Why CAN'T I Get A Good USED Engine? What's Going On?
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Nice to se you still have the GT500
I understand they are a sponsor and their money helps fund your production of these videos. But I can't help but feel its a bit ironic that the message throughout this video is other businesses doing shady things, meanwhile BetterHelp is finally making payments based on a settlement with the FTC from almost a year ago, for allegedly sharing approx 800,000 customers personal health data with advertisers. The settlement is just under $10 per affected person, and is claused that making the settlement is not an admission of guilt or wrongdoing by BetterHealth. The same way Hoovie got a refund after his engine supplier realized the cost of saying sorry was lower than daring him to prove they were doing shady things.
Better help is a scam!!!
Please Wizard, not you too...
Better help is an awful company. Go read up on them. Please don't use them in the future. Lots of great TH-cam videos out there discussing the matter.
I’ll speak for my own salvage yard… we sell used engines and transmissions and most often there’s not much issues on what we sell. The problem becomes customers buying engines/transmissions that are known to be junk from the factory. Yes, we’ll sell you a used 5.4 Triton, a 2.7 Chrysler V6, a Nissan CVT, but don’t be surprised if it becomes a problem. We warranty engine/transmission replacement up to 3 times before we start investigating ourselves. There are junkyards that know they sell junk, we also have customers who actively try and scam us returning items that aren’t ours as “defective” units.
I will say things are going to get worse unfortunately, a lot of us mom and pop junkyards are getting bought out of business, big corporations like LKQ and Fenix are turning what we’re once good salvage yards into a corporate chains with questionable quality control.
@@johnz8210 LQK just stop picking up the phone when i needed to order something. I just when to another company.
Yeah, when buying a known bad major part (engine, trans) that vehicle is likely in the scrap yard because of that issue.
Same would go for buying a cheap car from the northeast sight unseen and expecting it to be a fun chassis to build... No, it's 99.999% going to be rusted unsalvageable scrap.
I seen so many brand new Hyundai EVs and KIA Evs on junkyard.
@@johnz8210 they mirror inventory with other yards in network. A part in Indianapolis will show up in Chicago or a part in DFW will actually be in Houston, it’s really annoying and often done automatically. We’re also part of a network of salvage yards but each independently owned, we get calls for a part that supposedly is in our yard, but it’s actually not… It’s an issue with car-part.
lkq has bought out a dozen or more pick your part junkyards in southern california, totally saturating the market. the entry fee keeps going up, the parts prices keep going up, and employees are some of the rudest people you’ll ever meet
I remember when every small town had an engine rebuild shop. Starter winding shop. Etc.
those days are long gone now days
Yes the same in australia , and I know for a fact , being in the trade ,as honesty dissapeard so did the independent shops , customers wouldn't pay there bills and the mom and dad shops got fed up and walked away , ask any mechanic from the mid 80s onward , and they will tell the same story.
that was before the government took total control of the auto industry. its a race to the bottom as far as quality goes
After more than 20 years in the automotive repair business. When people would ask for a used transmission or engine I would tell them you already have a used one.
Interesting. I had great luck with used transmissions. Back in the 90s I paid $1200 to have a mid-80s GM transmission rebuilt. The first one had lasted 250k miles. The rebuilt one? Died in the middle of an intersection at 50k miles. After that I got a used one from a junk yard, paid $250 and paid my mechanic another $250 to put it in.
Yup, the only time I've done this at a shop is if it's for the owner or owners friend, someone other than a person off the street.
And even then something always pops up
@@elisabethkolling6697
1200 was kind of a rip for that , around 97 I paid 1200 for a completely new long block vw 1.9 diesel engine.
@@elisabethkolling6697 i couldn't stomach 1500 for a "rebuilt" trans, did it myself instead. took much time and learning but still going strong 1yr later.
At least your real with them. Odds are another used transmition is on its way out, if not there already. I don't know of anyone who has the $$$$$ and decides to sell a good running transmission out of their car just to update it, lol. And if its out of a junkyard, 95% odds are that's why it ended up there....or getting there.
I used to deal with a local salvage yard back in the early 90's that would provide a video (as in, filmed on an old-school VHS tape-style camera and then played on a TV set for you in the yard's office) of the engine running, usually still in the vehicle, but sometimes on an engine stand with water & gas connected. During the filming the dude would write a stock number on the block with a yellow paint pen (which you could then match-up with the actual engine you were buying later) and zoom-in on the stamped engine number if it was accessible.
All his used engines were filmed and tested running and they had a very good reputation (most of the stock he bought were low-mileage, late model vehicles that had been in wrecks or written-off due to hail damage etc); he charged a fair bit more for these used engines than his competition, but he always had difficulty keeping up with demand for them regardless. He would also sell you a junk engine if you really wanted one for a core, parts or for rebuilding purposes, but these were always clearly labelled as such and priced accordingly.
yes sir. I remember integrity as well. better times
that's just genius
@@-jimmyjames Nah it's still around, but you have to be willing to hunt for it, can't be lazy. It might take you awhile to find it and maybe it's not even in your town. And then once you do, you have to be willing to pay for it. It's usually more expensive cause it's more work.
@@enermaxstephens1051 oh yeah. Ive been doing this for a long while. since 90s. it has become much harder and MUCH more scammy rip off. If i deal with a foreign i deal with jdm or european importers with a good reputation. best bet. I also deal with somewhat rare cars and its very tough as the parts and or engines dry up and the scammers seize the day. Just bought a drivetrain for a 3000gt VR4 and it had blow buy. but was a supposed low mileage JDM fresh off the boat for example. welp its on my engine stand getting a refresh. And ive had much more trouble with domestic "LIGHTLY LOW MILE ENGINES" ive received a lot of CRAP my experience that times are indeed getting tougher. just my two pennies. Cheers
I sometimes think that some businesses have the philosophy of “bleep” the customer one time real good. And if they never come back, who cares.
you see why a new engine is a guarantee that it will be a good engine and you will get it faster then a used bad engine
@@raven4k998 yeah, it will last exactly 40k till you need to give it that 25k worth of ferrari love.... people dont really understand prices of car repairs anymore. You buy a whole nother quattroporte for under 20k
You must live in Florida. That's the name of the game here.
