Cleaning Out The Sludged Engine - 1934 Ford Forgotten Hot Rod
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- Now that the 1934 Ford Tudor is cleaned out and the majority of the missing parts have been accounted for, it's time to see if the engine is usable. Andrew and Matt work on removing the plugs and adding some Aerokroil to the cylinders to free up any stuck pistons. After letting it sit for a few hours, they put the car in gear and rock it back and forth to get the engine moving. Matt then drops the oil pan to clean out any gunk, and things start to go down hill. You will have to watch and see what kind of mess he uncovers. Let us know down below if you think the 1934 Ford Forgotten Hot Rod has a boat anchor of a motor!!
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Time for a first start video!
Check out Jonathan W on TH-cam for the king of first starts. I really enjoy his videos. Maybe some of his first start good luck mojo will transfer to you!
Thanks.
The 55 had no oil filter so more sludge,also the lifters oiled through a groove in the rear cam journal,one year only engine
You know your stuff, used to have to make that groove when installing a hotter cam.
@@danportenier8416 Yep.
Matt take off the valve covers and pull out the push rods. Clean run some wire through the push rods and be sure the oil galley holes on the heads are open.
That's on the to-do list here shortly!!
Always go by the deck stamping. The casting number on the back would be shared among many variations of 265's. Early small blocks do not have crank bolt, and the 55 only block will not have an oil filter pad, or side mounts so they are easy to identify.
When I unstick an engine I fill it up as high as I can with diesel. Squirt it into all of the cylinders, and then poor it through the carb to fill up the open cylinders as much as you can. The diesel with make the rust melt off and will soften or dissolve carbon. It should leak past the rings when left for long periods of time and will melt all the sludge in the bottom end also. Stinks but does a pretty good job and makes it much easier to clean the pan.
Its cheap insurance to replace that oil pump and screen. Oil pumps rarely go bad, but the swinging pickup can suck air and aerate the oil. I always replace those pickups on these early small blocks. I also use an all steel oil pump drive if it does not have one. The plastic coupler embrittles over the years and crumbles.
The water in the block , if frozen, usually crack in the lifter valley first , and then the outside. You usually find water in the oil if this has happened. We do a lot of marine engines that have frozen, and on a real hard freeze which that engine should have seen several of, there would be large external cracks, probably with the side of the block popped out. If you don't have that, its probably not cracked, or cracked bad. If you need 265 blocks, there are several in our shop, but we are in Toronto. A little far lol.
I think weve all been there best of luck on no cracks Matt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Matt .. save your next bottle of empty differential/gear oil. With the nipple tip. Cut the bottom off, & run a piece of fuel line from the nipple .. & < whammo ! > .. you have your own cylinder IV bottle for ITG car hospital. I use a heavy tension spring mini clamp on the hose to cut the flow. Also have a long length of hose ( OVERKILL ) .. because I hang my contraption from the garage door track.
Also : Do you have a powered parts washer on a stand yet ? If not .. you'll love to have one. I change out solvent maybe once a year with heavy use .. and honestly, many times by that definition .. I just filter it out with shop rags & magnets on the inside drain hole .. & filter it back in with shop rags & a funnel.
Your mileage may vary .. ..
Thanks Jamie that's a great idea!
Hey Matt, I just wanted to tell you to check the top of the block on the outside right below the cylinder heads, just below the exhaust manifolds, you might be able to see it with an inspection mirror. I had the same motor in a 1947 willys overland pick-up the block was cracked from front to back on both sides, and someone had done a masterfull job with JB weld! it lasted just long enough for me to test fire the engine and come up to temp. before the JB weld split.
i think that is a drain for the coolant and they do rot off Ive had that same thing happen the plug fitting isn't made from good material
Just have to take the good with the bad good video matt
Call it Big Red
With all the cars you do I can't believe you don't have a parts washer they don't take up that much room you just have to relocate some crap you have laying around for something that you will use a lot
1934 Fire and Water Tudor project.
I use that zep degreaser, it's fantastic.
It did work really well!
You should be able to go to any 7/11 or WAWA convenience store and pick up a new oil pump for your sbc.
"STINK FINGER" is the car's new name.
