My Concerns About The Passion Translation and Brian Simmons
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- We'll look at specific verses that are translated strangely, additions to the Bible, how the Aramaic is used to change the Bible and some concerning statements from Brian Simmons, who is the chief translator of The Passion Translation.
My playlist on the Passion Translation (I kept digging and found even more troubling content) • Exposing The Passion T...
Brian Simmons being interviewed about TPT • Video
TPT's FAQ page where they seem to misrepresent the translation www.thepassion...
An blog about TPT's use of Aramaic - thinktheology....
Brian's response TO the blog (note that he never removed the quotes from Keener and Bird from the FAQ page) thinktheology....
What "Greater works" will we do than Jesus? • Signs and Wonders - Wh...
The Bible says even if an angel from heaven brings to you a different gospel, DO NOT RECEIVE IT. The Bible also says that the heart is decietfully wicked above all
I agree. Biblically, under no circumstances should we all switch to a newly inspired Bible.
Amen🙏
I fully agree but im not sure where your getting that, it does say to test spirits to see if they are from God, but legitimately angels wouldn't give a different gospel but a fake angel would
@@kickstart3974 Galations.1.8
@@kickstart3974 and this happened in Islam. Muhamed even claimed that he was demon possessed after his first revelation. It was kadisha, muhameds wife, trying to console him as he was trembling in terror, that told him he was a prophet. So all of Islam's faith is based on the testimony of a false witness. She wasn't there, there were no witnesses at all
I had these and got rid of every copy!! Thanks Mike! I have been following your videos the past couple months. So helpful. I was previously caught up in the "Bethel movement" and your videos have been so helpful!!!
Since the “Olive” thing at Bethel, I have been rethinking my 30 year charismatic affiliation. Your videos are really helping me to sort through this stuff. I’ve known for several years that something was “off” with the churches that I was a part of and heavily involved in. Now, I am seeking Truth in the word, and have been listening to a lot of your teaching. Thank you so much for your work. God bless.
Amen!!
Me too. That whole thing was so filled with error
Praise GOD! Welcome out! I got out after a few years, but it nearly shipwrecked my faith. God be with you as he reveals His *actual* truth.
I knew God would REALLY use Bethel’s reaction to Olive’s going Home, to wake people up. So excellent. I pray, pray that her poor parents get out.
I’m still charismatic I guess but I no longer follow bethel. I believe healing . But really disgusted by passion translation
The thing that really bothers me and is most concerning is that if what Brian is saying is true, then that means God did not get it right the first time! Imagine God not getting ANYTHING right the first time.
That's what Islam claims happened. The Torah was given by God to Moses but got corrupted, so God had to send Jesus with the New Testament. That got corrupted so God had to send Muhammad with the Quran but THIS time made sure it was perfectly preserved and not corrupted by man (and anything translated from the Arabic is not considered the "Quran."). It's an old schtick of Satan's: here let me "improve" God's revelation (or let me explain what God REALLY meant!) Yes, different translations can choose different English words and expressions but they will not argely change the meaning overall, but anyone adding words not in the original Hebrew and Greek itself is not translating! He's creating new text!
We were going to a church for 4 years who constantly quoted Bethel church, functioned like Bethel, used and encouraged using the passion translation and even have their own School of the Spirit, like Bethel. We left that church recently and now that we are away from it all, this and many of your videos explain ALOT!!! Questions we needed answers to. Dang, so eye opening!!
abc 123 Brain washing the people of God leading the sheep astray,😰
That's awesome...Hallelujah for discernment from the Spirit...Sometimes I wonder if the people who endorse this are filled with the Spirit. Makes me sad to even have to ponder this.
@Dean Agnor explain
@Dean Agnor I’m sorry. I see no *valid* rebuttals. Therein lies the difference. Simmons destroys the text. But this is no surprise, as it has been revealed he lies about his background and credentials. The man is corrupt. I definitely believe he was breathed on by an angel of light, however.
@Dean Agnor there is ZERO defense for what Simmons has done to the text. I need to pray for him, now I think of it. His condemnation will be horrific. It is no small thing to add to, or subtract from Scripture.