1995 to 2005 was the sweet spot for cars, reliable electronics and engines.
Haha not at all
Yup. My Dodge Ram is a 2002 and still going strong. No plans on getting rid of it until the body rots off the frame.
@@matth5309Our you do not get new or remade parts.
Had a crappy 2004 Chevy venture van with 215k miles on the same trans and engine. Sold it for $2k last year. It was a good beater lol
Go buy a Cadillac NorthStar.
Integrity is severely lacking in the world today.
There are so many business leaders and politicians who are blatant criminals these days, the regular folk just emulate them now and get away with it.
And greed is in high supply.
Facts!!!
Yes
unchecked "capitalism"
the need to acquire more and more and the expense of everything. Cause after all...
its nothing personal, its just business.
Finally someone said it "Today's engines are not meant to be rebuilt" thanks to these big manufacturers in the next decade we may be looking for a mule and a cart.
Sir your cart needs new bearings.
I can get you a set of used ones right away!
We live in a throwaway society, today's engines are just to complex for most mechanics to spend the time to rebuild one.
Not necessarily so much complex just very poorly built and thought out
@@gregbourke1500 Try doing a timing chain on a morden Merc, special tools & a lot of knowledge required & a lot of other engine are just as difficult
You can rebuild today's engines. The problem is it is so expensive it isn't worth it.
"Why not have an honest business and operate with good principles?" preach brother!
It is cheaper to set up a fly by night business, offer too good to be true deals that under cut honest businesses, make a few quick bucks scamming people, then close up shop in the middle of the night and start again the next day under a new name.
That’s America, baby. Race to the bottom. 3rd world country with a Gucci belt. Hoovie can afford a new engine. Us relative brokies can’t
where is the big easy profit in that?
Because business owners are greedy psychopaths who care more about money than doing the right thing.
I say the same thing about rug dealers! Seems obvious.
I bought a used engine from local "reputable" salvage yard that does a lot of business. The business claimed it was inspected and ran prior to removal. It shows up promptly and I decide to change the timing belt prior to install as it's easy to do. Pulled the timing belt cover to find a broken belt that had obviously been broken years prior, the engine had valve damage and obviously never ran by the salvage yard.
One of the issues is that so many cars that will need an engine can’t get good ones because so many others of the same model need one, too.
Would you tell us of one such make and model?
@@JasbirSingh-zj1fg Hyundai, Chrysler, Ford.
My truck needs a new engine but the dealership only found one junkyard engine on the entire west coast. This is for a model that is still being made too. If it was 5 years older I would find a completely rebuilt one for $1500. For my truck the block is $4000 by itself.
I'd buy an engine from the guy who runs the I Do Cars TH-cam channel. He seems honest and thorough.
He stands behind them too
And he says people are not maintaining their vehicles like they should.
@@BruceLee-xn3nn Well he pulls apart the failed ones, and as a junkyard all he would see are the junked ones.
@@CheepchipsableE.g. negativity / surviorship bias
Yes sir I follow him also, he is pretty big and like me , does not make dates to repair, we have a schedule
Small block Chevy, looking better everyday.
Or pretty much any cast iron American engine.
Buy a jasper rebuilt engine with a warranty they cost more but they will last .
Quit buying junk from scammers,and junk yards the cars in there are junk that's way they call it a junk yard😂
Yup! I see them cheap with lower miles after rebuilds where the power still isnt enough for some folks.
Car wizard I work on tractors and have had brand new engines come truck freight and be no good. It's not just the junkyard, the freight companies can destroy a brand new engine with carelessness.
Here in the UK we pulled a 1963 engine from a scrap Mini. It purrs like a kitten. Old-school simple build quality.
Those old engines were so simple
And expected to last 50k to 80k miles between rebuilds. But simple to rebuild too.
Same, 1967 1100 rescued in 1991, just cleaned, flushed and still running today. Never been rebuilt or touched the SU's.
@@xpusostomos Yes, you are so correct. Wife just needed a shopping car with a good engine, it does the job just fine.
I remember my first mini was a 61 850 I bought as a smoking but clean body runner for $500 in the early 80's. I went to a wrecker and bought a $500 engine and gearbox that they claimed was only 20k miles old, most other 850 mini engines were around $300. I drove that car to work for a decade and then sold it for $1500.00.
I really should never have let it go.
Motorcycle engines are the same. I got my Harley bored out and new heads and cams put on it by a retired Harley mechanic. He told me that what makes for alot of problems is there's lots of shops, especially dealers that will just pick parts off the shelf and put them together without measuring any tolerances. He said he's personally seen lots of engines that are already way out of spec. With literally brand new! There's a huge difference between an actual experienced mechanic and a parts changer!
Harley's do love a bit of bore olvalization
Yeah if you are an engine builder you can't simply throw "parts" at it, you have to measure and ensure tolerances are correct.... Which is why I am not an engine builder, because I could do that but that's not what I would pay for, because it isn't right.
I have 2 Harleys. One of them is a 1989 FXRS. I had a local independent Harley shop rebuild the engine about 3 years ago, and it has been fine ever since. It had 81,000 miles on it when I decided to get it rebuilt. I bought it used with just over 20,000 miles on it, I have no idea how it had been treated before I bought it, it looked almost new, but that doesn't mean the engine had been properly maintained and not abused. The former owner was a "polisher" He spent more time keeping it looking good than he did riding it, and possibly maintaining it.
same with Hyundai KIA engines.
Yeah well the wizard is a parts changer
So many of us out here who don't have a million subscribers getting screwed and we can't do anything.
It would be cool if there was a youtube account that would investigate regular peoples problems and call out bad companies.
There is one guy @stevelehto
He used to be a lemon law lawyer and now showcases interesting cases on his channel.
Google is very useful, read the company reviews to get an idea of the company.
The crooked business should be exposed anyway. Suggestion to buyers: Credit card is your first line minimum defense; crooked sellers know most people will not take them to court
jeep , rangerovers, KIA, audi, GM, hyundai...
