You can SEE the change in Cain when she hears of the Viper and Raptor launch. Up until that point, it seemed as if she was barely paying attention to Adama - just deflecting a junior officer's complaints. Once the ships launch, she realises what's actually happening... and starts to turn nasty. Nicely acted.
She's also worried, she knows Adama and the Galactica.... She's all too aware of the consequences of a head on conflict with them. Pegasus will prevail, but not without heavy losses to her. She's still looking for an alternative in her mind...... but no "She has no choice" Backing down is not an option to her. Even though at the back of her mind she's still contemplates it, even if only briefly! THAT'S WHY I LOVE THAT SCENE!
Theonlynamenoonehas She has no choice but to back down. She's the 'Hitler' of the Colonial Fleet. Adama and the Galactica are family, and those ties that binded them together would overthrow anything Cain would bring to bear.
She's a typical narcissist. When others stand up to them, they tend to dig their heels in but in the end shows their true colours, and exposes their weaknesses. Adama with his long experience would know how to exploit her weaknesses
Tom Pickard Thanks. I did say Narcissist, which she is. Only one of those would even dream of condemning innocents to death to support her insane military way of thinking
"Admiral, this will spiral out of control fast…" If there ever was a quote to perfectly summarize a scene, this is the one. IMHO the best scene in the whole series. Acting, camera work, music, literally everything was top notch.
Ahhh when Fisk was a competent and nice officer actually even siding with Adama before the writers decided to turn him into an expendable corrupt asshole overnight
@@sparrowlt I agree, mabe budgetary? Maybe time restraints, and needed to get the character out of the way. But still, I kinda liked Fisk, even though I had no probem with him being corrupt
@@savagex466-qt1io a well written one compared to Mary Sues we have nowadays. Starbucks is another great female role. Wish they made series like these nowadays. So many great series in the 00s.
Michelle Forbes did sch a great job with the few episodes she had as Cain. The way she welcomes a 70+ convoy of ships back to the colonial fleet. Signifying that she believes the fleet to be wherever she is. The double take she does when introduced to Roslin. And 'I don't take orders from you'
+Tom Oosterbroek Yep, that part kind pissed me off, too, but _technically_ she's actually right, sort of. Being the highest-ranking surviving flag officer, the "fleet" actually is where ever her command is.
***** Yes, as she is a flag officer it is her right to transfer her flag to whatever ship she desires and declare them as her fleet. That is how the military works sine you obviously don't know.
***** The fleet is wherever the flag officer or highest ranking officer is located. The colonial fleet is located during Pegasus with Admiral Cain and the BSP. She is correct when she says he is back in the colonial fleet as he is now back under her command, i.e. the fleet commanders command. There is one colonial fleet, and since Adama and Galactica are considered dead up until that point they are not in the fleet, they return to the fleet once they are confirmed alive.
@@jimliu2560and even during the time of war, the ranking officers still have to listen to the commander in chief, aka Roslin, which Cain didn't Edit: also she had a unprofessional relationship with the 6 onboard
@@shepherdlavellen3301 Roslin agreed to only have authority over “non-military” matters….ie on civilians…. The commanders (Adama) have full control over military personnel/ matters… Caine has a different ideology, in her mind, the civilian authority was destroyed….that is why she was just in destroying/ stripping her civilian fleet. (The Pegasus had an civilian fleet before.). Therefore Roslin is Not her president….
@@jimliu2560I think morals matter more here than regulations if Cain uses it as a blunt instrument to sentence men to death at a drumhead trial. What are they being sentenced to death for by the way? The involuntary manslaughter of one guy actively committing sexual assault who by default deserved his demise. It was a sentence imposed out of spite for Tyrol and Helo not being psychopaths because Cain’s an awful person who removed her own soul. Adama is doing nothing wrong.
@@UnendedGalaxy The Cylons nuked all 13 human planets, killing billions…… The officer was ordered by Cain to get intel from a cylon prisoner….in a time of war… Again, under Martial law, the Ranking Military officer has ultimate authority over court-martial decisions.. Adama is a Traitor for attacking a fellow, Superior, Colonial battlestar… …especially in a time of War….and too soon after the destruction of the colonies…. As a commander….Adana’s Really only ultimate job was to protect the Colonies…..
This shows how much of a family Galactica is compared to the Pegasus crew. Adama is like a protective dad. Cally's "Oh shit!" expression at his order of the Raptor sums it up. Even, Even Colonel Tigh is geninuely upset Tyrol and Helo are about to executed. Yet everyone on Galactica goes along with Adama happily, yet Cain's CIC staff look terrified.
+Aaron Brudenell bet most of them were happy she died. she ruled thought fear and a little respect for certain people. but adama crew is thought pure respect and loyalty. people in adama crew have taking bullets for him. not sure anyone but maybe shaw would for cain
Admiral Cain has made a hierarchy of fear in her ship where the commanding officer has the power to heavily punish those lower down on the tree whereas Adama has made a system where violence is condemned not with more violence but with friendship and comradery.
in the extended version of 'Pegasus', Adama notes that Cain was 'very well connected' and that she was 'promoted over half the Commander's on the list'. This implies that Cain's promotion to Admiral may not have been merit-based, but instead may have been due to Cain's politicial connections. One fact on Cain's leadership remains however: the Pegasus survived post Cylon attack, thanks in part to her tough approach. Lloyd Bridges Commander Cain mirrors this when he says to Adama in the classic BSG that his crew's has survived without help from anyone, hence the right to determine their fate.
She actually was very upset when she first got on set and RDM made a Trek reference, as she had spent the intervening years trying to get her non-SF career going, with mixed results.
As a counterpoint to when Tyrol and Helo are being shipped off to Pegasus with the most "You are utterly doomed" martial music I've ever heard. You can disparage Adama, call him weak, dismiss his arguments, but you threaten his men and he will wreak holy hell upon you. And that's what makes his crew loyal to him - they know he's on their side.
I loved this entire series... And it can all be summed up in one quote: "Its not about Surviving. Its about being Worthy of Survival"... I think that is something everyone can bare in mind even today...
Worthy according to who? The only real judge is nature, and nature is an indifferent cold-hearted bitch. Survival is achieved by beating her into submission.
Imagine the call from Cally's perspective perspective: *picks up* "Adama." "Over? When did it start?" "I want a Marine strike team in a Raptor in 5 minutes. Prepare to launch alert fighters." *hangs up*
It's bad, it's REAL bad, but Adama is going to the mat for you. To paraphrase a line from Dune - "That kind of behavior would engender fanatic loyalty."
This is one of those perfect moments in television. The entire episode leading up to it was absolutely perfect, with the foreshadowing, the mounting tension, and eventually the point at which Adama finally refused to be crossed. The episode went from the elation to finding a surviving human ship, to this point, where, for just cause, they are now prepared to do battle with each other.
I remember watching it live. Even with my little tradition, I called "Battlescotch Galactica," I still can't explain my inherent need to throw a brick through my TV when "To Be Continued" appeared. The only time before or after a show has elicited THAT kind of response. If Adama had somehow turned to me and told me to report to action stations, i would have been halfway to the launch bay before realizing it was still a TV show.
One of the, if not THE best scene, from the entire series. Everything is right here, the acting, the directing, and oh that music! Love it, thanx for sharing:)
These 2 mins and 50 secs were the zenith of the greatest TV series ever made. So good, you could forgive the flagging tail end of series 3, and the Starbuck/Angel stuff at the very end
Imagine what those Marines in that raptor are saying at this moment. Marine:" So I really hope he isn't expecting us to succeed because our squad versus the whole Pegasus crew is going to go so well." Marine 2: "I didn't even get my enlistment bonus." Marine 3: "Wait you got an enlistment bonus?! How the frack did you get that?!"
I get that they are just supposed to be guards escorting prisoners, but jesus. What if Cain marched down to the hanger with a squad of marines behind her, and asked them with her arms crossed if they are going to disobey her direct orders and try to shoot their way through the Pegasus over two men?
Marine 1: Going on a suicide mission?! Frak yeah! Marine 2: Another glorious gods damn day to be a Marine!! Marine 3: I brought the ripped fuel and crayons bros!!
On board the Raptor: Marine 1: The Old Man is sending us to get our people back. We don't stop until they are back home. Marine 2: The Old Man would do the same for us! Hoo-rah! All Marines: HOO-RAH!
