Toro Turfmaster. I have had one I bought in 2017 for my own lawn. Excellent mower. Highly recommend. Only issue I had was ignition coil and adjust valves in 7 years. Can’t ask for better.
Apparently the engineers at Toro did Not test drive their HDX models much. If they had of, they would have noticed immediately that the units are not very manueverable. In fact, the operator has to literally "fight" the mower in curves and turns. Sorry, but that is just the way it is. The transmission "locks in" and it just does not want to let you turn the mower without a struggle. Say what you want about the first models like the 22200 but they handled wonderfully. Very intuitive and productive without ANY fight. The handle design was easy on the hands versus this current setup which is better on the cables but hard on the hands. Having owned many Toro commercial mowers, the vast majority have been incredible Machines. And I am sad that the new Turfmaster isn't one of them. Enjoyed your entertaining video though!
I've had the Toro Time Master 30" for 10 years. I put $350 total in repairs/maintenance in it in all that time. It takes me about 1.5 hours to mow my property (different levels, lots of obstacles). In ten years I had to put it in for service once. I would say I definitely got my money's worth out of it.
My 2017 Timemaster bought new in 2018 lasted 5 years 1,000 hours of commercial use installed heavy duty idler pulleys when i bought new. Just replaced engine with Kohler 224. So easy to start. Also had to replace everything but the trans but did have to replace the plastic trans pulley. The heavy duty idler pulleys are still good. I was cutting a 2 acre field for first couple years with it. In Maryland heat and humid. wet grass. Is it perfect no. but its not junk. Learn to work on things yourself. Just got the G5 Blades and love them. 6 inches of cutting edge per blade VS 4 on stock and they stay sharp for a week.
That's awesome. Thank you for sharing. If you like to work on mowers yourself, we're sure you'll love the DIY videos on our channel. Make sure to check them out if you haven't already. Here's the link: th-cam.com/play/PLcMsWbmgR9r_xmunxJSZyDWAOjWxEmwIw.html
I have had the SAME issue on my 2016 Toro 30 in TimeMaster. It NEVER starts hot. There was a recall to change the crummy paper fuel filter, but i solved that design flaw, where the fuel feed is only 1/2 in drop from the tank outlet to Briggs 120000 series engine carb. I lashed on my Honda GCV190 Tank and a nice long hose, with a Disc filter and Shutoff valve from Home Depot. The Briggs recall is to install a metal HEAT SHIELD between the cyl head and float bowl, to fix hot restarting. I often do better than that, just get some silver foil faced R-MAX foam insulation, maybe cut 3x5in,, smash a recess to fit behind the float bowl with a small hammer, and shove it in place above the black plastic belt guard cover. surfaces, that worked for a few years,then needed to cool things down with Starting fluid or Gumout to restart hot. I then replaced the carbs several times with the inexpensive ones on Amazon. Worked a little better than Briggs OEM. FINALLY, I did replace the Magneto coil and shutoff switch, but yesterday PROVED THE NEW ONE IS INTERMITTENT. Got an adjustable Spark Tester, set for 10KV gap or larger - NO OUTPUT!!!!!!!!!!! Then I took the old one, sanded the pole pieces and TAPED the entire HV lead with 3M Electrical tape, and split the plastic insulator sleeve from my new Spark Tester, covering the CHAFED section where the muffler heatshield abradedi it. BINGO, it finally started! I then checked the Compression cold, but forgot to open the throttle plate - it read almost 30lbs. We also replaced the crummy HEAD GASKET again, with the 2nd gasket in the $42 Amazon kit, which HAS A NICE METAL fire ring, but is for the 223CC Upgraded engine all the Yard Service guys pay $500 new, to finally fix the underpowered temperamental 190. I found the old gasket BLEW OUT near the Exhaust side, a second time, vapor from all my Starting Fluid was coming out. Another telltale sign was the 4 head bolts were NOT TIGHT. I should have retourqued to the 125 in-lbs spec AGAIN after a month. Since 70lbs seems to be the spec for these 190CC motors, I WILL be buying a new Piston, Rings, and Wrist pin set, and the 2 different length Rod bolts to raise the crummy 30lbs that is causing stalling issues. And my friend set the VALVE clearances ay 0.006in, AFTER INSTALLING THE NEW thicker gasket. It starts if I put the choke rod in, but soon I fave to remove it, and flip the choke spring 180 degrees over, to the main governor spring post, r it will bog down too rich! When I get anther $500 saved up, I am going to Toro Menders in ATL to buy a replacement 223CC engine, and a new DECK for another $100. Final note, there is a Hi Lift Blade kit, including a new front V shaped shield that bolts in with the front wheels assy - critically IMPORTANT, IT USED TO just fill the chute with grass. ------------- for the past 8 years it will FILL the bag with even wet grass- My thoughts, nothing else is safe on my sloped back yard, and at 150lbs for me, I can easily handle this 135lb mower. Just skip the $200 more Electric Start option, because it will be clunkier to use there. Just my thoughts after 8 years of Time Master troubles. And I replaced many broken cables, worn bearings, and belts Fyi, Hilary in GA
If you had to buy only one Turfmaster HDX, which motor would you buy? I was all set to buy the Kohler version, but my dealer says I should buy the Kawasaki as the motor will last significantly longer and be a quieter and smoother engine. His Toro rep said he sells 8 Kawasaki to 2 Kohler. Other lawn pros on TH-cam seem to like the power of the Kohler. It looks like the Exmark version now has the Kohler, so I am not sure what to do! Thank you!