Scotty Kilmer has been known to do this.
I was told a while back. the number one complaint at the State attorney generals office is crooked car mechanics.
99% of mechanics give the rest a bad name.
Words of wisdom. If you are a customer, one tip: never buy an engine yourself. Go to a trusted shop, and let them handle everything, from buying the engine to building it in. I made a big mistake by buying a refurbished engine from what I believed to be a reliable rebuilding company, Fraser Engines from Michigan. Big mistake. Engine was a dud, and they refused to honor their warranty. Lots of weird calls / emails / threats. Even got a call from the owner with his lawyer where they yelled at me. Being a lawyer myself I am not easily intimidated. After threatening with lawsuits and complaints to the BBB they finally shipped another engine to my shop. They never picked up the bad engine from my shop, and they never reimbursed my shop for the labor it took to put in a bad engine.
yes sir. maybe spend a few more bucks but your ASP is covered. Great point.
When I have issues with a merchant and they don't want to honor their warranty, I turn to my credit card company for recourse. I've done this when a company did not complete the installation of windows as per their installation process. The credit card pull back the payment to the company until they completed the work as they stated it should have been done. They took me seriously when the credit card company pull back payment. Always Use a Credit Card just in case you need recourse with a merchant.
In Canada the CC company just hangs up on you.......
@@1974Qball Canada is not a real country. It's a meme state.
@@Nick-ue7iw Canada is a joke.
@@Nick-ue7iwlol I know right
@@Nick-ue7iw Enjoy your upcoming election month.
What I do when I need a replacement engine is go to Pull-a-part. Look for a car that's been hit as it was probably running. Then I can pull the plugs and look at the cylinders while it's still in the donor. If it looks good, I'll pull it and take it partially apart there in the yard - flip it and remove the pan and check the bottom end. Depending on the engine, i may even pull the heads off in the yard.
I figure the cost of new gaskets is well worth it. I get it home, completely disassemble, clean and fix anything I find. It's not really a rebuild, but the extra time is worth it and with Pull-A-Part prices, I come out ahead, other than my time. With two engines, I end up not typically needing any extra parts besides consumables.
It's just not worth the risk to me to install a used engine without first getting inside it. So much easier to fix any issues on the stand rather than in the car when it fails down the road. YMMV.
Can you pull out a Toyota or Honda engine at Pull-a-part? I thought those engines typically drop down from below, so the car must be lifted up high on a car lift.
@@donaldlee6760 The ones I've been to (primarily in NE Ohio) have the cars pre-lifted and there's a roll-around hoist you can use. I won't say dropping the engine out from below is easy, but it's doable.
A lot of times, you can remove the radiator and support (and everything else) and pull it out from the front too.
Gotta get creative and always be careful. I'll typically drop it onto a hood turned upside-down so I can slide it out easier.
If all your accessories are good, it's cheaper to buy it without, and removing all that stuff takes a lot of weight off.
I usually plan on it being a two-day ordeal. Spend Saturday checking out all the cars that have potential and hopefully finding one to target. Then spend any time left removing accessories and anything else that would get in the way to prep for the next day - also note any tools needed that I may not have expected. Then get there when they open on Sunday and focus on dropping the engine out, confirming it's good, and getting the staff to bring it out of the yard for me.
@AnotherOne00-mrgitdown Grand AM Quad 4s were known turds. Crazy expensive from junkyards and nowhere to be found.
My brother and I have gotten quite a few good used engines from you-pull-it yards. Vehicles involved in side or rear impact accidents are usually good candidates or if it looks like it was grandpa's old truck that no one in the family wanted after he died (or they were asking way too much $$ on FB market place then hauled it off to the scrap yard for an easy quick buck).
Here in Germany they put new engine not used
I'm turning 40 this year, and I refuse to buy newer than 2015 ...I hate all the electronics...I graduated 2002 ...a sweet spot...so many good cars on the road and shit was so much cheaper....
I worked in the wrecking yard business for 8 years. I quit a few months after the yard was sold to LKQ. We tested every engine we sold. Also finding information on engines is a lot easier with the internet now. Ask for the vin number to the engine they are selling. See if you can find the pics from copart. If the car was wrecked then 99% of the time the engine is good. Also ALWAYS pay with a credit card so you can do a charge back if they try and rip you off
Don't give better help your money. It is a scam service. They do not even hire licensed professionals, they will hire anyone who says they are a therapist.
Who would’ve thought that blind psychiatry over the internet wouldn’t be effective?
Hoovie does not get screwed. He buys nightmares because it is good for his channel and for yours.
💯. Nobody that has a history of being a dealer going back as far as Tyler would be dumb enough to get screwed like that over and over again. It’s good for his TH-cam brand. Fine. I have no problem with that. Hell I watch for the next flaming trash fire train wreck. lol. But don’t play it off as anyone “getting screwed”.
I believe you!
Hoovie likely has way more successes than failures. The bad deals make his youtube channel
Im surw hed rather not deal the hassle for one video these days. Hes got bigger things going on at his new property.
Exactly. Hoovie loses money to MAKE money. It's all about the 'woe is me' aspect. Hey props to him, he found a nitch in the TH-cam ecosystem that provides a good income. More power to him
A good friend of mine just went through this exact kind of garbage. The engine in his high-mileage Honda Ridgeline finally gave up, so, he bought a used engine. It died in less than a month. He ended up spending WAY more than the thing was worth on it.
I just don’t get how anyone can buy a used engine without knowing exactly where it came from.
The seller will probably give you a worse engine than you had.
yeah, my sister got a Hyundai SUV its a nightmare.
@@kuyre2239GDI engines an entire mess sooner or later.
LS the world
@@markoz673bajen8Lol you are correct. Probably could've LS swapped the thing for way cheaper.
Poor quality parts has been an issue in many industries for a long time, and got worse after the red lung. So many knowledgeable people who took pride in their work are just gone now, and the new batch are grifters who will take you for everything you have. We see it in IT too, 3-4 year old laptops that we cant find motherboards or batteries for since everything on them is soldered and the manufacturer stopped making parts as soon as the warranty was up. And these are business class machines, not consumer slop.