This scene would have to be one of the best pieces of dialogue in the series and clearly shows the differences between the two commanders. As hinted earlier in the episode, Cain's promotion to Admiral seems to be more because of her political connections rather than ability.She is an absolute 'hard-arse', a stickler for the rules, ruthless and without compassion. She had made tough decisions, at the cost of her humanity. That would account for her crew's survival, but, her leadership style is flawed because people respect her more for her rank (and perhaps out of fear seeing she shot her XO) than abilities. Adama on the other hand takes a more personal approach, as shown here. His appointment to Galactica as it later turns out was a comfortable way into forced retirement, a convenient way for the fleet commanders to get rid of him following an incident that almost provoked a war (see the episode 'Hero'). That being said, Adama easily commands more respect from his crew. Not only is he a seasoned war veteran, but he takes a keen interest in the affairs of his people -treating them like family. That is what endears him to anyone serving under him.
On the extended cut, Adama (talking to Roslin) says that Cain is a 'very young officer on a very fast track' and 'very well connected; promoted over half the commanders on the list'. This sort of implies that her promotion to flag rank MAY have been more a political decision rather than merit based.
You missed that Adama commanded 3 escort ships before commanding the BattleStar Valkyrie.. those can range from frigates to the huge Bezerk class cruisers
@@TheWTFworks Its on the extended version of Pegasus.. Adama says Cain is a young officer in a very fast track, promoted over half of the admirals, very competent and very well connected..
Admiral Cain was truly all about self preservation no matter who or what the cost as we saw in the series and the amazing miniseries razor she just cold as ice especially the scene in the shipping container, wonderfully nuanced performances by all especially by Michelle Forbes
"You have work to do" into prelude to war gives me fucking goosebumps every damn time. Those few seconds stick out to me more than any other part of this scene for some reason.
Man I can't believe how great this series was! The productions values, the musical score, the actors, the storylines, the special fx were all TOP NOTCH.
Thanks for putting this up! And for it not being yet another annoying montage with sucky music blaring over it! Easily my favourite scene in the whole series.
Love this scene but one thing always bugged me. Cain declares she's a "flag officer on detached service during a time of war"; except she's not on detached service, the President, Colonial government and the entire civilian population is all around her.
Gripping scene. I can't remember what happened next. I've just got the BluRay box set and wondering if now's the time to watch the ENTIRE thing again! :-) Man, Battlestar was a great series.
Adama vs Cain service history; Adama; Early life- born on Caprica with Tauron tradition 60 years before the Fall. First Cylon War- Finished Viper pilot training ten years in war. First assignment aboard Galactica as Ensign/Raptor co-pilot. Desired assignment as Vipr pilot believed too headstrong by immediate superiors. First assignment in Operation Clean Sweep; assignment changed to transport Greystone researcher Coster Fosjovik to Archeron of top-secret Ghost Fleet. Archeron found destroyed forcing Adama's Raptor to proceed to Osiris. Volunteered himself and Fosjovik in the battle-landing to Djerba as part of revealed Ghost Fleet Offensive. Osiris destroyed in following battle; Adama safely crash-landed on planet shortly after; successfully reached objective on foot. Fostjovik revealed to be Cylon sympathizer shortly after; Adama confronted/ abandoned sympathizer to later be captured by Cylon forces. Returned to superiors to cover-up military failings of the Ghost Fleet Offensive. First promotion to Lieutenant following offensive; given Mk. 2 Viper call-signed "Husker." Participated in numerous battles two years after Ghost Fleet Offensive. Romantically involved with Raptor pilot Jaycie McGavin during this time. First romance wounded and possibly killed in final battles against the Cylons. Participated in final battle of Operation Raptor Talon; Adama shot down/ ejected in this battle. Landed near Cylon laboratory facility with experimented humans. Witnessed humans transported to Cylon Basestar; Galactica refused to intercept upon sudden declaration broadcast of Colonial/ Cylon Armistice. Armistice Era/ Merchant Marine Service- Married first wife Carolanne and fathered two sons; named Zak and Lee Adama. Later relates to Captain Louanne Katraine and desires a daughter. Miltary career declined following the Armistice. Discharged as many servicemen after end of conflict. Served on commercial frieghter on Caprica- Tauron run; met fellow pilot Saul Tigh in this position; Pair forge lasting friendship as well in this position. Used wife's family connections with Colonial Defense Council for reinstated in Colonial Fleet as rank of Captain; promoted to rank of Major before Captain. Later divorced Carolann; later engaged to marry again at time of Fall of the Twelve Colonies. Served as Major aboard Atlantia. Later served as executive officer of Columbia before earning own command aboard Battlestar Valkyrie; Saul Tigh joins him serving as XO. Ordered by Colonial Admiralty as Commander of Valyrie to test Cylon military disposition with covert surveillance mission across the Red Line. Stealthstar discovered by Cylons during this operation; ordered the craft destroyed to prevent capture. Transferred to aging Galactica following previous event. Sons soon after choose to follow in father's footsteps to become Viper pilot. Zak killed in training; began secret relations with Kara Thrace during training leading to son's death; Result causes negative relation between Adama and surviving son; blamed by Lee for forcing dead son into military service. Sparked a father-daughter relationship while in command of decommisioning Galactica; decommission process interrupted by return of the Cylons after 40-year Armistice. Fall of the Twelve Colonies- Refused to allow CNP upgrade on Galactica due to experience of similar devices used by Colonial vessels during the First Cylon War; thus decreed no network allowed on Galactica until completed decommision from service to a museum ship. Decision spared Galactica from Cylon infiltration attempts to disable aging battlestar. Initially decides best decision is counterattack following initial reports from the devastated Colonies. Assumes command of remaining fleet following reports of remaining Colonial Fleet led by Atlantia decimated. Re-arms Galactica at Ragnar Ancourage for counterattack following Atlantia's confirmed destruction; instead met by remaining civilian fleet led by Colonial One led by assumed Colonial President Lara Roslin. Urged by Roslin to change Galactica's counterattack to protection of 50,000 survivors convoy on a fleet-wide search for Earth. Second Cylon War- (from Battle of Ancourage/ Battle of Resurrection Ship. ) Convinced all remaining Colonial Fleet assets destroyed after final reports from destroyed homes/ fleet; orders Galactica re-armed and its' Viper on museum display re-purposed for service. Leaves the Cyrannus system in Battle of Ragnar Ancourage; Defends/ leads 50,000 survivors fleet on search for Earth; Cylons persue for next 5 days every 33 minutes. First 1300 lives of 50,000 survivors lost with destruction of Olympic Carrier. Resulting stress from final day of initial persuit causes accident aboard Galactica's hangar; orders Thrace to train new pilots to replace lost in accident. Made aware of the full story leading to Zak's death before the Fall; eventually forgives Thrace's for Zak's death from barely able to initially restrain himself. Incident after Thrace shot down on training flight re-cements father-son relations with Lee. Later shot by Cylon-agent Boomer; survives assassination attempt with no post-traumatic change. Confronts Rear Admiral Cain over treatment of Galactica's crew after found by Pegasus. Both commanders come to brink of shooting at either battlestar after threatened execution of Carol Agathon and Galen Tyrol. Makes plans to assasinate Cain after consulting President Roslin over shared concern. Later decides not to execute Cain's assassination after Battle of Resurrection Ship; kill order carried out by Gina instead. Promoted to Admiral following Cain's death; surprised in moment after nearly gave up hope attaining a flag rank after all service years in his career. Cain Early life- born on Tauron- child on Cylon-blockaded Colony during early First Cylon War. Parents killed/ sister abducted by Cylons during early era. Post- traumatic witness of entire birth family killed/ abducted forges her into a razor. First Cylon War- Sores through ranks faster than young Adama during late era of the war. (Exact service history unknown during this era.) Armistice Era- Gains flag rank of Admiral in command of Battlestar Pegasus/ 62nd Battlestar Group of Colonial Fleet (BSG-62) Fall of the Twelve Colonies- docked aboard Pegasus at Scorpio Shipyards for months-long overhaul; Critical systems down due to overhaul spares Pegasus from Cylon-infiltrated CNP. Rushed to CIC after opening strikes on still-docked battlestar; Five other moored ships- two of them battlestars-destroyed on attack of Scorpio Shipyards. Orders Pegasus to emergency underway to blind-jump immediately after; Jump-out location beyond Armistice Line from previous location. 