Is Roxas Sora's nobody or Ventus' heartless?
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- Is Roxas Sora's nobody or Ventus' heartless?
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They're all fucking Sora. Even Kairi is Sora.
Sora is to Kingdom Hearts as Super Saiyan is to Dragon Ball - everyone is one! I'm Sora! You're Sora! That asshole you passed on the motorway who threw his unfinished milkshake at your car for not picking him up is Sora!
Everyone is Sora, and anyone who isn't is Xehanort
I’m Sora, you’re Sora. We’re ALL SORA
True! Xion is Sora too
Charri5 said it best: THE F*CK IS A SORA
Theres a guy, inside a guy, and half of each is removed and makes another guy.
😂simplesr summary yet
This is so wrong without context
And this still isn't even the gayest thing about Kingdom Hearts, because Riku and Sora's gayblade exists lmao
Honestly. Not inaccurate.
Funny that i understand this more than the video😂
What I love about Kingdom Hearts is how straightforward and easy to understand it is. It's really... _Simple and clean._
Hehe if you play the games in reverse order it's simpler to understand. The thing that really trips people up is not being able to tell what's an inuniverse lie. Normoura deliberately wrote it to have everyone believe one conclusion with JUST enough room to make a valid different conclusion later on. Hence all the org members coming back to life as their regular selves and pretty much confessing "Yeah Nobodies never existed... it was all a lie by Xemnas to get us to do his bidding." We were mostly killing replicas, but when the replicas were killed, the originals got thier memories back and woke up.
Hehe it's like a puzzle though, but it's fun to straighten it out and realize it actually IS simple and clean in the end.
@@MarioMastarEhh, it’s pretty clear Nomura didn’t know where he was going with the overarching plot half the time, and wrote himself into a corner, which forced his hand to create retcons.
Easy to understand, impossible to explain.
@@ChocomunchieThe only part that stood out to me as "completely hack writing" was the sigil in DDD.
WHEN YOU WALK A-WAY
Roxas: "I'm already part Ventus."
*Camera zoom at his eye.*
DATS NUHTS!
"I'm already part Mickey."
Zoom in on Safer-Sephiroth's left ear.
@@biggrayalien4791stapphh
Xigbar reference is crazy-
Yeah, in Kingdom Hearts 3, both Ven and Roxas are stock seeing themselves as a mirror and both voice by Jesse McCarthy?
Actually... it is a little more complex than that.
You see, when Sora released Kairi's heart from his, he also released Ventus's heart too. When he did this though, Ventus's heart had nowhere to go. So instead, when Sora's nobody was created, Ventus's heart found his way to Sora's nobody.
Further more, a nobody actually does not take a form until it reclaims memories from its body, hence why strong Nobodies like Axel and Saïx have the forms they do.
However, with the presence of Ventus, this would cause Roxas to form into the likeness of Ventus.
BUT! Because the Organization was meddling in the affairs of Sora, Kairi, Riku and Roxas, they actually created an Artificial Vessel that could house the memories of Sora while Sora was in stasis, thus creating an Artificial Nobody named Xion in the likeness of Kairi, as the memories forged into her was only those of Kairi. However, when Xion began absorbing the memories connected to Roxas, she then actually did take on the likeness of Sora, thus technically becoming Sora's Nobody.
This is important, because this caused Roxas to begin to shut down as he was quickly losing his connection to Sora, and would soon no longer be his Nobody... but because he is still a Nobody that already had a Heart, albeit a fragmented heart, he was quickly becoming a Nobody for Ventus instead.
So yes, while he is Sora's Nobody, he is in a way, also Ventus's Nobody, even if Ventus's Body was within Castle Oblivion.
As I’ve said before and shall say again: “Star Wars is not that complicated when you have GAMING STORY SPAGHETTI!”
Seriously though, what most stories would leave at as simple an answer as possible for time’s sake, Kingdom Hearts leaves the need for a fucking wall of text. And though I love it, it does make my head spin sometimes.
Also Sora is his own heartless which is why we have those dark forms in Kingdom Hearts 2 and 3
Thank you for helping me understand why Roxas looks like Ventis also I didn’t read your entire comment I just read until it said Ventis went into Roxas
So basically…
Sora‘s Nobody is Roxas. Roxas technically isn’t because he wasn’t made like other Nobodies.
