Funny thing is Oliver by himself was the only person that got close enough to Diaz. While all the rest of them together only manage to take out some trucks.
Or the fact that if they tried it, they would be dead since there would be no reason for Anatoly to take them to Diaz or Black Siren which is the only way in
Solid episode imo. the Newbies and Diggle stuff was ehhh..i still kinda like Diggle cause i feel he has had valid points even though i think both his and the Newbies arguments against Oliver are half baked at best, Oliver imo has been pretty much on the right and when he has felt he he made a mistake, he apologized. the Newbies during the Civil War arc were handled just poorly imo, to the point where i just cant care for them much at all anymore. i actually felt the Lance/Black Siren and Oliver/Anatoly stuff was much stronger. i personally have bought Black Siren being affected by Quentin, she hesitated when she was ordered to kill Vigilante and seeing how ruthless Diaz can be last week did affect her, Lance has gotten to her. i think shes afraid of Diaz because unlike Zoom and Prometheus, she has seen firsthand how ruthless and unhinged Diaz can be and she scared for Quentin. i have always liked Oliver and Anatoly's relationship and i liked how that subplot was handled this episode. i liked the fight between Oliver and Diaz ( who i like cause i know there are people that dont, espeically after last weeks episode). im intrigued to see how Oliver now being on trial is gonna pan out. also the Diggle Apology, i got why he apologized for the situation getting out of hand and i liked that he said he didnt like how the Newbies condoned themselves, the Newbies should have apologized aswell for casuing him harm atleast but nope, still being a bunch of self righteous noobs
That knife stunt in their fight proves Diaz is nothing without his army around him. He is frightening in his methods but not as intimidating as Zoom or Prometheus. So, to me, Laurel's fear makes zero sense.
Sean Griffin exactly why would they copy zoom That's stupid. Diaz in the comics is a very dangerous man. He cuts off Diggles arm which could still happen. All I want is Diaz to go on to season 7 as well. He is interesting and we need to know more.
Fun reaction guys!! It's sad that I don't feel any sympathy for Wild Dog. They really butchered his character. It's ironic that his memory of being shot this episode was because of Diggle lying to the team about his fitness for field work. Even more ironic, Oliver saved him. He doesn't even portray an iota of guilt or humility regarding his behavior. Still, cool episode. Stephen Amell was great today in the few moments he was on the screen, with this really nuanced sense of burden with clarity. Even though everyone is blaming him like petulant children, including Anatoly LMAO, Oliver seems to thrive on it. Paul and Katie were great too. Still not sold on Diaz, although the power he's purchased in the city is intimidating.
Lets be honest, Laurel could have easily killed ALL the men she's ever worked for with her scream. She didn't , in my opinion, because she often owed them for saving her life or breaking her out or something. She's a very loyal character, even when being psycho. She has the "honour" that Oliver was talking about that Diaz lacks. With Diaz, I think she's afraid of what he can do to people she cares about.
Black Siren does not really have honor. She switches back and forth between sides and would most definitely fight dirty. Nothing wrong with that though.
Diaz is one of those people that can scare you to your soul. Before she knew what he was capable of, she wasn't scared of him. She knew he had power and could get more of it
Inzaynmembrain97 Honestly its dumb Malcom Merlyn, Slade, Ra's, Adrian....Diaz should stand no chance at this point. I know the comic version of Dragon is like the best h2h fighter alive but the show version isnt
Meelo He's still a good fighter though, I'd say Diaz and Prometheus are about equal in terms of fighting. And back then Oliver was actually prepared to fight all of those, where as he isn't prepared to fight Diaz here.
Rosannasfriend - you right that it was a close fight but not because diaz was a match for oliver but because oliver was *holding back.* his only mission by getting captured int he first place was to show anatoly the type of man he was working with was absolutely devoid of honor...
I am pretty sure that Oliver "lost" on purpose, since his goal was to get Anatoly to break with Diaz. I think Oliver has taken some of Diggle's criticism into consideration and is now doing things a little bit differently, though not the way Diggle had in mind. He asked Felicity to step back and focus on William so she wouldn't be both in the line of fire and in the know of Oliver's plans, so anyone following her wouldn't notice anything about Oliver. He is now getting Anatoly out, Laurel will probably fall out with Diaz when he eventually targets Quint for death, Diggle and the rejects are handling the thugs and gangsters, so Oliver will soon have a shot at Diaz at his most vulnerable, all he needs is for the court to finish its process until he is free to move and the showdown will be set. Essetially Oliver is getting everyone to work together, but on their own terms and without realizing their part of a plan rather than a team effort.
Oliver lost because Diaz cheated in the fight and he wanted to speak with anatoly and become friends again. Also Richard Dragon should win but the writers decided to make dragon a more calculated and strong crime lord villian. I like this version too.
I Am Prometheus You got to be kidding me. This is not Richard Dragon man. He's a good crime lord and a strategist who's mind for war is scary and pretty damn crafty but this is NO Richard Dragon. COME ON MAN!
I Am Prometheus I'm just saying I have a Pretty hard time of seeing this guy as Richard Dragon at all. To me he's just Ricardo Diaz not Richard Dragon. To put it simply in my opinion this character is NO Richard Dragon. Also nice icon. I can appreciate a Prometheus fan.
The one thing that I thought of this episode was this: "In a city with known vigilantes, how come bad guys NEVER do a perimeter check to see of any good guys are watching close by?"
