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- So the Tour de France Hommes is finally over, and after 3 glorious weeks of racing we have a brand new winner in Denmark's Jonas Vingegaard. But how was his race won? Si takes you through the race, as well as the opening stage of the Tour de France Femmes Avec Zwift and the Ethias - Tour de Wallonie plus fresh transfer rumours!
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What was your favourite moment of the Tour de France Hommes? Let us know in the comments below! 👇
The Tour de France Homme ? Has the race been renamed or did you guys decide to do it for them, I don't see it o their website?
Do you mean the Tour de France Hommes sans Zwift? Lots of memorable moments but team JV finally finding a way to gain big time on Tadej Pogacar in the Alps stands out as a definitive moment, which made the whole race into the epic that it went on to be.
Jonas waiting for Tadej after his crash at stage 18, and Tadej appreciating it nicely.
Tour de France Hommes 👎- please stop with this garbage
Team presentation. I was not in Tivoli but a long the "course". And then even soaking wet and freezing in the rain during the tt, and just after there bridge in Nyborg with a view over the bridge. And again the next day with Magnus in a solo breakaway somewhere along the road. We soaked up every bit of the tour we could.
And now G is coming to tour of Denmark.
Vingegaard and Pogacar is the best that happened to the sport for a long time.
Cant wait to follow those two super athletes and gentlemen for years to come
Vingegaard's winning yellow bike had a fun play on his name as well! "Jonas vinder gult"-"Jonas wins yellow!"
We missed that! great spot
@@gcnracing he didn’t play it for the cameras as much as Wout, I had to look it up afterwards to be sure ;)
That and Team Jumbo Visma (TJV) as in Team Jonas Vingegaard (TJV).
Also a fun name the Danish commentators called him Jonas Vindegaard (Winninggaard)…
@@Gullbrand_ hahaha that’s fantastic! I’m always curious about the different commentary styles and tones, especially for an event that’s covered in so many countries. Even the difference between the US and UK coverage is HUGE, and those are both in English!
Wout van Vert! 💚💚💚
I swear, Jonas and Wout are the cutest dads and their little ones the sweetest podium kids, just missing Roglic. Already looking very podium-pro, kids!
They Call them twins in belgium
Im from Denmark - Jonas V.'s dad told on danish tv that Jonas at age 16 did the Alpe d' Huez in 42 min 😀 Pantani on drugs did around 37 min
Watching Jonas in the Vuelta 2020 and dropping Roglic and the rest on the Angliru with each pedal stroke..only to drop back for Roglic proved to me that he would be great!!
All hail the New Titans of this sport
So much this!! Even as a Dane, that's when I realised his talent!
WVA wasn't 6 points short of having the same amount of points as the 2nd and 3rd combined but 56.
Yeah quite a silly oversight by them.
That’s because their Statistician, the legendary CIllian Kelly is still recovering from his epic ride.
More impressive than that, Wout Van Aert has finished top 5 in KOM points last 2 seasons, if he wants to go for green & polka dots in 2023, he could do it no problem. The only other rider who won both jerseys in same season was fellow Belgian 🇧🇪 the goat 🐐 Eddy Merckx in 1969. Which would be a most epic feat.
I was about to make the same comment. Someone at GCN is bad at maths
Maths isn’t his forte I guess
Kudos to GCN and your sportsmanship for pointing out that Pogačar didn't loose anything. Another GC-win would have just been another number on a record list. His performance in total and his display of racing spirit and pure excitement for riding after having to give away yellow added so much more to his all time standing and to the fascination f the sport. Vingegaard, "vanVert", the DS of JV are no short with their contribution to the best TdF - possibly ever - at least since Hinault/Fignon/LeMond. Can't wait till this race starts again, hopefully with Roglic able to join it with optimum support. All such outstanding talented, great, fair and sympathetic sportsmen! And by the way: Did anyone realize, how well it served that event, that it hasn't been overshadowed by crazy dangerous sprint stages on narrow roads in the first week (ok, the cobbles could have turned out worse in bad weather ...). So hopefully the organizers finally learned their lesson as well - the course was just about perfect! Vive le Tour!
It's awesome that you close up your summary of the TdF-men with Hugo's win. Very nice. That was an epic moment that brings the TdF to this legendary level, beyond a simple sport event. Hugo is humble, solid and devoted. That was great to see him take a win. This is also great for canadian cycling!
