Dyson Sphere Program | Advanced Belt Tips and Tricks
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Memruf's zigzag elevator video:
• Conveyor belt trick
My blueprint account:
www.dysonspher...
CHAPTERS
0:00 intro &prerequesites
0:31 Copy-paste is OP
4:57 Belt Bending
8:53 Combining methods
15:53 Off-grid belting
20:49 BONUS ROUND
24:29 outro
That's illegal
xD
Seeing this comment after looking at that candy cane sh¡t in the video made me die laughing. 😂
seems like an exploit that may be broken in a future update so im not risking it
Belt bending makes me think of avatar. Earth, fire, water, air. and belt.
Ah yes the 5 elements
Metal-bending.
master belter
beltalowda
Honestly, make more belt art and give us a vid of that. You're incredible.
It's crazy how the engine allows any of this to even happen in the first place, especially allowing things to be completely off-grid.
Excellent video, well done! I'm 66 hours in with my first dyson sphere almost done, and I understood this.
I dont know what i would use most of that stuff for, but dang thats a cool elevator. Im def building those. Kind of like a kinetic sculpture.
... where are the intermediate tutorial vids? I mean, I can get 'place belt with mouse'-videos a dime a dozen. AND i can get 'if you are already a grandmaster, here are some challenges for you' videos... but Where are the tuts that cover the large dark forest between 'click on ground to do stuff' and 'black magic'?
Still - very impressive video :D
This is incredible!
thank you!
We're not dealing with spaghetti here... starts to literally draw spaghetti lines
That is great. Something I found funny though was that in the time you took to explain that you would not explain basic stuff you could have explained the basic stuff.
if I were to explain them to my personal satisfaction this video would be twice the length and it's already too long. though I understand the sentiment I did only say the name of each thing with a single example. imagine if I took the same amount of time with each of those with each advanced example.
@@LudusMachinae "Press the up arrow to raise a belt's height by 1" isn't up to your satisfaction? It's up to ours.
What was that old quote.. "Don't let the pursuit of perfection be the enemy of good".
Sometimes "good enough" is good enough, especially with prerequisite information. :P
@@crystaldazz that doesn't cover how far you should be to begin a ramp, the differences in how the belt acts when moving up vs moving down, how belts act when you cut a ramp off early and try to continue, how belts can have steeper slopes if you begin by placing the flat ends of the belts first. you underestimate how complicated the normal belt mechanics are. never said it had to be perfect, just up to my standard
Blew my mind within less than a minute
2:19 jfyi: there is a button to reverse the entire belt direction
not when i recorded this XD
@@LudusMachinae i know, i played back then, it’s for the people that play now
These are some very cool techniques but the video would really benefit if you had written a script first.It's frustrating listening to you try to stutter through a complicated explanation that you sometimes had to *correct during editing
That's the number 1 thing I learned. Improvising that part was a bad idea but that's actually the best/least edited portion of the recording. My confidence level at that point was off the charts and my stutter *nearly* disappeared.
Brings a whole new meaning to the term "belt weaving"
There's spaghetti, then there's....dreadlocks.
diagonal is sqrt(2) = 1.41 so not quite 1.5 height units but 1.25 is fine
I'm not sure what you're talking about? there are lots of diagonals in this video. but belt heights can only be rational numbers because of how they go directly between the two previous rational numbers. so wherever you are square rooting must be a mistake. maybe a timestamp could help me understand?
@@LudusMachinae I believe he is referencing the length of a single unit diagonal length on the grid: assume a unit measure of 1 for each grid square, then apply Pythagorean theorem (a^2+b^2=c^2) and get a diagonal grid length of sqrt(2) or 1.4142
@@justinkraynie6435 yeah i understand where the numbers came from but i dont know what the hypotenuse length of a 1x1 triangle (which is already an abnormal belt) has to do with the height of belts max being 1.25, hes comparing hypotenuse with a side length in that case? and thats not even mentioning the grids are diffrent sizes than heights so that calculation wouldnt even be accurate
@@LudusMachinae I did not realize the XYZ axis did not all have the same size unit of measure, and i was referencing the hypotenuse measure going vertical, which is what I believe OP was implying.