The longer I've been a Christian the more I understand the path way is narrow. You know I was struggling with that because it seemed as if there were a lot of believers. But the more life happens I've lost some friendships due to these very same subjects. The fear of God is where some are leaving. Listening to this encourages me to stay in my word and you have been gifted to discern truth from a lie. Same spirit that works in all believers. So thank you for your channel. Praying for our brothers and sister 🙏 the enemy is very active but God won. All who are being decived may God have mercy. Devil wants power these false prophets are a counterfeit to truth. GOD is his enemy. Pray for this guys heart. God's mystery is no mystery to believers.
I feel the same exact way!!
I love you are so graceful when covering these topics. Some people make videos like this but act as if someone who is involved in whatever they are talking about are idiots. Someone who actually is caught up in this and comes to your videos won't click away. In contrast, other people who make these videos may have caused that same person to click away due to the name calling and/or talking down on people.
Great job keep it up!
That entire interview at the beginning is why I’m so skeptical when there seems to be so much emphasis on what happened in a moment of emotion/passion
Hi Mike, great vid. Just rang my sister here in Australia to warn her about the tpt and people in her church are already reading from it and enjoying it. Sadly.
There's a lot of subjective interpretation and added thoughts & principles (hidden agendas) in those words but lack credibility (hence the revealed secrets).
To be honest, he lost me at the beginning when he talks about meeting an angel named Passion.
Thank you for this Ps. Mike Winger.
I really appreciate it.
For real !
Sad how many will easily fall for that, sounds like a new-age-y thing.
Josie Smith it is all the words that this Brian Simmons speaks are key words within the New Age go to Steven Bancarz TH-cam channel he shares a lot about the New Age he came out of etc ......
I just simply wanted to look up reviews to see what this version was, and this was the top video!
Some of the believers I'm around now, have referenced this version and I was curious if it had some similarities to the Message garbage.
Glad i got to see your vid Mike.
Love ya brother.
Oh so similar to the claims of one Joseph Smith, founder of the LDS,/ Mormon church.
He also re wrote the Bible under 'spiritual guidance',
as did the Watchtower society (Jehovah's witnesses).
They both produced their own ' 'corrected' (and corrupted) versions.
Interestingly, Joseph Smith accused the early Christians of deliberately corrupting the Holy Bible, both he and particularly early Mormon leaders were virulently anti Christian.
He produced the book of Mormon, he proclaimed it to be 'the most correct book on earth', (Including the Bible),' and if that wasn't clear enough, their 8th Article of faith states that the Bible cannot be fully trusted.
An interesting video, and as far as the 'passion Bible' goes, simply more of the same, an attack on the integrity of the word of God, the Bible, therefore an attack on Jesus Christ himself and his followers.
Kind regards to all.
That's EXACTLY what I was thinking as well! I use to be LDS I'm so grateful that the TRUE Jesus Christ found me and saved me from deceit!
Indeed!
It's fascinating to see the many similarities between the book of Mormon, the Quran, and these paraphrases. There's this air of long-winded 'over explanation'.
Alex Duncan All Antichrist!
The Gnostics started all of this blasphemy.
Geoff Noyes it’s an attack on the integrity of the old translations not an attack on the integrity of the word of God, that is a complete jump that you just took. Brian knows the original manuscripts have perfect integrity and he translated them with integrity
“For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
Revelation 22:18-19 NKJV
Little do you know about how much the trinity has added
Meliodas I was in a signs-n-miracles r’ us church. God isn’t a liar. He doesn’t lie to us. If, in His Word, He says his Word is complete and that it shouldn’t be added to or subtracted from, I think we can trust Him that He is not misleading us and the He does not whimsically change his mind, as men do. The “Trinity” would not go into a guy’s bedroom and ask him to write a different “Bible”.
Carl Son yeah, I’d have to agree with that. Paul was pretty clear, though, so even though this particular poster used Revelation to make his point, it is absolutely true that we can’t add to the Scriptures
Meliodas The mainstream Bible itself is a hot mess. There’s no way to know what has been added or not. Self righteousness is foolishness.
Logos Logistics That’s a good point. But I wonder if that was the intent of the spirit when that verse was written (especially if the spirit knew that the Bible was going to be made down the line).
Well researched and presented. Thank you for taking the trouble to share these things that truth may prevail. Your ministry is a blessing. Greetings from South Africa.
