Rebutting a Heretic on Mary, Mother of God (Re-upload)
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- In this episode, Trent sits down with fellow apologist Joe Heschmeyer to critique Gino Jennings’ attack on the doctrine of Mary being the mother of God and show how the denial of proper Mariology leads to heretical Christologies like those of Pastor Gino.
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Pastor "If I shout at the top of my lungs it makes my arguments true" Gino.
Protestant here. This "Pastor" is a false teacher. He even declares himself the title of "Apostle." That alone should be a red flag to anyone. As a Protestant, I have no issue declaring Mary the mother of God, as ALL Christians should! Calling Mary the mother of God is more about JESUS than Mary. The problem with radical reformers is they sometimes try too hard to distant themselves from Catholics rather than just staying true to early church teachings and most importantly, Scripture. Sola Scriptura simply means Scripture is the highest authority, not the only authority. Therefore, Mary is the mother of God. I consider Catholics Christian, I don't consider Oneness Pentecostals such as this pastor Christian since they deny the Trinity.
Don't forget to ask your adoring fans/relatives "AM I RIGHT?!" as if anyone would say no.
This debate HAS to happen. He stood in front of his congregation and said he would become Catholic if he was proven wrong. That’s a soul that needs to be corrected. What a blessing that would be.
Those are severely prideful and by the way only care about money by becoming Catholic he will not be praised as if he is another god and wouldn't make tones of money
Pastor Gino next Sunday: "I WILL BE ENTERING RCIA THIS FALL"
@@DoctorDewgong more like “welp… we’re all becoming Catholic now…”
@@DoctorDewgong quote-----Pastor Gino next Sunday: "I WILL BE ENTERING RCIA THIS FALL".. unquote
Why not on the Sabbath???
@@harleydavidson4247 quote---- more like “welp… we’re all becoming Catholic now…”.. unquote
LOL--ROFL-LMAO
NOT HAPPENING!!!
#1--Where in the Bible does God REST on the first day of the week to make that day special?
#2--Where in the Bible does God BLESS the first day of the week to make that day special?
#3Where in the Bible does God SANCTIFYthe first day of the week to make that day special?
#4--Where in the Bible does God give a name the first day of the week to make that day special?
#5--Where in the Bible does God DECLARE the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special?
(Sunday keepers don’t realize that when they keep Sunday holy they are making a day holy that man ordained, not God, by doing that they have violated the 2nd commandment by making an image, they also violate the 4th commandment and the 9th commandment by lying about the Sabbath being changed to Sunday. I’m sure you could find a few different commandments that are broken by keeping Sunday. That’s why the Bible says if you break one commandment you break them all. Please open your eyes brothers and sisters that keep Sunday before it is to late!)
#6--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary prayed to/with beads.
#7--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary went to/ will go to heaven.
#8--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary is an mediator/intercessor.
#9--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary remained a virgin all her life.
#10--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary did not sin.
#11--Quote the Holy Bible that says a mere man is Head of the church.
#12--Quote the Holy Bible that says there are popes in kingdom.
#13--Quote the Holy Bible that says we are to confess our sins to a
priest.
#14--Quote the Holy Bible that says there is an "one holy Apolistic church?
#15--Quote the Holy Bible that says the seventh day is not the Sabbath.
#16--Quote the Holy Bible that says Rome is where Jesus will have His headquarters.
#17--Quote the Holy Bible that says Peter was in Rome.
Saying not the mother of God is like denying Jesus is God
Because it is. It is denying that essential truth. We must pray for our Church.
Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners!
Now and at the hour of our death
Amen
@@Harbinger290Saints are not dead, we ask them to pray, and yes indeed they can hear us. Denying they can hear us is putting a restriction on God's power.
@@Harbinger290
People can hear other people
@@Harbinger290 same old refuted argument 🥱
"Bad Mariology leads to bad Christology" SPOT ON! 👏
Thanks for the comment! -Vanessa
As a former protestant, now Catholic, I knew that Mary is the mother of God. I can not believe some protestants deny this. This heretic is one of the many reasons why I left Protestantism and became Catholic.
This is way worse than a regular Protestant. This particular group espouses the heresy of Modalism and believes they’re the original church, suppressed by the Catholics ever since the Council of Nicaea. Oneness Pentecostals are a rabbit hole that people need to be aware of.
To be fair, Jennings is a heretic that believes in modalism and runs his own form of a Oneness Pentecostal restorationist movement that thinks their specific brand is the only true one, because Jennings thinks himself to be an apostle. To even call him a "Oneness Pentecostal" is a bit of a stretch because he has slightly different soteriological views than other Oneness Pentecostals. As a former Oneness Pentecostal, nobody I know would've associated with him.
Praise GOD for your return to the Truth
Exactly. When I was a Protestant, I had no problem with saying Mary is the Mother of God since I believed Jesus is God.
Former protestant here too. Miriam is definitely the Mother of God, and to deny that is to deny the Trinity.
+1 point for the logic, reason, and reasonableness
+1 point for the respectful approach
-3 points for watching TH-cam with autoplay on
This preaching style is extremely effective in communicating emotion and enthusiasm. There's a reason it's still in practice. But this is very hard to do when a subject is nuanced. It's more "display of conviction" than teaching sermon.
WHY ARE MY COMMENTS BEING deleted here? What rules did I break?
@MrRaylaf you use a word youtube doesnt like. Good luck figuring out which one it was.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the out of hour death. Amen!
Amen!
Amen
Chapter and verse?
@@garrettmorano3038 And what's chapter and verse saying that everything must only come from bible?
