I picked up the CPM Spy 27 version of this Native Chief and I have a Lynch clip ready for it. It'll be perfect for running and other stuff where weight is an issue. Edit: I have already carried it while running, it is much lighter than even my PM2 (G10, S30V) and sits well in the pocket even when my legs are in motion.
Ah likes mah french fried patatas with mustard on them. Also just picked up a Spyderco Native Chief Lightweight in Black & Serrated. Great video and a thumbs up too.
Hi, very nice video. I'm from Sardinia (Italy) and that knife is called Pattadese wich means from Pattada. I have a native chief in s30v and I agree with you they are very similar knives, the only big difference is the thickness of the blade, the native chief is much thicker.
hi, how does this steel hold an edge? What steel can it be compared to? We all know that Spyderco’s s30 has one of the worst heat treatments, in terms of the number of cuts it loses, for example, Benchmade by half, the question is, is it worth paying more?
Hi. Good question. True my Spydercos in S30V don´t hold an edge as long as other knives in S30V. I would put BD1N in terms of edge retention anywhere between high hardness AUS10A, VG10 and softish S35VN. I don´t know if my experience is a little bit better because my Para 3 in BD1n was just a rare example of a really well heat treated BD1N, which is where most of my experience with that steels comes from. Toughness was also really good on that knife. Better than it should be according to Larrin Tomas from knifesteelnerds. I think the big factor here is that despite it having less edge retention than S35VN, S30V you can still get an excellent sharp edge back with relatively low effort, where you have to put up more effort on the other steels. Depends on what you like i guess. I like steels that take an edge well and quickly and have more toughness, so i prefer it over S30V from Spyderco at least. The geometry on the Native Chief turned out to be not as thin as i first expected, so you might see lower edge retention on that knife anyways, because geometry has a huge impact on that. If the S30V models are ground to the same specs, and with the Spyderco HT i would not expect endless edge Rt from the Native. So i personnaly would not pick the S30V for that reason. The Magnacut or one of the many sprint runs might be more interesting for you if you look for high ER. Hope that helps.
I picked up one of these kinds and have been using it for around a month breaking down boxes 5 days a week multiple times a day at my job. I have used many knives for this and most require resharpening sooner than I would prefer with the only exception being my Native 5 in Maxamet. This knife surprised me a lot because I wasn't expecting great performance based on what I had heard of the knife steel, however, the blade length and the blade thinness have allowed this knife to out perform knives I didn't think it would. Even after the knife stops being super sharp it continues to cut boxes with the least issue because of the design. I carry a ceramic hone/strop combination tool and this quickly gets the edge back to a very good degree of sharpness if necessary. The blade finish is also more resistant to adhesives sticking to it than a lot of other finishes. Hope this helps.
@EubaFett Hopefully I'll be getting one soon, going to Blade Show Texas next month, the Yojumbo and the native chief are on my hit list from Spyderco, amoung other knives of course LoL, glad to hear about the finish resisting tape sticking to it because I also break down boxes and tape sticking to your blade is so frustrating, the shinier the finished the worse it is, I know that it won't repell tape completely but I'm sure it comes off much easier, I'll be looking for it in this finish for sure. Stay safe and God bless.
Just here to mention I had a really weird experience with this knife, I have the fully serrated version with BD1N steel. I was using the knife to puncture a hole in the bottom of an empty plastic (!) bottle when the tip broke. I've never seen anything like it in my many years of collecting and working with knives. I'm not saying it's a bad knife, maybe I just got unlucky with mine but I've never seen a knife break on a plastic bottle before
@@NetshadeX was it like one of those thick plastic containers ? If not you might have had a crack in the steel from something else ( maybe the knife was dropped once before) and than that fracture expanded and led to it breaking overtime. The tip is very delicate after all. Hard to say what happened here.
@@megaronknives3032 Hi, it was an empty coca cola bottle. The idea was to make a small hole in the bottom, fill it with water and hang it up for my dog. She loves playing with that water stream. What I did was set the tip of the blade against the bottom and rotate the blade back and forth in somewhat of a drilling motion. This because the bottom of a coke bottle is too thick to easily puncture. After 2 or three motions I could feel I wasn't making any progress. I looked at the blade and felt the tip with my thumb. It was needle sharp before but now felt completely dull. Upon closer inspection the very tip, around the width of the edge, had broken off and was stuck in the coca cola bottle. I couldn't believe it. The knife hadn't fallen and hadn't hit anything during the week I've had it for. I'm returning it to the store today to see if they'll help me. I have around 250 knives in my collection and I haven't seen any steel behave like this. Again I could have just gotten unlucky with this particular knife, doesn't mean they're all bad.
@@NetshadeX This knife has a very delciate tip and also a lot of tips are overheated when they are sharpened on the belt grinder, making them prone to breaking. Hard to say what exactly happended here. Not something unusal though, those things happen from time to time.
I have a Native Chief in Rex 45. I prefer the Resilience in S35VN even though it is liner lock and made in the CCP. Very similar blade profiles. I prefer the Police over the Military liner lock which is the opposite. The Phosphor Bronze washers will last longer than me.