I think you'll be fine with the water in the block, it wasn't enough to expand to the point of breaking the casting. Also, plain old gasoline makes a terrific sludge liquifyer. And lastly, if you get the notion to run this engine, mix a quart of 10 weight oil to 3 quarts of diesel fuel or kerosene. Let her idle only til she gets warm, not hot. Do that a time or three, then drain. It will blast thru any sludge in the oil galleys, and as long as you don't rev past idle, it won't hurt a thing.
How about Isla for the name, as in Isla Fisher, another pretty redhead!
1955 the first year of the small block chev
I’d call it the “60’s show rod”
The Bonnie&Clyde
The “Red Sled”
I know you like being period correct but if the engine is bad and your just moving it around the shop..... 305s are easy to find and cheap.... not your permanent solution but it would get you by until you find the right motor
You want a name? Crusty classic. Red ridding hood.
Failure LOL It turns.May i suggest you buy yourself a creeper to lie on. To get the oil pickup clean it up best as you can withe the parts washer and separate it from the pump . Find a can that's bigger than the pickup. Sit it in the tin and half fill it with some gas. Take it outside and let it burn the oil off. It will turn to carbon and come a lot easier. It wont get hot enough to melt any braising. Burning it gets into the hidden areas. Once one of my idiot coworkers went to burn it off with the gas set and melted the mesh. LOL Buy your self a parts washer brush. the type that has a hose connection on top.
"Bonnie" as in bonnie and clyde same car right?
Its name is clearly 'Red'
Or “Red, White and Tudor”? 🙃🙃😉
It's a Ford tumor with a small block so put the to together and you got the name and that be chuby
Bonny of Bony and Clyde.
" Ole Redd " ??? 🤔🤔🤔
Matt cal the red car the "More Door '34"
Year appropriate name ... "Dillinger"
If the block was cracked it would have leaked out over the years and leave rust stains on the block. Also the water coming out was clear, it should have been rusty.
also those glued in plugs would have been pushed out by the ice...
Never seen clean water come out of an old block. Very early SBC, old style oil pickup etc.
My thoughts exactly.
Not true mine set for like 20 years still was clear its got oil with it .it wont rust
"Ruby"! Pressure test all cylinders while it's there. Looks excellent guys! 👍
Just an encouraging word. If the water in the block had frozen, as loose as that plug was it would have pushed it out and allowed the water to drain. Finding water still in the block is a good sign. Good call on cleaning out the oil pan. The 1955 265cid engine did NOT have an oil filter. If the engine happens to be bad, ANY small block Chevrolet engine will bolt right in with little or no modification.
actually those early small blocks did not have motor mounts on the sides of the block ,they where mounted off the front bottom of the block,
If that's a '55 engine, unless it's bored, it's a 265 cubic inch. Oil filters were optional on the early engines, and canister type, not spin ons. The 283 came out in 1957 and made the Earth shattering horse power of one horse power per cubic inch with two Carter AFB four barrel carbs. Woo hoo !!!
Very cool build / rebuild guys .
Have fun. Nothing better than driving a car you built / rebuilt yourself.
Take care.
The good thing about the water is it’s clear, if it had been in the block for 50 years it would be rusty.
That's a good observation. Also there didn't seem to be any water mixed in with the oil.
Looks like you could use an Eastwood parts washer!
Need the floor space....
@@IronTrapGarage Ahh.... The shop is never big enough! I feel your pain.
@@IronTrapGarage matt, sell me the 32 and you will have floor space
@@carlwhite8225 LOL!!
Next time try a piece of shrink tubing for your extension tube..
After seeing all that water come out, maybe you should call it the Fire Hydrant.
Fire hydrant 81
I would seal up every possible opening in whats left of the cooling system and see if it will hold air pressure. If there is a crack then it won't
wont a compression test also confirm cracks, well, sort of since it's rings and valves and stuff too, but any like near zero reading would be a sign, right?
Matt, it appears to me that you need a parts washer with pump and brush to clean engine parts and such, The Eastwood 20 gal. model would probably fit the bill, and at $167 wouldn't be a wallet buster. As for a name how about "Little Red" or for a little class you might use "Le Ford Rouge", french for The Red Ford.
Yea been meaning to get one but need to rearrange some stuff to make floor space for one. Lol. I know I’ve got a problem!
