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- I used Ai to generate my game using different AI tools like ChatGPT, Midjourney, and Kaedim 3D! [Devlog #2]
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from what I have seen Kaedim is actually not using AI to generate but exploiting freelancers for quick modelling, can you comment on your experience with it? and if you got to test it out for free or actually paid the absurd prices if it were actual AI generation?
So they approached me as a tester and potential future sponsor, so I got to test it for "free" in exchange for feedback.
I had the same worry that you expressed in your comment, however after trying it out I noticed 2 things that convinced me that at least for the most part the assets are in fact AI generated:
1. first, the generation times are crazy fast, I'm talking 5-10min to get something quite complex... I personnaly don't know any modelers that could model complex characters that fast... it seems improbable to me.
2. Second, the mistakes that are made are weird, like it messes up with fingers and other stuff (ading a 6th finger... etc) which wouldn't happen to a Human since... generally humans know that we have 5 fingers XD.
What I do also know is that the generated meshes do often go through a quality control process where if necessary they get slightly retouched by their 3D art team... how much retouching happens and how well these artists are paid, that I don't know.
Thank you for your question! I pined your comment for others to see as well since I got asked this quite often.
Also, note that I don't actually know what goes on behind the scenes, I can't prove or disprove anything, this is simply my experience and the logical conclusion I came to.
@@Floky I see, what worries me is that they use the word AI only for marketing, the thing is, looking at the cost and the generation it just doesn't add up if it's an AI model even if just slightly tweaked by some modellers that they might have hired. Also why would things slip up like 6 fingers if it's reviewed by a modellers before sending, it seems like they try to have the look of AI generation for the fingers since it's known that it struggles with those kinds of generations and maybe they are just adding little errors to make it seem more likely to be AI.
I'm only proposing this "theory" since everything just does not add up, for a private company like them to have such an advanced model generation (that even bigger companies cannot achieve right now) without it even being open source seems fishy.
but yeah adding to it, try to compare other currently available AI 3d model generators to this one, the Kaedim generations just stand out
@@otDan I mean, I get what your saying... I just personally think it's not possible... Having 3D modelers on standby 24h and then the 3D modelers modeling at speeds that for me are simply not humanly possible is to be proof enough...
From the way I understand it quality check isn't performed on every model but more in random picks but they do have 3D artists that fix up your models if you report it on their discord server...
When it comes to pricing... I simply think that for now there is no real competitor so they don't need to reduce or adapt the price...
Finally to your argument about bigger company not having 3D modeling Ai is not entirely true, I know a few companies that have seriously impressive text to 3D, it's simply not available to the public yet... Also, there is a small company called sloyd which will also release a text to 3D Ai in the near future...
Not sure what the truth behind all this is but only time will tell I guess 😁
lol the ending got me :D Nice work my man!
Took me quite a while to edit hahaha
@@Floky I can tell that :) keep it up!
Great video and one of the best outros I've seen ! Really inspires me to create content about game devs !
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it!
Awesome video! I didn't know about the image to 3D model tool, that could actually be really useful!
Yeah, give it a bit more time and it might be able to spit out fully rigged characters 🤔
Kaedim3d is only accessible if you are rich. The payment system is outrageous. 150$ a month for the cheapest option plus you have to buy credits each time you generate something. So not only do you have to pay for the subscription but you also have to pay every time you generate something.
I agree, they are crazily overpriced atm :/
Yet you could hire an artist to make it for you. But I don't think they cost 150a month
Bouta commit fraud 😈😈😈
@@peteranthony8523 Pepsi: We paid 1 million for our logo to only be redesigned and it only took our client like 2 minutes. Look it up, you guys got it good.
Is there any alternative site that does the same thing as Kaedim3d? I want to do something similar to this but I cant really afford $20 per asset, and $150 a month haha
There's no way on planet earth I'm spending 200$ to start turning 2d into 3d. I can just do it myself in an hour or so at that point
How do you do it?
