Battlestar Galactica | Pegasus Vs Galactica
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- Pegasus and Galactica almost engage in a civil war over Admiral Cain's unfair trial of Adama's men, Helo and Chief Tyrol.
Season 2, Episode 11 "Resurrection Ship, Part 1" - The conflict between Galactica and Pegasus reaches epic proportions, and a power struggle and a calamitous battle loom.
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I enjoy that the Vipers went from a clusterfuck to an organized attack formation in about three seconds as soon as someone said there was a Raider.
Human behaviour in a nutshell, we fight with one another and only unite with eachother against an unknown aggressor.
Just love the view from Karas perspective.... She must be like omg im dead now xD
@@TheCaptainCrack 'When me and my gang pull upppp! You better get running!' 😂
It's a family dispute; any outsiders get mobbed.
It shows that it is human nature to be tribal, and its the reason that multiculturalism and open borders with the dissolving of nations under the power of a few globalists is doomed to failure. Without feeling like they are on one team with a common rival, there is no cooperation and everyone starts fighting among themselves. Mono culturalist ethno-nationalism creates unity and with unity you create prosperity. And different groups can work together towards a common goal by encouraging pride within the tribe to be a motivator. This was seen even in antiquity, where mercenaries were rightfully split into different fighting groups according to their culture of origin and set to compete with one another on projects to attack the enemy creating a friendly rivalry. One-world melting pot is doomed to failure and is against human nature.
Saul both disparages and commends Starbuck in the same breath haha.
Came down here to say this very thing. No one else can do surly compliments like Colonel Tigh!
As a military commander he acknowledges that she violated orders...again. That's his duty kicking in. On a personal level he also acknowledges that it's her reckless nature that get's them out of messes by not following orders sometimes - including this one.
Concentric circles
Thanks the Gods
like ya do
Fun Info: For those who don't read the BSG comics and novels, Admiral Cain (while using the Pegasus) ended up actually losing in the war games repeatedly against older smaller Battlestars. The reason? Because she was incredibly inflexible, and not able to adapt to changing/unconventional tactics. She was too by the book. Other Captains, and ship commanders secretly made fun of her for inability to win with a larger more modern ship.
Also, we find out that even though it's almost twice as big as the Jupiter class, the Mercury class's extra interior is mostly taken up by fabrication facilities (not weapons). So being bigger in this case is not necessarily an advantage. The Mercury class was considered a "test-bed" for new technologies (like on-board Viper factories), but was never intended to be mass produced as it was absurdly expensive. So only a few were made.
Many Admirals considered the Mercury-class to be bloated, and preferred the smaller and cheaper Valkyrie-class (and older Jupiter class refits). Being posted to a highly expensive Mercury-class was considered a "prestige" post (but one with no fleet command authority). The Fleet Admirals stuck Admiral Cain on the Pegasus to "honor" her, but secretly they all thought she was crazy and unfit for commanding large fleets. They wanted her someplace where she wouldn't be able to make important decisions.
omg thank you for all of this! I didn't know and it adds so much to the story!
Damm but then why the heck is she a flag officer they are dumb lol
A fellow lore officienado
That all makes so much sense lol 😂
And when they all got their asses nuked, Cain was the one laughing, at least for a little while.
Love the difference in reaction in Adama and Cain when Starbuck jumps in. Adama "Identify." is simple, effective, "Let's deal with this new problem right now." Cain on the other hand takes time to chew out one of the crew for not detecting it sooner.
Exactly! The more I watch those episodes the more you notice. Everything Adama and Cain do is perfectly in their character, and the reactions of their crews too
Adama has like 5x the combat experience Cain does.
This is in line with Adama hinting she got her rank due to some favoritism. "Very well connected."
The sign of a better leader. A problem comes up and he is upset at the person who caused it, priority one is dealing with the problem at hand. He can chew them out over it later. Adama's concern is over the safety of the fleet and his people, Cain's is over her authority and losing prestige because her crew didn't spot a Raider.
@@stevenschiro1838 Watching it again, I'm struck by how slow on the draw she is. Adama has the action down to a reflex, while Cain has to _think_ about what to do. And she reacts in a way that show's she's in _way_ over her head.