I think I just watch your videos and I think, “How can I get that smart?” 😂
Like seriously, can you do a video on your methods of study?!
Katie Tennant
I think it’s a matter of constant study and comparison. He excels for the time he practices his studies, everyone can do the same. Everyone can even find and express different things in their own individual way.
Katie Tennant I thought exactly the same thing. Mike is brilliant. I am so thankful for his videos. I have been in tis circle of men and women for a couple of years. Just by listening to all their videos. I don’t live near any of these conferences. But now I am asking God to show me His Truth. I only want the Truth. Honestly. This revelation from several men and and women warning against NAR and apostolic movement has made me afraid of my own discernment. I have been in the Charismatic movement since I have been born again and this actually has broken my heart. But its ok if I get the Truth!!!!
Hi Katie , it appears to me you have expressed the call of ministry on your life by that comment you made. I would advise you to go and do either a Certificate 3 or 4 or a Diploma or a Bachelor Degree in Theology to get a grasp on the different areas Mike covers. This is all covered in a good course on Theology. You can do it by distance ( often online components with teaching videos and forums ect with all the material online and a textbook or two sometimes to get). Go for it girl! You have the thirst for Gods Word.God bless your efforts! Try and make it always your priority. if God gives you the gift He will make a way. DON"T get sidetracked! This is the course I started on. Its an Australian one but anyone could do it. timothypartnership.com.au/
@@debralee9632 What is NAR?
Paula Moreira New Apostolic Reformation
Thank you so much for this very enlightening teaching. I can understand why you are concerned and appreciate that you took the time to 'forewarn' us. I know many young people who are enamored with the Bethel movement and having this overview of the TPT will be super important and helpful to me. :)
Sadly, since this was produced, TPT is available/searchable online via YouVersion and BibleGateway. I tried to convince my former church (the one that produces YouVersion) to remove it but the response was the lead pastor beginning to actually preach from it! In addition to being deceived, does anyone have ideas on why online bibles would even consider using TPT when so many other accountable translations are available? For example, does BibleGateway or LifeChurch get paid to make TP so-called Translation available online?
"...not a [book] that should be tossed aside lightly; it should be thrown - with great force."
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Hello Mike, how are you my friend. I love your sense of humor and allso you livestreams. I am little late but i am gonna catch up. God bless you, Mike. Your are a true Christian.
Mike........I want to thank you for your devotion and passion to unpacking not only theology but to help identify false teachings. You continue to deliver the true message of the gospel, and I for one am incredibly thankful I have found your ministry.
Deuteronomy 12:32
Verse Concepts
"Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.
I had to stop for a second and comment on your cat..he/she is so cool looking. I love the markings on her face. ok..now I can watch the video. got that out of my system and yes from your introduction I will not be getting the passion translation..thank you for all you do to stay faithful.
A demon showed up in his room, hmmmm I hate the Passion Translation, you can say I passionately hate it.
Me too I am passionately against it
Better to call Simmons’ project an “imbedded commentary by a passionate layman,” than a “translation.”
The more I listen to Simmons talk, the more *he* sounds confused about what he's doing...he even sounds unsure at times who he is receiving this stuff from.
I love your ministry Mike! I would love to be a part of something like this, thank you for the work that you do for the kingdom of God! You are a very good willing vessel for God's insights and an inspiration for all of us
Mike, I thank God that you exist...and that you are bold and knowledgeable. It is sad, not only that the Passion version is wrong but also that by adding to the marvellous simplicity of the word, it makes it less awe-inspiring. Nothing I've heard from the Passion version has me in floods of tears, or convicted by truth, or feeling like I am beholding glory. It is ridiculously wordy and self-important.
My gut is what got my attention when I started reading this book. I fought it and I actually woke up from sleeping and was drawn to YT to see if there were any info on it...this is when I stumbled upon your videos. Thank you for always sharing the truth :)
WoW...very " useful" for me.
I had no idea this topic would be so helpful to me in so many ways!
i really pick up so many lil things( that you seem to be sensitive to) that are very important details for me personally...in your teachings.
so many of the things you said are exactly the issues with the JW's and LDS'.