@@garrettmorano3038 Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
Luke 1:29 "Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you." (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee)
Luke 1:38 "Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb." (blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus)
1 Corinthians 7:34 "An unmarried woman or a virgin is anxious about the things of the Lord, so that she may be holy in both body and spirit." (Holy Mary)
Luke 2:6-7 "6 While they were there, the time came for her to have her child, 7 and she gave birth to her firstborn son." (Mother of God)
2 Corinthians 1:11 "as you help us with prayer, so that thanks may be given by many on our behalf for the gift granted us through the prayers of many." (pray for us sinners now)
Matthew 10:22 "but whoever endures to the end will be saved". (and at the hour of our death. Amen.)😁😁
I notice a pattern here that I also notice with muslim apologists, their target audiences do not seem to comprehend the trinitity on a conceptual level. Yes, you cannot "understand-understand" the trinity, but for most other populations it appears to be a doable task to conceptually understand the trinity.
It’s a fairly simple concept. God is eternal and all encompassing Therefore he can have multiple forms and manifestations. Regardless of how he decides to present himself, he’s still the same thing.
@@borginburkes1819 what you've described is modalism, which is not the Trinity and is in fact heretical. We see multiple times in the New Testament where the Son, the Father, and the Spirit interact with each other.
It's one of the most spiritually deep and complex concepts within the Christian belief system, which explains why so many who are not Christian fail outright to understand it, and why many within the faith also fall to modalism, partialism and tritheism.
More honorable than the Cherubim and beyond compare more glorious than the Seraphim, thou who without corruption gavest birth to God the Word, the true Theotokos, thee do we magnify!
Most Holy Theotokos, save us!
Most Holy Theotokos, pray for us!
That is heretical idolatry.
@@joycegreer9391 Your face is heretical idolatry
@@joycegreer9391 You are heretical idolatry.
@@TitusFlavius11 Hahaha. You're ridiculous.
This is the best way to start the new year 🤣 despite the pastor’s heretical beliefs, it might be the most entertaining sermon I’ve ever heard LOL. Thanks Trent - God bless you!!!!
As a black Christian, it does make for some entertaining sermons, but it’s not worth staying in the heretical church
As a protestant I'm glad you made the distinction between Oneness Pentecostals and Christians in the broader sense. Most of us faithful protestants strongly reject this heresy and do not commune with congregations like such, although we pray and evangelize towards them. And although I have disagreements on the act of prayer and veneration, I am happy to call Mary the mother of the God-Man our Savior Jesus Christ as theotokos.
Question:
1. is Mary the Mother of: a. GOD the Father; b. GOD the Son; c. GOD the Holy Spirit; or d. The Triune God altogether?
2. Is Mary the mother of (whatever you choose from a to b options) spiritually or physically?
b. She is physically the mother of the second person of the Trinity God the Son, Jesus
@@servantofjesus9642 Since jesus is truly man and truly god in one soul, we call christ and Mary giving birth to that one soul
And since Mary gave birth to the Incarnation of christ, that would make Mary the mother of God
"Pop the clutch and get in reverse on my exegesis!" - Trent Horn 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤ Good Stuff. Mrs. Horn is starting to rub-off on you Mr. Horn. 😂
I normally dislike when TH-camrs reupload a video without a good reason but it was good too listen to a classic
A hood classic, if you will
@@alonsoACR Certified?
The only way people deny Mary as the Mother of God is to deny that Jesus is fully the Son of God, the second Person of the Trinity; like Nestorius.
Son of man also. Did Mary birth God the creator are did the creator create Mary? It’s amazing how confused we can get.
@@Harbinger290
You are making strawman arguments here.
We are not saying that Mary gave birth to God the Father, Creator of heaven and earth.
We are simply saying that Mary gave birth to His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ who is NOT just a MAN but is GOD as well. Why do we refer to Jesus as "God" ? Because He has the EXACT SAME DIVINE nature like His Heavenly Father. And the REASON WHY we refer to His Heavenly Father as GOD is because of His DIVINE nature (the word "God" cannot and should not be used to describe any living being that does not have the DIVINE nature).
And so since Jesus also has this SAME divine nature in all its fullness (Colossians 2:9), it is fitting to use the term "God" to describe Jesus as well.
Hence, the expression "Mother of JESUS" invariably means "Mother of GOD" because Jesus is GOD
@@jerome2642 no. You are saying Mary is the mother of God! That’s exactly what you are saying. Don’t say that. Say what the Bible says.
Here’s the biblical path;
Acts 1:14 (KJV) These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
@@jerome2642 The following list is a summation of more heresy. If the Bible is a Catholic book,
1. Why does it condemn clerical dress? (Matt. 23:5-6).
2. Why does it teach against the adoration of Mary? (Luke 11:27-28).
3. Why does it show that all Christians are priests? (1 Pet. 2:5,9).
4. Why does it condemn the observance of special days? (Gal. 4:9-11).
5. Why does it teach that all Christians are saints? (1 Cor. 1:2).
6. Why does it condemn the making and adoration of images? (Ex. 20:4-5).
7. Why does it teach that baptism is immersion instead of pouring? (Col. 2:12).
8. Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9).
9. Why does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11).
10. Why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5).
11. Why does it teach that a bishop must be a married man? (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5).
12. Why is it opposed to the primacy of Peter? (Luke 22:24-27).
13. Why does it oppose the idea of purgatory? (Luke 16:26).
14. Why is it completely silent about infant baptism, instrumental music in worship, indulgences, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass, and many other things in the Catholic Church?
@@jerome2642 Roman Catholic priest have abused millions of children:
Jesus and Paul warned about wolves that would enter the fellowship and present false doctrines. We will know them by their fruits. Well what are catholic priest known for world wide? Pedophilia right!! The RCC is not God’s. Easy to see!!