Yep I’m all industries, all part of the globalist climate change agenda in order to bring down the petro dollar global economy and bring in establish the new digital social credit system known as “the mark of beast” system infused with AI(devil tech)
As a fellow professional in automotive industry, I enjoy your channel, but your experience is nothing like ours. We don’t have many wealthy customers, so that means we have changed a lot of used engines from salvage yards. Very rarely have we had a problem with one, and on that rare occasion, we’ve had no trouble getting it warranty. Most salvage yards in our area give a 30 day warranty, which is all you need on a used engine, when you put it in you know if it’s good or not. And again on the occasion we have ever had a problem, the salvage yard always works with us on labor costs as well.
Yes, there are risks and challenges with anything, but overall it has been lucrative for us. Not everybody can afford a brand new car. And a working person here in Central New York can’t always afford to throw away an eight or $10,000 car can afford a brand new/Reman engine.
With all due respect, I think you’re exaggerating here. In almost 50 years, we have never had an occasion where we have put in three, four, five engines in and had one last 30 days. It just honestly does not ever happen. I think you slipped up here a little misleading people by scaring them with exaggeration.
You’d need to come over to the Midwest and experience see for yourself how many shady deceitful lying scum bags there are out here just look you right in the face and tell you it’s a good motor without blinking, plus they all get offensive and aggressive hesitant if you even ask for simple compression test
yeah I'm unsubscribing from wizard. He's gone down the YT ratings rabbit hole of everything is a disaster and now hawking scam company ads. Reality is as you say. Order used engine from salvage yard. Inspect and if it's junk they have to warranty it. You install and it blows they have to warranty it. Or just rebuild the engine and move on with life with a 24 month warranty.
@@TheRetarp I don't know what was going on when he made this video. I try not to say lie but hard to call talking about putting 3,4,5 used engines in the same vehicle literally never happens. Anywhere. Ever. The wizard not only embarrassed himself in this one, he has grossly mislead people on this subject. TH-camrs eventually learn that negativity is what gets clicks, so as you say, that's exactly what it appears he is doing. But I still hold out hope that he will apologize for this, dump whoever suggested he go this route, and reclaim his rep as a likable, knowledgeable automotive professional. Sadly, the fact that two days has passed- and you know he reads the comments- with no response does not bode well. Just over here waiting and hoping for a correction video.
I do wonder if his perspective is skewed by the types of clients he has. His shop mostly works on high end luxury and exotics now. Would it really be that much of a nightmare to find a decent used engine for like a 10 year old Rav4?
@@gwpeoples Maybe. But I would think that doing used engine swaps in high end cars would be LESS likely to be problematic.
The junkyards in my area will not take back a used engine unless you can physically show them damage or if you installed it and then they send a person to hear it knock or tick. They actually spray paint the bellhousing flange and back of the flex plate to prove that you installed the engine. They say its because they are having trouble getting good engines and they dont want people refusing or returning and engine just because "it looks ugly" or"it has sluge in it". Its crazy plus for any warranty the junkyard makes you replace all the gaskets except for the head gaskets and all timing components. But on the otherhand i have seen some crate remanufactured engines that were of very poor quality too so no matter what option you choose, its all a gamble.
Hoovie is your best customer and now BetterHelp's top client 😅
A old friend of mine used Better health for a few weeks. At first he said it was OK .But after the third week he said he just felt like he was repeating himself over and over. And his spam calls and emails went literally through the roof. Were he use to get maybe a dozen a week. Turned into over a dozen a Frigging day. Sadly this post will probably be deleted within a day if not less than an hour .
Every time I jump in my 1995 LS400 I feel so lucky because the engine in so excellent. Nearly 30 years on the engine is only now starting to weep oil..but no actual drops yet 400k kms (not miles). Cheers from sunny Australia.
I love my Dodge with over 300,000 miles- no leaks.
Almost all original.
Original spark plugs (16).
@@rdallas81 platinum iridium plugs are almost lifetime parts BUT I would pull one to check to see if any spark erosion has occurred. Cheers from sunny Australia!!
Listen to this man folks I learned a hard lesson from not listening to him. Believe me he is doing us all a great service by educating us on how things are right now. Thank you Wizard for sharing the knowledge you have learned through the years.
lol no hes full of himself and wrong.
@@dingleberries360 Do I sense a little jealousy in that statement? Do you think I care what you think? There are two types of people in the world. Those that produce things and those that do not produce anything. He shares his time and knowledge gained over many years on a regular basis, probably after his business has closed for the day and everyone has gone home. He stays and produces content that is helpful to others. Nobody is making him do it, he does it out of his desire to share his experience and make a little extra money for his family. I am happy he has found success on TH-cam and glad his hard work has paid off.
I think he would do a better service by detailing and naming the companies who do this.
Using your YT clout to get your own money back is just helping himself.
@@Cheepchipsable he opens himself up to a defamation suit by doing that publicly.
@@JimBronson Not defamation if it's true and you got evidence to back it up.
I know 2-3 mechanics who watch your videos. Thank you Sir
When I was a tech at a Toyota dealership with had this company that supplied us with used engines because customers preferred it over a rebuild . They always test them and they came with a warranty. Apart from giving me one with a crushed oil pan we luckily never had issues with them.
How badly crushed? They can be replaced...
People just need to make common sense decisions. If you’re buying an engine that was built with known defects such as a year with low tension rings or a Kia engine 😂😂 than it’s a waste of money. Buy a 4.0 Toyota engine and there’s a good bet you’re getting a good running engine!
I have to say, I own a shop and we will only deal with LKQ on used parts. They are fantastic. Their customer service is great and they have always honored their warranties for us.
As a broke apprentice I had my 2015cherokee 3.2l die. I bought a used one from LKQ and swapped it myself, it's still running strong 4 years later. And I do more oil change now :)
You're not wrong, "Mr Subaru" (along with you the only You Tuber bigger than Sasquatch) went through three engines from an extended warranty company (no compression) before he got a good one.
