I Made a Scratch Game without Code

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  • Yes everyone, I'm going to be making a video game WITHOUT ANY CODE.
    actually, heh, its a little more than that. I can't use WHEN GREEN FLAG CLICKED, the most used block. and If Then, it's going to get CRAZZZY.
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  • @petis1477
    @petis1477 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    -Just make an illusion
    -No
    -*uses code*
    -Me:???

    • @aadyncummings3970
      @aadyncummings3970 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      yea like ????

    • @ollithemilkman
      @ollithemilkman ปีที่แล้ว +2

      legit like what does he mean

    • @LoLv28221
      @LoLv28221 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      erm he actually he said that he cant use specific blocks🤓👆

    • @petis1477
      @petis1477 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@LoLv28221 doesn't change the title of the video

    • @LoLv28221
      @LoLv28221 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@petis1477 *well idk why he didnt change it*

  • @Boltthe410
    @Boltthe410 ปีที่แล้ว +139

    We need a tier list based on the most useful blocks to the least useful.... Or the block people use alot and the block people don't or barely use at all.

    • @choco-person
      @choco-person ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I dont think anyone is using the volume variable show in their code so 🤔

    • @cootleg
      @cootleg ปีที่แล้ว +7

      people arent using if on edge, bounce

    • @Fidumo
      @Fidumo ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@cootleg ive used it recently in like 3 of my projects, its useful if u wanna want to make ur sprite turn around when touching the edge and u dont feel like making it urself

    • @madison-3325
      @madison-3325 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wait until is useless because you could just do repeat until and make it repeat nothing.

    • @siyahseeker
      @siyahseeker ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@cootleg unless for boss battles that move across and turn around when hitting the edge.

  • @Blue-gy2it
    @Blue-gy2it ปีที่แล้ว +55

    How to do a forever loop in the situation:
    Make a custom block called “forever” then add the stuff you want in it, then the LAST block is the same “forever” custom block and it’ll continue.

    • @jorrynchui
      @jorrynchui ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Also a When I receive (message) block and a broadcast (message) loop works too

    • @diamondcat705
      @diamondcat705 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Just make sure you don’t make that block run without screen refresh

    • @krasistefanovlol
      @krasistefanovlol ปีที่แล้ว

      use a repeat and set it to like 9999

    • @diamondcat705
      @diamondcat705 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@krasistefanovlol it will end because 9999 frames for a game is not enough

    • @Fr3nchToast.
      @Fr3nchToast. ปีที่แล้ว +1

      or just “repeat until 0=1”

  • @JacksonAcademy1
    @JacksonAcademy1  ปีที่แล้ว +178

    I thought the cloud highscore wouldn't work because I'm a new scratcher. but i does! GUESS I HACKED SCRATCH!!!

    • @Scratch3.0Tutorials
      @Scratch3.0Tutorials ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You are a scratcher

    • @amcmaster4
      @amcmaster4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      it does not i does

    • @goldbearproductions
      @goldbearproductions ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If new scratcher = true then
      No cloud variables allowed
      THIS GOES AGAINST MY CODE

    • @MauventuresMaurio
      @MauventuresMaurio ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There are some games called tower defense in scratch
      And I know these types of games of tower defense
      (you should make a scratch tower defense game)

    • @Kattaku
      @Kattaku ปีที่แล้ว

      Your a "schacker"

  • @ItBeJC
    @ItBeJC ปีที่แล้ว +57

    For a "forever" loop you could've just used 'repeat until 1 = 0"
    Also, maybe add a "set pitch effect to pick random 0 - 100" block for when the player hits the green platform.

    • @jumpwithkarl
      @jumpwithkarl ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I am pretty sure you can just use a repeat until loop without a condition and it will still act as a forever loop

    • @RonicTheEgg
      @RonicTheEgg ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jumpwithkarl that's true

    • @RedstoneRuler
      @RedstoneRuler ปีที่แล้ว

      He literally did that in the video

    • @RonicTheEgg
      @RonicTheEgg ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RedstoneRuler no he didn't

    • @RedstoneRuler
      @RedstoneRuler ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RonicTheEgg Well, yes, he didn't quite do that, but he still used a repeat block.

  • @RonicTheEgg
    @RonicTheEgg ปีที่แล้ว +79

    I told Jackson about the moai emoji and now he is obsessed with it 🗿

  • @allthingstolearn6212
    @allthingstolearn6212 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    The repeat block can take an input of Infinity if given by a join block

    • @BestBoi8
      @BestBoi8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      you can also use a variable, then make the variables data "Infinity" this also works with the color block to make things grayscale for some reason?