723 crewmen lost with several equipment and Vipers damaged in aftermath. Orders Raptor flight to confirm situation from Colonies following immediate aftermath; flight returns with confirmed destruction of Colonies. Speeches entire Pegasus crew that war is their imperative. Second Cylon War (from Battle of Relay Station-Battle of Resurrection Ship) Ordered cavalry charges wherever Cylon fleets massed before abandoning each area. Manipulated by Cylon agent Gina Inviere into jumping Pegasus into Cylon staging post masquerading as lightly-defended communication post; Heavy Viper casualties suffered as a result. Refused to retreat Pegasus from Battle of the Relay Station; executed executive officer Colonel Belzen refused order to launch all reserve Vipers; made Colonel Fisk new XO; he does not refuse previous order out of fear of authority. Later encounters a small fleet of civilian ships; views non-combatant ships as tactical risk. Orders the ships cannibalized for spare parts/ non-compliant refugees executed. Cannibalized/ abandoned ships from Pegasus stripped of any FTL drives to escape passing Cylon fleets. Eventually discovers a large fleet shadowed by Pegasus several months after the Fall. Orders Pegasus jump ahead to ambush initially-assumed Cylon fleet; discovers the fleet Colonial led by Galactica. Initially reunion soon follows, but is soured by refused failure to send materials to Galactica's civilian fleet. Re-assigned Galactica crews to Pegasus for reasons relating to Adama's command style/ failed to adequately punish officers for interactions due to crew shortage. Crew transfer disputes lead to the death of Lt. Alastair Thorne by Lt. Karl Agathon and Deck Chief Galen Tyrol; orders both transferred to Pegasus for pending execution. Refused to spare men after failed persuasion by Adama; forced Adama's hand to stage a rescue operation to get his men against Admiral's authority. Following standoff ended by unauthorized recon mission from Thrace aboard the Blackbird; Returned flight reveals a Cylon Resurrection Ship. Sighting confirmed by interrogation of Cylon prisoner Gina. Declares uneasy truce with Galactica's fleet authority to mount attack against Resurrection Ship; meanwhile plots assassination of Adama during plan to attack Resurrection Ship Calls off kill order after Resurrection Ship destroyed in Battle of the Resurrection Ship; executed by Gina realeased by Baltar soon after. Authority of Pegasus later transferred to Lee Adama.
I frankly hated this version of Cain. the original was a better character. Like Adama but less practical. more glory hound. this one is just plain ruthless and the fact she kills her XO proves she is unfit to lead
@@Revkor Yeah, Cain was originally not scripted to be as ruthless as she was since she shot her XO point blank in front of the entire Pegasus CIC. And yes that was the point we realized she was not fit to lead.
@@Revkor Yeah, how the reboot's Cain was re-scripted was a poor choice, but I don't know the original as well. Though liked the voiceover of Deadlock's Cain a bit better than the reboot.
Maybe Cain was too used to getting her own way, but wouldn't the 'integration' of Pegasus into the fleet make her question the issue of her authority under 'detached service'? Apart from being a great combinaation of drama and music, this scene is also a great case of two opposing leadership styles. Cain's style is in line with her position as an admiral; 'hard-arse' and by-the-book whereas Adama's is supporting the people under his command.
I was thinking about it too. She has a president, a vice president, a Quorum of Twelve but she's detached somehow. Probably because she liked what being detached allowed her to do.
Unless it means there'd need to be an admiralty as well for her to not be considered detached. I'm not sure of course since I'm no naval officer or military law type!
I'm a year late to the discussion , but it seemed pretty clear she didn't recognize Rosalin or the fleet based government she had established, nor did she recognize the fleet Adama had. Her language used through out the episode reflected it "welcome back to the fleet" despite being one ship, and yeah her stating she's on detached service while Adama and Rosalin are treating the fleet like a mobile colony. Her strategy was never going to be self sustaining. If she had managed to kill Adama and take control of galactica, the entire fleet would have been cannibalized eventually.
"Target the main battery for Galactica. And may the Gods have mercy on their souls." Missing from this edit. Such a great line, this is why you can't trust amazing shows to networks that edit out stuff for commercials.
I agree it's an unfortunate edit removal as it adds to how out of control the situation is becoming and that open hostilities between both ships is imminent before the "to be continued".
I still say that not only is this the best SciFi series I have ever see....., I really think it is one of the best series, hands down, of all time. In my book, it is up there with "The Wire" first 2 seasons, far surpasses "Game of Thrones" , and just barely edges out 'Firefly' & "Star Trek TNG"
Poor choice by Cain to choose execution. Galactica had been through alot alone and her fighting capabilities almost matched Pegasus. It would have been a smarter move to release Tyrol and Helo as a gesture of good faith, while continuing to slowly intermix the crews and assert a command structure. Adama would of been reluctant but had no moral footing to stand his ground against her.
Michelle Forbes' best role.... her character in Outer Limits, A Stitch in Time was great, as well as her portrayal of Ensign Ro in Next Gen.... but Cain was totally badass.... I wish BG had done more with the character--- didn't really care for the Razors.... I wanted a series based on Cain's war against the Cylons, until she ran into Adama and.... The Big Salad 150,000 years later
Still the best moment of the show. Can't describe with words how much I was thrilled when I first saw that. The follow up is a bit disappointing because it could ONLY be at least a bit disappointing, but it was still strong. The writers couldn't have everyone kill each other.
Fun fact: Edward James Olmos and Michelle Forbes are both Mexican-American. Obviously most already knew that about Edward James Olmos...but not Michelle Forbes (full name, Michelle Reneé Forbes Guajardo).
This is the standard/Tv-aired scene, there is also an extended version on dvd/Bluray, where just before the POV of the camera changes, CIC-scene is longer, not by much and only contains Cain saying "and target Galacticas main batteries, may the gods have mercy on their souls". So not a big change but makes for more interesting reason why the next we see is the Pegasus training their cannons on Galactica followed by Raptors launching.
Everyone on the Pegasus bridge is like "Oh shit, this is wrong." yet no one has the balls to oppose their CO (or shoot her in the head before she does fire). That´s what´s wrong with the military. No moral responsibility, just duty and following orders. I understand, the military wouldn´t work if it wasn´t so, but sometimes you just wish that things would be different.
I know this is 4 years old.. but no, Galactica will not "gets its ass handed to them". Pegasus has all the guns anyone can ask for, but Galactica has a heavy solid defense grid and armor plating. The Jupiter class are designed to put up walls of flak that are inconceivable to us. Pegasus wouldn't be able to penetrate that without driving right through it, which would knock many of her guns out, leaving both ships to slug it out at close range making it an equal fight. Also, Admiral Cain have never won a single war game against the older Jupiter Class ships like Battlestar Galactica. If Pegasus had a competent commander then the fight would be a drew or one ship will end up being crippled beyond repair.
i wish Adama reminded her, something like ' No sir, you are not on detached duty- we have over 90% of existing humans, with the President and Qurom on tow. Humans are now a nomadic civilisation' and tried to get some of her listening officers to go 'hey wait a min, he is right..'
Admiral Cain shouldn't have acted to reactively. She should have allowed the marines to land in the Pegasus hanger, gone to meet them personally - along with a complement of her own marines, and asked these Marines if they were willing to defy their commander in chief. Asked them whether their oath was to Adama or to the Colonies. And even dared them to storm her flagship. If their answer was still 'yes' - that's mutiny, and Adama ordered them to do it.
Call it what you will, he's getting his men :p Also the laws and regulations are from a time before mankind was an endangered species on the brink of extinction, they kind of become vestigial as the series goes on
I doubt military doctrine would encourage allowing any hostile or potentially hostile force on board a vessel of that type. Bear in mind that she would also have to stand down her vipers and be defenseless during that time, allowing Adama to preemptively strike if he desired.
