People don't do only gaming, you know. Multiples monitors, 20+ tab opened , sometimes more than 10 videos of youtube + one or MORE streams opened too. Maybe 20 more tab for stock marketing and management. Only games ? That's console or just for kidos. 😂
@@Paraclef this comment makes no sense; honestly look up how computers work in one of those 600 tabs CPU/RAM would be more important in your use case regardless
I wonder how the Asus Pro art series would have ended in this list. They are theorically better than anything that isnt Rog Strix, for cheaper than those. All in all they are still overpriced cause of the brand purely, but it'd be cool to know where you would have put it in the list. (its supposedly for designers yet I find it hard to find what makes it better for such)
I appreciate seeing the shoutouts to Tech Yes City and Hardware Unboxed. Both channels provide in-depth information that’s hard to find elsewhere and nice to see them getting some love.
Great, just make sure to bios update your motherboard before you put it in! You should be able to “q flash” the motherboard without needing to insert the CPU.
@@ollie6846 For my personal use looks like the B650 is just enought. The X870 version is sick, but also very expensive. I was looking for a cheap motherboard which is futureproof. Edit: Also depends on your build and buget.
@@ollie6846 For my personal use it is enought, yes the X870 is a sick Motherboard but expensive. For me I was looking for a cheap Motherboard which was futureproof. Depends on your build and buget.
ASRock has crazy value for the money boards 🔴 Fun fact: *ASRock was originally spun off from Asus in 2002 by a founding member to compete with companies like Foxconn for the commodity OEM market, but now it's competing against Asus themselves* 🤣
Nope, asrock still earn money for asus.. just for a research share patent.. take a look for budget asus component, that so weird.. but at these position, filled from asrock.. you see asrock, you see little asus..
Asrock haa clearly put in effort to become one of the best board makers, especially for value. Some people who have been in the space for a while may still hold negative opinions of them due to how it was around 2016 and earlier, but as of now they seem to have massively improved.
Specially for the price.. I would get an Asus mother board, but depending where you are from, its from 20 to even 100 bucks more for the exact same specs. At that point even if Asus is more reliable you are overpaying way too much for reliability.
asrock is the only brand out of all these that was created specifically to manufacture motherboards. this means that if there are issues with their bios or software they're more likely to fix it quickly than brands like gigabyte that sell all kinds of products (I know asrock sells other products now too but they started as a motherboard company). i've seen so many people having issues with motherboards on reddit and asrock just seemed to be the most reliable brand on the software and stability side from what i learned
@@hooroos0027 you would be surprised by how long it takes some of the other companies like gigabyte to roll out important fixes. asrock definitively seemed like they take care of this sort of issues quicker
@@hooroos0027you have no idea what you’re talking about. it’s much harder to maintain quality control if a single brand manufactures many different products, even if they have different divisions. just look at SK Hynix, they recently started a separate company (Klevv) with the specific goal to keep high quality control for their RAM. you simply couldn’t have been more wrong buddy
Been using asrock in multiple builds now. Always great in value and had no issues at all. They will continue to be my #1 recommendation because it just works well. No drama or issues have come out of them as long as I remember
As a ASRock Steel Legend WiFi B650E owner, I approve this message. It really is a fantastic board and I have absolutely ZERO reasons to upgrade to an X870E motherboard.
Hello, I'm from Brazil and I ended up "parachuting" onto your channel! What insane quality, you delve into technical data, connectivity, etc. For example, I'm building a new PC but I was finding it difficult to find motherboards with optical output, due to my headset... and this video cleared all my doubts and Plus I learned a lot! Congratulations on the channel! Hugs
Didnt see this vid until now, just ordered the Asrock B650m Pro RS WiFi for $140 after tax. Will be my first am5 build for 2025. Stoked to hear it’s decent! 🎉
I think their graph chart showing thermals wasn't quite what it should've shown. It should've been like... here's performance top-down, and then in red the temperatures. Since some boards performed mostly fine even when ridiculously hot. Idk about this tier list video, I think without knowing performance difference a tier list isn't to be taken seriously. You can't trust a board on features alone.
@@ardeof Spot on! TH-cam is full of copy paste information disguised by either game clips or tier lists and then plastered with affiliate links in the description.
seriously, your channel deserves at least a million subscribers. Based on your tier list, I bought the Gigabyte B650 Eagle AX for $220 CAD ($155 USD) for my new AM5 build
I’m from the EU, and I got the B650 Steel Legend over a month ago. It’s almost flawless-good connectivity, very stable, plenty of power for the CPU, and an awesome white look. The only minor issue I have is the crappy ASRock RGB software, but that’s about it. If you can get your hands on it, it’s a no-brainer.
