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- Pulitzer Prize winning author, journalist and filmmaker Douglas Blackmon interviews former Brookings Institute managing director WILLIAM ANTHOLIS and global strategy professor JEFF LEGRO about the rising importance-and challenges-of India and its messy democracy to the U.S., the world economy and curbing terrorism.
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USA has no one to blame other than themself for India to align with Soviet Union. If USA had not supplied weapons to Pakistan, India would have remained neutral. USA is responsible for starting arms race in South Asia.
Christobanistan not that old... Only 45 years... A 45 year old man is not an old man...when India informed America about the terrorism in Pakistan... Americans denied any terrorism in Pakistan calling law and order problem .. Until they had 9/11 ... You don't learn till you experience losses
Actually the US wanted India to join with them. It is India that said that they were going to be non-aligned. It is then that Pakistan was invited to be a part of CENTO and SEATO.
The centrality of non-alignment was the reason that Pakistan was accepted. Remember it was the days of the ‘cold war’, iron curtain etc.
@@Bhruguraj India actually informed way way way before about pakistan's true nature back even as early as 1969. Also what language is your username in ? Looks damn interesting.
@@sap268 i've heard about it but taaking sides would be so tough as during that time who knew what the other side would do to a developing nation had taken US side
Under Nehrus vision India adopted soviet style socialist reform which failed badly and we went bankrupt had to get bail out from IMF which resulted in adopting liberal reform and open up the market to rest of the world.
India is too complex for even western pundits. They think that caste system and federalism are holding back India. Until the British pauperized the country, India had accounted for 23% of world's GDP, even with the caste system. I am no apologist for the caste system, but it annoys me to see the westerners coming up with simplistic explanations.
Absolutely correct. They are so many poor people I have asked about if they ever faced or seen caste discrimination in India working in any office or even in temples, no one has every said yes. Caste discrimination is a product of illiteracy and too much power with rural landlords etc. In cities it has become more like economic discrimination and not caste based. My dad's office senior is from SC community (so called lower caste) and so many people in my college and even office have come from SC/ST backgrounds, but now with good education they are a part of the society and enjoy life with no such discrimination. For Americans who comment on Indian caste system, has racism completely finished in your so called first world rich, educated and powerful country???
British didn't pauperize something that was already a pauper.
Depredations cause tribalism, at least in our current times
@@dwaipayanroychowdhury7035 what do you call. 23% of world gdp before british plundered to less than 3% of world gdp by the time they left. you are right that its not pauperising. its much more than loot, plundering. actually there is no fitting word for few things like their looting and your idiocracy
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It's actually not a correct deduction
23 percent was prior to industrial revolution.
European nations which were industrialized in the 1800s could produce valuable goods in a shorter time frame and thereby increasing their domestic product whereas India remained largely agrarian so it quite natural that we accounted only about 3 percentage of world GDP in 1947.
"War against terror" is the funniest statement and the meanest joke by the americans till now....keep it up....waiting for more....
To the Americans on the panel(that means all of them}- USA and India fell out in January 1948 when USA joined UK in the UN in trashing the Maharaja of Kashmir's Instrument of Accession to India .It has taken more than 50 years for that antagonism to start wearing off.
It's not an Indian dilemma rather it's American. I hope that India do not forget the ways they were treated by UK who used it to build their empire for more than 150 years then split it into more than five separate country. US and UK it's time to stop thinking as if bullying is how you must treat others.
Royland Brooks Russia (USSR Then) was the Only Country that came to help India during the War against Pakistan in 1971.
US & UK sent their Navy to support Pakistan and to Destroy Indian Ports. Today, US & India can be Partners.. but can never be Trusted Friends.
@Adam LB read Indian History before making such stupid claims. Although it was divided in different states at that time, Indian civilization has the history of being united even with its diversity for more than 3000 years. As for our 1st Prime Minister, you do not have capacity to understand his greatness. You should read his books before talking about him. Yes, he had some flaws, but he also had some qualities that make him great.
@@prin1571 are u talking about nehru ...are u kidding me ..I can list thousands of faults ....in place of his achievements..Gandhi family did nothing for india ..
@@GavIsHti no I am not kidding. if you say that Gandhi family did nothing for you, I would really like to give you a list, but it is too long and I do not have that much time to elucidate. Second thing, yes definitely he had many faults, but then he was a human being, not God.
P.s. I think you are thinking too hard to find the faults, so I think you are a negative person in your life.