+blazednlovinit plus cain is acting ageist orders of her commander and chef it be funny to see if some of the marines threw that back at her saying that it one of the reasons their taking her in for treason. so shes being a hypocrite..... but that nothing new she has been the hole time she was showing on the show
They sure have a lot of "alert" Vipers. I'd expect maybe 2 or 4 Vipers to be on alert status, constantly ready to launch on a few minutes' notice. How can they possibly have 30 to 40 Vipers in the tube at all times?
HarakMolova Yes, of course it makes sense to have *some* Vipers on alert status, but are you constantly going to keep 40 manned fighters in the tubes? Forty pilots that are constantly strapped into their cockpits? How many fighter pilots did the Galactica even have? I think a much lower number, say 8 to 10, would have been much more realistic. You know, pilots have to eat, sleep and do other things, too.
+antred11 that is a low number considering that on the galactica alone theirs meant to be 80 alert vipers and the Pegasus should have had more as it was bigger with a double stack system that had been removed from galactica is it was going to be decommissioned. if anything the low number of vipers show how bad the resource situation has gotten
To be fair though this is not the first time Adama let his personal attachment to the crew clouding his judgement. Did Cylon commit genocide against the 12 colonies? Are they not on the run from a massively superior enemy? Is secrecy of your location the only reason your fleet is still alive? Then considering all the above, should you really keep a Cylon prisoner alive just because one day she might be in the new Hawaii-O-Five? If I were Adama I would have tossed Grace Park right out of the airlock like the President ordered. You simply do not give second thoughts or take chances toward an enemy that has kicked your ass as hard as Cylon has. Naturally, Cain isn't unbiased herself, and quoting regulation established by the civilian government while refusing to aid the civilian ship previously gave her no position to argue on lawful ground. Had the knowledge of Cain's action came to light, she should have been arrested right away. After initial co-operation with her, Adam should have listened to Roslin's suggestion and try to remove her from power and throw every senior officers on Pegasus into the brig. His indecisiveness allowed the situation spiral out of control and a civil war was only avoided by dumb luck (if they didn't waste time on a stealth ship that might or might not work, if they didn't know about the resurrection ships, and if Starbucks didn't fly back in time... the fleet would have killed itself.) And one last thing: Adama couldn't bring himself to let his crew members executed but had no problem destroying the Olympian Carrier. Then he risked half of the fleet later to save one little girl? Wasn't there also a little girl on that fleet they abandoned in the very first episode? Once again, personal attachment. Somehow Boomer and her kid is more important than the safety of the entire fleet. Granted, they asked only for volunteers for the last rescue mission, but allowing THAT many volunteers to join him is a problem in itself. And tossing everything into the sun for a fresh start? Are you kidding me, Adama? You are supposed to erect huge monuments telling your offspring how not to build robots and stuff, instead you erased every trace of your previous mistakes so your children can repeat the same mistake in the future.
it took Adama over a year to fully trust Athena and thats after she saving their asses several times.. tought i cant blame him..and i see your point.. you cant never be sure she would be playing a bigger game or have some agenda ..and the Cylons certainly could afford to lose a strike fleet and a single resurection ship if in the end they got the fleet
There were loads of Cylons all over the fleet, for a long time. The best thing you can do with a trap you're doomed to walk into, is trip it purposefully, and hope you're quick enough to dodge the worst of it.
One of my fave scenes in the series. However, the Pegasus position in the fleet has always bugged me. At 0:43 it's directly in front of Galactica in the fleet. Then when the conversation ends, it's far away from the fleet and facing towards it. No way that happens so fast.
Pegasus was going out for its patrol right before this happened. When the conversation starts you can see they have pulled ahead and by the time the conversation is over they're far away. Top speed for these ships is around 1000 kilometers per second so Pegasus could be far away very fast if it wanted.
Good part of BSG: BSG vs Cylon Best part of BSG: BSG vs Pegasus Bad part of BSG: BSG vs BSG Worst part of BSG: Cylons have feeling, too! Shit part of BSG: God has a plan!
When the people on BSG fights among themselves, such as what happened after they escaped from New Caprica and they started killing the so-called Cylon collaborators.
Exactly. Too many emo Cylon scenes. When we watch BSG, we want to see humanity unite against a common threat, overcoming big obstacles, find hope when there is none, and survive together! (example episode: Water.) Not Cylons kissing!
+Ian G I liked all the items on your list except the whole God-did-it crap. Turns out God never really did have much of a plan, or if he did the show completely failed to communicate it to the viewers.
In and of itself this was such a good scene. And I love the music. But in the grand scheme it highlighted a problem the show had. There are less than 50,000 people left, out of billions. That's like a large town. They Cylons are working very hard to wipe out those last 50,000. And the humans are [yet again] turning on each other. If I were the cylons I wouldn't even waste the time attacking them. I'd just stay close enough to keep them tense and let them eat each other. I know, I know. The show was meant to be a commentary on our modern world and blah blah blah same thing every show does. But in this case it just never really felt right considering what was at stake.
You can SEE the change in Cain when she hears of the Viper and Raptor launch. Up until that point, it seemed as if she was barely paying attention to Adama - just deflecting a junior officer's complaints. Once the ships launch, she realises what's actually happening... and starts to turn nasty. Nicely acted.
She's also worried, she knows Adama and the Galactica.... She's all too aware of the consequences of a head on conflict with them. Pegasus will prevail, but not without heavy losses to her. She's still looking for an alternative in her mind...... but no "She has no choice" Backing down is not an option to her. Even though at the back of her mind she's still contemplates it, even if only briefly! THAT'S WHY I LOVE THAT SCENE!
Theonlynamenoonehas She has no choice but to back down. She's the 'Hitler' of the Colonial Fleet. Adama and the Galactica are family, and those ties that binded them together would overthrow anything Cain would bring to bear.
She's a typical narcissist. When others stand up to them, they tend to dig their heels in but in the end shows their true colours, and exposes their weaknesses. Adama with his long experience would know how to exploit her weaknesses
***** He said Narcissist not Nazi...
Tom Pickard Thanks. I did say Narcissist, which she is. Only one of those would even dream of condemning innocents to death to support her insane military way of thinking
One of the best scenes, with some of the best music, in some of the best series ever made.
totally agree
So say we all...
You can thank Bear McCreary for the music. Awesome composer.
Loved BSG the thinking mans Star Wars !
@@galacticarazor do you know what particular track it is?
"Admiral, this will spiral out of control fast…" If there ever was a quote to perfectly summarize a scene, this is the one. IMHO the best scene in the whole series. Acting, camera work, music, literally everything was top notch.
The constant spinning around Adama and Cain made me dizzy.... rest of it was pretty good.
Yep .. the film was spiral . Admiral Kane was hard core womon brutal this was a awsome series
Ahhh when Fisk was a competent and nice officer actually even siding with Adama before the writers decided to turn him into an expendable corrupt asshole overnight
@@sparrowlt I agree, mabe budgetary? Maybe time restraints, and needed to get the character out of the way. But still, I kinda liked Fisk, even though I had no probem with him being corrupt
@@savagex466-qt1io a well written one compared to Mary Sues we have nowadays. Starbucks is another great female role. Wish they made series like these nowadays. So many great series in the 00s.
Michelle Forbes did sch a great job with the few episodes she had as Cain.
The way she welcomes a 70+ convoy of ships back to the colonial fleet. Signifying that she believes the fleet to be wherever she is.
The double take she does when introduced to Roslin.
And
'I don't take orders from you'
Tom Oosterbroek Chilling out on youtube on a Friday night, watched this clip."I'm switching to BSG DVD'sZombiekiller117 out"
+Tom Oosterbroek Yep, that part kind pissed me off, too, but _technically_ she's actually right, sort of. Being the highest-ranking surviving flag officer, the "fleet" actually is where ever her command is.
+Fabian Kirchgessner The fleet is still where she is...
***** Yes, as she is a flag officer it is her right to transfer her flag to whatever ship she desires and declare them as her fleet. That is how the military works sine you obviously don't know.
***** The fleet is wherever the flag officer or highest ranking officer is located. The colonial fleet is located during Pegasus with Admiral Cain and the BSP. She is correct when she says he is back in the colonial fleet as he is now back under her command, i.e. the fleet commanders command. There is one colonial fleet, and since Adama and Galactica are considered dead up until that point they are not in the fleet, they return to the fleet once they are confirmed alive.
He's getting his men.