    • @xBZZZZyt
      @xBZZZZyt ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1 / 0 = Infinity

    • @Scratch3.0Tutorials
      @Scratch3.0Tutorials ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@xBZZZZyt I thought that as well

    • @tukankasemamorn8539
      @tukankasemamorn8539 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      True -pro

    • @notwithouttext
      @notwithouttext ปีที่แล้ว +1

      repeat until ((1 + 1) = 3)

  • @JonaNL
    @JonaNL 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    u still use code

    • @MistyGT392
      @MistyGT392 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      0:22

    • @TH3_INFID3L
      @TH3_INFID3L 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      🗿

  • @TheMaxGuy
    @TheMaxGuy ปีที่แล้ว +10

    there are workarounds for all of these
    green flag clicked - timer > 0
    forever - custom block with the custom block at the end of it (recursive loop) or repeat until
    hide - set ghost effect to 100
    show - set ghost effect to 0 (or whatever ghost value the sprite is at
    wait - repeat loop with nothing inside
    turn - point in direction (direction) +/- (value)
    if - wait until

    • @321phil1
      @321phil1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      everything right but the If command not, it makes it stops the current script until the wait command ends

  • @jemmabeman8365
    @jemmabeman8365 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    You could do this for forever
    Make a variable
    Set that variable to "Infinity"
    Put your variable on a repeat block

  • @gabbylowes6785
    @gabbylowes6785 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Scratch but you can only use every block once

    • @JacksonAcademy1
      @JacksonAcademy1  ปีที่แล้ว

      good idea

    • @notwithouttext
      @notwithouttext ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JacksonAcademy1 scratch but you can ONLY use these blocks

    • @jhv9886
      @jhv9886 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@notwithouttext bad idea

  • @darkdemongamer_1685
    @darkdemongamer_1685 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    try and make a game without broadcasts custom blocks or variables see how far that gets you

    • @thatonebozo42069
      @thatonebozo42069 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seems kind of easy but idk

    • @darkdemongamer_1685
      @darkdemongamer_1685 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thatonebozo42069 oh don't worry it's hard because literally every project has those blocks

    • @joelhoon1707
      @joelhoon1707 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would imagine making a simple pong game would be pretty easy and still work with these limitations. Even with a score counter using a sprite with costumes of the numbers 0 to 10 and sensing to see if the ball's X position is past or below a certain point, then changing to go to the next costume and waiting 1 second. The ball can also just wait around 0.1 seconds after going past certain points before going to the middle and waiting 1 second.

  • @havenshaw7856
    @havenshaw7856 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jackson Academy: This is so easy why didn’t I Remove More Sprites?
    Also Jackson Academy: 7:05

  • @Chloedasher
    @Chloedasher ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Me who knows you can use the
    "When [timer v] > ()" block to make custom when conditions

  • @dum8020
    @dum8020 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    you are a legend. new subscriber

  • @Myballz-dj2ji
    @Myballz-dj2ji ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That chord sounded like the: Do you want a break from the ads?

  • @just_mr_mikl
    @just_mr_mikl ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i know how to get around your limitations (since you already figured out how to do green flag without green flag):
    "forever;" becomes "set [var a] to (1); repeat until ;", so long as (var a) never changes, it will continue to run to no end.
    "wait (x) seconds;" becomes "repeat ((x) / (30)); point in direction (direction);". x is the amount of seconds you wait.
    "hide;" and "show;" become "set [ghost] effect to (100);" and "set [ghost] effect to (0);", respectively.
    "turn cw (x) degrees;" and "turn ccw (x) degrees;" merely turn into "set direction to ((direction) + (x));" and "set direction to ((direction) - (x));", also respectively.
    now, the hard part here is going to be "if then;", because it's functionally identical to "if then; else;", except "if then; else;" only runs the blocks in the lower grouping whatever if the boolean value provided is false. i'm not sure if you're letting yourself use "if then; else;" also. you probably aren't. although you might find "repeat until ;" and "wait until " very useful, if you want to have something do something or do nothing until something is true.
    anyways, thanks for your time reading this comment, and say goodbye to restrictions.

    • @thenikita2422
      @thenikita2422 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      for if you can use repeat times. since condition is boolean, and when converted into int, it returns 0 or 1, it'l repeat code 1 time if true, and 0 times if false.

