How to Replace a Defective Copeland Compressor in a Rheem 4 ton Outdoor Central AC Condenser
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- Complete with mistakes….Uncut. Unedited. Raw. Complete step by step compressor replacement in a Rheem Central AC outdoor condenser.
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In the third party commercial world.....whenever I write up a compressor for replacement, I stress that most compressors do not die from natural causes. Indeed.... most are murdered. I always mention that there are several potential causes of failure, and those causes cannot be identified until the defective compressor is replaced with a working compressor. Those potential causes include: 1) dirty condenser coils, 2) clogged or defective metering device(s), 3) overcharging by other contractors because of the metering device, or restriction other than the metering device, and 4) power or capacitor problems. The client or trade specialist or rep then understands that there will very often be a follow-up quote once the causal factor has been identified. If the dryer which was replaced during the compressor replacement is severely restricted, then often no other cause is found, but we need to make the customer aware of the potential additional costs BEFORE the work gets approved. In some cases, knowing that additional work could nearly double the repair cost, the client will ask for a unit replacement quote as well so they can give the store corporate all of the available options.
I see a lot of bad compressers from oversized units that short cycle a lot.
@@jph77 I'm sure that happens in residential, as overcapacity installs are commonplace.
@@arthouston7361 I tell people all the time bigger is not better but they don't believe me and trying to convince them otherwise is too much of a hassle. So they oversize it and wonder why some rooms in the house still feels hot....SMH
@@jph77 When people ask me about sizing, I explain that the smaller system takes longer to achieve the setpoint, and that longer run time allows for greater removal of water from the air, which makes you more comfortable even if the dry bulb temp is warmer in a given room. I use the analogy of stepping out of the bathroom after a shower, and how cold the hallway feels. It is because of the evaporational cooling happening on the surface of the skin. A dryer house allows for more skin evaporation, and it feels much cooler than a cold, clammy house.
U did not mansion oversized equipment do to undersized ductwork , like is here in Illinois 🙈monkey pox
A man that admits his mistakes. Respect, Mikey…….Respect✊
I just turned this on and as you closed the service ports I yelled at you through my TV no don’t shut that off you need to evacuate that too but you didn’t hear me lol but all in all awesome video great teaching and funny as hell you’re awesome
When I saw the old filter drier I thought "Well that's odd that he didn't change the drier." Then when you said you forgot, one thing popped in my head. "A good technician is aways observant of their surroundings." I have to say I was proud of myself that I caught it before The great Mikey Pipes. lol We all make mistakes but in the end you caught your mistakes and fixed them. Keep up the superior service and amazing content!
I knew it you were in to much of a hurry it's all about TIME !! I respect a man that has TIME at the front of his Mind ! Slow your process down just a bit and your Golden !!
When you pull the Vaccum how does one prevent the POE oil from leaving compressor? This is the part where I get all confused. Also new condenser units come pre-charged I also wonder how they pull the Vaccum and not lose oil before charging prior to sales?
The fact you keep it so real is so refreshing. I just started my own company and it’s not all sunshine and butterflies, don’t get me wrong most jobs are smooth and exactly how I thought they would go, but others you can make one small mistake and be set back a bunch. you own up to all the little miss haps that happen and it shows very honorable character. I really appreciate all you show and it’s really helping me grow as a new company. It also give me a good goal to get my company to I can’t wait to have all the up to date gear like you have, not like most my hammy downs. Thanks from the other side of the country, Portland Oregon.
Mikey, your nitrogen flow was a little confusing to me, you still had to plug in the compressor for the discharge line you were feeding in nitrogen but it wasn’t escaping the compressor. No hate, just love the see real techs make real mistakes.
Hey Mikey pipes. Love the content! It takes a real man to admit their own mistakes and it takes balls to put it out public. One thing I usually do when I replace compressors is cutting the pipe as close as I can on the compressor side then unsweat the rest off. Love your vids man. Always learning everyday.
When you said in your summary "Don't be calky"
Chris looked at you Mikey with three eyes.
We all know you're cocky!!
but in a confident good way.
Love your stuff
Learned ALot!
