How to Break in a Ring and Pinion The suggested break-in procedure for a ring and pinion gear is as follows: - Drive 15 to 20 miles under normal driving conditions (no highway speeds), stop and let differential cool before proceeding, repeat this process 2-3 times - Avoid heavy accelerating during the break in process - Keep the vehicle under 60 MPH for the first 100 miles - Highway driving also requires proper break-in due to the higher heat temperatures produced, drive 15-20 minutes at max 65MPH, stop and let differential cool before proceeding, repeat this process 2-3 times - Driving on a new ring and pinion before the initial 500 mile oil change should be under normal driving conditions: no hard starts, racing, off-roading, towing, and should not be flat towed. - Change Gear Oil after the 500 mile break-in, this removes metal particles and phosphate coating from the gear set during the break-in period. - *Towing: After the 500 mile oil change, the first towing should be less than 15 miles, then let the differential cool before proceeding, Repeat this process 2-3 times
I’m running 5.13 gears in a 2021 rubicon, and that’s as high as i dare to go. I’m easy on the throttle and usualy crawl my way up most things but not every obstacle have to be approached that way. Witht the heavy foot you have i would 100% stay with a taller gear set. Like someone said below, 4.56 to 4.88 would probably be your sweet spot, but it you want that Ruben heavy foot to stay down, you should absolutely upgrade to Dana 60’s sooner than later. We seen the same happen to the boys at Synergy in the US in one of the JL Experience event so it is a well known thing that Dana 44’s are not the absolute best for heavy foot. Either way, keep up the great work love the video and stoked to see you in a jeep. Cheers from east coast Canada 🤙🏻🤙🏻
I have a Jeep Gladiator Rubicon...i want to supercharge mine so you can imagine how excited i was at the 27 minute mark of this video to hear that weapon of a Jeep on song. I am sooo stoked for you Ruben i bet that was a bucket load of fun!
With the weight you have on that. The housing will be the long term weak point. Going back to a 4.11 will help the gears live, but you should look into a rear upgrade as you will continue having issues. The front is good but you should truss it so it doesn't bend as well. Jeep has done a great job making the new axles internals a kot stronger, but they are trying to save weight for government EPA standards with the housings.
As a Toyota fan, I’ll be the first to admit that Jeep has much better flex and capability. A 79 IS overpriced for a vehicle that isn’t the most capable 4x4 but I own one and I love it. Every 4x4 has its strong point and as far as capability I’m not too proud to admit it’s the Jeep. Good on ya Rueben.
the lower (numerically higher) the diff ratio the weaker the pinion no matter what diff. if you need to run ratio's in the 5's with big tyres and power you need to go to bigger diffs like dana 60's. i don't run lower than 4.56 in dana 44's in rubicons because they already have huge torque multiplication from the 4:1 low range gears. also for the type of wheeling you do 4.56 would be ideal anyway.
People tend to really not understand how much of a parts breaker the 4:1 tcase is, and the Jeep 8 speed auto has a really low first gear compared to most autos as well.
@@thecapturban we don't the majority of 4wd's on the tracks are ifs dual cab utes and toyota landcruisers. so the level of difficulty on the trails is very low or the tracks are overgrown. if you find one difficult obstacle here and there you're better off just winching it rather than fitting portals or 40's.
@@6226superhurricane exactly.. just sayin the portals will give you the lower gear ratio and a lift at the same time on the 37s they run.. thats all. One of these days, aussie might get rid of that stupid peanut tax, then they could have some real trucks... that could be affordable
@@thecapturban still wouldn't be necessary, australia is mostly flat with long distances people don't trailer a purpose built rock crawler to go do a short trail. it will never make sense to build a sledgehammer to crack a peanut. so vehicles on 33's - 35's that are capable of everything from daily driver to long distance tourer will always be a better choice. a stock rubicon could do 98% of the hardest tracks with minimal winching.
