Full Event - The United States, India and Pakistan: To the Brink and Back
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On February 26, the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at Brookings hosted an event marking the release of Avoiding Armageddon. Bruce Riedel discussed the history and future of U.S. relations with India and Pakistan and options for avoiding future conflagration in the region.
You can purchase and get more information on Bruce Riedel's book, Avoiding Armageddon, here: www.brookings.edu/research/boo...
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I beg to differ on one point with Bruce Riedel, USA didnot stand with India in Kargil War, it was Israel, in fact when India requested for help with satellite imagery of the border posts, USA scoffed at Indians, result of which India developed later its own positioning system
The United States pushed Pakistan to withdraw as soon as possible. President Clinton was firm in his discussion with Sharif: get out because this is your fault. This was the first time the United States took India's side in a conflict with Pakistan.
Because india is a most liar crutial Nation.even amrican intelligence are well aware of indian crutial.act.wbich.india have held in occupy jummu kashmir by indian cunning army
@@imranskyiers how Indian occupied Kashmir can u please enlighten us
We should have very big collaboration with Israel particularly in defence r n d
On just a single call, Israel sent a C-130 filled with Guided Ammunitions along with some technicians to integarate them with Mirage-2000 during Kargil.
US did not supported India in Kargil war.
It actively denied us GPS coordinates of pakistanis .
In response we developed our own GPS- NAVIC
Usa provided help through Israel , indirectly as they were ally of pakistan
@@rationalmkr1467 USA fought Against Pakistan through India..as USA and Pakistan were allys😃 how's this for a logic
@@nirhanh77 it means you don't know about kargil war , in kargil conflict all the satellite intelligence was provided by Israel after the direction of usa , you only know about 1971 war
@@rationalmkr1467 US president Clinton refused that they asked israel to help. israel was in bad blood with USA at that time because israel bombed and sunked USS liberty battleship recently. israel helped india because pakistan is a muslim fringe elemnt
@@rationalmkr1467so for Balance they sent Warships against Us😂
Don’t say anything bad about Pakistan
Pakistan is the most peaceful country in the world
Even Osama Bin Laden felt Pakistan is the most peaceful place on earth and chose to live there for more than a decade
Western actor like just watch the war.
Osama Bin Landen was hardly an expert on peace given that he has the blood on his hands of thousands of foreign civilians.
if Pakistan is peaceful then you are a terrorist.
Lol. OBL got a job promoting Pakistan
Don't people get killed for converting to Christianity now?
There is no port in Kashmir. Pakistan’s port is in Karachi. I hope this guy knows what he is talking. America never came to the aid of India, it was Israel
Port means a location dude get some knowledge
@@livediscussion1884 since you seem knowledgeable, what exactly is Pakistan's port of Kashmir?
@@livediscussion1884 😂😂 ignorance is bliss
Port here means port of entry or an access point..
Slip of the tongue I’m sure
'Pakistan lost all wars with India'
Give the man a clap!
Pakistanis are you watching ? Get out of your distorted history books and see how the world looks at you.
have some shame a nation 180 million is keeping a giant of a nation of a billion + people on its toes god bless Pakistan cross the LOC now and see you later apu
"a nation 180 million is keeping a giant of a nation of a billion + people on its toes" that is because of the self restraint India is showing everytime ...as mentioned by the speaker in the video
You have a lot to learn and need to understand that restraint has always been India's virtue but it is limited.Pakistan is not keeping anything at bay, although I'm glad that the pak leadership thinks so.The lack of any action or retaliation is because of past Indian leadership failures and not in the capability of your third rate military. The day India decides to retaliate you can be rest assured the pipe dreams of your pak army will be exposed and nothing on earth will be able to stop that retaliation.If you live in pakistan Its in your best interest that this doesn't happen.
Yes its keeping us on our toes in a very positive way.Because of your country we know exactly how NOT to be.
this guy did know any think go and search google Pakistan won 1965 war, 1999 war these are US stupid biased analyst
US has made pakistani(Jihadi) army more stronger(Nuclear) by providing them billions of dollars and experience to break a superpower.
The pakistan army needs to create an imaginary foe in order to stay relevant in the eyes of its people.