@@justinkraynie6435 yeah grid sizes change greatly because of the spherical nature of the planets. and like I said a 1 length 1 height belt is still an abnormal belt so theres no reason to think that where the max number comes from
Impressive! Love your out of the box thinking.
Why am I only finding this now? This is a gold mine of logistics content.
"Please bear with me as I figure it out" I totally knew it! I knew you have no idea what your doing. I'm kidding, this is just sick! Thx for sharing!
I had it figured I swear! it just takes time :P
That is some really cool stuff. I was already happy to get some tighter bends by deleting the last flat part of up/down belts but this is incredible.
Fascinating tricks. Just a bit immersion breaking. I guess I'll hate to make a museum planet at some time for that cursed spaghetti.
Keep up the great work!
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yeah immersion has never been a big deal for me, I mean you're a mech standing on planets so small you can easily see the curve from the ground
Honestly DSP devs should just give up and make the belt hight adjustment finer, giving the player a choice to step in full hights, 1/2 or 1/4 hights.
awsome guides, not much else to say, just wanting to comment -> i watched all the way through and hope the algorithm is ever in your favour
I would probably only use a apiral for a fancy endpoint for my science, but for practicality in moving subcomponents im not really sure. It just cool with glowboxes :D
The only practical application might be having a "buffer" in the form of the belt spiral, but a storage unit would probably serve you better anyway
Sadly with the new update you can actually do this easier and faster, awesome video by the way
I'm gonna be honest, I started the video, saw the spirals and my immediate thought was "WOW! Noooooooooooope, not doing that."
I'm glad I kept watching though. Great tricks.
If this doesn't incentive the specs to add elevators I don't know what would…
Does this magic still work?!😮
I wonder if they will fix this bug at some point, then none of this will work. But until then a fun way to create even more Spagetti! :-)
I've never felt so at home... Listing off pre-req belt knowledge and I'm just like, "Yaaas bring it onnn!"
And to think I learned how to do this without blueprints ( although not as tight ) due to preferring high z layer polar/tropical/equibelts
Someone plays DSP on obsession level plsyer.
I know it's quite late for this question but anyone know a blueprint copy-paste mod that allows you to copy-pastes things like teleporting sorters? I quickly realized even if I use these sorters to create 1-belt input&output setup when I try to paste it to increase production rates they fail to paste and dont work. Would be great since multiplying production is the name of the game.
What the... I've been playing this for so long I didn't even know you can place belts diagonally LOL
And the cursed things you can make are unprecedented
Same here, after spending 300+ hours i finaly decided to see what the others did.
And here we go, i'm partially glad i didnt before, because the "mental spoil" is real.
Only a few games helps people thinker better, becoming smarter, i mean in DSP every problem can be solved different ways. (ONI or KSP makes me feel the same, even if it is not the same kind of game)
The good new is double : i can now imagine a new infinity of solutions for my next game of DSP !
And the time i spent playing before having a check on YT was really nice and worth to be "offline thinking".
Atm I'm really happy to find here and now , clever and patient persons. giving a second to life to this amazing game .
And honestly, I feel as small as white dwarves might do ( :
You guys, just bent the game !
Still works even after the new update :^)
This big update is the first time I was somewhat worried about things being patched out. Most of these tricks would require a major rewrite of some base mechanics to remove, I bet these tricks will still exist for another few years now.
Okay... 🤯 I got maybe 20% of that as you were going a little too fast for me. But thanks for the video! Looks useful!
This is awesome! I've really learned a lot from this video!
you are amazing, thanx for the vid!!
1st Time Watching... Not even 2:30 into video... "even in reverse". 😮 Why not just swap elevator direction and then copy? 🤔
Those are not tips and tricks, those are exploits (and they look foolish), ones that could also break any time or break your game after an update.
