Maybe one day they will let the Votann Colossus see light but it's known to match most titans in size and is literally as much a mining rig as its a behemoth size threat to the battlefields it appears on.
On thing I like about a lot of the armor designs, is they really show off what a lot of Imperial tech is derived from. Terminator armor is based off construction equipment, imperial knights were originally produced for mining and lumbering. So the Votann having that more industrial look kind of shows the evolution of the armor over time.
As a Squats player in the past, yes I'm very old, I was really worried about the Leagues of Votann when they were first announced, but I think what we've had so far is a excellent start!
The thing with the side bubbles on the vehicles is that they’re manned by some COGs, the rather basic robots of the faction that appear in the Ironmaster kit, so it does make some sense that they don’t care as much about the safety of it. It is an understandable criticism though.
One thing that I really liked about the Sagitaur & Hekaton is that the side profiles, if you overlook the occasional bulge and turrets, echo the outlines of the Rhino & Land Raider respectively. Raked fronts & rears all round!
Youd ve surprised with the amount of bits these dwarves have! For the warriors and hearthguard, not only do you get all closed helmets, you have a bazillion heads and even helmeted but open face plate. The kin "helmets " look like soace suits domes
Personal opinion, the thunder kyn look like they should be drilling threw a mine as much as on the battle field. Only having armor on the side were your drilling. And I love it. I actually didn't like the previews of them but they won me over when I got them in my hands.
The berserkers are the only ones I would change. They need some type of armor to match them in with the rest of the line.. It can be light armor, but something to cover them up.
I wish the necromunda squat models could be used in LoV similar to how kill teams can in other armies or perhaps like imperial agents. It would give them a few more units. Additionally, getting Grendl Grendlsen would give access to a second naked character, and one who will probably be a gunslinger type unit like the hexmark destroyer or the kelermorph. Probably not as good as they are, but also much cheaper to potentially chip an enemy moving near him. I can imagine most of the ironhead prospector units having rules about mining for extra command points if they control an objective. The exo driller would be good to include too.
I always find it hilarious when i remember Grimnir is the name of the dwarven fire god in AoS and the one thing stopping the 40k model being used as proxy is the fact he's wearing pants.
Grimnir is the wargod of the dwarfs, in fantasy, he's still just a warrior God in AOS, but he fought a god of fire and a monster, that's why his bois now set themselves on fire
I don't mind the Sagitar looking a little squishy. I see it as like a recon vehicle more than a light tank and they tend to be designed to discourage the crew from picking fights, like the open topped British recon cars.
Well, I'm *stumped* at how people like dwarves so much, but I don't know *squat* about them so it's best I don't *Stoop down to that level* and *look down my nose* at them and say something offensive. Like how fat they are.
Completely agree with your comment about the more time you spend with the miniatures the more they grow on you. Would love a land train model for them. There is a hitch on the back of the Land Fortress and be cool to have a trailer. Make it impossible to move around the board but rule of cool should always win
Here's some head cannon for the cockpits sticking out further than the the roll-cage: perhaps those bulges can retract into the vehicle if it tips over, but when in use the protrude to give the occupants better visibility.
I also like that the look of their standard armour looks somewhat like the Tau troop armour as a possible callback to when the old lore had Tau and squats allied or working/trading together. Even has the same 4+ save. In some ways I agree about the negative aspects of the vehicle designs. As a counterpoint: I kind of like to imagine that there is also an inner roll cage that the metal veins of the bubble are attached to so they are reinforced enough to handle the abuse you're talking about. Also I assume that not to be glass and likely some sort of quartz armour (like what the SR71 black bird has) or transparent metal of some sort. Also having a weakpoint like that isn't unheard of in real life. One of my buddies was in a humvee when they were flipped from an IED and the humvee landed on it's top, squishing the top gunner since the strap they sit on doesn't have any give. I kinda like the bug aspect of their vehicles similar to burrowing beetles and I like to imagine they put an overshell on top of the main chassis for better protection and complete the beetle look. When I get my army built, that is going to be a modification I do.