This is what India and pple of India facing since partition...
We explained this to whole world but few countries stood by us like Israel and Russia...but US, Britain,France and others supported Pakistan rest is history...
But now I appeal to total world audience to understand the seriousness in India coming from Pakistan...
UK is already turning into Englanidstan so they know now.
@@ZenithSSX France also changed its position.
But how things have changed now 😂
Pakistan was USAs favourite ally to stop the russian expansion. Pakistan is terrorist country but USA is the real evil what do u want USA to do
yup @@doki1146
Whenever Mr. Riedel is criticizing the USA, the interviewer interrupts him. That attitude hinders one from learning lessons.
fcking tru
True Pakistanis are still waiting for USS 7th fleet. 🤣🤣🤣
The Russians saved India, will India save Russia today and return the favour. 😃
@@justsain3236bro don't tell that .. u have guts to save from Russia.. ofcourse we Indians are not cunning we always help out true friends
Quite interesting to watch this again in 2023.
It would also be very interesting to have a retrospect of this and further discussion with Bruce on the topic in 2023, if feasible.
Kashmir is not the issue that divides us. It is religion. The two nation theory. Just same people, different ideologies.
Modi to Nawaz Sharif : May i tell u a joke ?...
Nawaz : Sure. ....
Modi : Kashmir...... !!...
Nawaz : I didnt get..
Modi : Exactly..!!..U never will ...;-)... (Infact, get ready to hand-over the part of Indian Kashmir u have been occupying....!!!
Abhijit Sood After 5 years
Nawaz Sharif to Modi: May i tell u a joke ?...
Modi: Sure....
Nawaz: Kashmir.... !!..
Modi: I didnt get..
Nawaz: Exactly..!!.. U never will... ;-).. (Infact, get ready to bury more soldiers of urs in the part of Kashmir u have been occupying...!!! )
+Abhijit Sood lol sice 1947 you are trying to capature the KASHMIR........its about more than 60 yeras lol come with facts..........
umair ashraf Hey dumb-ass, last time I checked all 4 wars are won by India. Case closed! Keep living in your alternate reality! You surely will get 72 virgins with kind of subjugated mindset! Read some neutral historians, will ya?
hahahaha nice joke lol.......keep day dreaming.....come with facts not with your fetish asssss......lol its your defense minister who announced to send your airforce for surgical strikes after 28 may 2008....ohhhh now its 2016...still waiting for your jets...lol go and come with facts not with your ass first learn to handle terrorist in airbases or cities which were rapped for four and 72 hours respectively....
GAY HIND
+umair ashraf it's occupied by Pakistan at that time the king of Kashmir asked for india help. converted idiots like you will never understand the facts .
you talk good about India, but help Pakistan. funny.
Yes, they think Papistan will help them resolve issues with Afghanistan. Living in fools paradise.
CIA funded pakistan for leading mujahideens to fight russia's occupation in Afghanistan,now these mujahids are well trained and dedicated to radicalisation and americans soldiers cant fight them in Afghanistan,so america started calling mujahid's organisations like taliban etc terrorists(which they always were)! So blame USA too when u talk abt terrorism!Funding matters the most and USA and Saudi Arab excel in it!
@@Deepak.kumared hey I'm from the future and what you say is true.
@@Deepak.kumared lol, right on the money!!
@@Deepak.kumared give this man a post in defense
America helped India in Kargil? Which hat did he pull that out of? I appreciate the lecture, notwithstanding that.
hello ,india buys them
pakistan gets them as aid
there is a big difference buddy
we r not "burglurs" like pakistan
Whole world's truth lies in hands of Pakistan Military 😂😂
This interview is stunning in its superficiality! Especially with regard to the pre and post colonial causes of Pakistani obsession with India. Brookings should have put him in a debate with Christene Fair, who is miles ahead of him on the issue. Pakistan still sticks with terrorism simply because it has worked for in 1947, when it was able to take over half of Kashmir with similar tactics; that are a mixture of deceit, perfidy and outright lies. It's even succeeded in defeating a UN resolution by perverting it to its advantage. It's professed insecurity about being swallowed by anti Muslim, hindu India is also belied by India's peaceful Coexistence with Bangladesh (erstwhile east Pakistan & with more Muslims than in Pakistan), even though it has no army, airforce or navy worth the name & is surrounded by India on 3 sides.
exceptional honesty and insight
After watching this conversation I can tell one thing for sure even Washington sucks ....They have made huge mistake by helping pakistanis from the beginning and I am not saying india was all hunky dory but just imagine how a person sitting too far can affect millions of lifes by just making Irrationality desions.