Actually, during marshal-law, and time of war, the ranking official has every right to execute at his/ her discretion…
So Adama is wrong here…!
@@jimliu2560and even during the time of war, the ranking officers still have to listen to the commander in chief, aka Roslin, which Cain didn't
Edit: also she had a unprofessional relationship with the 6 onboard
@@shepherdlavellen3301
Roslin agreed to only have authority over “non-military” matters….ie on civilians….
The commanders (Adama) have full control over military personnel/ matters…
Caine has a different ideology, in her mind, the civilian authority was destroyed….that is why she was just in destroying/ stripping her civilian fleet. (The Pegasus had an civilian fleet before.).
Therefore Roslin is Not her president….
@@jimliu2560I think morals matter more here than regulations if Cain uses it as a blunt instrument to sentence men to death at a drumhead trial.
What are they being sentenced to death for by the way? The involuntary manslaughter of one guy actively committing sexual assault who by default deserved his demise. It was a sentence imposed out of spite for Tyrol and Helo not being psychopaths because Cain’s an awful person who removed her own soul.
Adama is doing nothing wrong.
@@UnendedGalaxy
The Cylons nuked all 13 human planets, killing billions……
The officer was ordered by Cain to get intel from a cylon prisoner….in a time of war…
Again, under Martial law, the Ranking Military officer has ultimate authority over court-martial decisions..
Adama is a Traitor for attacking a fellow, Superior, Colonial battlestar… …especially in a time of War….and too soon after the destruction of the colonies….
As a commander….Adana’s Really only ultimate job was to protect the Colonies…..
This shows how much of a family Galactica is compared to the Pegasus crew. Adama is like a protective dad. Cally's "Oh shit!" expression at his order of the Raptor sums it up. Even, Even Colonel Tigh is geninuely upset Tyrol and Helo are about to executed. Yet everyone on Galactica goes along with Adama happily, yet Cain's CIC staff look terrified.
+Aaron Brudenell bet most of them were happy she died. she ruled thought fear and a little respect for certain people. but adama crew is thought pure respect and loyalty. people in adama crew have taking bullets for him. not sure anyone but maybe shaw would for cain
Well, Cain executed her last first officer for not carrying out an order, right there on CIC. I can see why they are terrified of her.
Season 4 and Razor adress that..
Admiral Cain has made a hierarchy of fear in her ship where the commanding officer has the power to heavily punish those lower down on the tree whereas Adama has made a system where violence is condemned not with more violence but with friendship and comradery.
in the extended version of 'Pegasus', Adama notes that Cain was 'very well connected' and that she was 'promoted over half the Commander's on the list'. This implies that Cain's promotion to Admiral may not have been merit-based, but instead may have been due to Cain's politicial connections. One fact on Cain's leadership remains however: the Pegasus survived post Cylon attack, thanks in part to her tough approach. Lloyd Bridges Commander Cain mirrors this when he says to Adama in the classic BSG that his crew's has survived without help from anyone, hence the right to determine their fate.
Ensign Ro grew up to be a fierce admiral.
She actually was very upset when she first got on set and RDM made a Trek reference, as she had spent the intervening years trying to get her non-SF career going, with mixed results.
AINT THAT THE TRUTH!
I love this. The moment that music kicks in, you know that Adama is pissed off and someone has hell to pay.
As a counterpoint to when Tyrol and Helo are being shipped off to Pegasus with the most "You are utterly doomed" martial music I've ever heard. You can disparage Adama, call him weak, dismiss his arguments, but you threaten his men and he will wreak holy hell upon you. And that's what makes his crew loyal to him - they know he's on their side.
I loved this entire series... And it can all be summed up in one quote: "Its not about Surviving. Its about being Worthy of Survival"...
I think that is something everyone can bare in mind even today...
universe doesn't work like that tho
Worthy according to who? The only real judge is nature, and nature is an indifferent cold-hearted bitch. Survival is achieved by beating her into submission.
2:31
"UNREGISTERED OFFWORLD ACTIVATION, SIR!"
-Close the iris.
How about we keep the Iris closed and open it when we get authentication codes from an SG team? Naah, then we don't get to do the close the iris bit.
@@jamiestewart48 I can imagine the meeting where they took a vote of "Safety" vs "It looks cool to close it each time". Rule of cool won.
I understood that reference!
Edward James Olmos and Michelle Forbes held their own.
Imagine the call from Cally's perspective perspective:
*picks up*
"Adama."
"Over? When did it start?"
"I want a Marine strike team in a Raptor in 5 minutes. Prepare to launch alert fighters."
*hangs up*
It's bad, it's REAL bad, but Adama is going to the mat for you. To paraphrase a line from Dune - "That kind of behavior would engender fanatic loyalty."
This is one of those perfect moments in television. The entire episode leading up to it was absolutely perfect, with the foreshadowing, the mounting tension, and eventually the point at which Adama finally refused to be crossed. The episode went from the elation to finding a surviving human ship, to this point, where, for just cause, they are now prepared to do battle with each other.
I remember watching it live. Even with my little tradition, I called "Battlescotch Galactica," I still can't explain my inherent need to throw a brick through my TV when "To Be Continued" appeared. The only time before or after a show has elicited THAT kind of response. If Adama had somehow turned to me and told me to report to action stations, i would have been halfway to the launch bay before realizing it was still a TV show.
One of the best scenes in the show by far.
I miss Battlestar Galactica it was like Star Wars for grown ups!
And that children is how you do a mid-season cliffhanger.
One of the, if not THE best scene, from the entire series. Everything is right here, the acting, the directing, and oh that music! Love it, thanx for sharing:)
Most tense moment in any scifi series in the last 20 years...
These 2 mins and 50 secs were the zenith of the greatest TV series ever made. So good, you could forgive the flagging tail end of series 3, and the Starbuck/Angel stuff at the very end
There's no way that narcissistic murderer Cain could fuck with Adama. If Adama says he's getting his men, he's getting his men, one way or another.
Adama is such a Badass!
Imagine what those Marines in that raptor are saying at this moment.
Marine:" So I really hope he isn't expecting us to succeed because our squad versus the whole Pegasus crew is going to go so well."
Marine 2: "I didn't even get my enlistment bonus."
Marine 3: "Wait you got an enlistment bonus?! How the frack did you get that?!"
Naaah, they're Marines my dude. They're all psyched at getting to make the grass red today.
I get that they are just supposed to be guards escorting prisoners, but jesus. What if Cain marched down to the hanger with a squad of marines behind her, and asked them with her arms crossed if they are going to disobey her direct orders and try to shoot their way through the Pegasus over two men?
Marine 1: Going on a suicide mission?! Frak yeah!
Marine 2: Another glorious gods damn day to be a Marine!!
Marine 3: I brought the ripped fuel and crayons bros!!
If she would kill them then IT would start the fight. And with nuces - destruction od both ships.
On board the Raptor:
Marine 1: The Old Man is sending us to get our people back. We don't stop until they are back home.
Marine 2: The Old Man would do the same for us! Hoo-rah!
All Marines: HOO-RAH!
This scene would have to be one of the best pieces of dialogue in the series and clearly shows the differences between the two commanders.
As hinted earlier in the episode, Cain's promotion to Admiral seems to be more because of her political connections rather than ability.She is an absolute 'hard-arse', a stickler for the rules, ruthless and without compassion. She had made tough decisions, at the cost of her humanity. That would account for her crew's survival, but, her leadership style is flawed because people respect her more for her rank (and perhaps out of fear seeing she shot her XO) than abilities.
Adama on the other hand takes a more personal approach, as shown here. His appointment to Galactica as it later turns out was a comfortable way into forced retirement, a convenient way for the fleet commanders to get rid of him following an incident that almost provoked a war (see the episode 'Hero'). That being said, Adama easily commands more respect from his crew. Not only is he a seasoned war veteran, but he takes a keen interest in the affairs of his people -treating them like family. That is what endears him to anyone serving under him.
wait, when did they say that stuff about cains promo to admiral? i watched that episode sooo often i never seen them talk about it...