Anatoly is definitely changing sides. Oliver told him he didn't have honor and stayed with him because he thought he could be to him but he asked him to provehe's a man by fighting oliver fair. Then the camera cuts to anatoly after he takes a cheap shot. I thought that was brilliant of them to do.
Anatoly was never a terrible character, I mean, he isn't wrong. Oliver did kind of screw him over quite a bit. Anatoly's anger against Oliver was completely justified, albeit his methods of achieving his revenge were questionable.
Nao Sou I completely agree. He made anatoly lose his power. That was the only thing that rubbed me the wrong way with season 5. The way Oliver basically made anatoly lose everything after he decided not to use the bravta anymore
I really liked this one. Laurel is scared of Diaz because he got in her head and is empty you can't control his motivations. The same way people fear dictators its the structure around them and their cruelty that breaks people. Oliver didn't fight to kill so it made it a more even fight. Diaz is to Oliver as Bane is to Batman.
Decent episode, but seriously, why they keep moving the focus from Oliver? I dont wanna see the ridiculous b team and rene's drama. Also, Laurel is afraid of Diaz? WHAT? She literally can SCREAM and kill him in seconds. I hate when they try to sell the main villain by making another pointing how dangerous he are.....
I think I have got the reasoning behind why new laurel says Diaz is the scariest man she ever met. I think it could be because of flashpoint zoom was right before the flashpoint event maybe it change that she never met zoom.
I just love how the repoter never mentioned why is Oliver all bloody and beaten up. Also, did he go to hearing straight from Diaz or they never bothered to clean him up, so he's all bloody for days?
The Laurel Diaz thing I imagine Zoom wasn't as Brutal Where Diaz enjoys the Suffering. Also as far as Lance goes at this Point he's Learned his Daughter and this Laurel had so much in Common difference was him. It's not that much of a Stretch to think of her as a Daughter.
Hey have you guys considered reacting to Lost in Space? It's the new series on Netflix and it would make for really great reactions! I just finished watching it and it was really good.
It's gotta be said that my two favourite TV shows have the same actor in them. His portrayal of Ramsey in 12 Monkeys is phenomenal and I recommend you guys do a reaction on it. But Kirk Acevedo is a damn fine actor. His Diaz is a perfect villian to bring Arrow back to what made it a great show. I can't wait to see his presence ever resonating through the show like Adrian or Tommy. Seeing what's happening I thing that the alliances that are forming kinda give me the vibe that everything is going to go back to Team Arrow being a thing with Laurel and Oliver putting a strain on the Felicity and Oliver marriage, which does give them an out if they want to take it. I feel like the Outsiders are going to still be a thing because of new Team Arrow. John is going to stay with ARGUS and help out in anyways that he can. Lastly, Quentin will be the mayor still and have to deal with the carnage of everything Diaz brought down on the city in the season finale.
+xavierxrc she could kill him in a second..if she wanted..so her being scared because she is afraid he would hurt lance..doesn't make a lot of sence..it's just bad writing..and them going overboard to prove how bad diaz is.
Clara Manyy You think that Diaz is the only person that she would have to kill, that's wrong. Diaz owns the city if he dies he would probably have whoever took him out kill the person who took him out and their family. It's like Mob drug cartel Life insurance that's why mob bosses stay around for years. And if that's the case she could with no collateral damage why doesn't Dinah Drake take out Diaz if it's that simple, the answer is because it's not that simple.
Oliver literally DESTROYED Deathstroke, Ra's Al Ghul, Damien Darhk... And Diaz, WEAK (Comparing him with these guys I talked about) kicked his ass so hard... WTF
People are so stupid. Black Siren is afraid for Quentin, *not* for herself. She knows how ruthless Diaz is, and this is what makes her afraid of him. Why do you think she tried to force Quentin to sign the paper? As for Oliver, he easily could have killed Diaz but was holding back. I've seen some people in the comment say that Diaz should have wrecked Oliver in seconds, while others are saying that Oliver should have wrecked Diaz in seconds. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS PEOPLE! THESE WRITERS CANNOT WIN!!
What if Diaz is beaten by the end and goes on to the next season to ask Lady Shiva for help in beating Oliver. He also turns out to be a protege of Shiva who will be the next villain for season 7. That would be really cool because it's been awhile since we had a villain who truly is Oliver's combatant equal or superior. Lady Shiva would be the perfect choice plus it would be interesting to have a female as the main villain.
This Richard Dragon isn't the martial artist one from the comics. That is the Richard Dragon from New Earth. They are using the Richard Dragon from Prime Earth, who is a crimelord called Ricardo Diaz. dc.wikia.com/wiki/Ricardo_Diaz,_Jr._(Prime_Earth) He has no connection to the Martial World and to figured like Lady Shiva. He is just a very disciplined and trained crimelord, not a world-class martial artist. Also, they already ruined Ra's by allowing Oliver to beat him in a sword fight no less. If they put Lady Shiva in the show, she either kills Oliver because she is one of the greatest fighters in the DC Universe OR they ruin her character by powering her down so she can be beaten by Oliver.
Nao Sou Then have Oliver beat Shiva in a way that doesn't involve exactly combat so that way it doesn't seem like a they are powering down Shiva. And I agree they should have waited a later season to make Ras a main villain.