Vingo's upbringing in cycling was completely normal as far as I can tell.. Been training since he was a little kid, learned to fight because he was so small and lossed a lot. Kept going trying to become pro and he finally succeeded because of he's extremely gifted genetics, love for the sport and enormously huge will to fight!
👍
I am a Strava local legend and I hope I get signed one day by a world tour team
i sign you
We can all hope 😂
Get a job at a fishmongers then
Me too, but just that little part on Washington Blvd.
Christian Andersen with him on Col de Rates.. Best person for bringing him up to the level where Jumbo where interested. Christian believed in the potential all the way. These days it is the talents on Uno-X that are lucky to have his expertice on board. ❤️ Houle your win gave me goosebumps. Also a thanks to Houle in helping Jonas back to the peloton after his crash. Going to Glyngøre tomorrow for a dinner in restaurant Limfjordens Hus.
Exited to see how the small city are preparing for the homecome of their hero Thursday. They guess more than 10.000 people will be there.
Thanks Si and crew...this was the most exciting TDF I can remember....for many reasons !
it was one for the ages
That glance from Philipsen tho. 😁 That's like the perfect bit of thing to close this TdF. Absolutely epic footage there.
"Thanks for the lead-out, mate"
Why would Roglic has to leave JV? Reading from Roglic's interview over the years, he said that of course, he wants to win TDF, but it's not an obsession. He seems to be a team player. Looking at the personality of Roglic, he is no Froome, Thomas, or Bernal who over the year, wanted to put their stake as "the leader". I didn't get that impression from Roglic. Besides JV is better when they come to TDF with the co-leader again. Just because Jonas won this year, that doesn't mean he can win again solely against another team with multiple leaders. And using Roglic as a super domestique is a waste of talent and opportunities. Unlike Thomas, Roglic still wins stage races, stages, and one-day races. The way I see it, it's an excellent position for JV. 2 leaders with potentially dominating TDF. You never know, maybe next year Jonas suffers what Pogacar had this year. Besides, I didn't see Jonas, as dominant as Pogacar. (at least not yet?) Jonas hasn't won as many races as Pogacar. Perhaps the media is just drumming up what's not there? I just don't see that Roglic will switch teams solely because he wants to win TDF. JV setup is perfect for Roglic. They have managed to help Roglic progress to where he is. Crash of bad luck or crash of his mistake is just the only thing that prevents him to win TDF.
Pogi took the Jersey from Roglic without crashes or bad luck.
Roglic Can Take Giro or Vuelta instead. TdF is now JV’s - and JV showed that you dont need to be a High stake Leader to win. He did it his way and in many ways in a Classic way without the Big fuss.
If a big team like Ineos pay him a big salary and make him the leader having a strong team ride for him, I can imagine this would be hard to turn down.
Jonas vinegar is a hell of a rider 😅
😄
That title is misleading suggesting that he was unknown before that climb posted on Strava. Jonas was known as a good cyclist and was on a Danish (Junior) Conti team Coloquick but as Denmark is flat with no hills and lots of wind the riding suits the bigger stronger guys whereas those small guys suited to mountains like Jonas battled to win anything.
The team went on a high altitude training camp in Spain and it was there that Jonas set an exemplary Strava segment on the de Rates climb and this was sent by the team coach to JV and they took note.
Also that fish market job was secured for Jonas by the same Danish cycling coach to give him some structure to his life while waiting to be picked up on a contract (and to build some muscle) - Jonas took the very job that Kasper Asgren vacated when he went fully pro.
Wow thanks gor more insight
Hmm Are you sure it wasn't Michael Valgren's former job? Almost sure I heard Valgren say that in some interview from Monaco..
@@dkvikingkd233 Hmm, I'd read that it was Kasper Asgren but I may be mistaken.
@@epincion Remember that Asgren is from Kolding mid-southern Jutland Wheresas Valgren is also from Thy growing up only about 5 km from where Vingo grew up close to the western sea.
Roglic should be a super domestique for Jonas on the year to come. Roglic is prone to crash. He is a demi-god in La Vuelta though.
Roglic will want to win the TdF. And if that is the case, he will have to switch teams.