I purchased the Toro turfmaster HDX with the Kohler CV 200.My worker seized the engine.I was if I can repower it with the Kohler cv224.Same excact engine length width height weight.Just some internal tweaking.Thankyou for your feedback.
I had the time master electric start. It is the best. I never had to charge the battery for the 3 years that I own it. I purchase the turfmaster with Kawsaki, I really miss my time master..
How do you clean the deck underneath? Those garden hose deck attachments just make a sloppy mushy mess i. experience up in PA . Can you prop this up and reach underneath easily to scrape it clean?
I don't know. The Timemaster wasn't designed for commercial use but a lot of people want to use them for that. If you use it for what it was designed for the gas tank is probably adequate. Someone should come up with an aftermarket tank swap kit.
so do turfmaster and time master both have same pace setter system? they go same speed as you walk? or can turmaster go even faster... i like to jog when mowing if possible at 6 mph... thanks
Why do both turfmaster commercial models have smaller displacement and torque specs than the residential 223cc model? I still don't understand why they did that. I have a the 21200 timemaster and was thinking about getting the turfmaster 22210 (I'm getting a heck of a deal) for some residential yards I mow. The specs show the the timemaster has better gross HP and gross Torque.
Nick, power displacement and longevity come into factor here. The Kawasaki's and Kohler's last longer, in our opinion, than the briggs engines. They are also built more commercially.
That's new Turfmaster looks to be a great product especially with the Kohler 200 cc engine and the new ham hock trans. I suggest everyone watch MainStreets youtube channel. They are very helpful and professional produced (not boring).
That's what I wanna know. Timemaster has 223cc with 10.0lb/ft of torque when the Turfmaster only has 200cc with 9.5lb/ft of torque. At first I was thinking the commercial one must just have more torque, but nope.
@@waltofalltrades6817 Yeah, I have a small lawn care business and needed a smaller mower for smaller jobs. The engineering doesn't make sense. I guess that's why I'm not an engineer.
Timemaster is perfect for lawncare who do smaller lawns. It maneuvers very well compared to the commercial one. The commercial turf master is too heavy
Rice, we would think so. That being said, we are based in Florida and do not have too much experience with enormous hills. But by all means, the turfmaster with the Kohler would climb up any normal, walk-able hill.
Nice commercial mower I loved the video very informative and has helped with my decision making. I was about to purchase the Ex Mark commercial after seeing the video I am going to buy this one thanks so much!
@@carlosreyes4472 The Timemaster has a 10HP 223cc engine. The Turfmaster with a Kawasaki has a 180cc engine. And the Turfmaster with a Kohler has a 200cc engine. Both commercial engine options on the Turfmaster are technically smaller than the briggs, but are built more heavy duty and will last you longer.
@@christopherspurgeon9484 what kind of work do you use then for? Residential or commercial? I'm looking at the time for a small business I'm starting... Thanks.
Several year owner here of a TimeMaster.... besides the pulleys being absolutely a joke... the mower is good. Recommend immediately upgrading the pulleys to the commercial pulleys so they don't implode on you.
Hi Shallwe. It is actually pretty good advice, as long as you have the space and do not need the exercise ;) Although, one downside about the Timecutter is it's 90 day commercial warranty, which is much less than the 1 year commercial warranty that comes with the Turfmaster. That being said, the above applies only if the Timecutter is used commercially. When used residentially, the Timecutter comes with a 3 year unlimited hour warranty!
I have a late 2013 Timemaster B&S 190CC Intek, electric start. Overall, been a great mower, I can get 2.5 cuts with the same tank of gas. Overall power is pretty good too. The weakest spot I’ve found is the BBC cable will break at the handle due to it’s plastic. A new cable is cheap and easy to replace yourself, but inconvenient when you need to get the grass cut. It’s good to keep a spare, and as far as the internal battery-I’m still using the original going on 7 years now. My worry now is how much life does the sealed tranny have left. Not to mention, I have replaced several belts/parts over the last year for light residential use. Considering an electric Toro now for my small yard, but an extra battery is $250-350 for a mower that sells for $500 when new. So I guess I’m between a rock and a hard place. Just my input on these mowers, but a great info video.
Drew, maybe it's price or maybe it's what's available. Engine options do play an important part in it as well. Either way they have plenty of power for what you're wanting to do. This is a finish mower not a bush hog.
No. But you can upgrade it to the turfmaster pulleys if you wanted. The pulleys that come on it have been much upgraded since past models. I would not change them until I was out of warranty.
When the engine is spinning, the blades are going to turn as well along with the drive belt. The only time when it is not the case is when the mower has a blade clutch, which could be found in the 21" model.
I just bought the electric start timemaster... it was the only mower I could find on this side of the province ... mass shortage and can’t order form the company because they are out of stock across the country ... it wasn’t the model I wanted ... I wanted the superrecycler but it was timemaster or a junk brand ... it’s an awesome mower but horrible at going up a steep ditch ... soooo massively heavy even with rear wheel drive ! It would be a dream mower if they would make it with all wheel drive and larger tank but overall it’s great !!!
It’s a great mower BUT very tiny gas tank so I have to keep refilling the gas tank after just a little bit of cutting and that’s using premium gas ! It also is super hard to push when the gas runs out because self propelled feature only works when it’s on … so when it’s out of gas and you have to push it …. It’s super heavy to move … it’s great for the height options and easy to use but it needs a much larger gas tank for sure !!!
