He just loves to ride his bike, he wins what he wins, but always seems to have fun. Can’t say there’s anything wrong with that. I’m sure the sponsors might want some bigger races wins but it would not be Pog anymore to be too calculated about it.
I admire Poga because: He attacks. He goes for wins, he risks it every time. He can go long or finish in the sprint. Always smiles. In stage races he goes for as many Ws as possible. Not just GC and protect your lead. In 1 day and especially in monuments, he can wait till the last climb long or short or he can attack from a distance. When in the lead late in TDF and the GC well in hand, he still attacked on the last GC day. Not once, not twice but 3 times and still won against both hes rivals.
Magnus showing how it's done here. Black shorts, shoes that don't match the kit, black arm warmers underneath the leader's jersey, non-aero dossard on the back. This is style.
I'm excited to see Pogačar winning more throughout the year. Nobody knows for sure, but I think we're in the middle of seeing history being made, that being Pogačar's record-setting career. He's so much more than a big VO2 max rider; he's so well-rounded. I'm also excited to see if Van Aert can have another miracle year; watching him on the tour and elsewhere made for an amazing year for us cycling spectators. And then there's Evenepoel just coming into his own; he appears to have ridiculous potential, and aerobic talent; I can't wait to see where he goes in the next 10+ years.
Pogacar is not boring,He is a pure talent . Unlike others always depends on help of not only one but entire TDF..I WATCH TDF.. it's UAE against ALL..On the last ,15-10kms all Pogi teammates are burned and leaving him alone relying on his pure skills and strength
Is it only me to find it worth mentioning that we see more and more stage races decided by a single second? The level in depth of this sport is through the roof.
Pogacar is an interesting character, g0at level ability which gives him confidence to do the most alien things on the bike but is also the same hubris that lost him the TdF, maybe it's his age but if he matures a little more as a racer he would be unbeatable. Doing things like pulling and attacking for no reason when he doesn't need to is fine for these small races but at the Tour he's just making it harder on himself
I agree. I think when he was being triple-teamed by Wout, Roglich, and Vingo, he could have at least just let Roglich’s attacks go unanswered since we all knew Primoz was severely injured and was not going to make it to the finish in front of the others. The climb was too steep and the altitude a touch too high for Wout who ended getting dropped anyway. When you look at all the circumstances of that day, Vingo should have been his only concern. But then, we all have the benefit of watching from a distance after the fact. It’s a whole other thing to try to make those assessments during the pressure of racing. Beats me why Pog’s DS didn’t help him out with his tactics via the ever so controversial race radio.
You know what would be really cool? If at the end of each racing news show you showed the UCI points standing so we could keep up with what's going on that front. I know the next relegation is three year from now but would be cool to see the evolution of what teams are on the top and what teams at the bottom week after week.
Vinegaard concentrates on one race only, the big one in July, while Pogacar will have a go at Strade, Milan San Remo, Flanders and Liège and he might win the lot! He can beat the best one day riders on one day races and the GC guys in GT. He is the greatest of our time even if MVDP and Wout are so much fun to watch.
Actually one of the more intelligent comments, to say he is the best of the current generation is probably accurate. To list him as one of the greatest, he's not even close!
An exciting time for pro road cycling with all these youngsters I have watched every TDF for the last 40yrs or so and Cycling has never been more exciting - absolutly cant wait for this years Grand Tours
I hope Pogacar does not use all his energy too early. How does a major race win measure up if he is not in contention? That to me is pretty high esteem! We almost immediately guage almost everything by his shadow... Nice job covering the races and setting the stage for this week.
Thanks Dan a great week of racing and another one to follow. I enjoy Pog's racing style with Vingegaard being more relaxed. I think the contrasting build ups creates a good narrative for the big one in July. Great GCN+ documentary this week too.
@gcnracing it's all well and good telling us about the world of racing but it's no good if you don't have subtitles. I don't think the show is live so captioning is easy to do.
Pogacars victories are amazing. And it is also the fact that he's so good. It takes another monster to beat him, like Vingegaard did in TDF. Pogi is in a way responsible for pushing Vingegaard's limit making him better.