One thing I have been trying to find out is how compatible the basic Leagues guys' kits are with the Necromunda Squat Prospectors. I know not all of the weapons port over to their house list, but I'd like to see if I can make some interesting kitbashes for Necromunda
I’d say the proportions are about the same but the squats are a bit more… bloated? They’re just a bit chunkier. But if you’re good at bashing I’m sure it’d be fine. Aside from the aesthetic differences.
@@reginlief1 I think I'm gonna make the Hearthkyn my Champions/Leaders, and use the Prospectors for regulars/newbs- just so they have a different thing going for them. I already do something similar with my Enforcers (Use Arbites for Leader/Champs and Palanites and Subjugators for Patrolmen/Rookies) and kinda something with my Van Saar (Basically Leader/Champs just have full masks and more 'gubbins').
The Squat kit (IIRC) has sorta ball joint arms, where the Votann have flat surface. Otherwise, stuff looks like it should work, though using Squat weapons will be harder, since the hands are part of the handles on the hammers and stuff
@@ravenlord_xix I can work around the weapons for the most part. Worst case scenario, I can get creative with gun barrels and magazines and swap some things around. Melee weapons are generally easy or not much of a concern. Squats in Necromunda are much more 'stumpy guy with a lot of shots coming at you'.
I've been looking at getting a Sagitaur to use as a Palanite Enforcer vehicle for Necromunda Ash Wastes games, it gives me future police car vibes but I'm a bit unsure of the scale compared to a full size human mini.
Votann are an odd one in my personal opinion, they have to be careful not to step on the toes of the space wolves aesthetic and have a bit of a more deep rock galactic feel than your classic dwarf, but dont feel very dwarf-y. Would have hoped for a more angular style, like the iron hills spearmen in a sense. Still cool space dwarves though and i did fall in love with the Kahl model
Nah Kiri, on the exo suits its not cost cutting. Think of them as mining equipment. They're only going to armor the side facing the rock face as its drilling
My main issues are that hearthkyin and Einhyr haver the same heltmets. Einhyr should have something else. Also I don't know if they come with a storm bolter but they should. Finally, this is just my preference but those accelerators found on the Einhyr champion need to be standard issue (the grenade launcher should come x2 and maybe a third option with nano Lascannons). The other one is that GW missed the opportunity to have a stabilized Archeotech Butcher's nails on there Cthonian Berserks, something they can turn on an off or write some lore and emphasize on the tragedy of World Eaters and their primarch's fate.
I mean the Beserks do have Cyber-Stimms, which are administered to increase combat potency. It’s probably a similar effect to a temporary butchers nails, but it’s not literally related. Not a bad idea though. I’d put money on them getting a leader unit, so maybe an opportunity there.
ironically despite my name and focus on orks, after finally being able to buy boxes and have a local place to play em? I picked votann because i always like dwarfs THEN orks
For me, Votann are still finding their feat aesthetically. What we have is a good start, but I've seen a lot really simple Votann conversions using AoS dwarf kits that give them that traditional gruff, beardy boost they desperately need. I still don't like the pioneers at all though. They look like street sweepers. Honestly, the one unit I really want back is the land train.
I love the Votann models, but I do not understand why they have not aded more models. If they could have just imported the necromund models, and we would have gotten squat heartgurd, jouth squats and a sort of dread model. And they could have added a transport from squat. Of course, if gw had been willing to borrow others ip's, we could have gotten gunner, driller, scout and engineer from DRG, but unfortunantly, gw want to own all ip's they use.
My only real problem with the Hekaton is that it feels like the wheels are too small and narrow. But this is a range that desperately needs it's second wave. They don't have a dedicated tank, no artillery, they're an incredibly slow moving short range army.
Exactly! The complete lack of BEEEG GUN is what is mostly stopping me from liking this faction I love the look of those old land train giant canon things from the squats. To see old pictures from those and then only being able to pick up these moonrover looking things is just such a large difference that my brain has never been able to fully cope with, even if these new vehicles Arent actually horrible or anything
I was looking forward to that Forge World Krieg range review, but more and more models have kept disappearing from Forge World since then much to my chagrin. 💢
I don't like no helmet options. I'd prefer the option for a full squad helmeted. It's a war and I can't stand seeing that my army could be wiped out with headshots from basic weaponry.
I find the vehicles to be the worst part of the range. They look realy flimsy to the point that the adapted imperial civilian vehicles that the genestealers use look tougher.