He is most likely going to ineos, he is a champion not an assistant.
Vuelta… who cares!?
@@favoritefrontrangehomes7235 I know three : Roglic, me and Spanish people
@@favoritefrontrangehomes7235 i do
Si commentary here is breathtaking! Felt just as fast as the Tour's pace. Awesome video !
Glad you enjoyed it!
2:04 286+250=536. Your math was a little off, Si. His score was 56 points off from the next two combined, which is still super impressive though.
I think they recorded it before the last stage. If you delete Philipsens points gained in the last stage...
@@JonathanvG-wj1ro Don’t think so, the description of the time gap between Vingegaard and Pogacar was correct, but it was much larger before the final stage.
Thanks Si and what a tour. Even better that I have the week off to watch the ladies tour. Lou Lou is out with COVID-19.
2:00 Don't do math(s) on the air Si :)
What is he talking about They both will be leaders next year as well. They both being leaders is the reason they won. They both should be the leader next year
You should really just call Jonas Vingegaard by his first name "Jonas". It's hard to butcher his last name much more than was achieved here. :)
Good video though.
Jonas Vingego
I thought it was a nice attempt. Better than Vinge gAAHd
Jonas deserve a super delux service since tour is over!
I have made a KOM on an isolated Northen Canada climb today with 6 riders on the Strava segment. Please hire me
“I am the king of France”
*drum flourish*
-Rejected
Great recap video Si !! I can’t believe Ineos got the team classification considering how successful Jumbo were 🤷🏼♂️ and Roglic is contracted up till 2025 soooo would have to be bought out?? Plus there are many leaders in Ineos 🤔
There is no question that Jonas Vingegaard was the equal to Pogacar in this year's TdF, but the main reason Vingegaard took yellow and ultimately won was his team. Pogacar made some crucial errors on stage 11. He wasted far too much energy chasing down attacks from Jumbo Visma on this stage which imo led to him cracking at the end of the stage. Still, hats off to Vingegaard for his incredible victory and the fact that he has literally come from out of nowhere to the pinnacle of modern cycling!
This is best presenter for gcn network.
Was Roglic also discovered by the Dutch team in a MTB race in Slovenia?
strava KOM rider turned Tour champion I love his tenacity the curve of his progression is incredible entire team a really Laporte whos impovement at that age is bothersome , who never never won a wt stageuntil this year was with WVA, and MADS the 3 stringest rouleurs in tour just year or two ago he was being dispatched in Norway by VDP like an U-23 hes been this years sonny colbreli in sprinter without much if any prio success turned all around tralent not only sprinting betterv than ever he was climbing, time trialing. Had Primoz stayed healthy spit ambitions like T bobile in 1997 and two on podium. All Doms having career years it was wild a peloton decimated by covid dnf's with such low numbers and sofew stages win by GC raced at full gas friom start tio finish of stage to be fastest tour in hitory by .5 kms deserves a lot motre coverage .
A full healthy peloton and a team riding in efficient train form the most efficient by far aero and fastest but this tour where team of 5 pulled t mobie green and yellow Bjarne somehow kept his and Zabel was erased from records so I could understand decimated field pull off incredible feat because of it but not while setting fastesttour im process defies logic. Its very peculiar. Also we know Jonas Vngegaard Rasmussen isnt it full name why not just own it? JV knows the playbook and has for last couple years wit documentaries and netflix now this year , despite no covid positives with al extra interaction making their success also successful for UCI we've seen this with sky, Postal, Mapei, La vie claire they are doing best to control narrative? Feels too familiar from last 365 years of watching. Liked it more when you saw youth progression and pedigree develop. Looking forwards to Lombardia and worlds.
His first stage race win was at the UAE tour 2021, stage 5 up Jebel Jais - not Coppi e Bartali
Si: your pronunciation and cadence/meter when delivering all this information is amazing and appreciated... we all thank you. Well-at least-I sure do.
His English pronunciation of Simon Geschke is horrible.
Champion
At age 30 Roglic is done as a TdF contender. He had his shot a few years ago when he got beat by Pogocar in the last TT before Paris. Roglic will have to be satisfied as JV's helper or move to another team. These young twenty something riders are unbelievable. It's hard to believe a talented rider like Roglic is past is prime at age 30.
You're not past your prime at 30 XD Wasn't there a 36 year old guy on the podium?
