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26:16. Oh you would.!?! Maybe turn off that trash Auto mod. Unless it is your intention to behave as the Gustavo.! Because it doesn't matter What the content of the message is. If the auto mod doesn't like you. It doesn't matter what you say.!!! Guarantee this message will self destruct as soon as it is posted.!
when you say "it's performative for me" what does that mean? how many missions did you do? how many types of missions? did they complete? do you take test data (I do bunker missions i do 3-5 a session & im perfectly willing to record them and post them as a resource for you others might do the same no charge it's a pleasure to be of service) like it or not you are a well known creator in this space so when you say it works for me that carries weight when players have a diametrically opposite experience they may feel betrayed. the best way to mitigate such expectations is via supporters who volunteer their testing with evidence. otherwise you could create a testing methodology that delineates what it means when you say "it's performative for me".
My biggest frustration with this game is that its always the very foundational fundamentals that fail with every patch. A game that requires you to use no fewer than 2 elevators to start playing MUST have functioning elevators. A game that requires you to summon a ship and successfully fly it out of a hangar MUST have functioning hangars that do not chew up your ship right before your eyes. No one but the most fanatical of game enthusiasts will put up with the BS they put people through to simply play their game at the basic level and it's not going to go well when the general public is pushed toward this game.
This is because the entire game company is a scam. How many more years before all your fanboys realize you've been duped? $800MIL USD and over 12 years - still no working elevators? Chris Roberts is a liar and his company is a scam.
💯 this. To add to this, as a game that requires you to handle items for every game loop, it must have a working inventory system that doesn’t eat your stuff. ideally one that isn’t harder to use and has at minimum item stacking and sort/search that’s been around since WoW.
@@Bubblegum_Ronin but its no good if people cant actually test/complete or even start the missions because its so broken. Players have to actually be able to play and complete them. A lot of players cant even log in, leave hangar, get an elevator to work, cant access a hangar, fall through map geomotry.....to name but a few of the issues. The game isnt even testable for a lot of players.
Right. The point of a reward is to encourage people, but if you can't complete it - that is not very encouraging and you never end up getting the reward anyway. Seems to me, at this point, simply being able to complete an event without any issues IS the reward.
@@Spidder81maybe I’m the odd one or the exception but I completed save Stanton on both my accounts. Tbf 50% I couldn’t complete or even start half the missions
I love this game a lot. But it's been mostly unplayable for 3 months and I only get a little game time each week between my kids and all. Spending all of that time banging my head against a wall because I can't even get in more than once is wildly frustrating.
This is where I've been with the game these days too. Lots of RL keeping me from playing long hours and, when I get free time, I'd rather have fun and not be frustrated.
Where are you trying to log back in? If you are logging in at landing zones and major space stations, this could be a lot of the problem. Log out at the non-major space stations like Green Glade or High Course. That solved pretty much all my logging in problems and it been smooth ever since.
@mrJMD I died in pyro and couldn't revive. Allegedly I'm respawning at ruin station, but I had it set to the Stanton gateway. I've gotten in one time each on 4.0 & 4.0.1 then it's just infinite loading screens.
I think the inconsistency is a huge factor. Sometimes I can play for hours with no issues, other times it takes hours for me to even get to my ship and meet up with a friend.
This is a vicious circle as players are dying from bugs, they abandon their corpses and old ships everywhere. When there are tens of ships around an outpost or station, it just means that all players going there are dying from a bug or another. and the more scrap, the less performances and the more bugs ...
Perfectly put. I had some of the most stable gameplay I’ve ever had the day the update went live. Earned about 700k doing hauling! Today, I’ve had to do a character repair before every time I’ve logged in. And even that doesn’t always work. Complete inconsistency.
I believe they are finally, but it isn't something that is going to be fixed in a few weeks regardless of how many content creators focus on it or how many players shout foul in spectrum. It'll take months and if SC is in a vastly improved spot by this year's Citizencon, then they're on track. They're working on it. It's our job to apply patience, and test (if that's your thing) when the time comes.
yet its the truth, saying its "worn out" doesn't change that fact, plus maybe we should just the stability and playability of the game at the end of the year, rather then just decrying them that they "gave up" after less then a month, that isn't fair on the devs working their asses off to get things working and/or fixed when the community at large is verbally attacking them a lot of the time
@Mullers6 we've been "testing" the elevators for almost a decade. They're still broken. What exactly does "testing" the most basic systems count for if the development isn't progressing them. Alpha is just a convenient hand-wave for these very old, very central systems. It only works as an excuse for actual new content.
Then they need to stop marketing it with "play today" instead using words like test today because by using the word play it gives people the false indication that it's a game and not a 15 year old tech demo@@Mullers6
I am not trying to defend them.. god knows they don’t deserve it. Would you rather they close the whole Alpha testing and release a broken game in a few years? What’s the alternative? Everyone likes to complain but no one offers a solution.
I can see why it wouldn't cut it for most people, though there's nothing else to use as a point of reference. You can't compare dev times to other games, there are no other games that have attempted a game of this scale / scope. Sure, there are a few other games that have used more money and took just as long or longer to develop, but even those weren't trying to do something this crazy. People shouldn't get mad that it takes longer to build the Burj Khalifa than it does a 4 story house.
@@sammieee2610 Maybe they should shift their attention from focusing on comically expensive ships and bundles, and start focusing on all the issues. There are solutions, they just have to be willing to listen to the playerbase. Stop making ships that cost $500.00 that few people are going to actually purchase, and focus on making the game stable by fixing the trains, elevators, and hangars.
BoredGamer, I'm not sure how you can say its playable, but then also buggy. You just said it could take you hours to try and get around bugs for a few minutes of gameplay.. That's the definition of not playable.
They need to give up on item persistence for "Everything". Total waste of server resources, causes problems for no reason. We shouldn't have mountains of medical gown boxes and empty bottles everywhere.
@@riccardoboom3618 It better be a bug. Your ship auto stores when you leave the hangar. Come back and everything on the grid was gone. I’ve lost so much gear I was transferring around. Quite frustrating.
sure they can. they've dealt with the game being barely playable trash for like 7+ years. duh?? it's never been a real game. just a bad, buggy tech demo. falling through the floor, trams that literally float off in space/bug out, elevators that don't work, etc etc etc.. these are all bugs that have been in the game for years. it's never been much of a game. it's been a scam. but their player base are pretty much willing to eat CIG's poop and say "yum more!" because of some shiny pixels and a pre-recorded scenes shown at citizens conned convention.
You realize the entire business model is built around developing technologies for them to sell right? Star Citizen was/is a neat bonus CIG never expected nor intended on actually finishing in the first place. They keep shifting company structure around when they realize SC might actually be a feasible project only to get the budget cut and layoff staff. I'm fully convinced we are already playing the finished game, they just throw some paint at it whenever it's time to test new tech to sell.
@@SirIsaacMewtonIII According to recent information, the Cloud Imperium Games (CIG) has 1000 employees. The overheads month on month are insane and their desperate continued release of more and more overpowered ships lead me to believe their funds burn rate is intense (money earned is instantly used). While the whales may keep spending I think the bulk of CIGs funds come from kids buying starter ships and the first upgrade from that level. I have never seen so many SC players pissed off. Hoping the needle shifts from the company dictating direction and progress of the game to the players. God knows the players earned a say. We are not paying for their vision - they are working to earn ours.
@@windex527 If BioWare indicated they shifted their engine to use Star Engine for the next Mass Effect CIG is saved… anything less than that, their Star Citizen project which is a D-Tier game with worst in class game mechanics and systems is headed towards a catastrophic FLOP.
4.0.1 HOTFIX: after 7 hours of gameplay, I couldn't complete even ONE cargo run with the save Stanton ch. 2. From more than 10 game crashes, getting rammed upon landing at delivery outpost, to my ship being shot without any visual or audio cues letting me know that I'm being shot. A complete waste of 7 hours. Maybe I will step away from Star Citizen again..
i did all 6 headhunter missions in about 8 hours, but i did the go to place A and shoot a bunch of enemies so it was relatively easy, had like 3 server errors, had to switch servers 6 times to be able to use 1 elevator and crashed like 7 times
Im on a Star Citizen break. Tried 4.0 and it is visually stunning but there is just too much crap to deal with. I'll probably stay low until SQ42 release
i'm waiting for all them hotfixes being pushed to Live, and hopefully I can play this weekend.. I tried the hotfix version but cargo bugged out on me even more than Live, i'm running out of energy trying to do the most basic thing.
Train in Lorville took me out of the city directly into a mountain. Then I couldn't log in, got infinite login screen because i was in invalid location. Did character repair finally logged in after a day, only to find both elevators in everus harbor are 2 black holes. I really am wondering if this game can be fixed, because I'm certain they are not doing on purpose, and same bugs are in the game for years. Maybe it's a clusterfuck of unfixable code in the background. Hope not, but this hope is running thinner and thinner. For sure I'm not spending any more money until the game gets into a playable state. Alfa is no exuse for not fixing 5+years old bugs.
Pretty sure at this point CIG is doing it all on purpose because no one there has any clue what they are doing and if they make everybody leave the game they can file for bankruptcy instead of shutting it down and then Chris Roberts won’t have to give his yacht back
Server meshing was supposed to help with all of these issues. I mean that is what it was designed to do. Get rid of the lag/desync and so on.... it feels way worst now than it ever did.
Sadly many of the major bugs with hauling contracts I saw in 4.0 are still there in 4.01... 1) When you try to fly from Area 18 to Baijini, you overshoot it every time (by millions of KM). The only workaround is to target lyria and then target an OM. Then you can move to Baijini. 2) If you take on more than one contract, you don't get paid for one of the two when you drop them off. 3) Some times when you drop off the cargo, it only shows a partial drop-off; like 84/86. 4) Ships aren't properly delivered. This has happened with my ATLS
If they spawn and complete it did not matter for me if i dump all at once. You might try the route from Tressler to Stanton IV prod center or Tressler to Sakura sun Goldenrod, if its an Area18 depending bug.
The overshooting is inconsistent, actually - short quantum hops like that tend to go long, flying through planets even, in a Hercules but work as expected in a Sabre.
Well said, with one exception. I think it's important that content creators get brutally honest about this. The game breaking problems are widespread. When elevators and hangers break, they break for everyone on server and seemingly is happening across all servers pretty nearly all the time. If people are having a good play through, they are in the extreme minority. We need to stop giving CIG a pass by pretending the game is in ANY sort of playable state for pretty much anyone except in rare occasions.