Not a big fan of them sadly. I was expecting much more. The main reason for me is that their faces look so ugly and the helmeted options are boring imo
Hate the name Grimnyr tho, the lore and model itself seems to better suit being named after Grungni. The whole thing just smacks of GW having to make sure every single unit name can be trademarked
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Grimnir is actually one of Odin's name which he use when he walked amongst men. Also Odin have 2 ravens Huginn and Muninn (2 CORV cogs here)
CORV could also be a reference to Corvids, the family of bird that ravens and crows belong to.
My favourite faction, can't wait for wave 2 and it is needed
Yeah, right now Votann are just basic, they need something special and unique that isnt just a Space Marine analogue.
@@candrian7 I wouldn’t say basic. I love what they have, just needs a bigger range
Would love for them to have something along the mining /industrial route like a big mining suit or explore the COGs a little more.
Maybe one day they will let the Votann Colossus see light but it's known to match most titans in size and is literally as much a mining rig as its a behemoth size threat to the battlefields it appears on.
@@candrian7 what’s a space marine analog?
On thing I like about a lot of the armor designs, is they really show off what a lot of Imperial tech is derived from. Terminator armor is based off construction equipment, imperial knights were originally produced for mining and lumbering. So the Votann having that more industrial look kind of shows the evolution of the armor over time.
Votann knights would be cool.
As a Squats player in the past, yes I'm very old, I was really worried about the Leagues of Votann when they were first announced, but I think what we've had so far is a excellent start!
I was literally just watching your range reviews earlier today thinking "oh i wish there were more" bosh - delivered
The thing with the side bubbles on the vehicles is that they’re manned by some COGs, the rather basic robots of the faction that appear in the Ironmaster kit, so it does make some sense that they don’t care as much about the safety of it. It is an understandable criticism though.
One thing that I really liked about the Sagitaur & Hekaton is that the side profiles, if you overlook the occasional bulge and turrets, echo the outlines of the Rhino & Land Raider respectively. Raked fronts & rears all round!
Your videos are good , a lot better than most warhammer content people that don’t do battle reports only
It’s so refreshing
Keep it up
The berserks not having mohawks and the general lack of big beards are my biggest gripes about the Leagues of Votann
Youd ve surprised with the amount of bits these dwarves have! For the warriors and hearthguard, not only do you get all closed helmets, you have a bazillion heads and even helmeted but open face plate. The kin "helmets " look like soace suits domes
Personal opinion, the thunder kyn look like they should be drilling threw a mine as much as on the battle field. Only having armor on the side were your drilling. And I love it. I actually didn't like the previews of them but they won me over when I got them in my hands.
The berserkers are the only ones I would change. They need some type of armor to match them in with the rest of the line.. It can be light armor, but something to cover them up.
I wish the necromunda squat models could be used in LoV similar to how kill teams can in other armies or perhaps like imperial agents. It would give them a few more units. Additionally, getting Grendl Grendlsen would give access to a second naked character, and one who will probably be a gunslinger type unit like the hexmark destroyer or the kelermorph. Probably not as good as they are, but also much cheaper to potentially chip an enemy moving near him. I can imagine most of the ironhead prospector units having rules about mining for extra command points if they control an objective. The exo driller would be good to include too.
If I ever get a Hekaton Land Fortress my plan with it would be to replace the wheels with Ambot legs.
I always find it hilarious when i remember Grimnir is the name of the dwarven fire god in AoS and the one thing stopping the 40k model being used as proxy is the fact he's wearing pants.
Grimnir is the wargod of the dwarfs, in fantasy, he's still just a warrior God in AOS, but he fought a god of fire and a monster, that's why his bois now set themselves on fire
ROCK AND STONE!
I think the Heckaton would have been really good if it had four independent caterpillar tracks rather than wheels.
I like how they made the berzerkers weapons glow orange,im beting thats a refrence to the fantasy slayers.
I don't mind the Sagitar looking a little squishy. I see it as like a recon vehicle more than a light tank and they tend to be designed to discourage the crew from picking fights, like the open topped British recon cars.
This will be *short*.... get it *short* because there is not many Votann and because their Space Dwarves, I'll see myself out!