They should have made Oliver defeat Ra's through a bet or something like that and appeal to his sense of honor and the importance of his word as leader of the league. Having a guy who trained martial arts for 5 years defeat a centuries years old warrior who literally lives for fighting and killing and trains everyday in a direct combat was beyond stupid. And you are right, if they were to put Shiva in the show, that is how they should do it, but based on the 6 seasons of arrow we have had so far, we both know the writers aren't nearly competent enough to do that, so I'd rather they not try and avoid fucking up.
Nao Sou Even though I really like Diaz as a villain I thought Cayden James would have been great to keep him as the main villain cause I like the idea of a villain that Oliver has to outthink rather than out fight in order to beat.
No Black siren can not beat Diaz. He is not Oliver if Diaz wants to kill her he will. If Oliver can stop Black siren from screaming then Diaz can too. Also doesn't matter how hard her scream is she isn't faster then a bullet and black sirens moves are not as good. Did anyone watch what she did last episode she only pushed the guys nothing else and she used her scream.
Mathieu DansLaLune they need to show his skill better but personally i feel like if she can beat dias hes a lot less intimidating......( just my personal feelings
This is ridiculous. Oliver shouldn't have stood a chance against Richard Dragon. Oliver should've lasted at least 3 seconds. Again, a bad comic potrayal of a DC character. So now we have 2 characters in this show, that really weak here but who are one of the best hand to hand fighters in the comics: Black Canary and Richard Dragon. It isn't even funny anymore. It's just straightup sad
Sa ad Oliver has fought two members of the league, Slade Wilson and Ra's the leader of the league but he should lose to a common figter like Diaz he isn't even his comic version
God damn it, I hate it when people talk shit about what they don't understand. THIS IS THE RICHARD DRAGON FROM THE COMICS, JUST A DIFFERENT VERSION. There is more than one Richard Dragon in the DC universe. There is the original one, the one from New Earth, who is one of the greatest martial artists in the world. Then there is the prime earth version, who is Ricardo Diaz, a crimelord with good fighting skills (but not the best) dc.wikia.com/wiki/Ricardo_Diaz,_Jr._(Prime_Earth)
Sa ad Come on, man. Everyone knows the GA comics are garbage even my cousin who is a fan of comics said the green arrow comics suck. CB fandoms are disgusting af.
Also Oliver let himself get caught, I don't think he was ever really out, in every other season if he got shocked with a taser it didn't knock him out or anything. It's either that or plot inconsistency.
Nobody tries to shoot Felicity she jumped in front of someone firing a gun if I'm remembering correctly Renee even said are you crazy when he shot her by accident. Another thing in the comments still bringing up the whole mad dog using an axe thing but we all know that Mad Dog cannot be Oliver in a one-on-one hand-to-hand fight so the only logical thing in a situation like that is to use a weapon. Before someone tries to make excuses if you were in a one-on-one and a half fight against a professional martial artist and you were just average Joe and you were getting your ass beat and someone gave you the option to hit them with a bat you would do it especially if this is not a competition or something that has rules. The whole causing bigger pain by messing with his hand thing well that I just got to say it's all about how far are you willing to go to get the job done in real life people have done far worse and to more people and still been called a hero. I've always been amazed how people make decisions based on what they see and not based on what's the meaning behind what they see. Example call Mad Dog grab the extra try to hit Oliver with it people song Mad Dog trying to get off withan axe they automatically assume that Mad Dog was wrong but did you even thing about why he was use a weapon in the first place. Because im betting if there was a staff, sword, baseball bat or any other weapon he would have grabbed any of them because it was not about killing oliver it was about him not being able to beat him without it. Google already made my point about Oliver letting Black Canary's boyfriend die it was true and it first happened people defended it was true when she said it and people still defended him and it was true when diggle said it and people still trying to defend it. It's just a fact that Oliver Queen does not value the life of people he believed to be a criminal the same way if you guys the life of people he believes it's innocent. He will put a criminal's life in danger and if they do. He will say it's their fault for being the criminal. This is the same thing that the police do to criminals in real life when they want them to flip on people who are higher up than they are in their organization in exchange for less of prison sentences or being threatened by telling them if they'll let their Associates another their friends with the cops. But apparently this is okay because it's their fault for being criminals. Human morality she exist on both sides just because once I relax it doesn't mean the other side to get rid of theirs.
Grim Jr. okay so what???? Wild Dog grabbed an axe because he couldn’t beat Oliver and Oliver had to fucking fight back because he had an AXE. Yes I am thinking about why wild dog did what he did but he was stupid for it. He knows Oliver is way above him in combat but continues to attack him even after Oliver told him to stand down. Rene gave him no other choice but to fight back.
Desti Katy I see your point but both of them were fighting for the same goal they just had two different viewpoints on that goal and that goal was to save the city Rene wasn't going to back down cuz that would mean that he was okay with failing the city😉 but seriously Oliver doesn't back down when he's fighting someone who might be too much for him because he has a reason to fight, the thing I just mentioned. And mainly my comment was just about all the hate that team arrow 2 was getting, but no one seemed to be able to see their side of things. People are talking as if team Arrow 2 had no reason to be upset about anything that happens and that they're totally at fault. Oliver did leave Black Canary's boyfriend high and dry and that's why he died multiple characters in the show stated it they stated in that episode. The Renee and Oliver fight yes Renee grab the ex that doesn't mean he can't be upset for being put in the Hospital. Let's say you Swan get somebody randomly on the street and they broke both your arms you're still going to be mad at the person for breaking both of your arms you'll know you probably deserved it but you're still going to be upset about it. And last but not least I straight forgot mr. Terrific name but if Oliver was willing to risk his life to save the city I'm pretty sure we can give mr. T the benefit of the doubt for causing diggle a little pain scratch that a lot of pain. I'm just saying there's no reason for all the hate without actually seeing both sides.