That said I got a great tight and solid low mileage engine installed by my mechanic, still going strong years later.
Is that a Subaru problem though... Mr Subaru seems to make a lot of excuses for Subaru quality (a bit like a VW guy in that sense)!
This is the same thing I saw in compact construction equipment. Our shop made it a hard rule, new or manufacturer re-man only. Then if a re-man failed we could do it again for warranty instead of charging for labor again. Far fewer angry customers that way.
I was looking through your affiliate links, Milwaukee doesn't sell through Amazon. They will deny all warranty for anything bought through them. They're list of approved sellers is on their web site.
2:50 He stabbed the coolant passages with his steely screwdriver but he just can clear the beast! Last thing I remember, Hoovie's running for the door ...
because he couldn't clear the coolant passage, to the clear place that it was before, relax said the engine seller we are programmed to deceive, you can check out any time you like, since you Hoovie we can't deceive...
Welcome to the hotel hoovie
Don Henley 😮
Hotel California
Havent had that spirit here since 1969
I don't use used engines after I was going to make a 2002 Tundra an offroad toy. I got 4 engines from a yard and all 4 of them had problems with the back two cylinders. Credit to the yard, the owner would come out and look at the engine and refund or return the engines.
I'll share a though with you that entered my own head some time ago.. At this point with used cars and the markets being what they are, combined with the parts crisis, it won't be much longer until we as mechanics, out of necessity, will have to be able to perform at least the most perfunctory and basic machine work in-house, if we're to keep anything going. Much like the grandfathers before us who had to do a little bit of everything under one roof in a similar situation. Even on brand new stuff we're forced to make our own parts or doctor up the only ones available that still don't fit or work right.
I see a HUGE cottage industry for engine/chassis management electronics on the horizon as well
Friend of mine went through this with a 4r70w transmission for his Crown Vic.
After the second used dead transmission, I rebuilt his original transmission and installed a refurbished torque converter. That was three years ago and that trans still works perfectly.
Back in 2020 my 2006 Chrysler Town and County had its engine go bad. I was looking at a new rebuilt engine. It had a three year guarantee. The cost of a rebuilt 3.3 liter Chrysler V6 was $3200. The cost to install it was an additional $1500. So $4700 to get a 14 year old car running?. Forget it. I used that as a down payment on a new car.
But that's how modern classics like the Town and Country get scrapped. :(
This video not only describes with utmost fidelity the state of affairs of modern IC engines, but the car industry as a whole. Thank you Sir!!!❤❤❤
If you're in a position of needing a replacement engine or transmission in your only vehicle, you need another vehicle. It's just that simple. If you rely on it to get to work and feed your family, it's over between you and that vehicle. Either trade it in, sell for parts, let the bank have it, whatever. Get something else and move on.
If you have time to wait on repairs, used engines can be okay PROVIDED you hear them run prior to purchase. Find a wrecked car at auction with the same engine code, inspect it, see if it runs, and buy that and do the swap. Or buy a car with title issues and yank the engine. Yes, you'll be responsible for paying for removal of two engines and installation of one, so 1.5X labor. However, you'll have the confidence of knowing your replacement engine will work AND once you sell/part out the rest of the donor car, you'll probably save money in the long run vs buying an engine that's already removed (which you're paying for the labor of anyway, just not on your mechanic's bill.)
A $5000 engine is a lot cheaper then a $70000 truck.
I have bought a rear wrecked car for the engine or trans and also usually has small other parts that sweeten the deal .
@@Nick-ue7iw Nobody "needs" a 70K truck.
Even the new vehicles are having engines fail prematurely. Hell, the new tundras are having major engine failures. Nothing is built to last anymore, and we're all the poor saps suffering
OR
Be responsible and be capable of fixing your own vehicle.
I had less than $1000 saved and blew an engine.
I got a used core and put the two together.
I drove it 22,000 miles last year.
Mine is a 1.9 vw tdi with the ecu deleted installed in a 1981 vw rabbit pickup.
75mpg.
No sensors or electronics what so ever.
And can rebuild the engine for $1k
The used engine market always amazes me. No compression report or anything - its a total crap shoot.
Last two engine swaps I did I got extremely lucky. Found one from a rusted out, low mileage Grand Pa's relic, the other from a totaled wreck junked by a insurance company. Too find them both within months of each other was amazing.
We used to have a society….
you are old
The problem is that a lot of us dont have the money to just scrap a car due to a bad engine. We need to go with the cheapest option
Exactly. I have an s550 with a sick engine. A new engine for this car is over $30k.
well it goes to show if your going the cheapest option go with that used auto yard he recommended then because as he said they are the ten percent good used engines that you can buy
@@raven4k998 Trouble is, that the industry is being infested with such unscrupulous ticks and bounders that it is difficult to say what is what. It appears that most of the warranties that these sellers write aren't worth the paper they are written on. Difficult to say which seller is reputable and which is fly-by-night enterprise running a confidence game.
Unfortunately the cheap option might well be selling the old vehicle for parts and getting something else that's running.
Cheap often becomes expensive. Due diligence is required
A good credit card company will refund a bad purchase. Let your CC company do all the fighting
Maybe Amex but most won't
Big ticket items like engines are harder to do that with, and usually are not bought with cc
@Kwijibob
If bought online it's with a CC.
@@Kwijibob if you're paying more than $750 for an engine, you don't need that pos vehicle LOL
I honor my warranties..but dont try to pay for repairs with a credit card. I will keep your car until you come up with cash. Dont like that? Go elsewhere.
Storys like this is why I mostly only do used rotary engine rebuilds. With those, you're gonna have to disassemble the bought used engjne anyways to gather up all the good used parts so you can put together an engine that will start and actually run. Throwing any used engine in blind is just asking for trouble these days.
There's not a whole lot of rotary tho lol
The car and motorcycle industry is going down the tube after 25 years its just not getting better
They want that everybody only uses EVs now
I buy a running salvage vehicle to source used engines and transmissions. You can usually sell the good parts that are left and scrap the rest and get your money back
2:55 if you think cooling jackets packed with rust is bad, ive had motors with cooling jackets plugged up with head gasket stop leak lol.
