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The premise alone isn’t really bad, the film can be about people who get too personal and attached with their own creations which leads them to literally lose their minds or sense of reality. Even Holly herself could be a symbol for sexy characters who solely exist because somebody wanted a sexy character without any substance. In fact, having her become an antagonist for corrupting real people to lose their minds would’ve been much better and the way to solve this problem would be to either erase Holly from existence or redeem her with more substance than just eye candy.
Executive meddlingdrastically altered and ruined what it was meant to be. They ciudknt get their heads out of their Animation Ghetto Age asses to elt the creator do his thing as intended.
Imagine if Ralph Bakshi got enough money today to make the actual Cool World he really wanted to make. I think the way to get that human/doodle hybrid is to use rotoscoping.
I think the upcoming bendy film could give him the horror movie he always wanted to direct (to some degree). Edit: sadly (for better or worse) Ralph Bakshi won't direct the horror movie. Instead it will be directed by Andre Ovredal.
Ralphie has a whole backlog of ideas that should have, but never saw the light of day. Not just his OG Cool World, but his plan to have Led Zeppelin do the score for LOTOR.
I remember watching the nostalgia critic piece together the history of this film awhile. When he showed the original story board of how it was going a horror film and holli was a crime boss. I was like,”yo! What the fuck!? That sounded awesome!” Why couldn’t we have gotten that, honestly?
I really would had love to see the original version of the story made into a film. A guy sleeps with his animated girlfriend, then she gives birth to a half human half toon hybrid girl who grows up hating him and when she grows up travels to the real world to murder him and his friends. It would had been the dark Anti-Waifu story that would had aged like fine wine given our present cartoon fandom.
She would’ve been crowned the first female Tumblr Sexyman and would’ve led to like 5 years of discourse surrounding the term “sexyman” as a result, we were so fucking robbed
I think the original idea that they had for Cool World was actually quite interesting. The child that was born was both cartoon and real, capable of traveling back and forth between the cartoon world and the real world, where the child grew up and tried to find his father. It's a shame that they didn't go with that idea. Even if the film might not have done well, there would have been more respect for the artistic approach in making a horror-esque or drama-like movie. In fact, they probably could have made it into an action film where you can sympathize with the son as he tries to confront his father for ditching his mother.
I’ll forever remember the moment in my high school film class when we debated why good actors do bad movies and when asked if he could think of an actor who never did a bad movie the teacher thought and said Gabriel Byrne. My friend shouted “Cool World” and the teacher just hung his head in defeat.
I remember finding clips of this movie on the internet when I was a kid and asking my dad about it. He looked like he had a Vietnam flashback and told me it was the FIRST movie he ever walked out of in the theater. He told me it was terrible and to not even waste my time. Apparently, he thought it would be kind of like "Who Framed Roger Rabbit," and he absolutely loves that movie, but he was SO wrong. Needless to say, I didn't heed his warnings because I was curious, and I wish I had. 😅
The only thing I remember about Cool World was the TV edit censored Brad Pitt's line "You piece of shit!" to "You piece of pit!", which not only makes no sense, but was funny because of his name.
My parents were the "If it's animated, it's for kids," type so I saw it at a young age. That scene where Hollie sat and slowly opened her legs did it for me.
I really liked how towards the ending, Holli looked more cartoony as she started to freak out. I wish the whole movie was just explaining the rules of toon world and why its inhabitants looked and acted so different.
Right because as a teen I remember watching this and being confused about why Hollie and Lisette looked like regular humans and super cartoony like the other cool world inhabitants.
@@Thatcaramelchic It's sorta explained, just very very poorly. They claim that all artists don't actually create their own characters, they're actually making a connection with toons and using their likeness. Toons have always existed, so every genre of cartoon just persists there already. I assume Lisette was the standard 50s retro human comic character.
I remember thinking as a kid that this was exactly that; a movie that was going to be Roger Rabbit in every way (if only a tad bit darker). I begged my parents to take me to see it a few weeks after it released and they finally acquiesced. . . I've never felt more uncomfortable watching a movie as a kid with my parents in my entire life than I did with this one.
I'm not the biggest fan of Ralph Bakshi but his influence on animation is undeniable. There's no telling where adult animation would be today without him and it's really unfortunate that not only was Cool World completely ruined by studio meddling but also that the experience was so bad he hasn't made a feature length animated film since.
Likewise, much as I love Bakshi, when his work goes wrong, it's damn near watchable at times (I couldn't finish Heavy Traffic and nearly tapped on Hey Good Lookin). Still, his highs still get me to give him a chance whenever he does something new.
@@helpfulplaylists3933 I'm fully aware of how lauded it is, but I really didn't see what was so good personally. I don't slag anyone liking, it just didn't work for me.
I sometimes think about how wacky it is that David Bowie of all people did an entire original song for this movie. He must have gotten a hell of a paycheck lol.
I was in middle school and on a vacation trip with my uncle and his family the summer this came out. My cousins, who were still elementary school age, had been hounding my uncle to see this, thinking it would be another Roger Rabbit. Me being older, had a pretty good idea what the movie was actually about, but I was also going through raging puberty so of course I wasn't going to say anything. We got right up to the point before the cop chase, when my uncle turned to me and said we needed to leave, since he didn't like this movie for the kids. Years later, even though every one is an adult now, I still give him sh*t about it whenever he says he's going to the movies by saying, "Remember to check the rating!"
I think this movie explains why it isn't: The subtleties of getting the animated and real-life characters looking like they belong in the same picture are really hard to get right. You can see this in the clips shown in the video: the 'toon character designs are interesting, but they look "flat" and unshaded, so the end result looks like a cartoon drawn over live-action film. Looking back on it, that "Roger Rabbit" was able to do pull off this trick -- with 1998 technology -- borders on the miraculous.