You gotta love Apollo in this scene, he was like: "how do i stop these fool's from kill us all? Oh, i know I am just gonna throw all of them onto Starbuck, she can take them!" XD
I love how Col is relieved instead of furious that it's just Starbuck on "another one of her crazy stunts"
Such a great character
I just love that exasperated look on Kara's face when she jumps back and witnesses the passive-aggressive furball that's going on between the Vipers of Galactica and Pegasus. "I was gone for ten minutes ffs..."
Or the look when she realizes why EVERY viper is now headed her way
Lee smiles for he knows, one way or the other, he’s gonna wreck Pegasus.
He decided to go for the long cold revenge i guess.
@@riccardogemme
That's when the dish is served best
Fucking legend comment 😂😂
Congrats, you legit made me lol a little. That's a rare achievement.
Cringe.
Beautiful shot when all the Vipers rotate to engage the "Cylon"
Yes
What they hell they can't even fly straight in this series, original BSG space fight scenes killed these lame space battles if you can call them that!!
They all turned to engage
2:53 Michelle Forbes looking at cue cards😁
@@Briscom that’s how physics work in space my guy
In the original script, the vipers were supposed to actually shoot at each other. But Moore decided that would be a step way too far. The crews would never be able to work together after that.
"We are all friendlies! So lets just be....FRIENDLY!"
Kara Thrace always had great script from the writers. Katee Sackhoff has her own TH-cam channel. She gets together with her pals and some crazy funny stuff happen.s Very clever woman with good self esteem. Takes care of herself it appears.
My favourite part of this scene
0:55 I love Apollo's face when he gets pulled on. Like, "dude, that so unnecessary!"
I love that little acting bit, I never gave Apollo's actor enough credit during its original run
Given Apollo's seat-of-the-pants style, his propensity for pulling his own weapon on fellow officers, and his personal connections to both the Galactica itself and her captain, wouldn't you do the same?
Great example where a common enemy causes humans to set aside their differences
sadly without external threat everything always end in infighting
What happens at 3:10 when all ships reorient is on of the most perfect moments in Sci Fi. Ever.
I love that shot where they all change course to engage the "Raider," they just drop everything.
"His wingman kept requesting permission to fire; somebody screws up in a situation like this, we're going to be in the biggest naval battle since the Jutland."
-Admiral Josh Painter, "The Hunt for Red October"
This line went through my mind watching this scene.
Most if not all of the fighting in this series is inspired by real world battles and tactics. Mostly from WWII, but that was probably an inspiration as well
3:11
That's one of my favourite moments in the entire series. I love how both groups of fighters are prepared to start shooting holes in one another, but immediately turnabout face and group together to engage the enemy.
Love the music
"BREAK RIGHT, FULL POWER, X-AXIS CLIMB"
It's very human. We are a violent people, but when we have a common enemy we suddenly band together.
They were about to destroy themselves, but they would be damned if they let the Cylons do it for them
@@Quackerilla "ON MY LEAD"
I just noticed that they only picked up Blackbird on DRADIS because it transmitted a message, which is also why they couldn’t immediately ID it. As Kara said “It’s a frakin’ stealth ship”
I love Saul’s face @ 1:45. Great acting! Despite the alcoholism and all the other struggles, Saul is a dutiful officer and Bill’s best friend. He just stands quietly at the ready. He knows if Bill gives the order, it will destroy humanity and yet he is ready to execute without hesitation. Unlike Cain’s officer’s who follow out of fear, Galactica follow Adama out of respect, brotherhood, and mutual caring.
To me his face reads, "Would Bill really give such an order?" Truly not knowing the answer given neither of them have been in a situation like that before.
@@Sup_Mate Did you even watch the series???
@@GoLakers3900 Do you have a point?
What about my comment gives you the impression that I haven’t seen the series?
3:03 - it's so satisfying to see them joining hand to hand in the end the moment they heard the "cylon raider" was on top of them xdd
The mark 2 vipers from Galactica vs the mark 7’s from Pegasus was a nice touch. Under scores the tech difference between the battestars while making it easier for the audience to track who is who.
I love the way the radio messages sound, just that right amount of garbled to make it sounds cool but still understandable.