    • @acertifiedsomeone
      @acertifiedsomeone 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      um

  • @Husky_plays2013
    @Husky_plays2013 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was eating an orange
    Him:gets an orange as a ball
    Me:GIVE IT BACK!!!

  • @rediction_9740
    @rediction_9740 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:16 the nerdface made me dying

  • @acedehto6289
    @acedehto6289 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:55 repeat until work as a good alternative to the forever loop

  • @xBZZZZyt
    @xBZZZZyt ปีที่แล้ว +8

    07:14 I think you can use repeat instead of if because false = 0 and true = 1

  • @Jerraf2p0
    @Jerraf2p0 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    UNRELATED TIP: The Windows 11 wallpapers are located in C:\Windows\Web

  • @slicedbread_yt
    @slicedbread_yt 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    would the repeat loop act as a forever loop if you set the parameter to Infinity with capital i?

  • @redpigster1023
    @redpigster1023 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wasn't screaming. **MY BRAIN WAS MELTING!**

  • @mrqwerty567
    @mrqwerty567 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you can also use the "when key pressed" block

  • @SuperGD501
    @SuperGD501 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "I Made a Scratch Game without Code" *Uses code*

  • @Goofthefrog
    @Goofthefrog ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Alt name: making a video game on scratch without code

  • @RemiRionnet
    @RemiRionnet ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I thought in order to make a repeat forever you would need to put a "repeat until 1 = 2" or something like that lol

  • @cheeseburgerinvr
    @cheeseburgerinvr ปีที่แล้ว +7

    holy moly i got into the video
    thanks jackson!
    edit: weve been ripped off!

  • @DemonicMeWasHere
    @DemonicMeWasHere 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:10 you can. Just do wait until with and blocks so it checks if all 3 are true.

  • @wer...-.....-..-....
    @wer...-.....-..-.... ปีที่แล้ว

    for hide and show u can use set ghost effect and also go to front or back layer

  • @sourdoggy
    @sourdoggy ปีที่แล้ว

    Play button: allow me to intruduce myself

  • @The_octogamer
    @The_octogamer ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Video idea: scratch with a limited amount of blocks

    • @kariedwards6186
      @kariedwards6186 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol

    • @aadyncummings3970
      @aadyncummings3970 ปีที่แล้ว

      dude like... thats what he is doing

    • @The_octogamer
      @The_octogamer ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@aadyncummings3970 not the same my idea is like u can use whatever block u want but u can only use a certain amount

  • @hamburger_eatspie
    @hamburger_eatspie ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:36 wait, but I thought you can't use when green flag clicked

  • @mitchkiggins9661
    @mitchkiggins9661 ปีที่แล้ว

    wait 1 seconds is just repeat 30 with noting inside (if it is not 1, then use your seconds you want, then put a *30 around the seconds

  • @purroxgd
    @purroxgd ปีที่แล้ว

    now rename it to I Made a Video Game in Scratch without "Green Flag Clicked, Turn 15 Degrees, Forever, If Then, Wait, Hide, Show"

  • @realcontentgamer
    @realcontentgamer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wait there are cloud-stored variables now? I haven't used Scratch for like 5 years...

    • @JacksonAcademy1
      @JacksonAcademy1  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      server side? scratch doesn't have server varialbe, do you mean cloud variables?

    • @realcontentgamer
      @realcontentgamer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @JacksonAcademy1 I mean.. aren't they the same, oh wait I'm dumb. Cloud stores DATA while the server side is some nonsense script for the client to send post requests to. Sorry.

    • @JacksonAcademy1
      @JacksonAcademy1  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lol that's okay, unity has server side variables though, so I know what you mean in general

  • @qatary800
    @qatary800 ปีที่แล้ว

    "making a scratch game without code"
    Him: uses block codes
    Me: what the f-

  • @margaret233
    @margaret233 ปีที่แล้ว

    Use a broadcast for green flag, make a hide and show costum for hide and show, repeat for an impossible amount of time for forever, use if else for if and wait until for wait

  • @1Mykey
    @1Mykey ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the title is like writing but with no letters

  • @Robotop
    @Robotop ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the forever block could be replaced with “repeat until not 1st letter of apple = a” or something along those lines

  • @purrsahfef3526
    @purrsahfef3526 ปีที่แล้ว

    THAT TIMER EVENT BLOCK DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE VIDEO!!!!!!

  • @sebastiansgalaxy4810
    @sebastiansgalaxy4810 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why did you not use if else for if but with leaving the else blank?