I like that you are so clear and calling specifics out..you are not vague with the points you are guiding us thru.
" adds content that gives a wrong interpretation"
"what could bring you back will NOT bring you back"
I was not expecting this topic to be so deep and rich!
Sounds like his Revelation is coming from the Deciever to imitate and mislead
On a lighter note. No coincidence that pastor Mike's cat strolls up and sits on the passion translation. That's more truthful than passion paraphrase. Don't know if I'd even give it that much credit. Well done cat.
“An angel named Passion” sounds like Muhammad (who met “Gabriel”) and Joseph Smith (who met “Moroni”).
Corinthians 11
Galatians 1
thank you Mike for putting in the effort. this was understandably a taxing endeavor. God protect your word!
I’ve just come across your Chanel as some new to my faith, it’s been really helpful, thank you.
Thank you for this, Mike! I’ve been trying to articulate their terminology forever-it is totally sectarian and puts everyone under the “prophets” & “apostles” good to finally hear someone do so publicly
Oh my God thank you for exposing this heresy. I did not know about this translation. When you put in a verse, this is a tale that is dangerous.
I haven't listened to your podcast yet - and hadn't even heard of 'The Passion Translation' until you mentioned it - but 'lo and behold' a 'word of encouragement' (from this version) appeared in my mailbox this morning, sent from a friend affiliated with Bethel Church. I will therefore be listening with a great deal of interest as you 'dissect' this translation.
Thanks Mike, for always being so pro-active. 👍
Thank you Pastor Winger for all the information you have given here. It has been a blessing! Thank you for your obedience to God's call in your live. For the Glory of Him, and Him alone. May the Lord continue to bless you, your family and your ministry.
Thankfully we are blessed with a wonderful home church, but I'm a bit disappointed because a place we once visited (which we really liked and we know the Lord is there) I have continued to follow online used the passion translation for their last sermon. Super bummed because I can't continue to follow them knowing they align with Bill Johnson's teachings and theology. 😥🤷
Thank you, Pastor Mike, for the truth about the Passion “translation.” It’s very troubling to me but I’m not surprised that something like this would be introduced. The Bible says a time would come when people wouldn’t endure sound doctrine (2 Timothy 4:3).
It’s troubling to me that the writer for the Passion would call himself an apostle. We need to be like the church at Ephesus where they didn’t put put up with false doctrine. Revelation 2:2 - “I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot tolerate evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false;” (NASB 95).
This guy is adding and taking away from the Bible and there are many warnings from the Lord about that including Revelation 22:18-19 - “I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.” Again, Revelation is not the only book that gives this warning. This guy is in serious danger here.
I don’t believe we have any new revelations from God because the cannon of Scripture is closed. I do believe some portions of Scripture are clearer to us today as we near the end of the age.
I like the ESV but my personal preference is the NASB. Speaking of that translation, I want to make a correction in your “Bible Translations: the good, the bad, the ugly.” You mentioned the NASB was introduced in 1995. That was an update. The first complete NASB was 1971 along with four updates with the last update in 1977. For many years it remained that way until the update in 1995. However, unlike the discontinued 1984 NIV, the NASB 1977 is still available. I own a NASB 1977 and two copies of the 1995 edition. I heard that a NASB 2020 will be released next year. I briefly looked at it and I’m not impressed. Thankfully the NASB 1977 & 1995 will still be available.
I think the Passion is beyond “ugly.”
Thank you again for the truth and may the Lord continue to bless you for proclaiming the truth.
Mike, can you make a similar video on The Message?
It was just the end of Shabbat, and I came to see this video on The Passion Translation, the new enemy of the institutional church. I wanted to know what it was all about, and there was nothing better than a review from Mike Winger. It only took me until minute 20:34 to realize that The Passion Translation is very Cabalistic. This interpretation is only for the "awakened", and I loved it! You must search for yourselves the great I Am that we are....
Thank you Mike..God bless for you love Grace and faithfulness to the scriptures and the faith.
I like to use for my bible study "The Amplified Bible"... I use it since August 2000... it enriched my understanding of the Word a lot!
After reading that version of the Bible, my relationship with God got better. Love it!
What version of the Bible? I’m sorry... the Passion?