Even a “new” engine from the dealer is remanufactured.
Not always and even if just the block is used, I wouldn't really call it used or reman. Many brake calipers are sold as new but are actually reman.
@@rkan2 new= foundry to my vehicle.
Ford used to supply new cars with engines built with undersize crank pins; if the new crank was found to be outside tolerance in production they ground it smaller and fitted undersize shells.They changed their reconditioning supplier in the UK in the early eighties who supplied engine and driveline units in a sick pea green colour and they were absolute garbage; would find the castings had broken studs still fitted and painted over.
Last year, actually around this day, my the engine in my Ram 1500 3.6L exploded. Because of the economy and the truck being paid off and yearly rust proofed (I live in Ontario, Canada), a engine replacement was the more cost efficient option then a new truck. The only seller I trusted was a local salvage yard.
Yes, no one is disagreeing that a used engine might be more economical as a solution...if it works out.
The problem is unless you know the seller your chances of getting junk are higher, (in part due to the way modern engines are manufactured). And even if you do get some resolution you have lost months of time and money over it.
Rust free, in Ontario?! You may have a unicorn.
Out of all the trucks I looked at after my old Jeep was wrote off right when COVID hit, this one was the only yearly rust proofed, and a Ford dealer let it go for previous owner trade in right before the chip shortage to move it, I couldnt say no.
@@Travesty_INC Score!
My 2004 Hemi has 300,000 + miles.
Original spark plugs-
No leaks.
Looks like the 66 Chevelle has become lift art.
It will soon be gone
Of course, another abandonned project
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We still have great luck with used engines at our shop. It’s usually Chevy or ford stuff. We absolutely inspect everything before install though
Not surprised that more modern engines are hard to find as rebuilds given how complicated engines have gotten since i was a kid. ( child of the 1970s).
The engine itself isn't that much more complicated, it's still suck, squeeze, bang, blow. It's all the equipment around, and on, it that makes it complicated.
@@darkiee69 That is exactly what i meant, ignition systems have gone from mechanical to electronic ignition and all engines are computer controlled with sensors all over the place, add to that that engines seem to be built with much less room for error compared to decades ago and it's no surprise its hard to find good rebuilt engines when so many probably just aren't able to be rebuilt.
@@darkiee69Well thats a part of the engine. Also, even the internals are more complicated: cylimder coatings, tighter tolerances, variable cam timing and lift etc etc
Yes the engine itself is more complicated. bruh....
Trying to find a good machinist is getting harder too. Young people just aren’t going into that profession like they used to and guys are retiring that have decades of know how.
Last time I heard “, bro you’re about to get blasted hard” was at a truck stop at three in the morning
Lmfao
You win bro 😂
That's......a little too much information.
@@markh.6687 sharing is caring. Let us now how it went.
@@markm0000 I'm not the one who got blasted.
I have went through 3 Briggs/Murray Push Mowers in 3 years-all bought from Walmart, I change Oil Often and keep them clean and out of weather, all of them start Knocking and may Lock up before one year is on them. A Lawn Mower Mechanic said just throw them away. It is sad, I have a Lawn Mower that is maybe 35 years old that I paid $39 at a Gibson store years ago that will still run and cut grass, yes it has had several Carb. Kits installed and has Sheared several Crank Pins but it will still run and cut grass and does not smoke or burn oil...
There’s a reason why the best most skilled talk show hosts come from the Midwest - Carson from Nebraska and Letterman from Indiana - they’re just great people and they speak in a way that is really fun to listen to. David speaks so well and is so professorial, I always feel like I learn things when I watch his videos.
At one time, durable goods were devices that were designed for long term use. They were designed to be maintained and fixed, when appropriate.
Then a shift occurred. Electronics became unrepairable, or “disposable” items. TVs, radios, microwaves, appliances, all became disposable. It is not possible to maintain/repair a refrigerator/television/dishwasher. When it has a service issue, it is disposed of, and recycled.
The issue has been graduating to cars. “Your head gasket went. Your car is totaled”, is not uncommon on vehicles that are relatively young.
Too complicated/expensive to fix. This will only end when consumers demand durable goods. (Personally, I don’t believe that I’ll be alive to see that day. I’m in my mid 50s).
It’s our fault this is the way it is we are too stubborn to not buy the stuff . And plenty of stuff can be fixed so that’s hogwash. I’ve fixed freezers and a dryer and dishwasher and a microwave…. But yeah consumers need to demand it but unfortunately we’re suckers and we are so gullible we fall for the marketing. We want to keep up with our neighbors or friends so why should a company make something that lasts a long time wr are programmed to get bored of it or desire a better newer thing. It’s not the government or corporations it’s us, consumers.
@@peterad1529 yeah. Please find me an f’ing tv repair shop.
@@peterad1529Well said. Lower price and shiny new paint trumps all for most consumers.
It's called "capitalism".
Manufacturers don't make money if their products last a long time, so they need to make the item they sold you redundant in one way or another to force you to buy another.
Also people won't pay for quality goods or services.
@@paulc7486 Of course modern tvs can be repaired though. The fault in a modern LCD television is usually just the backlights or the main board. You can DIY it. Labour costs for somebody else to fix it for you is usually not viable though, since the new ones are so comparatively inexpensive. Heck you can even get universal boards to run old CRT TVs, though only people who know what they are doing ought to be playing around inside high voltage CRT televisions.
I've installed 4 used engines before, and all 4 were good. I purchased from my local junkyards with a good reputation. They were more expensive than what I could find online, but I don't want to risk buying online and not knowing what I'm getting.
I've got good junkyard motors. Look for clean under the valve covers , look for metal in the oil pan and play in the connecting rods. A hobby project can do this. It's no way to run a business, but after new gaskets and seals it can work for a project car
Back in the 90's, I bought a complete IROC 5.7 to put in my truck. Only problem is that I should have gotten one with all the brackets. Had to chase down a few when I didn't have the exact year of the car it came out of. Engine ran flawlessly though.