They are no bishops of God: Titus 1:7 (KJV) For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God (are they blameless).
Report: Nearly 2,000 children abused by more than 450 Catholic leaders in Illinois
May 23, 2034
Andy Carrigan
USA TODAY NETWORK
$3 billion
The average settlement in recent sexual abuse cases against the Catholic Church is around $300,000 - $400,000. To date, Catholic dioceses in the U.S. have paid over 👉👉 $3 billion in compensation to sexual abuse victims.
here’s another of the thousands: The John Jay report indicated that some 11,000 allegations had been made against 4,392 priests in the USA.
A report finds French clergy sexually abused over 300,000 children since 1950.
Staggering. This is based on a very small sample size. Can you imagine the numbers if we could look at every abuse case?
In conclusion we see the fruit of such an abominable religion - Titus 1:16 (KJV) They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate!
You have to admire the passion in the way he speaks. Some might think it impossible for him to become Catholic. But let God do his will because He can do anything.
"Modalism" is best pronounced: "mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodalsim, Patrick!"
Please do a deep dive on Oneness Pentecostals, I’m a former UPCI member who’s in RCIA now and I desperately wanted resources to specifically refute their doctrines. But barely any exist, even though this branch of evangelicalism is growing at an insane rate. So many people are falling for these false doctrines, and I’m not equipped to take them apart just yet.
Its funnier that most protestants get their theology from people like this. I just finished debating a protestant on tiktok who seemed to think the bible fell out of the sky from God, and wasn't compiled by the church 💔
And yet who is to say the cannon isn’t corrupted?
@@tookie36 Every one who believes that the canon 8s the inspired word of God, defined as canon by the church, under the guidance of the holy spirit who cannot teach error.
@@noel_112 and yet we have scribal corruptions. And it’s rational and easy to say there are errors and rational to be a Christian and not a Catholic.
It’s funny to me that you who claim authority over the Bible, disobey it and make up things that aren’t in it. Marian doctrines would be a great example!
@@tookie36 As "scribal corruptions" do you mean different translations of the bible that have been corrupted to fit other doctrines, or errors that we are by medieval scribes when making copies of the bible? Those can easily be reconciled.
If you know and understand that the church is true and can't attack her without resulting to strawmen or arguments that have already been refuted, then it becomes irrational to be a "Christian" and not Catholic
"Listen"😂😂😂 Trent had me rolling this whole video!!! In all seriousness though I too am a sinner in much need of God's grace and forgiveness. I pray that Geno and all those he lead astray may one day find truth in Holy Mother Church.
"Holy Mother Church"? Not the church of God the father who is Jesus and male, huh? You've transformed Mary into a Goddess and want others to worship her as you do. Nothing new from the Romans and pagans who were worshipping the great goddess Diana instead of God.
I need you guys to talk like this more often.
You made mention in the video of Oneness Pentecostals not being an insignificant sect that should be dealt with, and I agree. You should do more videos rebutting Oneness apologists. A great example would be David K Bernard; he has a series on the UPCI TH-cam channel called “Apostolic Life” where he tries to explain his theology and it’s so ripe for an analysis and breakdown.
As a former Oneness Pentecostal, I second this. Most videos defending the Trinity overly focus on the deity of Christ (which should also be defended) and not enough on distinction of persons. Also, an important thing to note when dealing with Oneness Pentecostals is they often severely misunderstand Trinitarian theology, and that is often a big part (not the only factor though, of course) of why they reject the Trinity.
@@someoneelse7351 my entire family is UPCI, I just came to The Church earlier last year, and yeah, even Bernard himself massively misrepresents and outright LIES regarding Trinitarian doctrine. He quotes *Alexander Hislop* of all people in Chapter II of “The Oneness of God” and cites him as a source for The Trinity being pagan:
“Trinitarian scholar Alexander Hislop asserts that - the Babylonians worshiped one God in three persons and used the equilateral triangle as a symbol of this trinity. In his book, Hislop shows pictures used in ancient Assyria and in Siberia to represent triune divinities. He also finds trinitarian ideas in the Babylonian cult of the father, mother, and child, saying that the Babylonian trinity was "the Eternal Father, the Spirit of God incarnate in a human mother, and a Divine Son, the fruit of that incarnation."”
He’s ignorant at best, and intentionally, misleadingly and maliciously dishonest at worst. I don’t know how anyone trusts that guy. I feel no remorse in dubbing him a son of Satan.
@@zunir0a My family is as well. I’m still discerning the true church but I’m leaning toward Eastern Orthodoxy. Bernard also claimed in chapter I of “The Oneness view of Jesus Christ” that the Cappadocian fathers said that the three divine persons were one God in the same way that Peter, James, and John were all human. He doesn’t quote anything for this or even site a source. The closest I could find was in “On not three Gods” by St. Gregory of Nyssa, in which it is presented as a question to him and he explains how the divine persons are not one in the same way human persons are one.
I’m not sure whether Bernard is dishonest or if he is just getting his information from secondary sources and not bothering to fact check them. But either way people shouldn’t trust him.
Another former Oneness Penetecostal becoming Catholic here, and I agree. I would love to see Trent debate a Oneness Pentecostal, although I doubt Bernard would be up for debate anymore. Even when I was a Oneness Pentecostal I realized that "The Oneness of God" is very poorly written and researched. The fact it's held so highly is indicative of the reality that Oneness Penetecostals are heavily discouraged from reading any Trinitarian literature.