Every indian pakistani and rest of the world must watch this debate...👏👏👏🥰
Problem is this gentleman thinks US should keep equal relation with India and Pakistan, even after acknowledging Pakistan is supporter of terrorism. But, Expect other countries to side with US in Cold War.
A very knowledgeable & responsible man!
Every state has army, but in porkistan, the army has the state, thats the safest part
That's why Osama Bin Laden ,Masood Azhar ,Lashkars, Hafiz saeed prefer to live there.
Don’t say anything bad about Pakistan
Pakistan is the most peaceful country in the world
Even Osama Bin Laden felt Pakistan is the most peaceful place on earth and chose to live there for more than a decade
Mahabharat 🚩 akhand Bharat. Let's begun 🇮🇳😩🙏🕉️🚩
After the fall of colonialism, the world's challenge is Islamic terrorism - which was created by the combination of petro-dollars, American foreign policy, Islamic teaching and (some part of ) Pakistan. If the world wants to save itself from this peril, US should take lead to find an alternative to petrol, divide Pakistan into tolerant and intolerant regions (countries) and work with countries of the region. Let us hope peace will prevail in the world.
No wonder this discussions are going on in 2013...This world will remember 2014 and Indian elections!
Dear Bruce, due to US support to Pakistan financial and otherwise is making things worse. Now that the US has held back the support there is a chance that things will come on track with or without the war. But it seems that the end of the conflict is nearing. US was too worried with the Pakistanis saying they have nukes. But now that Trump has chocked the Pakistanis things have atleast moved forward. If the Pakistan issue is resolved , India and the whole world will breath free.
Always #pkmb.
Its#pkmkb not pkmb.
He got it wrong.. Kashmir is not the issue...its hatred of pak army on India is the issue...
We People on ground also dont like endia
@@tayztayz2318 look where u r now! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣beggars and terrorists! Nobody gives a flying fucc if u don't like India! Go kaboom for all we care, jahil mc!
@@tayztayz2318😂 Pakistani army mast brainwash kya hai
It is all for power and to loot the foolish Western powers thay don't have a clue!
Watching in February 2019 after Pulwama attack and Response
@RUNNER 626 No he will die of humiliation
@@jasimhafiz6867 With a collapsed economy PM house in rent xd
One City of India GDP is more then whole Pakistan.
FATF grey listed for doing t**orism
BLA TTP doing its work.
#sanctionpakistan in trending wohooo xddd
@@jasimhafiz6867 At mercy of foreign aid
If we see Economic condition of Pakistan in 2022, it is going get bankrupt
@@jasimhafiz6867watch it now in 2023 and pak is on a brink economic and political collapse
@@jasimhafiz6867for losers, mere existence is enuf😂
No More Turning Other "Cheek"...Now "Eye For An Eye"
and tea for a fighter jet ,,
@@venome447 one tea vs 93000 teas in 1971
@@venome447 and our pilot came home after having biryani and tea and yours came home in a coffin 🤣
@@venome447 Doosra banda ko maar diya jaahilon ne!🤣🤣🤣
It is called the truth - digest it or the future is very bleak for you !
What is the name of his book??
He kept saying India & Pakistan have to do it.
But how is it India's responsibility.
Every time we tried we got backstabbed by Pakistan.
5:39 correction needed port of Karachi not Kashmir
I think the Author is still tending to sits on the fence in reference to the Kashmir issue. He fails to mention where Kashmir was to be and how it got divided instead and what method was used... The complete issue being ignored. There is no point of this book or this discussion if the original content n the documents are not refered to and I think the solution is only and only if ICJ gets all facts and resolve it once n for. Important for Pakistan today is to recognise pak army will not any of your dreams to come true. Thanks US to keep them very well fed n funded. Trust me mate because of that support your dreams of a nuclear blast is now possible and world will never be the same ever again. Can't be any more honest with you American folks any more.