@@alexseguin5245 Yup but was he a GC contender?
I'd agree Roglic is probably past his prime now, but more importantly, Pogocar and Vinegaard are a step above in the GC competition. If Ineos hopes to contend for the top spot, they'd probably do better to cast a wider net for several young potential GC riders, than pay a very large amount to Roglic to win a few week-long stage races, a couple TT's and maybe a Classic.
If the tour and its riders are cleaner than in the past, it seems that the winners will be younger and smarter, with the best teams. To me it makes sense, more so than the last Dane to win the TdF, Riis, coming out of nowhere to win at 31yo.
Geschke lost the KOM t-shirt on the *first* mountain of stage 18, not on the *last* one. Sure, technically Jonas only got those KOM points when he won the stage, but Simon had no chance to win that stage anyway. Simon's best chance was being in the breakaway and getting enough points on Col d'Aubisque to secure the jersey. Sadly for him, he could not regenerate enough after the previous stages and he didn't have the legs on that day.
Polka dot competition was a joke this year with Geschke almost winning. He is nowhere close to being a top climber.
I love the use of the word 'regenerate' in this context😂
Who’s the best climber Geschke or Jonas? This jersey belongs to the best climber which is Jonas by far!!!
GCN, why don’t you say Vingegaard’s name correctly, like the way the announcer said it during the final awards ceremony?
ooooh i would LOVE to have seen the faces of the eurosport-gcn crew when they heard about roglic's vertebrae and riding through it as long as he could for a week, after the way they'd dumped on him when his DNS was announced.
for the remainder of the tour it was almost entirely along the lines of 'idek why he's dropping out now, how bad could it be if he could ride for a week more, i don't see why he can't keep riding? what a loser!'
Vingo 4 ever💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
1:40 Do they rent babies for people to hold on the podiums?
Some real men make them themselves before arriving France ...🤷🏼
Still want to see Mariana Vos, Annemiek van Vleuten, Lotte Kopecky, and Elisa Balsamo in sprint.
How can the young ride jersey be consecutive since on day 1 no one wears any of the GC jerseys? So there is a break in the action
After Total Engergie had the pleasure of hosting the _spectacularly unsuccessful_ Peter Sagan (and his retinue) for this season at the expense of all their other cyclists, I wonder what team is chomping at the bit to pay the Manx Missile an exorbitant fee to pretty much do nothing for 2023?
Nice
As a Dane. You pronounce the Vinge bit correctly. The Gaard bit you pronounve as in Store with a G instead of St. The D at the end you donøø pronounce
Hugo’s last name is pronounced “Houle,” like “ghoul” without the “g.”
Cheers!
Thanks for the correction
Why would you think Roglic doesn't want to support Vingegaard in the next Tour? Sure Primos is a true winner and I am sure he still has the ambition to win the Tour, but he is also a realistic person, and he knows full well that Vingegaard currently is the better, I should say the best, GC rider. Roglic will never go to Ineos, not in the coming years at least. He is happy with TJV and he owns them his career. Also, as if Ineos has no GC contenders...
Completely agree
He has been mentoring Jonas and based on the reports of Jonas having performance anxiety I think he might enjoy being apart of a winner.
Who is the best GC rider depends on the route.
@@arnoldhau1 Not really, the route has an influence, but the differences are minimal when it comes to true GC contenders. Given the fact that the TdF is the most competitive stage race, we can easily assume Vingegaard is the best GC rider at the moment. In any case, he would likely win a GC contention if it would be a Giro or Vuelta route. Without a question.
@@JonathanvG-wj1ro no. In a Vuelta like scenario Pogacar as the way punchier rider or Roglic would be favourite still. But we will never know.
I've been wondering why Jonas wasn't the winner of the White Jersey since he is 25?
Me too?
Because he turns 26 within this year
@@Perle0507 but he was 25 at the time of The Tour. It shouldn’t be retroactive. That doesn’t make sense. “Hey, 2 years from now you turn 26 so you can’t win”. That doesn’t make sense. It’s the age at the time of the race.
DNS ALAPHILIPPE Stage 3 Ethias-Tour de Wallonie
Someone turned back the clock to the 9th century! However, 2022 was a more successful raid of Pairs than 845 CE! Congratulations Viking TDF riders! What a performance by Jonas, Wout and Magnus!