Honestly don't get why everyone in the comments are hating on the 4wd 24/7 boys? What did they do? I'm not for their beers in the shed shit but their actual wheeling episodes are sick. Love all 4x4 channels.
Their incessant laughing after every sentence is one thing..when it’s not even funny. Plus they have treated some of the guys that used to run with them like shit.
Rube Corey here from the states you need to find a set of Dana 60s or disk brake 70s we here normally get rid of the stock diffs for that exact reason you can rebuild everything with quality parts and one little thing screws everything up
I don't know who would recommend anything over 4.88 for a jeep unless your running 40's or bigger but at that point you would wanna upgrade to dana 60's anyway
Saw this coming when you decided to regear. Not only are lower ratio gears weaker, hardly anyone in Australia knows who to regear them right, all the Jeep diffs I've seen fail are within 6 months from being regeared.
Nice video. I did a regear on mine as well but I had to break them in or harden them by driving the first 1000km in a certain way at first 30km at a time then let it cool down the slightly longer runs and could not go over 50km for the first 300 odd km just wondering if that and extra power from the supercharger caused the breakage PS really want a supercharger on mine
32 psi on slippery hills = muppet ruining the tracks for others. Ruben, you need to talk to your HR department and add a clause to your standards of business conduct :) Will also add that the Ranger had no business being on those tracks with those racing slicks
W also had some failures of the 5.38 on the rear of a supercharged JK, it turned out the crush sleave couldn't handle the power, what we did to remedy it was to set the mesh and take pinion out again and machine a solid sleave, sorted out the problem for about 2 years sofar. If it happens again going 4.88
In reality yes the 4.11's are great I've got away with both 4.56's & 4.88's.... Yes I knew 5.38's was very optimistic especially with a supercharger 😬🤓🤣😂
Having owned a JEEP, and driven it hard with a Melbourne group I know from experience they are notoriously prone to breakage, and if you know the acronym that JEEP stands for you will understand....... just empty every pocket.
How to Break in a Ring and Pinion
The suggested break-in procedure for a ring and pinion gear is as follows:
- Drive 15 to 20 miles under normal driving conditions (no highway speeds), stop and let differential cool before proceeding, repeat this process 2-3 times
- Avoid heavy accelerating during the break in process
- Keep the vehicle under 60 MPH for the first 100 miles
- Highway driving also requires proper break-in due to the higher heat temperatures produced, drive 15-20 minutes at max 65MPH, stop and let differential cool before proceeding, repeat this process 2-3 times
- Driving on a new ring and pinion before the initial 500 mile oil change should be under normal driving conditions: no hard starts, racing, off-roading, towing, and should not be flat towed.
- Change Gear Oil after the 500 mile break-in, this removes metal particles and phosphate coating from the gear set during the break-in period.
- *Towing: After the 500 mile oil change, the first towing should be less than 15 miles, then let the differential cool before proceeding, Repeat this process 2-3 times
I’m running 5.13 gears in a 2021 rubicon, and that’s as high as i dare to go.
I’m easy on the throttle and usualy crawl my way up most things but not every obstacle have to be approached that way.
Witht the heavy foot you have i would 100% stay with a taller gear set.
Like someone said below, 4.56 to 4.88 would probably be your sweet spot, but it you want that Ruben heavy foot to stay down, you should absolutely upgrade to Dana 60’s sooner than later.
We seen the same happen to the boys at Synergy in the US in one of the JL Experience event so it is a well known thing that Dana 44’s are not the absolute best for heavy foot.
Either way, keep up the great work love the video and stoked to see you in a jeep.
Cheers from east coast Canada 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Gotta love the DKT comment.. good to see he listing to good podcasts!!
I have a Jeep Gladiator Rubicon...i want to supercharge mine so you can imagine how excited i was at the 27 minute mark of this video to hear that weapon of a Jeep on song. I am sooo stoked for you Ruben i bet that was a bucket load of fun!
It was! Cheers mate! :)
That 79 series driver had a time of his life,the music was just wow
Thanks for watching. I think Craig in the 79 had an epic trip.