As a mechanic with over 50 yrs experience few people maintain the engine properly,the used engines I buy I go through before I install.bearings,oil pump,timing components, water pump and that is only after a bore and cam and lifter inspection shows no issues.
A second question. "Why can't we get good quality parts?" Ex. Plastic water pump impellers and thermostat housings are just two I ran into recently. Car has 54k miles and needed a pump (with no more fins on impeller) and a housing which had a hairline crack. I am sure it will need a new (plastic) radiator since the pump fins are somewhere inside. Really enjoy you and Hoovies channels.
J&J Auto Wrecking is superb. Have done business with them for several years. They keep no iffy parts.
I believe Wizard's used J&J for Hoovie in the past.
I cant even find a shop that will do a good rebuild. Years ago you knew you were getting an engine that would last just as long as the original.
I have had good luck with powertrain products engines. Put on in my F150. May be worth looking at them. I got a rebuilt and they updated cam phasers, high flow oil pump, and they added threads so the spark plugs don't snap. They are doing all of the right things with their rebuilds.
It's been said that if the vehicle is wrecked, it's very likely it was running at the time. Now, it's not always practical to visit the donor vehicle, but if you can, do it and take a good mechanic to advise you. Otherwise, you're playing pin-the-tail, not just in the dark, but in another room.
It’s the main reason why Powerstroke Specialty of Buford, GA doesn’t touch 6.4L Powerstroke engines anymore: there are no rebuildable cores left. They all got destroyed because of the way the Emissions system was designed.
EDIT: J&J Auto Wrecking was the one that sold the engines to Jared Pink of The Questionable Garage for his Project TriHard Plymouth Duster, and the Hemi they sent him that they thought was a stock 6.1L out of a Grand Cherokee SRT8 was in reality a fully built 426 Stroker! (That engine is going to be the permanent engine for Project TriHard!)
RIP to Bill Hewitt too, that was a sad one because he was truly a master of his craft
I wonder if there is going to be a market for a 6.7L powerstroke swap if the 6.4's are being burned up like this.
@@volvo09 Considering that the 6.4 is well after the emissions regulations were installed its not a issue in this case.
Now for someone running a 7.3L Powerstroke your point does stand and perhaps with pre DEF 6.0L Powerstroke guys as well.
@@Hybris51129 I caught my screw up, I was thinking early 6.0
I deleted my comment before I saw your reply 🤣
So, can I assume from these comments that I should sell both of my 6.0 liter diesels? They seem to run fine. My trucks are worth nothing? GREAT!
I bought a "remanufactured" K24W for my 2003 Accord in 2016 but after only 64,000 miles and three years, the timing chain slipped, with the expected catastrophic result!
When I replaced the engine again (yeah, I'm that crazy!) in 2022 (the car was parked-up for the duration of the p-demic), I went for a used JDM motor from a 2006-2007 TSX, and its so far, so good, after 8,000 miles.
did you change the chain when u installed the first reman?
@@llama9274 The chain and tensioner assembly was part of the remanufactured engine, the engine would not run without it.
Lol watching this video i went thru 3 youtube commercials. A pitch for another dismantler. A pitch for another youtube channel and a pitch on tools for sale all in 13 min.
I own Toyota and Honda's and after changing my own timing belt I thought about one day swapping an engine. Where can one buy a JDM engine and what do they typically cost (roughly)? Also do you need a lift and replace from under the car or can you use an engine hoist out the top like I see Mr. Subaru use? I'm just DIY so I'll never have a car lift.
If you live near a port city either on the West Coast or east, plenty of wholesalers with low milage JDM engines available@@donaldlee6760
I owned a mid-80's Toyota Tercel wagon that had a 3AC engine in it. Not bad, but they had a habit of somehow having the rings get caught and pulling the bottom of the number 3 cylinder and separating it from the top. It kept running though it made a smoke screen out the back. Got you home, but it was junk. For whatever reason, Japan had an engine replacement policy and you could get engines with about 30k miles on them for next to nothing. New belts, hoses, timing belts, put in the engine and you are good for another 120k miles on your Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, or Mit. I NEVER had any problem with any of 60 or 70 I replaced (had a business doing replacements in Toyotas). Nowadays? Glad I am retired.
I remember a coworker, at a car dealership I worked at in the 80s, got a 30,000 mile engine for his Toyota truck and replaced it over a weekend. I thought he was BS-ing me until the engine showed up.
Japan does that bc of very strict emissions law.
I had an employer in Emeryville California who not disclose shipping charges, core charges and if the transmission or motor was bad the end user bore the shipping costs. The tendency to send the worst product first seemed to be intentional. If you purchased a rebuilt there the quality control was just as bad. Most of these engines were not made to be repaired. The problem is getting worse. There are a few that offer a good warranty and stand behind it. Buyer beware.
What we've got here a result is exceptionally accurate statistics, measurements, budget-cutting, efficiency, control over the production process, but also greenwashing and a lack of attention paid to quality. In the past, if engineers figured a part had to stand up to a certain load and the numbers indicated it needed to be at least 2mm thick, they'd build it 3mm thick just to be sure. Now everything is built to the exact spec and as a result it fails almost on cue, and also becomes irreparable scrap. The shameless sons of mothers in management will tell you to your face that this is their way of promoting sustainable practices. Think it through, and then ask yourself whether whatever government that legislated such policies was/is honest and working in the interest of the common man!
shops are tired of crap parts, flipped parts and out of stock parts.. wonder if everything will just start closing up?
That was the automakers would love, people with no other choice to buy a new car or use there service department in order to get back on the road.
Real independent automotive repair is rare and expensive these days, hence why I see a lot of brake and tire and muffler shops.
New Vehicles are getting to the point you jack up the license plate and slide a new vehicle under it.
I think a first generation chevy engine , if you can find one , is safe to buy if you do your homework ,I bought a 350 Vortec, 1997, I heard it run and watched the exhaust on a cold start up . I had the heads milled, valve job and new valve springs , new seals, first magnafluxed ,new roller cam , hotter,
cam, runs great and will probably outlast me .
you basically remanufactured it having bought after making sure it runs.