Thanks. Very good interview and agree to it to some extent as this is pre-Uri, attacks, thanks.
Very good question and answered very well. The Sir who is answering it very cool and clam which shows the great research for what he is saying
Doesn't he mean, Port of Karachi at 5:40
Jayanth Kumar yup he wrongly said kashmir
You are Absulutely Right !
At last, an American who really understands the India-Pakistan problem. If only the govts. of India, Pakistan and USA would listen to him.
indian govt. didn't need to listen to him
its only the pak and us govt.
I thought TH-cam was banned in Pakistan. Yet seeing a lot of Pakistani comments here.
Pakistani in USA and UK are responding
I love how Pakistanis ask essay type questions which are less questions and more monologue.
Where's he now?
This video is from 2013 and Modi became Prime Minister of India on 2014.... Things have changed.....
13:00. So true...
So, where are we 10 years downstream?
IT took 50 yyears to realize that pakisan is snake and never be trusted
I thought snakes are your GODS. How funny is that.
@@alikhan-qm2kw Well , guess who you consider a prophet, a self confessed pedofile!!! So why should a snake as god bother you?
@@alikhan-qm2kwThat's the kind of culture you have. Whenever someone shows your aukaat you resort to religious attacks. No wonder your ullu couldn't come and save your sorry ass*es.
However what do you say to Riedel's statement that Pakistan lost every war against India?
India hasn't won a war on its own. Check who supported them during these wars Pakistan fought on there own. Look Muslim don't believe in wining and losing wars. The reason you fear Muslims is because Muslim fear no one or any super power. Muslim if they wanted to can take over the world in 1 year. Which proves Islam is not what you and your friends would say it is but what you say it is will one day come because of what you say islam is.
@@TheLieDestroyer140 fear you?? Give this person a round of applause please! 🤣
@@TheLieDestroyer140 Islam can never be feared as it doesn't allow it's people to become developed.
I got your calls but I refuse it
Yes, very clear ! Please be afraid, veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy afraid !
Then why did you mention that they were giving Kashmir to Pakistan? And also why in Azad Kashmir or Gilgit Baltistan, there are no elections?
Failed State since Zia Ul Haq and this is now irreversible.
watching in 2023
2024😂
1971 brooking failed to convince Kissinger on India's conventional wisdom. thump up to moderator.
the introducting lady had such a villanish smile on her face
Right
Sir we are in state of resolve
All these prophecies so many years ago :)
One Correction : It's not Pakistan's port of Kashmir it's Karachi. Kashmir is landlocked. Thought my ears were playing jokes on me when I heard him.
Go ahead fight
We pakistanis love american blonde girls even our prime minister loves blond girls he married one and he has a new one who is a Pakistani now
Basically we all love america and we love to come there happily
We don't hate america
Most kind and nice people I met ever are people of United States. The survey is wrong in regards people to people relation. It could be wrong in towards of policies.
Bruce did not mention a change in the dynamics of Indian politics.. Narendra Modi is not Vajpayee or Manmohan..
+Ash Kumar The video is of 2013. Modi became PM in 2014
Ash Kumar another Mumbai & modi will teach Pak a lesson they won't ever forget
Ripudaman Verma another hot head ....modi is a hot head ....hot heads don't help the situation .....example: Pakistan .....Pakistan is filled with hot heads who take immediate action and get into trouble
Ash Kumar stop kissing Modi's ass ...he is just another corrupt politician
Good for you.. Now that you have made that revelation, let us all see ONE instance to support that claim..
Is kandu rin maqasin tomorow
This person does not know the real situation or may be did not want to discuss ,
You will see it with your own eyes if it works by the time of its all ove
Mr. Riedel tries to go into detail, trying to talk about US's involvement and interests, and the interviewer abruptly changes the topic.
Why invite these specialists if you have an agenda in the first place?!!