I used to work at a place where there were a ton of people who went to the same Oneness church, and they were so unbelievably aggressive about inviting me to their church, but also super reluctant to enter into any sort of debate! Every time they started pushing their religion I would give a rebuttal and they’d just shake their heads and say someday I’ll learn the truth when it’s too late lol😂
I have wondered for a long time why Protestants always try to reinterpret the Bible, till yesterday. The Protestant reformation came about the same time as the renaissance, human enlightenment and age of rebirth and reasoning.
Well my Protestant brothers, you guys are in for a shock. We know Mary was a virgin, conceived through the Holy Spirit= Jesus got all his human traits from his mother, if we were to get his blood and check his DNA 🧬, 🥁 it would be majority Mary’s blood.
"Bad Mariology leads to Bad Christology." ❤
Question:
1. is Mary the Mother of: a. GOD the Father; b. GOD the Son; c. GOD the Holy Spirit; or d. The Triune God altogether?
2. Is Mary the mother of (whatever you choose from a to b options) spiritually or physically?
@servantofjesus9642
1. What is a mother?
2. Is Jesus a man or God the Son?
3. Are the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit 1 God?
@legrandbwana brother, you didn't answer my question. Besides, the burden of proof is on you cuz when you say Mary is the mother of God, what do you mean by mother, what do you mean by God? You need to clarify. I know you won't answer the questions cuz deep down you know such a claim as Mary being the mother of God doesn’t follow😏
@@servantofjesus9642
A mother is a human woman in whom a child is conceived.
The Word of God (aka the Son of God the Father), who is co-eternal and co-divine with the Father (John 1:1-1:5), took on a human nature through conception in the womb of a human woman (Gospels describe this). That woman (Mary) is the mother of that divine person, who was given the name Jesus. Therefore, Mary is the mother of God (the Son, not God the Father nor God the H.S.). She mothered the PERSON (who is divine but thereafter also human), not the NATURE (divinity). (Analogously, your mother gave birth the person who is you, not your nature, which is human.)
This does not require Mary to be divine, because it's all God's doing, not hers. She has no power in this without God's intervention.
@AmericanBerean with all due respect, you have no clue what you're talking about.
Human birth is, by definition, a physical process. Flesh can only give birth to flesh. God is, by definition, a Spirit (immaterial, non physical), timeless (which means God doesn't have an age cuz he's not made of matter) and spaceless ( God was never constrained in Mary's womb, He is/was everywhere). Understood?
Trent should make a rebuttal video using Pastor Gino's style in April Fool's day. That'll be fun
people would say its racist
*utters the most mind numbing heresy concivable*
DAS RITEEEEEEE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Best mix of sound information from Trent and Joel and comedy from the pastor. Everyone behind him is so sure they are onto something no one else ever thought of. With some more digging and prayer they will understand.
He turns the holy pulpit of God into a minstrel show. Theatrics are not the equivalent of Truth!
@@avarmadillo He is not in a “holy pulpit of God” the question is, does he know what he is doing and intentionally makes a mockery of truth or is he clueless. The arrogance seems to suggest the latter but God is his judge.
Wow they giving us Pentecostals a bad name.
Edit: i have never been to a church where they say mary wasnt the mother of God. We just dont venerate her or the saints. My uncle is a pastor and he told me that when he was in seminary he was taught to preach christ crucified. Cause we were all bought and paid for on calvary
1) Mary bore the Christ
2) The Christ is God
3) Therefore, Mary bore God (1, 2; categorical syllogism)
4) Whoever bore God is the Theotokos
5) Therefore, Mary is the Theotokos (3, 4; categorical syllogism)
So god has a mom?
@@LittleMan-zn1hb Jesus Christ, who is true God and true man, has a mother.
@@georgepierson4920 god has NO MOTHER and has no relatives
@@LittleMan-zn1hbso Jesus isn't God if Mary is His mother?
@@georgepierson4920Jesus lived His life without sin. No man can do this. Jesus came in the flesh. He was not a man.
I always loved the phrase from Elisabeth, "My Lord," it always makes Him so personal. He loved me individually He isn't removed and distant.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.
Amen, a thousand times, amen
This was a certified hood classic!
Happy feast of the Most Holy Mother of God, the Theotokos /Dei Genetrix
Holy Mother of God, please intercede for the conversion of the Nestorians still existing to this day🙏
Dang! Does the Bible say she’s the mother of God? That’s crazy 😝.
@@Harbinger290 yeah? if Mary gives birth to Jesus, and Jesus is God, what does that make Mary? if not the Mother of God, then either Jesus is not God, Mary is not actually His Mother, or the Word of God is wrong.
@@smeggytesters8585 Jesus had a dual nature fellow. You calling Mary mother of God is unbiblical. He was God and servant! How can a human be God’s mother?
Passages such as Philippians 2:6-8 make clear the full deity and full humanity of Jesus Christ, “who, though He was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
@@smeggytesters8585 do you read the douay rheims? Can you send me genesis 3:15?
@@Harbinger290man you are showing some plain ignorance of the Bible. You don’t have to answer things you don’t understand.
This is Pastor Gino Jennings.
He runs an almost cult like church and has offered to debate people only if
they come to his church where his
followers boo the opponents. The guy also rejects the trinity.
He's something else.
I listened to the original video just yesterday. I found this particular episode especially entertaining as well as informative.
O mary conceived without sin pray for us who have recourse to thee
And last week, Gavin Ortlund made all kinds of hay that the magisterium created confusion, so just stick with the Word of God…seems that is exactly what this man thinks he is doing. With the same exact words, he arrives at claims that Jesus was adopted into God.