Leave some metal for the rest of us!
Absolutely stoked to see you moving forward on your own.
With the weight you have on that. The housing will be the long term weak point. Going back to a 4.11 will help the gears live, but you should look into a rear upgrade as you will continue having issues. The front is good but you should truss it so it doesn't bend as well. Jeep has done a great job making the new axles internals a kot stronger, but they are trying to save weight for government EPA standards with the housings.
We appreciate the info @coolonpaper6381 . Thanks for sharing! :)
As a Toyota fan, I’ll be the first to admit that Jeep has much better flex and capability. A 79 IS overpriced for a vehicle that isn’t the most capable 4x4 but I own one and I love it. Every 4x4 has its strong point and as far as capability I’m not too proud to admit it’s the Jeep. Good on ya Rueben.
Agree. No such thing as a perfect vehicle. :) Thanks for watching mate! :)
the lower (numerically higher) the diff ratio the weaker the pinion no matter what diff. if you need to run ratio's in the 5's with big tyres and power you need to go to bigger diffs like dana 60's. i don't run lower than 4.56 in dana 44's in rubicons because they already have huge torque multiplication from the 4:1 low range gears. also for the type of wheeling you do 4.56 would be ideal anyway.
People tend to really not understand how much of a parts breaker the 4:1 tcase is, and the Jeep 8 speed auto has a really low first gear compared to most autos as well.
Yup.. if and i do mean if you need more.. just portal it. But aussies have soooo many restrictions on what they can run doubt they would ever need it
@@thecapturban we don't the majority of 4wd's on the tracks are ifs dual cab utes and toyota landcruisers. so the level of difficulty on the trails is very low or the tracks are overgrown. if you find one difficult obstacle here and there you're better off just winching it rather than fitting portals or 40's.
@@6226superhurricane exactly.. just sayin the portals will give you the lower gear ratio and a lift at the same time on the 37s they run.. thats all. One of these days, aussie might get rid of that stupid peanut tax, then they could have some real trucks... that could be affordable
@@thecapturban still wouldn't be necessary, australia is mostly flat with long distances people don't trailer a purpose built rock crawler to go do a short trail. it will never make sense to build a sledgehammer to crack a peanut. so vehicles on 33's - 35's that are capable of everything from daily driver to long distance tourer will always be a better choice. a stock rubicon could do 98% of the hardest tracks with minimal winching.
That was sum hardcore song ov the 79.. AN big 200. Soynded 2 good. Bloody gold ruben. Fanging it. Woop Woop.
Yew!
Honestly don't get why everyone in the comments are hating on the 4wd 24/7 boys? What did they do? I'm not for their beers in the shed shit but their actual wheeling episodes are sick. Love all 4x4 channels.
Their incessant laughing after every sentence is one thing..when it’s not even funny. Plus they have treated some of the guys that used to run with them like shit.
Seeing you guys getting work done in my home town, sometimes Sale is good for something haha. While exploring my backyard always has me glued.
Thanks for watching @Eighty9Mike
Keep up the great work on these videos brother! Loving it!
Your the best Reuben good thing nothing happened worse. Stay safe and thanks for keeping us folks admiring. Cheers
Rube Corey here from the states you need to find a set of Dana 60s or disk brake 70s we here normally get rid of the stock diffs for that exact reason you can rebuild everything with quality parts and one little thing screws everything up
Noted. Thanks for the suggestion @cmwhitt18. Cheers!
@dmw4x4 hell yeah brotha keep on keeping on and hope you have a dirty muddy weekend !!!
Cracking video fella's, from Steve near Chester England 🏴 where the Roman's once lived.
I don't know who would recommend anything over 4.88 for a jeep unless your running 40's or bigger but at that point you would wanna upgrade to dana 60's anyway
Thanks for the suggestion!
Cracking Ep guys in some awesome country.
I’ve never known someone to break so much shit 😂😂😂😂😂
all the gear no idea
Great video, lesson learnt, OEM is often the optimal solution. Looking forward to more Jeep content.
