Those trailers should be banned just relying on one Axle when tub is up bloody stupid , and bolders shouldn't really be in that kind off trailer , nothing should be in that kind off trailer it's a dangerous design
Those trailers are meant to unload only material that slides easily. Boulders that interlock will most definitely cause a tip over. That driver should have never hauled that load.
This is why they make Steel trailers. Stone bigger than 6-12" rip rap should never be put in an aluminum trailer. Rocks like this will easily dig themselves into the aluminum during loading and then you end up with this situation, regardless of the trailer being frameless or framed.
Lower the box all the way down, pull ahead about 75', back -up as fast as possible and slam on your brakes. Repeat until the load breaks loose. Works great especially with large rock.
You never load a frameless all the way up in the front, and by the way that is an aluminum trailer, why would you put boulders in an aluminum trailer?😂😂😂😂
Yup..with boulders I usually lower it almost all the way down.. reverse then push on the breaks just enough to loosen the load..I never do it raised that high..
Wrong trailer for the job, never use an aluminum trailer for rock like that. Rocks got hung up at the front making it very unstable. Having the suspension still inflated also made it unstable. Pulling forward with rocks jammed at the front, air still in the bags made for the demise of the trailer. I'm guessing the driver must be new at the job.
I drove a semi dump truck for 35 years and those are the hardest loads to get rid of I’ve seen a lot of trucks end up on it’s side because they were too fast.
The BEST way to try to get that out is get it part way up, pull ahead to make sure there aren’t any rocks under the trailer tires, put it in reverse and spoke the brakes. If the load doesn’t move off the nose, lower it down and call a material claw over and get it to FD the nose. I’ve blown hydraulic hoses keeping it up in the air like that and laid one on its side…once. Not fun.
I have pulled this kind of trailer years ago in the UK, made by Dyson, but don't know if they are still used. In those days there was no air suspension so can't commet on the deflation first remarks, but to my mind the worst thing you can do if you have a load stuck up top is move forward with it raised. Time consuming I know but the only way is to drop and move, raise, drop and move, and maybe give a quick shunt in reverse with the lowered body to unjam the load.I have seen others lay tippers on their sides, both frameless and otherwise, due to not following this advice with stuck loads. Even sand in the winter time can get stuck and roll a trailer.
We have to admit putting boulders in a frameless not a great idea but it can be done with experience and you should always dump airbags that’s why my trailers are set up when you release the tailgate the bags dump but he has a barn door
With the rocks jammed up high, center of gravity was wrong. No bottom weight. All he had to do was drop the trailer back down, jerk forward to loosen, then redump. And I`m not even a driver. Just some 5 yr old sandbox experience.
True should have lowered it down once the top rocks didn’t come down. Shouldn’t have even tried to rise it . Seen more then a few top over at the local dump. Some scary stuff and for sure you don’t want to be next to them when dumping.
I'm a diesel mechanic and had to replace the main lifting hydraulic arm on a turned over dump truck. Had to cut the first stage connection with a torch to get it out. Truck was down 2 weeks to source the parts.
Well as a frame less dump hauler myself the first mistake I spotted other than being over loaded is the driver never dumped the trailer air bags and secondly he should have rolled ahead more as he dumps the trailer pushed on a stone causing the tip over
Keep in mind this is all pumice stone. Which could actually be worse. Yes he could have rolled forward farther and allowed for the base of the trailer to clear. That and have had a better spotter.
The easiest way to free up the Boulders in the Nose of the Trailer. Lower the Dump, then pull forward 50 feet or more. Then make a quick Reverse and hit the Brakes. Do it once or twice. Will prevent a Lay Over.
we had these in the uk in the 1970,s single and tandem axle ,, also with dumper bodies,,, always tip in straight line... and never extend ram over 2/3 rds....until empty,,, if load sticks... shovel it out,,, a great success for scrap yard,,,,
@@cowsgohuh7328 Yes... it is more common than you might think. In fact the hydraulics and lift cylinder are designed to break away so that the cab doesn't go over with the trailer.
the worst kind of a trailer for this job , theres a stronger frame in my brass bed i got for my honeymoon all those years ago ,, secondly why load big stuff like this in a long trailer like this , better load well to the rear , no point in having big rocks stuck with the triler 30 foot in the air ,, the trailer looks like it has air suspension and was in full pressure mode ,, it was better to deflate in conditions like this ,, glad to see the tractor unit didnt go over at least that was saved during the dive
@@ccook3659 ah yea ,, tell you what theres more metal in the subframe of the brass bed than that auld trailer ,, how are you , thanks for the comment and greetings from ireland,,, john
Keep in mind this is all pumice stone. Which could actually make the situation worse. The trailer is built to break away in the even this happens so the truck is not pulled over with the trailer.