Elevators don't affect everyone on the server, it's all random with the bugs across the board. Some are affected, others have zero issues. Just depends on if the game wa ts to fuck you over, which if it isn't elevators it will always be something else.
@northernfabricationllc2281 Point is, a streamer saying "Well its been fine for me so..." is pointless, people aren't lying when they say the game is busted.
This post really clarified things for me regarding CIG. While nothing was entirely unexpected, it crystallized my thoughts. I'm hopeful for improvement, but the ball is in CIG's court. As a six-year backer who's invested over $800, I feel disillusioned. I regret and even feel foolish for buying into the hype. While a turnaround is still possible, and I sincerely hope for one, I won't invest another cent until I see tangible progress. I love this game but I also love myself.
I'm also done with this... grinded my a.. off during the 4.0 just to have 80% of my systems and vehicle guns deleted. Im not grinding another 8 attrition-5 guns, that's for sure.
Same here, I’m not grinding stuff like that anymore, I’ll try occasionally but it’s time to look for a new game to play, this shit is just a massive waste of time and energy
@@pmc7071Get Warhammer 40k Rogue Trader. It’s an incredible detailed and extremely impressive meaty RPG that has hundreds of hours of gameplay. In overall fun factor it utterly demolishes Star Citizen .
4.0 broke my star citizen spirit... i have weathered most patches, all the way back to god knows when, with the view of "they will fix it".... this time, im not too sure
they are looking into it, it was unintentional according to CIG's post. Ironical I got back my missing items from 4.0 Preview 🤣 but I also got over 50 junk items added for no reason in my storage at the starting location.
The problem is the community has been speaking in spectrum but 'CIG Nightrider" deletes any critical posts or hides them away in feedback. The only reason we get to see this post is because of the streamers large presence, he would make a huge noise if his post was deleted. CIG is not letting the community have any meaningful discussion on critical points which is how we have gotten to today. So many discussions criticising MM were disappeared and CIG thought they knew better, than the people who have the most actual playtime with their game. CIG are pushing ahead without any meaningful community contribution to their own detriment. MM marked the noticable decline of community goodwill
What I do not understand about MM is that they create a dynamic fine power management system at the same time. MM is in fact a crude power management system where you have to choose between weapons+shield or engine+quantum. Just make ships not having enough power for everything at once, remove MM and give players saved power setting. If you want to give power to quantum you would have to remove all power to weapons or shield or engine anyway. So the player could chose.
Agreed, the mods delete the hell out of posts. I had to edit my post 4 times to adhere to all their rules. They do everything in their power to censor criticism. I would guess that for every critical post you see many more are censored. It’s gross
Man I had a comment deleted in spectrum chat today. Sure, I was a little out of line (I was joking with what I said) but cig doesn’t seems to want to acknowledge that people are getting pissed and will ignore valid criticism if it isn’t said in “constructive” way. Their skin needs to start to thicken up as we are almost past the point of constructive criticisms. Valid points presented in an angry way do not invalidate the point. they need to understand that the anger/frustration stem from people genuinely wanting this to be great but they are missing the mark time after time and the player base is getting ready to break out pitchforks and torches.
There's nothing like getting into a two hour salvage groove and then have your ship just DISAPPEAR leaving you floating in space. I haven't had this frustrating of a time with SC since I started playing in 2019, hopefully things will get better soon!
I’am sure most would agree that we have placed less money in games that were fully playable without issues. We are literally paying to be “Testers” instead of them paying us to test their “alpha.” It is disgraceful to us when they don’t keep things working enough for us to actually test at any length without detrimental issues. On top of that they continue to push ship sales. No more money from me until I can do basic gameplay without an issue!
I agree with the post on basically everything. For ALL of 4.0 I was entirely unable to even log into the game. I would get a massive loading screen before eventually crashing out. No amount of "dodging bugs" will save you if the game won't let you log in. Now with 4.0.1 i seem to be able to log in again, but then end up stuck in the habs because of the elevators.... it's just not fun anymore. I want to love the game but it's getting increasingly more difficult by the patch...
Just imagine a new player that bought the game yesterday and found himself in the infinite loading page what can think about this mess. I'm a vet of this game and today I can't enter the game right now. Yesterday I can't save my body type just to say. Today I can save it but I'm struck in the infinite loading page....I've played 4.0 for all the holidays with some problems but "playable". Right now I haven't played 4.01 because I can't join servers..this is a very big fail about CIG and this new patch. This game will never be ready if after years the most basic stuff doesn't work. Very diasppinted of the actual situation.
You can open console and see if you are stucked and waiting for some server task which should be normally fast like to unstuck your player after crash - you need to wait for your account to go offline then so you could change server or do account repair will help and it will go also offline. Or you can see in console if you are already loaded and your surroundings is loaded as it gets changed and you are just waiting for a spawn which sometimes is just taking a while. But the state of 4.0.1 is terrible it gets worse after login.
I had to character reset more times in the last 48 hours than I have in the last 5 years , i was getting stuck in my pilot seat and slowly everything else would stop working and then on top of that I would get locked to that particular server meaning I coulnt region hop in the hope of it fixing itself , but that being said when it does work (which it has done a few times ) it's been a really pleasant gameplay experience
I've only played SC once in the last few weeks, and that was to see if there were any improvements, but I couldn't get out of my hangar, so logged out and played a game that actually works. Whilst I appreciate the game's not finished yet, after this many years, it's disappointing to see that they keep breaking the basics. The whole thing feels like it's held together using a Pritt stick with some frog tape. I truly hope we can have a more robust game this year. Beyond that, a personal hope of mine is for more internal places / buildings to explore (if you ignore the trams, there's hardly any internal space across all of the major landing zones), and some proper NPCs at some point that we can interact with. It would be great if the world itself was a bit richer and alive in that regard, and I think this would help towards that.
They are too focused on releasing new ships so that they can sustain their workforce. Case in point, they released a new ship with 4.0.1. It's a slap in the face to those who want to play, can't open elevators or even get into their ship, and the company simultaneously says "hey, buy this new thing." In their defense, people are buying the new ships - stop that.
Backer since Nov 2015 have just cancelled my sub, 4.0 was another rash disaster for playability, waited a month for 4.0.1 and still issues with basic gameplay, we know its not a finished game but the repeat of the same problems time after time is getting ridiculous.
My 4.0.1 experience in a nutshell “rage quits”. So I expected it to be bad when 4.0 came out and it was, last few days of 4.0 Preview was actually better than 4.0.1. I can play long enough to get into my ship where I have zero power management, I may not be able to power up, AND I can get out of the pilot seat. I’m stuck most keys I need to work don’t but I can still open the mobile glass to see what I can’t do anyway. What’s worse is Arena Commander went to complete shit. I can’t change any of the loadouts of any of the ships. Once it looks like it might be save I go ingame to find that either components are missing or reverted back to default. Arena commander was working great no matter how bad 4.0 was I could always spend some time there it’s completely regressed
give us staircases as backup instead of elevators and being able to spawn small ground vehicles at the aspire grand would be incredibly helpful to work around some of the bugs.. But on the one hand game has always had issues back and forth with stability. Im always chockedthose times when the game actually runs well.
Yea you are definitely not a good candidate for a project that is clearly still in its Alpha phase of development. Instead of moving on and playing something else with more of an instant gratification feel, or posting your thoughts to the developer, you should waste your time and post your frustrations on a TH-cam video comment. 😂 I’m just messing with you mate. Cheers mate 🥂
Then just move on and play another game? I've never had problems on the game I've always had my stuff when they said there was no wipe or all these elevators people just need to chill tfo and understand this game is an ALPHA do you understand what that means? If not go rage on rust I'm sure they will accept you there
Funny enough I had a decent time with 4.0. I did not grind, always played on the servers that had early morning and did not linger on broken servers. Basically I was sightseeing. Very different story with 4.01, I was not able to spawn a ship. I don’t understand how 4.01 can be worse that 4.0 after cooking for another month.
Yeah the state of the basic functions have been ridiculous. And I'm usually very patient. Elevators not working, no mission markers are they main culprits. Literally stuck in a server tried switching but kept getting thrown back into the server where i couldn't leave the bed.
I got so tired of fighting to just play in 4.0 that I decided to wait until 4.0.1, and while my experience has been better it's still... not great. I got shard locked at Grim Hex once and stuck at New Babbage after a component shopping trip, and of course experienced the station elevators at several Pyro stations breaking, but I still managed to troubleshoot and work around the issue whereas prior to 4.0.1's release there was very little you could do other than try to be patient and hope.
I agree that it's kind of a slap in the face that they keep doing these stupid events that no one cares about and wasting dev time and money on those when basic gameplay and even logging in has massive issues. For the last 2 years, I've said that CIG's biggest problem is priorities.
Exactly, why would someone spend 200+ dollars on a ship when the elevators or hangers won't work to show you your purchase, let alone trying to get it out the hanger with never ending queue or doors closing randomly on you.
Elevator and tram system is literally the last of the old code which is why it’s broken almost 90% their currently reworking those system but god are the taking fucking forever bc that is definitely a major problem with this game
@@dizzy2193 Babage Hanger Elevators are locked and dead. Hab elevators lose their floors and you fall to your death. WTFG CIG. I didnt think 4.0 could get worse, but CIG surprised me.
I personally have yet to have a single problem with tram systems. I've had elevators take a while to come but besides that it's been reasonably fine. My biggest grief is little bugs that require me restarting my game to fix like no mission markers or or quantum not working.
Logged in yesterday to see what was going on, Every US server I could get into had 90% of people stuck in their beds in the habs and no one was able to leave the habitats even if they could stand up. Checked Europe servers and everything was buttery smooth
I can totally understand the post that was made. Marketing and development don’t seem to be on the same book much less page. The tutorial is a don’t ever do this because it doesn’t work. The same errors are constantly plaguing people no matter the patch. There are game features added but the playability doesn’t keep up. Events and free flys when the test play has issues much less the live. I really want Star Citizen to succeed but I can understand the sentiment of the poster when there are so many repeating errors and bugs from patch to patch. Thanks for keeping us in the know!
Currently unplayable. After logging in you can't take out your ship and now can't even log in. They should stop loading old bugs (which have already been fixed).
What is also very frustrating is the return of old bugs that were supposed to be solved and understood. Like multi-spawns in hab, lift not working, hangars doors not opening, falling through the ground or invincible NPCs. It seems that they were in fact not solved, just mitigate or hidden through tricks and reappear as soon as performance are bad or new functions are introduced.
