Just happened to me ten days ago. We were miles from anything. At 10pm a truck stops on the road about 200 yards away. A guy with a flashlight starts walking toward our camp. I had a pistol in my hand and a flashlight. When he was about 30 yards away, I hit him with the flashlight and yelled, "what are you doing ". Caught him completely off guard. He said he was picking up trash. He went back to his truck and left. Who picks up trash in the middle of nowhere at 10pm! He did not know I was holding a gun on him. I had my son with me who was also armed. I'm glad I was not alone.
You are correct about firearms being a touchy subject. Glad you had the courage and ethics to cover the topic. I could not agree more, especially in today's World with some jurisdictions refusing to press charges against criminal, thereby encourage more criminal behavior. Cheers.
All good tips here. I know not everyone is up for camping with loaded firearms and the potential responsibility that comes with that but I did just see a pistol by a company called Byrna that shoots a variety of non-lethal projectiles such as a pepper spray/tear gas combo. Seems to be a very effective way of immobilizing someone for a decent amount of time. They say it’s 50 state legal and no license required. Definitely considering one myself.
I've seen too many people hit with various sprays and keep on coming to even begin to feel safe with byrna. Even being shot some will keep operating long enough to harm you.
I just saw those advertised as well (in a YT short, I think) - nice addition to one's protection. Though there's nothing quite like the sound of a pump action shotgun to make an intruder pause, I imagine.
I was all set up for the night in a lovely place in the middle of nowhere when a beat up old two wheel drive car with a broken windshield comes past me and stops suddenly. They drove away slowly, and I knew they were scum up to no good. I debated standing my ground but knew it would be a sleepless night clutching my pistol in the dark. So I bugged out.
thank you for confirming my concerns,, being from Canada our ability to arm ourselves are limited. It's sad that we have to be concerned about our safety when we are venturing to relax and get away from it all. We recently returned from a trip from Yellowstone and was followed for over 20 kms by someone in Idaho.. We lost him after a number of stops only to find him following us again. By the time we got to our awesome campsite in Washington, I was too spooked out and decided to drive back to Vancouver, BC at 1 in the morning. Lots of unstable people out there, take away from this would be prepared and strength/defense/deterrence in numbers. stay safe everyone !
So sorry your US trip was ruined because of some nut case. It is so sad that angry and unstable people motivated by "politicians" continue to feed the anger and unpredictability. Hopefully this will all start to subside after this November. We can only hope.
I like your chill vibe so I am subscribing. Re: firearms: if you are comfortable with the possibility of using it on a human or other animals they are always a good idea. What I always tell people & my kids is if you know yourself and you won’t use it then don’t own it or pull it out. When my former husband brought firearms into the house I knew I could never kill a 16 year old looking to steal my TV. But I also knew if I had to protect myself or my daughter that I would pull that trigger. So I mentally practiced telling someone to “get the f**k off my property” for 14 years and I ran through the scenarios where they didn’t leave or were too scared to. I practiced their freeze response and would imagine telling them to face away from me and interlock their fingers behind their head while I called the police. I also practiced pulling the trigger if they moved toward me or my daughter. Well 14 years later a man and firearm owner who owned a gun shop in town chased me and my daughter into our house through our backyard and door. Once I had the firearm in my hand I pulled back the slide and stepped back and he pushed open the door and stepped toward me. I screamed what I had practiced over and over with the firearm aimed at his chest with my finger next to the trigger. When he stepped towards me again I stepped back, put my finger on the trigger and aimed it at his head. I knew this man was emotional and not in his right mind. He eventually backed off and left as he realized the police were on the way. He left with his life and so did we but at one point I was ready to protect myself and my daughter if he continued to advance. You must be mentally prepared or you will kill someone with unclear intentions or the weapon may be used on you. Even though I did not pull the trigger it was immensely traumatic holding someone’s life in my hands like that. I have been the first on the scene in many accidents and it’s a similar feeling of helpful helplessness. Meaning you are helpful by protecting yourself but also helpless to make that other person keep themselves alive by leaving you alone. If you cannot truly deal with the aftermath and feeling of helplessness firearms are not the answer. Also keep in mind state laws. In Oregon you cannot just shoot someone breaking into your camper even if you are inside or it is your house. They need to be inside and you have to have no other escape. Similar to being in the wilderness if you can escape or get help you cannot just shoot another human. A jury will decide if you could have gotten away or not. So know your laws. 💜💜💜
It's terrible that you and your daughter had to experience that but I'm glad that you were well equipped to handle the situation. I absolutely agree that proper and consistent training is paramount. I have owned and trained with firearms for about 22 years and I am comfortable with the responsibility that it comes with. Stay safe!
@@ggg4runner The problem of living in states that always protect the aggressor, invader and are only just too happy when the innocent gets raped, robbed and killed...
I regularly dispersed camp in CO and I can’t imagine not having a firearm with me. I’ve never had a sketchy experience at a campsite, however I’ve had bad experiences driving along the roads to get to the dispersed areas. I’ve seen broken down/parked cars in the morning rolling into camp and then those same vehicles later in the afternoon had bullet holes and were flipped over. Best advice I can give anyone looking to camp in a high traffic area where drug addicts and drunk hooligans regular visit (within 25 miles of any major city), is to camp far from the main roads/trails. Ideally find a camp site along a rough, rutted trail away from the main road. On the more difficult trails you’ll typically only run into other off roaders and people willing to travel further for that extra solitude. Stay safe out there in the wilderness. Your biggest threat no matter where you are is typically other humans.
Heres a few tips, i frequently camp in bear country so, never bring a woman on her period ( the scent draws apex predators like bears, mountain lion,wolf coyote right into your camp. Very dangerous. 2) when sleeping i keep a .44 magnum revolver on a lanyard tied to my right wrist and i dont completely zip up my bag. 3) i keep a pump 12 guage with a built in high intensity tactical light built into the pump and its NEVER more than 3 feet away from me. 4) i always deploy a hidden game cam watching your whole campsite. 5) i always use a perimeter tripwire system !! ( noise makers) Those are my prime tips
Being armed is one thing, but that seems a pretty far over the edge to me. For those in polar bear or brown bear country, a portable electric fence is getting pretty popular. It would presumably work against people as well. The whole problem with trip wires and motion devices is that in most of North America, most animals are active at night. If you want to get any sleep, it's best to just trust that although bad things are happening more and more, it's still rare. I'm in the Seattle area and have been in the woods for 45 years. Some strange characters are moving out of the cities into the woods, for sure, but I've only had one close human encounter - and they moved off quickly, once they saw my .45 Colt. The most interesting event was a very large male bear in my camp, 30 feet away at 2am, pissed that I was there, not afraid, and threatening a charge. Seems I was in his midnight huckleberry spot. He decided not to engage and left. THAT shook me and still does to this day. That .45 most likely would not have stopped him faster than he could tear me up bad. I threw on a tower of firewood and got that fire roaring in record time, sitting with my back to the fire til dawn. I had his huckleberries in my morning bannock.