Nah we use frameless trailers for boulders all the time, you gotta use a round bottom a rock tube and you just get the fucker up and let that shit get out don’t sit around with rip rap in the front like that
This is not a rock trailer, and should've never been used for this. The driver should've known better. There are trailers that are designed to haul rocks this size, they have rounded bottom to prevent rocks from getting wedged together so they come out freely.
Chances are high that the driver refused to haul it, but the boss man not wanting to lose money and profit said, "haul it, or I'll hire someone that will haul it," I was a roll off driver and this is what my boss once told me when I told him that my truck had trouble picking up 30yd dumpster filled to the rim of sand and dirt. Let me say it was a scary ride back to the company yard, barely had brakes, no Jake brake. I had another driver unload the dumpster because the front tires would rise off the ground at least 5ft and it scared the crap out of me. I was lucky weight master didn't see my wheels sqautin the way they did. Driver may refuse but boss will force drivers to do things they know are unsafe and against regulation.
@@NinetyFiveBravo1775 There's no such thing as being forced to " haul a load or else" in my book, at the end of the day the driver is responsible for that truck and cargo. If the boss doesn't agree with that, it's his problem not mine. I'm out.
@@dragongnnr not so easily said by those that need those checks to provide for a family. I understand what you're saying and even the law say I the driver have the right to refuse to operate defective equipment for example.....but you know as well as I do that everybody can't afford to just walk out like you say you would. 2 drivers died at this particular company, not being safe and rushing so they wouldn't be replaced...plenty of times I refused to drive my assigned truck.....if we didn't have a back up truck.....well I was told to drive it or drive to the unemployment line.
@@NinetyFiveBravo1775 Yeah, I get what you're saying, and hard to make that choice for some people. I've been blessed to work for a company that relies on driver input to make sure safety comes first. We as drivers are held accountable for the safe operation of our equipment, likewise we hold them accountable to provide us with the proper equipment to get the job done safely.
This driver has been hauling this type of pumice stone for almost 30 years. Doesn't make it right. Should have requested an experienced spotter perhaps and waited for the bottom to clear before raising higher?
OK I just did a Google search and can see what you mean now. The trailer has air suspension at the back, which the driver left inflated allowing lateral movement. If he'd emptied them the trailer would have lowered onto a solid support and been heaps more stable. Is that how it works? I can totally see that. When it did the first wobble there was a ton of lateral moving in both directions, which figures because I am not sure that air suspension can be damped as well as hydraulic dampers - hmmm that does not mean the truch should not have both I guess. When I searched Google, it appears that end dumping trailers fall over on a very regular basis, but not the same one thankfully.
@@TrevorDennis100 yes. That thing is WAY overloaded too. If your load is sticking in the nose, drop it and make a strategy. Drop it and get in and pry the blockage.
The only way to operate a frameless is to mount the controls on the left side of the seat so you can stand on the ground and watch it go up. It's not really a dump truck. An inch off on the ground is 8 or 10 inches on top. BTW, boulders in a frameless trailer is asking for trouble.
Am i the only person to see he didn't dump his airbags on the trailer? There was a few things I would have done way different. I don't care about nothing except getting the load off.
My end dump trailer is a vantage as soon as I open my door my bags drop and I believe its more safe to dump.. also if you going to lift that trailer go all the way up... never back up with trailer lifted especially if you have material at the very top
I was thinking the same thing in a situation like this. Pull forward with enough space behind, operate in high range reverse or vice versa, throw trans back in neutral and slam the brakes to get the danger out of the front nose.
@@nlikicI disagree, When you brake hard the force on the ram is not downward, but away, and as the force of the brake reaches maximum, so does the relief of the weight as the load quickly slips down the trailer.
I believe the solution was rocking it slightly back in forth time is science when you leave weight up to long this happens it was truckers fault not trailer but still they could have used side dump trailer
That happens here too. On the one hand, this is a really stupid trailer design. We have 3 axles lowered to the ground and the air suspension is lowered at tipping. Then you should raise the trough completely so that the weight shifts backwards. This is also what it says in the operating instructions. But he must have been afraid for his bows. That's why I'm dismantling something like this first. I don't know if such a long trailer is suitable for something like that. I don't know what kind of stones they are, but 30 tons usually fit into shorter trailers.
Any idiot should know not to haul rocks that big on those. That truck is also way overloaded . I do it with a triaxle demolition bed and it weighs over 80000 lbs at times and the bed isn't half that size and it still gets a bit shaky when those rocks come out all of the sudden. I hate hauling those, lol.
Actually it only appears to be overloaded. It is pumice stone. The driver has been hauling and dumping it for over 20 years. And has operated for well over 30 years. His weight was under the 80,000 lb maximum. As well his axle weights were all within limits.