Im a 3D modeler so I can just use the 2D as a concept and model based off of it@@crazyfitz18
I think dude means it would be more profitable to learn how to do it yourself if you have to spend
Literally, with free addons it can even be done faster without spending a cent
@@TuneyDarkowhat plugins
The golem parts can all be nanite meshes. As in keep all the little boulders that make up the golem and convert them to nanite meshes in UE. This is what Epic did in one of the demos they released. I think it was Valley of the Acients, the giant boss at the end that shoots lazers out of its hand. There's not a ton of use cases for nanite meshes on a skele mesh, but a golem is the archetype use case.
That's an interesting idea 😁
Would that really work with the animation though...
Woahh The ending was out of this world. Must have took a hell lot of time to animate.
It did!!!!
I'm still waiting for the Angry birds pig thing you're making!
When will it be out?
@@Floky Hahah Yeah. I am still working on it. It will come out really soon. Hopefully in 2 weeks. Been really busy on something.
One way to get character concepts in Midjourney to face forward is to use the word "symmetrical" in your prompt
Speaking of animations, you can use the program called "Cascadeur".
In this program you can make good animation fast with assistance of an AI, which is physics based.
You literally make simple keyframes and the AI interpolates the animation, so it looks natural and alive.
I've heard about the software for a while but never got to actually try it :D
thanks!
Lowkey looking forward to playing your game. Keep up the good work!
Very entertaining content keep going.
Thank you 🙏
Try useing ue5.3 with cheat engine and photobashing ai app and blender ect than ya can create smoother counter balanced short cuts modules ect
7:10
deepmotion: hold my beer
also is that makima in the background 4:41
Indeed 😏
I can't believe you killed Ben😭
This video was awesome! Great workflow that I'd love to mess around with
No Ben was harmed in the production of this video!
I lied, quite a few Ben's had to die 😅
Honestly, it was very fun and satisfying to skip the modeling part and still get unique assets
Thank you,
Hope we can make a useful game that we can learn from it while playing.
Medo Hamdani
This is the problem with AI and true creativity... If you ask chat GPT (or sidekick) for a new turret for a tower defense game... it can't actually give you anything "new", it can only suggest things that have been done before. At best it can attempt to combine elements that have gone before. But here it didn't even do that. The tesla coil has been done multiple times in tower defense games.
This is not a knock on you, your game or even AI, it's a comment on using AI effectively. If people don't reiterate on what AI gives them back, you'll just end up with the same as what someone did before you. Don't get me wrong, people generate ideas in the exact same way AI does, just slower... we combine things that have gone before hopefully in to something new. But the originality comes from reiterating on ideas and designs, even if they have been influenced by other ideas that went before.
Just like yourself, I'll be using AI to help me create games (table top pen and paper games) and even though I have worked as a concept artist for almost 30 years, like yourself, we have to keep up with the times and I'll also be using AI to help with the art duties....
But...
As a tool to help, I certainly wont just settle with whatever AI gives me back. Best of luck with the game
the ideas for turrets were all from rogue tower, incredible
Hahaha
ayee new upload lets goo
:D
1:51 what is this music? i wish it was in the video description.
I'll tell you when I wake up 😊👍
what is the name of the note app that you take notes write down ideas in 1:20 ?
It's called Miro, really useful to brainstorm!
Another awesome and informative video Floky!
I’ve never heard of Kaedim before but will definitely be checking it out. Looks super useful!
Thanks!
Be warned, they are quite pricey
@@Floky $150 per month for 10 credits....ouch. Guess I wont quit my 3d modeling day job just yet!
@@CBSuper Yep, their pricing is not good at all... I think your job is safe... If anything ai probably will make your job easier since you'll have ai make a quick block out and you can fix up the errors and add needed details and personal touches 😉
@@Floky it is definitely amazing what AI can do now, but wow, i can only imagine what things will look like in a few years. Im already using chatgpt almost every day.
I think this company is using artists to do the job not AI. It was a big thread a few months ago.
Hi did you manually did the rigging part for animation?
No, mixamo does that for you ;)
If this company wasn't a scam that crutches on workers from poorer countries they would share what the AI designs look like before they get "touched up". However all requests to do so get people banned from their servers and their CEO refuses any interviews that discuss this topic.