On the extended cut, Adama (talking to Roslin) says that Cain is a 'very young officer on a very fast track' and 'very well connected; promoted over half the commanders on the list'. This sort of implies that her promotion to flag rank MAY have been more a political decision rather than merit based.
chewie211171 see if i can find that somewhere... is not on my DVD :(
You missed that Adama commanded 3 escort ships before commanding the BattleStar Valkyrie.. those can range from frigates to the huge Bezerk class cruisers
@@TheWTFworks Its on the extended version of Pegasus.. Adama says Cain is a young officer in a very fast track, promoted over half of the admirals, very competent and very well connected..
Admiral Cain was truly all about self preservation no matter who or what the cost as we saw in the series and the amazing miniseries razor she just cold as ice especially the scene in the shipping container, wonderfully nuanced performances by all especially by Michelle Forbes
I liked the scene after, where they are sitting in the President's office like too kids in trouble in the Principal's office.
Now I want you both to pay more attention in class.
"You have work to do" into prelude to war gives me fucking goosebumps every damn time. Those few seconds stick out to me more than any other part of this scene for some reason.
I agree with Adama. The entire situation is bad but the survival of the human race is priority.
Man I can't believe how great this series was! The productions values, the musical score, the actors, the storylines, the special fx were all TOP NOTCH.
Thanks for putting this up! And for it not being yet another annoying montage with sucky music blaring over it! Easily my favourite scene in the whole series.
Ensign Ro, take us out, warp 4, ENGAGE!
Some of the best acting I have ever seen. The drums still give me goosebumps.
Love this scene but one thing always bugged me. Cain declares she's a "flag officer on detached service during a time of war"; except she's not on detached service, the President, Colonial government and the entire civilian population is all around her.
In her eyes the President died at Caprica, she doesn't recognize the current government.
This scene and the STTNG Borg cliffhanger (Riker vs Locutus) - The VERY BEST in TV showdowns!
I love the "oh shit" expression at 0:26
Gripping scene. I can't remember what happened next. I've just got the BluRay box set and wondering if now's the time to watch the ENTIRE thing again! :-) Man, Battlestar was a great series.
Best cliffhanger ever.
OMG. The camera roll, the bgm and the boosebumps. One of the most Epic Scene in Television History standing up to the test of time.
Adama vs Cain service history;
Adama;
Early life- born on Caprica with Tauron tradition 60 years before the Fall.
First Cylon War- Finished Viper pilot training ten years in war. First assignment aboard Galactica as Ensign/Raptor co-pilot. Desired assignment as Vipr pilot believed too headstrong by immediate superiors. First assignment in Operation Clean Sweep; assignment changed to transport Greystone researcher Coster Fosjovik to Archeron of top-secret Ghost Fleet. Archeron found destroyed forcing Adama's Raptor to proceed to Osiris. Volunteered himself and Fosjovik in the battle-landing to Djerba as part of revealed Ghost Fleet Offensive. Osiris destroyed in following battle; Adama safely crash-landed on planet shortly after; successfully reached objective on foot. Fostjovik revealed to be Cylon sympathizer shortly after; Adama confronted/ abandoned sympathizer to later be captured by Cylon forces. Returned to superiors to cover-up military failings of the Ghost Fleet Offensive. First promotion to Lieutenant following offensive; given Mk. 2 Viper call-signed "Husker." Participated in numerous battles two years after Ghost Fleet Offensive. Romantically involved with Raptor pilot Jaycie McGavin during this time. First romance wounded and possibly killed in final battles against the Cylons. Participated in final battle of Operation Raptor Talon; Adama shot down/ ejected in this battle. Landed near Cylon laboratory facility with experimented humans. Witnessed humans transported to Cylon Basestar; Galactica refused to intercept upon sudden declaration broadcast of Colonial/ Cylon Armistice.
Armistice Era/ Merchant Marine Service- Married first wife Carolanne and fathered two sons; named Zak and Lee Adama. Later relates to Captain Louanne Katraine and desires a daughter. Miltary career declined following the Armistice. Discharged as many servicemen after end of conflict. Served on commercial frieghter on Caprica- Tauron run; met fellow pilot Saul Tigh in this position; Pair forge lasting friendship as well in this position. Used wife's family connections with Colonial Defense Council for reinstated in Colonial Fleet as rank of Captain; promoted to rank of Major before Captain. Later divorced Carolann; later engaged to marry again at time of Fall of the Twelve Colonies. Served as Major aboard Atlantia. Later served as executive officer of Columbia before earning own command aboard Battlestar Valkyrie; Saul Tigh joins him serving as XO. Ordered by Colonial Admiralty as Commander of Valyrie to test Cylon military disposition with covert surveillance mission across the Red Line. Stealthstar discovered by Cylons during this operation; ordered the craft destroyed to prevent capture. Transferred to aging Galactica following previous event. Sons soon after choose to follow in father's footsteps to become Viper pilot. Zak killed in training; began secret relations with Kara Thrace during training leading to son's death; Result causes negative relation between Adama and surviving son; blamed by Lee for forcing dead son into military service. Sparked a father-daughter relationship while in command of decommisioning Galactica; decommission process interrupted by return of the Cylons after 40-year Armistice.
Fall of the Twelve Colonies- Refused to allow CNP upgrade on Galactica due to experience of similar devices used by Colonial vessels during the First Cylon War; thus decreed no network allowed on Galactica until completed decommision from service to a museum ship. Decision spared Galactica from Cylon infiltration attempts to disable aging battlestar. Initially decides best decision is counterattack following initial reports from the devastated Colonies. Assumes command of remaining fleet following reports of remaining Colonial Fleet led by Atlantia decimated. Re-arms Galactica at Ragnar Ancourage for counterattack following Atlantia's confirmed destruction; instead met by remaining civilian fleet led by Colonial One led by assumed Colonial President Lara Roslin. Urged by Roslin to change Galactica's counterattack to protection of 50,000 survivors convoy on a fleet-wide search for Earth.
Second Cylon War- (from Battle of Ancourage/ Battle of Resurrection Ship. ) Convinced all remaining Colonial Fleet assets destroyed after final reports from destroyed homes/ fleet; orders Galactica re-armed and its' Viper on museum display re-purposed for service. Leaves the Cyrannus system in Battle of Ragnar Ancourage; Defends/ leads 50,000 survivors fleet on search for Earth; Cylons persue for next 5 days every 33 minutes. First 1300 lives of 50,000 survivors lost with destruction of Olympic Carrier. Resulting stress from final day of initial persuit causes accident aboard Galactica's hangar; orders Thrace to train new pilots to replace lost in accident. Made aware of the full story leading to Zak's death before the Fall; eventually forgives Thrace's for Zak's death from barely able to initially restrain himself. Incident after Thrace shot down on training flight re-cements father-son relations with Lee. Later shot by Cylon-agent Boomer; survives assassination attempt with no post-traumatic change. Confronts Rear Admiral Cain over treatment of Galactica's crew after found by Pegasus. Both commanders come to brink of shooting at either battlestar after threatened execution of Carol Agathon and Galen Tyrol. Makes plans to assasinate Cain after consulting President Roslin over shared concern. Later decides not to execute Cain's assassination after Battle of Resurrection Ship; kill order carried out by Gina instead. Promoted to Admiral following Cain's death; surprised in moment after nearly gave up hope attaining a flag rank after all service years in his career.
Cain
Early life- born on Tauron- child on Cylon-blockaded Colony during early First Cylon War. Parents killed/ sister abducted by Cylons during early era. Post- traumatic witness of entire birth family killed/ abducted forges her into a razor.
First Cylon War- Sores through ranks faster than young Adama during late era of the war. (Exact service history unknown during this era.)
Armistice Era- Gains flag rank of Admiral in command of Battlestar Pegasus/ 62nd Battlestar Group of Colonial Fleet (BSG-62)
Fall of the Twelve Colonies- docked aboard Pegasus at Scorpio Shipyards for months-long overhaul; Critical systems down due to overhaul spares Pegasus from Cylon-infiltrated CNP. Rushed to CIC after opening strikes on still-docked battlestar; Five other moored ships- two of them battlestars-destroyed on attack of Scorpio Shipyards. Orders Pegasus to emergency underway to blind-jump immediately after; Jump-out location beyond Armistice Line from previous location. 723 crewmen lost with several equipment and Vipers damaged in aftermath. Orders Raptor flight to confirm situation from Colonies following immediate aftermath; flight returns with confirmed destruction of Colonies. Speeches entire Pegasus crew that war is their imperative.