I loved the graph Dan; it really surprised me to see Evenepool was so high, but I should not be surprised, given that his flat-out power in solos is just ridiculous. One big difference that doesn't show up in the graph is the type and level of each win. Pogocar seems to be heavily weighted with big grand tours and classics races, but I haven't confirmed this. I love Cavendish, but I'm not even sure that it's fair to show his wins on the graph, given his narrower specialty. I think whether pogocar becomes the goat will depend on how long he can stay at/near his current form. Some riders, like say Chris Horner can race and win at ages long after most cyclists have retired. There must be many examples of cyclists who seemed to stay competitive in their mid-late 30s.
My take is that TP will be fine for the TDF. I think number 2 is Primos R. Ηe is in the Giro and will likely not be as strong in the later weeks of the TDF. That leaves Jonas V. He doesn’t look that good to me this year. Maybe someone new will rise up or Garant T can have a miracle. Don’t see it. I think TP can race all the classics he wants and the TDF will be his to win or lose. Happy to see it as long as he’s legal.
I think you really can’t compare riders from different decades. Can’t compare Merckx with Pogacar. Pogacar rn is the best for me. I think he also would have won the TdF last year with a better team. At one point it was Pogacar vs whole Jumbo-Visma (Vingegaard, Van aert,…). So with w better team or with a less strong Jumbo Team it would be more interesting.
Those of us in the States have to watch Omloop on another service. Will "The Breakaway" be available for us to watch before and after or is it tied straight into the racing stream?
Steel sharpens steel. I think all this real race experience is going to pay dividends later in the year. Itll be an interesting comparison between the Jumbo method and the UAE/Pog method; meticulous training by the numbers versus tons of miles in real race conditions.
A comparison made of statistics, which had a token head nod to how times have changed, but reminds me of the Mark Twain observation: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” Mercx also won 17 six day races and a smattering of other track titles. He also regularly rode the Giro-Tour double, which is unheard of in modern times, taking the double 3 out of the 4 times he attempted it and also taking one Giro-Vuelta double on a year he didn't enter the Tour. When analysed beyond win rate the differences are glaring and possibly highlight a bigger difference in how riders raced in different eras than they do the differences in rider capabilities. Is it even possible, with how racing now is - with race calendar changes, team depth, modern tactics, rider specialisations and roles, better understanding of physiology and recovery, etc. for any rider to hope to average around 50 wins a year at the highest level when it is likely to be impossible to ride the volume of races required to attain the 29% win rate of Eddy Merckx? No-one rides 150 races a year anymore, especially not at the highest level which makes the win rate per race entered even higher for modern riders - a near impossibility as it would mean winning many, many more classics and grand tour stages each year making these races even more physiologically taxing than they already are. Stop with the comparisons of only quantity and enjoy marvelling at the quality the each rider shows and possesses.
Pogacar is arguably the best rider of this generation as well as the biggest drawing card. He may not be the absolute best climber, time trialist, or sprinter, but his overall abilities make him the complete package. Also, some of the comparisons with others like Sagan, Cavendish and Kittel may not be appropriate since they are primarily sprinters who typically won several stages and one-day races as bunch sprints, but not a whole lot of GCs. Eddy Merckx still represents the Everest of cycling, just like Bradman in cricket and possibly some of his feats will never be matched even by Pogacar. As for Evenepoel, he is probably a better time trialist, but not as good a climber which is why Pog blew him away at the 2022 Tirreno. Of course, Remco made remarkable progress after that, winning LBL, the Vuelta and WC, so the next few match ups would be very interesting.
You are correct, you cannot compare anyone to Le Cannibale! Sagan is not even close, There are Coppi, Bartali, Binda, Anquetil, Le Blaireau, Van Looy, Gimondi, Moser, Maertens, Kelly. Just so many, but no one is within light years of King Eddy. None of todays have won even one Six, except Cav, and they can't win a tour by over 15 minutes!
Comparing only number of races isn’t really fair, Sagan won many but never a GC title in a Grand Tour while Pogi and Remco already have, there should be a point system to have a fair comparison
Pogačar was favourite for every day of his last week racing. Is he too good too early? - It doesn't have to be true. - He was simply better then the others. And who said that the others are in a great shape? In those races weren't Van Aert neither Van der Poel. So there was nobody who could beat him. Lets wait for Strade Bianche. If he doesn't win, then he can hardly dreem about winning Flanders or San Remo.
Pogacar's no fear and unpredictable timing are exciting to watch, but is a big reason he lost the Tour. Who will win this year?.......it's up to him, if he defends a little more and see's the BIG picture he will win.