If you were being honest about this product you would add a huge disclaimer about this service.
I def do not think that I'm dishonest... I found something I thought was cool, got to use it for free, tried it a bit, and made a video about it. That is all XD
I know there is quite a bit of uncertainty with kaedim legitimacy, and I personally don't have any proof of anything either... My personal opinion is that there has to be some kind of ai doing the modeling because I got the models crazy fast (1-3 min after putting up the image). I also had some encounters where I put a picture in and got some very funny results which a human wouldn't do.
Maybe I'll look into it and ask the ceo if he has something I could show as proof that it's AI.
REALY WHAT !
I think command and conquer red alert beat you to that Tesla coil idea by almost 3 decades.
Hahaha, yep you're totally right
FYI- these apps are not Artificial Intelligence. they're just apps. Calling them AI is like calling roller skates a car.
I WILL CRUSH U 💥
BOOOOB SMMAAAAASH!
Nice work, and damn Kaedim is actually pretty cool
It's great! I was quite surprised!
DON'T USE KAEDIM YOU IDIOT, IT'S NOT REAL, Floky censored it by deleting my last comment !
What is the playlist you were using on your last slender man stream?
I think it was a playlist from chill Astronaut 😉
@@Floky Thanks! Keep up the nice content!👍
@@-Carbon thanks!
Those AI tools look really handy. I never made 3D game yet as I'm making only 2D games so far, but this might help me in future. Thank for the video. You did a great job using the AI tools.
- Dan
Glad you found some utility in this video! 👍
Do you design your sprites by yourself or you use AI too? I’m just starting my own game and I suck at the design part😅
The return of the king! 👑👑
No U! :D
Whats a free 2d to 3d app?
Are there any small-budget or free to use 3D model generators out there?
There is one that looks promising and is partially free, it's called Latent Lab
@@Floky It looks like it's not for commercial use, and it doesn't do 3D models, only 360° images
@@Grimsikk im pretty you can download them as 3D fbx files
But yeah, not for commercial use, that's why it's free
@@Floky I guess I'm off to continue learning Blender lol. I'm trying to make a game by myself so I thought maybe AI would be a good way to help with the workload, but it is what it is.
@@Grimsikk give it a few more months and there might be an Ai 😂
You can also just use available assets too, no shame in that
Nice but :
- midjourney isnt free (they have disable the free mode)
- kaedim isnt free too (6$ for 3 trial LOL)
Never said anything about them being free... Midjourney is worth it tho!
Kaedim is def overpriced atm :/
@@Floky yeah, but experimenting something with tools that cost this much, sadly i can't try it myself :(
Nice ad for non-free Kaedim (
Epic
Thanks!
you added the giant spehere to the top and I feel lied to.
Delete this!
Kaedim is a scam btw, they don't actually use AI. They just pay someone in a cheap country like India to make the model. Cool video otherwise!
I checked it out and it seems that they do have 3D modelers (can't confirm the origin) but only to fix up meshes that need it after you report it, but they are AI... Believe me, I spammed their service and there is no way a modeler made these assets at that speed, also the mistakes the ai made sometimes are illogical to make as a human.
I can't confirm how much human input the models get but I do Know that the ai is real 😁
But, that's just my opinion, no facts to back it, just my own experience 😁
Also, glad you liked the video 😁
Kaedim is now $20 dollars a credit with no trial. Crazy
for less than that you can find a freelancer on upwork to do it for you. And no shady enterprise gets a cut. Since kaedim uses freelancers as well
I was about to click on the video but the bob broke my arm
You took too long... Sadly Bob isn't very patient 🤔
@@Floky hahaha
Excellent!
2:06 7:52
I miss him :.(
Also it doesn't help that AI about to take over 3:01
Yeah... Hopefully, the MilkKing is back soon...
New Video 👀❤😱
kaedim is crazy expensive. 150 bucks a month my man
Yeah... It's stupid
It really upsets me when people promote that Kaedim thing
Why is that? Because they apparently fake it? Have you ever tried it? Because if you did you'd know that there is no way that it's man-made because I don't think anyone could Open blender, model that Tesla coil, and send it back to me in literally 1min... No?