@@IronTrapGarage I have one, the big harbor freight model but sans legs/used on benchtop near.the GWB you can have free if you happen to end up around here. I think it still has solvent in it too, dirty as it is.
You don't have a parts washer? Cleaning that pan and pump would be simple with one.
Scarlet Johansen for a name Matt. Why? Here's the definition of Scarlet Red. Scarlet is a brilliant red color, sometimes with a slightly orange tinge. In the spectrum of visible light, and on the traditional color wheel, it is one-quarter of the way between red and orange, slightly less orange than vermilion. And why Johansen? Those Curvy Fenders Of Course! Cheers! Zip~
I approve of this name choice haha
Call it Lucille after that famous redhead from the 50's & 60's.
Lucille from The Walking Dead she turned red a few times bloody Neegan.
You did check the numbers to see what sort of chevy it is, So The offset rocker coverr bolts and exhaust manifolds would make it a 265 .It would make a fun engine and because there are so many around ,parts are cheap.A set of early power pack heads and a duntov cam ,a multicarb set up etc would look great.
Staggered bolts on the valve covers ran until 59. In 60 changed to the even pattern
Name it "Ol' Red". Its catchy and not too complicated.
Yep, like I said, my '36 Ford has that big ol epoxy patch on the side of the block and head. I'll post videos of it soon.
Old school, keeping it real. There are a whole bunch of us viewers that can identify with what you are doing. Not that many of us have hoists!
I think Red Rod; easy to say, quick to type.
How about little red rooster
Ruby, yo!u have no choice! Love this car
Another good video. Because that car is not a radical hot rod ( no chop or channel, stock 265 2 barrel, skinny whites), how about a nod to Larry. The "Gentleman Tudor"
I'm betting that the engine is a 55 or 56 265 cu in engine. If there is an oil filter on the lower left rear corner of the block, it is a 1956 engine. If there is no oil filter, then the engine is a 1955 and would have a partial flow oil filter mounted on top of the intake manifold.
Call it Cherry Pie, after the Skip & Flip/Marvin and Johnny song. It'd be a nice sixties song reference and it works for the color too!
No brand new stuff is usually Chinese made junk that old pump will be fine
You need to get rid of those old cheap ass jack stands you have under that car
Definitely my favorite car on your channel... love everything about this sweet piece of history
Glad you enjoy it!
Definitely try to pressurize the engine. It will save you some trouble if it is cracked. If it is hit me up I have a 56 265 shirt block with later 197 heads,early 4bbl aluminum intake. Came out of my dads 36 Chevy. Horse trading welcomed.
Thanks Tom we're hoping luck is on our side!
If it does NOT have an oil filter on the bottom left side of engine, then it's a 1955 265. If it DOES have an oil filter, then it's a 1956 265 (possibly a 1957 early production)
Those are 55 or 56 exhaust manifolds.
I don't think they had J-B Weld when that car was put together it probably had form a gasket non hardening in the holes they didn't have silicone or any of that stuff back then form a gasket number one or number two
34gasm
55 block shouldn't have an oil filter boss on the block-had external remote filter-pan gasket will be slightly different also-Block is valuable to a restorer that needs the right date code-few other 55-57 block quirks too
I thought only the canadin blocks had no provision for oil filter ?
The stock 265 my 1955 Chevy had an external oil filter mounted on the top of the engine next to the oil breather tube. Maybe it was an option or was added by the original owner but it sure looked like a factory unit.
Small block Chevy oil pumps are really cheap. I think I'd just replace it.
I wonder if they secured those plugs with a weak mix epoxy to act as freeze plugs ?
Looks tomato color so: Beefsteak, tomato nasty, Ragu, old stanf by Italian stallion
How about Sista Sludge for the car name?
Matt it might be a good sign that you didn't push any water out of the cylinders and also typically the SBC will crack horizontally across the block side somewhere around the freeze out plugs . good luck
Thanks for the tip
No water in the oil, no water on plugs or in cylinders. You might luck out if block wasn’t full and left some expansion room.
we're hoping luck is on our side!
With as easy/sketchy as those plugs where installed I would think if it had froze that would have pushed out those plugs before it cracked the cast block. You may have benefited by someone else's sketchy work. Good luck and stay safe.
Lets hope you're right!!