Well, I'm *stumped* at how people like dwarves so much, but I don't know *squat* about them so it's best I don't *Stoop down to that level* and *look down my nose* at them and say something offensive.
Like how fat they are.
You have earned yourself a token :p
@@haraldbredsdorff2699 Did someone say Tolkien?
@@Duppyman695 what are we tokin' on?
Completely agree with your comment about the more time you spend with the miniatures the more they grow on you. Would love a land train model for them. There is a hitch on the back of the Land Fortress and be cool to have a trailer. Make it impossible to move around the board but rule of cool should always win
With the Heketon, it also could've been good with a sort've 18-wheeler look, where there are wheels on the underside as well.
Here's some head cannon for the cockpits sticking out further than the the roll-cage: perhaps those bulges can retract into the vehicle if it tips over, but when in use the protrude to give the occupants better visibility.
imo the Votann hit the "vikings in space" look far far far far better than the Space Wolves
Space wolves are Hollywood Vikings, Votann are closer to actual viking aesthetics
Excellent wizard's sleeves.
Wizard sleeves make my bolter become the stalker bolt rifle
I also like that the look of their standard armour looks somewhat like the Tau troop armour as a possible callback to when the old lore had Tau and squats allied or working/trading together. Even has the same 4+ save.
In some ways I agree about the negative aspects of the vehicle designs. As a counterpoint: I kind of like to imagine that there is also an inner roll cage that the metal veins of the bubble are attached to so they are reinforced enough to handle the abuse you're talking about. Also I assume that not to be glass and likely some sort of quartz armour (like what the SR71 black bird has) or transparent metal of some sort. Also having a weakpoint like that isn't unheard of in real life. One of my buddies was in a humvee when they were flipped from an IED and the humvee landed on it's top, squishing the top gunner since the strap they sit on doesn't have any give.
I kinda like the bug aspect of their vehicles similar to burrowing beetles and I like to imagine they put an overshell on top of the main chassis for better protection and complete the beetle look. When I get my army built, that is going to be a modification I do.
Yes! More range review! Maybe range review for the orruks now the new ironjaws are here?
The votann doesn’t have much, but they have enough to stand on their own as a competent army.
One thing I have been trying to find out is how compatible the basic Leagues guys' kits are with the Necromunda Squat Prospectors. I know not all of the weapons port over to their house list, but I'd like to see if I can make some interesting kitbashes for Necromunda
I’d say the proportions are about the same but the squats are a bit more… bloated?
They’re just a bit chunkier. But if you’re good at bashing I’m sure it’d be fine. Aside from the aesthetic differences.
@@reginlief1 I think I'm gonna make the Hearthkyn my Champions/Leaders, and use the Prospectors for regulars/newbs- just so they have a different thing going for them.
I already do something similar with my Enforcers (Use Arbites for Leader/Champs and Palanites and Subjugators for Patrolmen/Rookies) and kinda something with my Van Saar (Basically Leader/Champs just have full masks and more 'gubbins').
The Squat kit (IIRC) has sorta ball joint arms, where the Votann have flat surface. Otherwise, stuff looks like it should work, though using Squat weapons will be harder, since the hands are part of the handles on the hammers and stuff
@@ravenlord_xix I can work around the weapons for the most part. Worst case scenario, I can get creative with gun barrels and magazines and swap some things around. Melee weapons are generally easy or not much of a concern.
Squats in Necromunda are much more 'stumpy guy with a lot of shots coming at you'.
Just as a thing, the hearthkyn and hearthgaurd do have options to give the full squad helmets.
I've been looking at getting a Sagitaur to use as a Palanite Enforcer vehicle for Necromunda Ash Wastes games, it gives me future police car vibes but I'm a bit unsure of the scale compared to a full size human mini.