Left my Mazda 3 last year with roof tent on near Austria - Germany border. FW2F+QJW Ehrwald, Austria, where a lot of people hiking and cycling passed by. Bags inside, cameras, roof tent on top without security locks. Left for 10 hours hike to Zugspitze. Nothing happened, not even a scratch when i returned.
I am an old(er) lady that is an avid camper/hiker/kayaker. When I kayak, I am on the water solo without my canine companion. To kayak camp, there are many undesirable two leggeds that like to engage in nefarious activities, they think that they are ten feet tall and invinsible. I do carry a firearm, bull horn, pepper spray, knife, and a few other goodies that are always within reach and on my person, no matter where I am located in camp. When I land-camp, I always have my four legged best friend with me, along with the aforementioned items. I agree with you, if you carry a knife and/or firearm/weapon, you should learn/know how to use them in an emergency situation.
Good video. I think what you covered was on point. I would add that having a mental understanding of your location and having an exit route of the area is also key. This goes on how your park your vehicle and set set up your camp. If SHTF, you might be bettee off driving away even if it means leaving some of your gear behind. For everyone there, like Roger said train and know your firearm. Because if your practice your 2A, then you need to know that in any situation you get there is always going to be a firearm present....
Great discussion. I can't count all the times I've had vehicles drive near my remote campsite in the middle of the night. I never camp without at least one handgun and a 12 ga shotgun within arm's reach.
Great video and tips. I have built my rig to keep all my extra gear mostly inside the camper. Nothing on display. Especially nice when we want to stop in a big city for lunch and leave the truck parked. Always lock up. And always stay armed when dispersed camping. Lots of sketchy folk out in the boondocks. Better to stay armed and not need it then wish I had it. Great video
I use a driveway alarm with all four sides of my vehicle .It has 4 different sounds so you know which side is set off or sounds off the display ĺets you know which side.
Another great topic. Glad you are prepared. When seconds count help is minutes/hours away. Hope you are doing well! Keep the videos coming we very much enjoy them
Great information, and I agree wholeheartedly it’s better plan for the worst and hope for the best. You should take any and all precautions when your camping; you just never know what can happen.
Good video buddy. Here we are 11 months later and someone was just hacked to death by a machete camping near Yellowstone. Strap up and bring bright flashlights. You are exactly right never go without a gun. Awesome video
Excellent points! It's obvious help will not arrive in time if something goes wrong camping in wilderness. You are on your own to defend yourself and love ones. Having a plan and layer of defense is always a good thing.
Thanks Roger! Always have the brightest light, something to spray like a skunk (POM, Byrna, 🐻spray, serious⛑ first aid, 🔫where legal. and TRAIN, PRACTICE & HAVE PLAN!
look I was a cop in the academy they make you get sprayed and you have to fight your way out of a course before they let you rinse off the spray. I can confidently say the spray made me ANGRY and it fought way harder because it hurt. I was the nerd and studious one of the class before that day.
When me and a buddy overland, we typically like dispersed camping. We both have a firearm on our hip. We also like to park our vehicles in a direction which will grant a quick exit (not having to back up first). You just never know when you'll have an odd encounter with another person in the middle of the woods, desert, etc...
Great tips man. Its always best to camp with a group of armed buddies who are proficient shooters as well. Especially when kids are present. I also think camping with friends who have great situational awareness rather than thinking everyone who passes by is a nice .
We've only had Rottweilers. Greatest family dogs ever. Ours rarely barked. They growled. They are enthusiastic about protecting their family. The sight of them keeps people at a distance. I have no allergy to weapons, I have an addiction, and a shotgun or AR is always in tow. We also CCW.
I carry a long stun baton with a belt clip. The baton has stun strips down the sides so if grabbed, it still delivers 10,000 volts, as well as the typical stun spot on the end. It has a flashlight and a strobe too.
You can also push your seat forward and see if you can put a padlock on the runner under your seat so that large person‘s not gonna be able to sit in that seat and driveway. You can also while you’re setting up your camp put a dog bowl outside your campground put some water in it throw a doggy toy and let them think you’re out walking around with your dog, I’ve heard of people putting out dog crates
Thieves typically case a site first to see if it's worthwhile to steal anything. When they see a dog bowl but neither hear barking nor a dog, they know there isn't one.
I wish we could carry for protection in Canada when camping. One thing I’ve used before is the vehicles panic alarm! I keep the keys in the RTT and one time I had to use the panic alarm which scared away a bear from my site. Hopefully it’ll work against a human too!
Agreed on many things you mentioned. I remotely did off-road and off-grid camping with my wife and kids, beside many methods of security, recovery, gears, vehicle, etc….legally firearms (CCW and riffle) are always with me just in case to protect my family and myself. 2A is our American right to protect our freedom, lives
I solo overland mostly in National Forests in Wyoming, Utah, Idaho, and Nevada and rarely in a campground but I am not opposed to it. I really study topo maps and find remote areas and I have never had an issue. I sleep inside my vehicle and have bear spray and sleep with my key fob just in case I need to hit that annoying horn button. The two chairs thing is a good idea too! I also have SOS on my iPhone.
I backcountry a lot here in Colorado. I never really think about it, kind of like sharks when I swim in the ocean. Last trip one of my friends who lives in the 4 corners area was telling me about a bear attack near where we were. That made it more real. Now looking to get/carry a 12 gauge. I have had stuff come up missing a few times in State Park campgrounds.