Yeah the reason it's not done too much is technical issues, but it's also something I think they could do better now, but don't cause 2-D to be seen as antiquated or as not selling.
Me too. And I don’t think you need to go as far as they did with Roger Rabbit to sell the world to an audience. (Obviously, what they did with 1988 technology was amazing, but we can’t all be Robert Zemeckis hot off of Back to the Future backed by Stephen Spielberg and Disney when making movies.) I mean just look at old Looney Toons and Disney shorts. You’ve got flat, cell -shaded characters laid on top of more detailed, painted, soft-shaded backgrounds and we all buy that the characters are in the environment.
@@benjaminrobinson3842 Coonskin also did it fairly well, not so much on it's aesthetic merit, but just from how written it was you could overlook it easily.
From what i saw and read years ago. Generals Cool World had the deck stacked against it. Paramount basically looked at Cool World as the Animation division last chance. So the studio higher-ups were all over it, and to make matters worse, the studio got outside funding that was also handing in notes. So Ralph basically decided to become more distant from the project and just wanted the writing paycheck as a pseudo compensation package for his vision, getting trampled all over.
My theory as to why and or how Frank never aged while in Cool World is that if you really think about it cartoon characters never really age, therefore that logic must apply to Cool World's laws of physics and the fact that Frank never aged a day during the movies time skip is proof that Cool World's laws of physics apply to a real person as well as it does to "Doodles. Either that or time passes differently between the two dimensions. Since fifty years had passed Frank by out here in the real world but in Cool World it could have only been around five years meaning that Frank aged in Cool World time instead real world time and so he stayed young longer by real world standards than he should have.
Missed opportunity to say "the first rule of cool world, you do not have sex with Doodles! Second rule of Cool World, you do NOT have sex with Doodles! "
Given that the studio trampled all over his original vision, set it ablaze and then pissed on the ashes, not too surprising he didn't want anything to do with the industry after. This was a zillion dollar kick in the nads for Ralph.
Some years ago he crowdfunded a new animated film...can't remember if it was supposed to be a short film or feature-length. Last I heard about it, it kinda crashed and burned in some ways? Baskhi wasn't happy with the work being done by the hired animators, and ended up doing most of it himself. Bit it was all digitally animated. Saw some clips of it, and it was baaaad. Unless it was just an animatic.
I remember reading that Bakshi blamed the failure of this film on Kim Basinger being too old or not hot enough for the role, which made me lose a lot of respect for him.
So it wasn't because they completely mangled his script? The original was supposed to be about the half toon-half human abomination that was spawned from the union that couldn't find a place in the world and eventually became a killer.
I love the Irony of Saber telling us not to goon over our own animated OCs and shortly after advertising a Sabi Poster that undoubtedly will have people doing just that
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Ralph Backshi made a rejected Nickelodeon pilot called Christmas in Tatertown. It was rejected because of a controversy wich revolved Mighty Mouse sniffing a flower, who people mistook for cocaine
Vision is important. The vision for Roger Rabbit was clear: our world where toons and humans live and interact with one another as they blend seamlessly together. The vision for Cool World if any was that of chaos and just seemed like rather than being surrounded by fleshed out toons, the human characters were surrounded by animator demo reels.
It's like Roger Rabbit was the innovative indie game everyone loved and Cool World was Evony. Or RAID. Or Clash of Clans. Or whatever you're seeing in a midroll right now.
Ralph Bashki, Don Bluth, and Richard Williams were all fantastic animators, but subpar writers and directors. I'd say Bluth was the best out of the three, but Bashki in particular needed some help.
It didn’t read to me at the time as a Roger Rabbit ripoff. I also thought if they wanted to write a story about a creator falling for his creation, Pygmalion was right there; a 100% better plot that works as a template for many modern retellings.
My guilty pleasure movie. The soundtrack is awesome as well. I truly wish we could get the movie Ralph actually wanted to make. I also really know what was in Kim’s(Holli) mind. She wanted a movie to show children in the hospital. GIRL WITH THIS?! HOW?!
OMG THIS MOVIE! I remember this! My mom would NOT let me watch it and, young Dave, could NOT understand why! LMAO! Then one day, since it was on HBO, I watched it. I quickly learned what puberty felt like.
Here's my idea for Cool World. AR glasses tech gets crazy advanced and soon contact lens is all you need (has to be surgically attached, you can't just take them out).The company has it's own animation program (think metaverse actually done well) to interact with it. It's open source so anyone can create something on the computer and lets A.I. bring life to the character. The only rules, an asset cannot be duplicated. Your creation is yours and yours alone. Also, the tech has top-tier digital privacy so no one can trace your creation to you unless you allow it. At first, it's harmless enough. Your children can literally play with animated characters. But then a new update allows the AR to cover over real life with the animation (people, building, etc.). Think the movie "Paprika". NOW have a movie about a detective trying to solve a murder where the witness reported it to be Holly. So to follow the breadcrumbs, the detective has to put on the AR lenses to find the killer that is skinned with her avatar over that person. But, things get out of control as the real and augmented world merge. There's no way to know if a animated character running at you with a animated knife is really a person until they stab you. There's no way to know if the door in your background animated building is real until you try to open it.
"Nothing good ever comes from gooning over your own OC waifu." *war flashbacks to an anime called "Twinkle Nora Rock Me" that was covered by Kenny Lauderdale a while back* That tracks.
It's a shame we never got the more horror styled premise of this movie. Because, of course, the studio bigwigs just had to have their greasy, money grubbing mitts all over it.
The "Noids don't do doodles" scene comes with two weird implications: 1)The writer knows and likes the "taboo" of wanting to screw his oc. 2) He genuinely feels like society is trying to stop his "relationship".
Or just the idea of "cartoons in the real world." Which is just a variation of "real people in the cartoon world," which predates Roger Rabbit, by appearing in Mary Poppins and in Bednobs And Broomsticks.