@@prin1571 I will also give don't deny those fact than.. aaah so when he did something wrong u r saying he is only human ..hiporcracy .. but I would love to see ur list ... And give my opinion
americans talking about india's carbon emissions is a joke.
have you been in US ??? i live here !! its so freaking clean !! the roads are clean !! greenery every where !! air is decent here !! cant even compare to major cities like delhi,bangalore or hyderabad !! please dont say ignorant things !! develop india !!
Mahesh Chandra at least we have signed the Paris climate deal... Have the Americans done that
suresh thota hey dude have you ever been to the US, people don't poop in the road showing their private parts, do you know the pollution level in India, where is the data for comparison .
Mahesh Chandra stay there.. never come back
Charam istar ka dougalapan dekho americunts ka.
Indian CEOs in US MNCs are doing little for India and are only serving US interests. I for one don't get too excited about this.
Sridhar Kaushik we should not underestimate soft powers ...much powerful that guns....for building relationships and foreign policy success
They are Americans, not Indians . They don't have Indian citizenship.
@@varg92 thats what he is saying
@@shhayar7003 Soft power simply doesn't exist if one doesn't use it.
I mean its still something. He is talking about that little part that says atleast he is Indian, even thought all financial earning and life lived are in America/West (most probably).
It says interaction atleast going above water I guess.
Like the gentleman said..India is like Europe based on culture and languages. Almost in every states different cultures and languages like in European countries.. Absolutely amazing place
Joke about Six Indians around the table.. and 6 Chinese around table is at 23:25 minute. Thank me by pressing like.
Historically USA is more comfortable dealing with dictatorships than democracies and that has been the problem with India - USA relationship. Now USA needs India more than India needing USA as China / USA conflict is around the corner and USA needs india on its side. While India will exploit this
Christobanistan: India and China have been neighbours for 5000 years and fought only one war. The 1962 war is a legacy of British rule. While European neighbours have fought with each other virtually every decade during this period. China and India are both cultural states and the day they resolve there border dispute they will form a NATO like alliance under BRICKS and give the west the run for there money in 21st century. I think you should get ready for Asian dominance of the world like it has been in 1700 years of the last 2000 years.
Its an insecurity being shown by USA to India for China has developed itself so far. USA had restricted India's development in various way in the technological world over the years. USA had developed China by exploiting its cheap labour and cheap manufacturing. But now its changing. China's labour costs are going high. China is focusing more concentrating its manufacturing industry for its own development and consumption thus its making USA insecure for race in technology and superiority with China and now trying to connect itself with India in better way to control china. If USA could it would try bring Xi's government through its resource.
Has USA been able to institute democracy in Libya or Iraq inspite of bombing them without UN sanction
CNN and other American propaganda outlet are soon going to make a short film on how lives have changed for the better in these countries after US democracy imposed on them.
....oh wait....
IT IS difficult to see India and US ever getting too close. Americans seem to have a low opinion of India. They refer to this part of country (where India is) disparagingly as the "third world".
Of course India was not always this poor. If you read Angus Maddison's research on GDP of nations forpast 1000 years which consistently shows China and India as the top 2 world economies (in that order mostly) up until 18th century when China was brutalized by opium wars and India was colonized.
Both India and China are great civilizations that will gain their rightful place in the world. These are reemerging market. China is already on way to becoming a super power seriously challenging US hegemony.
@Adam LB off course we are working smart and hard to make our country the best in the world. Kindly note that we have third largest economy in the world. However, history remains an important part of the benchmark as it provides an important lesson about what mistakes should not be made. But it is very difficult for an american to learn this thing as they do not have any sense of history and continue to make same mistakes.
@@prin1571 Third largest economy means nothing when it also holds the second largest population in the world.The largest population of malnourished children.Low literacy, sanitation, child marriage, nonexistent civic development!
@@dwaipayanroychowdhury7035 i agree with sanitation child marraige and the last one but malnourished children?its only bcoz of the population its not amongst the highest and literacy 80 percent of 1.4 b is pretty good indeed
I live in Trinidad and tobago with about 36 percent east indian and I can tell you the so call low caste indians are by far the wealthiest and most educated generally speaking
This is such an American analysis :)…..interesting in parts but extremely limited in scope due to their own assumptions and hero complex.Though much better than many others I have seen over time.One important part they almost always miss is that the reason India does not appear agreeable to the US at times is because they are not a country with vested interests(territorial expansion,religious expansion etc) which they are trying to manifest through US help.This is due to their own deep rooted philosophical history.So they are looking more for equal partnerships with countries that can enable even growth on both sides.And US has never understood this independence nor do they understand the Indian ethos, either political or social.
Good discussion. Had a major blooper though. Sonia Gandhis son, Rahul Gandhi was NEVER the most popular politician. He has always been the most laughed at politician, a national joke!