There's just something so emotionally amazing watching the Vipers, that had previously been flying around in utter chaos and threatening one another, all turn in concert and then fly together as one unit against their perceived common enemy. A statement of common humanity and a recognition that the pettiness of the conflict of the moment is insignificant to the threat we share. There's a lot of something there, methinks.
SO SAY WE ALL.
SO SAY WE ALL
"Starbuck to all Vipers! DO NOT FIRE. REPEAT, DO NOT FIRE! I am a friendly, okay? We're all friendlies! So let's just be.... friendly!!!
🤣 Classic Kara Thrace!
LOL. So FUNNY !!! Was laughing full belly laughs at the end of this scene.
I pitty whatever aliens end up trying to enslave humanity. This is a perfect view of human nature, when you interrupt our internal in fighting, we get pissed and all unite just long enough to take out the threat then return to infighting. You don't interrupt humanity's infighting lmao
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake - Sun Tzu's Art of War
Well they did not interrupt dude. They waited for years and when the perfect moment came, cylons destroyed all colonies lol.
And it's that thinking that got you in trouble
@@khanjare Talking about the scene not the entirety of the show lol. In the heat of the moment they thought the stealth ship was a cylon raider, thus, they thought the cylons were interrupting their little pegasus vs galactica scuffle, and no matter how much they hate each other, they hate the cylons more. Please think before commenting haha.
@@khanjare re read the fracking comment you toaster XD
This show (at the very least the first couple of seasons) was a masterclass in science fiction and story telling.
this part 3:06 always gives me chills
watching them join back up again as a team
One of the few times Saul Tye (sp) is glad that Starbuck is as crazy as she is and the she disregards the rules the way she does.
For those of you wondering how those Vipers were doing tight maneuvers without colliding, each fleet command, meaning all Vipers from the same Battlestar have auto proximity avoidance system. This is for tactical purposes during combat engagements where the last thing you want to worry about is bumping into your wingman. It's also designed to prevent friendly fire from making contact. This system can be manually turned off, at the discretion of the fighter pilot. Please note, all vipers from Galactica and Pegasus had their proximity avoidance system active. They never intended to shoot each other, which the director purposely didn't inform the viewer to falsely heighten the stress tension.
This makes zero sense. The pilots are requesting "weapons free" and if that would be granted they would shoot.
@@Dakkar154 but until the order came they wouldn't want to collide and gave the pilots start shooting cause they lost a couple friends to everyone's fancy movement. This was literally the space version of pawns being shuffled around the chess board without anything being taken
Imense attention to detail. Love it.
It's not that they didn't want to fire, it's that none of the pilots wanted to be the *FIRST* to shoot since whoever did would be the instigator in a shootout between both the Vipers and the two Battlestars supporting them (since they both had their main batteries locked on each other) which, in the long term, would only have served to weaken the Fleet as a whole.
"They never intended to shoot each other, which the director purposely didn't inform the viewer to falsely heighten the stress tension."
Uhhh no. Literally at 0:10
"Kat, Galactica. Do not fire unless fired upon. I repeat, do not fire unless fired upon"
and 0:42
"Dark 2..? (I honestly cant make out his call sign), Pegasus. Do not fire first"
Well written script, well written music, wonderful acting, and an imaginary F word. Best frak'n show ever
2:55 this scene was produced by *Newtonian Physics Gang*
If there's anything this show got right, it's the physics of space dogfighting.
Just wait till you watch the expanse lol
@@PlaneBoy2520 Oh i have, and I love it
@@PS-mw9cc same! Tbh I prefer it to BSG, since it’s nice having entire nations behind each military action. And the entire world just feels so lived in!
What a great show. I can't believe it's over 10 years ago. My God does time fly.
20 mate, 20
@@TheHypernaught the miniseries premiered about 20 years ago (2003 I think) but the series ended about 12 years ago now. Maybe 11, too lazy to look it up.
As a military officer this scene is actually quite painful to watch. In the last episode both Adama and Cain steeled themselves to launching their squadrons at one another. Amazing military decision making by both, snap decisions.