I am not a dump truck driver but just watching that video made me very upset! Why would anybody LOAD those kind of boulders in an aluminum dump trailer if it would have been a steel dump trailer that may have had a very different outcome!
I've owned 10 end dumps currently have 2 steel rock tubs. Have pulled since 1985. Looks way over loaded, should have used a tub, and if I do run heavy I over load rear so it falls out fast. I try to leave front of trailer empty for few feet. Rocks are tricky cause they will hang up then break loose on one side first. You got to know when to pass on some loads that just aren't right. The difference between a 32 foot and a 38 is night and day. No one where I live hauls boulders with 38 any more they use side dumps.
Scotty doesn't Know... Hey old timer, lol... I'm not quite as experienced as you are... only been pulling since '89 myself. Not all dump work, but certainly have done my share, along with rolloff (straight, and tractor trailer) which has its similarities. I worked at one time (briefly) for a small sand hauling outfit, and one of our common "backhauls" was broken concrete from a transfer station in the city, out to the same pit where we would pick up our second load. You would back in next to a wall, and then walk around the wall and go up a ladder to a vantage point to observe the loading. Your only means of getting the operator's attention was to throw sh!t at his machine... but of course, he knew full well when you wouldn't like what he was about to do... and he would go to extraordinary lengths to "not notice you". So, one morning as he approached my trailer with a chunk of concrete the size of a Volkswagen, (and even though I broke his windshield with a hammer) somehow he didn't "notice"me until after he had plunked that monstrosity into the FRONT THIRD of my trailer. I phoned my boss, who of course told me to just "be careful" and "do the best you can". Now I wouldn't have been too concerned if another driver (prior to me working there) hadn't already damaged the gate, leaving it only operable as a sand gate, but this thing would barely pass under that gate slowly and smoothly. As you know, if the whole load breaks loose, you can walk it out with out anything gaining momentum... but of course that's not how it went. Even with the boss's "top dog" driver there when I was dumping, we were unable to manipulate this thing in any proper fashion, and eventually, "top dog" instructed me to "just put it up". I KNOW that I don't have to tell you what happened... but do you know HOW FAR that gate went? About a trailer length, and far enough up the pile that the only way the loader could reach it was to drive around the pile and come from the top to "flick" it back down to the bottom, lol. It didn't take long for me to decide I had to leave that outfit, and I had to carefully time my departure to avoid being screwed out of my last week of pay as I had seen happen to a couple of drivers who left before me. I think that pissed the boss off more than anything else... The fact that he didn't get to screw me on my way out. All I can say to any boss of his caliber is... "Not everyone is dumber than you."
Bob in the West I dug up a 2 cubic yd sign base on a job and haven't hauled it yet. I don't want it to dent trailer or flip up and hit my hi lift gate. I may switch trailers and use barn door with 6 inch dirt bedding and gently set it on rear of trailer. I once had ten wheeler large piece rolled over the top ripped off entire gate. 2 days welding to fix. For one bad load.
Scotty doesn't Know ... Yeah, I like to put the stupid stuff right at the door if I have any say in the matter... and any kind of side hinged door is better than top hinges for such work for sure. Luckily these days I'm not working with such challenges. They just added something else to my routine the other day... ground up roofing. No big chunks, but it doesn't pour well off the flat floor, so the weight does sit up there for a bit. I don't get the last stage out of the cylinder right away for some reason. My truck is a newer truck, and seems stupid in some ways... like when the pto is engaged the throttle is deactivated, and to set a high idle the tractor parking brake must be set. So today (my second load of this material with this equipment) the truck nearly stalled pushing out the final stage before the bulk of the load poured out. I pass several weigh stations on the route, so there's only so much I can do as far as putting less in the nose. I'm thinking of trying something more like a belly load next time around to see if that might make it easier on the cylinder, but I don't know if that will do the trick or not. Seems like that haul is going to be a regular thing now, so I have plenty of opportunity to figure out what will work best. I don't like to "shake it out" if not necessary. I just need to get full height out of the cylinder right from the get go and I think it should dump fine. We will see, lol
Bob in the West If I'm loaded heavy like 27 ton my last stage doesn't like to go up. I have to rev it up or slip the load. I'm legal at 22 ton, I like to stay there. I've also noticed when pumps get weak they won't lift last stage. I change my pump about every 4 years. I usually dump 6 to 10 times a day for a month then pull belly or lowboy or run equipment for 2 weeks. I will never own a trailer with an inverted ram. I think they leak worse and are more tippy because extra weight at top. Had a wagon pup with one for 10 years.
The end dumps aren’t really made for that type of material. It’s too bulky and it looks heavy enough to pierce that aluminum on the way down. Should’ve used a standard dump dump truck. More trips but different outcome.
This stone is all pumice. The bed is lined. Weighed in under limits. The trailer.... designed to break away in the event of a tip over. All the above does not make it right however....