Thanks for ... this. Bizarrely, my vague genre memories linked to a movie that was about a half-human, half-carton daughter, who had to learn toon powers, to save the world. Though I didn't see much of it and I've no idea what it was called. There were some unhinged movies back then.
18:15 Wait, doesn't everybody know that if an ex-cartoon who became a real person, kills a real person from the cartoon world (turning them into an ex-person) while they are in the real world, then that turns the real person into a cartoon person? It's just like getting bitten by a vampire, durr.
They didn’t commit to the R rating so unsurprisingly the PG-13 take feels like it is secretly ashamed of what it is. Definitely needed a tighter script too.
Saber kept talking about how small the budget was for Cool World. While it was about half as much as Rodger Rabbit, it was still twice as much as the Great Mouse Detective by Disney not more then 6 years prior. Also had the just about the same budget as Oliver & Company. Both films made over double their budget back, while Cool World clearly didn't. I'm not sure what happened behind the scenes, but by comparison Cool World feels cheaper then another film with half the backing. Also I am surprised Mouse Detective did all that and gave us the first 3D scene with as tight of a budget as it did.
I remember wanting to watch Cool World when I was a kid. I finally saw it when I was in my early twenties and just thanked my lucky stars that 7 year old me didn't get to see it.
Interestingly, Saber has mentioned he's making a video on this topic: How the 'toons you watched as a child might influence what you're into as you grow up. (Although I think actual *orientation* is more inborn than that.)
I feel like Ralph Bakshi got screwed by Paramount, because they just didn’t like his original dark horror script and decided to change Bakshi’s script to a Roger Rabbit rip-off to compete with Disney, because the studio didn’t find these kind of adult animated movies marketable enough. Kind of like what happened with Richard Williams with Thief and the Cobbler, these directors have too much demands on creative freedom and they don’t work well in a corporate environment, since Hollywood demands these indie animators to finish their animated movie on time or they lose control of their movie! It’s why Cool World and Thief and the Cobbler failed.
You need to have a solid vision for a story. In both cases there wasn’t a solid plan. Deadlines and structure are part of life. You have to manage things properly.
@@kingmatthewlego that’s the problem with those animated movies, the director should have a clear vision of the story and not keep changing the movie’s structure. This is why movies with deadlines are more important, because they organize the production process!
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24:34 You forgot to mention that a producer of the film didn't want another horror film under his belt since he was a producer of the Jason Voorhes Films
My parent worked for Paramount's distribution operations in Texas, and one of the things she did was arrange advance screenings for movies to gauge an audience's reaction to it before it released. They'd do this by basically offering free movie tickets to college students and their friends. So when SaberSpark said that Ralph Bakshi wanted a piece of the fame, I now really know the context of a story I was told from that parent's job: Ralph came to Dallas for an advance screening of Fritz the Cat, presumably to see the audience's reaction to it himself, and apparently the distribution company hired people to pretend to be cheering fans and/or paparazzi for when he arrived so that he'd get off the plane and be greeted by flashing cameras and fans cheering for him. I don't know if this was something Ralph asked for or if it was something the studio was doing to make him feel better, but... either way.
This wouldn't surprise me at all. There's a lot of people in the industry who dance around their opinions about Bakshi because of his renown, but I've known people who had worked for him and said their experiences were not good. There was some drama in the school I went to with him teaching there at one point as well, but I don't recall the details; only that it involved him trying to use the studio spaces/students there for personal projects or something.
@@tc2865 Every story I have read or heard about Bakshi from animation friends is that is he a complete a$$hole. It definitely explains how he and John K. are friends, even after the scandals.
@@Forysan Bakshi wouldn't have been remotely good if he wasn't a jerk, that's literally what made him unique compared to most other adult cartoon creators who mainly just made clones of the Simpsons/Family Guy
What would've worked better: if being IN Cool World changed both Frank Harris and Jack Deebs. If failing to enforce standards on cartoons finally cracks Harris and he becomes a cynical alcoholic, always on the edge of despair, or Jack thinks he's immortal because he doesn't age in Cool World, or Holli becoming terrified of the real world after she gets injured as a real woman. ANY ONE OF THESE IDEAS would've helped flesh out the characters.
Hot take: The Mask was a better idea of a half cartoon half real life character. Hell even the animated series has a good idea of a half animated Half real life character. Just split them down the middle. They did this cause the mask was split in 2 and when Stanley put it on it only changed half of him. Could be really interesting to explore
Cool World was a fever dream. I've seen it a couple of times and I mostly remember why I forget it every time. Of course, if I could make Toji real, I would. I cant blame Brad. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you for covering this movie. I watched it growing up having loved who framed Roger rabbit and it always felt like a fever dream as I never heard anyone else talk about it. Such an interesting history behind it all.
I just need the world to know, when Saber was listing off movies near the end, I got an ad that fit right in as "Arby's 2 for 5 snack attack" - it was seamless, beautiful even, more so that Holly Wood.
This movie was originally going to be the closest thing we'd ever get to a proper movie adaptation for the comic series Mayhem (the super violent comic that Jim Carrey'a The Mask was based on). I hate the changes made by the studio
Great video as always Saber, and you nailed your summation of the issue with the movie. Ralph wanted the big studio budget but also his independent film freedom. For better or worse, that's not the way it works. I'm pretty sure Paramount were getting Hraven's Gate vibes from this during production and they just cut their losses. Probably the right call.
Many people are unaware of the turmoil that occurred behind the scenes. Ralph Bakshi, the film's creator, had initially proposed a horror-comedy concept involving a human and a toon's offspring who grows up to realize he fits into neither world, leading him on a killing rampage. However, this vision was altered due to Kim Basinger's intervention. She wished to share the film with children at a hospital where she volunteered. Despite Bakshi's objection, stating it was not the intended film genre, the studio sided with Basinger, leading to a script change. Faced with budget overruns and tight deadlines, Bakshi was compelled to accept the revised script.