Grim Jr. I see your point but a lot of the fault does fall on the side of NTA. And at this point a lot of the people are just annoyed at the petty arguments. The fights were really over exaggerated and came out of nowhere (other than Rene) and the NTA members just became really unlikable any time they argued with OTA.
I can no longer watch a NTA scene without eye rolling, making John apologies is gross, I was rooting for Lance for like a good 5 seconds, I feel nothing Laurel (her ‘redemption’ has been bs, she’s done equally worse and she could easily kill him) and Felicity Smoak was really only in one ten second scene without dialogue???? No.
Ricardo cheated but in my opinion their fight was way to close he was beaten before and wasn't prepared plus he wasn't beaten if he was 100 percent he would of destroyed him but Oliver can never be 100 percent if he doesn't kill
MR BLIND WAVE PLEASE DONT WATCH THE PROMO FOR THE NEXT EPISODE, IT IS SPOILERY AS SHIT! IT'S AS BAD AS THE TIME THEY SPOILED THE BLACK SIREN TWIST BACK IN THE PROMO FOR SEASON 5 EPISODE 10!!! PLEASE DONT WATCH IT OKAY??!?!? :( :( :( :(
Because he doesn't want to kill Oliver or beat him. He wants to ruim his image and reputation both as Oliver Queen and as Green Arrow. He said so multiple times, killing Oliver/Green Arrow would just make him a martyr or a symbol. He had to be descontructed.
nah, diaz legit tried to *beat* oliver 1v1 but couldn't, that's why he pulled the knife. having him arrested was not his original plan either, it was an afterthought. the events of this entire episode was impromptu since diaz had no clue oliver would let himself be captured just to have a chance at getting anatoly to remember the man he used to be...
Poor Dina, she keeps getting teammates that freeze in battle, first Diggle (she covered for him for a long time), and now, Rene does the same. She will stop believing in a team and go solo like Oliver :P
Yeah I don’t get the being scared of dragon thing zoom is a thousand times worse these CW shows need to learn how to write their canaries better I mean black canary is one of DC’s top fighters
Am I a bad person for not caring about this show anymore? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate it, and I will (probably) keep watching it, but at this point, if it didn't get another season, I wouldn't mind at all. I don't know... it's just so much unnecessary drama and political intrigue going on... that's not what I, personally, want from my superhero shows. Maybe because it's what we're getting from the IRL news everyday and I just need... something else...
Funny thing is Oliver by himself was the only person that got close enough to Diaz. While all the rest of them together only manage to take out some trucks.
Fawzan Khan cuz Oliver knows that doing things right is better than doing the right thing for now
Yeah an the others are too dumb to see that. I hope oliver takes out the quadrant all by himself and make the others look dumb as fuck.
Or the fact that Oliver has a connection to one of Diaz's men
Or the fact that NTA is full of fucking idiots.
Or the fact that if they tried it, they would be dead since there would be no reason for Anatoly to take them to Diaz or Black Siren which is the only way in
Katie Cassidy and Paul Blackthorne are so good together
selw0nk I meant their acting LOL 😂
Solid episode imo. the Newbies and Diggle stuff was ehhh..i still kinda like Diggle cause i feel he has had valid points even though i think both his and the Newbies arguments against Oliver are half baked at best, Oliver imo has been pretty much on the right and when he has felt he he made a mistake, he apologized. the Newbies during the Civil War arc were handled just poorly imo, to the point where i just cant care for them much at all anymore. i actually felt the Lance/Black Siren and Oliver/Anatoly stuff was much stronger. i personally have bought Black Siren being affected by Quentin, she hesitated when she was ordered to kill Vigilante and seeing how ruthless Diaz can be last week did affect her, Lance has gotten to her. i think shes afraid of Diaz because unlike Zoom and Prometheus, she has seen firsthand how ruthless and unhinged Diaz can be and she scared for Quentin. i have always liked Oliver and Anatoly's relationship and i liked how that subplot was handled this episode. i liked the fight between Oliver and Diaz ( who i like cause i know there are people that dont, espeically after last weeks episode). im intrigued to see how Oliver now being on trial is gonna pan out.
also the Diggle Apology, i got why he apologized for the situation getting out of hand and i liked that he said he didnt like how the Newbies condoned themselves, the Newbies should have apologized aswell for casuing him harm atleast but nope, still being a bunch of self righteous noobs
Taimur Muggo This is a solid review of the episode, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts!
That knife stunt in their fight proves Diaz is nothing without his army around him. He is frightening in his methods but not as intimidating as Zoom or Prometheus. So, to me, Laurel's fear makes zero sense.
Sean Griffin she is afraid for queintein and she is not afraid of Diaz in a way that he will hurt her but she is disturbed by how crazy he is.
That makes sense. All aside, not the scariest villain she's joined.
Sean Griffin exactly why would they copy zoom That's stupid. Diaz in the comics is a very dangerous man. He cuts off Diggles arm which could still happen. All I want is Diaz to go on to season 7 as well. He is interesting and we need to know more.
The knife stunt is exactly why he's intimidating. No boundaries, will stop at nothing to win.