I LOVE Star Citizen...But when 2-3hours of my day is spent unable to move anywhere in a station because elevators don't work, when my ship is unable to spawn without getting eating over and over, without QT jumping resulting in "chaos" everytime I use it(jumping past the point and halfway across the system before ALLOWING me to stop QT, QTing me to the wrong point, or even just not working), falling through my ship, falling through the world, ship jumping into a planet and then unable to leave...I just uninstall and wait. It's not just unplayable, it's a complete waste of time to try when every patch/wipe looks/follows the same bugplay loop.
That guy on the forums really hit the nail on the head. Events are worthless, especially in the face of massive game breaking bugs. I think they use events to create FOMO, thus the try re engage the community under false pretense. That pretense is that you can actually play the game right now for cool rewards. No you can't play the game right now. Who cares about cool rewards when you can't leave your hanger. The FOMO events only truly accomplish one true thing. Remind us how broken the game is. Events are click bait to broken or misleading channels. I want them so desperately to focus on playability bug fixes more than putting animals in the game, more than aesthetic changes, more than some lighting issue, more than a misspelling on some text. I want to play and complete missions and explore and fight. I want to craft and deliver stuff. I want to really love this game.
15:20 The Polaris is still largely a sitting duck in PvP, it's just a very tough sitting duck. It has no ability to contest fighters' and interceptors' ability to dictate an engagement, and since it uses the same weapons with the same statistics as those fighters, they can effectively fight it at ranges it cannot effectively fight them.
Thought I was lucky. Got into Crusader, managed to quickly get all elevators and they worked. Flew to Seraphim. Tried to take the elevator out of my hangar, there is a floor so should be fine. Nope hit lobby and fell into the station. Relogged and wake up in seraphim Habs. Moved my respawn and hoped in a ship and waypoints don't wanna play nice and I don't see most quantum points. Jump to one I can see if that fixes things after cycling ship systems. Now I have no QT points and none of my controls work. Decided to just logout instead of dying.
Two thing that SC has needed for almost what feels like forever is stability and replayability. Furthermore my org and I were also irritated for them pushing 4.0 out the door in the "preview" build before the end of the year. Everyone who has played the game for more then 6 months to a 1 year know they did this as a PR and marketing stunt. It's them sayings, "see we got 4.0 out this year so you can't blame us for not getting out and if it is buggy and doesn't really work well it's just a preview build so it's not technically live so you also can't yell at us". It is annoying and irritating seeing them as a company do this. And with his comments on transparency in CIG. I have been talking about this for years now, CIG as a company needs to take the time with their monthly reports and actually talk about what is going on and what is holding them back. I am tired of seeing their videos weekly and monthly that show off how amazing the game is doing while at the exact same time the servers are on fire and half the systems don't work. Just tell the community the truth, we can take it and will be more willing to be patient with you if you stop downplaying or ignoring massive problems. That being said I love how they attempt to be transparent and tell us what they are working on and what is coming soon. However, they need to increase their communication on problems that are happening and what they are doing to fix them. And if they don't know how to fix them yet, then tell us. I would be extremely happy if they came out and said, "we have no idea how this broke, it's gonna take awhile to fix but as soon as we know how or when to fix it you all will know". That would go a long way in the community instead of glazing over or ignoring problems during ISC videos, SCL streams and spectrum posts and only talking about what is coming and acting like everything is fine. This is not saying they don't address issues, however most of the time by the time they address an issue it has taken far too long.
They needed the data. Not enough people use PTU to get the testing for bugs- because no one wants to play without keeping their rep or credits. If more people played in the PTU things might be different but again it's about keeping rep and creds so...
@@callsigngrimdoll You're not wrong, but they have been doing this for years now over multiple patches and it's always the same excuse, we didn't have enough people playing the PTU but here you go. So it's a repeating record over and over again. And like they were saying and you were saying people don't have an incentive to play so give them one. People are generally greedy and selfish, so they want a reason to do something. Joining the PTU out of good will for the game is a noble cause but most people wouldn't do that because it isn't helping them in any significant way.
For me, someone who refuses to spend what they ask for digital good, and who has played since 3.13, am only back to playing after quitting in 3.18, because of persistence. I and many others are tired of losing everything we work towards. It's a big deal in the grand scheme of people playing the game in the first place.
Gamification is awful in this game. There is no clear progress outside more money to buy more ships and reputation to access missions that gives more money to buy more ships. And nothing can be understand inside the game, like component upgrading or the progress by renting industrial ships.
Great. Another broken patch. I’m at the point now where I have little confidence in this game fulfilling its potential. A new year, same old issues. It’s a shame as it promised so much but has consistently and repeatedly failed to deliver.
My 4.0.1 experience: - Shard locked for 3 days - Logged in to my character inside another person in Orison hab and was unable to move except for getting back in bed (getting out of bed again let me move around normally) - Trams work! - Fell through the floor while getting out of tram - Made it off the tram by jumping over the invisible gap between tram and platform! - Elevators not showing up - Throw bottles somebody piled around the elevator doors into the elevator...saw the bottles piling up inside invisible elevator (also, people running out invisible elevator)...so I try to walk into one...fall under the map (but not dead...just under the platform and running on invisible scaffolding) - Force respawn - The invisible hole while getting off the tram got bigger - Exit to Desktop
When I’m playing I just don’t see most of the issues I hear and see other people having. I did start having some weird QT bugs but otherwise I’ve been playing for several hours at a time. Maybe it’s because I’m not playing on a potato?
What does a potatoe have to do with an elevator dumping you into the middle of the planet? Maybe you aren't playing enough of the game to see what everyone else is seeing.
@ I play for four or five hours in one sitting every day. Also, I used to experience all these bugs. Then I upgraded my RAM and almost all of it disappeared. Now I’m running it on a new PC with 64GB DDR5 and getting high frames (usually between 90-144) in highly populated areas and stations, both in Stanton and in Pyro.
I would say fixing persistence is significantly more important if they are going to actually follow through with the promise of more frequent playability focused patches
in your last stream it was ' significantly better' are you even playing this game Bored, or just cashing in on ' gullible' viewers? At least the french guy actually played it .
I just got off from my best playthrough with star citizen 4.0.1 Hotfix. I was just doing bunker missions, but I Literally didn't have any delays or glitches. Transferring materials was smooth, the NPC were making me sweat. Wish the servers could always work like this...
Your bias is disgusting, especially contrasted with this post. I feel like you get a sanitized view of things by playing on the PTU, and by your own admission, at times of low-population. I can't help but compare this to Duke Nukem Forever, and how that was developed. I have never had any fun with this game, outside of sightseeing and crashing my ships. Which I can hardly do anymore with how long claiming your ship has become. But dog fighting in the PU has always felt awful. I'm not the best against the Arena Commander AI, but I could usually get to the end of the wave challenges. In the PU, I have never stood a chance, even against the AI. Watching videos by you and Morphologis, and I'll admit: I'm jealous as fuck. You guys seem to have fun and actually stand a chance in a fight. As if we're not playing the same game. I'm too poor to upgrade my PC to the best parts ever, but no matter the upgrade, nothing seems to boost my minimum framerate, unless I'm out in the middle of nowhere. This game and it's excuses are ridiculous.
The day this patch dropped I had a great time, ran all the first phase of Save Pyro missions and had fun with some emergent PVP. As of yesterday, I basically can't play even on HOTFIX. I've been getting infinite loading, falling through trains, non-existent elevators, elevators never arriving.
So much of this could have been properly addressed by setting appropriate expectations in their messaging. But, no, they wanted to end the year with a bang knowing full well that the best they could do was a fizzle. And, I get it, bangs sell ships, but they’re running out of false starts if they keep that up.
I was so stoked for 4.0 but it was so broken that I couldn't do much. Since then it's been "we've got the bugs fixed, we've got the bugs fixed, we've got the bugs fixed." Yet the bugs aren't fixed. Every patch it's the same thing. Every damn time. I'm not even bothering to download new patches because it's the same story. I've grown tired of it. I'm just so lost at this point as to where my future is with this game.
I got eaten by the elevator call button. It just sucked me into the wall between the elevator and outside. I Alt F4 and started watching your video. Oh and I'm on the Hotfix build.
They can't go on like this. They can't take 1 month + to fix very few issues, introduce new issues and only add small slivers of gameplay. They acknowledged they have to pick up the pace but they seem incapable to do it. I feel like at this rate we will have the originally promised 4.0 with CMEs, engineering, new damage model, fire system, life support system and control surfaces no sooner than 2027.
Huge waste of time. Wouldn't even load into PU. Takes up ANOTHER 115GB on hardrive as it's a different build. Sure let's just leave the other one there! Deleting both now and super bored of such a huge waste of everyones time - At this point it would be better to fund a new project based on better tech and values
It’s great when it works, but that isn’t usually for long. Just downloaded the latest hotfix and I have been trying to get in game for 45 minutes with no luck. Like many I have limited time each day to play, and far too often my hour or two a day won’t even get me into a ship once. I am an absolute fan boi with $7k invested in game over the last 3 years. But my patience is starting to wither. I’m likely to take a break for a year or two soon, like many, and for CIG this means my investment stops during that period too. They need to get some perspective on priorities. None of us want anything new now - please stop on engineering, bases etc until the game is stable and all ships are bought up to scratch.
With a lot of the issues being re-occurring, hopefully it will just take a few more runs at the code. If CIG can just make a breakthrough with the problems that keep popping up then the game will be fine
Couldn't do a single mission last night, tried for 4 hrs. Couldn't get out of the hanger, the doors would open but a wall blocks you from leaving, it ate my ship, was disgusted by the time I quit.... Also, with the new patch I lost Ship weapons and components, the ship weapons cost over 120k each so expensive to replace...
I considered it an amazing feat last time I played that I got out of bed, made it to the lobby, got into a hanger, loaded stuff on my ship, made it to the orbital station, got in a hanger and landed safely, used the elevator and made it to set a new regen. Something that at each step of this I had previously failed to achieve in the last week.
FOR ALL THE PEOPLE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING IN: I've switched to logging out at places like High Course and Green Glade stations and I've been logging in ever since extremely consistently and very quickly. As soon as I got away from major landing zones and stations, everything got better.