I realize this is from 8 years ago, but when are we going to learn how to hold a phone correctly? You could have gotten the entire scene in one shot without having to move if you just held the phone correctly
WHO EVER THOUGHT PUTTING THOSE BOULDERS IN A TRAILER LIKE THAT WAS IGNORANT.
Whoever’s operating that trailer is ignorant
yep totally agree specially a long semi at that very clever 😢
Might as well throw some gumbo on top of that material and make it a party.
Those trailers should be banned just relying on one Axle when tub is up bloody stupid , and bolders shouldn't really be in that kind off trailer , nothing should be in that kind off trailer it's a dangerous design
@@davidmilledge221been pulling one for 13 years and never laid one over. Don’t be an idiot and load that material in one and they won’t go down.
Those trailers are meant to unload only material that slides easily. Boulders that interlock will most definitely cause a tip over. That driver should have never hauled that load.
That's a Aluminum Trailer not ment to haul that
Wrong operator, wrong trailer, wrong load. What could go wrong?
Although I agree that it is not the equipment for that type of load, the trailer's airbags were full, it was not stable
Aluminum end dumps were not made to haul boulders, thats why are half round steel end dumps!!
A co worker tried to haul broken asphalt in one ! Over it went !
It all happened because the air bags weren't dumped.
smylebutta7250 thats not the reason at all you fuckin peanut! The fuck outta here before i twang them ear lobes!
Actually that’s exactly why... didn’t dump the air bags.
@@danielsterio9188 I pulled a frameless round bottom for ten years hauling everything dealing with demolition. How about you?
Boulders get stuck in tri-axles . Putting that many in an aluminum end dump is ridiculous 😊
100% drivers fault. ALWAYS dump the air in the trailer when dumping a frameles.
This is why they make Steel trailers. Stone bigger than 6-12" rip rap should never be put in an aluminum trailer. Rocks like this will easily dig themselves into the aluminum during loading and then you end up with this situation, regardless of the trailer being frameless or framed.
I wouldn’t put 4” in mine and would fire anyone that tried.
Takes a steel half round tub to haul rip rap. Square body trailers bridge big rocks.
Lower the box all the way down, pull ahead about 75', back -up as fast as possible and slam on your brakes. Repeat until the load breaks loose. Works great especially with large rock.
And don't forget to pop the transmission in neutral before hitting those breaks 😉
Still had air in the bags
BIG NO NO
That’s what I was thinking. He didn’t release the bags which allowed the trailer to bounce..
@GenX Marketing Group also why he had the material in a trailer that's not designed for it no no too
You never load a frameless all the way up in the front, and by the way that is an aluminum trailer, why would you put boulders in an aluminum trailer?😂😂😂😂
Keep in mind.... this is all pumice. Driver has been loading this material for almost 30 years.
Bummer, at least tractor didn't lay down with the trailer. First couple of times I started dumping frameless made me nervous....😬😬😬
Need a round tub for that size rock. Big rock gets jammed in a square bottom.
Yup..with boulders I usually lower it almost all the way down.. reverse then push on the breaks just enough to loosen the load..I never do it raised that high..
Wrong trailer for the job, never use an aluminum trailer for rock like that. Rocks got hung up at the front making it very unstable. Having the suspension still inflated also made it unstable. Pulling forward with rocks jammed at the front, air still in the bags made for the demise of the trailer. I'm guessing the driver must be new at the job.
It literally says in the description that the driver has 30+ years of experience
@@Ozzy_boi20 30+ years experience driving a different kind of dump truck more than likely
first comment and the first 5 words where taken out of my mouth.....wrong trailer for the job, 100% correct
Air in the suspension had a lot to do with that
@@rockingj3937 And a frameless at that.
I drove a semi dump truck for 35 years and those are the hardest loads to get rid of I’ve seen a lot of trucks end up on it’s side because they were too fast.
Who would load that kind of material on a aluminum trailer
Wrong Trailer for the material being carried.
That trailer is not made for hauling that kinda shit
The BEST way to try to get that out is get it part way up, pull ahead to make sure there aren’t any rocks under the trailer tires, put it in reverse and spoke the brakes. If the load doesn’t move off the nose, lower it down and call a material claw over and get it to FD the nose. I’ve blown hydraulic hoses keeping it up in the air like that and laid one on its side…once. Not fun.
Maybe the best reply yet.... keep in mind this is all pumice stone.
That's what happens with frameless dump trailers
Should have let it down sooner. Gotten an excavator there to pull the load from the front to the tailgate.
Aluminum trailer with rocks in it definitely the wrong idea from the start
Fails:Framles,alumínium,squared,..For rocks always halfpipe steel bucket
Rocks on a frameless. Wow!!! Never ever do this !!