Gavin should clean up his own mess
Edina Community Lutheran Church Pastor Anna Helgen asked the congregation to stand in “body or spirit” to “confess our faith” in the “sparkle creed,” The church went on to chant a statement of faith in the “nonbinary God” and in Jesus Christ, “who had two dads.”
“I believe in the nonbinary God, whose pronouns are plural. I believe in Jesus Christ, their child, who wore a fabulous tunic, and had two dads and saw everyone as a sibling child of God,” the church recited. “I believe in the rainbow spirit who shatters our image of one white light and refracts it into a rainbow of gorgeous diversity. I believe in the church of everyday saints, as numerous, creative and resilient as patches on the … quilt. Whose feet are grounded in mud and whose eyes gaze at the stars in wonder. I believe in the calling to each of us that love is love is love, so beloved let us love. I believe, glorious God, help my unbelief, Amen.”🤣🤣
I helped my wife convert from this heretical sect. I want to possibly study it more and help others come out of the UPCI and other oneness pentecostal sects. Glory be to Jesus Christ for you all’s work. pray for us Holy MOTHER OF GOD.
Have you ever wondered why Jesus never called Mary “mother”?
At least Gino Jennings made it very entertaining. The ad-libs were awesome.
I have to agree 😂
Can you please do a video that goes in-depth into the Eucharistic Miracles and the science behind them? Especially the one in Buenos Aires, Argentina, 1996 since it was the reason for the conversion of ex-atheist
Dr. Ricardo Castanion Gomez. I think it would be extremely useful to have an entire video dedicated to these miracles in case I ever get into a theological debate.
Jimmy Akin has quite a few videos on Eucharistic miracles! His channel is great!
Happy New Year! Hope to see more videos, subscribers, and converts!
The dream team: Trent & Joe! BHIs crack me up 😂 Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners!
I was meditating on the solemnity of Mary being the mother of God and a thought came to me - God said that man was created to be above angels but because of sin, man lost this privilege. We have heard of angels meeting men but the meeting between Gabriel and Mary was different from every other meeting between an angel and a person. Gabriel started by honoring her, "Hail Mary, full of grace." It dawned on me, Mary is the one person that has ever been shown the privilege of being honored by angels. Why else if not because she was sinless?
She wasn’t sinless. Only Jesus Christ was sinless.
@@doctordubspt91 Read church history and you will discover that the early church fathers considered her sinless and a perpetual virgin. Long before the Holy Bible was canonized and interpreted. Catholic interpretation of Scripture is the ONLY reliable interpretation because the Bible itself was canonised by the Catholic Church. How can you argue that the Church is wrong on the same Scriptures that it canonized itself?
@@Mr.BaSir20 the Catholic Church is wrong on a ton of things, historically and currently. Thank God for Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Ulrich Zwingli. 500 years ago you would have believed that selling indulgences would have wiped out your sins.
@@Mr.BaSir20 also Jesus had half-brothers and sisters. Mary was not a perpetual virgin lol. Matthew 1:25 says that Joseph didn’t consummate their marriage until after she birth to Jesus. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. You Catholics elevate tradition over Scripture which leads to error.
@@doctordubspt91You confuse the Church with the men that sit in positions of its leadership. What people like Martin Luther and John Calvin did was like renouncing citizenship of your country because your president is corrupt. Would you renounce your nationality because your national president is corrupt? If there are corrupt policemen in the police force would you say the whole police force is a corrupt and should be done away with? If a good number of school teachers were pedophiles would you say that the whole education system is corrupt and should be discarded?
The fact that Church does not sell indulgences today should tell you that the problem at that time was not the Church but its leadership.
Mary, Mother of Our God pray for us
"God has no mother, God has no father, we associate none with God".
The man starts by practically quoting the Quran. It's not gonna end well
Hey Trent, what if you rebutted some bad apologetics for a change? I think it would be very helpful to aspiring apologists to know what arguments to avoid.
He can’t rebut bad apologetics because he uses bad apologetics
@@SenorCinemaSuch as?
I’m pretty sure he already has. I’m sure if you search “Arguments to avoid, Trent Horn” there might be some good videos that pop up.
@@SenorCinemasays the uninformed , deceived by this kind of doublespeaki g screamer
Oh, my gosh, this video was so entertaining! Pastor Gino is misguided but a funny dude; and I pray he comes into the fullness of truth within the Catholic Church.
AMEN
Y’all had me rolling! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 especially around minute 43. Especially Trent oh my heck 🤣
I can’t even listen to Pastor Gino’s ramblings. I just automatically tune out when I hear anything presented in that manner of speaking.
If I scream louder my rantings make more sense.
Awesome video so fun to watch, thanks!!!
This is bad for denying Mary's role in salvation but they also deny the divinity of the Son of God.
Mary has nothing to do with salvation. She is the Mother of Jesus in the flesh. The end.
@@user-pg7vw3fe2dcongratulations. You just committed the heresy of Nestorianism
Gino is quite entertaining regardless of how wrong he is 😅
I cannot listen to two broken sentences 🤡
@The Counsel of Trent @Trent and @Joe Heschmeyer Thanks for this rebuttal we need to squash these heretics quick and hard so many fall for these lies from these so called Pastors. Would love for you 2 to tag team or even triple team with @Jimmy Akin more often it's fun and educational for all of us. Thank you and GOD BLESS you both, your brother Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
"Once again we have a little truth meatball wrapped in a spaghetti of lies and errors" -Trent Horn
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Trent is by far my favorite apologist. He just gets it.
#1--Where in the Bible does God REST on the first day of the week to make that day special?
#2--Where in the Bible does God BLESS the first day of the week to make that day special?
#3Where in the Bible does God SANCTIFYthe first day of the week to make that day special?
#4--Where in the Bible does God give a name the first day of the week to make that day special?