Don't block me🤔🤣
Lol I was yelling at the phone but unfortunately you didn't hear me. Also saves a little time recovering through vapor port and flip tank upside down. Nice work bro
I was yelling through my phone when you close the service valves
I wouldn't have blamed you for the dryer though
😫😫😫🤡🤡🤡
@@allstarheatingandcooling113 its a big issue if it is what killed the compressor. Stuff happens but always replaces the dryer, do a acid test.
Yes alot of the time we get caught up in the moment. I was going to say your better off recovering all refrigerant. Doing acid test and recharged with virgin 410. But theres no way were all perfect. I have seen big mistakes with techs in the industry 20years so it happens to the most experienced.
King valves and Service valves are different. You don't see King valves on modern units, they were mostly used on Carrier products. King valves, did not have schrader valves in them, you had to close them slightly to get pressure to the line ports. Service valves have schrader valves in them, so all you have to do is put your hoses on them. I always hated King valves, because you always had to have a service wrench to check pressures. Good video, everyone has screwups it how you handle them that matters.
Wrong! King valves exist on all condensing units...what your referring to is a 3 position service valve usually on older carriers...
I know this is late but just wanted to add. King valves were used when air conditioning became popular in the 1970s. They functioned as both Schrader and service valves. The Schrader valve married with a parker valve is much cheaper to manufacture.
Good video
But I did not see any quick Qwick check acid test.
Also is good to put hot block on the compressor special discharge outlet because there is a sensor on the top of the scroll compressor.
this is how the field is for many years of experience mistakes always occur and from that you learn, and it is about not making them once you know the correct process.
One suggestion I would have to eliminate a possible mistake would be to just carry and use bi-directional filter driers. That way, you don't potentially install the filter drier on backwards, and you would be prepared for the heat pumps. We are all human. We all make mistakes. Have a good one! 🤙
Bi flow are usually just for heat pumps but it will work for sure
The worst part of compressor replacement is the trapped gas that turns into fosgene gas when you disconnect the lines
I usually pull a quick vacuum on the system to help with this problem
Thanks dude. You did great. I'm an electrician and I have made mistakes too. And I went back to review the error you saw. I get it. The there aren't service ports inboard of those king valves. So it needed the whole system drained and vacuumed etc. I don't I would make that one because as a newbie I'd be checking every move I made. But here is what I wish to comment about today. This compressor was likely in good shape electrically, would have passed winding tests etc but it failed to compress air. I believe I have the same thing going on here now. And I'm gambling on a new compressor because it's been hard to gather anything on this good motor bad compressor situation. More , even a whole show on diagnosis of this trouble. Thank you.
Mikey pipes love the uncensored channel could you share some more of your trailer park up bring and tell how old you was when your first cousin popped your cherry at the trailer park
Neither one thanks for asking iam a camel toe guy not a switch hitter from the trailer park like you
It’s OK to make mistakes when you’re just learning come in from plumbing and have not grasp all the basic concepts yet of HVAC.
80 foot line length have you read the installation manual supplement for extended line length ??
Cut open and inspect the compressor possibly see the top surfaces of the scroll ground away and signs of lack of lubrication from floodback ?
Long line length I’m going to gather there was no one-way check valve added in the liquid line ?
Think I noticed no heater blanket on the compressor to prevent flooded starts ?
Did you pour out and measure the amount of oil that should be in the compressor to make sure the evaporator is not log with oil that left the compressor but did not return ?
I was not going to mention the filter dryer. Like watching your videos as you progressive long and become better and better as you learn it’s a process.
You remind me of my first old boss in general contractor in construction you guys must be brothers from another mother lol 😂
That unexpected extra high high side head pressure you may want to test for non-condensables ?
why don't you have a checklist for installations, so you don't forget something or do it out of order?
Gotta keep the “fool at the pool”Mikey! We all have off days but
keeping sharp senses is key to getting the work done right once, not twice. Have a good weekend pipe dr crew!!
Lmao I was watching the video , and I’m going ,there is still Freon in the compressor .
I was wondering what you were doing lol I was waiting for a big white cloud when you started sweating it out 🤣. It happens we all make mistakes
I was watching the brazing of the suction line to the compressor, happy to see the use of nitrogen and wondering how the nitrogen was being vented since the rubber plug was still on the discharge line connection on the compressor. I always worked alone and therefore never could have turned over a compressor replacement in such a short time as you both did! I wondered also about the dye in the system has indicated an on going leak issue with the system. I don’t think you could have pulled a proper vacuum if there was one.