Someone had a brain fart putting Boulders that size in the dump I'm waiting for it to flop over😂
Didn't even dump the air bag's, everything he did was wrong.
That driver should have known better. NEVER EVER load a frame-less trailer with huge rocks. Never load in front of the landing gears also.
I have pulled this kind of trailer years ago in the UK, made by Dyson, but don't know if they are still used. In those days there was no air suspension so can't commet on the deflation first remarks, but to my mind the worst thing you can do if you have a load stuck up top is move forward with it raised. Time consuming I know but the only way is to drop and move, raise, drop and move, and maybe give a quick shunt in reverse with the lowered body to unjam the load.I have seen others lay tippers on their sides, both frameless and otherwise, due to not following this advice with stuck loads. Even sand in the winter time can get stuck and roll a trailer.
Aren't you supposed to deflate air bags while dumping?
You can or can’t, but it’s safest too so that if you would blow a bag while in the air she’d stay upright
Why? Don't go higher....lower it...and "bump" them out to get all the weight out the front.
I don't understand.
The problem is when the big rocks get stuck in the top and will not move making to much weight at the top wrong rocks for that trailer
You don’t haul rip rap in that type end dump. Not ever.
Been loading trucks like this for 22 years. I wouldn't recommend loading a trailer... with boulders!
Well with the right trailer it’s okay.
We have to admit putting boulders in a frameless not a great idea but it can be done with experience and you should always dump airbags that’s why my trailers are set up when you release the tailgate the bags dump but he has a barn door
Kept it up too long, the rotation momentum of the earth overcame the flux capacitor! 😂😂👍
Bolders in a aluminum dump bed yeah he must of been really needing the cash from the load to do that
Boss: “Something going on out here?!?”
Man: “No sir....nothing!” 😬
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It doesn’t look like he dropped the back air bags,if not that’s a no no
You can see the bags were full the suspension was moving up and down
And those boulders do not belong in an end dump
Who in the hell hauls rip rap with a non demolition trailer. Then in an aluminum trailer...holy shit
When the daughters boyfriend “borrows” the trailer 😂
With the rocks jammed up high, center of gravity was wrong. No bottom weight. All he had to do was drop the trailer back down, jerk forward to loosen, then redump. And I`m not even a driver. Just some 5 yr old sandbox experience.
Lol😂
True should have lowered it down once the top rocks didn’t come down. Shouldn’t have even tried to rise it . Seen more then a few top over at the local dump. Some scary stuff and for sure you don’t want to be next to them when dumping.
I'm a diesel mechanic and had to replace the main lifting hydraulic arm on a turned over dump truck. Had to cut the first stage connection with a torch to get it out. Truck was down 2 weeks to source the parts.
First off...dude was grossly overloaded!!, secondly you never put hard rock in an aluminum tub
Keep in mind.... This is all pumice stone. Weight wise the truck weighed in under limits.
Exactly!! Thats why we had steel round bottom dumps that were frameless where I worked for ten years. not one rollover!!
Josef Venport that’s what I use, have couple of videos on my channel
Wtf, aluminum trailers are not to haul rock wtf
Well as a frame less dump hauler myself the first mistake I spotted other than being over loaded is the driver never dumped the trailer air bags and secondly he should have rolled ahead more as he dumps the trailer pushed on a stone causing the tip over
Keep in mind this is all pumice stone. Which could actually be worse. Yes he could have rolled forward farther and allowed for the base of the trailer to clear. That and have had a better spotter.
The easiest way to free up the Boulders in the Nose of the Trailer. Lower the Dump, then pull forward 50 feet or more. Then make a quick Reverse and hit the Brakes. Do it once or twice. Will prevent a Lay Over.
"It'll probably tip over, but it's worth a try."
Turned that end dump into a side dump. For the win
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I can't think of a worse trailer to use for that material. Someone got greedy or they're just plain dumb.
Rookie mistake!! It was a fail from start. Complete set up wrong .. Never dump on air bags they always need to be dropped.
He literally never got out the truck and he know damn well that aluminum trailer ain’t built for them boulders
Why wasn't the suspension dumped? The air ride was still inflated!! WTF
we had these in the uk in the 1970,s single and tandem axle ,, also with dumper bodies,,, always tip in straight line... and never extend ram over 2/3 rds....until empty,,, if load sticks... shovel it out,,, a great success for scrap yard,,,,
Ever tried to shovel a gigantic rock?Impossible.The only way to get them out is with an excavator with a grab attachment.
It’s funny how they knew to unload this truck in the middle of the yard and not next to any equipment or buildings. Lol
Two types of end dump drivers. Ones who have tipped over and ones who will tip over.
@@cowsgohuh7328 Yes... it is more common than you might think. In fact the hydraulics and lift cylinder are designed to break away so that the cab doesn't go over with the trailer.