Man, I used to love this movie when I was a kid. But when I saw it when I grew up I realized it wasn't that great. I still like it though. That original plot sounds so cool too. I hope someone could make a movie like that one day.
Speaking of which, I would like for you to check out the recent Chip n Dale movie. It's not on the level of Who Framed Roger Rabbit, but the amount of studios that agreed to make cameos in this film is insane. And it's fairly good on its own too.
Cool World is my especial Guilty Pleasure movie, it has a especial place in my heart for a reason. this movie was my introduction to the concept of animation for adults, i remenber when i first saw this movie on Tv on a friday night, i was a kid/pre teenager, to this point i though cartoons were all just for kids, them this movie show up and blow my mind, ''WHAT A CARTOON MOVIE MADE FOR ADULTS NOT FOR KIDS, SUCH THING EXIST????''
Am sorry what Clearly he said he wanted a animated horror movie about a abondoned son wanting to take revange on there parent and explore the world well also inheriting the flaws of his father Thats a interesting story to animate
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The premise alone isn’t really bad, the film can be about people who get too personal and attached with their own creations which leads them to literally lose their minds or sense of reality. Even Holly herself could be a symbol for sexy characters who solely exist because somebody wanted a sexy character without any substance. In fact, having her become an antagonist for corrupting real people to lose their minds would’ve been much better and the way to solve this problem would be to either erase Holly from existence or redeem her with more substance than just eye candy.
This!
That alone sounds a much better idea.
Now *that* would be an interesting movie to watch! Probably a bit too deep for most Hollywood exeutives' tastes, though.
Executive meddlingdrastically altered and ruined what it was meant to be. They ciudknt get their heads out of their Animation Ghetto Age asses to elt the creator do his thing as intended.
This would have been a brilliant idea
I remember when Saber reviewed an anime music video about this *exact premise*
This movie tackled the subject of sleeping with your waifu pillow way before it was a real thing
Honestly feels like a Jessica Rabbit x viewer fanfic erotica.
@@ClownHoundIIthis was like his
Answer to Jessica rabbit.
Ever since animation began it has been horny. There was never a point in time where sleeping with your waifu body pillow wasn't a part of the industry
Pygmalion
Except, You can have sex with your pillow
Imagine if Ralph Bakshi got enough money today to make the actual Cool World he really wanted to make. I think the way to get that human/doodle hybrid is to use rotoscoping.
God I wish Bakshi would make a ew film!
Could always go thru TH-cam in making it and showing a better movie
@OfficerElonMuskUTTPOh great they're on this channel too 🤦♀️
I think the upcoming bendy film could give him the horror movie he always wanted to direct (to some degree).
Edit: sadly (for better or worse) Ralph Bakshi won't direct the horror movie. Instead it will be directed by Andre Ovredal.
Ralphie has a whole backlog of ideas that should have, but never saw the light of day. Not just his OG Cool World, but his plan to have Led Zeppelin do the score for LOTOR.
I remember watching the nostalgia critic piece together the history of this film awhile. When he showed the original story board of how it was going a horror film and holli was a crime boss. I was like,”yo! What the fuck!? That sounded awesome!”
Why couldn’t we have gotten that, honestly?
Would have loved a horror movie
Because studios gonna studio and to hell with artistic ideas, we need sex to sell.
@@comettamerthere could be artistic sex!
@@comettamer That's not what Ralph did, he and his team probably got confused about how to make that work and went for something different
@@cristalido3640 disagree just like in critic review why do you think why Holly got her name, to stick it to Hollywood
Still hard to believe that this movie's script was changed from **day 1** by legit corporate meddling.
"It wath da STHTUDIO!"
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Tbh, the spider was much more funnier in Christmas in Tattertown than in Cool World.
(It could be a different one, but still...)
I really would had love to see the original version of the story made into a film. A guy sleeps with his animated girlfriend, then she gives birth to a half human half toon hybrid girl who grows up hating him and when she grows up travels to the real world to murder him and his friends.
It would had been the dark Anti-Waifu story that would had aged like fine wine given our present cartoon fandom.
Except there WAS no "original version", just an "original concept".😅
And they could've just made the child a janky 3D child
It'd be a nice Bendy and the Ink Machine plot idea
She would’ve been crowned the first female Tumblr Sexyman and would’ve led to like 5 years of discourse surrounding the term “sexyman” as a result, we were so fucking robbed
No,not a girl,Saberspark told the two would have had a boy,a son
I think the original idea that they had for Cool World was actually quite interesting. The child that was born was both cartoon and real, capable of traveling back and forth between the cartoon world and the real world, where the child grew up and tried to find his father. It's a shame that they didn't go with that idea. Even if the film might not have done well, there would have been more respect for the artistic approach in making a horror-esque or drama-like movie. In fact, they probably could have made it into an action film where you can sympathize with the son as he tries to confront his father for ditching his mother.
Very intriguing idea.
It would've been a very interesting idea, but of course studios gonna studio...
Wait, we already have that plot, it’s called Blue Eye Samurai, and it’s actually really good
I 100% agree!
It sounds amazing.
I’ll forever remember the moment in my high school film class when we debated why good actors do bad movies and when asked if he could think of an actor who never did a bad movie the teacher thought and said Gabriel Byrne. My friend shouted “Cool World” and the teacher just hung his head in defeat.
They saw that one women from the Roger rabbit movie and wanted to make their obsession into a whole movie
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The 2nd worst animated theatrical movie of all time (only behind Norm of the North). 💀
The only saver for this is the animation.
@@kootunesscrewy have you ever heard of Troll Land? 🥲
I remember finding clips of this movie on the internet when I was a kid and asking my dad about it.