A little brazing tip for your boss, Refrigeration supermarket technician here upon brazing highly recommended that you heat the inner diameter pipe up evenly first allows that heat to penetrate the piping to the center of the fittings, and then start heating up evenly around the outside until you get that nice color change and then apply the brazing rod evenly and the capillary action like in plumbing
Thanks for making the videos. Extremely relatable and entertaining as someone who works in the heating and cooling industry in south florida, well not too much heating down here but you get the point. Much appreciated 👍🏻
This is by far the best of the best when watching instructional videos. Step-by-step, one is shown exactly how to accomplish work on HVAC units. Mikey Pipes has to be commended for his meticulous display of professionalism. Much appreciated.
I used to sweat out all the compressors that I just cut the lines as close as I can.And it's a 100 times more efficient I no longer sweat out my copper. Also I was very confused when he started closing off the service valves. I was like something's not right lol thats how you trap all the refrigerant in the condenser. I was waiting for the big boom when he started sweating out the copper...
I didn't know what you were up to when you started by closing the valves. Also I wouldn't unbolt the compressor until I pulled out the refrigeration lines, otherwise it would probably be moving around on you
Rookie !! Mistake !! :D haha just another Day in Mikie's Wirld !! Your the Best Mike for showing your mistakes also !
I saw when you made that mistake. The whole time I was thinking he cant do that and then sure enough you fessed up to it...the only way that would work would be if it were a heat pump you could recover just the compressor through the true suction port since it goes to the compressor and condenser only...
I saw it as soon as you did it and was about to comment but decided to keep watching first. May be a dumb question at this point but I am guessing you did open the king valves prior to flowing nitrogen?
At first when u were front seating the service valves, I said oops no dryer. But then u figured out. Love the videos. Air Force needs his 608 lol
Oh man Mikey had me on the edge of my chair when you put that torch to the discharge line with all that pressure. Don’t understand why you didn’t isolate and use those service ports in condenser?
Hope he opened cutoff ports he previously closed or there was no nitrogen flowing to compressor fittings when he brazed them.
I may be wrong but closing valves only allows for removal of refrigerant from lines and evaporator.
That’s all right you fixed it and Seattle they make us put vinyl on the damn lineSet to protect the armor flex
no worries your better than i ever were ,you were doing alot filming over seeing the kid all at once big show ,great job
I love the AVE safety squint reference
We love ya mike nice job I did the same thing today unbrazing a compressor all good its the ability to put it back together and make it right f all the haters
On my last compressor I fit up my compressor.....then cut it out in a spot where I could put an RLS coupling on the suction and discharge. I then removed the compressor and brazed the piping outside the condenser in a more accessible spot and pressed it in at the couplings. Worked well. My only concern was how the discharge coupling would hold up. Only time will tell.
Mikey pipes, got an idea. You showed your kneeling pad in this video. Let's bring your pad and trolls together by making a personal kneeling pad with a trolls face, so when you kneel on it, your knee is digging into there face. Hey maybe you can sell troll mats called HATERS!. Once again, great content, keep it up.
thought you were going somewhere else with that lol
@@Lewdacris916 Jordan, I missed this. What where you guys thinking?
@@Lewdacris916 Jordan I believe I now see what you and Mike thought lmao, wow
Awe, Mike I luv ya bruh. Trades, Yo!
I’d never troll ya, but I will shade.
A lot of rookie mistakes here my man. At least you fest up and that’s honest.
Was totally like huh didn’t know that worked like that when you closed the king valves😂😂
Great video Mike that’s why I love your channel you keep it raw and uncut you’re a good man professional you’ve met to your mistakes hey things happen we’re all human but you did the job with quality can’t get any better than that stay safe and enjoy your pool time with your kids
Shit happens. Ive made all the same mistakes many times. Showing those mistakes to me makes it a real step by step video. I watch your videos your a very good tech!!!!
Man your videos are very informative plus you don't edit if you forget or missed a step and that's keeping it real. I'm new in the HVACR field mistake will happen. Keep up the good work 💪🏿👍🏿
dude!!! i thought i was efin idiot thinking that closing the valve would only get the charge out of evap and line set. hmmmm. i was right all along. but hey! i am glad you made that mistake. i learned from yours. still win win for me.