Second Cylon War (from Battle of Relay Station-Battle of Resurrection Ship) Ordered cavalry charges wherever Cylon fleets massed before abandoning each area. Manipulated by Cylon agent Gina Inviere into jumping Pegasus into Cylon staging post masquerading as lightly-defended communication post; Heavy Viper casualties suffered as a result. Refused to retreat Pegasus from Battle of the Relay Station; executed executive officer Colonel Belzen refused order to launch all reserve Vipers; made Colonel Fisk new XO; he does not refuse previous order out of fear of authority. Later encounters a small fleet of civilian ships; views non-combatant ships as tactical risk. Orders the ships cannibalized for spare parts/ non-compliant refugees executed. Cannibalized/ abandoned ships from Pegasus stripped of any FTL drives to escape passing Cylon fleets. Eventually discovers a large fleet shadowed by Pegasus several months after the Fall. Orders Pegasus jump ahead to ambush initially-assumed Cylon fleet; discovers the fleet Colonial led by Galactica. Initially reunion soon follows, but is soured by refused failure to send materials to Galactica's civilian fleet. Re-assigned Galactica crews to Pegasus for reasons relating to Adama's command style/ failed to adequately punish officers for interactions due to crew shortage. Crew transfer disputes lead to the death of Lt. Alastair Thorne by Lt. Karl Agathon and Deck Chief Galen Tyrol; orders both transferred to Pegasus for pending execution. Refused to spare men after failed persuasion by Adama; forced Adama's hand to stage a rescue operation to get his men against Admiral's authority. Following standoff ended by unauthorized recon mission from Thrace aboard the Blackbird; Returned flight reveals a Cylon Resurrection Ship. Sighting confirmed by interrogation of Cylon prisoner Gina. Declares uneasy truce with Galactica's fleet authority to mount attack against Resurrection Ship; meanwhile plots assassination of Adama during plan to attack Resurrection Ship Calls off kill order after Resurrection Ship destroyed in Battle of the Resurrection Ship; executed by Gina realeased by Baltar soon after. Authority of Pegasus later transferred to Lee Adama.
I frankly hated this version of Cain. the original was a better character. Like Adama but less practical. more glory hound. this one is just plain ruthless and the fact she kills her XO proves she is unfit to lead
@@Revkor Yeah, Cain was originally not scripted to be as ruthless as she was since she shot her XO point blank in front of the entire Pegasus CIC. And yes that was the point we realized she was not fit to lead.
@@michaeldavis29 it's one of the many poor choices i have with the reboot. OG Cain you got and could see why he was a legend
@@Revkor Yeah, how the reboot's Cain was re-scripted was a poor choice, but I don't know the original as well. Though liked the voiceover of Deadlock's Cain a bit better than the reboot.
Hell hath no greater fury than Adama scorned...
BSG-75 all the way any day! SO SAY WE ALL!
Still remember when this aired. Hard to believe how long it’s been. I too believe this is an amazing scene.
Quite possibly the highest high the show ever reached. I wanted to throw a brick through my TV at "to be continued"
This scene is frakking awesome. Among the best in the series for sure!
THAT MUSIC **-** O-O
Maybe Cain was too used to getting her own way, but wouldn't the 'integration' of Pegasus into the fleet make her question the issue of her authority under 'detached service'? Apart from being a great combinaation of drama and music, this scene is also a great case of two opposing leadership styles. Cain's style is in line with her position as an admiral; 'hard-arse' and by-the-book whereas Adama's is supporting the people under his command.
I was thinking about it too. She has a president, a vice president, a Quorum of Twelve but she's detached somehow. Probably because she liked what being detached allowed her to do.
Unless it means there'd need to be an admiralty as well for her to not be considered detached. I'm not sure of course since I'm no naval officer or military law type!
I'm a year late to the discussion
, but it seemed pretty clear she didn't recognize Rosalin or the fleet based government she had established, nor did she recognize the fleet Adama had. Her language used through out the episode reflected it "welcome back to the fleet" despite being one ship, and yeah her stating she's on detached service while Adama and Rosalin are treating the fleet like a mobile colony. Her strategy was never going to be self sustaining. If she had managed to kill Adama and take control of galactica, the entire fleet would have been cannibalized eventually.
"Target the main battery for Galactica. And may the Gods have mercy on their souls."
Missing from this edit. Such a great line, this is why you can't trust amazing shows to networks that edit out stuff for commercials.
I agree it's an unfortunate edit removal as it adds to how out of control the situation is becoming and that open hostilities between both ships is imminent before the "to be continued".
I still say that not only is this the best SciFi series I have ever see....., I really think it is one of the best series, hands down, of all time. In my book, it is up there with "The Wire" first 2 seasons, far surpasses "Game of Thrones" , and just barely edges out 'Firefly' & "Star Trek TNG"
One of the most memorable scenes of the whole series.
I am getting my men!!!!
Poor choice by Cain to choose execution. Galactica had been through alot alone and her fighting capabilities almost matched Pegasus. It would have been a smarter move to release Tyrol and Helo as a gesture of good faith, while continuing to slowly intermix the crews and assert a command structure. Adama would of been reluctant but had no moral footing to stand his ground against her.
*would have been. There is no "would of" in English.
This ladies and gentlemen is how you do a cliffhanger scene
I'm getting my men back. Boss even disregarded his superior.
Michelle Forbes' best role.... her character in Outer Limits, A Stitch in Time was great, as well as her portrayal of Ensign Ro in Next Gen.... but Cain was totally badass.... I wish BG had done more with the character--- didn't really care for the Razors.... I wanted a series based on Cain's war against the Cylons, until she ran into Adama and.... The Big Salad 150,000 years later
"LAUNCH... THE ALERT FIGHTERS !"
That shot with Adama walking through the hallway after hanging up the phone FUCK YEAH GO GET YOUR MEN
Incredible scene.
I love how he says that i am getting my men
When he says it at the end it's with such steel in his voice that it's a statement of fact.
Still the best moment of the show. Can't describe with words how much I was thrilled when I first saw that. The follow up is a bit disappointing because it could ONLY be at least a bit disappointing, but it was still strong. The writers couldn't have everyone kill each other.
Michelle Forbes (Admiral Cain) is Freaking AWESOME!
Great admiral , poor human being
Most Epic scene i get goosebumbs
That look on her face when she realizes whats going to happen!
This show was so fucking great
I love how he makes himself the boss
Fun fact: Edward James Olmos and Michelle Forbes are both Mexican-American. Obviously most already knew that about Edward James Olmos...but not Michelle Forbes (full name, Michelle Reneé Forbes Guajardo).
They’re the only humans left alive in the universe and they’re going to war for this ..
This is the standard/Tv-aired scene, there is also an extended version on dvd/Bluray, where just before the POV of the camera changes, CIC-scene is longer, not by much and only contains Cain saying "and target Galacticas main batteries, may the gods have mercy on their souls".
So not a big change but makes for more interesting reason why the next we see is the Pegasus training their cannons on Galactica followed by Raptors launching.
Everyone on the Pegasus bridge is like "Oh shit, this is wrong." yet no one has the balls to oppose their CO (or shoot her in the head before she does fire). That´s what´s wrong with the military. No moral responsibility, just duty and following orders. I understand, the military wouldn´t work if it wasn´t so, but sometimes you just wish that things would be different.
I swear one of the guys in Admiral Cain's command center was the guy that was building the $2000 PC for the Verge.
Everybody in the Pegasus CIC looks terrified.
CAIN: Adama, come on Bro. You're trying to use Disney bucks at a Caesars Palace here
Let’s be honest guys... if it came to a gunfight Galactica gets its ass handed to them by just simply superior tech.
Honestly its closer to a draw. Pegasus might survive but it'd be crippled.
I know this is 4 years old.. but no, Galactica will not "gets its ass handed to them". Pegasus has all the guns anyone can ask for, but Galactica has a heavy solid defense grid and armor plating. The Jupiter class are designed to put up walls of flak that are inconceivable to us. Pegasus wouldn't be able to penetrate that without driving right through it, which would knock many of her guns out, leaving both ships to slug it out at close range making it an equal fight. Also, Admiral Cain have never won a single war game against the older Jupiter Class ships like Battlestar Galactica. If Pegasus had a competent commander then the fight would be a drew or one ship will end up being crippled beyond repair.
i wish Adama reminded her, something like ' No sir, you are not on detached duty- we have over 90% of existing humans, with the President and Qurom on tow. Humans are now a nomadic civilisation' and tried to get some of her listening officers to go 'hey wait a min, he is right..'