Ladies and gentlemen, the cobbled races begin this weekend. Yes! Let the bumpy games begin. As far as this GOAT stuff goes, there isn't really anyone in my opinion, and I'm taking nothing away from the great racers of today or any other era. Merckx was the greatest of his era, but there were people who were faster at certain specialties. Merckx himself said his most famous 6-day partner, Patrick Sercu, was a faster sprinter than he was. Nobody has ever dominated cycling like he did in so many different ways, and nobody ever will because the nature of racing has changed. Some racers sort of dabble in different disciplines like he did, but nobody races seasons as long as was common during that era. Arguably there are the greatest racers of an era, but there really isn't a GOAT in my opinion.
He is goat of his era, but you cant compare him to today racing when winnig a race is like 10x harder than it was back in 70s. So for me its Sagan who is goat for now. we will see how Pogačar and Remco will proceed.
In a breakaway with around 50k to go on a hilly course I wonder if poggy can stay in the wheel of Remco, not being a fan of quickstep, I hope he can, better still drop Remco. 😂
Mercx is goat of his era, but you cant compare him to today racing when winnig a race is like 10x harder than it was back in 70s. And also there is doping too back in those times, so.... So for me its Sagan who is goat for now. We will see how Pogačar and Remco will proceed.
So... even AFTER he was handled by Jonas in last year's TDF...you're STILL starting the season with THIS question. I thought Remco was the GOAT now. He won the Vuelta and the Worlds. HE'S the best ever! Right? Pump the brakes guys. Let them have a career first. THEN decide their place in cycling history.
wins/age is not the correct metric. wins/years of racing would be much better (maybe get Cillian involved here). Is POG the GOAT? no if he stopped riding tadej (couldn't help that) we would not think he was the best ever.
However... however... 33 year old Nairo Quintana has 51 wins as Pro has 2 mayor GT wins ... and somehow UCI black list him and seems GCN and Eurosport as well ... DUE a lack or excess of spine to confront Autority ... and now his name seems forgot into oblivion as one if not the first of those young disruptor type of rising star cyclist that put in serious trouble the establish ones and the bigger teams... am I biassed ... Yes... sooo we can stop in this point of Pog career and start to recap os see that Jonas is the brand new story BUT then since that Quintana names like Bernal or Primoz even Alaphilipe rise and then Pog now Jonas ... But make room there are more... MVDP and WVA are coming Tommy P... Jay H... Carapaz ... Lopez... capable to reach 50 I really don't know... BUT I digress... 51 wins Quintana already reach that number and put many more numbers and is not in the conversation, BUT ina black list.
@@cilliankelly1 I should have known you'd know the answer! And how long was his ban that time? (versus how long would someone serve now, which may impact his total by age of 25)
Same question same answer. No. Why do I get sucked into the GCN game?😂. Answer remains Merckx until his numbers are eclipsed. Simple as that. Grand tours, classics, hour, worlds, spring stages races blah blah blah. No one really compares overall. Plus his company made some fine bikes that many world tour teams rode to success before the great American bike takeover
Mercx is goat of his era, but you cant compare him to today racing when winnig a race is like 10x harder than it was back in 70s. And also there is doping too back in that times, so.... So for me its Sagan who is goat for now. we will see how Pogačar and Remco will proceed.
@@milantichy4413 10 times harder? Recency bias maybe. Not sure that I buy that. At that time it was the major sport, much more so than today. For certain training science and equipment is better now but that doesn’t take away from his constant domination over years and all categories of races and events. That said these are just theoretical discussions between us and good fodder over a Guinness 😊🍺
@@tywitt3351 You really want to say, that today, Merxc would outsprint Sagan, Outclimeb Pogačar , out timetrial Ganna ? You must understand the fact, that Merxc won so many races because there were no sprinter specialists, climb specialists, time trial specialists back then. Thats it. Merxc didnt need to deal with 60kg climbers like Allaphillipe, Pogačar etc...or with timetrial specialist that only practice one thing all over again. There is your answer why winning today is 10x harder.