It’s technically Xion ‘cause whoever gets memories becomes Nobody. (Memories came to Xion because of XIII)
Roxas is Sora Nobody that didn’t get Sora memories but instead got Ventus’ heart and face.
That’s why Roxas is Sora’s Nobody but can’t remember anything about Sora.
@@ethannguyen4015he did have sora memories as well but the more he was around Xion the more she absorbed sora memories from Roxas the dreams to as had during 358/2 days and kh2 was sora memories
Actually, Sora’s nobody was supposed to look like Sora, but when Ventus was separated from Sora in hollow bastion, Ventus’ heart didn’t know what to do because his original body was locked in a deep slumber so he went into Sora’s nobody which made Roxas look like Ventus
Edit: A Year later. My most popular comment ever and most of the comments is everyone not agreeing with each other
I don’t think it was a lack of understanding but more he was connected to Sora, so he took refuge in Sora’s lost body.
My source: trust me bro
@@oliz5063 my source is that Nomura made it the fuck up
Probably the closest explanation we'll ever get for what happened to Ventus's heart when Sora released the hearts inside him
@@krabman2889 I mean that's why it's not a thing in KH1 yes but Ventus sleeping in the Chamber of Waking was established in KH2 Final Mix which leads me to believe he at least conceptualized the idea during KH2's development
'Not too complicated' 😂 the entire KH story , as a fan
This is one of those things that makes sense as long as you're paying attention to the end of BBS. Roxas looks like Ventus for the same reason Vanitas looks like Sora, and Ventus' body was left in the Chamber of Waking.
Yeah, the only small change being that vanitas is yolked for some reason while everyone else has string bean arms.
@@TipToey That would be his negative emotions turning into fucking gains. Oh, and the Unversed too, I guess.
@@TipToeylol, someone is hitting the gym
Vanitas looking like an older sora makes no sense to be honest
I think vanitas even explains it in kh3 that because ventus and sora have the connection they do, the "darknesses" within them take the form of the other
Ventus: Roxas, i am your father!
Roxas: I am me. I am Roxas!
"Im me" he says
I can’t tell whether I love or hate the story of Kingdom Hearts.
@@kulekid6917 lmao i love that line
Look Nomaru has discussed this in interviews. He comments Ventus heart “stayed with” Roxas (aka Sora body) which is why Roxas had the Keyblade and the same appearance as Ventus.
this is extra true given that we now know that Nobodies form surrogate hearts that over time become their own. However, this doesn't mean they're comeplete people still as the pieces don't match. It's only when Roxas is given a body of his own too, that he can be comepleted.
Ventus's heart never went into Roxas. It was so damaged it would've been impossible
@@randomboys1000 it’s phrased weirdly but Nomaru said Ventus heart “stayed” with Roxas. Roxas is Sora old body (while Sora heat was expelled to become the heartless and then human form) so Ventus heart didn’t go anyway it just just was temporary “away” from Sora till kh2 when they rejoined
The problem isn’t what actually happens but the series routinely changing what their concepts mean. Sora got his body back. Obviously. There should never have been a Roxas if ‘Nobody’ means your body without its heart. Nobodies aren’t new people. They aren’t “created”. They’re reduced.
@@stevendouglas3781 look it’s a video game series. The rules are flexible, the best way to think of Sora in kh1 and kh2 after Roxas was born is “humanoid Heartless with a Keyblade”. Then he become “whole” when Roxas came back to him. Then he assimilated and sheltered Ventus, Xion and Roxas hearts till they each got released in KH3.
Nomura: "So that's what i came up with on Tuesday."
"so anyway here's how Riku got pregnant with Xemnas' cousin"
not too complicated, Vanitas and Sora lookilke, Xion looks like Kairi. Unless People can flow into Sora’s heart its a dna lab to clone new same ppl
Vanitas looks like sora because he is the piece of Ventus taken away, and Sora is the piece Ventus needs to be whole.