They almost tied in that fight too, Diaz wasn't easy for Oliver to beat.
Fun reaction guys!! It's sad that I don't feel any sympathy for Wild Dog. They really butchered his character. It's ironic that his memory of being shot this episode was because of Diggle lying to the team about his fitness for field work. Even more ironic, Oliver saved him. He doesn't even portray an iota of guilt or humility regarding his behavior.
Still, cool episode. Stephen Amell was great today in the few moments he was on the screen, with this really nuanced sense of burden with clarity. Even though everyone is blaming him like petulant children, including Anatoly LMAO, Oliver seems to thrive on it. Paul and Katie were great too. Still not sold on Diaz, although the power he's purchased in the city is intimidating.
Katie and Paul’s acting were the best part about this episode imo but it was good
Puff I agree
Diaz: You think you’re so tough just because you spent 5 years in hell?
Bane: You only adopted the dark. I was molded by it.
Lets be honest, Laurel could have easily killed ALL the men she's ever worked for with her scream. She didn't , in my opinion, because she often owed them for saving her life or breaking her out or something. She's a very loyal character, even when being psycho. She has the "honour" that Oliver was talking about that Diaz lacks. With Diaz, I think she's afraid of what he can do to people she cares about.
Rosannasfriend Not zoom
Yea, definitely not Zoom
if she kills him..he can't do anything to the people she "cares" about. And she could kill him in a second..if she wanted.
Black Siren does not really have honor. She switches back and forth between sides and would most definitely fight dirty. Nothing wrong with that though.
Diaz is one of those people that can scare you to your soul. Before she knew what he was capable of, she wasn't scared of him. She knew he had power and could get more of it
That Diaz vs Oliver fight was awesome I liked that Oliver won the fight but Diaz needed to cheat to win and I’m super hyped for next weeks episode
Oliver won, but not that easily. Diaz may win next time.
Inzaynmembrain97 Honestly its dumb
Malcom Merlyn, Slade, Ra's, Adrian....Diaz should stand no chance at this point. I know the comic version of Dragon is like the best h2h fighter alive but the show version isnt
Meelo He's still a good fighter though, I'd say Diaz and Prometheus are about equal in terms of fighting. And back then Oliver was actually prepared to fight all of those, where as he isn't prepared to fight Diaz here.
Rosannasfriend - you right that it was a close fight but not because diaz was a match for oliver but because oliver was *holding back.* his only mission by getting captured int he first place was to show anatoly the type of man he was working with was absolutely devoid of honor...
Don’t get me wrong I think Diaz is a skilled fighter, but realistically Oliver beats the shit out of him 10 times out of 10.
I am pretty sure that Oliver "lost" on purpose, since his goal was to get Anatoly to break with Diaz. I think Oliver has taken some of Diggle's criticism into consideration and is now doing things a little bit differently, though not the way Diggle had in mind. He asked Felicity to step back and focus on William so she wouldn't be both in the line of fire and in the know of Oliver's plans, so anyone following her wouldn't notice anything about Oliver. He is now getting Anatoly out, Laurel will probably fall out with Diaz when he eventually targets Quint for death, Diggle and the rejects are handling the thugs and gangsters, so Oliver will soon have a shot at Diaz at his most vulnerable, all he needs is for the court to finish its process until he is free to move and the showdown will be set. Essetially Oliver is getting everyone to work together, but on their own terms and without realizing their part of a plan rather than a team effort.
Oliver lost because Diaz cheated in the fight and he wanted to speak with anatoly and become friends again. Also Richard Dragon should win but the writers decided to make dragon a more calculated and strong crime lord villian. I like this version too.
I Am Prometheus You got to be kidding me. This is not Richard Dragon man. He's a good crime lord and a strategist who's mind for war is scary and pretty damn crafty but this is NO Richard Dragon. COME ON MAN!
Chris Hess it's not the comics Richard Dragon it's an adaptation. I also said the exact same thing as you did you not read my comment.
I Am Prometheus I'm just saying I have a Pretty hard time of seeing this guy as Richard Dragon at all. To me he's just Ricardo Diaz not Richard Dragon. To put it simply in my opinion this character is NO Richard Dragon. Also nice icon. I can appreciate a Prometheus fan.
Black Siren has a pattern of bowing down to weaker people. I feel like she just doesn't want to take responsibility for her actions.
I like how nerfed Oliver looks against Diaz. Season 1 Oliver would’ve demolish him.
The one thing that I thought of this episode was this: "In a city with known vigilantes, how come bad guys NEVER do a perimeter check to see of any good guys are watching close by?"
Anatoly is definitely changing sides. Oliver told him he didn't have honor and stayed with him because he thought he could be to him but he asked him to provehe's a man by fighting oliver fair. Then the camera cuts to anatoly after he takes a cheap shot. I thought that was brilliant of them to do.
Anatoly was never a terrible character, I mean, he isn't wrong. Oliver did kind of screw him over quite a bit. Anatoly's anger against Oliver was completely justified, albeit his methods of achieving his revenge were questionable.
Nao Sou I completely agree. He made anatoly lose his power. That was the only thing that rubbed me the wrong way with season 5. The way Oliver basically made anatoly lose everything after he decided not to use the bravta anymore
I can't wait for who's coming next week
It’s official Arron is going to be the green arrow next season
I really liked this one. Laurel is scared of Diaz because he got in her head and is empty you can't control his motivations. The same way people fear dictators its the structure around them and their cruelty that breaks people. Oliver didn't fight to kill so it made it a more even fight. Diaz is to Oliver as Bane is to Batman.