What are you talking about a year year and a half to replace the battery I have a five year old time master with the original battery no problems I also have a 11 year old super recycler 21 inch with the original battery no problems
Hey Toro should beef up the trans on the residential model. Bigger engine electric start is nothing if trans don’t hold up. Ferris is strictly commercial based. Yes plenty of grass cutters purchase the residential models. Ferris will learn from the guys purchasing their model and make changes quicker.
joseph puchel the Turfmaster is marketed as a commercial mower. Lots of pros use the Timemaster instead because it’s cheaper, but that doesn’t make sense to me. They’ll buy two of them, knowing one is going to go down on them, and then only expect to get a few years out of them. Granted, it’s too early to tell, but I’d wager the Ferris is going to be a lot longer lasting machine and more reliable. One thing that might make me consider the Turfmaster would be front caster wheels.
I have been contemplating these two mowers. I'm going to wind up with the Toro or the Exmark. By the time you add the mulching kit and the bag to the ferris you've added about $1,000 to the price and that bag hangs off the side. Somewhat defeats the purpose of the smaller mower... Ultimately, they fill a slightly different niche.
The timemaster can maneuver very well for a 30 in. It is perfect for lawn care who do smaller lawns to save time but work efficient. Take care of the equipment and it will take care of you
Bought Turfmaster and after a month the motor fell off, did not tighten bolts at the factory. Stay away from the 30 in. Buy a 32 walk behind, much easier to use. 30 inch will wear you out, way to heavy and will not hold up@!
I'll stick with the timemaster. Wish they would do a larger tank and the turfmaster wheel adjustment. But it is what it is. My original timemaster has 300 hours from 16 and still going strong. Last few years after getting a 36 stand I don't use it as much but still has it's place.
The kawi FJ series are fantastic machines. Will start on a single compression. Doesn't burn a drop of oil. The Briggs is more cc but nowhere near the refinement of the Kawasaki.
@@mainstreetmower still petrol for me. Especially for people doing 15-20 gardens a day, you’d need a lot of batteries, whereas one petrol can, a couple of oil changes and the occasional belt or cable seems a lot better then having to charge 6-8 batteries each day
@@sammilburn445 That's all fair points. Maybe you would like to watch this video where we got landscaper reviews on using an electric grandstand for the first time. Here's the link: th-cam.com/video/nRnBL2VgdO4/w-d-xo.html
Looking at the title of the video... "DANG THERES A NEW TORO PUSH MOWER THAT OFFERS A 30 FOOT CUT!?!1!?ONE!!??" (This is a great example of how punctuation and grammar is important. Incorrect punctuation can cause confusion and has a different meaning.)
Seems obvious that TORO had significant warranty problems by installing the crappiest trans made..this is why I never bought one.I've seen one break on first use,minutes after delivery. You can't please your customers when your mower's in the shop with 30 others of the same make waiting for backordered parts that are no better than what just broke. Then- what do you do when you're out of warranty? PUNT ? Lessons learned? Yeah- on both sides of the sales counter
Molson12oz, we would like to agree with some of what you said here. Back in 2011, the trans on TORO 30" did have a lot of issues. So much so, that we even stopped carrying them at our dealership. However, after TORO re-engineered and relaunched them, we haven't had or seen any abnormal issues with them.
@@jasonv4hese602 In our opinion, it should still last you a veryyyyy long time. We see a lot of these mowers come into our shop everyday, and rarely have we seen any with heavy rust on them. With that being said, fertilizer and chlorine causes any mower deck to rust prematurely. We do not think you really need to rinse it everyday. Blowing it off is best, since standing water is what rusts decks.
That's really a very subjective question. Depends entirely on the user, the conditions it is being used in, the environment it is being parked in, and a lot more factors. However, if you take care of it properly, always park it in a garage, blow dry it after use, it might just last you longer than 10 years.
These mowers r over rated they dont have enough power to operate 2 blades and in my opinion Briggs & Stratton sucks maybe with a bigger engine with oil filter. But with that said I had one of the turf master they r heavy like he keeps saying heavy the turn is hard because its HEAVY
Becky, as far as the 30" mowers go, the TORO has the best balance between weight and durability that i've seen. My customers are cutting grass in wet Florida and still love using this machine. Maybe, your unit had a few problems, but in general we cant get enough of this one.
We agree with you. 1 acreage is a lot of area to cover on a 30" Walk behind mower. However, we do see a lot of customers that buy the walk behind for the sake of the budget or exercise. And the mowers mentioned in the video are durable enough to easily handle that area. As for the knees, we're not really professional actors here. check out this video, maybe it'll answer your concerns: th-cam.com/video/u5yrBe20Yhw/w-d-xo.html
I watched this review and bought the Toto 30 inch Timemaster. I need everyone to know that this is the biggest piece of junk I have ever owned and Toro does not stand behind their warranty. I have had belts dislodge, belts stretched so that the mower blades wobble and cut the lawn like a drunken bum. I have had failure of the gas to get into the engine due to the improper design of the the gas cap. There is a fix for that but Toro only does it when your engine fails. All complaints and problems were met with Toro saying these were wear and tear issues and are not covered. Today, after 20 hours of total use white smoke started coming out of the engine. What can I say other than that is you buy a Toro timemaster you will regret it. You have been warned.
Alan, we are sorry that you had such an unpleasant experience. We have sold hundreds of these and have nothing but satisfied customers. I would give one to my father-in-law, as well as my pastor, without worrying if they would like it or not. It seems that your bad experience was a result of your dealership. Maybe try another one.