Asrock b650m hdv/m.2 definitely A tier for its price/performance . It can even handle RAM tweaking/OCs just fine like those high priced mobos bcoz of dual channel memory layout. Im running 2x16gb ddr5 6000 cl30 kingston kit at 6400mts @cl 30 vsoc 1.295v . In my region i picked it up for 118$ few weeks back XD And reg the VRMs, the Asrock b650m hdv/m.2 has DrMosfets that are way efficient than those discrete mosfets. The msi pro b650s wifi has 12+2 power phase are not DrMosfets . Those are Doubled discrete mosfets which are not good compared to those DrMosfets that i mentioned earlier. Even the Msi b650 pro m-a has 55A power stages like Asrock b650m hdv/m.2 (50A). so ya MSI b650pro m-a goes a tier above the pro b650 m-s. Asrock b650 live mixer S tier for its price/features only drawback is its availability worldwide so the Asrock b6560m pg riptide is definitely A+ tier along with b650 pg lightning So Asrock b650m hdv/m.2 is A tier (extra point bcoz of amazing memory performance) Gigabyte b650 aorus series recent revisions has been reduced their pcb layers from 8 to 6 and low loss to mid loss pcbs . So ya they are not good as asrock series boards. Earlier revisions ya A+ tier but later revisions B+ tier .Msi b650 project zero has 10+2 DrMosfets unlike b650m gaming plus fake 10+2 discrete mosfets. They are not even close . its definitely B+ tier bcoz of its price Gigabyte b650 gaming x has 8+2 Dr mosfets it's B tier (bcoz of its Price) Again gigabyte b650 eagle ax and msi b650m -p wifi has descrete mosfets (B tier bcoz of features) Msi b650m pro -a is B tier Msi b650 pro -s is C tier
in Belgium, the Asrock b650m hdv/m.2 cost 127 euros or 140 usd, but i'm So going for this one. Here, the prices of equivalent motherboards is around 150 euros or more... So this video and your comment are very helpful, thanks !
Well done for providing valuable recommendation right upfront of the video! Rare and uncommon nowadays against "find out more later" kind of videos to get full views. Gentlemanly move sir!
I agree with you about the AliExpress motherboards because, in addition to my main PC that uses an ASRock X570 Pro4, I have a secondary PC that uses a Soyo B550M Monarch Dragon and a video editing PC that uses a Soyo B450M Classic. They work just fine.
@@Kkkkkk13456 Yeah, it's a pretty good board but the Soyo B550 Monarch Dragon costs less than $100CAD which makes it the better buy. I actually bought that exact same board from Canada Computers for $120CAD but then I saw the Soyo B450M Classic was $65CAD, I returned the B450M D3SH and bought TWO Soyo B450M Classics for about the same price. They work just fine and I actually used one in a build for my uncle.
I got the Gigabyte B650 Eagle Ax, it was the best option for me and it was cheaper than some of the lower tiers in this list. This video was helpful picking out an motherboard, really happy with my choice.
This came in at the perfect time. Just last night I was going through motherboards & eventually drove myself crazy! I want an ATX motherboard that has modern PCIe gen 4 or 5 (not sure how much of a difference it'll make), same with NVMe slots, works out of the box and doesn't break the bank. There's so many that I eventually gave up trying. And do people still care about having 2 x separate NVMe drives, 1 for OS & 1 for games? I thought I had it figured out, but then I kept finding new info, like certain NVMe's have their own cache & people prefer those for OS. So I gave up. Glad this video can finally help clear things up!
You missed what is probably ASUS's best b650 board here - the ProArt Creator. It's the _only_ b650 board that can run two GPUs both at x8, and has a 3rd slot too (although that shares lanes with one of the m.2 slots). Currently less than $200 at Microcenter. For anyone running VMs with a GPU passthrough two x8 slots are really useful.
You're my #1 source of pc info. Just built a pc about two weeks with the 7600x3d and 7900 gre and couldn't be happier, it's a beast! Thanks for all the help goat
The Steel Legend of Asrock are the best. I still have my Asrock B450M Steel Legend and its still works like new. This board is insane value at the time. I would love to get another Steel Legend from Asrock when I get my Ryzen 5 7500F. Unfortunately no Asrock Board exists in my County(South Africa). The 300-400-500 series boards did exist, but not 600 series boards. Asrock please, come to South Africa. I would buy 10 boards since its such good value for money. The only boards we have are Gigabyte and Asus.
Got my b650 Aorus elite AX for $90. At Microcenter in may of 2023. Everyone was panicking about the 7000 ryzens frying the motherboard because of the excessive SOC voltages. Mass returned b650 motherboards and Microcenter had so many that they pushed the price down to get rid of them. The thing was basically brand new and was like $230 at the time, got some decent 32GB ram for only $50 open box as well. Very happy with the upgrade and no issues whatsoever
Taichi really changed my mind from buying x870/e line, my only reason for considering 870 was because of usb 4. B650e taichi check all the box while having more premium feature/build(except wifi 7) compared to 870 boards at the same price range.
I LOVE these lists! Only request is that you try to do a little bit more ITX parts because it's really a growing segment and a lot of us are having a lot of issues finding info on ITX builds. Nice job!
ive got steel legend b450 since late 2019 and it's still working, amazing. Average lifespan for my mobos was 2 or 3 years, depending on warranty period.
Glad I bought the B650 Livemixer, I'm pairing it with 9600X and 7800XT and I'm building that PC for the first time this Sunday while following your guide man! 😁
I brought the ROG STRIX B650e-F for $150. At that price I had to buy it and this is my first build. Thanks you videos because it helps me to stay in b and up with this build.
Just rebuilt my pc last night with a 7800x3D on an ASRock B650E Steel Legend. I honestly didn't do too much research on it, but I saw the power phase and the Gen 5 PCIe/M.2 and picked it up for future-proofing (I was also already leaning towards ASRock based on general mobo recommendations). Seemed like a great deal for the price and it was available where I was going to get the 7800x3D. Glad I made a good choice!