Bruce is a brilliant analyst. At this stage it reached Status quo. For both India & Pakistan time was ripe with the Indian Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh is from Pakistan & Gen Musharaff the President of Pakistan was from India despite this advantage the Status quo continued because both hated each other & defied the law of International Relations that there are no permanent friends or enemies but Permanant Interest. Kashmir was a bone of Contention. With Modi Team taking over & winning a Majority the Matters changed. He said No talks unless's cross border Terrorism was contained in Pakistan. His next rational was WHO governs Pakistan the civilian Govt at Islamabad or the Pakistan Army establishment at Rawalpindi. Kargil illegal war in 1999 made it clear. The US changed Partners & its role in South Asia gradually declined with the withdrawal at Iraq and gradually in Afghanistan. India engaged the Muslim kingdoms of the Middle East as these were within the range of the Indian Missile System that the earlier financing of Terrorism & the Pakistan War Economy would not be tolerated. This Team of Politicians & beaucrats had done away from Pasificsm & Restrain & Would not show the other cheek but would give a resounding slap. The Policy of Offensive Defence was initiated. The 1999 Kargil invasion by Pakistan Army resulted in the India Isreal Milatary cooperation. Pakistan having lost its Milk cow the U S fell to the debt trap of PRC like SriLanka China weaved the Strong of Pearls around India with Navel docking rights at Gawadhar, Hamantota & rail link to Nepal from Chineese Tibet. India realised that China gradually started owning these bases & the real enemy was China. The Naval Alliance with the US + Japan + Australia was formulated to keep China to aggresion to be Contained especially in The South China Seas & Indian Ocean to protect the ASEAN grouping Taiwan + Vietnam + Philippines, The Middle East Muslim kingdoms looked towards the Indian Navy role to protect their Outer perimeter as the Pakistan Ex Army men under Raheel Shareef. Failed to prevent the Iran drone attack of Aramco Operations & lost 2 bases to huti rebels in Yemen. Pakistan today depends on the PLA in Pakistan not only to protect the Chineese Workers but Pakistan itself, Nathan Sekhar Sydney, Australia.
Wow! Succinct 👍👌
So you agree that Azaadi for Kashmir is not the aim but annexation by Pakistan?
I'm curious now! what is Pakistani language for "used like a tissue"
Like a prostitute 😂
i really wondering why association INDIA '
he was not discribe any thing about India
i think
this book purely belongs to "Pakistan and Afghanistan is better
thank you
Pakistani Culture??? Wells thats called the 'INDIAN CULTURE'. A nation which is just 70 years old has no culture of its own but it only carries the culture of the land and the culture of the land is the INDIAN CULTURE ! INDIA is there atleast since 10,000 years . Pakistan is one nation which has no identity of its own. ... Afghans has Afghanistan , Uzbaik people have Uzbaikistan , English people have England... who are PAK people?? There's no origin like that. ITS a fake nation which will disintegrate someday.
wow that's a lot of hindutva spirit there my buddy 🤣
Bigot*
he is absolutely right about South Asia
USA has been supplying billions of dollars in cash as well as in form of sophisticated Arms to pakistan which has created a monster in in the region , and has never realized that the snake they have created is going to one day bite you.
Lol says they stood by Delhi in case of Kargil
I heard long ago, as a child that the noble kings of ancient Indian (Bharath) didn't invade neighbouring countries, burn, loot, rape and kill, subjugate and exploit like the marauders of the recent times. Our civilization had several centuries to learn from mustakes and evolve a peaceful way of life. Our poorer neighbours are supposed to have either asked to (or agreed to) enter an agreement to become part of the whole empire. The rulers of neighbouring, smaller kingdoms got to continue to rule their land and people and continue with their way of life, i.e. food, clothing, religion, etc.
Thats how our emperors are supposed to have expanded their empires to far off lands... There was cultural exchange and exchange of science and technology both ways..
They admit it , but they don't accept it
Mr. There is no port in kashmir.
Who hell is Tina brown?
A surprisingly shallow discussion. Sounds like a meeting on headlines rather than digging deeper into tribalism and strands of worship, violence and corruption.
I can’t believe that jews called iOS health debate
Blockading Pakistan's port of Kashmir? hmmmm.....
he meant to say Karachi.
who the hell they r to discuss Pakistan and India, mind ur language,we r neighbor we will solve our problems sooner or later
+deep12511 Haan kar lenge but kaise? Read Sham Roz's comment you will understand why its not as easy as it is said.
self-restrained. yeah, as long as Congress is in power, more attacks like mumbai 2008 could be digested and tolerated.