#5--Where in the Bible does God DECLARE the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special?
(Sunday keepers don’t realize that when they keep Sunday holy they are making a day holy that man ordained, not God, by doing that they have violated the 2nd commandment by making an image, they also violate the 4th commandment and the 9th commandment by lying about the Sabbath being changed to Sunday. I’m sure you could find a few different commandments that are broken by keeping Sunday. That’s why the Bible says if you break one commandment you break them all. Please open your eyes brothers and sisters that keep Sunday before it is to late!)
#6--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary prayed to/with beads.
#7--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary went to/ will go to heaven.
#8--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary is an mediator/intercessor.
#9--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary remained a virgin all her life.
#10--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary did not sin.
#11--Quote the Holy Bible that says a mere man is Head of the church.
#12--Quote the Holy Bible that says there are popes in kingdom.
#13--Quote the Holy Bible that says we are to confess our sins to a
priest.
#14--Quote the Holy Bible that says there is an "one holy Apolistic church?
#15--Quote the Holy Bible that says the seventh day is not the Sabbath.
#16--Quote the Holy Bible that says Rome is where Jesus will have His headquarters.
#17--Quote the Holy Bible that says Peter was in Rome.
You two need to take your show on the road. Where? On the road!
"That's MOOODALISM Patrick!"
Trent I don't feel the same as you. Far from finding him entertaining I think his hollering is very annoying. That's one reason ( among many) I enjoy you and Joe so much. You're calm, logical and avoid screaming your opponents down. You allow the truth to be loud and clear.
It's pretty simple. Jesus is God, and Mary is the Mother of Jesus. Therefore, Mary is the Mother of God. A child can understand it, but not someone whose intellect is darkened by sin.
I believe it all comes down to having a hard heart, like Pharaoh did. Therefore those Prots don't have the discernment to see that their theology is erroneous.
And I speak from experience being a former Protestant. Until I started to listen to Catholic theologians, & hearing the other side of the argument. Instead of only listening to Protestant hearsay, about Mary.
Now I know Mary is our theotokos 📿🌹🙏🏼
Those statements are all true, and so can the claim Mary is the mother of God. However, the claim that Mary is responsible for the divinity of Christ would be incorrect. Or to say it another way, to claim that Mary is responsible for the origination of the divine nature of Jesus. She was God's elected woman whom he chose to bear His son, and may I add, that is quite the honor to be bestowed upon a woman (perhaps the highest honor). However, it does not stand to reason that Mary is in herself divine, or at least more than any other true Christian would be "Divine," in so much as Christian's now have the holy spirit, whom is a coequal member of the trinity with the Father and the Son.
I think the typical issue that a protestant would take with the title, "Mary the Mother of God," is that it someway puts her on the level of the Trinity, which is simply incorrect. I could go on about my position on praying to Mary, or any other Saint, or Angels (which I personally find to be one of the more troubling ones). However, I don't really want to write out paragraphs to a question which is not really the topic of this video.
Anyways, God Bless anyone reads his comment and Happy New Years!
Isn’t your intellect darkened by sin?
Also it’s even simpler to say Jesus was a created being and Mary was the mother of Jesus and not god. Just bc you disagree doesn’t mean others are lesser than you.
@@tookie36 you don't understand what catholics mean why they say the intellect is darkened by sin. It doesn't mean that they are intellectually inferior. But they are plagued by a kind of spiritual blindness.
@@whitevortex8323 and you don’t have that spiritual blindness ?
I said this on the original video, but I don’t actually believe this letter is real and that the pastor just created a prop for the lecture he wanted to give at church that day.
Sad that these heretics moved into the beautiful Incarnation of Our Lord Catholic church building in Philly.
I cannot imagine what is wrong with all those people who are willing to sit there and be told such serious lies. How much hate must those “preachers” hold in their hearts to so enthusiastically lie about Jesus, our Lord, and His blessed mother? It is fascinating in a horrifying way. Thank-you for your commentary that helped me understand the depth of their ignorance.
That’s modalism, Patrick!
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This is why it's so dangerous to read the bible on your own as many mistakes can be taking when you don't read scripture correctly but us scripture to prove truth but find mistakes in your own mind. 2 Peter 3:16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Be wary of any Protestant who reads the Bible without asking questions to find the Truths.
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You sure were quick to appropriate and assimilate :'D
At this point I remember seeing this episode before, but I love it and keep watching.
every time I think the zombie movement is going to die out it keeps coming back… Please write the book “zombie heresies”. this will be a guaranteed resurrection of popularity.
I like Gino Jennings. He is unafraid and steadfast in his beliefs. But he is many times so ignorant of the meaning of Scripture it's sad.
If he was Charismatic and Orthodox, in line with Christ's Church, given keys to Peter and power to the Apostles, he may end up help saving the rest of the world as His instrument.
@@AJKPenguin True. He has the potential but lacks the humility to avoid leaning on his own understanding.
Great Episode Trent!
To anyone interested, I'm starting a reading session of the Confessions of Saint Augustine on my channel. I'm new to this so I'd really appreciate some love over there ❤
So entertaining and educating. Happy Our Lord's New Year
Just wait until they read the early saints like St Cosmas and St Ambrose calling MARY the shoot from the stump of Jesse!
They do not read
Trent, I have a thought and I was hoping I could get some of your opinions on it. You said Mary didn't have to be free from sin for Jesus. What if she had to be free from sin for her sake? i.e. a normal woman wouldn't survive God becoming incarnate in their womb. I'm picturing God like a reverse magnet. So instead of attracting metal, God pushes away sin with an infinite amount of force. So if God were to appear before me (much less inside me), my sin would be pushed away with such force, that I would suffer somehow (even destoyed), since my sin (and its harm/effects) is tied/mixed up with me. I'm thinking that's what purgatory is for. Because we couldn't exist in heaven with sin and we suffer purging our sin because it's being pushed/pulled out of us, like an piece of shrapnel being pulled out. Just wondering on your thoughts.
