH-cam vids on how to do it lol
For $200+ bucks, I would just buy ammo and practice…but that’s just me🤷🏽♂️
They charged you over $250 just to change a hammer spring.
It would have been much cheaper for you to have changed the spring yourself.
They did not do a "trigger job".
That is why they did not give any detail when you asked them.
They did not want you to know that they only changed the hammer spring.
You should never buy anything from them ever again.
Did they change the hammer spring, install the short reset parts, drop the slide on the floor, call it a day and send it back? Good chance of that.
@@theevenstevenchannel8220lmfao!
Oh man the p2k. It’s my favorite CCW / do it all gun, but not after tinkering with it for a while. That combat trigger is ugly out of the box.
Mine started out da/sa. Instantly installed the gray guns short reset kit. That helped smooth it out a ton. Put in the 10 lb hammer spring by Wolff and that made it light and crisp.
But still wasn’t great. After other upgrades, tlr-7a light, milled slide for 508t by wright armory, extended mag release (45c), slim slide releases, and upgraded sights, I still didn’t love the trigger but I learned to shoot it accurate and fast. Then I swapped the da/sa for the 4.1 LEM with short reset kit and 10 lb hammer spring. This is the smoothest my hk p2000 trigger has been. It really is like a bowling ball on glass. 3.5 ish lbs consistently, and no double action needed. 4.1 is reduced take up, and gg srt is the reduced reset. Making it perfect imo. Tack driver now (also 17 round p30 mag with x grip brings it in to this decade. Flush mags without the elephant toe for CCW).
I love LTT, and have had a few Beretta's done by them, but the work that they do to the HKs is something that someone with mechanical skills can do in about 30 mins. They sent you back the OEM disconnector, FPBS and hammer spring. They use the Gray Guns Short reset kit as part of their trigger job. I swapped all of the same parts in my P30s and P2000, only adding the nickel sear spring, and all in, I was at about $110 into it.
is the nickel sear spring worth it?
@@erniepulido5968 Definitely. It cleans up the SA and makes the wall more defined. It is the same part that HK uses in the USP Match triggers.
@@DarkPhoenixTSi thank you I ordered the nickel spring, the lighter hammer spring GG Srt and flat trigger Looking forward to it.
Just a minor correction. With the GG kit, the original disconnector is not replaced. The original control latch is replaced and a new one is included with the kit. It's not difficult to do yourself with the help of you tube videos. The kit is well made and makes the reset for a p2000 and P30 well worth the install.
I'd be pissed for that amount of money and scratched parts.
Based on the parts they returned and your dry fire demo, looks like all they did was install the gray guns short reset system and HK Parts 10 lbs trigger spring. Nothing else.
Is it worth the upgrade... yes.
Is it worth having Langdon install the upgrades... no.
They basically charged you over $200 to install the gray guns reset.
I was thinking about sending mine in, but the way they scratched up your sights gives me the impression that they don't really care what happens to your weapon because "they think" they're that good. Not anymore.
Great job making an honest review. I’m a fan of LTT and trust them, but not saying what they’ve done to your HK seems like a rip off. I like to know what changed in case I run into a problem in the future. If you take the gun to another gunsmith he just might replace your ‘custom” parts with factory parts since they’re different. If you knew what was changed, you could inform the gunsmith not to remove those parts. I like their TJIAB, and doing the work yourself is very beneficial to knowing how your pistol works.
I’m a new HK P2K user. I appreciate your work as it helps me get caught up with details and useful data.
Not impressed with the trigger pull you got. They should have replaced your night sights, period! Langdon Tactical charges a lot of money for the work and has the nerve to return your HK with damaged sights? WTF!
Thank you. Saved me some money
I know this is an older video but it was helpful and thanks also for your sharing the info on Langdon. I would be pissed too. Others have said it and I agree the P2000 can be improved to meet your initial expectations by Lazywolf or Grayguns. Both are very experienced with HK's and and do good work. Send it off and do another video for us.
To me the Trigger is fine straight out of the box. I have one it’s a a great firearm
and it’s very accurate one of my favorite pistols . but if you really want to feel a difference in your trigger just install a.
LEM trigger ..
I briefly swapped between the original and lighter spring on my P2000 and honestly doesn't make enough of a difference to matter. I'm not sure which spring I ended up leaving in there, but there's a very good possibility I have been using the original now for the past 1 year+. Really doesn't matter.
An eight to ten pound double action trigger pull is desirable to make it easier to shoot but safe enough for concealed carry personal defense or a duty weapon. The heavier the double action trigger pull weight the longer it takes to get the first shot off and the harder it is to group tight to the point of aim. Other ways to lighten the double action trigger include Walther’s Anti Stress feature on the P99 and the H&K LEM trigger on the P2000. In both of these solutions the double action trigger travel is still long for safety reasons.