As to your question about motion detection, you can put fishing line around trees or mount sticks in the ground, then, rig up a rape whistle(Vigilant PPS-9 135dB Personal Alarm) to them. In the dark, fishing line(green)cannot be seen and when someone walks through the fishing line, the whistle is loud enough to scare the begezus out of them or an animal. Thus, the action of the whistle placed away from you gives you seconds to react to what's pending. I keep battery operated motion lights behind the fishing line(and one directly in front of the tent) at the right distance to where at the time they trip the whistle, the motion lights appear at the same time.(Place the fishing line 10 to 12 inches off the ground so that human or animal won't step over), it'll be in the dark, so they won't notice it anyway.(Do this in four quadrants so you know which direction the threat is coming from).(Ex: I...I,I....I,I....I,I....I) These two deterrent's are more than enough to warn anything that crosses them that you are more serious about security than your average camper. As an added bonus, I install a bear fence inside of the fishing line and whistle just in case an animal doesn't get the message. If a human(or animal) crosses these barriers and is intent on getting to your tent, I think it is much more of a case for you if you should have to explain to the authorities why you had to dispatch of the threat. (Yes in some areas you are allowed to carry). Motion lights must be placed at least 7 to 10 yards behind the wire due to their sensitivity. I know all of this is a lot but, when camping alone(or with another), it's better to get to your camp site way earlier than just simply pitching a tent thus, making your night(s) more comfortable knowing that you're not playing with animals or humans when you set up your camp. Let all that witness know that you're not THAT guy to be messing around with les they want to suffer the consequences of what that person who set up that rig is all about. Be safe out there! P.S- Trail cameras add another comfort level as you can see who is approaching your area. Those can be mounted by tri-pod so you don't have to worry about finding a tree. Place the trail camera towards the mouth of your tent so that you can see before sticking your head out, what's there. I keep an apple iPad charged(RAVPower Prime 32000mAh 3 Port Power Bank RP-PB064) and the app open.(Disable sleep mode)
(a) trail camera set up 20 metres away pointing toward your camp, it will pick up people in the area and record video and pics for the authorities, and (b) slingshot and a handful of coins for close quarters
A a solo female overlander, thanks for this video! I conceal/carry a 9MM, have bear spray tucked away in strategic places, and I also have a German Shepard trained in protection services with big teeth and a ferocious bark. What you reminded me that I still need are two things: small portable pepper spray for hiking/MTB’ing and a EDC Tactical Flashlight. Do you recommend the little flashlight you linked? How do you like it?
Love that Olight Warrior Mini (both the 2 and 3 versions). I've looked at several others but haven't found any that I like better feature-wise. The main draw for me is the two-position tail switch so I can have both a strobe and a regular beam with one-touch and you have both beams in either constant or momentary with that same tail switch as well. The only slight downside is that it's at the maximum size of what I would carry daily although they now make a shorter version, albeit lower output, called the Warrior Nano. :Edit: forgot to mention that if you're looking at the Warrior Mini 2 or 3, yes the 3 has higher output but the other difference is that the 3 does strobe/medium on the tail switch (or turbo/medium) and the 2 does strobe/turbo on the tail switch (or turbo/medium).
Trail Hobo are a real threat. Have come across them in Yosemite. At O’Dark Thirty three of the four were burglarizing the bear boxes for food and any equipment etc. in the morning we showed the Ranger video, but the Hibiscus were long gone.
It definately is the journey that matters. I think you pretty much covered it all. As you pointed out, be sure you know the laws of all jurisdictions you are driving through. Almost all states I journey through recognize my conceal carry, except one, New Mexico which has no reciprocity with Louisiana. I have to unload and stash my weapon. One point I would add is to always be aware of how you park. Leave yourself an out, both forward and backward. I always try and park facing out and leave space behind me in the event I was to get blocked in, much like eating at a restaurant, I never sit facing away from the door.
New subscriber and looking to start overlanding. this was a concern of mine and glad you addressed it. Can't wait for my first trip. Your channel has been a huge help!
Good tips, but I have found through experience. That after you get ready to go to bed, you have a Totally dark camp site! So you dont attract attention, when you sleep, and I always carry a gun! Because im in AZ!
Thank you, Roger! Great content - on my 80 Series I mounted 4 blink cameras tied to a mobile wifi which is continuously kept charged through a solar supported battery supply... I can check on the rig anytime and get notifications of Motion and recordings of that motion 360 degrees around the rig. I share your belief that cameras are really not much of a deterrent but hopefully they might provide good evidence of what took place, should something go wrong. As always, first class work - thank you and happy trails. Cheers, J
I use magnetic solar motion detector lights on my roof rack. I once drove all the way home with them still mounted by mistake. I don't do well with up close and personal defense methods, so............................... Bryna, just saying.
Air horn, battery operated security lights, never ask for directions near your campsite or tell anyone where you’re going. And last but not least, listen for Banjo music in the distance
One item that I haven’t seen mentioned for personal security is Kimber America (firearms) has a pepper blaster that looks like it would be a great option as well. I personally have found that with the small sprays one has to be extremely mindful of wind 😮
Hmm, that's a pretty interesting one! But unfortunately, my overlords here in CA have deemed devices that expel tear gas by any method other than an aerosol spray to be illegal 😑
I have carried a fire arm with me when I'm boondocking. Which I do solo, as my wife hates it and wants nothing to do with it. I also sleep in the truck, which makes me feel safer. I have also used game cams hidden around my site in case something does happen. However I once forgot to retrive them the next mornignand drove away without them, HA. As per your suggestion, I WILL get some bear spray and some pepper spray for the next time. Thanks.
I have been working with a couple of companies to make a rechargeable camp light with a motion sensor that can be turned on and off. If you are sleeping in a tent or RTT turning on at night would help give some security and alert you to potential threats. You have good suggestions.
great video.. .I love the fact you stated that not every human threat requires a firearm. Some do of course..but you are far more likely to need a non-lethal method as deterrent before needing a lethal one.
I totally agree with you about firearms - bring them and hope to never have to use them. Don't advertise that you have a gun or guns with you to anyone outside your camping party. Even within your group, only adults you absolutely trust can know that you are armed; children, adolescents, and the wider friend group must not know. When boondocking with a camping trailer, I block direct access to the trailer with my truck. Obvious approach lanes can be blocked by pulling dead trees or fallen branches across them, or you can use sticks and rocks to create stumbling barriers. I'm not suggesting to build a fort here, and these obstacles need to be removed and scattered before breaking camp.
I haven’t personally had a bad experience camping but I have always considered options if things went sideways. If I were to ever have a negative interaction I felt wasn’t resolved or could escalate later in the night I would attempt to leave and find a new place. If it was a dead end or for some reason wasn’t able to leave immediately my plan would be to get off the X, perhaps offset from the campsite, likely within visual range but with some cover and concealment. It’s too easy to sneak up on a campsite, a dog would be my number one tool as an early alarm but also the addition of some trip wire alarms could bring some peace of mind. Edit: I forgot to mention, always have a firearm present. Preferably with a weapon mounted light and suitable optic for night time use.
night vision and thermal is something i take w me. night vision helmet mounted. thermal and IR on my rifle (Scar16) Also have bear spray for less lethal.
I dunno dude, people hurt more people than bears hurt people. Also, just watched your recent video, glad you guys weren't hurt. I had a gentleman who had a heart attack while driving ram through my fence some years back.
I've been considering security a lot recently since I've been doing more solo camping. What are your thoughts on non lethal alternatives like a Byrna? Thanks for making this vid btw!