  • @Rando_Drago
    @Rando_Drago ปีที่แล้ว

    the turn is the simplest. point in direction; direction+1

  • @plutopawzz
    @plutopawzz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you can make another hide and show block by using the effect block, setting the effect to ghost, and if you want to hide it, set the input to 100. if you want to show it, set the input to 0

    • @theREALsilviautism
      @theREALsilviautism ปีที่แล้ว +1

      that's not a perfect solution tho, since setting the ghost effect to 100 still makes it so touching blocks work, while if you hide something it stops that entirely

    • @plutopawzz
      @plutopawzz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theREALsilviautism yeah ik, it's just the simplest solution I could think of at the time.

    • @ellayin0406
      @ellayin0406 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@theREALsilviautismthen put it somewhere where you would not touch it/offscreen

    • @theREALsilviautism
      @theREALsilviautism 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ellayin0406 you can't really do that in native scratch without a little bit of creative exploits. scratch has a feature where no sprite can move offscreen if by doing so you couldn't see it anymore.

  • @ThomasthetankengineE2
    @ThomasthetankengineE2 ปีที่แล้ว

    2nd subsitute to the forever loop : a loop + division operator with 1 for first no.and 0 for 2nd no.

    • @ellayin0406
      @ellayin0406 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      3rd:INFINITY

  • @RedCliff1
    @RedCliff1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ‘ wait lemme think ‘
    *the background*
    ‘ Hello! Fellow scratchers ‘

  • @silasellwood9229
    @silasellwood9229 ปีที่แล้ว

    what extensions do you use?

  • @breadisyummy_
    @breadisyummy_ ปีที่แล้ว

    “Can’t use forever”
    Me: Repeat until (1=2)

  • @darkspectraldagod6265
    @darkspectraldagod6265 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pov: you saw the game before the video came out

  • @hourglass2230
    @hourglass2230 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You could've done "Repeat Until" without putting a Sensing block in there.

    • @deadbrav
      @deadbrav ปีที่แล้ว

      that's what he did

  • @RedCliff1
    @RedCliff1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    him: making a math equation to move
    the if key pressed event block:

  • @aneurisbido9057
    @aneurisbido9057 หลายเดือนก่อน

    for the orange get a repeat block of them so put change -10

  • @do-not-make-this-a-bot-acc
    @do-not-make-this-a-bot-acc ปีที่แล้ว

    It's just simply easy you just replace the green flag block as when timer is 0 block

  • @indumina2023
    @indumina2023 ปีที่แล้ว

    HAPPY NEW YEAR 2023

  • @PerfectionReincarnated
    @PerfectionReincarnated 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Title: Scratch without coding
    What it actually is: Scratch without the Important blocks

  • @Plasticgorgon10-td5th
    @Plasticgorgon10-td5th 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For a forever block you could repeat for a variable then in the repeat loop change the variable by one😮

  • @barhoum_gaming4755
    @barhoum_gaming4755 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hey theres a way to make a forver 2 ways 1.use a repeat untill nothing 2. repeat 1/0 since it equals inf

  • @AThingProbably
    @AThingProbably 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "Um, Actually- if you use binary it's considered code, and if your computer works then that means you already broke the rule." - Me, Whenever I made this.

  • @dachi1883
    @dachi1883 ปีที่แล้ว

    "when I receive message1","broadcast message1",="forever:....."

  • @areeanimteeaz9258
    @areeanimteeaz9258 ปีที่แล้ว

    him: moai
    actual spelling: moyai 🗿

  • @alimicro812
    @alimicro812 ปีที่แล้ว

    if you press d and left arrow or a and right arrow, you go 2x speed

  • @coolguygaming5882
    @coolguygaming5882 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For the forever block,use a repeat until block and dont use anything inside the Boolean

  • @pillowstatic
    @pillowstatic ปีที่แล้ว

    jit trippin' 7:10 🤣 bruh

  • @pixelapix7
    @pixelapix7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I thought he was gonna do it without ANY CODE 💀

  • @funwithemanuel6935
    @funwithemanuel6935 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For the repeat block you could have used the repeat until block.

  • @Cool_monkey42069
    @Cool_monkey42069 ปีที่แล้ว

    How did you make the timer if you didn’t when green flag clicked or wait 1 sec

  • @chaykid
    @chaykid ปีที่แล้ว

    you used the "turn ( ) degrees" block 1 time and "if < >" block 7 times and you used "wait ( ) seconds" block 1 time

  • @anjumsabah9896
    @anjumsabah9896 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Man I love this guy 😊❤❤

  • @jonasheikkila8204
    @jonasheikkila8204 ปีที่แล้ว

    for a forever loop you just need to brodcast a thing then brodcast it again when it gets the brodcast

  • @Nico_plays12340
    @Nico_plays12340 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The title says he wouldn’t use any code. He’s using code right now.