I honestly was going to skip right over the video as I thought it was gonna be another tier list with no data or breakdowns but I was wrong. Video is great and I really like how in depth you go into each board even if they were low on the tier list! Glad I gave it a chance!
People crap on the ASUS B650M-A PRIME WIFI II all the time, but I have several builds with it combined with a monster 7950X/X3D and the VRMs run at a chilly 60C when overclocked after hours of stress test in a mini case with 3 silent fans. The non-II is the one with thermal issues.
That 60A, 80A etc. is actually PER phase. The phases are running at a less than 100% duty cycle for efficiency and thermal reasons (why m0ar phases = better all other things being equal). The socket is pulling around 200W/1.3V=153A total with say a 7950 or 9950x in it. Good list though. Sucks the asrock PG riptide is sold out.
I'm thinking of upgrading and I have the b450 steel legend and I was thinking about the project zero but after this video, now, I might have to remain in the Asrock family. thank you! great video!
i wish mainboard manufacturers would produce more mainboards with bluetooth (i know that mainboards with bluetooth have both bluetooth and wifi… there are just way more without them!)
Cheers, nice vid. What are those ASRock haters gonna say now: look at the top 5 boards: all ASRocks! Best overall board price to performance imho: the HDV/M.2. Cheap as chips and will run any 7000 and 9000 CPU's.
Just built my first AMD gaming rig. Always built intel previously. 7800x3d, 4090, x670e Asrock tachi, custom cooled, Evo rgb case. Might put the 9800x3d in it if its under $550 and i can sell my 7800x3d for atleast $400. If pricing on 5090 is correct, im staying with the 4090 for awhile. Yes i know its all overkill but its an enthusiast built that looks absolutely amazing. White build with purple fluid. I wish youtube allowed u to post pics in the comments. Crazy that i got a bundle at micro center for the cpu, ram, mb, and nvme for less than what the 7800x3d price has risen to in the last week.
Gigabyte B650 Gaming Ax and AX V2 have very good vrm thermals with 16 core load even though its 8+2 vrm design, it should be C tier, hardware unlocked showed them having max backside temp of 67c when running 7950x full load
I got the Strix B650E-F for my bro off ebay open box. It had no issues but some minor cosmetic wear. It was probably returned instantly and the guy got it off an amazon return auction and sold it forward. This was 2 years ago and it was essentially $200 USD before taxes. Great buy as I got him a quality board for essentially the price of the budget ones. Also got him a 7700x instead of a 7600x because the day I came home with the 7600x from Best Buy I see newegg had the 7700x on sale on ebay only for the same price. That was a quick buy and return.
The Gigabyte B650E Aorus Master would like a word please. Very similar to the Tachi. The B550 variant is good too. MSI made a nasty B550 board too, but I don't think they make a super high end 650 one. The issue I have with ALL B boards is PCI lanes. There is always a compromise. In the B550 boards, the high end ones had to reduce PCI slot 1 to 8x. I think the same is true here. For me, with sim racing equipment and VR dongles etc, there just are not enough PCI lanes in a B board.
VERY IMPORTANT!!!! One thing I'd like to mention regarding the Asrock LiveMixer vs PG Lightning debate is that the LiveMixer has only 2 SATA3 slots, which makes it a much worse candidate for most people, including myself, as I have more than 2 hard drives that use SATA3. The only thing holding me from getting the PG Lightning is its lack of native wifi, cause for like 20€ more I could get a motherboard with the same VRM and wifi included.
a week ago i picked up the Gigabyte B650 AORUS Elite AX V2 for $184.99 at Micro Center and i couldn't be happier. Especially enjoy having a Gen5 nvme slot and 3 nvme slots. I have it paired with a AMD Ryzen 5 7600X, g-skill 16g ram and a AMD Radeon 7900 XT.
very good job, i was searching best motherboards for amd 9900x and they was so many price-tags and specs that I was lost in space , until your video found me. at least now I can narraw the search.
As much as I like Gigabyte boards for their durability (also based from my usage experience), I'm amazed to see ASRock being the Steel Legend (pun intended) of B650 board makers on your tier list. Maybe I'll go for ASRock for my next AM5 build, partly due to curiosity because I haven't used their boards for a long time - since the days of their LGA 775 VIA boards.
One aspect what is not mentioned, that all Gigabyte and most ASRock boards can read XMP profile as well. Which means you can take advantage of a good deal on an XMP kit, if the opportunity arises.
The Microcenter AMD 7800x3d bundles include c tier boards but the prices are decently discounted. I paid $600 before tax for the 7800x3d, ASUS B650-A ROG, and G skill 32GB (2x16) DDR5 cas 32. The bundle is advertised for $650 typically. With the reduced price, the MoBo really isn’t that bad.
I picked up the MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI couple weeks ago. Wish I saw this video earlier. And yes, I got it here in the U.S. from new egg for $160 (USD).