Oh, wow! The cover design looked vaguely familiar, but I had no idea about this controversy. Thanks for the information. This is very disturbing. He is absolutely dangerous. Hearing him speak, especially about the library/John 22 thing was chilling. Any Christian who hears that should run the other way. What's disturbing is that so many Christians would not run. So many don't have a problem with this Bible or his teachings, even after learning all this information.
Many Christians ( "Christians") are drawn to this "extra revelation" stuff because it's easier. Actually reading/studying the Bible takes time and effort. I have been shocked to learn how biblically illiterate many Christians are. Outside of their favorite comfort verses and whatever bits & pieces they get from pre-made Bible study booklets or hear in sermonettes at church, they don't seem to know the basic theology of their own religion. That's why they fall for things like this, and even get angry when it's called out.
Don't get me started on the, "But God still speaks to people today and who are we to say otherwise? We don't know their hearts" routine. I'll be here all day.
One other thing I noticed in Brian's version is that the bit about the Holy Spirit being the breath of God depersonalizes the Holy Spirit.
I live in Utah. Meh, it’s already been done. Scary amount of similarities to Joseph Smith, as has been mentioned. Minus the extra wives, though. I think it makes up for it with all the religion-esque cliches
I was referred to your video by my nephew Steven. He mentioned on a FB post about 10 thinks he doesn’t like, & TPT bible came up as one of his items. I asked him why & he gave me some very good reasons. And I watched this whole video, & it was very interesting - thank you. I also really like the NLT.
And for your candy question - I guessed GUMMY BEARS (as they ARE the best candy, lol) - so yay me. 😎
I think that The Message is also not for deep studying. At one point, I think I had most of Romans 8 memorized in ESV and then a friend read me part of Romans 8 from The Message translation (but he didn’t tell me it was Romans 8) and I literally didn’t even know that it was the same passage...
Not saying that there’s not some good stuff in there, but “proceed with care.”
The Message is pretty clear that it's a paraphrase, not the Bible - so yeah, don't study it. The NLT does a really good job of being relatable and accessible, while also retaining fidelity to the original, if you like thought for thought translations.
@@Dropaprayer A family I know - who also were under the teaching of eugene Peterson (wrote The Message) - ABSOLUTELY believe it's a translation and NOT a paraphrase. :-(
Makes me sad.
I am shocked. This paraphrase would take both the joy and fun out of Bible study! As soon as you discover the discrepancies, one after another, it erodes the trust. It does indeed remind me of what I have learned about the “scripture” Joseph Smith produced.
some people call it a translation. I call it a transgression!
i feel this translation is so New Age influenced... is the translator have new age background?
Thank you so much for the time & effort you put into this.
THIS video is passion...
Dude, you are so o point! I thank God I found your channel!
Possibly the most important video I have watched this year! Feel like I just dodged a bullet!
whew! thats good to hear
Haha I feel like your smirk when the passion Bible falls over in the beginning is because you can just picture the comments coming in, “It’s a sign from God!” Lol love your ministry, it’s been so informative, God Bless!
Finally they have released an updated amended edition of Anton LeVays 1969 translation. ThankYou Brian Simmons
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Q: Hey Pastor Mike. I was wondering about your comment about 2 Timothy 3:16-17. You mentioned that the authors were inspired and not the words. Isn't the point of this passage in Timothy that EVERY word is God-breathed. I have learned from you to read things as they are and to draw out of scripture instead of putting my ideas in, so i was just wondering how you got that the authors were inspired and not each word of scripture. Also, if the authors were inspired and not the words, then are all the writings of the authors of the bible inspired as well, or only the bible and how do you differentiate? Thank you so much for your amazing work, I have learned so much from you and thoroughly enjoy listening to you. Praise God for the work you are doing in His kingdom.
When I read Proverbs, I realize what foolish sinner I am. That is not boring, it brings me to repentance. Mercy.
I'm willing to bet Bill Johnson is gonna put his seal of approval on this Bible
Yep, Mike said as much here in the video. No doubt this Mr. Simmons and Johnson are getting quite wealthy off these perversions of God's word!