Xion looks like Kairi because she is a puppet, Kairi being Sora's key memory, Xion also being the one slowly draining the memories and powers from Sora and Roxas, looks like Kairi, eventually looking like Sora as she almost has everything from Sora
@@Psycho_PsyI get it… but man is that the most confusing thing I’ve ever read 😭 been a fan since it came out, played about 6 games in the story line, I just can’t wrap my head around it😂
@@Nokomomo22 heheh... this is why you need to play/watch the game to even wrack your brain behind it
“not too complicated,”
still makes so sense haha been a KH fan since 2005
To dumb it down further. Since ventus is apart of soras heart when he become a heartless, roxas took on his look since there hearts are connected. From my understanding this is by chance.
@@mathu2003and to add onto this once xion was created by kairi memories and she was introduced to roxas she slowly started to absorb soras memories which lead to roxas slowly “dying” (losing his connection to sora) which is what kept him living and since he was connected to soras memories but since has a fraction of ventus’s heart in him he technically becomes ventus nobody just without the memories since ventus original body is locked up and so is his mind so he never gets ventus memory
. i hope this makes sense!! i tried not to over complicate it and explain the best way i can with how i see it
@@mathu2003you missed the joke
@@thicctiger456 no xion is made from Sora's memories of kairi. Xion comes from Sora. That's why she was able absorb roxas powers and the reason why she took on ventus appearance in wonderland. Essentially, Sora,Roxas,Xion, Ventus, and Vanitas are all siblings that defined one another
Really the storyline isn’t hard to follow it’s just that u need to pay attention to it otherwise u will get lost
It was confirmed by Nomura that Roxas is Sora’s nobody. He stated that Roxas looks like Ven because he’s in Sora. But that was it. He stated that Roxas is his own separate person and has nothing to do with Ven other than resemblance.
Yeah, it's more accurate to not call them "Nobodies" and start calling them "Replicas", cause that's more accurate to what they really are, as proven in KH3 where after Repliku is defeated, Dark Riku takes the replica away to recreate Roxas and give him his body back.
the whole "Nobody" thing was a lie made up by Xemnas to get the other org members onboard with his plot. but several of them comment that they know he's lying, but have no choice but to follow through because of his power, or the desire to see the plan through to meet thier own goals (Marluxia reviving his sister, Axel and Siax saving Kairi/Namine, Vexen simply proving that science can create living beings, etc)
@@MarioMastarno Dark Riku,that is always Repliku, took away the heart from the replica not for Roxas but for Namine
Sora is just such a good guy
Indeed
"You're a nice guy Sora. Why? It's a secret." - Goofy
You can't just say "not too complicated" like that makes it uncomplicated. What the hell?
"not too complicated" doesn't mean that something isn't complicated
@@SrtaElainelike it’s not a simple one word answer but not too complicated like sorts in the middle sort of thing?
@@SrtaElaine I understand, I was more just saying it as a joke. Sarcasm doesn't really translate through text well, so that's my bad. lol
I think the problem with this is that heartless are created from the darkness within someone's heart. And there is no darkness in ventus' heart because vanitus was that darkness from ventus' heart. So if anyone was ventus' heartless it would be vanitus.
Both. He's both. Roxas has soras keyblade and abilities and has combined facial features from Sora and ventus. He even has both of their mannerisms as well.
There’s one problem with that: heartless are the embodiments of darkness of people’s hearts; that wasn’t the case for Ventus-Vanitas was the darkness in Ventus’s heart. If anyone came close to being Ventus’s Heartless, it would technically be Vanitas.
And Vanitas never returned to Ventus after Ven defeated him in BBS, hence why Ven was asleep in Castle Oblivion for over a decade. Ventus’s heart may have been in Sora, but it was Sora’s heart that created Sora’s Heartless and his body was the foundation for the Nobody who would become Roxas. Ventus only influenced Roxas’s appearance and his ability to wield a second keyblade.
Roxas has both sora and ventus abilities, that is why he can dual wield keyblades
Actually Ventus has a body still however his heart is super damaged so it left to heal in Sora instead of dying. Then when Sora offed himself he created a nobody for himself and kairi. Vens heart went into the nobody roxas and instead of turning into Sora it turned into ventus. Nobody’s however do form their own heart after a while as their memories return or as they create meaningful relationships by that method roxas formed his own heart separate from soras since he wasn’t really getting the memories of Sora and he would probably have transformed to look more like him but xion is a thing so she took that role and blabla but roxas did have some memories still so then everyone merged into Sora, thus the meme everyone is either Sora or xehanort
Ventus's heart never went into Roxas 😂 what are you talking about. It was so damaged it would've been impossible
Ventus's heart never went into Roxas 😂 what are you talking about. It was so damaged it would've been impossible. He stayed with Sora the whole time
@@randomboys1000you do realize Roxas is Sora's body right? And that ventus's heart was inside sora's body?