Thank you for this, I was looking for B650M (I prefer Micro-ATX) that i need and I pick it through your tier list. Just ordered ASRock B650M PG Riptide, since the MSI MAG B650M Mortar is not available for me (Denmark). It's $145 so I'm excited for my coming build 😄 Gonna put Ryzen 7 7700 and RX 7900 XT in it 🥳
Fantastic video. I've been using the Asus ROG Strix B650E-F, and the performance has been great thus far. It's ALWAYS 'overpriced' but you truly do get what you pay for in design and on-board features. That said, I'm loving those top 5 Asrock boards. If I have to build another B650E rig, of if this Asus board craps out, I'll certainly consider one of thos as a proper replacement.
I don't mean any disrespect, but when I cannot sleep, I listen to your videos. You have helped me a lot. Secondly, would you consider reviewing lesser known mobo brands such as Colorful and Biostar?
"You're welcome" - that was the most effective "please click the like button" I have ever come across. And now a 7+ word comment and sub as well. I appreciate the non-hard sell lol.
In Canada right now the in stock micro value buy is the Asrock B650M Pro RS Wifi. Yes, it could do better on VRMS but it has great features everywhere else and is really the only good micro-ATX board under $200 CAD. After that they instantly jump $50 more to I believe the PG Riptide Wifi. That's $130 USD and then it jumps to $170 USD.
If your running a six core AM5 or X3D CPU you don't need anything more than a A620 Motherboard, I've run the 7800X3D on it and the VRM'S are fine and it supports EXPO.
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People don't do only gaming, you know. Multiples monitors, 20+ tab opened , sometimes more than 10 videos of youtube + one or MORE streams opened too. Maybe 20 more tab for stock marketing and management.
Only games ? That's console or just for kidos. 😂
@@Paraclef this comment makes no sense; honestly look up how computers work in one of those 600 tabs
CPU/RAM would be more important in your use case regardless
I want to make a itx pc. I bought a 7600 because is cold and efficiente. But i need a mobo. My case is a TT tower 100. Can you help me?
I wonder how the Asus Pro art series would have ended in this list. They are theorically better than anything that isnt Rog Strix, for cheaper than those.
All in all they are still overpriced cause of the brand purely, but it'd be cool to know where you would have put it in the list.
(its supposedly for designers yet I find it hard to find what makes it better for such)
I appreciate seeing the shoutouts to Tech Yes City and Hardware Unboxed. Both channels provide in-depth information that’s hard to find elsewhere and nice to see them getting some love.
timestamp for hu?
Just got the ASRock B650E Steel Legend for my 9800X3D, thanks for the ultimate B650 Tierlist. Truly dedication, keep it up man!❤
Great, just make sure to bios update your motherboard before you put it in! You should be able to “q flash” the motherboard without needing to insert the CPU.
Thanks for the info mate, I appreciate it!
can i ask why u got the b650 rather than x870? thanks im looking into a new mobo
@@ollie6846 For my personal use looks like the B650 is just enought. The X870 version is sick, but also very expensive. I was looking for a cheap motherboard which is futureproof.
Edit: Also depends on your build and buget.
@@ollie6846 For my personal use it is enought, yes the X870 is a sick Motherboard but expensive. For me I was looking for a cheap Motherboard which was futureproof.
Depends on your build and buget.
ASRock has crazy value for the money boards
🔴 Fun fact: *ASRock was originally spun off from Asus in 2002 by a founding member to compete with companies like Foxconn for the commodity OEM market, but now it's competing against Asus themselves* 🤣
Ironic...That Asrock manages to outdo even Asus, the once hegemon of the PC world.
Yeah they use high end components on every GPU as well
Nope, asrock still earn money for asus.. just for a research share patent.. take a look for budget asus component, that so weird.. but at these position, filled from asrock.. you see asrock, you see little asus..
Well I’m dumb I thought ASRock was a line made by Asus lol
That awkward moment when you see the motherboard you were planning to get being put on D tier
Damn same X AX
Just got the Taichi lite one ... man design + performance 10/10 🔥🔥🔥
Great choice
Personally love it. Sleek and not too big looking still plenty of room in my case
What is taichi lite is sane price as the regular taichi? I should get the taichi then right and not the lite ? Or they different ?
where can I get it now? Everywhere out of stock now😢
Picked up MSI-b650 tomahawk for $141 dollars in Japan, Akihabara today. Gotta love tax free electric town shopping.
Got mine for $170 on Amazon prime day and it's been great so far...No sales tax in my state, so there is that
The toimahawks always seem to be rocksolid picks.
@@Greenalex89 My last board was the b450 Tomahawk and I stuck with the series. That one is still running fine after almost 6 years.
so u imported it or someething?
Duty free shopping homie.
Asrock haa clearly put in effort to become one of the best board makers, especially for value. Some people who have been in the space for a while may still hold negative opinions of them due to how it was around 2016 and earlier, but as of now they seem to have massively improved.
I agree, they're better,
Specially for the price.. I would get an Asus mother board, but depending where you are from, its from 20 to even 100 bucks more for the exact same specs.
At that point even if Asus is more reliable you are overpaying way too much for reliability.
asrock is the only brand out of all these that was created specifically to manufacture motherboards. this means that if there are issues with their bios or software they're more likely to fix it quickly than brands like gigabyte that sell all kinds of products (I know asrock sells other products now too but they started as a motherboard company). i've seen so many people having issues with motherboards on reddit and asrock just seemed to be the most reliable brand on the software and stability side from what i learned
I am pretty sure that each company has their own divisions, not one group of people managing everything, but yes, asrock is a good brand.