Removing the controls panel is a great idea beats leaning over top the condenser thanks
Not really, on smaller units it just makes more unnecessary work.
If your head pressure was that high them that compressor won’t last. Should’ve checked the metering device and for kinks. These rheems dont like long runs either. I always upsize the line set on 4 ton to 10 rheem splits
I cringing when u were brazing the compressor w the pressure in it
Dude lmao . U had me questioning everything Iv learned . I was searching up how king valves work and everything. I gotta changeout my own compressor today and was like wait I can isolate just the condenser to only remove the refrigerant from the condenser lol . Great video man . U have a new subscriber here . Great video bud
Great video like always. Our company makes us replace all refrigerant with a compressor replacement. I'm sure you guys did a thorough check for any leaks on the coils before completion.
Why check….that’s another service call….
@@wayneguy6043 I hope your kidding. Mike and the guys seem pretty solid. Most reputable companies will let the customer know all problems going on with the system. Per the diagnostic fee ,we check everything so no surprise expense for our customers. I know somethings will need to be repaired/replaced for proper operation of the system.
I understand what you were trying to do by isolating those lines, and i was thinking so hard how that was going to work?? Lmao, i was being dumb too.
I watch your videos every night. I'm not a tech at all, but I just find them interesting! You seem like a very honest, and talented tradesman.
Very good job, also much respect for admitting the mistake, none of us are perfect!
@@PipeDoctor you still did a very good job
Not sure what to say... "how not to replace a compressor". My apprentice got a good laugh.
Thanks for making those mistakes. It helps us out when we have to replace one . Thank you muchacho
Another great episode ! Thank you fellers can't wait to see the air balancing
The only thing I saw that I didn't like was reusing the 410 A. Always use new refrigerant with 410a.
Why did the vacuum pump stall?
mikey pipes weve all been there, id be lying if i said i always changed the line drier on a evap or compressor change
Just keeping it real, thank you for also keeping it real
If not for these antics, it would be a good video :)
Lol Close call Mikey....it happens...I was like DOH WAIT!!. thats the Testos i wanna get!!
@@PipeDoctor maybe someday ill have a set lol
Mikey as soon as you closed your king valves I was like your doing it wrong lol. Oops big dumb dumb mistake happen nice torch set up
Mike, next time you need to unsolder a fitting try wiping it down with the stay bright flux first, it should prevent the snot. Also a quick question, how was there nitro flowing though the compressor when you had the rubber plug in on the opposite side?
@ the start I was wondering wth locking the valves down trapping gas in the condenser an compressor change out .....
Great video showing a real world experience. I am just at 13:46 where stuff moved a bit and I am wondering what happens.Resolved at 15:05.
14:22 and how about using some heatblocking compound, like wetrag?
If I may ask, "What is the 2000 watt AC inverter used for in your work vehicle?" I enjoy the honesty of your videos. They are very informative and enlightening.
I prefer to change gas, too, because it's mixed with gas that has lost its properties.
One little if it was possible I would put the filter dryer inside.
Great video !!! I noticed you didn't use any wet rags while braising . Do you need to use wet rags while braising . I notice it takes a lot longer to heat up the copper when you do .
Mikey you are going to get a surprise with refrigerant you still have pressure stored in condenser by front seating service valve’s
What a nice video, l love it, keep that positive attitude. We human, it’s normal to forget.
Thank you for the learning lesson while laughing.
Well said!
lol raw uncut nobody got hurt
Love your content. Add site glass so you would have know about the uv dye immediately.
Great videos bro ! !
It’s difficult to make a video and do everything exact. Even if your not making a video there is a process to doing it all
A true hack would not stop and replace the filter drier...They would just say you don't need one because there was no leaks
HI Dr Pipes, when you are outdoors/ outside. The base level surface you stand on or walk on is the "Ground" indoors or inside it is called the floor. I really hate being a grammer nazi. But this really grates with me. The British Police are the worst, they're telling a foreign national they want to arrest to get down on the floor, and even he with English as a second language knows that ain't right and looks at the cop with a big fat question on his face. ( being informative not chastising) and I feel for you with the amount of headache jobs you get to discover in your area. Keep Up the good work. Smile Peter Mikey is not going to hit you over the head with a number 10 pipe wrench.lol
Mikey great content as always and thanks for the laughs as well. Great job
Mike forgetting the filter dryer happens to me all the time But you solve the problem and you got the job done which is good
He did the right thing
@@PipeDoctor u right u right
I was increasingly confused when you were closing the king valves I thought I had it wrong this whole time.