I couldn’t access a single elevator in Ruin station when I played 4.0.1. Was able to call ATC and get a hanger but the elevator up to the lobby never worked in a 2 hour period. Tried the landing pads and same issue…
Some may not know how to access the hot fix builds. I updated to it and did the second update to the hotfix and aside from the CFP salvage missions spawning in unreachable areas the rest of the gameplay was fine this morning.
I did a hauling run yesterday with pick up at Everus Harbor and two drop offs on Hurston. Upon returning to Everus Harbor, i attempted to store my ship but the ASOP terminal indicated it had been impounded even though it wasn't. So in order for me to store my ship, i had to pay the 50,000 aEU fine. So basically i didn't make any money on that run. what a joke of a game.
That's been happening to me on every move I make..use terminal, ship eaten by hangar, pay insane claim. Use inventory, repeat. This wipe started me with $5k after everything I had done.. how am I supposed to start square one with $5k when nothing works. Joke
Playable missions are a must, I like events here and there, but the save stanton I completely ignored. As for wipes, I prefer if things persist as I don't play often and it takes quite a while for me to gain rep and gear. If the wipe would be couple times a year I wouldn't bother playing at all. I plan to test 4.0.1 during weekend so I wonder how bad it will be
The wildest thing (and most frustrating) is the elevators, ASOP terminals and hangars bugging out. A space game, about flying spaceships, and the key elements that are necessary to get your spaceship into space seem to fail in epic fashion with each patch.
I play in a small comunity - I got in to 4.0.1. at least of 3 people had an infinite loading screen. Few more wore stuck on character creation. I was lucky, many others did not :( On the other hand: At least 3 times Hab elevator did not arrive. Twice after calling the ship with the exterior ASOP terminal - the ship spawned under the elevator, and is considered as Destroyed - it is NOT, It is right there!. The transit system is the major problem of killing fun and the will to play. I arrive at some station, ask for hangar, fly to it on the other side of the station - as I arrive, it starts to close, seems like I get the hangar for less then 20sec :(
As someone who was planet-trapped for over a week on 4.0 during the holidays, being able to play at all is a huge thing. I like the vision, I like the game, its something I've financially supported for years now because I believe its going to be cool. It is cool now, even - when it works. But there are days I look at that "money spent" and go "What else could I have gotten instead?"
Just logged off. Played mostly fine for me. Did a bunker mission Olli style. Then flew back to Seraphim, picked up some cargo and delivered it to Orison. Biggest problem was the bodies I grabbed from the bunker to loot disappeared from my Zeus ES cargo bay. I planned to loot them in my hangar at Seraphim, but they were "gone". When I went to load the cargo the grid seemed to be broken because they boxes wouldn't snap to in a strip on the left. Then I managed to pick up a invisible body with the tractor beam. All the bodies had become invisible. I would get the "loot" icon and could open their inventory, but the inventory was empty. I unloaded all the bodies and made sure they weren't on the landing pad or in the freight elevator so that those wouldn't break. They might have entered that state when I entered the instanced hangar. Lastly, Terrada is being dramatic. CIG didn't leave us with a unplayable patch because they left us with the 3.24.3 playable patch.
When I first launched 4.0.1 live, I had an *excellent* experience. Some of the most stable gameplay I've ever had in SC. Today, tried to get back on to continue salvaging - was plagued with transit bugs and elevator bugs that led to me being unable to get to a hangar, across multiple shards.
I've been playing for only about 5 years now that I think about it, pledging about two years ago but honestly while I stay cautiously optimistic I think some of the biggest grievances I have with CIG is how they prioritize sales and monetization heavily over just getting the game working. I had a good time on the PTU and was slightly excited for 4.01 live, then I saw they decided they wanted to do a FreeFly and ship sale event at the same time and all hope when out the window. Personally I get tired when I want to get on just to fly around or do a quick few missions just for me to get stuck in an elevator again like I have for years, I can only imagine how people who have been backing for over a decade feel like.
After being hyped for server meshing for years, I haven't even bothered with alpha 4. Here's why: -terrible flight model that has gotten worse over the years -terrible quality issues with every build -barely any good gameloops besides hauling and mining Get your shit together CIG.
The problem here is things were always going to get worse before they get better. Server meshing, increased player counts, were always going to be major technical challenges and getting it all to the place it needs to be for 1.0 is likely to be more technically challenging than anything CIG has done so far. Yet it comes precisely at a time when players are very, very ready for an end to bugs and just want to play a game that works. Player expectation and development reality are now at opposite ends of the spectrum and it feels like if CIG want to keep players onboard then they really need a better communication plan and release process than they've had to date. Pushing 4.0.1 to Live instead of the Preview Build, being a prime example of their failure to get the process right.
I feel if code writers put more work in.. write extra codes for "if an elevator doesn't spawn for player X the the elevator resets and re-renders" or "if a ship spawns but is below the elevator the vehicle is immediately safely stored and spawned again". write code that catches bugs and corrects them. "If the inventory doesn't open when you press the I key it will instantly refresh and load your inventory" or "if a terminal or elevator is not able to be interacted with it refreshes instantly rather than wait for a 30k or server reset". just need clever coders to write self correcting codes and codes that check self status of terminals/elevators/containers/ships if they can't be interacted with they refresh themselves before interacted with or as soon as highlighted for interaction it checks self status. If they don't do this then we will always be looking to the players to do the work-arounds to make stuff work. Like if you open a container (with items in it) and it says it has infinite space but doesn't show any items, it immediately corrects itself vs making you reopen the container multiple times to get the same results.. this needs done for all elevators and containers and eventually every time you interact with something it acts as intended. I don't write code but I can assist people with it.. its all about asking the right questions to get solutions. Sometimes i cant put helmet on and off with alt+h if i hit alt H and my helmet status doesnt change it should immediately force the change vs me manually taking off my helmet. The work-arounds should depend on code not the players. Whole server can't 30k or whatever everytime these issues come up.
At this point, I feel that the biggest issue with Star Citizen is the fact that the same basic problems have existed for over a decade. Every patch introduces new ships, new features, and definitiely new monetization opportunities for CIG, but the core things that allow people to play the game at all remain broken. A game where you have to take multiple lifts to reach your ship must have lifts that WORK. A game that requires you to call up and launch your ship must have functional hangars that don’t swallow it whole. These aren't minor inconveniences, they are fundamental barriers to even begin testing the rest of the functions in the game. The excuse of 'it's an alpha' is meaningless when these same problems have been around for years. The problem isn’t that bugs exist, we all know and accept that as the reality of SC. It’s that progress on fixing them feels nonexistent, while the focus remains demonstrably on selling more ships, for the price of several NEW games where whole fleets of ships are available. Eventually, people get tired of fighting the game just to experience it. When that fatigue sets in, no amount of new ships or promises will keep them around. I’m not here to attack anyone. I know people have different perspectives on this, but this is an opinion shared by many in the community, and its one that CIG doesn’t seem to listen to or take seriously.
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26:16. Oh you would.!?!
Maybe turn off that trash Auto mod. Unless it is your intention to behave as the Gustavo.!
Because it doesn't matter What the content of the message is.
If the auto mod doesn't like you. It doesn't matter what you say.!!!
Guarantee this message will self destruct as soon as it is posted.!
I love your content...but SC is finally dying. start branching out man to rebrand or you are going to not have a channel soon. CIG is finally cooked.
when you say "it's performative for me" what does that mean? how many missions did you do? how many types of missions? did they complete? do you take test data (I do bunker missions i do 3-5 a session & im perfectly willing to record them and post them as a resource for you others might do the same no charge it's a pleasure to be of service) like it or not you are a well known creator in this space so when you say it works for me that carries weight when players have a diametrically opposite experience they may feel betrayed. the best way to mitigate such expectations is via supporters who volunteer their testing with evidence. otherwise you could create a testing methodology that delineates what it means when you say "it's performative for me".
My biggest frustration with this game is that its always the very foundational fundamentals that fail with every patch. A game that requires you to use no fewer than 2 elevators to start playing MUST have functioning elevators. A game that requires you to summon a ship and successfully fly it out of a hangar MUST have functioning hangars that do not chew up your ship right before your eyes. No one but the most fanatical of game enthusiasts will put up with the BS they put people through to simply play their game at the basic level and it's not going to go well when the general public is pushed toward this game.
Well said
It took me 2 hours just to get past the launcher lmao
This is because the entire game company is a scam. How many more years before all your fanboys realize you've been duped? $800MIL USD and over 12 years - still no working elevators? Chris Roberts is a liar and his company is a scam.
💯 this. To add to this, as a game that requires you to handle items for every game loop, it must have a working inventory system that doesn’t eat your stuff. ideally one that isn’t harder to use and has at minimum item stacking and sort/search that’s been around since WoW.
Agreed. This is an insane state for a game/tech demo/alphawhatever to be in 12 years into development.
They need to stop with these rewards for events that cant even be played/completed because the game is in such a broken state for a lot of players.
The reward is for those that put up with the bugs in order to provide test data - you're not playing any actual game at the moment 😅
@@Bubblegum_Ronin but its no good if people cant actually test/complete or even start the missions because its so broken. Players have to actually be able to play and complete them. A lot of players cant even log in, leave hangar, get an elevator to work, cant access a hangar, fall through map geomotry.....to name but a few of the issues.
The game isnt even testable for a lot of players.
@@Spidder81 can't disagree there, it 100% needs to be playable enough to complete, let's see what happens over the coming months..
Right. The point of a reward is to encourage people, but if you can't complete it - that is not very encouraging and you never end up getting the reward anyway. Seems to me, at this point, simply being able to complete an event without any issues IS the reward.
@@Spidder81maybe I’m the odd one or the exception but I completed save Stanton on both my accounts. Tbf 50% I couldn’t complete or even start half the missions
I love this game a lot. But it's been mostly unplayable for 3 months and I only get a little game time each week between my kids and all. Spending all of that time banging my head against a wall because I can't even get in more than once is wildly frustrating.
This is where I've been with the game these days too. Lots of RL keeping me from playing long hours and, when I get free time, I'd rather have fun and not be frustrated.
Where are you trying to log back in? If you are logging in at landing zones and major space stations, this could be a lot of the problem. Log out at the non-major space stations like Green Glade or High Course. That solved pretty much all my logging in problems and it been smooth ever since.
@mrJMD I died in pyro and couldn't revive. Allegedly I'm respawning at ruin station, but I had it set to the Stanton gateway. I've gotten in one time each on 4.0 & 4.0.1 then it's just infinite loading screens.
