Comparing Canon C100 MK ii vs C300 MK ii

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  • @practicalphotography1235
    @practicalphotography1235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    My C100-2 was an impulse purchase: I found one in near mint condition at a garage sale last year for $700 bucks. Even though I have 12 DSLRs and 2 mirrorless bodies that shoot up to 4K, I still love the C100-2 for it's crisp 1080p and manageable files.

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      JEALOUS! Wow, good for you. Yes, I too continually struggle to get rid of this camera. For its age and shortcomings, it's still a marvelous camera and quite the workhorse.

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Since you love the C100 Mkii, I thought you would be excited about this discovery I just made. Figured out how to get 10-Bit color with this camera. You may have already done it, but check it out here: th-cam.com/video/5iQdsY2d1Qw/w-d-xo.html

    • @lonersparty
      @lonersparty ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ginger_doglike so i come back to this

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lonersparty Thank you.

    • @airtime23
      @airtime23 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I did the same with the C300 mk 1 but somehow one year later I find myself being interested in the C100 mk2 as well. Wallet and brain cells are screaming at my heart. :D

  • @jacopoabbruscato9271
    @jacopoabbruscato9271 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'd love to get a C100 but the clients I deal with these days have their editors set the guidelines for file delivery and they always want 4k and 10-bit color for flexibility. I feel the C300 mk2 to be a good option but slightly overpriced on the used market, given what you can achieve with its mirrorless competitors for half the price. I think I'll wait for a good deal on one

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That makes sense. Honestly, I think the C300 Mkii will give you a lot more bang for your buck than mirrorless options. Internal ND, form factor, XLR audio, and so much more. It's worth waiting for the perfect deal. It's honestly also worth spending more on than a mirrorless camera. I don't think you'll regret the purchase.

  • @angelicaamora11
    @angelicaamora11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am waaay far behind being able to hold or afford any of these cameras, but I love your video with high end stuff since not a lot can do this nicely. Thank you for this.

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Aww, thank you Angelica. I really appreciate that. Start small with what you have (even if it's your phone.) Build relationships with people, push yourself creatively on projects to create engaging videos, and you will grow. It's more about the craft than the gear. I've done four figure projects on an old DSLR before and you can too!

  • @DigitalSketcher
    @DigitalSketcher 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been shooting with my C100MkII for almost 6 years now and I'm still amazed by the image quality it captures and haven't really felt the need to shoot in 4K as most of my applications for either personal use or client work haven't needed it. The 10 bit color would be nice, but honestly most clients won't really notice the difference. But this video was really informative as I've been wondering if I should get a C300 or get a second or even third C100.

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So glad it was helpful to you! Thank you for your feedback. I would say your next purchase totally depends on the work you consistently find yourself doing and any issues you tend to have with the C100 Mkii. If 8-bit color is not proving problematic and you don't need 4k, pick up another C100 Mkii for now. They are cheep, incredible workhorses and the 300 will only come down in price when you eventually find you need its features.

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Since you love the C100 Mkii, I thought you would be excited about this discovery I just made. Figured out how to get 10-Bit color with this camera. You may have already done it, but check it out here: th-cam.com/video/5iQdsY2d1Qw/w-d-xo.html

  • @petersundkvist5374
    @petersundkvist5374 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great comparison! My I ask how you make that diagram at 2.40? Looks professionally. Maby you can do a tutorial on that?

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much. Yes, I use an After Effects expression that is one of my favorites. I have a tutorial on it right here actually: th-cam.com/video/vdFbeYZV7pU/w-d-xo.html You would simply apply the bounce expression to the rectangle's scale, after making sure you uncheck the box to keep scale uniform, and also move the anchor point to the base of the rectangle. Maybe I do need a separate tutorial on this specifically. Let me know if you figure it out from these instructions.

    • @petersundkvist5374
      @petersundkvist5374 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ginger_dog Thanks 😊. I use Davinchi Resol together with Keynote. I think I know now how to create similar things in Keynote and export it to timeline.