It seems from my preliminary research (and I only just recently heard of this version; I won't call it a "translation") that the author of the TPT uses personal prophecy to judge the Scripture (thus the interpretive flavor of his text) rather than have Scripture judge personal "prophecy". I appreciate those who seek a deeper relationship with Jesus and honor the Presence of the Holy Spirit, but we must take heed to the Word of God. The Scripture tells us to "test the spirits" (see 1 John 4:1; 1 Cor. 14:29; 1 Tim 4:1 etc.). The real point here is, not how we FEEL about any of this, but the TRUTH. The Word of God is the authority (2 Tim. 3:16) so it is important that the Bible version be true to the original text. I believe this is what Pastor Winger is trying to do here.
The use of Christ, Messiah, and Anointed One--aren't those genuinely parallel terms? I am not saying this to prop up the Passion Translation, but because I am genuinely curious about this as an independent issue. As I have understood things, the original term would be the Hebrew Messiah (Mashiach? not sure of the Hebrew spelling off the top of my head). This was translated into Greek as Christ and means "Anointed One" in our language. Correct? Thanks, Mike, I have gotten a lot of thought-provoking and helpful stuff from your videos. Please keep up this good work!
Hey Mike, newer listen Via Spotify. I know this is an older video so I hope this question finds it way to you.
I have began studying the Bible and came across your podcast. In this episode you mentioned the Amplified Bible. I have been using and like the added details that are in parentheses so I can decipher actual verses added text.
Is the Amplified Bible a good translation? I couldn’t find anything specific on if from you.
Thank you for wisdom! 🙏🏻
Mike. You're doing a great job with your videos. We all need to be alert to the errors that continually try to creep into orthodox doctrine. I think the apostle Paul may have been rather harsher in opposing these ideas!
Thank you so much, Mike. Amazing video. 👍🏻😇
This is awful. Shouldn't we be more angry?! Love your vids 🙏🏻✨
Agreed. This stuff infuriates me. It's so obvious. Mike is wise to stay chill for the sake of his emotions not overriding the message so lives can be saved.
We should be praying for his salvation. Cause, without JESUS, this guy is so going to spend eternity in a very hot place! 🙏🙏🙏
Well, it's not a translation I read and it's certainly not one I think someone should use for sermons; but I don't think it's quite as bad as you're claiming, based on the quotations you looked at.
I'd be happy to give reasons why, but I'd want confirmation you'd read it, Mike; as it would be quite a lot to write up.
I believe the Bible states clearly that no one should add or take away from the Word. And, this translation surfacing at all because Simmons believed that Jesus Himself appeared and gave Simmons a duty against what God already made clear and final- is off because God never changes.
Seems pretty obvious to me by the experience this man had, that alone says a lot aside from what Simmons believes in general. I've had a few supernatural incidences where I physically saw things and had things forced on me. But I don't care to share it to other believers because God's Word is final. I am thankful to even be allowed to have faith in His truths. God bless.
Really appreciate this video my dude.
Subbed.
Hope all is well with you.
Brother Mike, please could you review and discuss the fact that Hillsong just became its own denomination today! I’d love to hear your theological opinion about this 🤔
All denominations are man-made. So before we criticize Brian Houston/Hillsong, Let's get to the bottom of why as a church do we participate in the idea of denominational-ism? God is not divided.
Mike, I just got the blended Gospels put out by The Chosen & pulling my hair out because I have watched the series many times & trying to line up Scripture. Will you please get one & check it out?
Before you dismiss the fact that the stars ancient names show testimony of the gospel I would recommend that you read EW Bullingers, THE WITNESS OF THE STARS.
Hello Mike,
I would like to point out something about this signs and wonders movement. This group has gone far from biblical parameters, by adding there own interpretations to the text even without the passion translation. This group, you may already know, is called the word of faith movement and is strongly connected with the prosperity gospel preachers. SO4J-TV and the Berean Call have lots of videos on these groups on youtube. Search for example Bethel Menace from the Berean Call.