Bro my exact boat. I wanna turn it on but it’s Russian roulette
It's sad to keep simping for it
I think the inconsistency is a huge factor. Sometimes I can play for hours with no issues, other times it takes hours for me to even get to my ship and meet up with a friend.
This has been my experience the last couple of years. It's like I get hardly any problems in a session or I get every single problem.
This is a vicious circle as players are dying from bugs, they abandon their corpses and old ships everywhere. When there are tens of ships around an outpost or station, it just means that all players going there are dying from a bug or another. and the more scrap, the less performances and the more bugs ...
it's gotten a LOT worse in 2024 with server recovery. the longer since patch day the worse every single aspect of the game becomes
Perfectly put. I had some of the most stable gameplay I’ve ever had the day the update went live. Earned about 700k doing hauling! Today, I’ve had to do a character repair before every time I’ve logged in. And even that doesn’t always work. Complete inconsistency.
That french guy summarized everything neatly. CIG should REALLY take this seriously.
I believe they are finally, but it isn't something that is going to be fixed in a few weeks regardless of how many content creators focus on it or how many players shout foul in spectrum.
It'll take months and if SC is in a vastly improved spot by this year's Citizencon, then they're on track.
They're working on it. It's our job to apply patience, and test (if that's your thing) when the time comes.
Maybe they could quit drinking porn and cocaine
nah he is ragebaiting. speaking in toxic language... but dont expect anything else from those baguette eaters
@@arcadealchemistYou can drink all that? I’ve been doing it wrong.
Inb4 zyloh ”I assure you we take it seriously” followed by another shipsale
"The games in alpha"
That excuse has worn itself out
it is the reason tho, it is an alpha, you signed up to test it, so test it
yet its the truth, saying its "worn out" doesn't change that fact, plus maybe we should just the stability and playability of the game at the end of the year, rather then just decrying them that they "gave up" after less then a month, that isn't fair on the devs working their asses off to get things working and/or fixed when the community at large is verbally attacking them a lot of the time
@Mullers6 we've been "testing" the elevators for almost a decade. They're still broken.
What exactly does "testing" the most basic systems count for if the development isn't progressing them.
Alpha is just a convenient hand-wave for these very old, very central systems. It only works as an excuse for actual new content.
I think the main point is that it's a tiring excuse when people use it to tell people to shut up.
Then they need to stop marketing it with "play today" instead using words like test today because by using the word play it gives people the false indication that it's a game and not a 15 year old tech demo@@Mullers6
“It’s an alpha” doesn’t cut it anymore for many players.
Agreed
I am not trying to defend them.. god knows they don’t deserve it. Would you rather they close the whole Alpha testing and release a broken game in a few years? What’s the alternative? Everyone likes to complain but no one offers a solution.
@@sammieee2610 the solution is easy : Fire CR and stop the mismanagement of CIG
I can see why it wouldn't cut it for most people, though there's nothing else to use as a point of reference. You can't compare dev times to other games, there are no other games that have attempted a game of this scale / scope. Sure, there are a few other games that have used more money and took just as long or longer to develop, but even those weren't trying to do something this crazy.
People shouldn't get mad that it takes longer to build the Burj Khalifa than it does a 4 story house.
@@sammieee2610 Maybe they should shift their attention from focusing on comically expensive ships and bundles, and start focusing on all the issues. There are solutions, they just have to be willing to listen to the playerbase. Stop making ships that cost $500.00 that few people are going to actually purchase, and focus on making the game stable by fixing the trains, elevators, and hangars.
BoredGamer, I'm not sure how you can say its playable, but then also buggy. You just said it could take you hours to try and get around bugs for a few minutes of gameplay.. That's the definition of not playable.
Why do you think? He and Super Mac Brothers are in the same camp.
The "everything is fine! Amazing progress" camp.
They are biased.
Plain and simple
They need to give up on item persistence for "Everything". Total waste of server resources, causes problems for no reason. We shouldn't have mountains of medical gown boxes and empty bottles everywhere.
second this
True
They started cleaning things up. And now cargo disappears from your ship if it gets stored. I was able to enjoy the game more pre 3.18.
@@andyandreson3989 oh god are you serious? It's a bug or is intended?
@@riccardoboom3618 It better be a bug. Your ship auto stores when you leave the hangar. Come back and everything on the grid was gone. I’ve lost so much gear I was transferring around. Quite frustrating.
CIG needs to get ahead of this fast.
They do not have a funding model that can survive a disenchanted player base.
sure they can. they've dealt with the game being barely playable trash for like 7+ years. duh??
it's never been a real game. just a bad, buggy tech demo. falling through the floor, trams that literally float off in space/bug out, elevators that don't work, etc etc etc.. these are all bugs that have been in the game for years. it's never been much of a game. it's been a scam.
but their player base are pretty much willing to eat CIG's poop and say "yum more!" because of some shiny pixels and a pre-recorded scenes shown at citizens conned convention.
You realize the entire business model is built around developing technologies for them to sell right? Star Citizen was/is a neat bonus CIG never expected nor intended on actually finishing in the first place. They keep shifting company structure around when they realize SC might actually be a feasible project only to get the budget cut and layoff staff.
I'm fully convinced we are already playing the finished game, they just throw some paint at it whenever it's time to test new tech to sell.
@@SirIsaacMewtonIII According to recent information, the Cloud Imperium Games (CIG) has 1000 employees. The overheads month on month are insane and their desperate continued release of more and more overpowered ships lead me to believe their funds burn rate is intense (money earned is instantly used). While the whales may keep spending I think the bulk of CIGs funds come from kids buying starter ships and the first upgrade from that level. I have never seen so many SC players pissed off. Hoping the needle shifts from the company dictating direction and progress of the game to the players. God knows the players earned a say. We are not paying for their vision - they are working to earn ours.
@@windex527 If BioWare indicated they shifted their engine to use Star Engine for the next Mass Effect CIG is saved… anything less than that, their Star Citizen project which is a D-Tier game with worst in class game mechanics and systems is headed towards a catastrophic FLOP.
there is very little player base left 🤣
4.0.1 HOTFIX: after 7 hours of gameplay, I couldn't complete even ONE cargo run with the save Stanton ch. 2. From more than 10 game crashes, getting rammed upon landing at delivery outpost, to my ship being shot without any visual or audio cues letting me know that I'm being shot. A complete waste of 7 hours. Maybe I will step away from Star Citizen again..
i did all 6 headhunter missions in about 8 hours, but i did the go to place A and shoot a bunch of enemies so it was relatively easy, had like 3 server errors, had to switch servers 6 times to be able to use 1 elevator and crashed like 7 times
you wasted 7 hours hahaha
Im on a Star Citizen break. Tried 4.0 and it is visually stunning but there is just too much crap to deal with. I'll probably stay low until SQ42 release
Agreed, except F**K SQ42 wasting time, cash, and resources for another 2 yr wait still
i'm waiting for all them hotfixes being pushed to Live, and hopefully I can play this weekend.. I tried the hotfix version but cargo bugged out on me even more than Live, i'm running out of energy trying to do the most basic thing.
Me too.. try again in 6 months
welcome to the back of the car.
They're going to kill star citizen when s42 launches. What with having star engine to sell to other developers, it's a matter of time.
No more money to CIG, until the Game i already pledged for becomes at least playable.
I was already there with 3.23 and Master Modes - this is not the flight model of the game I backed eleven years ago.
Train in Lorville took me out of the city directly into a mountain. Then I couldn't log in, got infinite login screen because i was in invalid location. Did character repair finally logged in after a day, only to find both elevators in everus harbor are 2 black holes.
I really am wondering if this game can be fixed, because I'm certain they are not doing on purpose, and same bugs are in the game for years. Maybe it's a clusterfuck of unfixable code in the background. Hope not, but this hope is running thinner and thinner. For sure I'm not spending any more money until the game gets into a playable state. Alfa is no exuse for not fixing 5+years old bugs.
This 👆
I sincerely hope the few staff who resigned recently had other reasons than the game actually being irreversibly bugged and fubar...
Pretty sure at this point CIG is doing it all on purpose because no one there has any clue what they are doing and if they make everybody leave the game they can file for bankruptcy instead of shutting it down and then Chris Roberts won’t have to give his yacht back
One session I'm able to play for hours. Next session I'm trapped in the elevator.
You got an elevator?
@@Sephiroth1550haha, exactly I have yet to arrive in my hangar in 4.01
I had a whole snapped to grid cargo load and when I got to sell it all gone lol no it wasn't stolen
Cant get trapped in an elevator if you dont play.
@COMMANDERHAWK22 the only winning move is not to play?
I spend most my limited playtime working around bugs than actually playing.
Yes me too. Getting stuck in doors, elevators, failing to open spaceship.... So I gave up. And thats over 2-3 years ago.
Agree, the time lost to stupid bugs is a massive source of frustration
Server meshing was supposed to help with all of these issues. I mean that is what it was designed to do. Get rid of the lag/desync and so on.... it feels way worst now than it ever did.
Sadly many of the major bugs with hauling contracts I saw in 4.0 are still there in 4.01...
1) When you try to fly from Area 18 to Baijini, you overshoot it every time (by millions of KM). The only workaround is to target lyria and then target an OM. Then you can move to Baijini.
2) If you take on more than one contract, you don't get paid for one of the two when you drop them off.
3) Some times when you drop off the cargo, it only shows a partial drop-off; like 84/86.
4) Ships aren't properly delivered. This has happened with my ATLS
If they spawn and complete it did not matter for me if i dump all at once.
You might try the route from Tressler to Stanton IV prod center or Tressler to Sakura sun Goldenrod, if its an Area18 depending bug.
The overshooting is inconsistent, actually - short quantum hops like that tend to go long, flying through planets even, in a Hercules but work as expected in a Sabre.
I think the "Hotfix" resolved the one about Hauling contracts not properly completing. I just completed 7 concurrent contracts. Before that I did 5.
Well said, with one exception. I think it's important that content creators get brutally honest about this. The game breaking problems are widespread. When elevators and hangers break, they break for everyone on server and seemingly is happening across all servers pretty nearly all the time. If people are having a good play through, they are in the extreme minority. We need to stop giving CIG a pass by pretending the game is in ANY sort of playable state for pretty much anyone except in rare occasions.