BD1N has less toughness than S30V or S35VN; it's similar to that of S90V but that steel has superb edge retention. So BD1N is nothing special, really. It would be amazing if Spyderco would offer this knife in 14C28N (this is amazingly tough steel; comparable to 3V it that regards). LC200N steel is also incredibly tough.
i completely disagree. Also S90V has twice the amount of carbide volume. S30V, S35VN and S90V are a different genre of steel and not intended for the same use. its tougher than S30 and S90V. Not sure about S35VN, that would come down to the hardness/ht i guess. 14C28N is tougher agree, but has less edge retention. And yes you are right 14C28N is special for a stainless. Maybe you had a bad experience with BD1N, it performed really well for me.
If toughness of a non premium stainless steel is a must then 14c28n is the very best choice. Bd1n does not have toughness that high at all. Based on the date Knifesteelnerd got from testing a ton of different knife steels BD1N falls very close to the range of S30V, S35VN or S90V. So it's not how I feel about some steel but actual data from testing.
@@mr.zzgogfi7470 right. AEB-L is even higher in toughness. Love them both. I have read Mr. Thomas article a while ago and was surprised back then, because i have used all of these steels from Spyderco extensively and have not found this to be the case. Maybe it’s a heat treat thing. Idk. But my knives in Bd1n didn’t behave like he has described it. I will keep using different knives in this steel and see how that goes. Thx for pointing it out. Cheers.
Yeah, I was also very surprised with his data about 14C28N (my favourite steel) and also about other steels. I like your review of Native Chief Lightweight. I might get one in Magnacut or LC200N. Thanks for the chat.
Good review, I am still on the fence about getting one of these in Magnacut. There is one more difference between yours and the forthcoming Magnacut edition. The latter will be a Salt series knife, so ALL of the hardware will be highly corrosion resistant, not just the blade.
Awesome video! Have the Native Chief in M390 DLC blade with G10 scales. It's a great EDC knife, lightweight and slicey. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks man. I am actually working on the full review currently and will upload that in the next week or so.
Shiny clips shout: "I have a knife!"...
I picked up the CPM Spy 27 version of this Native Chief and I have a Lynch clip ready for it. It'll be perfect for running and other stuff where weight is an issue.
Edit: I have already carried it while running, it is much lighter than even my PM2 (G10, S30V) and sits well in the pocket even when my legs are in motion.
Ah likes mah french fried patatas with mustard on them. Also just picked up a Spyderco Native Chief Lightweight in Black & Serrated. Great video and a thumbs up too.
Hi, very nice video.
I'm from Sardinia (Italy) and that knife is called Pattadese wich means from Pattada. I have a native chief in s30v and I agree with you they are very similar knives, the only big difference is the thickness of the blade, the native chief is much thicker.
But what in a defwnd situation end you hit a gesp ore a dot from your blouse meaby the tip break i want buy one this one or manix xl
Please tell me, does this knife work with bronze washers or like the Native 5 without washers?
that Italian Salini pocket knife is sweet
Its called the Saladini pattada if you are looking for one. Cuts great, good built quality.
An auto ots native chief is my dream.
hi, how does this steel hold an edge? What steel can it be compared to? We all know that Spyderco’s s30 has one of the worst heat treatments, in terms of the number of cuts it loses, for example, Benchmade by half, the question is, is it worth paying more?
Hi. Good question.
True my Spydercos in S30V don´t hold an edge as long as other knives in S30V. I would put BD1N in terms of edge retention anywhere between high hardness AUS10A, VG10 and softish S35VN. I don´t know if my experience is a little bit better because my Para 3 in BD1n was just a rare example of a really well heat treated BD1N, which is where most of my experience with that steels comes from. Toughness was also really good on that knife. Better than it should be according to Larrin Tomas from knifesteelnerds.
I think the big factor here is that despite it having less edge retention than S35VN, S30V you can still get an excellent sharp edge back with relatively low effort, where you have to put up more effort on the other steels.
Depends on what you like i guess. I like steels that take an edge well and quickly and have more toughness, so i prefer it over S30V from Spyderco at least.
The geometry on the Native Chief turned out to be not as thin as i first expected, so you might see lower edge retention on that knife anyways, because geometry has a huge impact on that. If the S30V models are ground to the same specs, and with the Spyderco HT i would not expect endless edge Rt from the Native.
So i personnaly would not pick the S30V for that reason. The Magnacut or one of the many sprint runs might be more interesting for you if you look for high ER.
Hope that helps.