Now, I also want to mention the gift of speaking in tongues, because I found on the internet that the actual phrase speaking in tongues in the Greek means speaking foreign languages. This means actual languages and thus Paul is talking about the supernatural gift of God of speaking foreign languages by the work of the Holy Spirit as in Acts 2. It turns out that the gift of speaking in tongues as it is practiced in charismatic churches is not speaking in a foreign language. It is more a kind of gibberish known as glossolalia. This phenomenon has been observed in many other religions as well (if I am correct even mormons speak such gibberish). It is also not a true language, as it has no grammar or logical structure. That means that it is not linked to any foreign language and (probably) also not to an angel language. That makes it very conspicious. According to John Macarthur, the charismatic movement actually has (maybe unknowingly) got involved in satan's fakes substitute for the gift of speaking foreign languages. This would be out of the desire to feel God working and to really get the gifts of the Spirit. There is also some relation with the fake healings, since a lot of them turn out to be psychosomatic healings, which even unbelievers can learn to do with just the right words and techniques. SO4J-TV has a lot of content on this stuff.
I myself would like you to do a video about what you know about the charismatic church group, especially the NAR. Can you then also include the Toronto blessing in it, because that seems to be one of their milestones, which convinced me that the gifts as they practice them are rather demonic. This because in those meetings there were people making animal sounds/ behaving like animals, falling or being drunk in the spirit and such strange things that in my view are not of God, but of the devil.
It seems a lot of people are assuming that Mike Winger is a cessationist. In everything I’ve heard from him, he is NOT a cessasionist.
The interview reminds me of the story of the old prophet of 1 Kings 13: 11-32. He claims for himself the status of a prophet and then claims that an angel gave him a revelation that proved to be false. What difference does it make from some sects? God have mercy!
Júlio Bastos
Well, I lasted 37 mins (in two sittings), I have to thank you for doing this Mike but it (TPT) is just a heretical pile of crap and I shall never read it, consult it or even consider it ever again as long as I live!
Help....isn't there a scripture that explains that no one has or allowed secret/private/individualized interpretation of scripture?
I used to be a catholic and then turned to "spiritualaliy" Sounds very much like new age, enlightenment eastern teachings. They teach a different Jesus, that many claim to have been visited by. I thank God that He has revealed His truths to me.
In 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Brian blatantly refers to The Holy Spirit as the breath of God therefore denying the personage of the Holy Spirit. What the?
'Spirit' literally means 'breath' in both Greek and Hebrew; calling the Spirit the 'Breath of God' isn't denying the personhood of the Spirit anymore than calling Jesus the 'Word of God' denys the personhood of Jesus.
As for this passion book, I've read parts of comparatively, and not even bad paraphrase. Someone may have appeared to Brian Simmons, but it sure was no Jesus.
I almost bought this book but i didnt. Im glad that the holy spirit gave me discernment.
yay!
I know Brian personally. He's great. Helped me get out of legalism in my relationship with God tremendously.
That's nice. What does that have to do with the facts he's stated here?
Yesica1993 I'm just saying. Be careful. The Pharisees went around trying to to find ways to get rid of Jesus. They called him demonized. They tried to gather crowds to believe them. It's great to be careful but watch out. If these "facts" are wrong then this is slander and dissension.
@Brice-Jessica Tabor, what on earth was presented here that isn’t terrifying? Literally changing the word of God.. I fear for him writing this. If you have no fear of God, this probably won’t bother you. Paul says test the spirits (1 Jn. 4:1), and also, we judge those inside the church ( 1 Cor. 5:12). Scary stuff
For 40 years as a Christian, one of the most common and insidious problems (easily in the top five) I’ve seen in the Church is the tendency to being agenda-driven. IOW, one has a preconception to which all else must conform, or through which all else is filtered. For example, there is a strain of dominionism running rampant that preaches that Jesus is to become the dominant figure over all of current culture, now in this time, misappropriating Millennial Reign scriptures, such as Psalm 2, to the end that any scripture that indicates otherwise is either misinterpreted or ignored. Likewise, Cessationists maintain there is no baptism in the Holy Spirit, yet John the Baptist’s declaration about the same was so significant as to be mentioned in all four gospels, yet the agenda mindset simply ignores this fact.
The general phenomenon of ‘agendaism’ runs entirely across the denominational spectrum-it’s a fallen-man affliction, no one is immune; I constantly ask God to give me openness and shrewdness with respect to The Word, remebering that Jesus is THE Rabbi and Scribe, that the Holy Spirit leads me in Truth, as I actively study the Word, in a constant state of agenda-free. Thank God, it is, in fact, God Almighty who, Himself, guards and preserves that singular Pearl.