Decent episode, but seriously, why they keep moving the focus from Oliver? I dont wanna see the ridiculous b team and rene's drama.
Also, Laurel is afraid of Diaz? WHAT?
She literally can SCREAM and kill him in seconds.
I hate when they try to sell the main villain by making another pointing how dangerous he are.....
Spider Mano I think she is afraid of him for Quentin
He is though he enjoys the Suffering she might scream but if its not a Immediate kill her and Lance die Horrificly.
I think I have got the reasoning behind why new laurel says Diaz is the scariest man she ever met. I think it could be because of flashpoint zoom was right before the flashpoint event maybe it change that she never met zoom.
Soooo, no one is just going to acknowledge that dark Knight rises reference @ 12:54
It's the kind of help he needs from
Anotoly Kynasyiv.
I just love how the repoter never mentioned why is Oliver all bloody and beaten up. Also, did he go to hearing straight from Diaz or they never bothered to clean him up, so he's all bloody for days?
The Laurel Diaz thing I imagine Zoom wasn't as Brutal Where Diaz enjoys the Suffering.
Also as far as Lance goes at this Point he's Learned his Daughter and this Laurel had so much in Common difference was him. It's not that much of a Stretch to think of her as a Daughter.
Hey have you guys considered reacting to Lost in Space? It's the new series on Netflix and it would make for really great reactions! I just finished watching it and it was really good.
I just started watching it and thought the guys should react to it too
Did I miss where Dragon trained last episode?
Last episode was blocked due to copyright
Damn
It's gotta be said that my two favourite TV shows have the same actor in them. His portrayal of Ramsey in 12 Monkeys is phenomenal and I recommend you guys do a reaction on it. But Kirk Acevedo is a damn fine actor. His Diaz is a perfect villian to bring Arrow back to what made it a great show. I can't wait to see his presence ever resonating through the show like Adrian or Tommy. Seeing what's happening I thing that the alliances that are forming kinda give me the vibe that everything is going to go back to Team Arrow being a thing with Laurel and Oliver putting a strain on the Felicity and Oliver marriage, which does give them an out if they want to take it. I feel like the Outsiders are going to still be a thing because of new Team Arrow. John is going to stay with ARGUS and help out in anyways that he can. Lastly, Quentin will be the mayor still and have to deal with the carnage of everything Diaz brought down on the city in the season finale.
Oliver could destroy Diaz, but let's not forget that they had already tortured him before the "fair" fight.
Great reaction guys!
yeah i also don't get why Laurel is scared of Diaz.. Zoom was wayyy more scarier he could've killed her without her knowing lmao.
Yutz she scared for Quientin. And she was afraid of Zoom. Memories in killed Killer Frost and Revibe from Earth-2
+xavierxrc she could kill him in a second..if she wanted..so her being scared because she is afraid he would hurt lance..doesn't make a lot of sence..it's just bad writing..and them going overboard to prove how bad diaz is.
Clara Manyy You think that Diaz is the only person that she would have to kill, that's wrong. Diaz owns the city if he dies he would probably have whoever took him out kill the person who took him out and their family. It's like Mob drug cartel Life insurance that's why mob bosses stay around for years. And if that's the case she could with no collateral damage why doesn't Dinah Drake take out Diaz if it's that simple, the answer is because it's not that simple.
Oliver literally DESTROYED Deathstroke, Ra's Al Ghul, Damien Darhk... And Diaz, WEAK (Comparing him with these guys I talked about) kicked his ass so hard... WTF
You guys should've reacted to the promo for next week's episode. You would lose your fricking minds!!!
Lydia Cebreros they don’t watch promos because of spoilers
No I want them to be surprised when next week comes. Also there is a mystery girl.
Please may we have a reaction to the Arrow Recap Rap by The Warp Zone.
Can't believe you guys don't react to Gotham. That show is awesome.
Next Week: The trial of Oliver Queen!
Ending is insane and next week is gonna be insane avoid spoilers for next week's arrow. Avoid it at all means.
I dont buy that siren is afraid of diaz . She can END him in 4 seconds
Why does Renee's kid look like Kid Barry?
i would love to see you guys react to "krypton" ! It's a great show :D
Arrow has been so much better than the flash season
Nate Chalmers no
Barry Allen you have no say in this flash
Nate Chalmers yuup!
People are so stupid. Black Siren is afraid for Quentin, *not* for herself. She knows how ruthless Diaz is, and this is what makes her afraid of him. Why do you think she tried to force Quentin to sign the paper? As for Oliver, he easily could have killed Diaz but was holding back. I've seen some people in the comment say that Diaz should have wrecked Oliver in seconds, while others are saying that Oliver should have wrecked Diaz in seconds. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS PEOPLE! THESE WRITERS CANNOT WIN!!
Finish him Oliver!!!!!
What if Diaz is beaten by the end and goes on to the next season to ask Lady Shiva for help in beating Oliver. He also turns out to be a protege of Shiva who will be the next villain for season 7. That would be really cool because it's been awhile since we had a villain who truly is Oliver's combatant equal or superior. Lady Shiva would be the perfect choice plus it would be interesting to have a female as the main villain.
This Richard Dragon isn't the martial artist one from the comics. That is the Richard Dragon from New Earth.