More to come! Thanks for watching, mate @SwampySi. :)
who's running the book on what he breaks next? I want 50 on a axle. Love ya work Rubs keep breakin em!
Awesome video guys, well done.👍
Another awesome one, Ruben, keep them coming.
It's great to see you're doing different tracks
More to come! Thanks @hardlydavidson1937!
I'd be putting a 9" centre in that rear axle with a form of locker
Saw this coming when you decided to regear. Not only are lower ratio gears weaker, hardly anyone in Australia knows who to regear them right, all the Jeep diffs I've seen fail are within 6 months from being regeared.
Can't beat the battle axe go the gu💪
Nice video. I did a regear on mine as well but I had to break them in or harden them by driving the first 1000km in a certain way at first 30km at a time then let it cool down the slightly longer runs and could not go over 50km for the first 300 odd km just wondering if that and extra power from the supercharger caused the breakage PS really want a supercharger on mine
Thanks for sharing that mate. Hit up our mates at Highfields Mechanical & Offroad if you decide to get one on. ;)
the ouch before the fun, great vid
Should have taken the Y62 patrol
Looks like great fun!
Very! :)
Broken Jeep ? No way ! They're always so reliable !
Doubt this had anything to do with it being a Jeep. Since it already had aftermarket gears which appear to be what has broken.
Revin Reuben strikes again lol
32 psi on slippery hills = muppet ruining the tracks for others. Ruben, you need to talk to your HR department and add a clause to your standards of business conduct :) Will also add that the Ranger had no business being on those tracks with those racing slicks
Fark 5.38 seems like a huge ratio
awesome Reuben as usual top vid, keep up the great work
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for your support @rollyb5061 :)
Can,t beat a Troll !!
Good luck with ur diffs mate
Are they Yokie X-ATs? I put them my Rubicon too and love them
W also had some failures of the 5.38 on the rear of a supercharged JK, it turned out the crush sleave couldn't handle the power, what we did to remedy it was to set the mesh and take pinion out again and machine a solid sleave, sorted out the problem for about 2 years sofar. If it happens again going 4.88
Nuts..!!! But awesome.!!
Cheers @fubar9109 :)
Love the content mate
Hell Yeah
In reality yes the 4.11's are great I've got away with both 4.56's & 4.88's.... Yes I knew 5.38's was very optimistic especially with a supercharger 😬🤓🤣😂
Dont come to VHC with A/T tyres 😂😂😂😂
I ran 4.56 on my Jeep running 37's and it was fine for well over 150K
That Jeep sounds like a little girl farting in a jar😂😂😂
4 88 much stronger gear set
😂😂😂😂That's was top dollar contend ruben ❤❤❤❤❤😘😘✨✨✨💯💕💕🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼👌🏼👌🏼⭐
Thanks @marielachristian8666 . Glad you liked it!
The question is, why didn't you fit a Dana SD60 in the back???
Also noticed your Jeep is not road worthy BTW with the tyres well outside the guards, but you know, whatever...
that was a sick video jesusssss we need more haha
Thanks @cheapsmoke4096 . Stay tuned for more! :)
Having owned a JEEP, and driven it hard with a Melbourne group I know from experience they are notoriously prone to breakage, and if you know the acronym that JEEP stands for you will understand....... just empty every pocket.
WTF how the f did that diff do what it did. mind blowing.
I know right! I guess it added to the adventure. 😀
Number 1 and 2 vehicles that get towed in america....jeeps and dodge ram.....and then ford in 3rd place
jeep dont need after market parts
I don't know why people bagg Jeeps out. Even 24/7 boys are starting to appreciate them.
I bought mine to make memories.
Love that! Keep making precious memories with yours @MicOutdoors ;)
just give me that v8
Vote yes and you will NOT be doing any of this stuff anymore
so much better than 24/7
your crew is better than the over produced politically correct 4bd247 guys... you cant stay at the top forever...
JUST REMEMBER TO VOTE NO