Here, just minutes later, those squadrons are both flailing as they approach and must react to one another without clear mission or rules of engagement. The pilots call back for direction, for permission to engage. Response from both CICs: absofuckinglutely nothing. Putting your troops out on a dangerous ambiguous mission, without a clear understanding of what they are and are not authorized to perform….and sitting there while in weapons range of the enemy…with no guidance. CICs fail. Neither Adama nor Cain, thankfully, could in fact threaten the existence of the fleet as a whole over the lives of two crewmen.
@@TheCoolCucumber, good comment, and I had to ponder for a few days the best way to respond. What I think that pair of episodes shows, and some later points such as Adama giving Tyrol a pass because he is essential, is that both in current military culture, as well as even more so in a fractured society like that, is that yes we in military swear allegiance to a nation and body of orders and regulations, but too often are tempted to set aside those when there is a conflicting loyalty to the team that weighs more. That kind of situation isn’t always problematic but can lead to instances such as here or to real world news reports where units are obviously not abiding by the rules of engagement because they felt it was the only way to preserve the team or mission from failure or losing battle buddies.
This was the very height of the show. Fantastic writing, the very best and tense in sci-fi TV. I love it. So. Much.
Humans...close to extinction and still fight each other.
Unfortunately this is probably what it would’ve looked like in a similar scenario. Survival and morals don’t exactly mix
One of my favorite scenes of all time as we join together to fight a common enemy.
Rewatching this, "Thats no raider that's that stealth ship of yours! Whoever's flying it wasn't cleared to launch!" Gee ya think? Like, even if it was cleared to launch how would he know? Hell no one on Pegasus knew Galactica cleared anything to launch until they showed up on dradis.
True but he was specifically referring to an earlier scene when they were planning the recon mission he and Lee are on. Lee and Kara recommended using the Blackbird (because you know it's a STEALTH SHIP made for recons) but Stinger shot the idea down and wanted to use a Raptor instead. The reason Cain removes Stinger from being CAG is because they managed to launch the Blackbird and do the recon mission without his knowledge.
the blackbird was stationed on Pegasus when Cara took off with it.
3:06
Like a comment once said:
This situation is perfect for this quote: The Colonials hate each other, but they absolutely LOATHE the Cylons.
2:25 I can watch that scene over and over again
Such a great episode :)
The three episodes that introduced the Pegasus are my favorite in the show. ITS SO GOOD!
Who needs Cylons when you can kill each other
Always makes me smile, up and down the line.
lol that derpy Lee thumbnail
All these clips are making me want to watch the show
have the complete DVD Boxset and do a rewatch like 3 times a year.
Its just one of the most awesome Sci fi shows of all time and the acting is just on point.
Espacialy EJO does a great job as Adama.
@@Knuspermonster Better: the blue-ray set!
Another one of her crazy stunts..thank the gods :)
Let me be the first to say I AM COMING FOR MY MEN
3:11 to 3:16, beautiful.
That's one way to bring Vipers to work together, just present a possible Cylon raider into the mix
Best TV Show ever ... still in 2022
Best scifi series EVER.
False, original BSG is the best, this is a steaming pile of turd!! They can't even fly straight in any of the so-called space battles!! Firing bullets instead of lasers, seriously??
@@Briscom The original BSG was more of a Star Wars -ripoff- tribute. The new show is a child of 9/11 ("The enemy is amoung us!", "Who can you trust!?", "NO ONE!!").
Ron D. Moore himself he wanted to make the new version of the series more "realistic". Hence why all the ships obey Newtonian physics and why fighters act like they are flying in space and not atmosphere.
The Expanse gives it a run for its money.
Kinda nice attention to details the editing/postedit had there, for the stealth-ship was undetected until Starbuck replied (which would ping an active signal away from her ship)
were friends. lets all be friendly.
just imagine coming to seeing the last of humanity nearly kill each other.
3:00 "On my lead !"
As long as secondary character goes, Kat was awesome.
great tv show, going to watch it again i think
"Can't we all just get along?!?!" -Rodney King 1992
DANG.Why sooo cold ???!! LOL.
3:13+ is EXACTLY the right image. The Colonies all in one straight line doing exactly one thing TOGETHER. 13 of them? One right answer.