Bro, roxas' story always made me feel some way in my heart. Especially his theme, it's so sad and reminiscent, but on the remix, it's completely different. (When you fight roxas as sora in the place of darkness) While it is sad, it's more like a sad full rage.
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Roxas just wanted to live, but even his actual life was technically fake and based on an actual real world. In that real world, his friends knew *of* him but didn't fully know who he was.
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I'm so glad in KH3 he got an actual physical body, though. I was glad to see he had some sort of happy ending.
If holding ventus’ heart is what causes roxas to look like ventus why doesnt anyone in the real organization look like xehanort
The true org 13 only have pieces of Xehanort's heart. Not the whole thing like Roxas. So they only have the Yellow Eyes.
Yellow eyes
The members of Org 13 didn't get parts of Xehanort's heart until AFTER they were Nobodies, so their appearance wouldn't change, outside of the eyes. That, and they only have small portions, unlike Roxas, who contained most if not all of Ventus' heart, until they both re-merged with Sora.
because they only have a piece of xehanorts heart not the whole thing + every organization member is strong willed and determined to be their own person
@@KitKatNisawtf are you talking about? Roxas never had ventus's heart. It stayed with Sora the entire time. Because it was so damaged it literally had to. He could only be released through the power of waking
Sora kept his own heart when he became a heartless, this is why when he found a connection (kairi) he was able to come back,vens heart went to the body left behind which resulted in Roxas. Funny enough Roxas and Sora share the same face models in KH2 with both having Sora’s brown eyebrows but Roxas having vens hair.
Ventus's heart never left Sora 😂 what are you talking about. It was so damaged it would've been impossible. KH3 showed us he could only be released through the power of waking
@@randomboys1000 technically you’re correct, it didn’t leave Soras body once he became a heartless, but that resulted in an entirely new being, roxas, who had Vens heart within him, hence why he looks like him. When Sora came back from being a heartless is when he’s without vens heart. Only when roxas returns to sora does vens heart make it back to Sora, resulting in both hearts going to sleep
And for you newcomers, if you wanna know the true reason why Roxas and Ventus look the same: Namura thought it would be a good cliffhanger in the secret ending of KH2 to make him look like Roxas. What drives Kingdom Hearts plot is cliffhangers and questions, the reasoning behind them always happens later in the games that they're for
„Not to complicated“ is the best joke about kh I have ever heard
ventus cant have a nobody since his heart no longer has darkness, ie through it's forceful removal. and as stated heartless are born from the darkness in the hearts of man. so with no darkness there can be no heartless.
Kari too yet chain of memories happened
@@dragonkingwishes99 but she still didnt have a heartleess being a being without darkness, and so to was her heart inside of Sora's
So was ven@@TTYDpapermario
VENTUS AS A PLAYABLE CHARACTER WAS REALLY FUN TO PLAY
Roxas is Sora's Nobody, he just LOOKS like Ventus because his heart was in Sora's this whole time
And during the mid-qual games, Sora was captured and his heart and Nobody were separated by Namine. The hearts that were stored in Sora's body eventually formed their own sentient, which is how Roxas and Xion were created (they are echos of his memories).
Then why is Roxas not a Somebody if he already has a body (Sora's) and a heart (Ven's)? And how can he grow heart if there's a heart already inside him?
He never had a heart inside him.. he just laid dormant in Sora with Ventus' body, which is why Roxas looks like Ventus
Dude, Kingdom Hearts spaghetti logic should be a crime.
I’m not sure why anyone would logically think Roxas is Ventus’ heartless. That is expressly not how heartless work.
i think he is both soras nobody and ventus heartless,when sora died he created a nobody and a heartless,the heatrless was the little heartless that kairy transformed into sora and the nobody is roxas,but ventus heart was residing in sora`s body,and when sora died the nobody take the heart of ventus with it,thats why even if someone can only use 1 keyblade roxas can use 2,1 is from roxas and the other is for ventus,and since he has both sora`s body and ventus heart they created a new person
It's crazy to think that, when Roxas visited Castle Oblivion for the first time, it's the only instance before KHIII where he, Sora, and Ventus were all within the same location (unless DiZ and Naminé already moved Sora, Donald, and Goofy to Twilight town, I forgot).