Again, I have no proof that they are not faking it by simply hiring Modelers but I honestly don't believe that you can model assets that fast
@@Floky I don't care if it is AI-generated or not. the pricing is horrible. 150$ per month is terrible pricing for indies . I can hire someone with that money where I live. I don't like it when people say AI helped me do that then it turns out u gotta pay alot
@@mindurownbussines Ohh, yeah! I agree with that! I told them a few times already that the pricing is unacceptable for indies!
Especially since The mesh is untextured and unoptimized.
The tech is interesting tho and I believe that it will become much more accessible once they get more competitors!
I recommend you look into Sloyd, they aren't generating anything with AI but they have very customizable assets and will in the near future have a "Text to 3D" ai feature. They are free atm but that will soon change BUT Knowing them the price will be more than fair!
www.sloyd.ai/
@@Floky Thanks mate . I'll give that a try. good luck with your game dev journey
Cheezy😐steam now blocks and removes any games with Ai no matter the size....did your tower defense game make it through?🤷🏽♂️
My tower defence game is on pause for now, however I don't think steam will continue to block ai stuff or at least they won't if you can prove you actually have the rights to the ai stuff you made
The finals (a new big game on steam) openly uses AI for their voice acting and Steam allowed it since they could prove that they had all the rights to the stuff they used
@@Floky that makes sense ❤️
kaedim isnt AI its literally a team makign the 3d models...
im very sad as an 3d artist
Don't be... I think Ai will make your job easier and make you be able to focus on the fun parts of modeling: the details, the personality and the originality 😉
ITS ME!!!
Oh no... Bob has espacaped!!
@@Floky yea I have espacaped
Go generate front side back. For a game design dock please generate a front side back angled image for a xxxx
What?
Bro really sold their positive comments to a website that exploits freelancers.
Bro said the chraracter had 6 fingers when checking the video the character has 5 fingers like the image lol.
And 10-15 minutes to create that character is totally capable a Human 3D modeler.
I'm in no way sponsored by them and I have openly said that I do not know what goes on behind the scenes but that I don't believe that the models are human made because some models lacked logic.
I saw something cool and wanted to make a video about it and that's it.
The 6 finger character that I mentioned was not in the video.
@@Floky In the comments buddy You wanted justify about most of the AI softwares create 6 fingers instead of 5 then to justify in really is an AI You said an human can not make that error lol.
When checking the video that character in really has 5 fingers.
@@Zoulenx but I wasn't talking about the character in the video, I was talking about previous renders I did while I did some testing, some models lacked logic, like fingers were messed up, the wings of a plane were crooked and faces were not right.
Impressive
Yeah, ai is quite impressive 😁
Sorry bro, I'm good without AI 😅😂 it has so much glitches yet
Yeah true
Lord gaben look that
What?
What happened to the survile game.
For now I'm focusing on this tower defense game, I'm the future I'll come back to the survival game
@@Floky Ok just really liked the look/idea of it but good job =)
@@cast5439 me too man... I was really pationate about it... But some day I'll get back to it with more experience and I'll make it better 😉
@@Floky That makes sense on the experience part. Also good luck on your next upload.
Hi, I am thinking to buy a credit but it doesn't show 3d viewport, seems like it doesn't want to offer services, look purely scam, I urgently need character face model for AR and confused if I could buy it or not
I don't think it's a scam, but it's very expensive
Kaedim3D is really expensive.
It's insanely expensive!
when you can afford to buy such an ai, then of course you can use it, but it seems to me that they ask too much for it, although in fact they don’t even finalize it
krea is $150 a month for mere 10 credits... additional credits are $15 per credit.. since you need a few tries(2credits per generation aka $30) to get a good model id say f&/k y)=
Yeah, it's way to pricey at the moment!
Thats madness! Greed is alive and well it seems!
@@iangraham6730 from my understanding they are aiming for big copanies not indie devs with no budget...