There is NO comparison between him,often referred to as the Clown Prince and Narendra Modi, Indias Prime Minister !
these guest are well acquainted with indian politics n demography, very refreshing to see the other side of media, good one
Even though i am not an expert on international affairs but i am very much interested in the global politics and global affairs. This forum i think did a great job of understanding the state of affairs when this forum took place in 2015. I am very interested for the same panel for a similar forum now since a lot of things happened since then. I would like to hear the deliberations on Mr. Modi's performances since then and also the new dynamics playing with the new American president throw in the mid's of all this along with more assertive China. I would love to hear from these experts once again.
Our relationship with the producer ended, but they still make the show. Head on over to their page and see if they have any more content. millercenter.org/american-forum
This is the most constructive discussion ,on tying to understand foreign culture, both ways . In my opinion.
Good interview. They had gone in detail and tried their best to understand!
India is a Great and Strong Democracy in the world Because Indian Citizens are Specially Blessed Hardworking Honest And Humble
These are interesting insights coming from US scholars. One must understand that territorial expansion is the core of Chinese leadership’s existence. A country that suppresses its own people’s voice (and history of revolutions) will always have an easy route to development. In India, unlike China, you can’t iron off the wrinkles so easy, or create a super highway to development in super short time. People’s interests go hand in hand with development. If it’s not in the interest of the people, development may have to change route. Free media and free voice, free access to information lets the world see India and India the world. And it’s a beautiful thing. People in China will never get to know why India provides so much promise. Development isn’t always about skyscrapers and super highways.
Americans cant talk of India without bringing in the caste system!
They don't know the country and they talk about something they heard in their school days!
How many of these participants here know that Modi, the present PM of India is from lower caste!
The caste system as it existed in the past is gone.
There is upward mobility for every caste provided you are able to educate yourself.
So a blacksmith's son does not have to be a black smith provided he can educate himself and qualify for a say Engineering or Medical college and can then become a physician or an engineer. there is no bar to this.
Sridhar Kaushik yes caste system is not as bad as it used to be.. But clearly you don't know about reality when you say caste system doesn't exist!! In cities it is not there much specially in younger generation but go to villages where more than 65% of Indians live.. There is still much casteism going on there...of course most incidents happened in villages don't come in media as media recides in cities. but caste system very much exists in large parts in India
Christobanistan No it's not.
My best friend is Brahmin and I am from Halba Tribe.
Keep talking bullshit. Caste system is as much alive as white people owning blacks with a leash in America right now.
People who think caste system is still alive probably also think jews are poor people
+Christobanistan it's not and stop spreading fake BS news.
What do you mean it's not? Most older people in the country still believe in the age-old caste system. Intercaste marriages are frowned upon in many regions. Dalits and other lower caste folks still face difficulty. Just because a few people have managed to break free of the chains of casteism doesn't mean there is equality for all. The Indian population must truly do away with the caste system and then later on with the reservation system. However, I believe it is simply a matter of time.
+Hrishikesh Menon do you even know that caste system is illegal in India? lower caste people get more opportunities on studies, jobs and medical care. so do your research before saying anything.
Wasn't the Indian Nuclear test done secretly from the world.
Man this interview is just at the point at the heart of the matter ! What indians what from USA, What USA should support to
Call center people who took calls did not know that Huston & Boston are not together! LOL !!! Of course, they are half a country away.
Fascinating discussion .... really liked it! .... :-) .... I do think US do need to try and understand the dynamics of both India and China since that will be one of the defining factors in geopolitics of the 21st century for sure .... really loved the discussion! .... :-) .... - From India! .... :-) ....
Hoping for a future.. Where US and India are more engaged on all the issues.. Regarding world peace and prosperity along with the economic progress of both the nation's.
US prefers one-sided benefits and gives a damn to others. They change their policies overnight.
I wish I could answer you from future but I'm dumb 😃
This show that they started fearing Indians
Brilliant panel and unbiased debate, liked the interview.👍
It is in essence fun to see foreigners trying to understand India. Most of the things said in this conversation lacked proper understanding of Indians & even Modi.
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I have a theory that the western defense/political analysts are generally 5 yrs behind the schedule of political status of India. Found that to be very true.
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While America is dropping the ball in every sphere imaginable (including Paris), we are the ones picking it up.
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But bottomline is, we need each other. And unlike what the guests say, we have much more incentive to be with the US than even remotely be pro-China. We wanna replace China in world markets & our trade with China is so lopesided that we do not consider it a favorable thing to save at expense of the US relation. You have to consider that dynamics as well.