He looked like he had a Vietnam flashback and told me it was the FIRST movie he ever walked out of in the theater. He told me it was terrible and to not even waste my time. Apparently, he thought it would be kind of like "Who Framed Roger Rabbit," and he absolutely loves that movie, but he was SO wrong.
Needless to say, I didn't heed his warnings because I was curious, and I wish I had. 😅
😂😂 You live and learn
List of things that never happen until this video number 300.
The only thing I remember about Cool World was the TV edit censored Brad Pitt's line "You piece of shit!" to "You piece of pit!", which not only makes no sense, but was funny because of his name.
My parents were the "If it's animated, it's for kids," type so I saw it at a young age. That scene where Hollie sat and slowly opened her legs did it for me.
I really liked how towards the ending, Holli looked more cartoony as she started to freak out. I wish the whole movie was just explaining the rules of toon world and why its inhabitants looked and acted so different.
Right because as a teen I remember watching this and being confused about why Hollie and Lisette looked like regular humans and super cartoony like the other cool world inhabitants.
@@Thatcaramelchic It's sorta explained, just very very poorly. They claim that all artists don't actually create their own characters, they're actually making a connection with toons and using their likeness. Toons have always existed, so every genre of cartoon just persists there already. I assume Lisette was the standard 50s retro human comic character.
@@WobblesandBean ahhh okay I guess that makes sense. I honestly was just confused by the whole move lol
@@Thatcaramelchic Yeah, it's not a good movie, lol.
I remember thinking as a kid that this was exactly that; a movie that was going to be Roger Rabbit in every way (if only a tad bit darker). I begged my parents to take me to see it a few weeks after it released and they finally acquiesced. . . I've never felt more uncomfortable watching a movie as a kid with my parents in my entire life than I did with this one.
OMG I can't even imagine!! Yikes!! 😅😂😂
I'm not the biggest fan of Ralph Bakshi but his influence on animation is undeniable. There's no telling where adult animation would be today without him and it's really unfortunate that not only was Cool World completely ruined by studio meddling but also that the experience was so bad he hasn't made a feature length animated film since.
Likewise, much as I love Bakshi, when his work goes wrong, it's damn near watchable at times (I couldn't finish Heavy Traffic and nearly tapped on Hey Good Lookin). Still, his highs still get me to give him a chance whenever he does something new.
@@MarquisLeary34Heavy traffic is one of his better films.
@@helpfulplaylists3933 I'm fully aware of how lauded it is, but I really didn't see what was so good personally. I don't slag anyone liking, it just didn't work for me.
Cool World is just as bad as all the gooning "isekai" anime coming out
@@Haggis-Giggles4692 what
I sometimes think about how wacky it is that David Bowie of all people did an entire original song for this movie. He must have gotten a hell of a paycheck lol.
I sometimes remember that animation movie with a villain rockstar type that looked like bowie, maybe he got mistaken lol
@@JupiterLebre You mean "Rock and Rule" ?
And yet he didn't sing a song in SpongeBob smh
I really like "Real Cool World" (its on Spotify btw)
the way it's a good song too imo
I was in middle school and on a vacation trip with my uncle and his family the summer this came out. My cousins, who were still elementary school age, had been hounding my uncle to see this, thinking it would be another Roger Rabbit. Me being older, had a pretty good idea what the movie was actually about, but I was also going through raging puberty so of course I wasn't going to say anything. We got right up to the point before the cop chase, when my uncle turned to me and said we needed to leave, since he didn't like this movie for the kids. Years later, even though every one is an adult now, I still give him sh*t about it whenever he says he's going to the movies by saying, "Remember to check the rating!"
I'm really into the whole "live action people interacting with animated characters" trope and wish it was more common in general.
I think this movie explains why it isn't: The subtleties of getting the animated and real-life characters looking like they belong in the same picture are really hard to get right. You can see this in the clips shown in the video: the 'toon character designs are interesting, but they look "flat" and unshaded, so the end result looks like a cartoon drawn over live-action film. Looking back on it, that "Roger Rabbit" was able to do pull off this trick -- with 1998 technology -- borders on the miraculous.
Yeah the reason it's not done too much is technical issues, but it's also something I think they could do better now, but don't cause 2-D to be seen as antiquated or as not selling.
Me too. And I don’t think you need to go as far as they did with Roger Rabbit to sell the world to an audience. (Obviously, what they did with 1988 technology was amazing, but we can’t all be Robert Zemeckis hot off of Back to the Future backed by Stephen Spielberg and Disney when making movies.)
I mean just look at old Looney Toons and Disney shorts. You’ve got flat, cell -shaded characters laid on top of more detailed, painted, soft-shaded backgrounds and we all buy that the characters are in the environment.
It was expensive to to do it well, largely due to precise hand animation. It is possible that tech will make it cost less.
@@benjaminrobinson3842 Coonskin also did it fairly well, not so much on it's aesthetic merit, but just from how written it was you could overlook it easily.
I really would've liked to see the horror film concept of this movie. Seems like it would've been so much more impacting and meaningful.
From what i saw and read years ago. Generals Cool World had the deck stacked against it. Paramount basically looked at Cool World as the Animation division last chance. So the studio higher-ups were all over it, and to make matters worse, the studio got outside funding that was also handing in notes. So Ralph basically decided to become more distant from the project and just wanted the writing paycheck as a pseudo compensation package for his vision, getting trampled all over.
My theory as to why and or how Frank never aged while in Cool World is that if you really think about it cartoon characters never really age, therefore that logic must apply to Cool World's laws of physics and the fact that Frank never aged a day during the movies time skip is proof that Cool World's laws of physics apply to a real person as well as it does to "Doodles.
Either that or time passes differently between the two dimensions. Since fifty years had passed Frank by out here in the real world but in Cool World it could have only been around five years meaning that Frank aged in Cool World time instead real world time and so he stayed young longer by real world standards than he should have.