@@milantichy4413 Sorry friend buys it’s naive to think that each period didn’t also have specialists. Merckx was before me but every period has had special sprinters climbers and TT specialist. Today is not different and not special. In 10-15 years there will be another. Every person you named has multiple people with similar achievements or better in previous years. Resist the urge of recency bias and let’s appreciate what we have now with a TP who is also very special and acknowledge the complete domination of a man from Belgium 🇧🇪 a long time ago. Look up his wins, it’s undeniable. I’m going for a ride… later
Given that the history of cycling continues to repeat itself, and "too good to be true" always turns out to be exactly that, I find it incredible after Lance that everyone thinks this time it's different. After Pog went nuclear and rolled Rog in THAT TT and we had the iconic picture of Wout and Tom folded arms and jaws dropped, everyone was rolling their eyes and saying here we go again. Three years later and cycling is pro wrestling again, Pog is even more ridiculous and you clowns are the main cheer leaders and we're supposed to love him! Human nature huh? Sucks.
Leaving Lance out of the discussion is unexceptable. His accomplishments have never been equalled and whatever performance enhancements that he availed himself of, were par for the course in that era and I doubt delivered any better results than what is achieved with modern training and nutrition science and technology evolution. His biggest sin was not being European and he's been the victim not only of American-phobia, but the most epic bout of hypocrisy and bandwagon jumping ever recorded. He was the greatest and no amount of trashing his legacy will change that. Sorry POG, the finish line is a lot further down the road😉
Do you find Pogačar’s dominance exciting or boring? 🤔
Love it
When he has 526 wins, THEN we discuss him being the G.O.A.T.
Can't wait to see him against MVDP
🤣😅😅😅
He just loves to ride his bike, he wins what he wins, but always seems to have fun. Can’t say there’s anything wrong with that.
I’m sure the sponsors might want some bigger races wins but it would not be Pog anymore to be too calculated about it.
I admire Poga because:
He attacks.
He goes for wins, he risks it every time.
He can go long or finish in the sprint.
Always smiles.
In stage races he goes for as many Ws as possible. Not just GC and protect your lead.
In 1 day and especially in monuments, he can wait till the last climb long or short or he can attack from a distance.
When in the lead late in TDF and the GC well in hand, he still attacked on the last GC day. Not once, not twice but 3 times and still won against both hes rivals.
It's always great to see entertainers like Pog making racing dynamic & exciting!
I find Pogi's dominance inspiring and entertaining. This young man seems to enjoy riding his bike and I just marvel!
Magnus showing how it's done here. Black shorts, shoes that don't match the kit, black arm warmers underneath the leader's jersey, non-aero dossard on the back. This is style.
🎉The opening races of 2023 have been SO GOOD. We’re in for an epic year of racing.
Pogacars enthusiasm makes his riding exciting. He is here to win not play games. No he is not doing too much, he is good for cycling.
Well said. Characters make cycling & Pog is certainly one of those!
Or is he here to play games and not use his thinking cap?
I'm excited to see Pogačar winning more throughout the year. Nobody knows for sure, but I think we're in the middle of seeing history being made, that being Pogačar's record-setting career. He's so much more than a big VO2 max rider; he's so well-rounded. I'm also excited to see if Van Aert can have another miracle year; watching him on the tour and elsewhere made for an amazing year for us cycling spectators. And then there's Evenepoel just coming into his own; he appears to have ridiculous potential, and aerobic talent; I can't wait to see where he goes in the next 10+ years.
Let's not forget Annemiek van Vleuten & all the top women too! 🙌
It's very entertaining. I haven't seen a phenomena like this since Lance's 7 wins! Dominance.
@@puckloki873You mean Lance EPO/Steroids Armstrong? That dominance?
@@gcnracing She is already a legend!
@@Afrikakorps68 Yup. Everyone on EPO, and he dominated them. Legendary performances
Pogacar is not boring,He is a pure talent . Unlike others always depends on help of not only one but entire TDF..I WATCH TDF.. it's UAE against ALL..On the last ,15-10kms all Pogi teammates are burned and leaving him alone relying on his pure skills and strength
Pogacar is absolute brilliant for doing all this, way better for the sport!
Tadej is a master bike racer and a joy to watch. His integrity and sportsmanship are second to none. Races are NEVER boring when he is in the field.
Really want to see Mas win. I like how he races
He has really evolved as a rider & it's great to see! 👍
Is it only me to find it worth mentioning that we see more and more stage races decided by a single second? The level in depth of this sport is through the roof.
Pogacar is an interesting character, g0at level ability which gives him confidence to do the most alien things on the bike but is also the same hubris that lost him the TdF, maybe it's his age but if he matures a little more as a racer he would be unbeatable. Doing things like pulling and attacking for no reason when he doesn't need to is fine for these small races but at the Tour he's just making it harder on himself
He certainly is an entertainer!