Nobodies are supposed to resemble their human selves with sometimes some changes
But when Ventus connected to Sora as a newborn, it resulted in Vanitas, who had no human face before, have a face resembling Sora’s
In same result, Roxas resulted in having Ventus’ face.
And Naminé while being from Kairi’s spirit and her true Nobody, was partly from Sora’s body, allowing her to gain blonde hair like Roxas and Ventus, and gained power over Sora’s memory and those connected to him
I look at it as Roxas takes the appearance of Ventus but has the memory and "identity" of Sora because Sora makes up the majority of his heart. Where Ventus' heart is only resting there, like in a coma.
I think Ventus’ whole process works very differently. I believe the reason Vanitas was able to be extracted but not be a “Heartless” was because Ventus as per Union X was a carrier for Darkness. And so, rather than being a Heartless, Vanitas becomes a manifestation of Darkness’ previous influence. So Ven really doesn’t follow the common Heartless and Nobody trope other characters follow.
Kind of, that's mostly correct. Vanitas IS that same darkness. Vanitas is darkness, part of the original 13 pure darkness hive mind that developed its own individuality, which was also touched upon in UX. It's not that he manifested into it or became a 14th darkness after the extraction
@@bloodydarn That’s not what I meant when I said “manifestation.” He definitely is one of the 13, not a new Darkness.
I miss when it was just KH1, COM, and KH2-purely because my brain didn’t explode with understanding the sisterhood of the traveling hearts combining into Sora’s LOL
I get that KH can be confusing, but what is it with the fans and trying to make it MORE confusing than it actually is? Roxas is the Nobody created from SORA'S body, but influenced by Ventus' heart. The only heartless created from Sora is the shadow you briefly play as. If anything, the closest thing Ventus has to a heartless would be Vanitas, since he's literally all of the darkness Ventus had (which was a lot, due to stuff in KHUx)
I believe the reason why Roxas looks like Ventus is because when Sora stabbed himself with the keyblade that releases hearts, Sora must have stabbed his heart in a spot where he had Ventus' heart. It would have to be a pretty deep stab to not only reach Kairi's heart, but to stab deep enough to get to Ventus'.
I think more than half of the entire kingdom hearts community thanks you for putting into simple terms the great debate that has been going on for years.
I get that darklings were made around kh3's release but it still bugs me that Sora turns into a shadow heartless and not a darkling heartless
Abstract thought. Maybe its because Sora was using a Keyblade that wasn't his? Technically the Kingdom Key belonged to Riku, but moved to Sora who then was only able to use it because Ven being in his heart. Even the Lingering Will was confused when he saw Sora with the Keyblade because it doesn't belong to him.
Ending a Kingdom Hearts video with 'not too complicated' is brilliant considering the meme of this game being complicated lmaoo
to make it quick, Roxas is Sora's Nobody. You're welcome for saving you time.
Basically what it means is Ventus’s heart went inside Sora and when Sora sacrificed himself to become a heartless releasing Kairi’s heart he created a nobody name Roxas that has the similar appearance of Ventus
Lol not to complicated he says
Yeah it’s not to complicated just use ur brain more
The only thing I understood was why Vanitas who only made After that Ventus split looks like a kid who they never met until the end of the game
It had always been my headcanon that Roxas was actually Ventus' Nobody since Ventus heart resided within sora, but since Ventus' heart has been with Sora for so long his nobody developed a connection with Sora which was why Roxas began to have flashbacks of Sora's past in 358/2 days. Sora is the only character in the series to have multiple hearts residing within him at a given point. In KH 3 he had his heart, Ventus' and Roxas, in KH 1 he just had his heart and Ventus. It made sense to me that Sora's nobody would resemble ventus because Ventus' heart has been residing within sora for I think 10 years since I believe birth by sleep takes place ten years before the events of kh1. I always thought that since Sora was a unique situation he may have had 2 nobodies one for ventus but still having a connection to Sora and one for Sora himself.
I guess that is a wrong belief though.