Ignore or report the bot lol
@@heyyodude8637 I've been doing both. lol
@@TheCommenterDragon A) Your theory on Frank Harris _is_ sound (👍), and B) I know what you mean about this _annoying AF_ bot here.
I'm pretty sure you just put more thought into how the setting works than the writers did.
@@TheNeoVid Well I don't know about that I mean...
That poll you asked us to do was wild, I'll tell you that!
The mask is a great interpretation of a half cartoon and half human character
Very true, although only because Jim Carrey could pull it off.
Just like Jim Carrey
Missed opportunity to say "the first rule of cool world, you do not have sex with Doodles! Second rule of Cool World, you do NOT have sex with Doodles! "
The first rule of cool world is you dont talk about rule world
Ralph Bakshi’s last theatrical film, sort of sad this is where his filmography stopped.
Given that the studio trampled all over his original vision, set it ablaze and then pissed on the ashes, not too surprising he didn't want anything to do with the industry after. This was a zillion dollar kick in the nads for Ralph.
Some years ago he crowdfunded a new animated film...can't remember if it was supposed to be a short film or feature-length. Last I heard about it, it kinda crashed and burned in some ways? Baskhi wasn't happy with the work being done by the hired animators, and ended up doing most of it himself. Bit it was all digitally animated. Saw some clips of it, and it was baaaad. Unless it was just an animatic.
The movie that broke Ralph Bakshi.
Ralph Breaks the Bakshi
It genuinley cant be THIS hard to get rid of bots
I remember reading that Bakshi blamed the failure of this film on Kim Basinger being too old or not hot enough for the role, which made me lose a lot of respect for him.
That's too far. Kim Basinger was gorgeous in it. She was and is gorgeous.
She's one of the most beautiful actresses.
So it wasn't because they completely mangled his script? The original was supposed to be about the half toon-half human abomination that was spawned from the union that couldn't find a place in the world and eventually became a killer.
I love the Irony of Saber telling us not to goon over our own animated OCs and shortly after advertising a Sabi Poster that undoubtedly will have people doing just that
It's like the live-action Super Mario movie, it's a weird movie that could've worked if there weren't so many cooks in the kitchen
🎶 too many cooks 🎶
And not a single one of them actually played the game or watched the cartoon
'Dude gets sent to another World after a Car Accident.'
..........
This is a Fucking Isekai.
I've been going through a bunch of stuff lately. I'm getting through it, but your videos help a lot. Keep it up and take breaks when you can. You're an awesome addition to this world, Saberspark.
Ralph Backshi made a rejected Nickelodeon pilot called Christmas in Tatertown. It was rejected because of a controversy wich revolved Mighty Mouse sniffing a flower, who people mistook for cocaine
Bakshi's MM had a lot of under the radar jokes. I thought Tattertown was supposed to always be a one and done though?
Yeah Tattertown was a Christmas special. I don't think it was meant to be a series. And they aired it more than a few times.
a flower or flour? because one of those looks a lot more like cocaine than the other,
Vision is important.
The vision for Roger Rabbit was clear: our world where toons and humans live and interact with one another as they blend seamlessly together.
The vision for Cool World if any was that of chaos and just seemed like rather than being surrounded by fleshed out toons, the human characters were surrounded by animator demo reels.
One of those movies I’ve seen clips from but never sat down and watched it. I just know Ralph Bakshi was involved.
Monkeybone copies more elements from Cool World than Cool World copies from Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
Except it looks better than cool world
Sadly true, though honestly it managed to be even more forgettable...
That's... hm... yeah, you're right
It's like Roger Rabbit was the innovative indie game everyone loved and Cool World was Evony. Or RAID. Or Clash of Clans. Or whatever you're seeing in a midroll right now.
Or mayhe anotyer comparison Pokémon (Who Framed Roger Rabbit) and Palworld (Cool World)
Ralph Bashki, Don Bluth, and Richard Williams were all fantastic animators, but subpar writers and directors. I'd say Bluth was the best out of the three, but Bashki in particular needed some help.
Don Bluth was just second rate Disney, Richard Williams and Bakshi had the better experimentation.
Rip the shoe from Roger rabbit
May his sole rest in piece
RIP 😭
I still think bout that
That still scars me to this day.
@@catandrobbyfloresReal.
It didn’t read to me at the time as a Roger Rabbit ripoff. I also thought if they wanted to write a story about a creator falling for his creation, Pygmalion was right there; a 100% better plot that works as a template for many modern retellings.
Kid me thought that this was the future the Judge in Roger Rabbit was trying to make.
My guilty pleasure movie. The soundtrack is awesome as well. I truly wish we could get the movie Ralph actually wanted to make.
I also really know what was in Kim’s(Holli) mind. She wanted a movie to show children in the hospital. GIRL WITH THIS?! HOW?!
This is the movie for Verbalase
OMG THIS MOVIE! I remember this! My mom would NOT let me watch it and, young Dave, could NOT understand why! LMAO! Then one day, since it was on HBO, I watched it. I quickly learned what puberty felt like.
Here's my idea for Cool World. AR glasses tech gets crazy advanced and soon contact lens is all you need (has to be surgically attached, you can't just take them out).The company has it's own animation program (think metaverse actually done well) to interact with it. It's open source so anyone can create something on the computer and lets A.I. bring life to the character. The only rules, an asset cannot be duplicated. Your creation is yours and yours alone. Also, the tech has top-tier digital privacy so no one can trace your creation to you unless you allow it.
At first, it's harmless enough. Your children can literally play with animated characters. But then a new update allows the AR to cover over real life with the animation (people, building, etc.). Think the movie "Paprika".
NOW have a movie about a detective trying to solve a murder where the witness reported it to be Holly. So to follow the breadcrumbs, the detective has to put on the AR lenses to find the killer that is skinned with her avatar over that person.