Gotta be smarter than the box of rocks. 🤷🏼♂️
the worst kind of a trailer for this job , theres a stronger frame in my brass bed i got for my honeymoon all those years ago ,, secondly why load big stuff like this in a long trailer like this , better load well to the rear , no point in having big rocks stuck with the triler 30 foot in the air ,, the trailer looks like it has air suspension and was in full pressure mode ,, it was better to deflate in conditions like this ,, glad to see the tractor unit didnt go over at least that was saved during the dive
Thinking your brass bed is heavy duty...👀😳
@@ccook3659 ah yea ,, tell you what theres more metal in the subframe of the brass bed than that auld trailer ,, how are you , thanks for the comment and greetings from ireland,,, john
Keep in mind this is all pumice stone. Which could actually make the situation worse. The trailer is built to break away in the even this happens so the truck is not pulled over with the trailer.
Doesn’t appear to be the right tool for the job.
Predictable, those frameless trailers are only good for smooth flowing material on flat ground with the air dumped
You can haul it if you know what you are doing. The air should be out of the bags and If that load is stuck, drop it and think of a strategy.
Nah we use frameless trailers for boulders all the time, you gotta use a round bottom a rock tube and you just get the fucker up and let that shit get out don’t sit around with rip rap in the front like that
This is not a rock trailer, and should've never been used for this. The driver should've known better. There are trailers that are designed to haul rocks this size, they have rounded bottom to prevent rocks from getting wedged together so they come out freely.
Chances are high that the driver refused to haul it, but the boss man not wanting to lose money and profit said, "haul it, or I'll hire someone that will haul it,"
I was a roll off driver and this is what my boss once told me when I told him that my truck had trouble picking up 30yd dumpster filled to the rim of sand and dirt. Let me say it was a scary ride back to the company yard, barely had brakes, no Jake brake. I had another driver unload the dumpster because the front tires would rise off the ground at least 5ft and it scared the crap out of me.
I was lucky weight master didn't see my wheels sqautin the way they did. Driver may refuse but boss will force drivers to do things they know are unsafe and against regulation.
@@NinetyFiveBravo1775 There's no such thing as being forced to " haul a load or else" in my book, at the end of the day the driver is responsible for that truck and cargo. If the boss doesn't agree with that, it's his problem not mine. I'm out.
@@dragongnnr not so easily said by those that need those checks to provide for a family. I understand what you're saying and even the law say I the driver have the right to refuse to operate defective equipment for example.....but you know as well as I do that everybody can't afford to just walk out like you say you would. 2 drivers died at this particular company, not being safe and rushing so they wouldn't be replaced...plenty of times I refused to drive my assigned truck.....if we didn't have a back up truck.....well I was told to drive it or drive to the unemployment line.
@@NinetyFiveBravo1775 Yeah, I get what you're saying, and hard to make that choice for some people. I've been blessed to work for a company that relies on driver input to make sure safety comes first. We as drivers are held accountable for the safe operation of our equipment, likewise we hold them accountable to provide us with the proper equipment to get the job done safely.
This driver has been hauling this type of pumice stone for almost 30 years. Doesn't make it right. Should have requested an experienced spotter perhaps and waited for the bottom to clear before raising higher?
That's the wrong end dump for stone boulder, you need a U shape end dump
Won't believe it??? Dude, I don't even do this kind of work and even I could see that shit coming from a mile away. 😂
Definitely that wasn’t the trailer for that, they have demolishing trailer
It looks like it was overloaded actually which didn't help.
Overloaded and forgot to dump them air bags. Waste of a good trailer
OK I just did a Google search and can see what you mean now. The trailer has air suspension at the back, which the driver left inflated allowing lateral movement. If he'd emptied them the trailer would have lowered onto a solid support and been heaps more stable. Is that how it works? I can totally see that. When it did the first wobble there was a ton of lateral moving in both directions, which figures because I am not sure that air suspension can be damped as well as hydraulic dampers - hmmm that does not mean the truch should not have both I guess. When I searched Google, it appears that end dumping trailers fall over on a very regular basis, but not the same one thankfully.
@@TrevorDennis100 yes. That thing is WAY overloaded too. If your load is sticking in the nose, drop it and make a strategy. Drop it and get in and pry the blockage.
Boulders and allinium don’t match
The trailer air bags are not dumped. Wtf did they expect to happen?????
Looks to me if you watch the back axle on the trailer he still has air in his bags the way its bouncing around
shit should had have a steel round bottom do that job wtf was he thinking in a aluminum end dump
Jesus Garica he was thinking damn after he tipped it over....
and you dont let the box down if it starts go pearshaped. you floor it up and hope for the best.
Keep in mind this is all pumice stone. Doesn't make it right.