Thanks Trent! I'm LDS but couldn't understand how Mary could be the Mother of God in Catholicism when Catholics believe in the Trinity. I didn't know Catholic Trinitarianism holds that Jesus' divine and human natures are not totally separate like what Protestants believe. This video and the replies in the comments section were quite helpful.
Protestants don’t generally believe that Jesus’s natures are separate. I’m sure there are some that believe they’re separate, but most believe Jesus is both fully god and full man
Protestants by and large believe in the trinity
Really appreciate this video..
Happy New Year 🎉 all the best in 2024 ❤✝️🙏
Anyone else see the thumbnail and wonder why Steve Harvey was arguing about Mary?
yup!
That's Modalism, Patrick!
Trent and Joe are the Tag team champs!!
You mentioned: "On the question of Mary being the mother of God, if you deny that, you end up with these kinds of heresies." So, let me get this right, as an Assyrian Christian, we refrain from using this title for a couple of reasons: firstly, it lacks biblical endorsement, and secondly, early church fathers did not universally adopt it. While the title itself isn't inherently problematic, what seems absurd to me is its elevation to an essential biblical criterion. The emphasis on this title as a distinguishing factor between true and misguided Christians overlooks the foundational biblical passages that traditionally determine genuine Christian beliefs.
For example, the New Testament writers emphasized specific criteria for authenticating a true Christian, such as the belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God with two natures (Son of God and Son of man), acceptance of the triune nature of the Lord God, belief in the resurrection, and more. The title "Mother of God" is not included in these essential criteria. The emphasis should be on foundational doctrines that have clear scriptural support rather than placing undue significance on titles that may lack universal biblical endorsement.
COMMON CHRISTOLOGICAL DECLARATION
OF POPE JOHN PAUL II AND HIS HOLINESS MAR DINKHA IV, CATHOLICOS-PATRIARCH OF THE ASSYRIAN CHURCH OF THE EAST
Friday, 11 November 1994
Common Christological Declaration
between the Catholic Church and the Assyrian Church of the East
His Holiness John Paul II, Bishop of Rome and Pope of the Catholic Church, and His Holiness Mar Dinkha IV, Catholicos-Patriarch of the Assyrian Church of the East, give thanks to God who has prompted them to this new brotherly meeting.
Both of them consider this meeting as a basic step on the way towards the full communion to be restored between their Churches. They can indeed, from now on, proclaim together before the world their common faith in the mystery of the Incarnation.
* * *
As heirs and guardians of the faith received from the Apostles as formulated by our common Fathers in the Nicene Creed, we confess one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, begotten of the Father from all eternity who, in the fullness of time, came down from heaven and became man for our salvation. The Word of God, second Person of the Holy Trinity, became incarnate by the power of the Holy Spirit in assuming from the holy Virgin Mary a body animated by a rational soul, with which he was indissolubly united from the moment of his conception.
Therefore our Lord Jesus Christ is true God and true man, perfect in his divinity and perfect in his humanity, consubstantial with the Father and consubstantial with us in all things but sin. His divinity and his humanity are united in one person, without confusion or change, without division or separation. In him has been preserved the difference of the natures of divinity and humanity, with all their properties, faculties and operations. But far from constituting "one and another", the divinity and humanity are united in the person of the same and unique Son of God and Lord Jesus Christ, who is the object of a single adoration.
Christ therefore is not an "ordinary man" whom God adopted in order to reside in him and inspire him, as in the righteous ones and the prophets. But the same God the Word, begotten of his Father before all worlds without beginning according to his divinity, was born of a mother without a father in the last times according to his humanity. The humanity to which the Blessed Virgin Mary gave birth always was that of the Son of God himself. That is the reason why the Assyrian Church of the East is praying the Virgin Mary as "the Mother of Christ our God and Saviour". In the light of this same faith the Catholic tradition addresses the Virgin Mary as "the Mother of God" and also as "the Mother of Christ". We both recognize the legitimacy and rightness of these expressions of the same faith and we both respect the preference of each Church in her liturgical life and piety.
This is the unique faith that we profess in the mystery of Christ. The controversies of the past led to anathemas, bearing on persons and on formulas. The Lord’s Spirit permits us to understand better today that the divisions brought about in this way were due in large part to misunderstandings.
Whatever our christological divergences have been, we experience ourselves united today in the confession of the same faith in the Son of God who became man so that we might become children of God by his grace. We wish from now on to witness together to this faith in the One who is the Way, the Truth and the Life, proclaiming it in appropriate ways to our contemporaries, so that the world may believe in the Gospel of salvation.
* * *
The mystery of the Incarnation which we profess in common is not an abstract and isolated truth. It refers to the Son of God sent to save us. The economy of salvation, which has its origin in the mystery of communion of the Holy Trinity-Father, Son and Holy Spirit-, is brought to its fulfilment through the sharing in this communion, by grace, within the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church, which is the People of God, the Body of Christ and the Temple of the Spirit.
Believers become members of this Body through the sacrament of Baptism, through which, by water and the working of the Holy Spirit, they are born again as new creatures. They are confirmed by the seal of the Holy Spirit who bestows the sacrament of Anointing. Their communion with God and among themselves is brought to full realization by the celebration of the unique offering of Christ in the sacrament of the Eucharist. This communion is restored for the sinful members of the Church when they are reconciled with God and with one another through the sacrament of Forgiveness. The sacrament of Ordination to the ministerial priesthood in the apostolic succession assures the authenticity of the faith, the sacraments and the communion in each local Church.