A perfect example of how a common enemy shared can unite two broken factions like this. The Pegasus and Galactica crews were claws out and literally asking for permission to shoot each other until what they believed to be a Cylon showed up, and immediately they unified to face this threat.
My favorite role that she ever played.
Michelle Forbes? I don’t think I’ve seen her much other than this and as Ro Laren.
I love these clips 🥰
Michelle Forbes as Admiral MFKING Cain was AWESOME SO SAY WE ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By far one of the most tense moments. I wonder which ship would actually win? or more accurately, which crew?
Probably Galactica, Cain was apparently known for underestimating and losing to smaller older battlestars during war games
@@Arbitraryshoe49 yeah, plus if galactica gets above Pegasus, then 12+ guns can fire on Pegasus vs only 4 guns that can fire upwards. Plus I’m guessing that Adama is prolly aware of the advantages and disadvantages of Pegasus and galactica. still how would it play out I wonder?
@Fabian Kirchgessner but how do we know if she’s gonna win against the galactica, a ship made to take multiple nukes, railgun shots and missiles all in one battle? with a war veteran at the helm and multiple gifted pilots? personally I believe galactica. Pegasus may be bigger and have more guns, but if galactica gets either behind it or above it, it’s a done deal over with
@Fabian Kirchgessner except a few things, Adama is unpredictable, mostly unconventional, and Pegasus has barely any if any at all weapons facing upwards, if galactica gets above Pegasus, or behind then its over. plus from what I’m aware, mk 7 vipers typically are easier versions of the mk 2 to fly. doesn’t mean that the mk 7 pilots are better than galactica’s due to a bit of better tech. It’s the pilot behind the stick.
@Fabian Kirchgessner I know that galactica space combat follows more realistic expectations, but seriously, if galactica gets above Pegasus and they can’t manoeuvre quick enough, then galactica will deal massive damage. And really, no matter what angle they fight at, both ships will deal massive damage to one another. But I’d take an old man who’s crew is tightly nit, with what? 30 years+ military experience over a hotheaded adm cain and her near too regimented almost emotionless goons of pilots.
but really I’d say in a 2D plane field, I think it’s really close.
Kara Thrace (Starbuck): what the hell is going on?
Me and the bois: nothing to see here, just some random Viper party going on here.
Lloyd Bridges played the original Commander Cain from the original BG series. He was the equal to Commander Adama played by Lorne Green.
Cain was more like Gen. Patton to Adama's Gen. Eisenhower.
Best part of that episode:
Cylon Pilot: _"Sir, if I may... "_
Baltar: _"Quiet, Centurion! I don't want to miss the view of the last battlestar's destruction."_
Cylon Pilot: _"Sir, I really think you should take a look at the other battlestar."_
Baltar: _"What are you babbling about _*__*_ It's IMPOSSIBLE!"_
Cylon Pilot: _"No, it is a battlestar."_
Looks like Admiral Cain picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
Lloyd Bridge's Admiral Cain wasn't an unbalanced nut job like Michelle Forbes played her version.
He was distraught over his wife's death when he met Casseopeia & that is what drove him after the cylons.
@@STSWB5SG1FAN And if you heard that in the cylons harmonic voice....
Can't wait to get this on Blue Ray. I tried to watch Stargate Universe but it was hard to follow the story.
Stick with it. It's one of the greatest television shows ever made.
It’s a great blu-ray set! Hope you’ve watched it that way by now.
BSG is a thousand times better than Stargate: Universe.
"Let's just... be friendly!"
This situation shows us as humans, perfectly.. we will fight eachother over almost nothing but when a real threat comes.. we smarten up real quick (or atleast a perceived real threat)
Those vipers were like a spirit animal to the Balkans. Like a swarm of angry hornets fighting each other to the moment a turkish walks in.
Man I loved KAT! Starbuck light.
Thank the Gods!!!!!!!
ensign ro became an admiral look at that
3:15 is as Right as the Rain on the windshield of my viper../ all as one Force on ward../
YAY FOR STARBUCK! =D
Non binary buck in the reboot by the way.