Thanks for watching! My personal opinion on non lethal devices is that until one is proven to be 100% effective at completely stopping a hostile threat and has a long track record of doing so, I am not interested in relying on one. That being said, if you can't have or don't want a firearm (I'd be curious why but this is not the platform for that) having something is better than having nothing. Either way, be safe out there!
totally suport 2a I'm here in the philippines so we are 'working' on buying our protection but for non-lethal situations i honestly like a nice big can of hornet spray. 1/4" stream up to 25'! you can easily take down a small group of dudes with it. give you time to do what you need to do.
I like 👍 your video on security. May I suggest battery powered security cameras? I have one on each corner of my van wherever I camp. They're quiet, and only scare two legged vermin. Which is what you want. Secondly, I also carry a personal lead propulsion device. I live in an open carry state 😊
A better alternative to pepper spray is hornet/wasp spray. Fires a stream up to 20'. Won't mist and blow back in your face. One can will easily take out several people.
It’s a violation of federal law to use wasp spray against people. It’s a nervous system poison. Doing so could get you hemmed up $$$$ in court. In 21 years as LEO, pepper spray has always done its job. Go get some training and a quality pepper spray like Sabre or POM.
Great video Roger. We’ve had a couple incidents with sketchy people driving up to our site. I also practice the 2A and the site of my open carry likely convinced them to move along.
I'm in Scotland. No fire arms pepper spray, nothing permitted however last time our van is approached which it has been they better run cause I was like a raging bull when they woke e up I couldn't get out to them in time. All I could think of was next time ill wear fine clothes to bed instead of the pj's I had on. 🤣
Love your video buddy! Always very interesting and the way they are just calms me down! I'm new to overlanding (bought myself 2 80series 🙈) build one slowly for some adventures with my partner😊 You're videos are of so much help mate keep it up 😊 When it comes to some security I do have the motions sensors bought them from my local hardware store they are mainly for home uses but managed to install them 😁 and my dober roti mix girl sure gets on high allert when someone (day/night) approaches uss 😅 Once again thanks so much man for your content and keep it up buddy... Love your rig mate 😉
Remote tent camping with my boys in the mountains many years ago a group came through on foot in the middle of the night. Obviously high and belligerent they were shooting high capacity weapons. As they walked through our camp they stopped and shone a light on our tents. I was laying on top of my two small boys hoping they would just move on and thinking maybe if they did shoot us my body would protect the boys. After what seemed like forever they moved on resuming their wild behavior. I waited until they were gone and called out to my friend who was in his tent with his boys next to me. He did the same thing. Stayed quit and tried to protect his boys by laying over them. In this case if we had tried to use any weapons I’m sure they would have massacred us. I no longer sleep in tents unless I’m in a primitive area where people can’t carry heavy weapons or near my car where we can get I escape if something really bad happens.
Great job of covering this topic, and not shying away from your 2A stance. Lots of others from other countries that would like to have the rights that we do here ( actually God given, protected by our constitution!) , so we should proudly acknowledge them. Thanks.
Sorry that went down near Bishop. Aside from this crazy incident you mentioned, I fish out there and ONLY run into 1st class people. I am going to say, tho, that drug decriminalization/legalization has NOT been kind to my Eastern Sierra, rural California hunting/fishing/backpacking grounds. Read about legal gun ownership in California, and have a gun in your vehicle. (pistols are handy + high lumen flashlight) And pepper spray in your pocket.
Theft protection. Past locking your stuff up normally. Good insurance with a property identification system is your best friend. Physical security just makes it harder but not imposible to commit theft. Being able to identify property will help recover the loss with your insurance. Oh catch a thief in the act, be ready for a fight!
Wasp spray on a person? I'm sure I wouldn't enjoy being sprayed with that but I'm also sure there are more appropriate things to use. As far as tasers, I have zero experience with them and my speculation probably isn't useful information for you.
It is worth noting that multiple times during 2020, someone used pepper spray and was shot dead in response, and the courts ruled that the use of pepper spray justified lethal retaliation.
Ok well why did they just mace someone ? Do you know the whole story ? They are not going to just let someone shoot someone over macing. Get all the facts
Using lethal force (gun, knife, tire iron, etc.) against non-lethal force (pepper spray, mace, etc.) = aggravated assault, with prison time from 5 years to life. Perhaps you misread the court’s decision?
Just happened to me ten days ago. We were miles from anything. At 10pm a truck stops on the road about 200 yards away. A guy with a flashlight starts walking toward our camp. I had a pistol in my hand and a flashlight. When he was about 30 yards away, I hit him with the flashlight and yelled, "what are you doing ". Caught him completely off guard. He said he was picking up trash. He went back to his truck and left.
Who picks up trash in the middle of nowhere at 10pm! He did not know I was holding a gun on him. I had my son with me who was also armed. I'm glad I was not alone.
People are weird nowadays. Stay vigilant!
You are correct about firearms being a touchy subject. Glad you had the courage and ethics to cover the topic. I could not agree more, especially in today's World with some jurisdictions refusing to press charges against criminal, thereby encourage more criminal behavior. Cheers.
Oh man, don't get me started on what you said 😤 Hopefully, things turn around sooner than later. Be safe!
Why is carrying a tool to get out of trouble touchy? Sheep will be sheep that's why.
@@StratinvllcAgree. The fake news media has made them what they are today.
@@ggg4runner hey Roger. Hope you are doing well
All good tips here. I know not everyone is up for camping with loaded firearms and the potential responsibility that comes with that but I did just see a pistol by a company called Byrna that shoots a variety of non-lethal projectiles such as a pepper spray/tear gas combo. Seems to be a very effective way of immobilizing someone for a decent amount of time. They say it’s 50 state legal and no license required. Definitely considering one myself.
If you respect the 2A, I respect you. Be safe and happy trails!
I've seen too many people hit with various sprays and keep on coming to even begin to feel safe with byrna. Even being shot some will keep operating long enough to harm you.
I just saw those advertised as well (in a YT short, I think) - nice addition to one's protection. Though there's nothing quite like the sound of a pump action shotgun to make an intruder pause, I imagine.
They make flash bangs for flare guns. Highly recommend.
I was all set up for the night in a lovely place in the middle of nowhere when a beat up old two wheel drive car with a broken windshield comes past me and stops suddenly. They drove away slowly, and I knew they were scum up to no good. I debated standing my ground but knew it would be a sleepless night clutching my pistol in the dark. So I bugged out.
Better safe than sorry. I would've done the same.
thank you for confirming my concerns,, being from Canada our ability to arm ourselves are limited. It's sad that we have to be concerned about our safety when we are venturing to relax and get away from it all. We recently returned from a trip from Yellowstone and was followed for over 20 kms by someone in Idaho.. We lost him after a number of stops only to find him following us again. By the time we got to our awesome campsite in Washington, I was too spooked out and decided to drive back to Vancouver, BC at 1 in the morning. Lots of unstable people out there, take away from this would be prepared and strength/defense/deterrence in numbers. stay safe everyone !