@@hooroos0027 you would be surprised by how long it takes some of the other companies like gigabyte to roll out important fixes. asrock definitively seemed like they take care of this sort of issues quicker
@@hooroos0027you have no idea what you’re talking about. it’s much harder to maintain quality control if a single brand manufactures many different products, even if they have different divisions. just look at SK Hynix, they recently started a separate company (Klevv) with the specific goal to keep high quality control for their RAM. you simply couldn’t have been more wrong buddy
@@hooroos0027 WHAT HE SAID ^^ also look up why asus started asrock. it was specifically for quality control. just delete your comment rofl lmao
Been using asrock in multiple builds now. Always great in value and had no issues at all. They will continue to be my #1 recommendation because it just works well. No drama or issues have come out of them as long as I remember
As a ASRock Steel Legend WiFi B650E owner, I approve this message. It really is a fantastic board and I have absolutely ZERO reasons to upgrade to an X870E motherboard.
Hello, I'm from Brazil and I ended up "parachuting" onto your channel!
What insane quality, you delve into technical data, connectivity, etc. For example, I'm building a new PC but I was finding it difficult to find motherboards with optical output, due to my headset... and this video cleared all my doubts and Plus I learned a lot!
Congratulations on the channel! Hugs
Yooo you’re the goat I was trying to choose one
My pleasure! Thanks for watching.
What did you end up with?
Didnt see this vid until now, just ordered the Asrock B650m Pro RS WiFi for $140 after tax. Will be my first am5 build for 2025. Stoked to hear it’s decent! 🎉
After watching hardware unboxed’s video on b650 boards, I really wanted a simple yes or no type guide like this. Thank you scattervolt!!
I think their graph chart showing thermals wasn't quite what it should've shown. It should've been like... here's performance top-down, and then in red the temperatures. Since some boards performed mostly fine even when ridiculously hot. Idk about this tier list video, I think without knowing performance difference a tier list isn't to be taken seriously. You can't trust a board on features alone.
@@ardeof Spot on! TH-cam is full of copy paste information disguised by either game clips or tier lists and then plastered with affiliate links in the description.
seriously, your channel deserves at least a million subscribers. Based on your tier list, I bought the Gigabyte B650 Eagle AX for $220 CAD ($155 USD) for my new AM5 build
Asrock HDV/M.2 seems really good for budget am5 build. I'm gonna go with it with R5 7500F next time 😅
i got that with the rx 6700 xt
and 6000mhz cl30 ram
@@KiNGoNaTRoN ryzen 7 7700x 7800xt , 6000mhz cl34
7800x 3d here with that mobo. it runs perfectly
I’m from the EU, and I got the B650 Steel Legend over a month ago. It’s almost flawless-good connectivity, very stable, plenty of power for the CPU, and an awesome white look. The only minor issue I have is the crappy ASRock RGB software, but that’s about it. If you can get your hands on it, it’s a no-brainer.
You're lucky!
Been on a steel legend since 6 years with Ryzen 2700. Not a single problem yet.
Asrock b650m hdv/m.2 definitely A tier for its price/performance . It can even handle RAM tweaking/OCs just fine like those high priced mobos bcoz of dual channel memory layout. Im running 2x16gb ddr5 6000 cl30 kingston kit at 6400mts @cl 30 vsoc 1.295v . In my region i picked it up for 118$ few weeks back XD
And reg the VRMs, the Asrock b650m hdv/m.2 has DrMosfets that are way efficient than those discrete mosfets. The msi pro b650s wifi has 12+2 power phase are not DrMosfets . Those are Doubled discrete mosfets which are not good compared to those DrMosfets that i mentioned earlier. Even the Msi b650 pro m-a has 55A power stages like Asrock b650m hdv/m.2 (50A). so ya MSI b650pro m-a goes a tier above the pro b650 m-s.
Asrock b650 live mixer S tier for its price/features only drawback is its availability worldwide
so the Asrock b6560m pg riptide is definitely A+ tier along with b650 pg lightning
So Asrock b650m hdv/m.2 is A tier (extra point bcoz of amazing memory performance)
Gigabyte b650 aorus series recent revisions has been reduced their pcb layers from 8 to 6 and low loss to mid loss pcbs . So ya they are not good as asrock series boards. Earlier revisions ya A+ tier but later revisions B+ tier .Msi b650 project zero has 10+2 DrMosfets unlike b650m gaming plus fake 10+2 discrete mosfets. They are not even close . its definitely B+ tier bcoz of its price
Gigabyte b650 gaming x has 8+2 Dr mosfets it's B tier (bcoz of its Price)
Again gigabyte b650 eagle ax and msi b650m -p wifi has descrete mosfets (B tier bcoz of features)
Msi b650m pro -a is B tier
Msi b650 pro -s is C tier
in Belgium, the Asrock b650m hdv/m.2 cost 127 euros or 140 usd, but i'm So going for this one. Here, the prices of equivalent motherboards is around 150 euros or more... So this video and your comment are very helpful, thanks !
@@Badbab1 Glad it's helpful XD
Between asrock b650m pro rs wifi and msi pro b650-p, which one would you get?
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@@vicente3k if it's not 650m-p and costs below 160$ then msi or else asrock
Well done for providing valuable recommendation right upfront of the video! Rare and uncommon nowadays against "find out more later" kind of videos to get full views.