I agree. I think when he was being triple-teamed by Wout, Roglich, and Vingo, he could have at least just let Roglich’s attacks go unanswered since we all knew Primoz was severely injured and was not going to make it to the finish in front of the others. The climb was too steep and the altitude a touch too high for Wout who ended getting dropped anyway. When you look at all the circumstances of that day, Vingo should have been his only concern.
But then, we all have the benefit of watching from a distance after the fact. It’s a whole other thing to try to make those assessments during the pressure of racing. Beats me why Pog’s DS didn’t help him out with his tactics via the ever so controversial race radio.
You know what would be really cool? If at the end of each racing news show you showed the UCI points standing so we could keep up with what's going on that front. I know the next relegation is three year from now but would be cool to see the evolution of what teams are on the top and what teams at the bottom week after week.
Vinegaard concentrates on one race only, the big one in July, while Pogacar will have a go at Strade, Milan San Remo, Flanders and Liège and he might win the lot! He can beat the best one day riders on one day races and the GC guys in GT. He is the greatest of our time even if MVDP and Wout are so much fun to watch.
That's only because Jonas Vingegaard is needed at the fish factory the rest of the season
Plus 3 stagewins in the Camino race :)
@@Na-zj3uk 😁
Actually one of the more intelligent comments, to say he is the best of the current generation is probably accurate. To list him as one of the greatest, he's not even close!
An exciting time for pro road cycling with all these youngsters I have watched every TDF for the last 40yrs or so and Cycling has never been more exciting - absolutly cant wait for this years Grand Tours
Cannot be the GOAT quite yet. But god is he good. Maybe he is. What a show at Ruta !!!!
He's certainly on track! 2x TDF, 2x Lombardia, 1x LBL + loads more wins and he's only 24!!!
Seems like an Apples-and-Crabapples comparison to include sprinters with great all-arounders who win Classics and Grand Tours in Wins-by-Age.
Dan's hair game just gets stronger and stronger. Class act
Merckx failed 3 doping tests he shouldn't be considered in the goat debate
I hope Pogacar does not use all his energy too early. How does a major race win measure up if he is not in contention? That to me is pretty high esteem! We almost immediately guage almost everything by his shadow... Nice job covering the races and setting the stage for this week.
I suspect Pog just likes to race. So sitting waiting for the Tour to roll round isn't an option. Respect.
Thanks Dan a great week of racing and another one to follow. I enjoy Pog's racing style with Vingegaard being more relaxed. I think the contrasting build ups creates a good narrative for the big one in July. Great GCN+ documentary this week too.
Missed opportunity to throw in some comparisons with Marianna Vos and the best of the women's peloton
No men can compare to what Marianne Vos has done in her career - she was already an 8x world champion across three disciplines by the age of 25!!
@gcnracing it's all well and good telling us about the world of racing but it's no good if you don't have subtitles. I don't think the show is live so captioning is easy to do.
Pogacars victories are amazing. And it is also the fact that he's so good. It takes another monster to beat him, like Vingegaard did in TDF. Pogi is in a way responsible for pushing Vingegaard's limit making him better.
I loved the graph Dan; it really surprised me to see Evenepool was so high, but I should not be surprised, given that his flat-out power in solos is just ridiculous. One big difference that doesn't show up in the graph is the type and level of each win. Pogocar seems to be heavily weighted with big grand tours and classics races, but I haven't confirmed this. I love Cavendish, but I'm not even sure that it's fair to show his wins on the graph, given his narrower specialty. I think whether pogocar becomes the goat will depend on how long he can stay at/near his current form. Some riders, like say Chris Horner can race and win at ages long after most cyclists have retired. There must be many examples of cyclists who seemed to stay competitive in their mid-late 30s.
Dan, Thank you for the entertaining way you presented the stats. There is something of a teacher inside this lean body.
My take is that TP will be fine for the TDF. I think number 2 is Primos R. Ηe is in the Giro and will likely not be as strong in the later weeks of the TDF. That leaves Jonas V. He doesn’t look that good to me this year. Maybe someone new will rise up or Garant T can have a miracle. Don’t see it. I think TP can race all the classics he wants and the TDF will be his to win or lose. Happy to see it as long as he’s legal.
I think you really can’t compare riders from different decades. Can’t compare Merckx with Pogacar. Pogacar rn is the best for me.