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@petersundkvist5374 That is hilarious. I am so telling my dad. He uses Keynote for all of his animating as well. It's all about the tool you know how to use best! Keep it up.

  • @DuffTV
    @DuffTV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for the great review. I have a C70 and the ergonomics are driving me just nutty. I do a lot of handheld run and gun and the C70 just sucks for me in this area. I also personally can't decide on what to do. No doubt a C90 will have a EVF, better LCD and rotating right hand grip, at least we hope so!

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for watching. Ah! The age old quest for the perfect camera and the never ending hope that the next iteration will be THE one. I have yet to use a C70, but my biggest knock on it is the form factor and ergonomics. I really like the body design of the C series except for this one. I don't like the DSLR form factor.

  • @georgedavidla
    @georgedavidla ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ginger Dog, thank you for your video. It's very helpful. May I ask rant? I apologize in advance but I want to hear your opinion on this. 10-bit color on a C300 mk2 at twice the file is very reasonable. But sometimes I wonder what is the point if people use the Wide-DR? Personally, I would love that 10-bit color space because I grade old school style. Old school meaning, I like the look of old 5D mk2 or the hollywood blockbuster/bluish/crushed blacks saturated look. The washed out Wide-DR look is what most Canon shooters use nowadays. I don't understand that "trend", which I believe resulted in Canon cinema cameras looking inferior (in YOutube or Vimeo) compared to Sony or Panasonic cameras the past decade. That wide-Dr washed out look or people using C-log and dropping a LUTwithout having basic CC skills look awful to me. For example, I see bloggers using a cheap ZV1 handheld intercutting their footage with C-series cameras using the Wide-DR look and seriously, the ZV1 footage looks superior. Am I crazy, sir? I think paying clients prefer the standard EOS look compared to the Wide-DR or specially C-log with Godawful CC. What are your thoughts? Am I going crazy? Having said all these, I love the C100 mk2. Thank you for listening.

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for your rant; it's a good one. Hopefully I am understanding you well and answering your question. If you check out my video on 8-bit, 10-bit, and 12-bit color (th-cam.com/video/xX6zOJpII7Q/w-d-xo.html) you'll hopefully see what advantage 10-bit gets you in post. It's not that you film in 10-bit and post as is. It's that 10-bit gives you so much more control over grading and adjusting the colors of your image. You have more material to work with. Think of it to color as resolution is to clarity.
      I would never want to post or submit a flat wide DR C-Log file to a client and that is not their purpose. Those image profiles though, are nearly indispensable though because you can create nearly any kind of color style you want.
      If you like the look of the 5D mkii, then shoot with it or find a picture profile that is super close to it. But if you are using, say a C100 mkii, shoot as flat of an image profile as possible and then grade it in post to get that higher saturation, black crushing, bluish tone you love.
      Does that help and make sense? A flat profile is never intended to be the final look and I too am bothered when I see people submit finished videos as such. Thanks again for your question.

    • @georgedavidla
      @georgedavidla ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ginger_dog Thank you so much for your time in reponding to my rant. I appreciate your channel and the link/video you provided. I wish you the best with everything. Happy filmmaking in 2023.

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank YOU so much and the very very best to you too.

  • @STGFilmmakers
    @STGFilmmakers ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice vid!! Love this Cam.

  • @Gleebi
    @Gleebi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 12bit 444 is smaller file sizes with comparable sharpness to the 4k output. My suggestion would be to shoot with that full time. The 4k bit rate is just too large vs image.
    Long term user of both cameras. If the 300 had the 100 build in LCD it would be near perfect

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great insights. Thank you for sharing. I bet the color grading on 12bit is even better. Agreed on the LCD screen. Also wish the autofocus was a lot more reliable. That's the biggest issue for me.