Living by this faith and these sacraments, it follows as a consequence that the particular Catholic churches and the particular Assyrian churches can recognize each other as sister Churches. To be full and entire, communion presupposes the unanimity concerning the content of the faith, the sacraments and the constitution of the Church. Since this unanimity for which we aim has not yet been attained, we cannot unfortunately celebrate together the Eucharist which is the sign of the ecclesial communion already fully restored.
Nevertheless, the deep spiritual communion in the faith and the mutual trust already existing between our Churches entitle us from now on to consider witnessing together to the Gospel message and co-operating in particular pastoral situations, including especially the areas of catechesis and the formation of future priests.
In thanking God for having made us rediscover what already unites us in the faith and the sacraments, we pledge ourselves to do everything possible to dispel the obstacles of the past which still prevent the attainment of full communion between our Churches, so that we can better respond to the Lord’s call for the unity of his own, a unity which has of course to be expressed visibly. To overcome these obstacles, we now establish a Mixed Committee for theological dialogue between the Catholic Church and the Assyrian Church of the East.
Given at Saint Peter’s, on 11 November 1994.
MAR DINKHA IV IOANNES PAULUS PP. II
I would say that the ecumenical Council of Ephesus of 431 AD was the reason.
Scripture is implicit as well as implicit, & the Apostles & their successors had the power & authority to bind & loose.
He who shouts the loudest knows the least he should be a cheer leader
I Can confess, that I was once like Geno, I’m now done with the theatrics of the Reformed Church, I know now that to understand the fullness of Holy Writ, that Mother Mary… as black people say, PUT SOME RESPECT on Her name.!!
Edit: I’m black lol
Respect
.fine
Bowing down to atatues and praying to her? No
@@thegrigs777Amen 🙏🙏
When St. Mary magnifies “the Lord” it means God, but when St. Elizabeth calls her “the Mother of my Lord” it doesn’t? Reading comprehension really is a gift.
It's people like this pastor that atheists and lukewarm people see and think all religious people are goofballs.
OMGosh this explains so much! My ex-husband listens to this guy. I watched a few of his videos and didn't know anything about his denomination, but I knew he was off in more ways than one! My ex has also recently started denying the Trinity and making many other odd claims that simply aren't Biblical. I'm not catholic, but I am a Christian, and I know there is nothing wrong with recognizing Mary as God's mother since Jesus is God.
This is the strangest church service I have eber seen.
I am as Protestant as it gets. Mary is the Theotokos. It's not up for debate. Not only is it affirmed in the Council of Ephesus, it's in the Bible! "A vergin shall conceive and his name shall be called...'mighty God'..."
This is one of those places where my fellow Protestants honestly just have a misunderstanding. But this is actually an area where Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants can stand together.
As far as I know, they do. High Church Protestants (Presbyterians and Lutherans) agree with a fair bit of Catholic teachings. The low church denominations are the ones that get crazy, especially non-denominationals XD
@@panther-nk2hn lol I'm a non-denominational myself and I said what I said up there. But yeah, you're right. Low churches are the ones that are more likely to pendulum swing too far. But it's fair to mention that Baptists like Gavin Ortlund also would use the terminology.
Hey Trent. When will you return to filming new episodes?
"Steve Harvey, why did you become a heretic attacking the Pope?" - Trent Horn
It is the feast of the circumcision and octave of Christmas.
Merry Christmas. : )
@@AJKPenguin Merry Christmas
This kind of prostentantism is pure entertainment. Nothing else.
I’ve added pastor Gino Jennings to my prayer list for his conversion ❤️
You should write to him and say this
@@DoctorDewgong can you imagine his reply? He might want to fight me!😅😳
@@sheylamercado9801 I'll write to him too. "Just said a Rosary for your conversion to the Catholic faith, pastor Gino! Looking forward to seeing you at Mass!"
@@DoctorDewgong how do we get a hold of him?
I'm sure he's got an email address or PO box. Someone sent him the letter he reads in this video @@sheylamercado9801
Well done Trent and Joe. Gino and team remind me of an old 1960"s comedy variety show. Entertainment may be their calling.
Refusing the divinity of Christ as a baby and little child he refuses to confess the humility of God, which, in this little child transcends all human capability to achieve humility. But God, in his total perfections, transcends that state of the helpless babe, also deigns to come to us in the even more helpless piece of bread we receive at mass. And all this redounds to His Glory, which crushes the pride of Satan, by means of His transcendent, incomprehensible humility.
This pastor is eaten up with unseen, demonic heresies on all sides by means of naturalist heresies---the common problem at the root of almost all heresies found in Protestantism. Satan has devoured him whole, and fed his pride as he turns the holy pulpit of God into a minstrel show.
Clearly, God's thoughts are not our thoughts.
Oh, Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us and all these heretics, and give us and them recourse to thee.
This cracked me up much more than it probably should have.
Trent, please make this debate happen!
This is my favorite episode, just because of the oneness pentecostal’s entertaining voices. And also cause its an important topic
I LOVE both you guys! As as cradle-protestant turning catholic, i learn so much from you both, including how to make unassailable arguments. Thanks!
He sounds like Michael Jai White in the deleted scene of kill Bill
One question has always come to mind when I hear someone say, "Christ Jesus can not be God," and my question has been, "Do you know what being omnipotent means?"
Sometimes, they do, and sometimes they don't.
To place a restriction on The LORD is folley at best and heretical at worse.