A bit sad tbh, this could have been huge for indie devs
@@Floky I'm sure it is only a matter of time before openai release something similar, if not better. I appreciate your intentions none the less, 2D/text to 3D is the next big step 👍
@@iangraham6730 fingers crossed 🤞
Kaedim3D is not free, quite expensive actually
It's stupidly expensive! They have to drop those prices by a LOT!
It is a cool tool thought!
I need free Ai for create 3d model.. do you know one of them???
Well... time to quit learning 3D modelling and switch to plumbing.
I would say instead of quitting you should learn how to work with Ai to increase your work flow speed...
As of now, models that come out of these generators are useless in any big scale setting.
There are nothing more than a glorified block out generator
where's angry birds? ;)
It took soooo long, but Next video ;)
dani
dani
pricing of Kaedim is stupid. Starter is 150 usd with 10 credits, Indie 300 usd with 20 credits. That means you can max create 20 models with Indie plan.
You can easily hire freelance 3d modeler for that price for gods sake. even 2 3 maybe.
Yep... Sadly it's not viable at all
Dani
Muuuuuck
@@Flokynow say it backwards
@@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT no.
WARNING. DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS VIDEO. WHAT HE NEGLECTS TO TELL YOU IS THAT THE AI 3D ART GENERATOR IS $150 FOR A 1 MONTH PLAN WITH ONLY 10 CREDITS. IF YOU WANT BETTER QUALITY ART. YOU HAVE TO SPEND MORE CREDITS TO GET IT AND YOU DON'T GET A FREE TRIAL FROM WHAT I COULD FIND. $150 IS THE CHEAPEST PLAN TO SO YOUR LITERALLY WASTING MONEY JUST TRYING TO USE IT.
Kaedim is ridiculously expensive.. I'll stick with Blender!
Yeah... It's crazy
except that kaedim service is insanely expensive
Yeah, they are...
I hope AI modeling text to 3D and image to 3D gets better and cheaper. I also hope AI rigging and animating software for both humanoid, animals, and monsters will be available and cheap. It will be incredible easy to make a 3D game or video, once AI becomes ubiquitous and cheap. Maybe there will be AGI which could make most of the game with much a little managing and custom tweaking with what it makes.
On one hand it would be cool, but on the other hand I fear that games will become even more lifeless and unoriginal 🤔
lol if games can be make easily then any one can make games in result there will be many games but the players are less so no one buy any games. The players only buy the super high-quality realistic games which make by big companies no one care about the small games what you think to make. world want more batter game in future more realistic in graphic and mechanics. so its just a waste of time to make game from ai because no buddy gonna play that stupid low quality game. remember if the things got easier there will be no value of it no one care about that.
@sourabhkumarprasad9936 no issue with that. sounds awesome that anyone can create a game just with AI. probably less than 10 years users will be able to generate triple AAA games in 10 seconds. would be nice so I don’t have to waste my money on buying games all the time.
LoL 😂😂😂
kaedim.... 6usd for 4 credit trial what enough for one generation????? or 150usd for 10credits?
I hope this is serious, because it would be rude as a joke...
wtf do they think???
Yeah... Their pricing is horrible, no idea who thought that charging for a trial was a good idea 😅
The worst part is they actually already significantly reduced the price! 😂
If you're looking for a good alternative, you should look into Sloyd. They have a very cool solution for customisable assets and are actually working on a text->3D ai generator that should be released pretty soon! It won't be free but I know them and I can guarantee that their pricing will be extremely fair and affordable 😉
Kaedim3D is not AI.
That's what people have been telling me, but no one has any proof of anything... So I say ungilty until proven otherwise 😁
From the testing I did, I personally think it's ai 🤔
Too expensive, gotta wait for more affordable solution to make 3d models from 2d images.
I agree! For now it's way to expensive :/
look into Sloyd, they have a pretty cool solution for cheap customisable 3D models AND they are working on their own 3D AI generator that should release some time soon ;)
dani?
🤔
with this AI model it generates the models way faster inside of blender th-cam.com/video/X4Cb34KiUeo/w-d-xo.html
Oh ! Thanks! I'll check it out 😁👍
came here to get info on converting image to 3d model, instead got video of person non-stop talking about how ai will change the world. drop the opinions dude, everyone knows what ai is, dont need a 3rd rate view on the subject.