Damn, sorry you had to experience that. Safety in (trusted) numbers for sure. I wish you safe travels in the future!
So sorry your US trip was ruined because of some nut case. It is so sad that angry and unstable people motivated by "politicians" continue to feed the anger and unpredictability. Hopefully this will all start to subside after this November. We can only hope.
I like your chill vibe so I am subscribing.
Re: firearms: if you are comfortable with the possibility of using it on a human or other animals they are always a good idea.
What I always tell people & my kids is if you know yourself and you won’t use it then don’t own it or pull it out.
When my former husband brought firearms into the house I knew I could never kill a 16 year old looking to steal my TV. But I also knew if I had to protect myself or my daughter that I would pull that trigger. So I mentally practiced telling someone to “get the f**k off my property” for 14 years and I ran through the scenarios where they didn’t leave or were too scared to. I practiced their freeze response and would imagine telling them to face away from me and interlock their fingers behind their head while I called the police. I also practiced pulling the trigger if they moved toward me or my daughter.
Well 14 years later a man and firearm owner who owned a gun shop in town chased me and my daughter into our house through our backyard and door. Once I had the firearm in my hand I pulled back the slide and stepped back and he pushed open the door and stepped toward me. I screamed what I had practiced over and over with the firearm aimed at his chest with my finger next to the trigger. When he stepped towards me again I stepped back, put my finger on the trigger and aimed it at his head. I knew this man was emotional and not in his right mind. He eventually backed off and left as he realized the police were on the way.
He left with his life and so did we but at one point I was ready to protect myself and my daughter if he continued to advance. You must be mentally prepared or you will kill someone with unclear intentions or the weapon may be used on you. Even though I did not pull the trigger it was immensely traumatic holding someone’s life in my hands like that. I have been the first on the scene in many accidents and it’s a similar feeling of helpful helplessness. Meaning you are helpful by protecting yourself but also helpless to make that other person keep themselves alive by leaving you alone.
If you cannot truly deal with the aftermath and feeling of helplessness firearms are not the answer.
Also keep in mind state laws. In Oregon you cannot just shoot someone breaking into your camper even if you are inside or it is your house. They need to be inside and you have to have no other escape. Similar to being in the wilderness if you can escape or get help you cannot just shoot another human. A jury will decide if you could have gotten away or not. So know your laws.
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It's terrible that you and your daughter had to experience that but I'm glad that you were well equipped to handle the situation. I absolutely agree that proper and consistent training is paramount. I have owned and trained with firearms for about 22 years and I am comfortable with the responsibility that it comes with. Stay safe!
@@ggg4runner The problem of living in states that always protect the aggressor, invader and are only just too happy when the innocent gets raped, robbed and killed...
I regularly dispersed camp in CO and I can’t imagine not having a firearm with me. I’ve never had a sketchy experience at a campsite, however I’ve had bad experiences driving along the roads to get to the dispersed areas. I’ve seen broken down/parked cars in the morning rolling into camp and then those same vehicles later in the afternoon had bullet holes and were flipped over. Best advice I can give anyone looking to camp in a high traffic area where drug addicts and drunk hooligans regular visit (within 25 miles of any major city), is to camp far from the main roads/trails. Ideally find a camp site along a rough, rutted trail away from the main road. On the more difficult trails you’ll typically only run into other off roaders and people willing to travel further for that extra solitude. Stay safe out there in the wilderness. Your biggest threat no matter where you are is typically other humans.
Heres a few tips, i frequently camp in bear country so, never bring a woman on her period ( the scent draws apex predators like bears, mountain lion,wolf coyote right into your camp. Very dangerous. 2) when sleeping i keep a .44 magnum revolver on a lanyard tied to my right wrist and i dont completely zip up my bag. 3) i keep a pump 12 guage with a built in high intensity tactical light built into the pump and its NEVER more than 3 feet away from me. 4) i always deploy a hidden game cam watching your whole campsite.
5) i always use a perimeter tripwire system !! ( noise makers)
Those are my prime tips
Menstruation attracting bears is a myth.
Wow
I have all of that, and I also always deploy four claymore mines around my tent.
Is it worth it still?
Being armed is one thing, but that seems a pretty far over the edge to me. For those in polar bear or brown bear country, a portable electric fence is getting pretty popular. It would presumably work against people as well. The whole problem with trip wires and motion devices is that in most of North America, most animals are active at night. If you want to get any sleep, it's best to just trust that although bad things are happening more and more, it's still rare.
I'm in the Seattle area and have been in the woods for 45 years. Some strange characters are moving out of the cities into the woods, for sure, but I've only had one close human encounter - and they moved off quickly, once they saw my .45 Colt.
The most interesting event was a very large male bear in my camp, 30 feet away at 2am, pissed that I was there, not afraid, and threatening a charge. Seems I was in his midnight huckleberry spot. He decided not to engage and left. THAT shook me and still does to this day. That .45 most likely would not have stopped him faster than he could tear me up bad. I threw on a tower of firewood and got that fire roaring in record time, sitting with my back to the fire til dawn. I had his huckleberries in my morning bannock.
Left my Mazda 3 last year with roof tent on near Austria - Germany border. FW2F+QJW Ehrwald, Austria, where a lot of people hiking and cycling passed by. Bags inside, cameras, roof tent on top without security locks. Left for 10 hours hike to Zugspitze. Nothing happened, not even a scratch when i returned.
Wish it were like that here still but it's just not anymore
I am an old(er) lady that is an avid camper/hiker/kayaker. When I kayak, I am on the water solo without my canine companion. To kayak camp, there are many undesirable two leggeds that like to engage in nefarious activities, they think that they are ten feet tall and invinsible. I do carry a firearm, bull horn, pepper spray, knife, and a few other goodies that are always within reach and on my person, no matter where I am located in camp. When I land-camp, I always have my four legged best friend with me, along with the aforementioned items. I agree with you, if you carry a knife and/or firearm/weapon, you should learn/know how to use them in an emergency situation.
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Good video. I think what you covered was on point. I would add that having a mental understanding of your location and having an exit route of the area is also key. This goes on how your park your vehicle and set set up your camp. If SHTF, you might be bettee off driving away even if it means leaving some of your gear behind. For everyone there, like Roger said train and know your firearm. Because if your practice your 2A, then you need to know that in any situation you get there is always going to be a firearm present....
Great tip on knowing your exits and parking to get out quick if needed (forgot to mention those)! Thank you for commenting and safe travels!
I just read your post. I recommended the same. Always leave room for maneuver both front and back.
Great discussion. I can't count all the times I've had vehicles drive near my remote campsite in the middle of the night. I never camp without at least one handgun and a 12 ga shotgun within arm's reach.