@@megaronknives3032 thank you very much for your detailed answer, good luck and prosperity to you and your channel
Thank you, all the best for you as well!@@УмарУмаров-ы2я
I picked up one of these kinds and have been using it for around a month breaking down boxes 5 days a week multiple times a day at my job. I have used many knives for this and most require resharpening sooner than I would prefer with the only exception being my Native 5 in Maxamet. This knife surprised me a lot because I wasn't expecting great performance based on what I had heard of the knife steel, however, the blade length and the blade thinness have allowed this knife to out perform knives I didn't think it would. Even after the knife stops being super sharp it continues to cut boxes with the least issue because of the design. I carry a ceramic hone/strop combination tool and this quickly gets the edge back to a very good degree of sharpness if necessary. The blade finish is also more resistant to adhesives sticking to it than a lot of other finishes. Hope this helps.
@EubaFett
Hopefully I'll be getting one soon, going to Blade Show Texas next month, the Yojumbo and the native chief are on my hit list from Spyderco, amoung other knives of course LoL, glad to hear about the finish resisting tape sticking to it because I also break down boxes and tape sticking to your blade is so frustrating, the shinier the finished the worse it is, I know that it won't repell tape completely but I'm sure it comes off much easier, I'll be looking for it in this finish for sure. Stay safe and God bless.
Great video and review, thanks! I can picture the guy that jams this into a tree stump and breaks the tip off yelling that it's crap. Lol Thanks again
This will happen in at least one alternate universe
Just here to mention I had a really weird experience with this knife, I have the fully serrated version with BD1N steel. I was using the knife to puncture a hole in the bottom of an empty plastic (!) bottle when the tip broke. I've never seen anything like it in my many years of collecting and working with knives. I'm not saying it's a bad knife, maybe I just got unlucky with mine but I've never seen a knife break on a plastic bottle before
@@NetshadeX was it like one of those thick plastic containers ? If not you might have had a crack in the steel from something else ( maybe the knife was dropped once before) and than that fracture expanded and led to it breaking overtime. The tip is very delicate after all. Hard to say what happened here.
@@megaronknives3032 Hi, it was an empty coca cola bottle. The idea was to make a small hole in the bottom, fill it with water and hang it up for my dog. She loves playing with that water stream. What I did was set the tip of the blade against the bottom and rotate the blade back and forth in somewhat of a drilling motion. This because the bottom of a coke bottle is too thick to easily puncture. After 2 or three motions I could feel I wasn't making any progress. I looked at the blade and felt the tip with my thumb. It was needle sharp before but now felt completely dull. Upon closer inspection the very tip, around the width of the edge, had broken off and was stuck in the coca cola bottle. I couldn't believe it. The knife hadn't fallen and hadn't hit anything during the week I've had it for. I'm returning it to the store today to see if they'll help me. I have around 250 knives in my collection and I haven't seen any steel behave like this. Again I could have just gotten unlucky with this particular knife, doesn't mean they're all bad.
@@NetshadeX This knife has a very delciate tip and also a lot of tips are overheated when they are sharpened on the belt grinder, making them prone to breaking. Hard to say what exactly happended here. Not something unusal though, those things happen from time to time.
I have a Native Chief in Rex 45. I prefer the Resilience in S35VN even though it is liner lock and made in the CCP. Very similar blade profiles. I prefer the Police over the Military liner lock which is the opposite. The Phosphor Bronze washers will last longer than me.
After this years price hikes, it'll be the same price the S30V/G10 version has been.
Thats Spyderco's business model, the last few years.
That’s been everything in the last few years unfortunately 😢
BD1N has less toughness than S30V or S35VN; it's similar to that of S90V but that steel has superb edge retention.
So BD1N is nothing special, really.
It would be amazing if Spyderco would offer this knife in 14C28N (this is amazingly tough steel; comparable to 3V it that regards).
LC200N steel is also incredibly tough.
i completely disagree. Also S90V has twice the amount of carbide volume.
S30V, S35VN and S90V are a different genre of steel and not intended for the same use.
its tougher than S30 and S90V. Not sure about S35VN, that would come down to the hardness/ht i guess.
14C28N is tougher agree, but has less edge retention. And yes you are right 14C28N is special for a stainless.
Maybe you had a bad experience with BD1N, it performed really well for me.
If toughness of a non premium stainless steel is a must then 14c28n is the very best choice.
Bd1n does not have toughness that high at all.
Based on the date Knifesteelnerd got from testing a ton of different knife steels BD1N falls very close to the range of S30V, S35VN or S90V. So it's not how I feel about some steel but actual data from testing.
@@mr.zzgogfi7470 right. AEB-L is even higher in toughness. Love them both.
I have read Mr. Thomas article a while ago and was surprised back then, because i have used all of these steels from Spyderco extensively and have not found this to be the case. Maybe it’s a heat treat thing. Idk. But my knives in Bd1n didn’t behave like he has described it. I will keep using different knives in this steel and see how that goes. Thx for pointing it out. Cheers.
Yeah, I was also very surprised with his data about 14C28N (my favourite steel) and also about other steels.
I like your review of Native Chief Lightweight. I might get one in Magnacut or LC200N.
Thanks for the chat.
Good review, I am still on the fence about getting one of these in Magnacut. There is one more difference between yours and the forthcoming Magnacut edition. The latter will be a Salt series knife, so ALL of the hardware will be highly corrosion resistant, not just the blade.