Gentlemanly move sir!
I try! Thank you!
I've pretty much stopped using ATX and now just use MATX. I'm pretty happy with the Asrock PG Riptide B650M
This came in right on time. Just got in my 7500F and was overwhelmed looking at all thr Mobo options
I got b650E taichi for 290 euro which was at the time 60-80 less euro than taichi lite!!
It's such a beast of a mobo and so beautiful
Great aesthetics as well on that mobo, is it EATX or ATX ?
I agree with you about the AliExpress motherboards because, in addition to my main PC that uses an ASRock X570 Pro4, I have a secondary PC that uses a Soyo B550M Monarch Dragon and a video editing PC that uses a Soyo B450M Classic.
They work just fine.
Agreed, they just need more mainstream coverage
Bro i bought a
New Gigabyte GA-B450M DS3H V2 For AMD AM4 Ryzen, from aliexpress and i have waited 3 weeks and it didn,t came yet, but is it good
@@Kkkkkk13456 Yeah, it's a pretty good board but the Soyo B550 Monarch Dragon costs less than $100CAD which makes it the better buy. I actually bought that exact same board from Canada Computers for $120CAD but then I saw the Soyo B450M Classic was $65CAD, I returned the B450M D3SH and bought TWO Soyo B450M Classics for about the same price. They work just fine and I actually used one in a build for my uncle.
Asrock is goated this generation of motherboards
I got an Asrock B650 Steel legend Wifi AND a 7800X3D just a few weeks ago. I'm totally satisfied with the purchase.
Any issues with steel legend or cpu ? How much were they? And what gpu and ram ?
got this one as well (183 euro germany). planning for a 9800x3d build.
I got the Gigabyte B650 Eagle Ax, it was the best option for me and it was cheaper than some of the lower tiers in this list. This video was helpful picking out an motherboard, really happy with my choice.
B650 eagle ax is pretty nice for $140 right now
Was thinking about getting an MSI mag tomahawk and definitely will now
Did a build with the Asrock B650E Steel Legend WiFi on a Ryzen 7500F and a RX6800. Running excellent
im building the same but with the 4070 Super when it gets discounted on Black friday
❤Thanks!
Thank you!
I've been trying to decide on a motherboard for my AM5 CPU, and this video is a blessing!
My pleasure!
This came in at the perfect time. Just last night I was going through motherboards & eventually drove myself crazy!
I want an ATX motherboard that has modern PCIe gen 4 or 5 (not sure how much of a difference it'll make), same with NVMe slots, works out of the box and doesn't break the bank.
There's so many that I eventually gave up trying. And do people still care about having 2 x separate NVMe drives, 1 for OS & 1 for games? I thought I had it figured out, but then I kept finding new info, like certain NVMe's have their own cache & people prefer those for OS.
So I gave up. Glad this video can finally help clear things up!
You missed what is probably ASUS's best b650 board here - the ProArt Creator. It's the _only_ b650 board that can run two GPUs both at x8, and has a 3rd slot too (although that shares lanes with one of the m.2 slots). Currently less than $200 at Microcenter. For anyone running VMs with a GPU passthrough two x8 slots are really useful.
You're my #1 source of pc info. Just built a pc about two weeks with the 7600x3d and 7900 gre and couldn't be happier, it's a beast! Thanks for all the help goat
The Steel Legend of Asrock are the best. I still have my Asrock B450M Steel Legend and its still works like new. This board is insane value at the time. I would love to get another Steel Legend from Asrock when I get my Ryzen 5 7500F. Unfortunately no Asrock Board exists in my County(South Africa). The 300-400-500 series boards did exist, but not 600 series boards. Asrock please, come to South Africa. I would buy 10 boards since its such good value for money. The only boards we have are Gigabyte and Asus.
Got my b650 Aorus elite AX for $90. At Microcenter in may of 2023. Everyone was panicking about the 7000 ryzens frying the motherboard because of the excessive SOC voltages.
Mass returned b650 motherboards and Microcenter had so many that they pushed the price down to get rid of them. The thing was basically brand new and was like $230 at the time, got some decent 32GB ram for only $50 open box as well. Very happy with the upgrade and no issues whatsoever
Taichi really changed my mind from buying x870/e line, my only reason for considering 870 was because of usb 4. B650e taichi check all the box while having more premium feature/build(except wifi 7) compared to 870 boards at the same price range.
Built Asrock B650m RipTide with 7500f and RTX3060 TI. No complaints so far.
I LOVE these lists! Only request is that you try to do a little bit more ITX parts because it's really a growing segment and a lot of us are having a lot of issues finding info on ITX builds. Nice job!
ive got steel legend b450 since late 2019 and it's still working, amazing. Average lifespan for my mobos was 2 or 3 years, depending on warranty period.
I appreciate you actually took additional time to make this video, some people rush vids like theses and don't give enough data or false data.
Glad I bought the B650 Livemixer, I'm pairing it with 9600X and 7800XT and I'm building that PC for the first time this Sunday while following your guide man! 😁
I brought the ROG STRIX B650e-F for $150. At that price I had to buy it and this is my first build. Thanks you videos because it helps me to stay in b and up with this build.