They are using the Richard Dragon from Prime Earth, who is a crimelord called Ricardo Diaz.
dc.wikia.com/wiki/Ricardo_Diaz,_Jr._(Prime_Earth)
He has no connection to the Martial World and to figured like Lady Shiva. He is just a very disciplined and trained crimelord, not a world-class martial artist.
Also, they already ruined Ra's by allowing Oliver to beat him in a sword fight no less. If they put Lady Shiva in the show, she either kills Oliver because she is one of the greatest fighters in the DC Universe OR they ruin her character by powering her down so she can be beaten by Oliver.
Nao Sou Then have Oliver beat Shiva in a way that doesn't involve exactly combat so that way it doesn't seem like a they are powering down Shiva. And I agree they should have waited a later season to make Ras a main villain.
They should have made Oliver defeat Ra's through a bet or something like that and appeal to his sense of honor and the importance of his word as leader of the league. Having a guy who trained martial arts for 5 years defeat a centuries years old warrior who literally lives for fighting and killing and trains everyday in a direct combat was beyond stupid.
And you are right, if they were to put Shiva in the show, that is how they should do it, but based on the 6 seasons of arrow we have had so far, we both know the writers aren't nearly competent enough to do that, so I'd rather they not try and avoid fucking up.
Nao Sou Even though I really like Diaz as a villain I thought Cayden James would have been great to keep him as the main villain cause I like the idea of a villain that Oliver has to outthink rather than out fight in order to beat.
I liked Cayden too, even though I really hate the way the writers in CW approach "hacking" or any type of science really.
i dont think black siren would stand a chance against dias
Mathieu DansLaLune in reality, she would scream and he’d be dead but of course the arrow writers won’t allow that
black siren is just as powerful maybe a little more powerful then black canary and neither of them could take on oliver like ricardo did
No Black siren can not beat Diaz. He is not Oliver if Diaz wants to kill her he will. If Oliver can stop Black siren from screaming then Diaz can too. Also doesn't matter how hard her scream is she isn't faster then a bullet and black sirens moves are not as good. Did anyone watch what she did last episode she only pushed the guys nothing else and she used her scream.
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Mathieu DansLaLune they need to show his skill better but personally i feel like if she can beat dias hes a lot less intimidating......( just my personal feelings
This is ridiculous. Oliver shouldn't have stood a chance against Richard Dragon. Oliver should've lasted at least 3 seconds. Again, a bad comic potrayal of a DC character. So now we have 2 characters in this show, that really weak here but who are one of the best hand to hand fighters in the comics: Black Canary and Richard Dragon. It isn't even funny anymore. It's just straightup sad
Sa ad Oliver has fought two members of the league, Slade Wilson and Ra's the leader of the league but he should lose to a common figter like Diaz he isn't even his comic version
God damn it, I hate it when people talk shit about what they don't understand. THIS IS THE RICHARD DRAGON FROM THE COMICS, JUST A DIFFERENT VERSION.
There is more than one Richard Dragon in the DC universe.
There is the original one, the one from New Earth, who is one of the greatest martial artists in the world.
Then there is the prime earth version, who is Ricardo Diaz, a crimelord with good fighting skills (but not the best)
dc.wikia.com/wiki/Ricardo_Diaz,_Jr._(Prime_Earth)
Sa ad Bullshit! This Oliver Queen is the best fighter there is. Noone can beat him. Go back to your comic book!
Leslie Jones At least the comic books are good and the fandom isn't toxic ;)
Sa ad Come on, man. Everyone knows the GA comics are garbage even my cousin who is a fan of comics said the green arrow comics suck. CB fandoms are disgusting af.
Know I’m 3 years late but man that Jitters set is distracting lol
I think for most of their fight Oliver was trying to gauge Diaz, at the end Oliver got serious
Also Oliver let himself get caught, I don't think he was ever really out, in every other season if he got shocked with a taser it didn't knock him out or anything. It's either that or plot inconsistency.
Nobody tries to shoot Felicity she jumped in front of someone firing a gun if I'm remembering correctly Renee even said are you crazy when he shot her by accident. Another thing in the comments still bringing up the whole mad dog using an axe thing but we all know that Mad Dog cannot be Oliver in a one-on-one hand-to-hand fight so the only logical thing in a situation like that is to use a weapon. Before someone tries to make excuses if you were in a one-on-one and a half fight against a professional martial artist and you were just average Joe and you were getting your ass beat and someone gave you the option to hit them with a bat you would do it especially if this is not a competition or something that has rules. The whole causing bigger pain by messing with his hand thing well that I just got to say it's all about how far are you willing to go to get the job done in real life people have done far worse and to more people and still been called a hero. I've always been amazed how people make decisions based on what they see and not based on what's the meaning behind what they see. Example call Mad Dog grab the extra try to hit Oliver with it people song Mad Dog trying to get off withan axe they automatically assume that Mad Dog was wrong but did you even thing about why he was use a weapon in the first place. Because im betting if there was a staff, sword, baseball bat or any other weapon he would have grabbed any of them because it was not about killing oliver it was about him not being able to beat him without it. Google already made my point about Oliver letting Black Canary's boyfriend die it was true and it first happened people defended it was true when she said it and people still defended him and it was true when diggle said it and people still trying to defend it. It's just a fact that Oliver Queen does not value the life of people he believed to be a criminal the same way if you guys the life of people he believes it's innocent. He will put a criminal's life in danger and if they do. He will say it's their fault for being the criminal. This is the same thing that the police do to criminals in real life when they want them to flip on people who are higher up than they are in their organization in exchange for less of prison sentences or being threatened by telling them if they'll let their Associates another their friends with the cops. But apparently this is okay because it's their fault for being criminals. Human morality she exist on both sides just because once I relax it doesn't mean the other side to get rid of theirs.