For what it's worth, night vision equipment is reasonably cheap nowadays. I have one from Wish, its actually very good and records.
Great video and tips. I have built my rig to keep all my extra gear mostly inside the camper. Nothing on display. Especially nice when we want to stop in a big city for lunch and leave the truck parked. Always lock up. And always stay armed when dispersed camping. Lots of sketchy folk out in the boondocks. Better to stay armed and not need it then wish I had it. Great video
Even more sketchy people in the cities/towns.
@@ScubaSteveCanada very true!
I use a driveway alarm with all four sides of my vehicle .It has 4 different sounds so you know which side is set off or sounds off the display ĺets you know which side.
Another great topic. Glad you are prepared. When seconds count help is minutes/hours away. Hope you are doing well! Keep the videos coming we very much enjoy them
Thank you! You be safe out there!
Great information, and I agree wholeheartedly it’s better plan for the worst and hope for the best. You should take any and all precautions when your camping; you just never know what can happen.
Good video buddy. Here we are 11 months later and someone was just hacked to death by a machete camping near Yellowstone. Strap up and bring bright flashlights. You are exactly right never go without a gun. Awesome video
Excellent points! It's obvious help will not arrive in time if something goes wrong camping in wilderness. You are on your own to defend yourself and love ones. Having a plan and layer of defense is always a good thing.
Thanks Roger! Always have the brightest light, something to spray like a skunk (POM, Byrna, 🐻spray, serious⛑ first aid, 🔫where legal. and TRAIN, PRACTICE & HAVE PLAN!
Truth! Like Ben Franklin said "By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail."
look I was a cop in the academy they make you get sprayed and you have to fight your way out of a course before they let you rinse off the spray. I can confidently say the spray made me ANGRY and it fought way harder because it hurt. I was the nerd and studious one of the class before that day.
Carabiner on zippers is a good one I didn't think of. Thank you!
When me and a buddy overland, we typically like dispersed camping. We both have a firearm on our hip. We also like to park our vehicles in a direction which will grant a quick exit (not having to back up first). You just never know when you'll have an odd encounter with another person in the middle of the woods, desert, etc...
Just a couple guys in the woods huh? LOL, yall gay as hell .. lol !
Great tips man. Its always best to camp with a group of armed buddies who are proficient shooters as well. Especially when kids are present.
I also think camping with friends who have great situational awareness rather than thinking everyone who passes by is a nice .
We've only had Rottweilers. Greatest family dogs ever. Ours rarely barked. They growled. They are enthusiastic about protecting their family. The sight of them keeps people at a distance. I have no allergy to weapons, I have an addiction, and a shotgun or AR is always in tow. We also CCW.
Thank you for taking the time! ... not many videos about this topic.
Safety first. Excellent reminder, Roger.
Thanks for commenting! Be safe out there!
I only do reservations only camp sites because of safety reasons.
I carry a long stun baton with a belt clip. The baton has stun strips down the sides so if grabbed, it still delivers 10,000 volts, as well as the typical stun spot on the end. It has a flashlight and a strobe too.
Big props for the TEQ's toyota hat ❤❤
You can also push your seat forward and see if you can put a padlock on the runner under your seat so that large person‘s not gonna be able to sit in that seat and driveway. You can also while you’re setting up your camp put a dog bowl outside your campground put some water in it throw a doggy toy and let them think you’re out walking around with your dog, I’ve heard of people putting out dog crates
Thieves typically case a site first to see if it's worthwhile to steal anything. When they see a dog bowl but neither hear barking nor a dog, they know there isn't one.
I knew I liked you man. Way to be real, and responsibly. 👍
I wish we could carry for protection in Canada when camping. One thing I’ve used before is the vehicles panic alarm! I keep the keys in the RTT and one time I had to use the panic alarm which scared away a bear from my site. Hopefully it’ll work against a human too!
Agreed on many things you mentioned. I remotely did off-road and off-grid camping with my wife and kids, beside many methods of security, recovery, gears, vehicle, etc….legally firearms (CCW and riffle) are always with me just in case to protect my family and myself. 2A is our American right to protect our freedom, lives
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Awesome! Thank you for commenting and happy trails!
I solo overland mostly in National Forests in Wyoming, Utah, Idaho, and Nevada and rarely in a campground but I am not opposed to it. I really study topo maps and find remote areas and I have never had an issue. I sleep inside my vehicle and have bear spray and sleep with my key fob just in case I need to hit that annoying horn button. The two chairs thing is a good idea too! I also have SOS on my iPhone.
I backcountry a lot here in Colorado.
I never really think about it, kind of like sharks when I swim in the ocean.
Last trip one of my friends who lives in the 4 corners area was telling me about a bear attack near where we were.
That made it more real.
Now looking to get/carry a 12 gauge.
I have had stuff come up missing a few times in State Park campgrounds.
Lots of good videos on which 2A tool(s) to carry for bear defense! Love your state btw! Adventure safely my friend.
As to your question about motion detection, you can put fishing line around trees or mount sticks in the ground, then, rig up a rape whistle(Vigilant PPS-9 135dB Personal Alarm) to them. In the dark, fishing line(green)cannot be seen and when someone walks through the fishing line, the whistle is loud enough to scare the begezus out of them or an animal. Thus, the action of the whistle placed away from you gives you seconds to react to what's pending. I keep battery operated motion lights behind the fishing line(and one directly in front of the tent) at the right distance to where at the time they trip the whistle, the motion lights appear at the same time.(Place the fishing line 10 to 12 inches off the ground so that human or animal won't step over), it'll be in the dark, so they won't notice it anyway.(Do this in four quadrants so you know which direction the threat is coming from).(Ex: I...I,I....I,I....I,I....I) These two deterrent's are more than enough to warn anything that crosses them that you are more serious about security than your average camper. As an added bonus, I install a bear fence inside of the fishing line and whistle just in case an animal doesn't get the message.
If a human(or animal) crosses these barriers and is intent on getting to your tent, I think it is much more of a case for you if you should have to explain to the authorities why you had to dispatch of the threat. (Yes in some areas you are allowed to carry). Motion lights must be placed at least 7 to 10 yards behind the wire due to their sensitivity. I know all of this is a lot but, when camping alone(or with another), it's better to get to your camp site way earlier than just simply pitching a tent thus, making your night(s) more comfortable knowing that you're not playing with animals or humans when you set up your camp. Let all that witness know that you're not THAT guy to be messing around with les they want to suffer the consequences of what that person who set up that rig is all about. Be safe out there! P.S- Trail cameras add another comfort level as you can see who is approaching your area. Those can be mounted by tri-pod so you don't have to worry about finding a tree. Place the trail camera towards the mouth of your tent so that you can see before sticking your head out, what's there. I keep an apple iPad charged(RAVPower Prime 32000mAh 3 Port Power Bank RP-PB064) and the app open.(Disable sleep mode)
Thanks again for all of the good content! Keep it coming bro.