And Mads Pedersen ;) - we are still preparing to invade the world - starting with Russia this time :D :D :D - we might ask for allies :D
@@jeschristensen8965 I’m sure the US is spearheading that so I’m opted in anyway. However, given the choice I would likely have chosen raiding with the Vikings rather than being involved in a nuclear holocaust!
WVA was awesome, but he can’t do it all every day. I get kind of tired of people saying he can as it leads to the Kate Wagner questions. I’ve noticed that he takes rests every so many days. For example he came in 20 min down on stage 17. His ability to suffer goes way back to his teenage years in cyclo-cross with multiple races per week in wretched conditions.. I think having a less intense classics season left him with less racing in his legs.
I agree on the rest days to recover, he paces his energy expenditure very well. Those 'rest days' are also a time honored way of deliberately losing lots of time on GC so as to be allowed to go on breakaways by the peloton in a GT.
Let it sink in that Vingegaard might have beaten WvA in the final TT had Vingo not stated celebrating early? V's actual weight is 58kg or less. I think Vingo was holding back in the mountains.
@@jasonstevenson110 "Might" have beaten WVA, is the operative word. Yes I agree its quite possible he could have taken the stage.
At the last check point Jonas was 1.32 sec in front of WVA and the TT course after that was the most difficult section comprising a long stiff hill climb followed by a steep technical descent and then a 1.7km climb from the valley up to the finish. Jonas was going full gas until he had a slip on the descent at 2.5km to go and only just managed to save it - at the time he was doing 70km/hr and a crash then would have probably ended his tour.
After that scare he was very circumspect for the rest of the descent and only went back to max effort for the last climb until just before the last right hand turn into the finishing straight when he visibly reduced his effort and started smiling at the crowd.
Reports say the WVA while watching this said something along the line of 'he is giving me the stage' and it's also clear that Jonas by then knew from the radio coms with his DS that WVA and himself had both beaten Pogacar's time.
@@epincion Yes. But few seem to realize the significance of this. Apparently his true weight is 58kg, maybe even less. This is up there with Pantani's TT's in 1998 (hint). And look at Vingegaard's record prior to the 2021 TdF. Nothing other than a Strava KOM that would suggest what has since eventuated. We know some riders respond better (another hint). Gifted genetics? I don't see any evidence of that in his pre 2021 results.
@@jasonstevenson110 It seems that you are a conspiracy nutjob
Vingegaard’s name sounds a bit like winthegold (with German accent:) )
The victory is already in his name.
I’m not a numbers guy but 286 + 250 = 536. That’s more than 6 more than WVA’s 480 points.
Simon, its Vingegaard (think wing+god), not vinegar
Caleb Ewan went home as Lanterne Rouge.
Tried getting Glyngøre karry sild to celebrate. Only to see an empty shelf.
it’s because vingegaard wore the same helmet like jumbo😂
When you pronounce Jonas Vindegaards name, it sounds like Vindego. Maybe you should consider to get it right🙂.
Curious about what’s on Vingegaards cap. What is it?
the box on the back is the Netflix mic for the netflix series comming in 2023
HEMA is a well liked Dutch store
Oh ok. Cool. I thought it's some sort or head cooling tech.😁
@@joskoevoet9569 I did wonder why he was promoting Historic European Martial Arts. Would have been interesting to see him interviewed on Schola Gladiatoria.
@@joskoevoet9569 What's liked in Holland, except for weed?
His name is NOT Vinegar and it is NOT pronounced like that. 🤣
Vingego
jonas vingegaard vingegaaaaaaaaard errrr
Does Si look like a Star Trek officer on yellow ...? what?! way!!! to geek reference? just saying give it a chance and let me know people. hehe.
Winego
250+286-480 doesn’t equal 6
Why cant you say Vingegaard properly?
Kom så Skjeldmose.. 🙏
Ah DSM...the world tour farm team with another rider transfer to more professional team...unless your last name is Bardet. Seriously, I feel like all the WT teams pay franchise fees to keep DSM in the pelaton as long as they can use the team as their bench🤣
If you fail in basic math look on the brightside you could end writing scripts for cycling videos
2:03 that’s some really bad math
What IT means "Jumbo-juice" ?