I hate it when one streamers says "well, I haven't had any bugs, it's been great. I just don't bother playing the game to avoid the bugs"
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Elevators don't affect everyone on the server, it's all random with the bugs across the board. Some are affected, others have zero issues. Just depends on if the game wa ts to fuck you over, which if it isn't elevators it will always be something else.
@northernfabricationllc2281 Point is, a streamer saying "Well its been fine for me so..." is pointless, people aren't lying when they say the game is busted.
This post really clarified things for me regarding CIG. While nothing was entirely unexpected, it crystallized my thoughts. I'm hopeful for improvement, but the ball is in CIG's court. As a six-year backer who's invested over $800, I feel disillusioned. I regret and even feel foolish for buying into the hype. While a turnaround is still possible, and I sincerely hope for one, I won't invest another cent until I see tangible progress. I love this game but I also love myself.
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Sick of not being able to play and when I do all my progress is wiped..
I was given $5k after the wipe and it took everything I have.. wtf?
Your kids children will enjoy your ships when the game releases and is playable then.
Im.right there with you at almost 5k in 2 of my ships i can't even spawn until sq42 comes out.
Ive invested thousands. Happily.. Proudly.. Confidently.. But no more.. That is changed. I feel duped and ashamed.
I'm also done with this... grinded my a.. off during the 4.0 just to have 80% of my systems and vehicle guns deleted. Im not grinding another 8 attrition-5 guns, that's for sure.
Same here, I’m not grinding stuff like that anymore, I’ll try occasionally but it’s time to look for a new game to play, this shit is just a massive waste of time and energy
@@pmc7071Get Warhammer 40k Rogue Trader. It’s an incredible detailed and extremely impressive meaty RPG that has hundreds of hours of gameplay. In overall fun factor it utterly demolishes Star Citizen .
4.0 broke my star citizen spirit... i have weathered most patches, all the way back to god knows when, with the view of "they will fix it".... this time, im not too sure
same, and I've backed more than I will say here lol
lol 😂 “no wipe” raight…. 98% of my inventory disappeared 97% of my $ disappeared and 20% of my in-game ships disappeared.!
Me too.. and they gave me $5k to start. No bs.
The economy is broken from duping too so that guarantees a wipe
they are looking into it, it was unintentional according to CIG's post.
Ironical I got back my missing items from 4.0 Preview 🤣 but I also got over 50 junk items added for no reason in my storage at the starting location.
I don't want a recipe to bake a cake. I want to play a game. Get on with it CIG!
@@solomonmitchell6048 can't we have our cake and eat it too?
maybe use some more exclamation marks and they'll listen lol
@@clearlisted YES!!!! MORE EXCLAMATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The problem is the community has been speaking in spectrum but 'CIG Nightrider" deletes any critical posts or hides them away in feedback. The only reason we get to see this post is because of the streamers large presence, he would make a huge noise if his post was deleted. CIG is not letting the community have any meaningful discussion on critical points which is how we have gotten to today. So many discussions criticising MM were disappeared and CIG thought they knew better, than the people who have the most actual playtime with their game. CIG are pushing ahead without any meaningful community contribution to their own detriment. MM marked the noticable decline of community goodwill
What I do not understand about MM is that they create a dynamic fine power management system at the same time. MM is in fact a crude power management system where you have to choose between weapons+shield or engine+quantum. Just make ships not having enough power for everything at once, remove MM and give players saved power setting. If you want to give power to quantum you would have to remove all power to weapons or shield or engine anyway. So the player could chose.
We had that. Now CIG feels a slow dps race to the lowest common denominator of pay
to win is "better"
Agreed, the mods delete the hell out of posts. I had to edit my post 4 times to adhere to all their rules. They do everything in their power to censor criticism. I would guess that for every critical post you see many more are censored. It’s gross
Nightrider = Chris
Man I had a comment deleted in spectrum chat today. Sure, I was a little out of line (I was joking with what I said) but cig doesn’t seems to want to acknowledge that people are getting pissed and will ignore valid criticism if it isn’t said in “constructive” way.
Their skin needs to start to thicken up as we are almost past the point of constructive criticisms. Valid points presented in an angry way do not invalidate the point. they need to understand that the anger/frustration stem from people genuinely wanting this to be great but they are missing the mark time after time and the player base is getting ready to break out pitchforks and torches.
releases patch broken,
patch ends up being broken
cig: surprised pikachu face
There's nothing like getting into a two hour salvage groove and then have your ship just DISAPPEAR leaving you floating in space. I haven't had this frustrating of a time with SC since I started playing in 2019, hopefully things will get better soon!
Starting a free flight on this buggy mess was a brilliant idea.
I’am sure most would agree that we have placed less money in games that were fully playable without issues. We are literally paying to be “Testers” instead of them paying us to test their “alpha.”
It is disgraceful to us when they don’t keep things working enough for us to actually test at any length without detrimental issues.
On top of that they continue to push ship sales.
No more money from me until I can do basic gameplay without an issue!
Let the word of mouf do it's job
I agree with the post on basically everything. For ALL of 4.0 I was entirely unable to even log into the game. I would get a massive loading screen before eventually crashing out. No amount of "dodging bugs" will save you if the game won't let you log in. Now with 4.0.1 i seem to be able to log in again, but then end up stuck in the habs because of the elevators.... it's just not fun anymore. I want to love the game but it's getting increasingly more difficult by the patch...
I was able to login in 4.0 now 4.0.1 i can get pass the loading screen.
Server performance is indeed a big issue right now and should be their main focus. Along with persistance of items (minus the garbage)
Just imagine a new player that bought the game yesterday and found himself in the infinite loading page what can think about this mess. I'm a vet of this game and today I can't enter the game right now. Yesterday I can't save my body type just to say. Today I can save it but I'm struck in the infinite loading page....I've played 4.0 for all the holidays with some problems but "playable". Right now I haven't played 4.01 because I can't join servers..this is a very big fail about CIG and this new patch. This game will never be ready if after years the most basic stuff doesn't work. Very diasppinted of the actual situation.
You can open console and see if you are stucked and waiting for some server task which should be normally fast like to unstuck your player after crash - you need to wait for your account to go offline then so you could change server or do account repair will help and it will go also offline. Or you can see in console if you are already loaded and your surroundings is loaded as it gets changed and you are just waiting for a spawn which sometimes is just taking a while. But the state of 4.0.1 is terrible it gets worse after login.
I had to character reset more times in the last 48 hours than I have in the last 5 years , i was getting stuck in my pilot seat and slowly everything else would stop working and then on top of that I would get locked to that particular server meaning I coulnt region hop in the hope of it fixing itself , but that being said when it does work (which it has done a few times ) it's been a really pleasant gameplay experience
I've only played SC once in the last few weeks, and that was to see if there were any improvements, but I couldn't get out of my hangar, so logged out and played a game that actually works. Whilst I appreciate the game's not finished yet, after this many years, it's disappointing to see that they keep breaking the basics. The whole thing feels like it's held together using a Pritt stick with some frog tape. I truly hope we can have a more robust game this year. Beyond that, a personal hope of mine is for more internal places / buildings to explore (if you ignore the trams, there's hardly any internal space across all of the major landing zones), and some proper NPCs at some point that we can interact with. It would be great if the world itself was a bit richer and alive in that regard, and I think this would help towards that.
It seems to me their system is unable to be fixed, every bug just comes back again.
They are too focused on releasing new ships so that they can sustain their workforce. Case in point, they released a new ship with 4.0.1. It's a slap in the face to those who want to play, can't open elevators or even get into their ship, and the company simultaneously says "hey, buy this new thing." In their defense, people are buying the new ships - stop that.
Backer since Nov 2015 have just cancelled my sub, 4.0 was another rash disaster for playability, waited a month for 4.0.1 and still issues with basic gameplay, we know its not a finished game but the repeat of the same problems time after time is getting ridiculous.
Should be a PLAYABLE unfinished Alpha though. You are exactly correct
My 4.0.1 experience in a nutshell “rage quits”. So I expected it to be bad when 4.0 came out and it was, last few days of 4.0 Preview was actually better than 4.0.1. I can play long enough to get into my ship where I have zero power management, I may not be able to power up, AND I can get out of the pilot seat. I’m stuck most keys I need to work don’t but I can still open the mobile glass to see what I can’t do anyway. What’s worse is Arena Commander went to complete shit. I can’t change any of the loadouts of any of the ships. Once it looks like it might be save I go ingame to find that either components are missing or reverted back to default. Arena commander was working great no matter how bad 4.0 was I could always spend some time there it’s completely regressed
give us staircases as backup instead of elevators and being able to spawn small ground vehicles at the aspire grand would be incredibly helpful to work around some of the bugs.. But on the one hand game has always had issues back and forth with stability. Im always chockedthose times when the game actually runs well.
The phrase 1 step forward, 2 steps backwards comes to mind.
You mean the same shit that’s always wrong with this game……sick of this BS. This game is a complete waste of time and has been for the past year.
Yea you are definitely not a good candidate for a project that is clearly still in its Alpha phase of development.
Instead of moving on and playing something else with more of an instant gratification feel, or posting your thoughts to the developer, you should waste your time and post your frustrations on a TH-cam video comment. 😂
I’m just messing with you mate.
Cheers mate 🥂
Then just move on and play another game? I've never had problems on the game I've always had my stuff when they said there was no wipe or all these elevators people just need to chill tfo and understand this game is an ALPHA do you understand what that means? If not go rage on rust I'm sure they will accept you there
It’s not an alpha , it’s been 12 years at best it’s still a test demo let’s be honest 😂😂😂😂
Funny enough I had a decent time with 4.0. I did not grind, always played on the servers that had early morning and did not linger on broken servers. Basically I was sightseeing.
Very different story with 4.01, I was not able to spawn a ship. I don’t understand how 4.01 can be worse that 4.0 after cooking for another month.
Than stop playing and hoping it'll get better and quit.
I've encountered a bunch of typical server load issues so far. Probably doesn't help having a free fly at the same time as the patch was released.
Doing a free fly on an umplayable version is a great marketing idea.
Thanks!
I have been having no issues in this patch. It’s been the best I have played. So smooth.
I've just had the regular issues. Elevators not working and weird stuff with quantum traveling.
CIG wont exist in 2026: Hello GTA 6 Rockstar studios
Yeah the state of the basic functions have been ridiculous. And I'm usually very patient. Elevators not working, no mission markers are they main culprits. Literally stuck in a server tried switching but kept getting thrown back into the server where i couldn't leave the bed.