OMG I just finished the game, I never noticed you could increase heights of belts ... Great tips, thanks for the video
please send images because that sounds insane!
@@LudusMachinae I tried to link the my savegame but YT removed my comment.
@@dkby you ever used the subreddit? throw a few screencaps and they'll have a hoot
@@LudusMachinae good idea, will do
I played at launch and I did not know belt lift either. Its hell of a mess but can work
tight 👌
I might be digging a gave here. But with newer and newer updates, did this bending method get patched out? The new distribution system might've render this type of belt bending obsolete?
nope everything in this vid is still doable and none of these problems are solved by any planned features i know about.
@@LudusMachinaeon one hand I'm happy that all my blueprints are still viable. On the other hand, damn the dev team still didn't think elevation is an issue?! Or maybe stacking production units could be a good idea…
500 hours into my save and I'm just learning about this. Thank you so much!
still works ?
@@feardieshogun8153 Yes!
I was looking for a tutorial to make my builds not look like someone sneezed on my planet not a college space architecture class
Wow this is some crazy degenerate shit. I’ll have to keep this in the back pocket…
I like it, but one day, you might get an update that could break your entire setup though...
60 hours of gameplay, and I just discovered that you can lift the belts... :O
And the idea of crossing the belts with a filter is great.
This video has changed my life in the Game ;)
Those are excelent tips, but im affraid they come out with an update that correct most of those
You're blowing my mind dude I have almost 150 hours in the game and haven't figured ANY of this out lol
most of the time you dont need anything like these so you've probably just not tried lol. thank you very much.
@Ludus Machinae I can't find the one that does three up per side (just the 1 up and 2 up versions)
edit: referring to the spiral elevators
the 12 belt elevator requires multiple blueprints to build without issues. that's why they're Part 1 and 2. (it used to be the three I used in the video) place them in the given order and they should work without issue
The moment you did 180 degree belt I knew you were serious.
Oh great, now I can make literal spaghetti in the early game now!
This isn't advanced belt tips so much as it's PhD belt tips.
holy crap do i want to see a tour of your bases now!!!
are these techniques still working ?
How do you build diagonal belts now? I could do it in previous patches but now I can't find the way. Help please
press R 3 times like normal. still works for me after the update
You gonna tell us what mod you were using or what?
I wonder if you can still do that.
The sphaghetti i will be able to make with this O.o
I think it could be used to make a christmas tree
give this to some germans with free time and they will make monstrosities
German here... I'm on it! Awesome tricks to make neat designs
1:16 insert spittake video here
thanks i hate this XDDDD
the ultimate spaguetti monster
I dont see how all this trickery is necessary. How a planet is not enough space? I got up to those purple research packs, and never had tight space problems..
not that deep, just having fun
@@LudusMachinae ohh ok then.. btw game should have that freedom with belts in its normal placing. i have belts in factory that i work in that goes 1m up in 1m length.. wth DSP, make it happen..
1:3ß its so funny that this is possible hahaha
Me at minute 2:
WHAT THE F......!!!??!?!!?!?
Bro these Is elevator blueprints blew my mind.
then you should check out part 2 too
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I have said that the arbitrary belt limits need to be removed because they serve no purpose and videos like these prove there is no legitimate or technical reason for slopes to be restricted the way they are
I don't think I agree. arbitrary limitations imposed on the player is how innovation and variety in gameplay appears in factory games. you can make a similar argument with the size and shape of facilities and the use of sorters for inserting things. there's no technical reason for these to not be perfect little squares and maximum throughput insertion devices technecally. but because of these limitations you must think of solutions which can be optomized in many different respects
@@LudusMachinae Okay to a point but the end node cannot be a slope and the fact it takes multiple spaces for one unit of elevation is pushing suspension of disbelief obviously there should be some restrictions for sanity sake but the current restrictions are a bit overkill and it should be fundamentally easier to build more compact things plus you have games like satisfactory that actually provide dedicated conveyor lifts which IMO should be a thing in DSP
I have about 500 hours in this game but that was before the blueprints. There was only 1 shape of splitter
is it actually safe to use stuff like this? Or s it likely to be completely broken by an update?
lots of the tricks are byproducts of mechanics intended to make blueprints more consistent and easier to use. it would be incredibly difficult to remove those tricks without making normal blueprints even jankier than they are now and the devs wouldn't ruin normal blueprinting just to ruin belt benders fun. that's counter productive for both sides.