India was ambitious ever since independence in 1947 the objective earlier was Distribution of Wealth where Profit and speed of growth was not a priority Capital investment was done by the Govt in Services and infrastructure so it copied the USSR role model and the 5 year plans for development moving from an Agarian economy to an Industrial Economy at this stage Pakistan clubbed itself with the US to use this Alliance in Thier India centric Enemy. Result 4 conflicts between both nations where Pakistan repetly lost & India restrained itself. From Britain to the USSR helped by rupee payment then to Isreal which complimented the Indian Economy the the US. India is very diffrent from Pakistan the latter is a consumer Economy while India has a manufacturing base. India is a Welfare State while Pakistan is a Security State. The Congress had a Socialist legacy and Narasimha Rao turned Indian orientation from Politics to Economy & Trade. Modi is a fierce Indian National Interest & is a Nationalist & Oriented to Industry Contemporary Technology which could be brought thru Defence Industry which prioritises Technology & alloys this to cascade to the other Industrial enviorment. He has combined the rich Public Sector Units with Private Corporate Industry combining High Capital Resources with Timeline & Economic viability & Efficency with Contemporary Technology from Overseas Specialists. With its manpower it neutralises PRC with the Asian Alliance making the US role easier. Provided the National Interest of both States compliment each other. India wants a diverse national supply rather than total dependence on the US since the US has a bad track record in the World. Just like the Evolution of Indian immigrant in the US he has a clear plan to do it domestically. The discussion is comprehensive & excellent. Thank you . Nathan Sekhar Sydney Australia. India has a huge young age population overseas spread globally.
The problem with India and America is they speak the same language. American and Indian leaders have constantly pissed eachother off very personally because they completely understood eachother. Not something that would happen with the Chinese.
Ha, ha.
That is funny.
I never thought about it.
The problem with USA is, they want to see everything their way.
If you believe in the sloppy analysis at 06:47 about India and Pakistan, and how their enmity derived from cold war - you know nothing about this part of the world.
These two man being interviewed know more about India than 99% of the Indians who commented down below.
Says who? The Americans know only what they want to. Rest is blank to them. They understood Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria too!
Says who
LONG LIVE INDIAN AMERICAN FRIENDSHIP AND MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING
INDIA IS GREAT AND STRONG
Nice discussion by gentlemen,but too difficult to understand India,we Indians are contributors,not destroyers,if God wills,one day Indian involvement will turn Afghanistan to be the most prosperous country in Asia,but USA must stand with India,else Afghanistan will always be under the pale of turbulence.
Look where we are now from 2014
Long live India USA Friendship
When Modi says he will do x he does x, when Xi says he will do x, he might do x/10, y, or even z. That's why you got an agreement with Xi but not with Modi.
Additionally, the US and China have polluted and released more carbon and developed. India emits a fraction of the carbon and they do not have the money to spare in this development phase, while US and China do precious little.
If you want why don't you sign a deal to have the exact same per capita CO2 emissions in US vs. India. I think Modi will agree.
India never tried to capture someone even we have jews in kolkata they are not willing to leave bengal thats the real india but US always tried to backstab .There is no friendship in international politics...anything good for our nation we will do it to the limit
I agree.
What a great TH-cam video of a book promo
Nice video
The people of US don't know of India because of the 'frog in the well' problem many US citizens suffer from! Their parochial minded public media is not any help either and keep the ignorant in perpetual ignorance. They should get out of the 'centre of the universe' feeling about themselves and look around the world to see what is really there on the planet. Oh, the people of this planet are not 'aliens' as their immigration department would want to classify us!! Casteism is no worse than the racism and the remnants of it in US! Sonia Gandhi's son, second most popular politician!? That is a joke! India adores ability and worships intelligence!!
Bro let them live in there world it's an advantage for us
Get Australia to sell uranium and guaran tee a steady supply of uranium to India. Combine this with extremely low interest rate loans. Let India reprocess the spent fuel and stop worrying about India making nuclear weapons. India has its own unsafeguarded uranium for nuclear weapons. This is the way to go if the world is serious about climate change and wants to stop it. There is simply no other way.period. One doesnt have to a rocket scientest to understand this. India is never going to sacrifice growth for climate change just as the world seems to be also doing.
Government figureheads are like correspondents, representatives and public speakers. They can recognize important issues. But belief should be in the right action of the maintenance of government services and processing. Balancing accounts. Communication. The ability to provide government benefits. The ability to maintain the country on both local and national levels. Believing in the right action of the flow of service over those who'd talk about these ideas.
Excellent stuff.
US wants every country to caw tau bow to them. India under Narinder Modi will not bend to any country. We r now masters of our own destiny, other countries can walk beside us or not at all. The west has to learn that the do not still rule the world.