All he had to do was raise about a 3rd of the way up and pull and then back up and hit the breaks .
Brakes
The only way to operate a frameless is to mount the controls on the left side of the seat so you can stand on the ground and watch it go up. It's not really a dump truck. An inch off on the ground is 8 or 10 inches on top. BTW, boulders in a frameless trailer is asking for trouble.
Holding the camera the right way would have made the video better.
@ you sound.like a pussy yourself....lol
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Takes one to know one.
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Whoever loaded this trailer either knew what they were doing or it was his first day.
Am i the only person to see he didn't dump his airbags on the trailer? There was a few things I would have done way different. I don't care about nothing except getting the load off.
Dumping the air may have helped, but it was still the wrong trailer for the job
Well boss, I have some scrap aluminum.....
Why would you load shot rock in a high side Aluminum dump?
That’s bigger than rip rap. That’s like 3 man.
@@cowsgohuh7328 we call them boulders here, lol.
This is all pumice stone. This particular truck and trailer are designed for the trailer to break away in the event of a tip over.
Every end dump has been a side dump at least once.
My end dump trailer is a vantage as soon as I open my door my bags drop and I believe its more safe to dump.. also if you going to lift that trailer go all the way up... never back up with trailer lifted especially if you have material at the very top
I kept thinking why didn't he lower it all the way down pull ahead and try and back up and slam on the brakes wants to break it loose
I was thinking the same thing in a situation like this. Pull forward with enough space behind, operate in high range reverse or vice versa, throw trans back in neutral and slam the brakes to get the danger out of the front nose.
driving forward and slamming brakes creating even higher hazard for pistons snap.
I used to do this with my demo loads that got stuck. But you got to be on seriously level ground. Some drivers don’t have the nerve for it.
@@nlikicI disagree, When you brake hard the force on the ram is not downward, but away, and as the force of the brake reaches maximum, so does the relief of the weight as the load quickly slips down the trailer.
Saw that coming from the beginning of the clip.
I never would have loaded that load! Period
Atleast it didn't take the truck over. That could have been worse.
" We have a bolder haul job for you .."..
" No thanks..! "
I believe the solution was rocking it slightly back in forth time is science when you leave weight up to long this happens it was truckers fault not trailer but still they could have used side dump trailer
Technically he did use a side dump trailer...
Amazing how quick things can go bad.
He lasted longer than I thought to be fair
That happens here too. On the one hand, this is a really stupid trailer design. We have 3 axles lowered to the ground and the air suspension is lowered at tipping.
Then you should raise the trough completely so that the weight shifts backwards. This is also what it says in the operating instructions. But he must have been afraid for his bows. That's why I'm dismantling something like this first.
I don't know if such a long trailer is suitable for something like that. I don't know what kind of stones they are, but 30 tons usually fit into shorter trailers.
This is all pumice stone. Which could actually be worse as it tends to lock/weld together on a trip.
How an end dump becomes a side dump.
Pulled end dump for 45 years,no issues,need plastic liner,no exceptions!
Why would one haul a load like that in that type of trailer.
This is all pumice stone. Driver has been hauling this stuff for almost 30 years. Doesn't make it right. Play stupid games.... win stupid prizes.
Boss - Gary did something make loud boom where you are at?
Gary - No sir, nothing.
😂 I laughed to fucking at at this comment.
It’s not intended for hauling boulders. Dope.
but i always dump sandstone with it
Keep in mind... this is all pumice stone. Doesn't make it right....
I had a frameless trailer start going over on me once, thankfully letting it down quickly enough saved it, it came back around.
Not the right type of truck for carrying rocks.
not the truck it's the trailer
Used to deliver lime and gypsum to farmers fields in a 39' frame less trailer.
Out in a field at dark thirty
Any idiot should know not to haul rocks that big on those. That truck is also way overloaded . I do it with a triaxle demolition bed and it weighs over 80000 lbs at times and the bed isn't half that size and it still gets a bit shaky when those rocks come out all of the sudden. I hate hauling those, lol.
Actually it only appears to be overloaded. It is pumice stone. The driver has been hauling and dumping it for over 20 years. And has operated for well over 30 years. His weight was under the 80,000 lb maximum. As well his axle weights were all within limits.
@@teamsix7185 ah. Pumice. It makes more sense and seems less idiotic now. Haha. Thanks for clarifying.
I am not a dump truck driver but just watching that video made me very upset! Why would anybody LOAD those kind of boulders in an aluminum dump trailer if it would have been a steel dump trailer that may have had a very different outcome!
Boulders like that do nor belong in an end dump...