@@mainstreetmower I have taken my complaints directly to Toro and they have fallen on deaf ears. Now it is possible that the dealership had not set the cable tensions correctly which has resulted in the belt stretching but I have had the mower serviced at two different locations, so I believe this is a specific mower issue and Toro refuses to address it. Too bad as I will continue to tell everyone I can about my poor experience and hope I dissuade anyone from buying this mower. I do thank you for your concern.
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Michshnly, I understand why you might think that but we actually love this product. We are a real business, with real customers. If we give people bad advise, we hear about it. We only give advise we would tell a friends or family member. This is the heart behind all of our videos. If there is a product we don't think is good, we wont make a video promoting it. Duh...
Here's some advice right back at you. Never trust a salesman. Trust landscaper opinions. You do know people lie in the world right? Toro mowers are garbage. When i go to Home depot i see them lined up. At first I thought there where used on sale in the tool rental area., They where all broken down with issues being repaired. Not one Honda. It's always Toro. So here's some further proof Toro is crap. Ask any landscaper. Landscapers have and use Bradley, ExMark, Turf Beast and Ferris. If you worked for Exmark you;d be staying there product is the best. Your opinions are for sale. And your for sale too.
Toro Turfmaster. I have had one I bought in 2017 for my own lawn. Excellent mower. Highly recommend. Only issue I had was ignition coil and adjust valves in 7 years. Can’t ask for better.
That's awesome. We're glad the TORO's have been great for you. Thanks for sharing.
Why does the time master have more ccs then the turfmaster?
Apparently the engineers at Toro did Not test drive their HDX models much. If they had of, they would have noticed immediately that the units are not very manueverable. In fact, the operator has to literally "fight" the mower in curves and turns. Sorry, but that is just the way it is. The transmission "locks in" and it just does not want to let you turn the mower without a struggle.
Say what you want about the first models like the 22200 but they handled wonderfully. Very intuitive and productive without ANY fight. The handle design was easy on the hands versus this current setup which is better on the cables but hard on the hands.
Having owned many Toro commercial mowers, the vast majority have been incredible Machines. And I am sad that the new Turfmaster isn't one of them.
Enjoyed your entertaining video though!
Why does the timemaster have a 223cc and the turfmaster hdx comes with a 180 or 200cc? Throw a 260cc on that bad boy and you got a deal.
I just purchased a Timemaster last week from my local Toro Master Dealer... Thanks for the information~
Glad we could help Q.
$1200
I've had the Toro Time Master 30" for 10 years. I put $350 total in repairs/maintenance in it in all that time. It takes me about 1.5 hours to mow my property (different levels, lots of obstacles). In ten years I had to put it in for service once. I would say I definitely got my money's worth out of it.
That's amazing Frank. We're glad to see that your TORO has served you well.
My 2017 Timemaster bought new in 2018 lasted 5 years 1,000 hours of commercial use installed heavy duty idler pulleys when i bought new. Just replaced engine with Kohler 224. So easy to start. Also had to replace everything but the trans but did have to replace the plastic trans pulley. The heavy duty idler pulleys are still good. I was cutting a 2 acre field for first couple years with it. In Maryland heat and humid. wet grass. Is it perfect no. but its not junk. Learn to work on things yourself. Just got the G5 Blades and love them. 6 inches of cutting edge per blade VS 4 on stock and they stay sharp for a week.
That's awesome. Thank you for sharing. If you like to work on mowers yourself, we're sure you'll love the DIY videos on our channel. Make sure to check them out if you haven't already.
Here's the link: th-cam.com/play/PLcMsWbmgR9r_xmunxJSZyDWAOjWxEmwIw.html
I have had the SAME issue on my 2016 Toro 30 in TimeMaster. It NEVER starts hot. There was a recall to change the crummy paper fuel filter, but i solved that design flaw, where the fuel feed is only 1/2 in drop from the tank outlet to Briggs 120000 series engine carb. I lashed on my Honda GCV190 Tank and a nice long hose, with a Disc filter and Shutoff valve from Home Depot. The Briggs recall is to install a metal HEAT SHIELD between the cyl head and float bowl, to fix hot restarting. I often do better than that, just get some silver foil faced R-MAX foam insulation, maybe cut 3x5in,, smash a recess to fit behind the float bowl with a small hammer, and shove it in place above the black plastic belt guard cover. surfaces, that worked for a few years,then needed to cool things down with Starting fluid or Gumout to restart hot. I then replaced the carbs several times with the inexpensive ones on Amazon. Worked a little better than Briggs OEM. FINALLY, I did replace the Magneto coil and shutoff switch, but yesterday PROVED THE NEW ONE IS INTERMITTENT. Got an adjustable Spark Tester, set for 10KV gap or larger - NO OUTPUT!!!!!!!!!!! Then I took the old one, sanded the pole pieces and TAPED the entire HV lead with 3M Electrical tape, and split the plastic insulator sleeve from my new Spark Tester, covering the CHAFED section where the muffler heatshield abradedi it. BINGO, it finally started! I then checked the Compression cold, but forgot to open the throttle plate - it read almost 30lbs. We also replaced the crummy HEAD GASKET again, with the 2nd gasket in the $42 Amazon kit, which HAS A NICE METAL fire ring, but is for the 223CC Upgraded engine all the Yard Service guys pay $500 new, to finally fix the underpowered temperamental 190. I found the old gasket BLEW OUT near the Exhaust side, a second time, vapor from all my Starting Fluid was coming out. Another telltale sign was the 4 head bolts were NOT TIGHT. I should have retourqued to the 125 in-lbs spec AGAIN after a month.