  • @lb7144
    @lb7144 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another awesome video. You already made me buy a C-100 MKII. Im not falling for that again…lol. Have you tried Canon STM lenses for handheld work on the C-100? I’ve found the C-100 can smooth out when paired with image stabilized lenses. The Sigma 17-50mm f2.8 with OS has good glass and is smooth handheld. The Canon 18-135mm STM image stabilized gets the job done. Thanks again

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ha ha! Well, I own both right now, and I'm still quite hesitant to part with the C-100 Mkii. It's just such a great camera.
      No, I have not. I currently only own the Sigma 18-35mm ART and Sigma 24-70mm. That's a good tip. I may have to experiment with that the next time I need to rent.

    • @lb7144
      @lb7144 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ginger_dog
      I believe you autofocus for both cameras will track better with the Canon 18-135mm STM. The facial tracking for the C100 MK only works with certain STM lenses. I’m willing to bet the C300 will work better with those same STM lenses.

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lb7144 I remember not being impressed with the f stop options on the face tracking compatible lenses which is why I never tried those.

    • @lb7144
      @lb7144 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ginger_dog
      You’re right, they’re 3.5 and are horrible in low light. I’m usually go with my Sigmas or Rokinon.
      Ginger Dog I’m just starting out and my first project will be a family style documentary. I have learned so much with your videos. I’m not a professional, just a hobbyist. I want to get my patents story on video and your channel has given me the best foundation on doing just that.
      Thanks again

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lb7144 Wow! That is soooooo encouraging. Thank you for sharing. That makes all of the work for this channel truly worth it. I want to see your documentary when it's done!
      Don't let the fear of it not being perfect or THE MOST professional hold you back. You will make mistakes, in five years you will be able to do better, but you'll never get there if you let inadequacies hold you back. Look at my first videos on this channel after over a decade of professional experience compared to my latest ones. We all grow but we can only grow by doing the work, learning from mistakes, and improving on the next project.
      This project of yours WILL be great no matter how well or poorly you do on the craft. I was really really close to my grandfather when I was growing up, but never captured him on video. He died before I got into it. Another relative sent a video he captured on his phone at one Thanksgiving and I heard my grandfather's laugh in the background. It had been years since I heard that laugh and it meant the world to me. Capturing your family story will be so worthwhile for you and future generations forever so go get it no matter how many things you won't get just right!

  • @karsten24
    @karsten24 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Ginger Dog What about the C200?

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately, I have yet to get my hands on one, so I cannot say from experience. Spec wise, it seems to have pros and cons like any other camera. I like to wait till I have some good experience hours on equipment before reviewing them though.

  • @danivar86
    @danivar86 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice comparison. I've shot plenty with the C100 mk 1, mk 2 and the C300 mk 1 in the past. I liked the C100 mk 1 the least, colors always looked funky on that one. I found i got more pleasing results from the C300 mk1 than the c100 mk2, but only by a small margin so the i think the C100 mk2 was better value and oveall a very versatile package. When it came down to purchasing a camera for myself, I chose between the C300 mk 2 and newer C200. It stood between 10-bit color or autofocus as price at the time was similar. Ultimately I ended up with the C200 as the superior autofocus makes solo operating a lot easier and a more pleasing experience with great results. I've still rented the C100 mk2 a few time since when doing multicam events (the small file size coming in clutch) and I find the C200 IQ to be superior with richer and more accurate color in almost as small file size. I do miss having 10-bit color but when I really need it I do belive the C200 RAW is even better than the C300 4:4:4, at the expense of huge file sizes.
    Happy to see someone else understanding that HD is still enough for most client jobs. Many TH-camrs seem obsessed with shooting in 4K.

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow! Thank you for the deep dive comparison. I've never shot C200 but glad to hear it has superior autofocus. Thank you for breaking down the difference of these cameras from your experience. Super helpful.

  • @memcrew1
    @memcrew1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you compared an external recorder(image) from the C100 MKII to the C300 MKll image?

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No I have not mostly because I don't own one. I used one briefly that my friend has when I shot with his Sony, but didn't try it with these.

    • @memcrew1
      @memcrew1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ginger_dog ok. I only use video recorders with the C100 and prores files. That yields a better codec and better color spacing.

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@memcrew1 Can you get 10 bit color out of it?