Mikey da Hack 😂
@@PipeDoctor 😂😂 c’mon can’t take a lil ball breaking?
Did you offer them an extended compressor warranty usually available from your local parts house?
@@PipeDoctor sometimes you just gotta do the tailgate warranty!!
PPE??? Didn't see any! All I saw was shiny Cuban Link gold bracelets??? Lol
THE FREAKING FILTER DRIER!!! THAT'S IT!!! TO THE GALLOWS AT HIGH NOON!!!
MISS MOLLY WILL BE OPENING THE HATCH 😂😂😂
I was cringing so hard when you put that torch on there. Glad you noticed before she blew
I actually had another tech condemn a compressor on an older unit he had done some work on and closed the isolated valves and forget to open them. So it would blow the breaker immediately on start up. So he recovered the charge and my manager sent me back the next day. I was about a year in so I went back thinking it was recovered did exactly what you did and it blew right in my face. Did nothing to me except stain my shorts haha. But dam that thing blew
That was a can't see it from my house video!🥴🤣🤣
Thanks again for the videos 🥃🍺
good job and you are also a best entertainer.
Aw, shucks! I'm blushing behind the camera. Thanks for the kind words!
Chuck in the truck or Stan in the van. Lol. I didn't even noticed the filter dryer. Until u said it.
@@PipeDoctor Did a maintenance last week on a Friday. Called out Sarurday to same customer. Their AC wasn't cooling. All it was doing was blowing warm air. Go out to the condenser it isn't coming on. Tested for power at the contactor no power look at the disconnect and there set the fuse on top of the disconnect box.
Just curious Mikey why didn't you braze the elbow closest to the compressor 15:30 outside before install then braze the final connection on the 7/8s line 14:45. If I had to venture a guess, you placed the unit inside to rough in the elbow and its less effort to leave it all in there to be braze.
LOL A good technician is cognizant of his surroundings and corrects his mistakes as he makes them. Don't worry you're only human, Mikey. How hot was it you might be able to also claim being *delirious.* That said I think these Ruuds may not be that great I replaced one a few months ago due to no pumper, compressor just spinning eating 18amps of energy all day long for the fun of it.
Could you also use staybrite 8 on that compressor install rather than braise and then you would not have needed to flow nitrogen? Just curious on the limitations of what you braise vs what you can use staybrite on.
I wondered the same thing…
Although StayBrite-8 could prob handle a high vibration connection I would feel better about a regular silphos joint right at the compressor.
i may have missed it but if the compressor was bad why reuse the refrigerant did you test it prier ?
I've only had one Can explode on me.
It was a Trane rooftop unit it happened during a maintenance and I was running it through first and second stage cool. I Heard some weird harmonics coming from it at first but it didn't sound smoked "No marbles in a can".
About a minute and a half later before it the second stage cool I smell that very distinctive "brazing a filter dryer smell".
About two seconds later the whole winding exploded out of the can mixing with oil and refrigerant to make a flamethrower like electrically charged death beam 4 or 6 feet long out of the unit on the compressor access side.
The disconnect was about 4 inches away from where the death beam was so I couldn't shut it off less be burnt to a crisp or fucking electrocuted dead with some kind of electrified fiery noxious death cloud.
Fuck me no breaker tripped it just arc flashed and burnt like that until there was no more refrigerant inside, Just watched the full payback of that 8 ton rooftop.
I just backed up and watched the show and thank God I wasn't looking at my gauges unaware right before the fucking thing exploded...
so moral of the story is now when I'm testing three phase rooftop units I never stand in front of the compressor section I'll stand off to the side and smoke a cigarette lol...
Another educational video, keep em coming. (no tip today what happened). $$
wait so is there a way to recover just the condenser/compressor side of the system or not?
Looks like a normal day for me! LOL
Copeland mobile is a cool app for cross referencing model #’s
I was going to say you only really need to pop the top to do any compressor, untill i seen how tall that unit is lol