Since 70lbs seems to be the spec for these 190CC motors, I WILL be buying a new Piston, Rings, and Wrist pin set, and the 2 different length Rod bolts to raise the crummy 30lbs that is causing stalling issues. And my friend set the VALVE clearances ay 0.006in, AFTER INSTALLING THE NEW thicker gasket. It starts if I put the choke rod in, but soon I fave to remove it, and flip the choke spring 180 degrees over, to the main governor spring post, r it will bog down too rich! When I get anther $500 saved up, I am going to Toro Menders in ATL to buy a replacement 223CC engine, and a new DECK for another $100. Final note, there is a Hi Lift Blade kit, including a new front V shaped shield that bolts in with the front wheels assy - critically IMPORTANT, IT USED TO just fill the chute with grass. ------------- for the past 8 years it will FILL the bag with even wet grass- My thoughts, nothing else is safe on my sloped back yard, and at 150lbs for me, I can easily handle this 135lb mower. Just skip the $200 more Electric Start option, because it will be clunkier to use there. Just my thoughts after 8 years of Time Master troubles. And I replaced many broken cables, worn bearings, and belts Fyi, Hilary in GA
If you had to buy only one Turfmaster HDX, which motor would you buy? I was all set to buy the Kohler version, but my dealer says I should buy the Kawasaki as the motor will last significantly longer and be a quieter and smoother engine. His Toro rep said he sells 8 Kawasaki to 2 Kohler. Other lawn pros on TH-cam seem to like the power of the Kohler. It looks like the Exmark version now has the Kohler, so I am not sure what to do! Thank you!
We think both the engine options are good, however the Kawasaki engine has been around longer.
I purchased the Toro turfmaster HDX with the Kohler CV 200.My worker seized the engine.I was if I can repower it with the Kohler cv224.Same excact engine length width height weight.Just some internal tweaking.Thankyou for your feedback.
Definitely seems possible! However, we have never done it. I would recommend taking it to your local dealer and try having them install it.
Do you know why it seized?
I had the time master electric start. It is the best. I never had to charge the battery for the 3 years that I own it. I purchase the turfmaster with Kawsaki, I really miss my time master..
We feel you Keith. Thank you for sharing.
Came for the lawnmower, stayed for the dancing
haha thank you for your support.
How much do you dealers usually offer for used turfmasters?
How do you clean the deck underneath? Those garden hose deck attachments just make a sloppy mushy mess i. experience up in PA . Can you prop this up and reach underneath easily to scrape it clean?
Mr. L. The answer is Yes. Make sure your engine is shut off, then tilt the mower onto it's side, air filter up.
I like the energy in this video
Appreciate it Christian.
People have been saying the Timemaster gas tank is too small for years. When will Toro correct that problem?
I don't know. The Timemaster wasn't designed for commercial use but a lot of people want to use them for that. If you use it for what it was designed for the gas tank is probably adequate. Someone should come up with an aftermarket tank swap kit.
@@Edward-Norton I do alot of residential mowing but I just bought a bigger gas tank to carry around so I can fill the mower up as needed
so do turfmaster and time master both have same pace setter system? they go same speed as you walk? or can turmaster go even faster... i like to jog when mowing if possible at 6 mph... thanks
Yes they do. The Turfmaster is nearly jogging fast. But the handle mechanism is different. The timemaster has a self-propel personal pace handle.
Settle down Usain bolt, the mower can't cut grass properly if you're running lmao
Why do both turfmaster commercial models have smaller displacement and torque specs than the residential 223cc model? I still don't understand why they did that. I have a the 21200 timemaster and was thinking about getting the turfmaster 22210 (I'm getting a heck of a deal) for some residential yards I mow. The specs show the the timemaster has better gross HP and gross Torque.
Nick, power displacement and longevity come into factor here. The Kawasaki's and Kohler's last longer, in our opinion, than the briggs engines. They are also built more commercially.
That's new Turfmaster looks to be a great product especially with the Kohler 200 cc engine and the new ham hock trans. I suggest everyone watch MainStreets youtube channel. They are very helpful and professional produced (not boring).
Thank you for the kind words Ron. Appreciate your support.
Thank You Ron! You’re awesome!
Why does the residential mower have a larger engine than the commercial?
That's what I wanna know. Timemaster has 223cc with 10.0lb/ft of torque when the Turfmaster only has 200cc with 9.5lb/ft of torque. At first I was thinking the commercial one must just have more torque, but nope.
@@waltofalltrades6817
Yeah, I have a small lawn care business and needed a smaller mower for smaller jobs. The engineering doesn't make sense. I guess that's why I'm not an engineer.
Timemaster is perfect for lawncare who do smaller lawns. It maneuvers very well compared to the commercial one. The commercial turf master is too heavy
Thanks for doing this comparison. I'm looking at hopefully getting the turf master pretty soon 🙏🙏🙏
Our Pleasure, John.
Does that TurfMaster with the Kohler engine climb hills easier?
Rice, we would think so. That being said, we are based in Florida and do not have too much experience with enormous hills. But by all means, the turfmaster with the Kohler would climb up any normal, walk-able hill.
I thumbs up just cause I saw that doofus dancing around! Hilarious! Thanks for the laugh, and review...
Glad you enjoyed it
On the Timecutter, what parts have been changed from say 2017 model to the 2020 model? Transmission, wheels, gas tank?