That means there's little reason to think the tricks would stop working unless there was some complete overhaul of the belting and blueprint system, also the last time that did happen (right before blueprints release) and tricks were lost. the previously placed ones continued working just fine. you only couldn't make new ones. that's likely the worst case scenerio
Bruh... You need to work for NASA
Thanks for the the vid, helped me a lot.
My blueprint pasting and copy is topdown, how do you make it so your pasting and copying isnt topdown?
that's a function of the mod I use. they're super easy to install. check my description! :)
@@LudusMachinae it doesnt show the mods you used in the description winky face
@@Elewisisking wtf I thought I did. my bad. I'll get it there asap but the one you're looking for is "BlueprintTweaks"
@@LudusMachinae ur good man, it was driving me crazy not knowing haha, cool video, learned a lot
crazy
I personally like those tricks with belts but i find it a bit cheaty, my rule for my games is simple, everything which can be built by hand is legal as long as it doesnt look completely broken. (I accidentally got a belt turn like those with those belt towers in my game once by hand, no blueprint involved)
you can find lots of little weirdness like this by just playing the game. Blueprint mode is just the easiest way to control exactly how things end up.
fantastic creativity.
impressive!
Pretty magic
You're incredible.
I came to youtube looking for a tutorial on how to use blueprints, exit with a feeling like I can make the same elevator but know I cannot
who knows, maybe you can break my elevator record
whats the key strokes to pull up a lower belt to the upper one??
My eyes are burning
Incredible video, you're a monster.
@0:14 "I will not be going over things like how to build diagonal belts"
How did I not know you could create belts diagonally.... I'm 400 hours in...
there's so many little things when using belts it's easy to miss! you ever pressed tab while using splitters?
@@LudusMachinae thankfully I stumbled upon the different splitters fairly early. Another thing I didn't realise until I was already hundreds of hours in was that you can free-rotate miners! That one's a game changer haha
Thanks for this video! Completely changed how I play
This is definitely going to get patched out...right?
look how old this vid is, there's been many patches and I've only noticed 1 thing stop working. I think they either like it or don't care
@@LudusMachinae I mean…yeah I did see the time stamp, but these are definitely exploits (not that I won’t use them, they are awesome) and it seems like something that they will eventually address and/or implement belt elevators etc. as part of the game itself.
@@Phelix22 oh yeah I'm sure the game will change over time. I found these when they released the blueprinting system and I remember the system taking a long time to build, for them to try and fix them theyll need to rewrite the belt system a 3rd time and I think they are reluctant.
Bro wtf...
Has any of this been patched yet?
nope! only the 3rd trick in my part 2 has been changed, and even that one is still possible, just slightly more difficult
@@LudusMachinae That's awesome, this video blew my mind when I found it last night.
genius
dope
Hello. Pls tell name of that mod - you use to rotate camera in blueprints.
Blueprint Tweaks by kremnev8 on thunderstore
Great video man!
thank you!
This video blew up my mind
did u have a link for the mod? I also want to unlock my cam, it's too har in vanilla to copy past belt
this is the mod used: dsp.thunderstore.io/package/kremnev8/BlueprintTweaks/
don't forget to also download the dependancy mods as well for it to work properly.
@@LudusMachinae thx for the mod!! and for ur tips and tricks! nice video
This is just wizardry. Bravo.
Does this still works?
as far as I am aware all these tricks still work (as of 6-21-22) there have been many updates since my uploading so I think these tricks are gonna be here for a while
@@LudusMachinae Nice
Clever af. Subbed already :D
nice video
omg TY TY Ludus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!