I mean... I mostly showcased my game and how I use AI to my advantage... I didn't make a tutorial video... So I'm sorry if that's the video you expected but that's now what this video is.
If this was meant to be tutorial and was advertised as such then I would completely agree with you... I hate tutorials/guides that have unnecessary talk and opinions that no one asked for.
Anyways, hope you still got the some value out of the video 😉
The price isnt worth it
Agreed!
Nah, Kaedimo is crazy expensive, not worth it
Yep, not worth it but really interesting 😁
why is every unity indidev youtuber copying Dani?!?!?!?!
but... I'm using Unreal Engine? :O
MJ lets you zoom out now. Crazy thing is it likes closeups, but generates the whole thing. Massive waste.
Sad times, rip 3D artists
I still work with 3D artists and Ai won't replace them. They will enhance and accelerate the job they are doing but not replace them 😉
AI is bringing a HUGE change
Those who deny it will miss out
I'm glad you are not a denier:)
I think it will allow people, who learn to use it, to reorient doing more of what they love to do and less of various tedious stuff. But, yeah, not that I don't feel any uncertainty regarding it myself.
And yes - the ending was cool, I expected something to happen, but it exceeded my expectations
I agree!
Glad you liked the ending, took me long enough hahahah
skip that annoying philisophical intro: 0:51
But I like beeing "philisophical", it makes me seem smart :D
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You should not be worid of AI....yet. As long the AI is in human power it will allways be limited by the imagination of the human (for the most part). When AI know how to learn other AI's. Then yeah.. you can begin to worry
We are not that far away 😅
@@Floky Oh...oh no......oh yes! I finnaly don't need to do the boring parts of making games and apps
Maiden seems a scam
so, uh.... you're not actually coming up with any original ideas?
Just showing what's possible, personally I have more ideas then I could ever fulfill but if I ever run out of ideas I will use Ai to help me get new ideas going. If you prefere working without ai then that's your decision 😉
its not free dude
Why would you pay so much money just to be lazy
I mean it's less about being lazy and more about it being fast... Less time on modeling will be more time spent on story, programming and balancing...
But I agree, it's too expensive as it is now
Scam and fake
It's not fake... It is however overpriced to the point where I could agree with calling it a scam xD
this things are not free garbage i tried
Yes... It is quite expensive... at the moment it's sadly not worth the price :/
Looks neat. I look forward to pirating your game.
What? You're using stolen materials. Why do you get to steal and *I* don't?
Torrents are *innovation*. You can't just stand back in the way of progress. :P
Who said my game will be paid? 😂😂
And even if I end up charging money for it, I'll probably upload a pirated version myself for people that can't afford it or want to test it...
Lastly, Any Ai art or assets used in my game is for prototyping, I have 3D artists that work on this with me which will replace every assets with a better one 😉
He paid for the materials so :P
AI generation is lazy, cheap, soulless and shamelessly relient on stolen work. Really disappointing, this stuff needs to be regulated and I'm glad they are already not eligible for copyright protection.
I mostly agree with you, that's why I'm mostly using it for prototyping, I have 3D artists making this game with me, every Ai generated asset will be replaced by a hand modeled one.
That said, I think Ai is the logical next step and I don't see as a "Souless" option, I see it as an amazing tool... You could use the "Lazy, cheap and soulless " arguments for every new tool... When digital art was introduced I'm sure all the artists using canvas and paint said the same thing.
The fact that AI was trained on art without the consent of artists is morally wrong, I agree with that, and I wish it would have been done otherwise... But other than that I think Ai is a revolutionary tool that if used right will make life for Game developers quite a bit easier
EW
kaedim is a scam
AI makes bad progress in 3d modeling and art, most of it seems very fake and generated 3D ai modeling cannot be compared to the work made by 3d model artists, sure you can rely on the development to make basic.. logical games but it will never be original and creative as real games created with hand made digital assets, AI will alyways be limited to the concept people give to it and thus there is less a number of freedom in its use.