I was surprised when India had a frontier problem w / kina and...India calls together to help... USA and Russia. I was perplexed,... how come? Big India (a continent), doesn't know that USA and Russia are enemies? I was amazed about the lack of this elementary thing ???? India, a great country in A.T. (Computers and Software) to not know that??? It's not possible. This was a shame for India. On the other hand, I have a lot of empathy for the smart and peaceful big people...of India. I hoped that this was a wrong mistake, caused by the STRESS of the imminent conflict w/ Chinese enemy... in the Himalayas.
“so called Islamic state" wow just wow..... What a coward
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racist terrorism went on for 200 years after the declaration of independence.. america is a not a model for any country on the planet
Uk is the main reason for breaking india into peaces.afghan pak bangla and some countries like malaysia indonesia thailand singapore combodia vietnam has been under south indian kingdoms.the name singapore has direct linkage with south indian language "tamil" meaning city of lions (singa=lion,pura=city)
Listion us guys we are the Creator of civilizations we never follow u if u want some space in future then follow us we are not going to follow u its harse truth for u but listoin this famous poem in sub continent Hunan Egypt Roma all destroyed but we still remains remains. For centuries many people's of words had been remained enemy's of ours but our civilization is still alive and always. that's the reality because we are seekers not blind believer .
India dont have muslim problems.
We have our problems stay out of it.
Wow this is good
Nixon was the worst point in the India-US relationship
27:19 ohh wooowww,this is interesting😮😕isn't?
And we did it ourselves, under your nose, in Pokhran.
India has gone so far and its still Big chunk of the British -_-
USA does not understand Bharatbarsha. They are not interested either! They can only act as business partners! Understanding Bharatbarsha will need a different approach from USA. Bharatbarsha will not be interested to align with USA for acting as their stooge either!
"Somewhat democratic!!" WTH is that?!? Does that phrase go for US too?
I'm just so fed up with this caste system bullshit. Americans must re-educate themselves about Asia and specifically India otherwise they would hv to lose their efforts aligning with India just like they lost face in Afghanistan.
USA aligns for short term gains like military access to Afghanistan etc etc and not for long term gains or principles. Had US been little farsighted they could have guessed, an Islamic State like Pak can never be a true friend of a Democracy specially against other Islamic groups.
India was forced to pick sides, but India always maintains a neutral stand and remains non aligned. In Indo Pak war we were pushed on side by UK and US and were helped by soviets. Still most Indians donot hold grudges. When US sanctioned us we developed our indigenous technologies and we are very thankful for that phase, cz that made us self reliant.
What they talking about:war on Terror? Lamo
How he slythily as a fox replaced world's largest democracy with world's populous democracy- lost the interest in the start itself. 😕
I am born in one of the only four clans baptised by apostle Thomas in India...and my clan was given priestly heritage so we controlled the church in India from fourth to seventeeth century as Archpriests who were also Archdeacons
Anchor should not speak things as facts if he doesnt know enuf. He corrected William that we cant paint with same brush.
Wow who would USA back?
Well this speakers are hollow in their analogy. Very unaware of the ground reality.
Sair india most Engenering graduate are joob lees or under paid job and doctor are undet paid job India. India top 3 highst paying job not secince graduate not highst paying job India .mostley highst paying job india Businesses major and accounting major
"race riots" hahahaha
St Francis went to Goa and convert people to Christianity.
Praise Jesus
Committing a genocide in the process! I don't think Jesus wanted that!! Christianity at all cost!!??
And to design ways to kill Indians through Inquisitions. Hell Jesus.
Jesus learnt Christian things from Buddhism
India is a great democracy, and we Chinese do not care for democracy; what is good for India is not anything that appeals to China, we do not want to be a clone of the west. If democracy so great why is India 5 times smaller than China ?
Is not you tube banned in China? What are you doing here? You sure you won't get arrested? India has freedom, you don't. India is one the most diverse country in the world. You can't control this diversity with Chinese model. India will catch up with china.
You also need know that Chinese company are investing billions in India. Have ever wondered why ?
youtube , Facebook , twitter banned in china and called themselves largest democracy..ridiculous
We do not compete with any other country, and do not have any hatred for any other country. We look more at humanity. This was the way of life that spread in Asia and Europe for thousands of years. Competition and hatred is created like religion to create division for their own power. We need to look to ourselves and the true ancient ideas, to create a safe society and to be more peaceful. India does not compete with China and admires it, but what we want is unity of humanity.
China is further along on the demographic/economic curve. You are older than India.
This is really good conversation 👍 but seriously i dint understand "what their topic was at the end of 55.22"
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It looks they understood Modi'Ji finally