Vindigo?
I really hate when such a professional media is speculating about the future of no.2 cyclist in the WT based on some unconfirmed rumours. There is no reason for Roglic to change the team. TJV won’t change the winning tactics with two co-leaders in the future, and Roglic is a valid co-leader without any doubt. If he didn’t crash that hard, he might well be in the yellow today. Just be more professional, please.
Wait roglic transfer?
Only a rumor
I wonder if there is an official way how to pronounce both Vingegaard and Hugo Houle 😂
Hint: It's not the way Si pronounces it
Or Groenewegen. Or Pogačar. Or… ;)
It seems that many english speakers say Vinnego, which is close but not quite correct. It it more like the sound in ‘wing’ but with v and an awe(some) sound - so wing.e.gaw! :D
I have a KOM….
Vinnagow
It's not "Vinge-go". You would be very close, if you pronounce it "Vinge-gore" with "Gore" in a British accent (not working as well with an American accent). Dane here.
Or like ving.e.gaw (like in wing and awe(some)) :)
Jonas Vinego? Huh?
The tour was won with those 2 riders from jumbo wore out the pog
Yeah, No. Vingegaard would have won it anyway
@@gustavsnderlund1782 Lol put Pogacar on Jumbo and Vingegaard on UAE and there’s no way it’d be the same outcome. Tadej would win by 10+ minutes 🤣
@@W4TSKY lol No he would not…. 😂😂😂
Jonas Vindigo😅😅
so much doping... holy mollyyyyy
Why is he pronouncing his name like that???? I swear he's talking about some other rider😅
Vingegaard not vindegoat.
Tour de France 'Hommes'? It's just called Le Tour de France.
Jumbo juice it's amazing stuff non detectable performance enhancing drug
2:01 - take a look at that math once again mate…
Ving-ge-go or Ving-ge-gaard?
Ving.e.gaw (like wing and awe(some))
286 + 250 = 536 - 480 = -56 short
I have to say this it’s not vingego it’s pronounced vinGeGaarD (caps mean you have to say the letter harder than the rest)
No
@@Perle0507 Well yes
Jumbo sure are taking some radioactive vitamins!
To answer the question of what will Roglić do, i say this : Ineos has no leader ( Unless Egan comes back to his form when he won TDF ) and with them winning the team competition, i do believe them signing Roglić is the smartest move they will do.
I also believe that TJV found out their Kryptonite to beat Tadej Pogačar, and i say this : Ineos has no leader, and Pogačar has no team, the only way Pogačar & Ineos can beat TJV is by joining each other !! ( similar to what Kevin Durant & GSW did to beat LBJ in the NBA Finals)
Egan will be back
The Pelton was weak this year
it was literally the fastest TdF in history...
Si, please don't fall into Dan's habit of christening certain riders as very or particularly _"deserving"_ of a win. I'm sure if anyone looks hard enough, they'll find any number of racers with tragic, sad or just-plain-bad-luck stories. Maybe the peloton should just sit up and let each of them roll through for the win, eh?
I wish I could join TdF someday
you could...but not as a racer
Your pronunciation of vingegaard is getting better, but still a bit off.
It is not vinge gooo.
When will the GCN presenters learn how to pronounce Vingegaard?
Never
We need a little talk about pronounciation. Vinnegow ? Ving as in sing, e as in eh, gaard as in gore with a very short e.
Thanks - importantly for the English (& Norwegians) the d at the end is silent.
Å is what they are looking for 👀🤷🏼
Ving.e.gaw (like in wing and awe(some)) :)
Hmmm. Last year when Pog blitzed stage 8, there were questions (possibly rightly) being asked on Eurosport/GCN about doping. Yet...in a cycling mad nation...there is an uncut diamond yet to be discovered.
Could you please elaborate?
We get a full puff piece about 'where did this talent come from' to justify Jonas' victory, yet Pog last year, a proven junior, gets raked over the coals due to the team management's prior (dreadful) reputation with doping. Jumbo Visma was RaboBank....a team with a prior dreadful, cynical reputation. I have zero skin in this game (I am from Australia). I just think it's completely hypocritical....but at least one journalist asked Jonas and Wout 'shit question'.
You guys need to question the performance of wout van aert and stop pretending doping dosent exist honesty wouldn't hurt