This is one of the most essential talk on the matter of foreign affairs for both these countries as atleast the author has finally admitted how serously pakistan is responsible for perpetrating terrorism and instigating attacks on their neighbouring border, constantly, even since the decade of this event,
All we find is Taliban taking it's discourse in India, has almost complete control over the country, at the moment & radical lefts, shrinking the moves of Putin through new gorilla armies, also pakistan was meant to practice jihad so contracted attacks before 9/11 and after it as well; twice!
P S : Bruce Reidel sir a cutting analysis Hope people listen to you
I wish you could say anything about Kashmir
Pakistan would be insulted more, so ithink he dint wana insult the country more. Also, he is not pakistani ke har jagah kashmir le aaye. Evry seminar has a purpose and they will speak only those topic which are related to it
I'm not from Pakistan in Europe You have to understand
What is with you people are referring to your religion neurotically? It is a bit annoying. We are discussing the State of Pakistan, not your Faith.
Pakistan is a version of Somalia of South Asia with warlords having nukes! The mindset is hard to change with vast population fed on lies about their identity and heritage. Tough situation.
Well said sir.
Yk painfully little my friend
Is ok iniid lagandeed abdi
U got Pakistan all wrong and u wrote a book on Pakistan s way of way can't believe your incompetent at this particular field
what is not mentiond here is united nation resulutions on kashmir issues.why thay are not implimentd.???
You can shout out from a roof top but kashmir is part of pakistan .wether is today or tomarow.simple is that.
Time will tell .???
Pakistan should forget Kashmir and stop distorting your history and stop dreaming. Pakistan a bankrupt and under develop ,even Bangladesh is doing better than Pakistan.Pakistan have cheated America of more than 20 billions dollars , and you climb the highest mountain in World and still be beggar country fake Government , fake IT stolen technology every thing in Pakistan is rubbish
Dudh mangoge to khir denge. Kashmir mangoge to chir denge.
Kashmir has been removed by the UN from the list of disputed territories
damn my countries straight up Gangsta! lmao but he didn't mention who caused the coup in the first place to bring Zia in to power and why a Secular constitution was stripped by Zia and Bhutto been given execution. To server American interests against the Soviets. Hopefully India and Pakistan find common ground in fact they must. Both nations are wrong but i agree Pakistani Military is no saint being a Pakistani myself and a son of a former military officer. On the American point of View India is always the best option due to its large market and potential. Like he said If India and Pakistan join hands together and Pakistan reinstates a secular constitution we could have one of the worlds strongest economic zones. Don't hate Indians and as well as Pakistanis. Learn to live in peace as many Pakistanis and Indians do in Canada and such countries.
The problem is linked to religion. Pakistan is obsessed with India, for no other reason that the fact that it is an Islamic nation. This obsession is ingrained, imbued, oriented, cultivated into the gentry of Pakistan, by association of it's state religion (Islam) which looks at India as unbelievers(kafirs) and needs to be subdued by the might of Islam. So each generation comes out with the same alignment looking at India as the enemy in terms of their faith. The faith is very strong as the country is built on the precept of Islam, so the way they look at the world is through the eyes of Islam.
The only way this is going to change is where people of Pakistan stop looking at their state accepted religion (Islam) for their well being. In the 10 years since this interview has been broadcast, there is a movement picking up stream where Ex-Muslims have started raising questions and validations for the Islamic faith and it is gathering stream.
This state religion (Islam) is the source of violence, and if this source itself dissipates in influence on the gentry, it will palliate to a large extent these easy pick guineas to foment violence against India.
The Aam admi in both countries suffering from 1)corruption)nepotism)lack of development in education,infrastructure,basic facilities for people.and instead building animosity between nations.the common man suffered in both countries little less in India.
Bcos we elected corrupt people.
Aam admi in India is a rich aadmi in Pakistani
are you nuts? only 1 government has completed its term? all of indias governments have completed their terms.
He was talking about pakistan
Thats 1000% true. But i dont think USA which supplies arms to both countries can help solve anything.