But, things get out of control as the real and augmented world merge. There's no way to know if a animated character running at you with a animated knife is really a person until they stab you. There's no way to know if the door in your background animated building is real until you try to open it.
"Nothing good ever comes from gooning over your own OC waifu."
*war flashbacks to an anime called "Twinkle Nora Rock Me" that was covered by Kenny Lauderdale a while back*
That tracks.
At least Holli Would has more frames per second than Nora.
It's a shame we never got the more horror styled premise of this movie. Because, of course, the studio bigwigs just had to have their greasy, money grubbing mitts all over it.
It’s reminding me too much of the “I got hit by a bus and isekied into a fictional world trying to save the hot guy” genre
The "Noids don't do doodles" scene comes with two weird implications: 1)The writer knows and likes the "taboo" of wanting to screw his oc. 2) He genuinely feels like society is trying to stop his "relationship".
Cool World is just a movie that went for Roger Rabbit's visual style and nothing else. NOTHING else.
It couldn't even do that
Or just the idea of "cartoons in the real world." Which is just a variation of "real people in the cartoon world," which predates Roger Rabbit, by appearing in Mary Poppins and in Bednobs And Broomsticks.
X to doubt
Thanks for ... this.
Bizarrely, my vague genre memories linked to a movie that was about a half-human, half-carton daughter, who had to learn toon powers, to save the world. Though I didn't see much of it and I've no idea what it was called.
There were some unhinged movies back then.
Saber will always draw me in with promises of goon-toons.
'Who Framed Rodger Rabbit,' was one of my fave movies growing up.
Saber saying MeUndies like a pirate would if his underwear got stolen absolutely *sent me*
18:15 Wait, doesn't everybody know that if an ex-cartoon who became a real person, kills a real person from the cartoon world (turning them into an ex-person) while they are in the real world, then that turns the real person into a cartoon person?
It's just like getting bitten by a vampire, durr.
OF COURSE!!!!! I thought everyone knew that!! It's just common knowledge.
They didn’t commit to the R rating so unsurprisingly the PG-13 take feels like it is secretly ashamed of what it is. Definitely needed a tighter script too.
Saber kept talking about how small the budget was for Cool World. While it was about half as much as Rodger Rabbit, it was still twice as much as the Great Mouse Detective by Disney not more then 6 years prior. Also had the just about the same budget as Oliver & Company. Both films made over double their budget back, while Cool World clearly didn't. I'm not sure what happened behind the scenes, but by comparison Cool World feels cheaper then another film with half the backing. Also I am surprised Mouse Detective did all that and gave us the first 3D scene with as tight of a budget as it did.
You know this plot feels really similar to Ice king writing fanfiction that's actually just a parallel universe being beamed into his head.
I remember wanting to watch Cool World when I was a kid. I finally saw it when I was in my early twenties and just thanked my lucky stars that 7 year old me didn't get to see it.
okay but holli wood awoke my sapphic spark as a child
😐 not something to be proud of taylor
@@ObossRocksWhy?
Interestingly, Saber has mentioned he's making a video on this topic: How the 'toons you watched as a child might influence what you're into as you grow up. (Although I think actual *orientation* is more inborn than that.)
@@benjaminrobinson3842I actually don't think it influences your preferences,it just helps you figure them out.
@@ObossRocks but…she’s hot
I feel like Ralph Bakshi got screwed by Paramount, because they just didn’t like his original dark horror script and decided to change Bakshi’s script to a Roger Rabbit rip-off to compete with Disney, because the studio didn’t find these kind of adult animated movies marketable enough. Kind of like what happened with Richard Williams with Thief and the Cobbler, these directors have too much demands on creative freedom and they don’t work well in a corporate environment, since Hollywood demands these indie animators to finish their animated movie on time or they lose control of their movie! It’s why Cool World and Thief and the Cobbler failed.
Pretty much, Bakshi didn't want to submit to executive meddling but forced him otherwise.
@@JohnBrian-wm8fw because he had no other choice of he wanted his movie to have funding.
You need to have a solid vision for a story. In both cases there wasn’t a solid plan.
Deadlines and structure are part of life. You have to manage things properly.
@@kingmatthewlego that’s the problem with those animated movies, the director should have a clear vision of the story and not keep changing the movie’s structure. This is why movies with deadlines are more important, because they organize the production process!
Saber, I beg of you, can you please talk about Robot Dreams, its just, Im starving for more content and I want more people to know about it because it needs to get the recognition it deserves, DO IT PLEASEE
Im more surprised how this game got a video game adaptation on the SNES.
H-how. How would that even work.
@@emilyofjaneyou don’t need to think my friend, it already exists for some bizarre reason.
It’s a faaaaaamily picture!
I understood that reference
I've been waiting literal eons for you to cover this. Executive meddling all around.
Frank: "Noids don't do doodles."
Me: "And I took that kind of personally..."
17:46 That Doodlebob soundbite took me out 🤣🤣🤣
Is it a noir detective movie?
Is it a love story?
Is it an adult movie?
Is it a superhero movie?
Is it a cartoon?
This movie is confused...
I Think It's Supposed To Be A Blend Of All Of The Above.
24:34 You forgot to mention that a producer of the film didn't want another horror film under his belt since he was a producer of the Jason Voorhes Films
My parent worked for Paramount's distribution operations in Texas, and one of the things she did was arrange advance screenings for movies to gauge an audience's reaction to it before it released. They'd do this by basically offering free movie tickets to college students and their friends.
So when SaberSpark said that Ralph Bakshi wanted a piece of the fame, I now really know the context of a story I was told from that parent's job: Ralph came to Dallas for an advance screening of Fritz the Cat, presumably to see the audience's reaction to it himself, and apparently the distribution company hired people to pretend to be cheering fans and/or paparazzi for when he arrived so that he'd get off the plane and be greeted by flashing cameras and fans cheering for him. I don't know if this was something Ralph asked for or if it was something the studio was doing to make him feel better, but... either way.