Grim Jr.
mad dog would destroy Oliver. I think you are referring to Wild Dog. Two different characters.
Grim Jr. okay so what???? Wild Dog grabbed an axe because he couldn’t beat Oliver and Oliver had to fucking fight back because he had an AXE. Yes I am thinking about why wild dog did what he did but he was stupid for it. He knows Oliver is way above him in combat but continues to attack him even after Oliver told him to stand down. Rene gave him no other choice but to fight back.
Desti Katy I see your point but both of them were fighting for the same goal they just had two different viewpoints on that goal and that goal was to save the city Rene wasn't going to back down cuz that would mean that he was okay with failing the city😉 but seriously Oliver doesn't back down when he's fighting someone who might be too much for him because he has a reason to fight, the thing I just mentioned. And mainly my comment was just about all the hate that team arrow 2 was getting, but no one seemed to be able to see their side of things. People are talking as if team Arrow 2 had no reason to be upset about anything that happens and that they're totally at fault. Oliver did leave Black Canary's boyfriend high and dry and that's why he died multiple characters in the show stated it they stated in that episode. The Renee and Oliver fight yes Renee grab the ex that doesn't mean he can't be upset for being put in the Hospital. Let's say you Swan get somebody randomly on the street and they broke both your arms you're still going to be mad at the person for breaking both of your arms you'll know you probably deserved it but you're still going to be upset about it. And last but not least I straight forgot mr. Terrific name but if Oliver was willing to risk his life to save the city I'm pretty sure we can give mr. T the benefit of the doubt for causing diggle a little pain scratch that a lot of pain. I'm just saying there's no reason for all the hate without actually seeing both sides.
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Grim Jr. I see your point but a lot of the fault does fall on the side of NTA. And at this point a lot of the people are just annoyed at the petty arguments. The fights were really over exaggerated and came out of nowhere (other than Rene) and the NTA members just became really unlikable any time they argued with OTA.
Episodes 11, 15, 16, 18 have been the only good episodes this arc.
I can no longer watch a NTA scene without eye rolling, making John apologies is gross, I was rooting for Lance for like a good 5 seconds, I feel nothing Laurel (her ‘redemption’ has been bs, she’s done equally worse and she could easily kill him) and Felicity Smoak was really only in one ten second scene without dialogue???? No.
Flash AAAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Oliver beat Ra's and Slade but lost to Ricardo...
Ricardo cheated but in my opinion their fight was way to close he was beaten before and wasn't prepared plus he wasn't beaten if he was 100 percent he would of destroyed him but Oliver can never be 100 percent if he doesn't kill
MR BLIND WAVE PLEASE DONT WATCH THE PROMO FOR THE NEXT EPISODE, IT IS SPOILERY AS SHIT! IT'S AS BAD AS THE TIME THEY SPOILED THE BLACK SIREN TWIST BACK IN THE PROMO FOR SEASON 5 EPISODE 10!!! PLEASE DONT WATCH IT OKAY??!?!? :( :( :( :(
Northern Queen they don't watch any of the promos for the next episodes.
so instead of fairly beating oliver 1v1, diaz basically *calls the cops* on him...smh what kinda #thugglyfe is this...?? 🤦🏾 LIKE# 7
Because he doesn't want to kill Oliver or beat him. He wants to ruim his image and reputation both as Oliver Queen and as Green Arrow. He said so multiple times, killing Oliver/Green Arrow would just make him a martyr or a symbol. He had to be descontructed.
nah, diaz legit tried to *beat* oliver 1v1 but couldn't, that's why he pulled the knife. having him arrested was not his original plan either, it was an afterthought. the events of this entire episode was impromptu since diaz had no clue oliver would let himself be captured just to have a chance at getting anatoly to remember the man he used to be...
yaaaaaaaay!
A A A A A A AARON!!!!!!
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Poor Dina, she keeps getting teammates that freeze in battle, first Diggle (she covered for him for a long time), and now, Rene does the same. She will stop believing in a team and go solo like Oliver :P
hey blind wave why don't you react to ben 10
Oh boy this aged well
Everything wild dogs says and does annoys me, but nothing more then the one ear hat WTF IS THAT..
Yeah I don’t get the being scared of dragon thing zoom is a thousand times worse these CW shows need to learn how to write their canaries better I mean black canary is one of DC’s top fighters
She's afraid of what Diaz can do to people she cares about (Quentin).
What is with this Rouss Al Ghul bullshit this guy keeps saying for like years now. Dude, it's Ra's Al Ghul.
Iron man dies , R.I.P nebula
Am I a bad person for not caring about this show anymore? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate it, and I will (probably) keep watching it, but at this point, if it didn't get another season, I wouldn't mind at all. I don't know... it's just so much unnecessary drama and political intrigue going on... that's not what I, personally, want from my superhero shows. Maybe because it's what we're getting from the IRL news everyday and I just need... something else...
REACT TO THE VENOM TRAILER!!!!
LukaOG they already did
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