  • @ALonesomeStreet
    @ALonesomeStreet 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For what it’s worth, I’ve never seen anyone else have so many complaints about the AF. I’m getting a C300ii this week, so I’m excited to put it to the test, but I have a feeling this may be a problem with your lenses.

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Definitely keep me posted. I primarily used the Sigma 18-35 f1.8 Art lens. I was surprised about the AF issues, so I'd love to hear about the results you get. Congratulations on your new investment. That's exciting!

    • @charlesteton
      @charlesteton 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s probably your problem then with the AF, using a Signa. I use mine with multiple Canon lenses, L, non L and EF-S and it nails focus 95% the time, unless it pitch black or zero contrast.

  • @draghiai
    @draghiai ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you tried the touch focus on the c300m2?

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว

      No, I have not. Maybe I'm old school or maybe I just have very big fingers, but I don't trust it to nail it every time, so I've never tried it. Maybe I should.

  • @relaxwithme3266
    @relaxwithme3266 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a C200. Site at home. Sony A7S3 and FS5II get used every week. Usability being the biggest factor. I hate the tall rig and also useless internal codec (unless shooting raw) of C200.

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I've never used a C200. For some reason, it seems to sit well between the C100 Mkii and C300 Mkii, but still majorly fail in some really important areas. At this point, I can't say that I'd really recommend it to anyone.

  • @cheesus-t6h
    @cheesus-t6h ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you ever tried canon c200? And how do you like it? Looks like weet in-between

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว

      I have not tried it. I have heavily considered it and come close to buying, but never acquired one. I'd be willing to try it, but there are some features about it I personally don't like compared to the C300 Mkii.

    • @cheesus-t6h
      @cheesus-t6h ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ginger_dog what features exactly you don't like? It's smaller, lighter, xlrs on the body, more thoughtful screen and cabel mounting, and raw, of course.

    • @cheesus-t6h
      @cheesus-t6h ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ginger_dog cause i am really considering buying one of those two cameras. they're actually the same price in my country. The bodies are somewhat similar. I like the shape of the bodies, it seems to me that each of them will fit nicely in my hands. But also what most important for me is top image quality for the buck, convenient codecs and ease of editing.
      The struggle is, almost nobody comparing these two on TH-cam, and if they do, it's like some obvious things: appearance, features, etc. I want to see an image side by side, i want a noise test, autofocus, how they handle the grading. Puff...

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cheesus-t6h Which two cameras are you looking at getting one of? C300 Mkii and C100 Mkii or the C200? If I was to recommend the camera that seems the most versatile and have the longest shelf life, I would say it's the C300 Mkii. But it ultimately comes down to the kind of content you will be making. If you are doing longer form event filming or teaching/training stuff, the C100 Mkii is the clear winner. Documentary or feature work? Between these cameras, it's the C300 Mkii. Commercial promo work? If the cameras are the same cost in your country, go with the C300 Mkii. It gives you far more options.

    • @cheesus-t6h
      @cheesus-t6h ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ginger_dog narrative and documentary. Maybe some commercials. I'm choosing between the c200 and c300 mkii

  • @queefreak666
    @queefreak666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I giggled after hearing you "having to buy a card reader", yet brag about your cool matte box and ND filter that you needed to get the same result out of your C100 as the built-in NDs on the C300

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ha ha! Touché. So true.

  • @mixmagas
    @mixmagas ปีที่แล้ว

    C100 mk2 has OLED screen, witch is better in negative temperatures.

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว

      It may do better in negative temperatures but I do not.

  • @FreddiMuliantono
    @FreddiMuliantono 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sony FS5 mk II might be a better alternative, and plenty in the 2nd hand market now

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You know what? I think my best friend has one of those. I'd love to do a comparison video with him with that too.

  • @TopSecretVid
    @TopSecretVid ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m looking at a C100 Mk2…Just have to find the right one

    • @ginger_dog
      @ginger_dog  ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome! It's an amazing camera for the price.

  • @darylcheshire1618
    @darylcheshire1618 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hunting for an upgrade - yes…