Thanks as always!
While I choose not to carry for a number of reasons, I respect and agree with the way you approach the discussion.
(a) trail camera set up 20 metres away pointing toward your camp, it will pick up people in the area and record video and pics for the authorities, and (b) slingshot and a handful of coins for close quarters
A a solo female overlander, thanks for this video! I conceal/carry a 9MM, have bear spray tucked away in strategic places, and I also have a German Shepard trained in protection services with big teeth and a ferocious bark. What you reminded me that I still need are two things: small portable pepper spray for hiking/MTB’ing and a EDC Tactical Flashlight. Do you recommend the little flashlight you linked? How do you like it?
Love that Olight Warrior Mini (both the 2 and 3 versions). I've looked at several others but haven't found any that I like better feature-wise. The main draw for me is the two-position tail switch so I can have both a strobe and a regular beam with one-touch and you have both beams in either constant or momentary with that same tail switch as well. The only slight downside is that it's at the maximum size of what I would carry daily although they now make a shorter version, albeit lower output, called the Warrior Nano.
:Edit: forgot to mention that if you're looking at the Warrior Mini 2 or 3, yes the 3 has higher output but the other difference is that the 3 does strobe/medium on the tail switch (or turbo/medium) and the 2 does strobe/turbo on the tail switch (or turbo/medium).
Trail Hobo are a real threat. Have come across them in Yosemite. At O’Dark Thirty three of the four were burglarizing the bear boxes for food and any equipment etc. in the morning we showed the Ranger video, but the Hibiscus were long gone.
So well thought out. Good for you.
It definately is the journey that matters. I think you pretty much covered it all. As you pointed out, be sure you know the laws of all jurisdictions you are driving through. Almost all states I journey through recognize my conceal carry, except one, New Mexico which has no reciprocity with Louisiana. I have to unload and stash my weapon. One point I would add is to always be aware of how you park. Leave yourself an out, both forward and backward. I always try and park facing out and leave space behind me in the event I was to get blocked in, much like eating at a restaurant, I never sit facing away from the door.
Agree with everything you said.
When things go bump in the night, I bump back!
Good tips, thanks, like.
Excellent video, thank you!
NEVER go into the wilds without a weapon, you are your ONLY line of defense cops & rangers will not be around or able to get to you in time.
What if you are a wild life photographer? Being around other people is never conducive to a good photo shoot.
This is so important,thank you for sharing.
New subscriber and looking to start overlanding. this was a concern of mine and glad you addressed it. Can't wait for my first trip. Your channel has been a huge help!
Thanks and happy trails!
Nice ride! Take care of it because it's now a collector's item!
Good tips, but I have found through experience. That after you get ready to go to bed, you have a Totally dark camp site! So you dont attract attention, when you sleep, and I always carry a gun! Because im in AZ!
Great advice!
Thank you, Roger! Great content - on my 80 Series I mounted 4 blink cameras tied to a mobile wifi which is continuously kept charged through a solar supported battery supply...
I can check on the rig anytime and get notifications of Motion and recordings of that motion 360 degrees around the rig.
I share your belief that cameras are really not much of a deterrent but hopefully they might provide good evidence of what took place, should something go wrong.
As always, first class work - thank you and happy trails.
Cheers, J
Appreciate your experience and insight on that topic! Adventure safely brother!
Great information, Roger. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
We love you GGG4Runner!
Aww, thanks!
Great vid, thanx.
I use magnetic solar motion detector lights on my roof rack. I once drove all the way home with them still mounted by mistake.
I don't do well with up close and personal defense methods, so...............................
Bryna, just saying.
Air horn, battery operated security lights, never ask for directions near your campsite or tell anyone where you’re going. And last but not least, listen for Banjo music in the distance
Great information and good vid! Stay safe!
Same to you brother!
One item that I haven’t seen mentioned for personal security is Kimber America (firearms) has a pepper blaster that looks like it would be a great option as well. I personally have found that with the small sprays one has to be extremely mindful of wind 😮
Hmm, that's a pretty interesting one! But unfortunately, my overlords here in CA have deemed devices that expel tear gas by any method other than an aerosol spray to be illegal 😑
@@ggg4runner oh gosh 😬
I have carried a fire arm with me when I'm boondocking. Which I do solo, as my wife hates it and wants nothing to do with it. I also sleep in the truck, which makes me feel safer.
I have also used game cams hidden around my site in case something does happen. However I once forgot to retrive them the next mornignand drove away without them, HA.
As per your suggestion, I WILL get some bear spray and some pepper spray for the next time.
Thanks.
Outstanding video - we've carried wasp spray over the years.
Thanks for watching and safe travels!
I have been working with a couple of companies to make a rechargeable camp light with a motion sensor that can be turned on and off. If you are sleeping in a tent or RTT turning on at night would help give some security and alert you to potential threats. You have good suggestions.
great video.. .I love the fact you stated that not every human threat requires a firearm. Some do of course..but you are far more likely to need a non-lethal method as deterrent before needing a lethal one.
Good information!
I totally agree with you about firearms - bring them and hope to never have to use them. Don't advertise that you have a gun or guns with you to anyone outside your camping party. Even within your group, only adults you absolutely trust can know that you are armed; children, adolescents, and the wider friend group must not know.
When boondocking with a camping trailer, I block direct access to the trailer with my truck. Obvious approach lanes can be blocked by pulling dead trees or fallen branches across them, or you can use sticks and rocks to create stumbling barriers. I'm not suggesting to build a fort here, and these obstacles need to be removed and scattered before breaking camp.
I haven’t personally had a bad experience camping but I have always considered options if things went sideways.
If I were to ever have a negative interaction I felt wasn’t resolved or could escalate later in the night I would attempt to leave and find a new place. If it was a dead end or for some reason wasn’t able to leave immediately my plan would be to get off the X, perhaps offset from the campsite, likely within visual range but with some cover and concealment. It’s too easy to sneak up on a campsite, a dog would be my number one tool as an early alarm but also the addition of some trip wire alarms could bring some peace of mind.
Edit: I forgot to mention, always have a firearm present. Preferably with a weapon mounted light and suitable optic for night time use.
Just subscribed like your videos. I love my remote control lights. I also carry a home solar flood light I bungee cord it to a tree.