"Timemaster"
Nice commercial mower I loved the video very informative and has helped with my decision making. I was about to purchase the Ex Mark commercial after seeing the video I am going to buy this one thanks so much!
Glad We could help Azizi. Enjoy your new TORO.
Looking to get a Turfmaster. SPRING IS CALLING!!
We always have them in stock at both our stores, in Winter Garden and in Clermont. Come check them out!
Great video on the 30” finally
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for the video great information
Thank you David.
The engines both have the same 179cc 😐 , so how is the 200 kholer engine better if they’re the same size ?
Carlos, They're not the same size.
@@mainstreetmower ok now explain
@@carlosreyes4472 The Timemaster has a 10HP 223cc engine. The Turfmaster with a Kawasaki has a 180cc engine. And the Turfmaster with a Kohler has a 200cc engine. Both commercial engine options on the Turfmaster are technically smaller than the briggs, but are built more heavy duty and will last you longer.
@@mainstreetmower I was talking about the turfmasters not time masters my guy
Hello, I've heard that the Timemaster struggles getting up hills. Have you experienced this? Thanks for your time 👍🏻
I use them at work and yes, they do struggle to go up some hills.
They are belt drive. More than likely it needs replaced. Cheap easy fix.
@@christopherspurgeon9484 what kind of work do you use then for? Residential or commercial? I'm looking at the time for a small business I'm starting...
Thanks.
Several year owner here of a TimeMaster.... besides the pulleys being absolutely a joke... the mower is good.
Recommend immediately upgrading the pulleys to the commercial pulleys so they don't implode on you.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Skip the TurfMaster at $2,299; just buy the TimeCutter at $2,599, where we can sit on it, sip a cup of coffee, and mow the lawn at the same time
Hi Shallwe. It is actually pretty good advice, as long as you have the space and do not need the exercise ;) Although, one downside about the Timecutter is it's 90 day commercial warranty, which is much less than the 1 year commercial warranty that comes with the Turfmaster.
That being said, the above applies only if the Timecutter is used commercially. When used residentially, the Timecutter comes with a 3 year unlimited hour warranty!
Do you'll have the new Toro hydro walk behinds u can do a video on
Unfortunately not, we are excited about them, they are on order and we will put out a video ASAP
I have a late 2013 Timemaster B&S 190CC Intek, electric start. Overall, been a great mower, I can get 2.5 cuts with the same tank of gas. Overall power is pretty good too. The weakest spot I’ve found is the BBC cable will break at the handle due to it’s plastic. A new cable is cheap and easy to replace yourself, but inconvenient when you need to get the grass cut. It’s good to keep a spare, and as far as the internal battery-I’m still using the original going on 7 years now. My worry now is how much life does the sealed tranny have left. Not to mention, I have replaced several belts/parts over the last year for light residential use. Considering an electric Toro now for my small yard, but an extra battery is $250-350 for a mower that sells for $500 when new. So I guess I’m between a rock and a hard place. Just my input on these mowers, but a great info video.
That's such insightful information. Thank you for sharing it here Patches.
Why isn’t the Kohler available in Australia on the Turfmaster
Australians can't handle the power
Is there's caster wheels available for it?
Unfortunately not
Toro are back I’m so happy I wish John Deere come back too with good machine
We agree. TORO has definitely uped their game. It would nice to see other mower brands follow suit.
I need swivle front caster kit for mine. How much are they?
We wish they had one. Hey TORO, here's one more vote for a swivel caster kit on a 30".
@@mainstreetmower one more vote here. Only way I would buy one is with an aftermarket caster set (the ones made for Ariens are good)
Thanks for the review 🤓👍.
You're welcome. Hope it helped.
Why does the commercial mower have less power than the residential?
Drew, maybe it's price or maybe it's what's available. Engine options do play an important part in it as well. Either way they have plenty of power for what you're wanting to do. This is a finish mower not a bush hog.
Does the new timemaster have metal idler pulley?
No. But you can upgrade it to the turfmaster pulleys if you wanted. The pulleys that come on it have been much upgraded since past models. I would not change them until I was out of warranty.
Does the blades have to spin to have self propel?
When the engine is spinning, the blades are going to turn as well along with the drive belt. The only time when it is not the case is when the mower has a blade clutch, which could be found in the 21" model.
@@mainstreetmower thanks.
Can the timemaster be fitted with the larger gas tank offered on the turf master models?
Unfortunately not.
Great toro 30" mower video, how about a similar one for the 21" version including the comercial line-up.. Thanks
We’ll do it for you Toma! Subscribe and standby
Have you had a chance to check out the 21" series review you requested? If not, here's the link for you: th-cam.com/video/aMq5vW9c-LY/w-d-xo.html
I don't understand why the cheapest lamore comes with 223 but the most expensive one comes with only 200cc???
Though the Briggs engine is larger in CC, It's not a commercial engine. It's not made to hold up as long as the commercial engine.
oh ok I end up buying the Toro with the Kohler engine I love it so far
@@hernandez660r We're glad that you're happy with your machine.
Been researching the Timemaster and no one has it for $1099
Prices have gone up sharply this year
Thanks. It looks like the Toro's can't charge their batteries. A non starter. Or a non charger for sure. Time for a snapper. Maybe?
I just bought the electric start timemaster... it was the only mower I could find on this side of the province ... mass shortage and can’t order form the company because they are out of stock across the country ... it wasn’t the model I wanted ... I wanted the superrecycler but it was timemaster or a junk brand ... it’s an awesome mower but horrible at going up a steep ditch ... soooo massively heavy even with rear wheel drive ! It would be a dream mower if they would make it with all wheel drive and larger tank but overall it’s great !!!