I got so tired of fighting to just play in 4.0 that I decided to wait until 4.0.1, and while my experience has been better it's still... not great. I got shard locked at Grim Hex once and stuck at New Babbage after a component shopping trip, and of course experienced the station elevators at several Pyro stations breaking, but I still managed to troubleshoot and work around the issue whereas prior to 4.0.1's release there was very little you could do other than try to be patient and hope.
I agree that it's kind of a slap in the face that they keep doing these stupid events that no one cares about and wasting dev time and money on those when basic gameplay and even logging in has massive issues. For the last 2 years, I've said that CIG's biggest problem is priorities.
Exactly, why would someone spend 200+ dollars on a ship when the elevators or hangers won't work to show you your purchase, let alone trying to get it out the hanger with never ending queue or doors closing randomly on you.
I’ve seen tons of bugs with elevator and trams in new Babbage.
nice pic bro o7
Elevator and tram system is literally the last of the old code which is why it’s broken almost 90% their currently reworking those system but god are the taking fucking forever bc that is definitely a major problem with this game
@@dizzy2193 Babage Hanger Elevators are locked and dead. Hab elevators lose their floors and you fall to your death. WTFG CIG. I didnt think 4.0 could get worse, but CIG surprised me.
I personally have yet to have a single problem with tram systems. I've had elevators take a while to come but besides that it's been reasonably fine. My biggest grief is little bugs that require me restarting my game to fix like no mission markers or or quantum not working.
Yes, we're stranded in New Babbage! 🙄
Logged in yesterday to see what was going on, Every US server I could get into had 90% of people stuck in their beds in the habs and no one was able to leave the habitats even if they could stand up. Checked Europe servers and everything was buttery smooth
I can totally understand the post that was made. Marketing and development don’t seem to be on the same book much less page. The tutorial is a don’t ever do this because it doesn’t work. The same errors are constantly plaguing people no matter the patch. There are game features added but the playability doesn’t keep up. Events and free flys when the test play has issues much less the live. I really want Star Citizen to succeed but I can understand the sentiment of the poster when there are so many repeating errors and bugs from patch to patch. Thanks for keeping us in the know!
Currently unplayable. After logging in you can't take out your ship and now can't even log in.
They should stop loading old bugs (which have already been fixed).
What is also very frustrating is the return of old bugs that were supposed to be solved and understood. Like multi-spawns in hab, lift not working, hangars doors not opening, falling through the ground or invincible NPCs. It seems that they were in fact not solved, just mitigate or hidden through tricks and reappear as soon as performance are bad or new functions are introduced.
Had another player spawning in my hab last night.. the hab I couldn't get out of or interact with anything in tye game. 👍
I LOVE Star Citizen...But when 2-3hours of my day is spent unable to move anywhere in a station because elevators don't work, when my ship is unable to spawn without getting eating over and over, without QT jumping resulting in "chaos" everytime I use it(jumping past the point and halfway across the system before ALLOWING me to stop QT, QTing me to the wrong point, or even just not working), falling through my ship, falling through the world, ship jumping into a planet and then unable to leave...I just uninstall and wait. It's not just unplayable, it's a complete waste of time to try when every patch/wipe looks/follows the same bugplay loop.
That guy on the forums really hit the nail on the head. Events are worthless, especially in the face of massive game breaking bugs. I think they use events to create FOMO, thus the try re engage the community under false pretense. That pretense is that you can actually play the game right now for cool rewards. No you can't play the game right now. Who cares about cool rewards when you can't leave your hanger. The FOMO events only truly accomplish one true thing. Remind us how broken the game is. Events are click bait to broken or misleading channels. I want them so desperately to focus on playability bug fixes more than putting animals in the game, more than aesthetic changes, more than some lighting issue, more than a misspelling on some text. I want to play and complete missions and explore and fight. I want to craft and deliver stuff. I want to really love this game.
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15:20 The Polaris is still largely a sitting duck in PvP, it's just a very tough sitting duck. It has no ability to contest fighters' and interceptors' ability to dictate an engagement, and since it uses the same weapons with the same statistics as those fighters, they can effectively fight it at ranges it cannot effectively fight them.
I find it ironic the new babbage functionality is broken as it was supposed to be the place with the latest and greatest tech.
Thought I was lucky. Got into Crusader, managed to quickly get all elevators and they worked. Flew to Seraphim. Tried to take the elevator out of my hangar, there is a floor so should be fine. Nope hit lobby and fell into the station. Relogged and wake up in seraphim Habs.
Moved my respawn and hoped in a ship and waypoints don't wanna play nice and I don't see most quantum points. Jump to one I can see if that fixes things after cycling ship systems. Now I have no QT points and none of my controls work. Decided to just logout instead of dying.
Two thing that SC has needed for almost what feels like forever is stability and replayability. Furthermore my org and I were also irritated for them pushing 4.0 out the door in the "preview" build before the end of the year. Everyone who has played the game for more then 6 months to a 1 year know they did this as a PR and marketing stunt. It's them sayings, "see we got 4.0 out this year so you can't blame us for not getting out and if it is buggy and doesn't really work well it's just a preview build so it's not technically live so you also can't yell at us". It is annoying and irritating seeing them as a company do this. And with his comments on transparency in CIG. I have been talking about this for years now, CIG as a company needs to take the time with their monthly reports and actually talk about what is going on and what is holding them back. I am tired of seeing their videos weekly and monthly that show off how amazing the game is doing while at the exact same time the servers are on fire and half the systems don't work. Just tell the community the truth, we can take it and will be more willing to be patient with you if you stop downplaying or ignoring massive problems.
That being said I love how they attempt to be transparent and tell us what they are working on and what is coming soon. However, they need to increase their communication on problems that are happening and what they are doing to fix them. And if they don't know how to fix them yet, then tell us. I would be extremely happy if they came out and said, "we have no idea how this broke, it's gonna take awhile to fix but as soon as we know how or when to fix it you all will know". That would go a long way in the community instead of glazing over or ignoring problems during ISC videos, SCL streams and spectrum posts and only talking about what is coming and acting like everything is fine. This is not saying they don't address issues, however most of the time by the time they address an issue it has taken far too long.
They needed the data. Not enough people use PTU to get the testing for bugs- because no one wants to play without keeping their rep or credits. If more people played in the PTU things might be different but again it's about keeping rep and creds so...
Very well said!! Bump this post up! Bored should pin it.
@@callsigngrimdoll You're not wrong, but they have been doing this for years now over multiple patches and it's always the same excuse, we didn't have enough people playing the PTU but here you go. So it's a repeating record over and over again. And like they were saying and you were saying people don't have an incentive to play so give them one. People are generally greedy and selfish, so they want a reason to do something. Joining the PTU out of good will for the game is a noble cause but most people wouldn't do that because it isn't helping them in any significant way.
For me it has been horrible. Unable to spawn ships, ships disappearing, hangars not opening. So horrible that I stopped playing for the moment😢
For me, someone who refuses to spend what they ask for digital good, and who has played since 3.13, am only back to playing after quitting in 3.18, because of persistence. I and many others are tired of losing everything we work towards. It's a big deal in the grand scheme of people playing the game in the first place.
Gamification is awful in this game. There is no clear progress outside more money to buy more ships and reputation to access missions that gives more money to buy more ships. And nothing can be understand inside the game, like component upgrading or the progress by renting industrial ships.
I think alot of the issues are just related to server load. When player count is low it is actually an ok experience (at least for me)
Great. Another broken patch. I’m at the point now where I have little confidence in this game fulfilling its potential. A new year, same old issues. It’s a shame as it promised so much but has consistently and repeatedly failed to deliver.
My 4.0.1 experience:
- Shard locked for 3 days
- Logged in to my character inside another person in Orison hab and was unable to move except for getting back in bed (getting out of bed again let me move around normally)
- Trams work!
- Fell through the floor while getting out of tram
- Made it off the tram by jumping over the invisible gap between tram and platform!
- Elevators not showing up
- Throw bottles somebody piled around the elevator doors into the elevator...saw the bottles piling up inside invisible elevator (also, people running out invisible elevator)...so I try to walk into one...fall under the map (but not dead...just under the platform and running on invisible scaffolding)
- Force respawn
- The invisible hole while getting off the tram got bigger
- Exit to Desktop
When I’m playing I just don’t see most of the issues I hear and see other people having.
I did start having some weird QT bugs but otherwise I’ve been playing for several hours at a time.
Maybe it’s because I’m not playing on a potato?
What does a potatoe have to do with an elevator dumping you into the middle of the planet? Maybe you aren't playing enough of the game to see what everyone else is seeing.
I'm on a potato but I still have a good time playing
Though I have just been around orison
@ I play for four or five hours in one sitting every day.
Also, I used to experience all these bugs. Then I upgraded my RAM and almost all of it disappeared.
Now I’m running it on a new PC with 64GB DDR5 and getting high frames (usually between 90-144) in highly populated areas and stations, both in Stanton and in Pyro.
To what extent is this a GAME that can be actually played now? I mean... Does the game work as a game? I gave up on this years ago.
I would say fixing persistence is significantly more important if they are going to actually follow through with the promise of more frequent playability focused patches
in your last stream it was ' significantly better' are you even playing this game Bored, or just cashing in on ' gullible' viewers? At least the french guy actually played it .
Say you didn’t pay an ounce of attention before saying something dumb, without actually saying it. 🤦♂️
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Also 21:22 - he touches on his personal experience extensively. At least watch a video before you vomit negativity into the comments.
I just got off from my best playthrough with star citizen 4.0.1 Hotfix. I was just doing bunker missions, but I Literally didn't have any delays or glitches. Transferring materials was smooth, the NPC were making me sweat. Wish the servers could always work like this...
Your bias is disgusting, especially contrasted with this post. I feel like you get a sanitized view of things by playing on the PTU, and by your own admission, at times of low-population. I can't help but compare this to Duke Nukem Forever, and how that was developed. I have never had any fun with this game, outside of sightseeing and crashing my ships. Which I can hardly do anymore with how long claiming your ship has become. But dog fighting in the PU has always felt awful. I'm not the best against the Arena Commander AI, but I could usually get to the end of the wave challenges. In the PU, I have never stood a chance, even against the AI. Watching videos by you and Morphologis, and I'll admit: I'm jealous as fuck. You guys seem to have fun and actually stand a chance in a fight. As if we're not playing the same game. I'm too poor to upgrade my PC to the best parts ever, but no matter the upgrade, nothing seems to boost my minimum framerate, unless I'm out in the middle of nowhere. This game and it's excuses are ridiculous.