  • @matthewr.8114
    @matthewr.8114 ปีที่แล้ว

    for the show or hide blocks u can just use ghost effect lol

  • @lonely_0fficial
    @lonely_0fficial ปีที่แล้ว

    without using green flag clicked? ez! when space clicked.

  • @sarar481
    @sarar481 ปีที่แล้ว

    You need a green flag with liuson and a forever block also with liuson thats how you do it

  • @GAMERZGAME1
    @GAMERZGAME1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I literally never use when flag clicked ???

  • @monkegt538
    @monkegt538 ปีที่แล้ว

    "when green flag clicked set size to 200"
    him: *Realizing he cant use code after 5 seconds

  • @Tr3e_Hugg3r
    @Tr3e_Hugg3r ปีที่แล้ว

    Dare: make a game without using same block twice

  • @peej10do91
    @peej10do91 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:51 That's if else. Not if. It's still valid.

  • @tofudaturtle271
    @tofudaturtle271 ปีที่แล้ว

    the fact of him getting 🍊is funny

  • @ainecarthy6772
    @ainecarthy6772 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey can u do a video where u pick tree random games and combine them?

  • @Michael.Ivandry
    @Michael.Ivandry ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Try this Challange , Don't use Create Clone of my Self Can You?????

  • @almondaxis9872
    @almondaxis9872 ปีที่แล้ว

    YEEEEEES THAT IS THE TRUE POWER OF SCRATCHERS

  • @spencerkesner
    @spencerkesner ปีที่แล้ว +1

    he instantly made the green flag?! without green flag
    he so pro

  • @MauventuresMaurio
    @MauventuresMaurio ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOW WHAT?!

  • @LevitationMaster
    @LevitationMaster ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m not joking but back in year 2 we used our old school iPad 1s to create games with scratch (jr) and they avoided using the Green flag at all costs until year 3 when we could use the real scratch

  • @pigoisgoodoc
    @pigoisgoodoc ปีที่แล้ว

    07:57 Scrubscirbe guys!

  • @Xayles_
    @Xayles_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    repeat until nothing is leaving the chat

  • @matthewattah470
    @matthewattah470 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can use when space pressed

  • @meamyr
    @meamyr ปีที่แล้ว

    but you can just replace all green flag by when timer>0, turn gradus lcan replace rotate at rotation+x hide/show blank costume wait replace value thant forever get +0.1 forever you can replaced by custome block than activate himself if then you can replace by wait until(sorry for my bad engish)

    • @ellayin0406
      @ellayin0406 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Rotation can use variables, because we have the handy point towards () block!

  • @aloisduvoye5711
    @aloisduvoye5711 ปีที่แล้ว

    To create a forever loop , create a message that auto triggered himself

  • @hwm121
    @hwm121 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now make a game but you can't change the blocks, for example you got a wait 1 second. You can't change it to a different time

  • @dhruvsripuram9988
    @dhruvsripuram9988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For a forever loop just do repeat until blank.

  • @RonicTheEgg
    @RonicTheEgg ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now make a video where you make flappy bird without variables 😎

  • @XethIsDefinitelyCool
    @XethIsDefinitelyCool ปีที่แล้ว +1

    his keyboard 😭😭😭😭

  • @Sodz1ax
    @Sodz1ax ปีที่แล้ว

    ey yo how can i make it check when variable is +1 i can't handle it

  • @enderdraws9137
    @enderdraws9137 ปีที่แล้ว

    if you need a forever loop im not fully in to the video but uee a repeat until block

  • @williamgaehl7930
    @williamgaehl7930 ปีที่แล้ว

    AAAAAAAAAAAAA you used IF *BLEEP* THEN
    him: oh crap-

  • @galactic800
    @galactic800 ปีที่แล้ว

    Next vid: Making a game without using any code blocks in scratch and also no normal programming such as python, java, c#,etc

  • @TheFourthTower
    @TheFourthTower ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I did that too like 3 times

  • @Kurczaq
    @Kurczaq วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro why you didn't use the while block bro, someone said that is the same as "If then" but the name is changed... Well name also matters, so i will repeat, why you didn't use that?