I've owned 10 end dumps currently have 2 steel rock tubs. Have pulled since 1985. Looks way over loaded, should have used a tub, and if I do run heavy I over load rear so it falls out fast. I try to leave front of trailer empty for few feet. Rocks are tricky cause they will hang up then break loose on one side first. You got to know when to pass on some loads that just aren't right. The difference between a 32 foot and a 38 is night and day. No one where I live hauls boulders with 38 any more they use side dumps.
Scotty doesn't Know...
Hey old timer, lol... I'm not quite as experienced as you are... only been pulling since '89 myself. Not all dump work, but certainly have done my share, along with rolloff (straight, and tractor trailer) which has its similarities.
I worked at one time (briefly) for a small sand hauling outfit, and one of our common "backhauls" was broken concrete from a transfer station in the city, out to the same pit where we would pick up our second load. You would back in next to a wall, and then walk around the wall and go up a ladder to a vantage point to observe the loading. Your only means of getting the operator's attention was to throw sh!t at his machine... but of course, he knew full well when you wouldn't like what he was about to do... and he would go to extraordinary lengths to "not notice you". So, one morning as he approached my trailer with a chunk of concrete the size of a Volkswagen, (and even though I broke his windshield with a hammer) somehow he didn't "notice"me until after he had plunked that monstrosity into the FRONT THIRD of my trailer. I phoned my boss, who of course told me to just "be careful" and "do the best you can". Now I wouldn't have been too concerned if another driver (prior to me working there) hadn't already damaged the gate, leaving it only operable as a sand gate, but this thing would barely pass under that gate slowly and smoothly. As you know, if the whole load breaks loose, you can walk it out with out anything gaining momentum... but of course that's not how it went. Even with the boss's "top dog" driver there when I was dumping, we were unable to manipulate this thing in any proper fashion, and eventually, "top dog" instructed me to "just put it up".
I KNOW that I don't have to tell you what happened... but do you know HOW FAR that gate went?
About a trailer length, and far enough up the pile that the only way the loader could reach it was to drive around the pile and come from the top to "flick" it back down to the bottom, lol.
It didn't take long for me to decide I had to leave that outfit, and I had to carefully time my departure to avoid being screwed out of my last week of pay as I had seen happen to a couple of drivers who left before me. I think that pissed the boss off more than anything else... The fact that he didn't get to screw me on my way out.
All I can say to any boss of his caliber is... "Not everyone is dumber than you."
Bob in the West I dug up a 2 cubic yd sign base on a job and haven't hauled it yet. I don't want it to dent trailer or flip up and hit my hi lift gate. I may switch trailers and use barn door with 6 inch dirt bedding and gently set it on rear of trailer. I once had ten wheeler large piece rolled over the top ripped off entire gate. 2 days welding to fix. For one bad load.
Scotty doesn't Know ...
Yeah, I like to put the stupid stuff right at the door if I have any say in the matter... and any kind of side hinged door is better than top hinges for such work for sure.
Luckily these days I'm not working with such challenges. They just added something else to my routine the other day... ground up roofing. No big chunks, but it doesn't pour well off the flat floor, so the weight does sit up there for a bit. I don't get the last stage out of the cylinder right away for some reason. My truck is a newer truck, and seems stupid in some ways... like when the pto is engaged the throttle is deactivated, and to set a high idle the tractor parking brake must be set. So today (my second load of this material with this equipment) the truck nearly stalled pushing out the final stage before the bulk of the load poured out. I pass several weigh stations on the route, so there's only so much I can do as far as putting less in the nose. I'm thinking of trying something more like a belly load next time around to see if that might make it easier on the cylinder, but I don't know if that will do the trick or not.
Seems like that haul is going to be a regular thing now, so I have plenty of opportunity to figure out what will work best. I don't like to "shake it out" if not necessary. I just need to get full height out of the cylinder right from the get go and I think it should dump fine.
We will see, lol
Bob in the West If I'm loaded heavy like 27 ton my last stage doesn't like to go up. I have to rev it up or slip the load. I'm legal at 22 ton, I like to stay there. I've also noticed when pumps get weak they won't lift last stage. I change my pump about every 4 years. I usually dump 6 to 10 times a day for a month then pull belly or lowboy or run equipment for 2 weeks. I will never own a trailer with an inverted ram. I think they leak worse and are more tippy because extra weight at top. Had a wagon pup with one for 10 years.
Airbags inflated on an aluminum frameless dump hauling rip-rap. Need I say more?
The end dumps aren’t really made for that type of material. It’s too bulky and it looks heavy enough to pierce that aluminum on the way down. Should’ve used a standard dump dump truck. More trips but different outcome.
This stone is all pumice. The bed is lined. Weighed in under limits. The trailer.... designed to break away in the event of a tip over. All the above does not make it right however....
I realize this is from 8 years ago, but when are we going to learn how to hold a phone correctly? You could have gotten the entire scene in one shot without having to move if you just held the phone correctly