We're sorry you had to make a rushed purchase Jennifer. How do you feel about your TimeMaster now that you've used it for over a year?
It’s a great mower BUT very tiny gas tank so I have to keep refilling the gas tank after just a little bit of cutting and that’s using premium gas ! It also is super hard to push when the gas runs out because self propelled feature only works when it’s on … so when it’s out of gas and you have to push it …. It’s super heavy to move … it’s great for the height options and easy to use but it needs a much larger gas tank for sure !!!
U got ur knees a little dirty mister
awesome video thanks!!!
Thank You!
What are you talking about a year year and a half to replace the battery I have a five year old time master with the original battery no problems I also have a 11 year old super recycler 21 inch with the original battery no problems
Thanks for the feedback! As a dealer our perspective is skewed, so we like to err on the short side.
$2300? At that point, I’d just buck up and get the Ferris FW15.
I've read and seen some bad reviews on that machine. And still this price point is ride on territory.
Hey Toro should beef up the trans on the residential model. Bigger engine electric start is nothing if trans don’t hold up. Ferris is strictly commercial based. Yes plenty of grass cutters purchase the residential models. Ferris will learn from the guys purchasing their model and make changes quicker.
joseph puchel the Turfmaster is marketed as a commercial mower. Lots of pros use the Timemaster instead because it’s cheaper, but that doesn’t make sense to me. They’ll buy two of them, knowing one is going to go down on them, and then only expect to get a few years out of them. Granted, it’s too early to tell, but I’d wager the Ferris is going to be a lot longer lasting machine and more reliable. One thing that might make me consider the Turfmaster would be front caster wheels.
I have been contemplating these two mowers. I'm going to wind up with the Toro or the Exmark. By the time you add the mulching kit and the bag to the ferris you've added about $1,000 to the price and that bag hangs off the side. Somewhat defeats the purpose of the smaller mower...
Ultimately, they fill a slightly different niche.
The timemaster can maneuver very well for a 30 in. It is perfect for lawn care who do smaller lawns to save time but work efficient. Take care of the equipment and it will take care of you
You got da moves brother!!! 🤣
Thank you Jose. :)
Lol I never heard of a ham hog or whatever he said 😂. But he wasn’t lying it did look like one lol
Ham hock
I’m gonna have to pick me up a Time Master one of these days..
You’ll love it!
I just bought one yesterday and so far I love it . Knocked 35 minutes off of my mowing time
Bought Turfmaster and after a month the motor fell off, did not tighten bolts at the factory. Stay away from the 30 in. Buy a 32 walk behind, much easier to use. 30 inch will wear you out, way to heavy and will not hold up@!
Sorry that happened to you Jim. That is not a common issue. Hopefully your dealer fixed it quick and got you mowing again.
How much does the 30 koher?
Please skip to 6:58 in the video for your answer.
Why don't they put the personal pace on the other two personal pace is the top dog better control the Briggs & Stratton better CC
Time master with a Kholer would be great.
Yes or a Kawasaki.
I'll stick with the timemaster. Wish they would do a larger tank and the turfmaster wheel adjustment. But it is what it is. My original timemaster has 300 hours from 16 and still going strong. Last few years after getting a 36 stand I don't use it as much but still has it's place.
That's awesome Tyler. We're glad you enjoying your machines.
Any mower with Kawasaki engine is better than the others.
The kawi FJ series are fantastic machines. Will start on a single compression. Doesn't burn a drop of oil. The Briggs is more cc but nowhere near the refinement of the Kawasaki.
The Timemaster only has a 1.2 quart fuel tank which is wayyy too small for and engine that can really suck down the fuel. Prices are just stupid.
Is it just me who thinks that the timemaster seems to be the much better option, being more powerful and half the price?
What do you think about that Timemaster vs the electric mowers TORO has been putting out, after this video was released?
@@mainstreetmower still petrol for me. Especially for people doing 15-20 gardens a day, you’d need a lot of batteries, whereas one petrol can, a couple of oil changes and the occasional belt or cable seems a lot better then having to charge 6-8 batteries each day
@@sammilburn445 That's all fair points. Maybe you would like to watch this video where we got landscaper reviews on using an electric grandstand for the first time. Here's the link: th-cam.com/video/nRnBL2VgdO4/w-d-xo.html
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Skip to 4:53 in the video for a detailed comparison between all the models, including prices for each of them!
You can buy 2 Times compared to 1 Turf.
I love the timemaster but if u have bad shoulders don't buy it. It tears up your shoulders.
Looking at the title of the video...
"DANG THERES A NEW TORO PUSH MOWER THAT OFFERS A 30 FOOT CUT!?!1!?ONE!!??"
(This is a great example of how punctuation and grammar is important. Incorrect punctuation can cause confusion and has a different meaning.)
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Seems obvious that TORO had significant warranty problems by installing the crappiest trans made..this is why I never bought one.I've seen one break on first use,minutes after delivery.
You can't please your customers when your mower's in the shop with 30 others of the same make waiting for backordered parts that are no better than what just broke.
Then- what do you do when you're out of warranty? PUNT ?
Lessons learned? Yeah- on both sides of the sales counter
Molson12oz, we would like to agree with some of what you said here. Back in 2011, the trans on TORO 30" did have a lot of issues. So much so, that we even stopped carrying them at our dealership. However, after TORO re-engineered and relaunched them, we haven't had or seen any abnormal issues with them.