Votann are an odd one in my personal opinion, they have to be careful not to step on the toes of the space wolves aesthetic and have a bit of a more deep rock galactic feel than your classic dwarf, but dont feel very dwarf-y. Would have hoped for a more angular style, like the iron hills spearmen in a sense. Still cool space dwarves though and i did fall in love with the Kahl model
Nah Kiri, on the exo suits its not cost cutting. Think of them as mining equipment. They're only going to armor the side facing the rock face as its drilling
I love the whole range, I just wish there were more to the ranve
My main issues are that hearthkyin and Einhyr haver the same heltmets. Einhyr should have something else. Also I don't know if they come with a storm bolter but they should. Finally, this is just my preference but those accelerators found on the Einhyr champion need to be standard issue (the grenade launcher should come x2 and maybe a third option with nano Lascannons). The other one is that GW missed the opportunity to have a stabilized Archeotech Butcher's nails on there Cthonian Berserks, something they can turn on an off or write some lore and emphasize on the tragedy of World Eaters and their primarch's fate.
I mean the Beserks do have Cyber-Stimms, which are administered to increase combat potency. It’s probably a similar effect to a temporary butchers nails, but it’s not literally related.
Not a bad idea though. I’d put money on them getting a leader unit, so maybe an opportunity there.
The Votann have some great character models and the rest of the range is undeniably one of the ranges available for sale.
We definitely need more units for the Votann, they don't even have a flyer!
ironically despite my name and focus on orks, after finally being able to buy boxes and have a local place to play em? I picked votann
because i always like dwarfs THEN orks
For me, Votann are still finding their feat aesthetically. What we have is a good start, but I've seen a lot really simple Votann conversions using AoS dwarf kits that give them that traditional gruff, beardy boost they desperately need.
I still don't like the pioneers at all though. They look like street sweepers. Honestly, the one unit I really want back is the land train.
Hazard stripes would help sell the "industrialized miner" aesthetic. And why yes, i am an iron warriors fan, why ask?
Have you seen the new champion model they showed off?
I love the Votann models, but I do not understand why they have not aded more models.
If they could have just imported the necromund models, and we would have gotten squat heartgurd, jouth squats and a sort of dread model. And they could have added a transport from squat.
Of course, if gw had been willing to borrow others ip's, we could have gotten gunner, driller, scout and engineer from DRG, but unfortunantly, gw want to own all ip's they use.
Drillers special rule is putting c4 on the scout
How the hell have i never noticed the the grenade lauchers on the hearthguard.
You are the man !
I subed at no intro no music.
My only real problem with the Hekaton is that it feels like the wheels are too small and narrow. But this is a range that desperately needs it's second wave. They don't have a dedicated tank, no artillery, they're an incredibly slow moving short range army.
I’d love for them to have a tank like the StarCraft siege tanks.
Exactly! The complete lack of BEEEG GUN is what is mostly stopping me from liking this faction
I love the look of those old land train giant canon things from the squats. To see old pictures from those and then only being able to pick up these moonrover looking things is just such a large difference that my brain has never been able to fully cope with, even if these new vehicles Arent actually horrible or anything
I was looking forward to that Forge World Krieg range review, but more and more models have kept disappearing from Forge World since then much to my chagrin. 💢
I don't like no helmet options. I'd prefer the option for a full squad helmeted. It's a war and I can't stand seeing that my army could be wiped out with headshots from basic weaponry.
Old I know, but there are enough for them to all be helmeted
But Kirioth , the real question is .. why is your cart empty , this is not acceptable for GW :D
im still mad they are more space wolf than the current space wolves
Oh yea StarCraft
I find the vehicles to be the worst part of the range. They look realy flimsy to the point that the adapted imperial civilian vehicles that the genestealers use look tougher.
The lack of beards and runes offends me, not dawi enough... thats going in the book
The biggest problem I have with the range is the lack of beards. A dwarf with no beard is no dwarf at all.
Not every dwarf has to be Tolkien, and it looks a bit silly in sci-fi imo
I literally stole heads from $5 D&D miniatures as well as used green stuff for my Votann leaders.
@@Jason-gq8foevery dwarf needs a beard, it's not tolkenism, that predated Tolkien by thousands of years
Gosh they're just so dull.
Range?
Do 5 units count as a range?
Ask Custodes players
Not a big fan of them sadly. I was expecting much more. The main reason for me is that their faces look so ugly and the helmeted options are boring imo
Hate the name Grimnyr tho, the lore and model itself seems to better suit being named after Grungni. The whole thing just smacks of GW having to make sure every single unit name can be trademarked
Grimnyr was one of Odin's names, so if anything it's a reference