In case of this video they bought an engine off the shelf sight inseen.
I know, I watched the video , was only making a comment
Good info. You have to watch the big box store rebuilt engines too
LOVE the Car Wizard....I wish i lived close enough to utilize his services.
“Welcome to Hoovie’s Garage”… well might as well be.
The Wizard's shop should have "Hoovie's Annex" signage for the back 6 stalls.
Because you can’t learn anything because Wizard is Hoovie’s mechanic, right?
Greetings from Germany. Here you can get lot's of used engines, transmissions or electronic controllers all with warranty.
These ripping off methods are very unusual out here. It could happen of course but it's rare.
It's spelled "Consumer protection laws" and it's one of the good things about EU.
We have stupid laws that prevent importers from bringing in good engines. You’d have to disassemble them and reassemble an engine to get it to the US. Maybe not for gas so much but definitely diesel.
Yup, and they are still selling us phones with non-replaceable batteries. A lot of McMansion homes here, just big cardboard boxes compared to German quality homes. Junk homes are being thrown up everywhere here by mega Developers backed by banks who also make the loans. Our (?) country is totally corrupt. US INC.
I used to work in Stuttgart. My dear German friends did many things right.
They always loved to visit me here in the States. I would let them play with my incredible gun collection at my home range. So they blew away $200 in ammo, big deal!
Wizard, as someone in psych, DROP BETTERHELP AS A SPONSOR! You hate the situation you're experiencing with bad engines and sketchy sellers? BetterHelp and businesses like them are our equivalent.
Seems like all this reinforces the fact that proper maintenance, oil and filter changes, coolant changes, etc., is worth the money you spend so you don't end up needing to replace your engine.
Buy with credit card, if they give u the run around call cc company and tell them u didnt get product they'll take money back from retsiler.
My guy pulled my 2011 prius engine out . Total labor and everything $2,800. For used engine 50k miles
Where are you located? I need a "GOOD" prius 2010 1.8 engine !
If you think it is bad now, just wait until all the new parts are this way. Eventually you won't be able to work on a car or even own one at all.
It's getting there already. Bad parts from mainstream parts stores seem way more common. Even dealer supplied parts aren't always the same as what came on the car. It's a mess.
I don't think that things will get this bad. AI will help us get perfectly good parts.
It's hard to feel sorry for somebody who keeps buying terrible cars just for his content. Even when they are bad he can afford to fix them, make TH-cam videos, and he is lucky to have a patient mechanic in his corner to help.
Every time I watch these videos I am so impressed with the integrity and honesty The Wizard brings. So many businesses could benefit from the "hamdshake" you, Rainman, Eric O. and others give to this world. Thanks and thank you for your service. God bless you and your family.
Before I purchase a vehicle. I ensure a JDM engine and trans are available. Over the years, I have done over a dozen of these engines for myself or friends. Even though the engine is in good shape, I do all gaskets less head gasket, timing belt, tensioner, water pump, thermostadt, etc, or a timing chainset if equiped. Only vehicle I have that a JDM is not available is my 1987 B2000 truck. If that engine ever blows, I am not even screw around and do a complete rebuild. If lunched and nothin there to rebuild, going to Pull-A-Part wrecking yard and buying a $225 running engine. Then rebuild that engine. Do not screw around. The other idea is to do a 1JZ Toyota engine and trans swap. Not going for horsepower, just to be different. I turn my own wrenches and do my own fab work, if not, these options would be cost prohibitive.
More likely that used engines are likely all bought out now because more and more, people are using used engines to try to keep their cars on the road for longer. So now they are all gone. At least, that is my guess.
Ding ding ding! Correct
That and cash for clunkers program ruined a bunch of perfectly good engines
My situation, i had to get my engine changed out. Either i took a gamble and get a used engine form a junk yard, really no warranty to speak of, or a remanufactured engine with a 3 year 100k mile warranty. That was a no brainer for me. I got the remanufactured one. Even if i had to take a small loan out to do it. Remanufactured engine for me was 4500 dollars. To do total swap out, with engine cost was 7500 dollars. Its a load off my mind because if it goes bad within 3 years or 100k miles, im good. Its like buying a new car almost. Its been totally worth it.
My experience was opposite. Remanufactured engine from Jasper. They replaced it twice under warranty over 3 years. New engines don't work for rebuilding. The labor doing it is poorly done 😊
@@bkturley9964 my vehicle was a Chevy Equinox. Do a quick search on those engines. Prior to changing out my engine, I was throwing in a quart of oil every 500 miles or so. Sometimes more often. Manufactured engine fixed the short comings of that engine, and my oil is good from oil change to oil change. 5 thousand miles. So, it was very much worth it in that sense. And I’m not worried about the engine blowing up because I forgot to check the oil in 300 or so miles.
3k to swap out engine? Jeez man, you've been raped 😢
Feels like back when I did automotive work it was 10% at most that you'd get a bad used part, people weren't as dishonest. Now like you said it's like 10% of the time you get a good part... Hell, even brand new parts come out of spec.
Car wizard from one vet to another thank you for your service both in the military and under the hood!
Our shop installed a used 3.8 in a 2009 Pacifica. Everything appeared good, but it ran like crap. One bank of the engine did not fire and had good compression. Turns out, the bank that wasn’t firing was 180 degrees out of time. Would never expect that.
Pacifica was 04 - 08.
How can one bank be out of time and not the other? I didn't even know that was possible on an OHV pushrod engine.
@@joshuagibson2520 I’m sorry, it was 4.0 v-6. Was a long time ago. And they year may be not accurate. But trust me, this happened. It was a huge money loser for our shop.
Wow
Wizard, great point. All new vehicles have gravitated to a common design. Aluminum block, open deck, variable valve timing, DOHC with long timing chains, direct injection, coil over plugs, crank sensors. These are race car engines designed to last just the length of a race and thrown away. Engines are lighter, but the rest of vehicle is heavier with accessories you never knew you needed. This is what sells for big price tag and profits.