"Sora is the only character in the series to have multiple hearts residing within him"
Incorrect. Xehanort is the reincarnated "Player" from UX and also had Terra and Eraqus hearts residing within him ever since BBS. Eraqus is a funny one because he resided in Terra who resided in Xehanort making it a heart hiding within a heart already hiding, that "sly dog"
Kairi held Namine heart after bonding at the end of kh2
@@bloodydarn never played Union Cross and i forgot about Kairi when I said multiple though I meant more than 1. So Xehanort I guess would be the only other character with "more than 1" heart.
Half of 2 creates one and one, and years of trauma
They took what could have possibly been the greatest Games series ever, and took the largest most convoluted dump on the story that could’ve been legendary
Not confusing, just a lot to remember
@@TheBanishedWind Yeah, NO. From a pure writing standpoint the story of KH is an absolute MESS no matter how young try to spin it.
@@Talon97
Not really. Even Lea comments that there's a lot to get memorized.
Using only the completed games, they make sense if you actually sit down and think about it in between game sessions.
It only gets "confusing" if you either take the memes as gospel or just want an excuse to hate on the games.
**makes a complicated explanation**
"Not too complicated"
Why the dumb question? It’s his nobody. Confirmed in KH2. What’s with these people asking these foolish questions
So what I like to think that he’s a nobody made from the fragments of ventus heart at the time. Which is why he’s able to grow his own heart so fast despite the fact that he remembers NOTHING about his past or self from the beginning of the game.
"not so complicated" famous last words in this series lol
What is even more weirder is that Vanitas which is Roxas' heartless looks like Sora which is confusing because Vanitas was created when Xehanort separated Ventus' heart which was before he became apart of Sora.
1 thing you got wrong. It was a kid sora restoring ventus heart. The heart states that it's a new hear on its way. Meaning, this is soras heart before it even reached story
"Is roxas sora's nobody or ventus's heartless?"
Yes, the answer is yes
To be fair, Ventus and Sora already had more than a passing resemblance
Let's make this a drinking game, every time someone says "heart" we all take a shot
I'd say the whole confusion rundown of the whole 3 nobody's and 1 heartless can be described this way
Roxas is Ventus' nobody but with sora's memories
Xion is Sora's nobody with his memories but took up a similar appearance to that of kairi (sometimes, this one is more complicated)
And Naminé is Kairi's nobody that had access to sora's memories
Forgot to explain how Vanitas looks like Sora so people aren't confused
Short answer the game developers were just to lazy to make a new main character
Sora actually looks like Roxas, its just different hair styles
Roxas was supposed to just be Ventus but then he was so popular and Ven was so different that they had to be different people.
"Guy within guy makes guy except looks like other guy" i love this franchise.
this is also why roxas can naturally wield 2 keyblades without the need for special transformations, since both sora and ven are keyblade wielders, roxas adapted the ability to use 2 keyblades at a time
and this is why naminé doesn't look exactly like kairi either, she adopted ven's blond hair
While Roxas' connection to Ventus makes no doubt, I'm not so sure about Namine and Kairi.
I mean, sure, Kairi's heart was in Sora's own at the same time as Ventus' was in, but that aside, there was no interaction like Sora's acting as a substitute for Ventus', they were just kinda 'looking' at each other in there. Besides, Roxas looks like Ventus because he had Ventus' heart inside him, Namine got nothing of Ventus in her (don't take that out of context though) so Namine's appearance has nothing to do with Ventus.
Real answers is the Devs did not think ahead when Sora first became a Heartless they had no idea they would make Nobodies otherwise they would have fleshed out that concept more in KH1 to make it easy to understand in KH2
This series makes me feel so stupid because I never understand no matter how much it is explained to me
Roxas is older Ventus. Just because the creator won't admit it, doesn't make it untrue.
I alwayss thought that... Vanitas was a puppet like Xion (who looked like a black haired Kairi because if Sora's connections), no face until Ventus connectes with Sora.
When Ventus defeats Vanitas, he found Sora again and stayed there.
Then: Ventus pieces were in Sora, so Sora had 2 hearts.
When the storm comes in KH1 and Kairi flies towards Sora, she gave him her heart, so Sora had 3 hearts.
Hollow Bastion: Sora releases all 3 hearts and Ventus became Roxas while Sora heart stayed:
A- Within himself but in the darkness, that's why he was diifferent than others heartless, so Kairi, a princess of light, managed to light it again.