My feedback: Too intense presentation. No need for so many models. May be that Toro has no confidence in any of the models.
Thanks for the feedback
Buy one for mother in law...HAHA.
haha. He wasnt joking there.
200cc to drive two rotors and drive chain is not enough cc, it will bog down
It doesn’t bog down
None of the above. Timemaster+kohler swap>and turfmaster ANY.
Make it happen. Let's see it!
I WOULD BUY THIS MOWER IF IT CAME WITH ALUMINUM DECK.
That would be cool. Maybe one day... Although, it would be a $3,000 mower at that point.
@@mainstreetmower how long would you say the steel deck lasts before it starts rusting bad if rinsed after every use?
@@jasonv4hese602 In our opinion, it should still last you a veryyyyy long time. We see a lot of these mowers come into our shop everyday, and rarely have we seen any with heavy rust on them. With that being said, fertilizer and chlorine causes any mower deck to rust prematurely. We do not think you really need to rinse it everyday. Blowing it off is best, since standing water is what rusts decks.
@@mainstreetmower thanks for the response would u say if i blew it off after every use it'd last longer than 10 years with minimal or no rust?
That's really a very subjective question. Depends entirely on the user, the conditions it is being used in, the environment it is being parked in, and a lot more factors. However, if you take care of it properly, always park it in a garage, blow dry it after use, it might just last you longer than 10 years.
These mowers r over rated they dont have enough power to operate 2 blades and in my opinion Briggs & Stratton sucks maybe with a bigger engine with oil filter. But with that said I had one of the turf master they r heavy like he keeps saying heavy the turn is hard because its HEAVY
Becky, as far as the 30" mowers go, the TORO has the best balance between weight and durability that i've seen. My customers are cutting grass in wet Florida and still love using this machine. Maybe, your unit had a few problems, but in general we cant get enough of this one.
187 or whatever pounds...brutal in western PA lol
It does not weigh more than your average high school track-star, around 140 lbs. I doubt a track-star could hurt your lawn.
@@mainstreetmowerThe commercial units are +40 more pounds. It isnt that it hurts the lawn but that its too heavy for hills. Carry on.
One word. Knees
th-cam.com/video/u5yrBe20Yhw/w-d-xo.html
If I have 1 acre of land I'll be on a rider lawnmower....and why are your knees dirty lol
We agree with you. 1 acreage is a lot of area to cover on a 30" Walk behind mower. However, we do see a lot of customers that buy the walk behind for the sake of the budget or exercise. And the mowers mentioned in the video are durable enough to easily handle that area.
As for the knees, we're not really professional actors here. check out this video, maybe it'll answer your concerns: th-cam.com/video/u5yrBe20Yhw/w-d-xo.html
@@mainstreetmower right on brother
You lost me at Briggs and Stratton
Go Commercial. You could choose Kawasaki or Kohler.
Wish they’d put a Honda on the timemaster
I watched this review and bought the Toto 30 inch Timemaster. I need everyone to know that this is the biggest piece of junk I have ever owned and Toro does not stand behind their warranty. I have had belts dislodge, belts stretched so that the mower blades wobble and cut the lawn like a drunken bum. I have had failure of the gas to get into the engine due to the improper design of the the gas cap. There is a fix for that but Toro only does it when your engine fails. All complaints and problems were met with Toro saying these were wear and tear issues and are not covered. Today, after 20 hours of total use white smoke started coming out of the engine. What can I say other than that is you buy a Toro timemaster you will regret it. You have been warned.
Alan, we are sorry that you had such an unpleasant experience. We have sold hundreds of these and have nothing but satisfied customers. I would give one to my father-in-law, as well as my pastor, without worrying if they would like it or not. It seems that your bad experience was a result of your dealership. Maybe try another one.
@@mainstreetmower I have taken my complaints directly to Toro and they have fallen on deaf ears. Now it is possible that the dealership had not set the cable tensions correctly which has resulted in the belt stretching but I have had the mower serviced at two different locations, so I believe this is a specific mower issue and Toro refuses to address it. Too bad as I will continue to tell everyone I can about my poor experience and hope I dissuade anyone from buying this mower. I do thank you for your concern.
I think 21 is closer to 21 not 16
I'll save everybody some time, go buy a Honda lol
Hondas are fine. We sell them too. However, they do not offer a 30" mower. If you wanna mow your yard fast, go with a 30" TORO.
You're spending a little too much time on your knees 🤭
Only in the service of God... or mowers.
@@mainstreetmower well played!!
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3: 16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16: 16
“.....Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”
Matthew 3: 2..
Pants man 👖
toro has bad customer support stay away
It's hard to taker advice from a guy who sells Toro's. Your a Toro salesman. Of course your going to give Toro an awesome review. Duh....
Michshnly, I understand why you might think that but we actually love this product. We are a real business, with real customers. If we give people bad advise, we hear about it. We only give advise we would tell a friends or family member. This is the heart behind all of our videos. If there is a product we don't think is good, we wont make a video promoting it. Duh...
Here's some advice right back at you. Never trust a salesman. Trust landscaper opinions. You do know people lie in the world right? Toro mowers are garbage. When i go to Home depot i see them lined up. At first I thought there where used on sale in the tool rental area., They where all broken down with issues being repaired. Not one Honda. It's always Toro. So here's some further proof Toro is crap. Ask any landscaper. Landscapers have and use Bradley, ExMark, Turf Beast and Ferris. If you worked for Exmark you;d be staying there product is the best. Your opinions are for sale. And your for sale too.