I love how the star citizen ad interrupts just after you talked about marketing issues
-+30 min loading and then waiting for the tram that doesn't come 3 times in a row
The day this patch dropped I had a great time, ran all the first phase of Save Pyro missions and had fun with some emergent PVP. As of yesterday, I basically can't play even on HOTFIX. I've been getting infinite loading, falling through trains, non-existent elevators, elevators never arriving.
So much of this could have been properly addressed by setting appropriate expectations in their messaging. But, no, they wanted to end the year with a bang knowing full well that the best they could do was a fizzle. And, I get it, bangs sell ships, but they’re running out of false starts if they keep that up.
I was so stoked for 4.0 but it was so broken that I couldn't do much. Since then it's been "we've got the bugs fixed, we've got the bugs fixed, we've got the bugs fixed." Yet the bugs aren't fixed. Every patch it's the same thing. Every damn time. I'm not even bothering to download new patches because it's the same story. I've grown tired of it. I'm just so lost at this point as to where my future is with this game.
I got eaten by the elevator call button. It just sucked me into the wall between the elevator and outside. I Alt F4 and started watching your video. Oh and I'm on the Hotfix build.
They can't go on like this. They can't take 1 month + to fix very few issues, introduce new issues and only add small slivers of gameplay.
They acknowledged they have to pick up the pace but they seem incapable to do it.
I feel like at this rate we will have the originally promised 4.0 with CMEs, engineering, new damage model, fire system, life support system and control surfaces no sooner than 2027.
Huge waste of time. Wouldn't even load into PU. Takes up ANOTHER 115GB on hardrive as it's a different build. Sure let's just leave the other one there! Deleting both now and super bored of such a huge waste of everyones time - At this point it would be better to fund a new project based on better tech and values
It’s great when it works, but that isn’t usually for long. Just downloaded the latest hotfix and I have been trying to get in game for 45 minutes with no luck. Like many I have limited time each day to play, and far too often my hour or two a day won’t even get me into a ship once. I am an absolute fan boi with $7k invested in game over the last 3 years. But my patience is starting to wither. I’m likely to take a break for a year or two soon, like many, and for CIG this means my investment stops during that period too. They need to get some perspective on priorities. None of us want anything new now - please stop on engineering, bases etc until the game is stable and all ships are bought up to scratch.
its unplayable. Takes 10 min to load and then cant get up from bed.
Tried at various times throughout the day (not prime time)
What kinda storage do you have?
With a lot of the issues being re-occurring, hopefully it will just take a few more runs at the code. If CIG can just make a breakthrough with the problems that keep popping up then the game will be fine
Couldn't do a single mission last night, tried for 4 hrs. Couldn't get out of the hanger, the doors would open but a wall blocks you from leaving, it ate my ship, was disgusted by the time I quit.... Also, with the new patch I lost Ship weapons and components, the ship weapons cost over 120k each so expensive to replace...
I considered it an amazing feat last time I played that I got out of bed, made it to the lobby, got into a hanger, loaded stuff on my ship, made it to the orbital station, got in a hanger and landed safely, used the elevator and made it to set a new regen. Something that at each step of this I had previously failed to achieve in the last week.
FOR ALL THE PEOPLE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING IN: I've switched to logging out at places like High Course and Green Glade stations and I've been logging in ever since extremely consistently and very quickly. As soon as I got away from major landing zones and stations, everything got better.
I'm convinced CIG has spent the past few years going balls deep in DEI hires. What a fucking mess.
I couldn’t access a single elevator in Ruin station when I played 4.0.1. Was able to call ATC and get a hanger but the elevator up to the lobby never worked in a 2 hour period. Tried the landing pads and same issue…
Some may not know how to access the hot fix builds. I updated to it and did the second update to the hotfix and aside from the CFP salvage missions spawning in unreachable areas the rest of the gameplay was fine this morning.
I did a hauling run yesterday with pick up at Everus Harbor and two drop offs on Hurston. Upon returning to Everus Harbor, i attempted to store my ship but the ASOP terminal indicated it had been impounded even though it wasn't. So in order for me to store my ship, i had to pay the 50,000 aEU fine. So basically i didn't make any money on that run. what a joke of a game.
That's been happening to me on every move I make..use terminal, ship eaten by hangar, pay insane claim. Use inventory, repeat. This wipe started me with $5k after everything I had done.. how am I supposed to start square one with $5k when nothing works. Joke
Playable missions are a must, I like events here and there, but the save stanton I completely ignored. As for wipes, I prefer if things persist as I don't play often and it takes quite a while for me to gain rep and gear. If the wipe would be couple times a year I wouldn't bother playing at all. I plan to test 4.0.1 during weekend so I wonder how bad it will be
The wildest thing (and most frustrating) is the elevators, ASOP terminals and hangars bugging out. A space game, about flying spaceships, and the key elements that are necessary to get your spaceship into space seem to fail in epic fashion with each patch.
I play in a small comunity - I got in to 4.0.1. at least of 3 people had an infinite loading screen. Few more wore stuck on character creation. I was lucky, many others did not :( On the other hand: At least 3 times Hab elevator did not arrive. Twice after calling the ship with the exterior ASOP terminal - the ship spawned under the elevator, and is considered as Destroyed - it is NOT, It is right there!. The transit system is the major problem of killing fun and the will to play. I arrive at some station, ask for hangar, fly to it on the other side of the station - as I arrive, it starts to close, seems like I get the hangar for less then 20sec :(
As someone who was planet-trapped for over a week on 4.0 during the holidays, being able to play at all is a huge thing. I like the vision, I like the game, its something I've financially supported for years now because I believe its going to be cool. It is cool now, even - when it works. But there are days I look at that "money spent" and go "What else could I have gotten instead?"
Just logged off. Played mostly fine for me. Did a bunker mission Olli style. Then flew back to Seraphim, picked up some cargo and delivered it to Orison. Biggest problem was the bodies I grabbed from the bunker to loot disappeared from my Zeus ES cargo bay. I planned to loot them in my hangar at Seraphim, but they were "gone". When I went to load the cargo the grid seemed to be broken because they boxes wouldn't snap to in a strip on the left. Then I managed to pick up a invisible body with the tractor beam. All the bodies had become invisible. I would get the "loot" icon and could open their inventory, but the inventory was empty. I unloaded all the bodies and made sure they weren't on the landing pad or in the freight elevator so that those wouldn't break. They might have entered that state when I entered the instanced hangar.
Lastly, Terrada is being dramatic. CIG didn't leave us with a unplayable patch because they left us with the 3.24.3 playable patch.
When I first launched 4.0.1 live, I had an *excellent* experience. Some of the most stable gameplay I've ever had in SC. Today, tried to get back on to continue salvaging - was plagued with transit bugs and elevator bugs that led to me being unable to get to a hangar, across multiple shards.
I've been playing for only about 5 years now that I think about it, pledging about two years ago but honestly while I stay cautiously optimistic I think some of the biggest grievances I have with CIG is how they prioritize sales and monetization heavily over just getting the game working. I had a good time on the PTU and was slightly excited for 4.01 live, then I saw they decided they wanted to do a FreeFly and ship sale event at the same time and all hope when out the window. Personally I get tired when I want to get on just to fly around or do a quick few missions just for me to get stuck in an elevator again like I have for years, I can only imagine how people who have been backing for over a decade feel like.
After being hyped for server meshing for years, I haven't even bothered with alpha 4. Here's why:
-terrible flight model that has gotten worse over the years
-terrible quality issues with every build
-barely any good gameloops besides hauling and mining
Get your shit together CIG.
The problem here is things were always going to get worse before they get better. Server meshing, increased player counts, were always going to be major technical challenges and getting it all to the place it needs to be for 1.0 is likely to be more technically challenging than anything CIG has done so far. Yet it comes precisely at a time when players are very, very ready for an end to bugs and just want to play a game that works. Player expectation and development reality are now at opposite ends of the spectrum and it feels like if CIG want to keep players onboard then they really need a better communication plan and release process than they've had to date. Pushing 4.0.1 to Live instead of the Preview Build, being a prime example of their failure to get the process right.
I feel if code writers put more work in.. write extra codes for "if an elevator doesn't spawn for player X the the elevator resets and re-renders" or "if a ship spawns but is below the elevator the vehicle is immediately safely stored and spawned again". write code that catches bugs and corrects them. "If the inventory doesn't open when you press the I key it will instantly refresh and load your inventory" or "if a terminal or elevator is not able to be interacted with it refreshes instantly rather than wait for a 30k or server reset". just need clever coders to write self correcting codes and codes that check self status of terminals/elevators/containers/ships if they can't be interacted with they refresh themselves before interacted with or as soon as highlighted for interaction it checks self status. If they don't do this then we will always be looking to the players to do the work-arounds to make stuff work. Like if you open a container (with items in it) and it says it has infinite space but doesn't show any items, it immediately corrects itself vs making you reopen the container multiple times to get the same results.. this needs done for all elevators and containers and eventually every time you interact with something it acts as intended. I don't write code but I can assist people with it.. its all about asking the right questions to get solutions. Sometimes i cant put helmet on and off with alt+h if i hit alt H and my helmet status doesnt change it should immediately force the change vs me manually taking off my helmet. The work-arounds should depend on code not the players. Whole server can't 30k or whatever everytime these issues come up.
At this point, I feel that the biggest issue with Star Citizen is the fact that the same basic problems have existed for over a decade. Every patch introduces new ships, new features, and definitiely new monetization opportunities for CIG, but the core things that allow people to play the game at all remain broken. A game where you have to take multiple lifts to reach your ship must have lifts that WORK. A game that requires you to call up and launch your ship must have functional hangars that don’t swallow it whole. These aren't minor inconveniences, they are fundamental barriers to even begin testing the rest of the functions in the game.
The excuse of 'it's an alpha' is meaningless when these same problems have been around for years. The problem isn’t that bugs exist, we all know and accept that as the reality of SC. It’s that progress on fixing them feels nonexistent, while the focus remains demonstrably on selling more ships, for the price of several NEW games where whole fleets of ships are available. Eventually, people get tired of fighting the game just to experience it. When that fatigue sets in, no amount of new ships or promises will keep them around.
I’m not here to attack anyone. I know people have different perspectives on this, but this is an opinion shared by many in the community, and its one that CIG doesn’t seem to listen to or take seriously.