B: Within Kairi, because Kairi tries to catch him before fading, and then when she hugs the heartless, the gave him his heart again.
Then everyone had a heart.
But shit is confusing
The real question is why does Vanitas look like Sora if Sora didn’t reacc out and connect with Ventus till after his creation
Yes. Roxas is soras nobody but holding ventus's heart for safe keeping.
My girlfriend said "so when does Ansem come?" I said "when he's inside on riku" and we realized what had happened
I think Roxas is both Sora’s Nobody and Ventus’s Heartless.
Heartless. Nobody Solis, no bones. This is confusing.
Ventus impregnated young Sora with Roxas
The real complication is why does vanitas look like adult sora.
He’s clearly sora’s nobody. The game makes that pretty damn clear and not many things are clear in this story.
Mickey might as well be Sora at this point
Its just Tetsuya Nomura cattering to fans, cause in the BBS era Square wasnt sure if they were ever gonna revive Roxas and he was a fan favourite. So it was just corporate decision.
Why are people in the comments acting like Roxas was carrying around ventus' heart from the end of KH1 all the way to the beginning of KH2? Just because he looks like ven dosent mean he has his heart. Roxas echoes ventus' just like vanitas echoes sora.
THANK YOU! If they were actually paying attention to the plot then they'd know ventus leaving Sora was impossible at the time 🤦♂️
To this day I still don't have an answer as to how his nobody existed simultaneously with him returning as a somebody and throughout chain of memories.
Obviously 358/2 days didn't happen in the span of 10 minutes so like how did Roxas exist up until kh2?
This revelation about Roxas’ appearance was actually sort of disappointing. Kid me had assumed before this that all Nobodies who look like people look drastically different from their Somebody counterpart.
I just thought that would’ve been stylistically cooler.
Sora became a Heartless himself only to become a Somebody once again thanks to Kairi.
Because Kairi went inside Sora somehow and pierced himself, not only was somehow Naminé born but also Roxas.
And because Ven’s heart somehow still remained in Sora (BBS was not made or thought of yet), Sora’s Nobody took on the form of Ventus.
Roxas is more like a soul. That is why he is a “Nobody”. He is a walking soul, incomplete so to speak, holding half of Sora’s power.
Sora became that common black Heartless, because Sora lost his soul. Now where did Sora’s heart go after piercing himself?
Probably in Kairi. Which is why Kairi could recognize Heartless Sora.
I guess Kairi gave Sora back his heart.
But the body? Simple, really. Sora’s Heartless form was his body so merging with his heart again made him whole. But, again, he was incomplete because Roxas was out there.
Ven’s heart experienced a roadblock so his heart inhabited Sora’s Nobody, hence why Roxas looked like Ven.
Roxas only wielded one Keyblade at first. Probably due to Ven, not Sora. Then when Roxas absorbed Xion, he could dual wield.
And when Sora fought against Roxas, Sora could steal from Roxas, able to triple wield. Why? Sora himself, Ven and Xion. Sora probably took “Xion” away from Roxas. If Roxas got lucky, he could retrieve the Keyblade back from Sora.
Oh, and Xion was based on Sora’s memories (first sampled by Xemnas in Hollow Bastion) though she took on the form of a girl, resembling Kairi for some reasons. I guess the reason why it’s in the form of a girl is because Sora’s mind was only on Kairi for most of KHI especially after knowing Riku was okay.
And so, there were Re: Chain of Memories and 358/2 Days focusing on 6 characters.
Sora, Riku and Naminé.
Roxas, Xion and Axel.
At this point, the rest is history.
Sora being able to triple wield as I have stated.
Technically able to quadruple wield due to having Xion in him, Sora returned Ven’s heart, Sora is left with 3 Keyblades.
The Xion they met was still brainwashed.
As a result, when Roxas (through Sora) spoke with Xion, telling her it was okay, Sora inadvertently transferred Xion’s memories (including how to properly use the Keyblade again) to Xion. Sora still got 3 Keyblades because of Roxas in him.
Then finally Roxas was released, a dual wielding Roxas, leaving Sora with his own Keyblade.