Note to self never send my gun to landgon tactical. I’d be pissed if that was my gun
Good review. It's tough to improve these HK triggers in comparison with the berettas. I have a well-broken in usp and the trigger is still meh. A new 92 smooths out much faster. I think with HKs just throw in the match trigger components and call it a day.
I'd have no problem running through competitions with their work; but for home defense and legal carry, I would never touch the factory set up, never unscrew anything, never do anything beyond a field strip. For safety and legal liability reasons. Buy one, break it in for 500-1000 rounds, then never shoot it, dedicate it to defense - buy a second for the range. We live in a rich enough area that two of your core defense pistol is not unreasonable. Last mag on every training session is your carry ammo, for practice. Everything has a lifespan. I would not want to dedicate a pistol to self defense AND range training. Every magazine is another step towards eventual failure, not to mention gunpowder and grit in the action.
But I don't believe in voodo gunsmithing.
Doesn't look like they were gentle with your pistol and that grease blob is disappointing.
Thank you for sharing with us.
Manufacturing processes are highly proprietary and must be kept secret unless protected by a patent.
By the time you pay everything, it just doesn't look like it's worth it. I heard LT does some decent stuff but in this case I sure don't think it's much of anything for the money spent.
I purchased a trigger job in a bag from them for a beretta px4 9 in 45 ACP. To make along story short, the juice wasn't worth the squeeze - I returned it.
In comparison, I purchased a drop in trigger job for a SA XDM from Powder River Precision & it smoked the Langdon stuff.... The difference between stock & the PRP was like night & day.
Nice, you saved me some money.
Good honest video. I have the P30 and P30SK. The guns are super reliable but as you said the triggers are just OK. I have about 6000 rounds through mine and the trigger smooths out nice but it’s still not as nice as my CZs. And the P30SK is noticeably worse than the P30. But with practice I’ve been able to get acceptable with my accuracy. All that said, I trust the HK’s more than any other brand i own, and I have or have had most all of the brands over the years. I am thinking about trying the grey guns flat trigger though. It is s opposed to break at vertical which should help my issues because I have giant gorilla hands.
"stage the trigger while drawing".. not a good idea..
It's ok if you always keep the barrel aimed in a safe direction. Such as your thigh, calf, foot, random bystanders who might be hit by a richochet off the sidwalk or patient, in fact anything at all we didn't intend to shoot.
I bought the V2 LEM w/nite sights and the trigger pull is fine. The LEM is what you seem to be wanting in your P2000 and your prices you mentioned are low not todays going price.
I’d be interested in comparing to mine. I did just the 10 pound hammer spring, super easy to do. Wonder how much more the rest of their unknown “service” actually gives you.
Thanks for a great review. If you are not familiar with the trigger components an explanation of what they did would have been meaningless. Weigh the da/sa trigger weight and measure the da/sa trigger travel before and after the work to know objectively the results of the work. Shoot before and after the work to know the subjective results.
The problem with the P 2000 isn’t that its not smooth, its that it has way too long of a trigger reset.
Funny, when I took my P2k out the first time i had the same high left grouping pattern that you have. Thought it was me.
The gun was never meant to be "match grade" but that being said I would be pissed if they marred up my sights. It's like putting a dent in your car your not happy ya did it but acknowledge you did it and move on. But if someone else does Hell and fury would come down on them.
Send it to Bruce at GG.
Doesn’t look like it’s worth the money. Honestly my P2000 collects dust in the safe. All paid reviews cream over the LTT guns. PX4 is an expensive price of junk. I am spectacle about there P30 models.
Hk p2000 and usp are combat (s,d) pistols meant to put holes in things (being politically correct here) they are not meant to be target pistols putting one bullet on top of another.
If it’s your defense gun then you shouldn’t have changed a damn thing. ( it’ll void your Hk warranty too. )
Hk da/sa triggers are terrible but the the guns themselves are the best on the market.
I have an expert 45 with the match trigger and a p2000 40sw variant 3. The expert has about a pound lighter da and slightly shorter reset probably because of the reset screw.
If I had to guess from what I have seen with the 92 and px4 is they work on the hmer the sesr and hammer strut.
Check out lazy wolf
The magazines are loaded incorrectly in the front cover photo. They rounds are inserted backward.
Yes, that's a joke. There is some promotional material HK put out many years ago that shows the same thing. If you put "HK bullets backwards" into Google then the picture will show up.
You might not be the first person to notice, but you're the first person to mention it.
@theevenstevenchannel8220 Well, to be honest, I did the same thing when I first started shooting. The guy I was with at the range gave me the hardest time and has basically busted my balls about it all my life. Lol
What do you have on the accessory rail?
Right, that's an attachment point for a Blackhawk Omnivore holster. I put it on most of my handguns and they'll all go into the same holster.