This wouldn't surprise me at all. There's a lot of people in the industry who dance around their opinions about Bakshi because of his renown, but I've known people who had worked for him and said their experiences were not good. There was some drama in the school I went to with him teaching there at one point as well, but I don't recall the details; only that it involved him trying to use the studio spaces/students there for personal projects or something.
@@tc2865 Every story I have read or heard about Bakshi from animation friends is that is he a complete a$$hole. It definitely explains how he and John K. are friends, even after the scandals.
@@Forysan Bakshi wouldn't have been remotely good if he wasn't a jerk, that's literally what made him unique compared to most other adult cartoon creators who mainly just made clones of the Simpsons/Family Guy
Sounds pretty based of him
Maybe they did it to stop him throwing a fit and doing something stupid.
What would've worked better: if being IN Cool World changed both Frank Harris and Jack Deebs. If failing to enforce standards on cartoons finally cracks Harris and he becomes a cynical alcoholic, always on the edge of despair, or Jack thinks he's immortal because he doesn't age in Cool World, or Holli becoming terrified of the real world after she gets injured as a real woman. ANY ONE OF THESE IDEAS would've helped flesh out the characters.
The animation for Holly’s dancing was is so smooth.
Hot take:
The Mask was a better idea of a half cartoon half real life character. Hell even the animated series has a good idea of a half animated Half real life character. Just split them down the middle. They did this cause the mask was split in 2 and when Stanley put it on it only changed half of him. Could be really interesting to explore
Cool World and Fritz the Cat are amazing and definitely something I shouldn’t have watched as a child
Cool World was a fever dream. I've seen it a couple of times and I mostly remember why I forget it every time. Of course, if I could make Toji real, I would. I cant blame Brad. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you for covering this movie. I watched it growing up having loved who framed Roger rabbit and it always felt like a fever dream as I never heard anyone else talk about it. Such an interesting history behind it all.
"It gets even worse."
Me: Schwing.
I just need the world to know, when Saber was listing off movies near the end, I got an ad that fit right in as "Arby's 2 for 5 snack attack" - it was seamless, beautiful even, more so that Holly Wood.
This movie was originally going to be the closest thing we'd ever get to a proper movie adaptation for the comic series Mayhem (the super violent comic that Jim Carrey'a The Mask was based on). I hate the changes made by the studio
A movie for gooners? Saberspark saw this movie and said, *“that’s free real estate.”*
@OfficerElonMuskUTTP loser, troll elsewhere already
Basically verbalase the movie with hazbin hotel in there
Legend has it Saberspark is still goonin to Cool World
THAT'S NOT GOONING! I mean, there might be a couple of folks who could edge the hell out of watching Holly Wood, but not that many.
@@MarquisLeary34It's a censorship thing
Hollywood movies doing Isekai before Isekai was cool
Glad to see so many comments addressing what this movie was ORIGINALLY supposed to be.
here on brazil this film used to be aired at noons, after school. 90's/20001s tv was crazy
I've been hoping you'd cover this ever since I watched Steve reviews video, I'm so happy you're doing a review now!!! 💕
This movie was a weird acid trip without the acid.
Great video as always Saber, and you nailed your summation of the issue with the movie. Ralph wanted the big studio budget but also his independent film freedom. For better or worse, that's not the way it works. I'm pretty sure Paramount were getting Hraven's Gate vibes from this during production and they just cut their losses. Probably the right call.
Cool world is the dollar store version of Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
Okay, the sound of Doodle Bob over the visual of the cartoon glove finger poking through the guy's shirt had me gripping my sides ! 🤣 17:46
Basically: What would Roger Rabbit be like if it were rated R, and was terrible?
Cool World isn't even rated R, it's rated PG-13. I doubt an R-Rating would have helped it at all, though, I feel like it'd have the same problems.
The edit for this video is nuts, I love it
I'm someone who hates the word "gooning". This video was torture
Many people are unaware of the turmoil that occurred behind the scenes. Ralph Bakshi, the film's creator, had initially proposed a horror-comedy concept involving a human and a toon's offspring who grows up to realize he fits into neither world, leading him on a killing rampage. However, this vision was altered due to Kim Basinger's intervention. She wished to share the film with children at a hospital where she volunteered. Despite Bakshi's objection, stating it was not the intended film genre, the studio sided with Basinger, leading to a script change. Faced with budget overruns and tight deadlines, Bakshi was compelled to accept the revised script.
Ralph Bakshi did go back to TV with HBO's Spicy City. Spicy City lasted one season and was boomed from the start.
Man, I used to love this movie when I was a kid. But when I saw it when I grew up I realized it wasn't that great. I still like it though. That original plot sounds so cool too. I hope someone could make a movie like that one day.
"We have Who Framed Roger Rabbit at home."
Saber, thank you for finally reviewing this movie!
I don’t know, I always found Bakshi’s art style unappealing.
Speaking of which, I would like for you to check out the recent Chip n Dale movie. It's not on the level of Who Framed Roger Rabbit, but the amount of studios that agreed to make cameos in this film is insane. And it's fairly good on its own too.
Cool World is my especial Guilty Pleasure movie, it has a especial place in my heart for a reason.
this movie was my introduction to the concept of animation for adults, i remenber when i first saw this movie on Tv on a friday night, i was a kid/pre teenager, to this point i though cartoons were all just for kids, them this movie show up and blow my mind, ''WHAT A CARTOON MOVIE MADE FOR ADULTS NOT FOR KIDS, SUCH THING EXIST????''
Bakshi is as underrated as he is out of pocket.
You can't not be at least mildly entertained by most of his stuff.
Am sorry what
Clearly he said he wanted a animated horror movie about a abondoned son wanting to take revange on there parent and explore the world well also inheriting the flaws of his father
Thats a interesting story to animate