Roxas able to dual wield because of Xion’s memories and heart still being in Roxas. The Xion everyone met before Roxas was released, was a recreation completed with the ability to wield a Keyblade, Xion who was a true Nobody at that point which Saix was discreetly responsible for, indirectly atoning, thus partially foiling Master Xehanort’s plans.
Sora is Sora
Roxas is Sora, but also Ventus
Ventus is Ventus, but also Sora
Kairi is Kairi, and Sora, but only a little bit, she's also useless in almost every game, but that's not important
Xion is Sora and Kairi, but unlike Kairi, she actually does stuff
Namine is Kairi, and she also does more than Kairi
Riku is Riku, but also Ansem, who is also part of Xehanort, who is also Terra, but only kind of
Terra is Terra, and Xehanort, with a hint of Eraqus in him too
Also is it just me or is it weird that Sora dies in he first game, Goofy "dies" in the second, and Donald dies in the third after using Zettaflare, but Sora does time travel shenanigans and it never happens
It seems like you really want kairi to do more.
Oh, and Aqua is Aqua, but just like Mickey, I'm now bringing her into conversation because it's totally relevant, and not because I forgot
Roxas is Soras Nobody. Simple.
Supposed to be a a metaphor for accepting your negative emotions and aspects you don't like of yourself, accepting they are a part of you and you can't be whole without them, they aren't inherently bad.
I don't care for the KH lore and story, after BBS with DDD and the mobile game, it went straight to the shitter.
Simply put, because sora dies = empty body, ventus's heart = no where to go as path locked by aqua, sora empty body = ventus heart home= sora empty body with ventus heart now looks = ventus= but because not ventus's nobody but his looks = no memories = zombie start for roxas.
Kairi saves shadow sora restoring soras form but not full body (basically what Xehanort did to Ven but in reverse)= sora is basically like he was in kh3 "fading fast" until reunited with his actual body = Roxas.
With the memories and connections Roxas made growing his own emotions and personality made his heart his own rather than Ventus's alone. which is why he gets to become his own person with the clone things in KH3
Got it memorized ?
Kingdom Hearts 2= give everybody black coats
Roxas is 1/2 vens noboday 1/2 soras. Just as namine is 1/2 soras nobody and 1/2 kairis. Thats the actual canon.
Also, we only see 2 hearts leave sora, his own and kairis. Inside of his own heart slumbers vens. It never seperated.
"not too complicated" he says.
Im still of the mind there is 0 reason why kingdom hearts plot has to be so complicated.
dumbed down explanation=he looks like ventus because his and sora's heart were basically one and the same after being together for 10 years
Why is literally everyone part of Sora
Roxas, Ventus, Kairi
Whos next, Saïx?
Simple
Roxas is Sora's Nobody
Vanitas is Ventus' Nobody
Neither. Nomura was making shit up as he went and now it's out of hand with a bunch of loose ends.
technically Roxas looks like Sora (with Ventus' hairstyle) who look like Ventus. These three plus Vanitas all have the same face.
This is even stated all the way back in KH1FM when Xemnas tells Roxas he looks like Sora
So this would make…
Sora the (technical) heartless
And
Roxas as the nobody in the shape of Ventus.
Vanitas IS the darkness of Vens heart so he can’t produce a heartless but it leaves room to make a nobody because of his strong will to fight and live.
This is a stretch but Roxas is the nobody of Sora but also the strong will of Ventus given another chance to retry his life anew.
With no memories of Ventus but as Sora.
Ventus was given a second chance to relive as someone else that isn’t Sora or Ventus but as Roxas.
Now I want a game with as convoluted a lore as Kingdom Hearts, but have the protagonist confused as hell with the audience. Maybe even call out the confusing bullshit as well.
Metal Gear and BlazBlue have characters as what the hell is going on pretty regularly
“Not too complicated” yeah… sure
Everybody’s sora.
Darkness.
X-blade.
Friends are power.
This also explains why despite being Kairi's nobody Namine is blonde, its to match Ventus and also being born from a heart of pure light blonde = pure...
i guess xD
He's their both's *NOBODY'S HEARTLESS* .🤯
U forgot vanitas. If u play the game. After the battle with vanitas. Venus heart went to sora. vanitas say in kingdom hearts 3. We are brothers saying to both Venus and sora. Even though sora was still a child in birth by sleep.
This is why my wife doesn’t like kingdom hearts 😂😂😂