Just rebuilt my pc last night with a 7800x3D on an ASRock B650E Steel Legend. I honestly didn't do too much research on it, but I saw the power phase and the Gen 5 PCIe/M.2 and picked it up for future-proofing (I was also already leaning towards ASRock based on general mobo recommendations). Seemed like a great deal for the price and it was available where I was going to get the 7800x3D. Glad I made a good choice!
I honestly was going to skip right over the video as I thought it was gonna be another tier list with no data or breakdowns but I was wrong. Video is great and I really like how in depth you go into each board even if they were low on the tier list! Glad I gave it a chance!
People crap on the ASUS B650M-A PRIME WIFI II all the time, but I have several builds with it combined with a monster 7950X/X3D and the VRMs run at a chilly 60C when overclocked after hours of stress test in a mini case with 3 silent fans. The non-II is the one with thermal issues.
That 60A, 80A etc. is actually PER phase. The phases are running at a less than 100% duty cycle for efficiency and thermal reasons (why m0ar phases = better all other things being equal). The socket is pulling around 200W/1.3V=153A total with say a 7950 or 9950x in it. Good list though. Sucks the asrock PG riptide is sold out.
I'm thinking of upgrading and I have the b450 steel legend and I was thinking about the project zero but after this video, now, I might have to remain in the Asrock family. thank you! great video!
Can you please do an Intel one 🥺 kinda losing my mind on how many options there are 😭 also you've earned a sub!
Check my most recent video. That'd be handy.
I bought ASRock Riptige B650E (I'm going with black build for my PC), for 150$, can't be happier about this deal. ASRock really nailed it.
i wish mainboard manufacturers would produce more mainboards with bluetooth
(i know that mainboards with bluetooth have both bluetooth and wifi… there are just way more without them!)
If a motherboard comes with built in WiFi, then it typically has built in Bluetooth
why choose one when you can have both.
any motherboard with "wifi" in it's name has both dude
Mb with wifi are more expensive, and at that point someone will complain why they don't make mb cheaper without wifi
Awesome effort in putting together this tier list! One thing to note that may affect one's decision is the M.2 lane sharing with the PCI-E X16 slot?
oh jesus, thank God for your video. I had a really bad time researching which b650 to get on my own. You helped me tremendously.
the exact video i needed to put my new 7700xt on:) thank you sir!
Cheers, nice vid. What are those ASRock haters gonna say now: look at the top 5 boards: all ASRocks! Best overall board price to performance imho: the HDV/M.2. Cheap as chips and will run any 7000 and 9000 CPU's.
It really doesn't help that the tomahawk doesn't have a pci 5.0 m.2 slot, otherwise it could be slightly higher.
Just built my first AMD gaming rig. Always built intel previously. 7800x3d, 4090, x670e Asrock tachi, custom cooled, Evo rgb case. Might put the 9800x3d in it if its under $550 and i can sell my 7800x3d for atleast $400. If pricing on 5090 is correct, im staying with the 4090 for awhile. Yes i know its all overkill but its an enthusiast built that looks absolutely amazing. White build with purple fluid. I wish youtube allowed u to post pics in the comments. Crazy that i got a bundle at micro center for the cpu, ram, mb, and nvme for less than what the 7800x3d price has risen to in the last week.
Great video. Maybe a X870 tier list video would be awesome ❤
Great video; one suggestion, in the video description, categorize the MB the same as the video. It will be helpful to figure out which ones to buy
I don't want to spoil my rankings from the video already in the description lol
ASRock B650E Taichi Lite is almost 400 usd here in Sweden. B650 Steel Legend WIFI is like 270.
Gigabyte B650 Gaming Ax and AX V2 have very good vrm thermals with 16 core load even though its 8+2 vrm design, it should be C tier, hardware unlocked showed them having max backside temp of 67c when running 7950x full load
I got the MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WiFi recently, paired with Ryzen 5 7600, and 7800 XT for 1440p gaming.
Excellent
@@ScatterVolt Thanks!
I got the Strix B650E-F for my bro off ebay open box. It had no issues but some minor cosmetic wear. It was probably returned instantly and the guy got it off an amazon return auction and sold it forward. This was 2 years ago and it was essentially $200 USD before taxes. Great buy as I got him a quality board for essentially the price of the budget ones. Also got him a 7700x instead of a 7600x because the day I came home with the 7600x from Best Buy I see newegg had the 7700x on sale on ebay only for the same price. That was a quick buy and return.
Coppped the b650 Aero G today for 220 CAD (approx. 150 USD) seems like an insane board for the price!
The Gigabyte B650E Aorus Master would like a word please. Very similar to the Tachi. The B550 variant is good too. MSI made a nasty B550 board too, but I don't think they make a super high end 650 one. The issue I have with ALL B boards is PCI lanes. There is always a compromise. In the B550 boards, the high end ones had to reduce PCI slot 1 to 8x. I think the same is true here. For me, with sim racing equipment and VR dongles etc, there just are not enough PCI lanes in a B board.
just got me an msi b650 carbon wifi for a pretty good price of 250cad, quite excited for it to arrive. great video, very informative :)
Neat
Very happy with Asrock B650 Steel Legend Wifi for 183 EUR in Germany.
Planning to get 9800X3D for it.
What CPU cooler are you getting?
@sojubomb1930 arctic liquid freezer III 360.
@sojubomb1930 arctic liquid freezer III 360.
VERY IMPORTANT!!!!