I think he also would have won the TdF last year with a better team. At one point it was Pogacar vs whole Jumbo-Visma (Vingegaard, Van aert,…). So with w better team or with a less strong Jumbo Team it would be more interesting.
How about adding Marianne Vos to the mix for wins at 25 y/o? 🙂
Marianne Vos is in a class of her own - the true GOAT! She had her first elite CX podium aged 14!!!! 🤯
Thats so stupid suggestion. Vos has almost no competion in her category, thats why she won so much races....
Those of us in the States have to watch Omloop on another service. Will "The Breakaway" be available for us to watch before and after or is it tied straight into the racing stream?
Steel sharpens steel. I think all this real race experience is going to pay dividends later in the year.
Itll be an interesting comparison between the Jumbo method and the UAE/Pog method; meticulous training by the numbers versus tons of miles in real race conditions.
pogacar already has a better resume than froome. easily.
I can watch Pogačar all day! A rare combination: A happy person, an even happier rider, who has been granted unique talents by the cycling gods! 🏛️🏺
Thanks Dan and crew......
2:43 small mistake. He turned pro in 2019 and won some races including San Sebastián and European ITT
I'd be interested in seeing win percentage comparisons among these racers. After all, didn't Merckx race more days total?
I am looking forward to the Jonas Vingegaard version of this video next week. ;-)
A comparison made of statistics, which had a token head nod to how times have changed, but reminds me of the Mark Twain observation: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
Mercx also won 17 six day races and a smattering of other track titles. He also regularly rode the Giro-Tour double, which is unheard of in modern times, taking the double 3 out of the 4 times he attempted it and also taking one Giro-Vuelta double on a year he didn't enter the Tour.
When analysed beyond win rate the differences are glaring and possibly highlight a bigger difference in how riders raced in different eras than they do the differences in rider capabilities.
Is it even possible, with how racing now is - with race calendar changes, team depth, modern tactics, rider specialisations and roles, better understanding of physiology and recovery, etc. for any rider to hope to average around 50 wins a year at the highest level when it is likely to be impossible to ride the volume of races required to attain the 29% win rate of Eddy Merckx? No-one rides 150 races a year anymore, especially not at the highest level which makes the win rate per race entered even higher for modern riders - a near impossibility as it would mean winning many, many more classics and grand tour stages each year making these races even more physiologically taxing than they already are.
Stop with the comparisons of only quantity and enjoy marvelling at the quality the each rider shows and possesses.
Remco is gonna have more wins cause he had a big crash end of 2020 and recovered almost the whole of 2020
He’s also already a WC
Pogacar is arguably the best rider of this generation as well as the biggest drawing card. He may not be the absolute best climber, time trialist, or sprinter, but his overall abilities make him the complete package. Also, some of the comparisons with others like Sagan, Cavendish and Kittel may not be appropriate since they are primarily sprinters who typically won several stages and one-day races as bunch sprints, but not a whole lot of GCs. Eddy Merckx still represents the Everest of cycling, just like Bradman in cricket and possibly some of his feats will never be matched even by Pogacar. As for Evenepoel, he is probably a better time trialist, but not as good a climber which is why Pog blew him away at the 2022 Tirreno. Of course, Remco made remarkable progress after that, winning LBL, the Vuelta and WC, so the next few match ups would be very interesting.
The guy is a STUD!
Yay! The lighting is so much better. Thank you.
Sagan on the TOP ! Merxc is totally different era so its hard to compare it.
You are correct, you cannot compare anyone to Le Cannibale! Sagan is not even close, There are Coppi, Bartali, Binda, Anquetil, Le Blaireau, Van Looy, Gimondi, Moser, Maertens, Kelly. Just so many, but no one is within light years of King Eddy. None of todays have won even one Six, except Cav, and they can't win a tour by over 15 minutes!
That's how Armstrong started!!
Comparing only number of races isn’t really fair, Sagan won many but never a GC title in a Grand Tour while Pogi and Remco already have, there should be a point system to have a fair comparison
Evenepoel did turn pro in 2019
Dans pronunciation of Ganna making up for the few presenters/commentators who still insist on calling him Garner 😅
hye, im new to bike racing world. may i know if Jonas Vingegard still racing or not? if yes, when will he race?
Hi, Vingegaard is due to race O Gran Camiño which starts on Thursday!
GCN R is my fav...
thanks
9:48 Shout out to the podium girls. Portugal keeping it real.