No one cares about this fake Starbuck
Power rangers where approximately near same year as Starship Troopers. I was preping for Gundam deployment, in acknowledgement of the parasite situation similar to mystarfox days on deployments in different area.
Haven’t they uploaded this scene already but with a longer version
yeah they did 6 month ago
@@davidbricejr.7340 link ?
Tense.
The more I watch this, the more I notice details. And now I really wonder, what is the "vertical cross" and why do you need to request your mothership before executing it ?
It's like a horizontal cross, only more... up.
Delta Flyers also it is our trade mark. Yes you have to unlock the ship, and be able to repair it.
Yeah we are friendlies.
Interesting the actor that played hotdog was one of Edward James Olmos's real sons,even if fiction both of them must have been seriously stressed during these episode,I remember a later podcast where Edward was excited but nervous for his son,reminds me of being on team,when the father was coaching one of my teammates,it was like get fried like a hot dog on 7-4th,lucky we had alot of Gatorade,and pills to chill us out,that was a very tough soccer game,and league,lucky I only hurt my knees playing defender,than goalie
SGUniverse is an Andromeda Tier Spacecruiser.
If Maverick was in BSG, Peg's vipers would be toast
Allegedly an old friend.
Good scene. Except for the one Galactica pilot who kept requesting weapons free. Hothead was just so anxious to start a war between the few humans left and destroy their only defense against the cylons.
Spartan CLASS. OLder spacejet modeL allegedly from The Klingon front Line which is past Tatooine. East of Balmora.
They only got a dradis contact after she sent the message.
People do swoop bike racing on Narshada.
This was a great episode full of drama but a missed opportunity. Jain should not have been killed off but should have become a rival, sometimes friend sometimes foe popping up from time to time throughout the remaining series. I always thought the same thing about Star Trek. Whichever iteration the Enterprise needed a rival ship and crew like the Excelsior.
Nope Cain was off her rockers insane war criminal and needed to die for what she did to her civilian fleet, to Gina and to her crew
I Know!
But Adam diver was near me in a Cruiser...
I was on sight when my Pegasus Rocket Liifted me... I Did evasive tactics upon realization I was Blind after Police were swatting me, and I Eye Blasted six Planets from Earth...
Just a question that popped into my head: if the Blackbird is a stealth ship with no transponders active, one that just flew pass a Cylon fleet incredibly close undetected mere minutes ago, how did it appear on dradis?
Picked up the transmission between Kara and Lee. It's encrypted so no one could read it, but it was still a signal that just got broadcasted from right next to the fleet. Starbuck wasn't trying to talk to the Cylons but she did respond to Apollo's signal. It was only after she responded that the Battlestars picked her up.
Raptors....
Are they like AWACS?
I didn't think they carried weapons except when they are mounted
They have FTL unlike Vipers, so Recon, ECM, transport and general combat support. Could be mounted but weren't fighters. AWACS mostly handled by the battlestar obviously.
They can act as gunships if outfitted for it, but otherwise they usually act as Electronic Warfare craft. Any AWACS type role is usually carried out by the Battlestar they were deployed from since it has a significantly more powerful DRADIS and C2 capabilities.
Just what we don't need inflexible commanders,especially on space warships,since both Pegasus,and Galactica carried warheads 10x more lethal than ones we've now in 2023,the cylons just get Cain to launch her missles on us here on our earth,and we,and the colonials would be fried,then in the 1978 series baltar would be the last human,even in 2008,unless the cylons let him live.
No I'AM on two series on watch...
The Area.
T85-Wing.
We done service together. I was clearing out the areas nearby on HALO test deployments, and Power rangers prototype tests... and starlight tests with HALO tier soccer's. I'AM on fire usually inside my Spaxejet... my ability activates as registered with Sergeant Kimmy of NASA. Starship Troopers are deployment in future... 2354 years from now...
And SG-1.
One of these days...I'll understand why Kat was ever cast...all she does is shout when in the cockpit. However, today is not that day. GALACTICA THINGS AREN'T WHAT I'M EXPECTING! GALACTICA I THINK I'M BETTER THAN STARBUCK! GALACTICA MY NOSE IS ITCHY! GALACTICA AM I SHOUTING LOUD ENOUGH?
Tootsieroll.