Great video!
night vision and thermal is something i take w me. night vision helmet mounted. thermal and IR on my rifle (Scar16) Also have bear spray for less lethal.
sound trip wires and 4 light posts w adjustable sensors
Being armed, I'm way more worried about a bear than a person :P
I dunno dude, people hurt more people than bears hurt people. Also, just watched your recent video, glad you guys weren't hurt. I had a gentleman who had a heart attack while driving ram through my fence some years back.
I've been considering security a lot recently since I've been doing more solo camping. What are your thoughts on non lethal alternatives like a Byrna? Thanks for making this vid btw!
Thanks for watching!
My personal opinion on non lethal devices is that until one is proven to be 100% effective at completely stopping a hostile threat and has a long track record of doing so, I am not interested in relying on one. That being said, if you can't have or don't want a firearm (I'd be curious why but this is not the platform for that) having something is better than having nothing.
Either way, be safe out there!
totally suport 2a I'm here in the philippines so we are 'working' on buying our protection but for non-lethal situations i honestly like a nice big can of hornet spray. 1/4" stream up to 25'! you can easily take down a small group of dudes with it. give you time to do what you need to do.
that well regulated militia?
I like 👍 your video on security. May I suggest battery powered security cameras? I have one on each corner of my van wherever I camp. They're quiet, and only scare two legged vermin. Which is what you want. Secondly, I also carry a personal lead propulsion device. I live in an open carry state 😊
Can you share that RTT lock? Great idea
Which lock are you referring to?
Hey Roger-A video on camp safety in severe weather would be good. Heat/rain/snow/wind.
I'll keep that in mind for when I decide to get back to videos
A better alternative to pepper spray is hornet/wasp spray. Fires a stream up to 20'. Won't mist and blow back in your face. One can will easily take out several people.
Huh, what are the effects of it?
@@rickdougherty1371 PAINFUL! in the eyes!!!!
It’s a violation of federal law to use wasp spray against people. It’s a nervous system poison. Doing so could get you hemmed up $$$$ in court.
In 21 years as LEO, pepper spray has always done its job. Go get some training and a quality pepper spray like Sabre or POM.
Well done!!
Great video Roger. We’ve had a couple incidents with sketchy people driving up to our site. I also practice the 2A and the site of my open carry likely convinced them to move along.
Yeah, too many sketchy people nowadays. Stay safe out there!
I'm in Scotland. No fire arms pepper spray, nothing permitted however last time our van is approached which it has been they better run cause I was like a raging bull when they woke e up I couldn't get out to them in time. All I could think of was next time ill wear fine clothes to bed instead of the pj's I had on. 🤣
I'm packing too. Good on you.
👊 fellow 2A supporter
Do you have a video of you installing the key fob lighting system? @GGG4Runner
I do not, but the wiring directions are very easy to follow
It's too bad places like California and NY make it so difficult for law-abiding citizens to carry.
Think that’s bad??? Try living in Canada
What a mature video, well spoken and well produced ! Not an avid overlander but am now a subscriber 🇨🇦🍻👍
Never trust your neighbors to help you. They will disapear like a fart in a whirl wind.
Outstanding subject matter. Realistic and logically sound advice, greatly appreciate your opinions on this as a lone camper. Stoked to sub good sir👍
Love your video buddy! Always very interesting and the way they are just calms me down!
I'm new to overlanding (bought myself 2 80series 🙈) build one slowly for some adventures with my partner😊
You're videos are of so much help mate keep it up 😊
When it comes to some security I do have the motions sensors bought them from my local hardware store they are mainly for home uses but managed to install them 😁 and my dober roti mix girl sure gets on high allert when someone (day/night) approaches uss 😅
Once again thanks so much man for your content and keep it up buddy... Love your rig mate 😉
So mathematically you have a 160-series! Dogs are pretty much the best alarm. Thank you for commenting and I wish you two rewarding adventures ahead!
You can say that 😂 thinking of getting a 4runner instead of one of them... Will see 😊
Happy trails mate!
I love my 4Runner don't get me wrong, but keep both 80s imo!
Remote tent camping with my boys in the mountains many years ago a group came through on foot in the middle of the night. Obviously high and belligerent they were shooting high capacity weapons. As they walked through our camp they stopped and shone a light on our tents. I was laying on top of my two small boys hoping they would just move on and thinking maybe if they did shoot us my body would protect the boys.
After what seemed like forever they moved on resuming their wild behavior. I waited until they were gone and called out to my friend who was in his tent with his boys next to me. He did the same thing. Stayed quit and tried to protect his boys by laying over them.
In this case if we had tried to use any weapons I’m sure they would have massacred us.
I no longer sleep in tents unless I’m in a primitive area where people can’t carry heavy weapons or near my car where we can get I escape if something really bad happens.
yikes... stay vigilant and stay safe
I pack a 30-30, but being Canadian, i would never pull that on a person if you know what I mean. Be mindful of pulling a gun on the wrong person.
For sure, hope I'll never have to. Be safe!
I camp with Glock, Mossberg, and bear spray :)
Great job of covering this topic, and not shying away from your 2A stance. Lots of others from other countries that would like to have the rights that we do here ( actually God given, protected by our constitution!) , so we should proudly acknowledge them. Thanks.
Sorry that went down near Bishop. Aside from this crazy incident you mentioned, I fish out there and ONLY run into 1st class people.
I am going to say, tho, that drug decriminalization/legalization has NOT been kind to my Eastern Sierra, rural California hunting/fishing/backpacking grounds.
Read about legal gun ownership in California, and have a gun in your vehicle. (pistols are handy + high lumen flashlight)
And pepper spray in your pocket.
Pew pew and Night vision
Theft protection. Past locking your stuff up normally. Good insurance with a property identification system is your best friend. Physical security just makes it harder but not imposible to commit theft. Being able to identify property will help recover the loss with your insurance. Oh catch a thief in the act, be ready for a fight!
And I have a black shirt. For camping, if I wake up, I get out of tent right away, woth gun, had hide,look, and listen, I turn the tables
What do you think about using a can of wasp spray? Or a taser?
Wasp spray on a person? I'm sure I wouldn't enjoy being sprayed with that but I'm also sure there are more appropriate things to use. As far as tasers, I have zero experience with them and my speculation probably isn't useful information for you.
It is worth noting that multiple times during 2020, someone used pepper spray and was shot dead in response, and the courts ruled that the use of pepper spray justified lethal retaliation.
Wow, better just skip that whole step then.
Ok well why did they just mace someone ? Do you know the whole story ? They are not going to just let someone shoot someone over macing. Get all the facts
Using lethal force (gun, knife, tire iron, etc.) against non-lethal force (pepper spray, mace, etc.) = aggravated assault, with prison time from 5 years to life. Perhaps you misread the court’s decision?
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Absolutely be armed!
amen brother
Your flashlight link doesn't work.
appreciate the heads up! fixed it fxo.co/HPRH