Somehow watching Pogacar win is always fun.
I find it exciting
In terms of age, POG WON 2 TdF BEFORE MERCKX WON HIS FIRST.
Pogačar was favourite for every day of his last week racing. Is he too good too early? - It doesn't have to be true. - He was simply better then the others. And who said that the others are in a great shape?
In those races weren't Van Aert neither Van der Poel. So there was nobody who could beat him.
Lets wait for Strade Bianche. If he doesn't win, then he can hardly dreem about winning Flanders or San Remo.
How did Dan remember that entire script??? 😱
This current generation uses the “GOAT” term to much
Don’t think Dan is part of the current generation though is he?!
Its true its eddy merckx and thats not even close
@@philipmeisterl So you're saying PEDs are the goat? Fk merckx.
“Too much” :)
Whynot....but. goatof the 20's of 21th cntury..only....why2 compare decades...?!
Surprised no mention of Oscar only dsm 20yr old from Scotland at Portugal tour
Pogacar's no fear and unpredictable timing are exciting to watch, but is a big reason he lost the Tour. Who will win this year?.......it's up to him, if he defends a little more and see's the BIG picture he will win.
Can I use my Ribble gravil bike on my wahoo kicker trubo trainer ?
I wouldn't say boring but I do like to see more/different winners. It makes it a little more exciting. Just my 2 cents
I think Tadej is using up too much of his team too early in the season. But fantastic to see as a fan...
Ladies and gentlemen, the cobbled races begin this weekend. Yes! Let the bumpy games begin.
As far as this GOAT stuff goes, there isn't really anyone in my opinion, and I'm taking nothing away from the great racers of today or any other era. Merckx was the greatest of his era, but there were people who were faster at certain specialties. Merckx himself said his most famous 6-day partner, Patrick Sercu, was a faster sprinter than he was. Nobody has ever dominated cycling like he did in so many different ways, and nobody ever will because the nature of racing has changed. Some racers sort of dabble in different disciplines like he did, but nobody races seasons as long as was common during that era. Arguably there are the greatest racers of an era, but there really isn't a GOAT in my opinion.
We'll be able to say if he's the GOAT after his career
Sad you forgot Saronni! He won even more races than merckx on his 25 birthday.
Hyvä Lotta!!!
Merckx won a lot of small criteriums and other irrelevant Italian classics
There is only 1 goat, the one with 11 grand tours,19 monuments and countless classics
He is goat of his era, but you cant compare him to today racing when winnig a race is like 10x harder than it was back in 70s. So for me its Sagan who is goat for now. we will see how Pogačar and Remco will proceed.
In a breakaway with around 50k to go on a hilly course I wonder if poggy can stay in the wheel of Remco, not being a fan of quickstep, I hope he can, better still drop Remco. 😂
You can only evaluate goat after the career is over so it's just clickbait to apply it to a non-retired rider
Mercx is goat of his era, but you cant compare him to today racing when winnig a race is like 10x harder than it was back in 70s. And also there is doping too back in those times, so.... So for me its Sagan who is goat for now. We will see how Pogačar and Remco will proceed.
So... even AFTER he was handled by Jonas in last year's TDF...you're STILL starting the season with THIS question. I thought Remco was the GOAT now. He won the Vuelta and the Worlds. HE'S the best ever! Right? Pump the brakes guys. Let them have a career first. THEN decide their place in cycling history.
not yet, not yet. eddy merckx is a tough opponent to beat.
Someday, it'll be discovered that Pogacar is not running on purely natural fuel.
Being his compatriote it is not really a question.
wins/age is not the correct metric. wins/years of racing would be much better (maybe get Cillian involved here). Is POG the GOAT? no if he stopped riding tadej (couldn't help that) we would not think he was the best ever.
They got Cort out.
Pog can only race/beat the opposition available--- it's not like his team is the dominant
*The Cannibal has entered the chat*
And here we are again. Suspension of disbelief is stretched beyond imagination
Wth is GOAT!???😅😂
No need to watch the vid if people actually know what "G.O.A.T." means.
Thumbs down
GOAT??? No, not yet.