One thing I'd like to mention regarding the Asrock LiveMixer vs PG Lightning debate is that the LiveMixer has only 2 SATA3 slots, which makes it a much worse candidate for most people, including myself, as I have more than 2 hard drives that use SATA3.
The only thing holding me from getting the PG Lightning is its lack of native wifi, cause for like 20€ more I could get a motherboard with the same VRM and wifi included.
Great video, I checked and even for high intensity video editing no more than 8 cores seems to be the recommended amount needed.
Would like to see tier lists for non gaming PC’s. For people that do audio production, video production, coding and work like that.
a week ago i picked up the Gigabyte B650 AORUS Elite AX V2 for $184.99 at Micro Center and i couldn't be happier. Especially enjoy having a Gen5 nvme slot and 3 nvme slots. I have it paired with a AMD Ryzen 5 7600X, g-skill 16g ram and a AMD Radeon 7900 XT.
Neat.
Would you mind subscribing to my channel? I’m almost at 500,000 subs!
Built a new PC this month. Just saw your channel. Pretty happy to see that every single component I picked is S-tier. Call it intuition lol I dunno.
I myself have an Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus Motherboard, i got it in August for around 160€ (~175$ at that time) and i'm really happy with it :)
Thanks so much for this !!
My pleasure
very good job, i was searching best motherboards for amd 9900x and they was so many price-tags and specs that I was lost in space , until your video found me. at least now I can narraw the search.
Objective approach, thank you. Liked it.
Thank you for watching!
@@ScatterVolt you are welcome. peace from Indonesia
As much as I like Gigabyte boards for their durability (also based from my usage experience), I'm amazed to see ASRock being the Steel Legend (pun intended) of B650 board makers on your tier list. Maybe I'll go for ASRock for my next AM5 build, partly due to curiosity because I haven't used their boards for a long time - since the days of their LGA 775 VIA boards.
Lucked out, doing a blackout no rgb build and found an open box Asrock PG B650 Lightning for $109. Perfect.
Best tier list... solve my Questions about AM5
One aspect what is not mentioned, that all Gigabyte and most ASRock boards can read XMP profile as well. Which means you can take advantage of a good deal on an XMP kit, if the opportunity arises.
Love your tier list series!!! As a newbie to pc building these are incredibly informative. Please continue making these.
The Microcenter AMD 7800x3d bundles include c tier boards but the prices are decently discounted. I paid $600 before tax for the 7800x3d, ASUS B650-A ROG, and G skill 32GB (2x16) DDR5 cas 32. The bundle is advertised for $650 typically. With the reduced price, the MoBo really isn’t that bad.
You are so underrated man...
I really wanted this video for soooo long... thanks for this
My pleasure
I picked up the MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI couple weeks ago. Wish I saw this video earlier. And yes, I got it here in the U.S. from new egg for $160 (USD).
Thank you for this, I was looking for B650M (I prefer Micro-ATX) that i need and I pick it through your tier list. Just ordered ASRock B650M PG Riptide, since the MSI MAG B650M Mortar is not available for me (Denmark). It's $145 so I'm excited for my coming build 😄 Gonna put Ryzen 7 7700 and RX 7900 XT in it 🥳
Just bought a asrock b650 steel legend, so happy.
I wanted Asrock Steel Legend but no stock, when I had the money so I got the MSI tomahawk, so happy with my choice is a really good board.
I love your tier ranking videos with this one being my favorite (so far).
Please more.
I didn't even know there was this many variations of motherboards for the same model.
Really useful information Scattervolt ⚡ 👍
Appreciate the hard work you put in ranking all these motherboards. Great video.
What motherboard would be the best to pair with a Ryzen 7600x and Rx 7800 XT?
Appreciate your effort put into this tho!!
perfect timing 2 days ago i was deciding about which mobo to take for my little brothers 1000 build and this video pops out almost like a sign XD
Amazing
Fantastic video. I've been using the Asus ROG Strix B650E-F, and the performance has been great thus far.
It's ALWAYS 'overpriced' but you truly do get what you pay for in design and on-board features.
That said, I'm loving those top 5 Asrock boards. If I have to build another B650E rig, of if this Asus board craps out, I'll certainly consider one of thos as a proper replacement.
ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI The Best, Forgotten Weird! The VRM power stage is composed of 16+2 phases
i really like the explanation for noobs and intermediate people which is me keep it up
Your tierlist videos are some of my favourite on TH-cam. Yeah I'm a nerd, but so are you guys hehe :D
I don't mean any disrespect, but when I cannot sleep, I listen to your videos. You have helped me a lot. Secondly, would you consider reviewing lesser known mobo brands such as Colorful and Biostar?
"You're welcome" - that was the most effective "please click the like button" I have ever come across. And now a 7+ word comment and sub as well. I appreciate the non-hard sell lol.
Haha
In Canada right now the in stock micro value buy is the Asrock B650M Pro RS Wifi. Yes, it could do better on VRMS but it has great features everywhere else and is really the only good micro-ATX board under $200 CAD. After that they instantly jump $50 more to I believe the PG Riptide Wifi. That's $130 USD and then it jumps to $170 USD.
If your running a six core AM5 or X3D CPU you don't need anything more than a A620 Motherboard, I've run the 7800X3D on it and the VRM'S are fine and it supports EXPO.