I do "NOT" take ORDERS from you..... Of course, but I am "ASKING" instead...
That's what the dialogue should have been....
So say we all.
If Cain actually executed Tyrol do you think he would have woken up on the baseship following the fleet??
Likely.
EPIC!!!
Scify shows give a shit about G forces and lack of gravity, except for The Expanse
I want to try to to a version on deadlock of this of what would happen .
2:46 Adama and The Bucket protecting their family
Admiral Cain shouldn't have acted to reactively. She should have allowed the marines to land in the Pegasus hanger, gone to meet them personally - along with a complement of her own marines, and asked these Marines if they were willing to defy their commander in chief. Asked them whether their oath was to Adama or to the Colonies. And even dared them to storm her flagship. If their answer was still 'yes' - that's mutiny, and Adama ordered them to do it.
Call it what you will, he's getting his men :p
Also the laws and regulations are from a time before mankind was an endangered species on the brink of extinction, they kind of become vestigial as the series goes on
I doubt military doctrine would encourage allowing any hostile or potentially hostile force on board a vessel of that type. Bear in mind that she would also have to stand down her vipers and be defenseless during that time, allowing Adama to preemptively strike if he desired.
+blazednlovinit plus cain is acting ageist orders of her commander and chef it be funny to see if some of the marines threw that back at her saying that it one of the reasons their taking her in for treason. so shes being a hypocrite..... but that nothing new she has been the hole time she was showing on the show
adama has all kindz of balls!! all kindz...
They sure have a lot of "alert" Vipers. I'd expect maybe 2 or 4 Vipers to be on alert status, constantly ready to launch on a few minutes' notice. How can they possibly have 30 to 40 Vipers in the tube at all times?
+antred11 It took a while from the order to the actual launch. A couple of minutes should be enough to load more Vipers in the tubes.
+antred11 Considering Vipers are the mainstay defense of the fleet, it makes sense to have a lot of them on alert.
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Yes, of course it makes sense to have *some* Vipers on alert status, but are you constantly going to keep 40 manned fighters in the tubes? Forty pilots that are constantly strapped into their cockpits? How many fighter pilots did the Galactica even have? I think a much lower number, say 8 to 10, would have been much more realistic.
You know, pilots have to eat, sleep and do other things, too.
+antred11 that is a low number considering that on the galactica alone theirs meant to be 80 alert vipers and the Pegasus should have had more as it was bigger with a double stack system that had been removed from galactica is it was going to be decommissioned. if anything the low number of vipers show how bad the resource situation has gotten
Brian southparkstudio 80 Vipers? Sure. 80 *alert* Vipers? No way in hell.
yes that was in the extended episode
pegasusbsg65 No, it wasn't.
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This is from the short version of the episode.
Imho Cain was the sexiest woman in the series. even better than number six.
+ScKeaneJR Nah, the girl in Razor - Sarah Jacobsen. Then Sharon Valeri.
Definitely sexy. I was pretty fond of Racetrack, as well.
If this was Call of Duty, Adama just ranked up to be Admiral.
To be fair though this is not the first time Adama let his personal attachment to the crew clouding his judgement. Did Cylon commit genocide against the 12 colonies? Are they not on the run from a massively superior enemy? Is secrecy of your location the only reason your fleet is still alive? Then considering all the above, should you really keep a Cylon prisoner alive just because one day she might be in the new Hawaii-O-Five? If I were Adama I would have tossed Grace Park right out of the airlock like the President ordered. You simply do not give second thoughts or take chances toward an enemy that has kicked your ass as hard as Cylon has.
Naturally, Cain isn't unbiased herself, and quoting regulation established by the civilian government while refusing to aid the civilian ship previously gave her no position to argue on lawful ground. Had the knowledge of Cain's action came to light, she should have been arrested right away. After initial co-operation with her, Adam should have listened to Roslin's suggestion and try to remove her from power and throw every senior officers on Pegasus into the brig. His indecisiveness allowed the situation spiral out of control and a civil war was only avoided by dumb luck (if they didn't waste time on a stealth ship that might or might not work, if they didn't know about the resurrection ships, and if Starbucks didn't fly back in time... the fleet would have killed itself.)
And one last thing: Adama couldn't bring himself to let his crew members executed but had no problem destroying the Olympian Carrier. Then he risked half of the fleet later to save one little girl? Wasn't there also a little girl on that fleet they abandoned in the very first episode? Once again, personal attachment. Somehow Boomer and her kid is more important than the safety of the entire fleet. Granted, they asked only for volunteers for the last rescue mission, but allowing THAT many volunteers to join him is a problem in itself.
And tossing everything into the sun for a fresh start? Are you kidding me, Adama? You are supposed to erect huge monuments telling your offspring how not to build robots and stuff, instead you erased every trace of your previous mistakes so your children can repeat the same mistake in the future.
it took Adama over a year to fully trust Athena and thats after she saving their asses several times.. tought i cant blame him..and i see your point.. you cant never be sure she would be playing a bigger game or have some agenda ..and the Cylons certainly could afford to lose a strike fleet and a single resurection ship if in the end they got the fleet
The Olympic Carrier was probably empty, and at any rate it was carrying nukes that would have definitely been used to destroy the fleet.
There were loads of Cylons all over the fleet, for a long time.
The best thing you can do with a trap you're doomed to walk into, is trip it purposefully, and hope you're quick enough to dodge the worst of it.
One of my fave scenes in the series. However, the Pegasus position in the fleet has always bugged me. At 0:43 it's directly in front of Galactica in the fleet.
Then when the conversation ends, it's far away from the fleet and facing towards it. No way that happens so fast.
Pegasus was going out for its patrol right before this happened. When the conversation starts you can see they have pulled ahead and by the time the conversation is over they're far away. Top speed for these ships is around 1000 kilometers per second so Pegasus could be far away very fast if it wanted.
I gave a dislike not because the scene itself but because it is blasphemy to upload this awesome scene in a shitty quality like this.
Anyone know if the music here is available on its own? If so, link please.
It's literally in the related videos on this one: 17-Prelude to War by JediNg135
This is Insane.
Talk Directly. Don't Just Put Out What you Want without Talking to the Victim
so bad ass,
which season which episode is this？
Alvin choong season 2 episode is called Pegasus
Good part of BSG: BSG vs Cylon
Best part of BSG: BSG vs Pegasus
Bad part of BSG: BSG vs BSG
Worst part of BSG: Cylons have feeling, too!
Shit part of BSG: God has a plan!
Ian G What's "BSG vs BSG"?
When the people on BSG fights among themselves, such as what happened after they escaped from New Caprica and they started killing the so-called Cylon collaborators.
Ian G Hmmm, I actually don't remember much of that. The 3rd season was mostly *yawn*.
Exactly. Too many emo Cylon scenes. When we watch BSG, we want to see humanity unite against a common threat, overcoming big obstacles, find hope when there is none, and survive together! (example episode: Water.) Not Cylons kissing!
+Ian G I liked all the items on your list except the whole God-did-it crap. Turns out God never really did have much of a plan, or if he did the show completely failed to communicate it to the viewers.
2:16 I wonder why they didn't keep that alert klaxon.
god damn
I was hoping that Adama would have killed Cain himself. She's a psychopath
Spoiler. I was actually glad when that blonde
cyclon actually took her out.
In and of itself this was such a good scene. And I love the music. But in the grand scheme it highlighted a problem the show had. There are less than 50,000 people left, out of billions. That's like a large town. They Cylons are working very hard to wipe out those last 50,000. And the humans are [yet again] turning on each other. If I were the cylons I wouldn't even waste the time attacking them. I'd just stay close enough to keep them tense and let them eat each other.
I know, I know. The show was meant to be a commentary on our modern world and blah blah blah same thing every show does. But in this case it just never really felt right considering what was at stake.
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Admiral Cain was so hot in that scene. Especially when she said I don't take orders from you.
They would nuce each other in the end both ships would be dsetroyed.