My red wagon
Had water in it car is red car is old. Call it the 34 Ford Fire Brigade Project
Usually the rocker covers come off first and judging by the crud in the pan the rockers and valley are crudded too.
My Camaro motor at just seven years old had baked oil in the rockers and valley.
Better to know this stuff sooner rather than later. Did you ever find the windshield for that thing? You should call this car Tiny Tim.
We were able to find the windshield!
Red Baron 4 the name
How about the Red Bonnie (Bonnie & Clyde).
You should prime the oil pump with a drill motor and a mating shaft. That way the cam, crank, bearings etc will be oiled up and not dry when it starts, also you'll know if the pump is okay.
Ruby
Name it Clyde. After Bonnie and Clyde
I got a positive feeling that motor will run. Worked on a lot of small block Chevys back in the late 70ds and 80ds. Was a Chevy guy till i bought my first Modle A couple years ago.
Love the 34 My favorite now or maybe at least till you work on the 32. 😉😁 thanks for sharing. 👍
does Andrew have a project he is working on? if so..show n tell? new sub here..
He has a Model T project but is low on funds so doesn’t work on it much
On the hose extension use heat shrinking tubing to hold it
"Little Red Riding Coupe." Hey there Little Red Riding Coupe, you sure are looking good. The engine plant you referred to is in Tonawanda. It's a native American word. Tonawanda is located between Buffalo and Niagara Falls, along the Niagara River.
Call it "Lady in Red" -- KInda reminds me a little of John Dillinger's last car, a red '33 Essex Terraplane. Not exactly a '34 Ford, but Dillinger did favor Fords and stole a '34 once. LOL
That doesn't look too bad. The dipstick on the 289 installed in my Hupmobile had been under water so long that it rusted off.
Hoping the block isn't cracked. 55 was the first year Chevy made a small block V8 I believe, and is part of the car's history. It would be cool to see it running again. As for a name, keep it simple. 34 Tudor.
Just call it Robert, seeing that its a red ford (Robert Redford)
Cant top that one!
cant believe you said that out load
If I'm correct you should have freeze plugs on that block replace all those tap those little plugs that fell out put a new bolt in each one I don't think you crack your block so far so good that's a sweet gem you got there
Great point!
@@IronTrapGarage really I honestly think you did not crack that block love your videos brother keep up the great work and I'll see you on the next video
It's kinda funny how this video popped up, I just yanked a a seized 350 out of an El Camino today that had also been sitting full of water. I pulled the dipstick tube and about a gallon of water shot out like a geyser lol
One thing I thought of while watching you with the curly tubing would be to have one of you stretch out the tube while the other heated up the tubing to relax the curl, maybe cool it under water after heating. Also wondered how it would be to fill the motor with kerosene or kerosene oil mix and just run the oil pump a little at a time to clean all the oil passages, see if it comes up through the heads. Just a couple thoughts and thanks for sharing. Ps, a compression check wouldn't hurt either.
When I was younger , early 50s I remember a Ford pick=up with a Cad. engine the owner called it a Fordalac... maybe a name play on the engine with the '34 body ?
I feel bad for you Matt, I could see the look of disappointment on you face . Keep moving forward and hope for the best .
we're hoping luck is on our side!
Every frozen 265 I have seen broke low on the side of the block about half way. very visible external break. Either side. I think you're good.
Not a huge amount of water? Some times the freeze plugs will save it? No telling whats going to happen. I am ready for the first start video hope it works with out any cracks.
If the block was not full of water you might be OK. Room for the ice to expand. I can't understand how the water jacket isn;t rusted solid if it's straight water. Good luck!
I would want to call it cherry because of the color but then Ethol sedan sounds cool too
I have seen a 56 olds barn find full to the top with white mayonnaise-like sludge, so this is not that bad, but you still need to sell it to me!! Red Rocket is a good name for it, Hot Wheels did a series called Larry's garage and it has a 34 sedan in it!
Once again another amazing video. I would name that car speed buggy, looks fast and kinda like an old horse buggy. Lol. See you on the next video
Put an olds in it and call it the red rocket
HI Matt one of the first to comment but can't say much as Jed and I haven't finished watching. Jed wanted to say hello again. Hello Matt he say's I have him for the weekend again. Will comment more when I have finished watching Jeremy and Jed Downunder
The TimTam special 😁