He needs a lot a of wins
However... however... 33 year old Nairo Quintana has 51 wins as Pro has 2 mayor GT wins ... and somehow UCI black list him and seems GCN and Eurosport as well ... DUE a lack or excess of spine to confront Autority ... and now his name seems forgot into oblivion as one if not the first of those young disruptor type of rising star cyclist that put in serious trouble the establish ones and the bigger teams... am I biassed ... Yes... sooo we can stop in this point of Pog career and start to recap os see that Jonas is the brand new story BUT then since that Quintana names like Bernal or Primoz even Alaphilipe rise and then Pog now Jonas ... But make room there are more... MVDP and WVA are coming Tommy P... Jay H... Carapaz ... Lopez... capable to reach 50 I really don't know... BUT I digress... 51 wins Quintana already reach that number and put many more numbers and is not in the conversation, BUT ina black list.
There's only one GOAT and he's from Belgium. GOAT status can only be given once a career is over.
Marianne Vos is an exception to that rule.
Qn: Is Pog the GOAT? Ans: Not yet.
Until someone outdoes Merckx over the course of a career, Eddy will remain the GOAT.
How many doping offences did Merckx have by 25?
One
@@cilliankelly1 I should have known you'd know the answer!
And how long was his ban that time? (versus how long would someone serve now, which may impact his total by age of 25)
Pidcock is in a wrong team. He should be winning races but they made him as a domestique most of the times.
Man that a prefer PODACAR instead of EVENEPOEL!!!
Pogacar fan here but, he cant draft a peloton. Like wout. Wout is the strongest rider rn.
Same question same answer. No. Why do I get sucked into the GCN game?😂. Answer remains Merckx until his numbers are eclipsed. Simple as that. Grand tours, classics, hour, worlds, spring stages races blah blah blah. No one really compares overall. Plus his company made some fine bikes that many world tour teams rode to success before the great American bike takeover
That said Pog is a wonderful star with a great personality. Happy to see his successes continue
Mercx is goat of his era, but you cant compare him to today racing when winnig a race is like 10x harder than it was back in 70s. And also there is doping too back in that times, so.... So for me its Sagan who is goat for now. we will see how Pogačar and Remco will proceed.
@@milantichy4413 10 times harder? Recency bias maybe. Not sure that I buy that. At that time it was the major sport, much more so than today. For certain training science and equipment is better now but that doesn’t take away from his constant domination over years and all categories of races and events. That said these are just theoretical discussions between us and good fodder over a Guinness 😊🍺
@@tywitt3351 You really want to say, that today, Merxc would outsprint Sagan, Outclimeb Pogačar , out timetrial Ganna ? You must understand the fact, that Merxc won so many races because there were no sprinter specialists, climb specialists, time trial specialists back then. Thats it. Merxc didnt need to deal with 60kg climbers like Allaphillipe, Pogačar etc...or with timetrial specialist that only practice one thing all over again. There is your answer why winning today is 10x harder.
@@milantichy4413 Sorry friend buys it’s naive to think that each period didn’t also have specialists. Merckx was before me but every period has had special sprinters climbers and TT specialist. Today is not different and not special. In 10-15 years there will be another. Every person you named has multiple people with similar achievements or better in previous years. Resist the urge of recency bias and let’s appreciate what we have now with a TP who is also very special and acknowledge the complete domination of a man from Belgium 🇧🇪 a long time ago. Look up his wins, it’s undeniable. I’m going for a ride… later
What about the real goat lance! Buzz off lames
Armstrong is the goat. 7tdf wins.......
NO. Next video please
100% not the best of all time. Pump the brakes. Give it another 6 or 8 years then make grandiose declarations.
Boring.
Given that the history of cycling continues to repeat itself, and "too good to be true" always turns out to be exactly that, I find it incredible after Lance that everyone thinks this time it's different. After Pog went nuclear and rolled Rog in THAT TT and we had the iconic picture of Wout and Tom folded arms and jaws dropped, everyone was rolling their eyes and saying here we go again. Three years later and cycling is pro wrestling again, Pog is even more ridiculous and you clowns are the main cheer leaders and we're supposed to love him! Human nature huh? Sucks.
Leaving Lance out of the discussion is unexceptable. His accomplishments have never been equalled and whatever performance enhancements that he availed himself of, were par for the course in that era and I doubt delivered any better results than what is achieved with modern training and nutrition science and technology evolution. His biggest sin was not being European and he's been the victim not only of American-phobia, but the most epic bout of hypocrisy and bandwagon jumping ever recorded. He was the greatest and no amount of trashing his legacy will change that. Sorry POG, the finish line is a lot further down the road😉