I love my Passion bible it stirs the PASSION in me. I feel the love of God and Jesus when I read this bible.
This is so needed to AWAKEN the BRIDE of Christ with burning passion
Amen, me too. These people are fueled by a fear of being deceived.
@@sincejesus The passion translation is evil and so are you for propagating the use of it.
Whenever someone says God showed them the "secrets" of His Word, that there is a huge red flag.
HUGE!
I'm at ground zero in Redding .ca, and the young bethelite minions are spreading out in our churches with their healing practices and reckless music. This is the first step in trying to get the local pastors to submit to the authority of the nearest apostle, in our case Bill Johnson and his henchman prophet Chris V. Be alert, stand firm in the faith. Pray the Holy Spirit leads them out of this apostasy.
Hi mike, What is your take on the Translation by John Nelson Darby. Thanks for your ministry.
This "TPT" is not a translation, it is an interpretation from one person. He has literally changed the word of God in many places, And does not look like it has any scholarship at all. Kind of reminds me of the Catholic Bible.
NKJV for life: I'll never switch again.
Mike is correct that the ESV and NAS are very good too. I personally use those more than the others, especially for study.
Crews for Christ
The NKJV is my preferred version. I do however think that a good word for word such as the ESV, or NASB are good as well.
I do not trust the so called versions such as the Passion translation, or the Message version. I believe they have ceased being scripture, and are real perversions, and therefore dangerous!
Islam - Jibrail
Mormonism-Moroni
Jehovah Witness - Michael the Archangel
Pssion Bible- Passion
See the connection? All of these are angels.
you got a faithful ministry going here but I would suggest you would do good to be careful about who you consider a brother or sister or one who loves Jesus. when someone starts messing with the word of God who Jesus is called I would suggest that they don't really know him and don't really love him and what does Revelation say about someone who messes with the text. no I think it's safer in this case not to suggest they love Jesus but rather they love pride and power and mammon.
A vW yes I understand about Revelation but I view the bible as one book by one author and that's because you can prove that, though there are 40 different writers it is the holy spirit behind it all but the other thing that concerns me is Mike referring that these people love Christ when he's calling them outright liars which they are. it's confusing for him to make both declarations and I understand he's trying to be careful not offend unnecessarily but but there is a time to call a spade a spade
Yes, I appreciate his heart of compassion, but he leans a bit too much toward avoidance of "judging." The Bible says "You will know them by their fruits," and "The spiritual man judges all things." If the fruit is bad, the branch is rotten. If he wants to avoid saying whether they are or aren't true followers of Christ, he should just not say anything about that question. Just present the evidence and let it stand.
carnation_cat Absolutely
This is so troubling that he is basically removing the woman’s place in life, in the Church & in the family unit! I’m older, so I don’t have a problem with the submitting thing, but it does all work together (the Prov 31 woman & the submissive woman). That has been misrepresented in the world as a weak little mouse when she is really a powerful woman of God who has the good sense to know & respect God’s order! Anything with 2 heads is a freak! Anything with no head isn’t living! God’s plan for the family unit to work as it does is perfect! If our lives have seen times when we were unable to have this, I believe God honors our efforts. I just believe that was His perfect plan for our benefit!
What I'd like to see is a new, not-for-profit translation of the textus receptus, giving it a fresh Shake using all the lessons learned from Westcott and Hort, and the majority texts, but not using those texts themselves, and approach it from a mixed evangelical perspective with 1st century Judaism scholars, etc.
Sure, I know majority text is all the rage, but if you believe God preserved his bible then the path it took to get to us has something to say to us about its veracity along that path, and there's some distinct changes from the Alexandrian texts and the Asia-minor texts most in use by the epicenter of the early church. From Philo to Origin, there's been a school of thought in Alexandria that isn't concerned with the literal words of God, hence why they had the greatest repository of gnostic texts, abd was the epicenter of Greek metaphysical thought post-athens.
So while people understandably was the the oldest texts, the receptus is certainly still the bible and has been more closely related to the bible of our ancestors for much of history.
I'm not making a case for KJV onlyism, but I see no reason why we can't throw them a bone on their least offensive argument.
That John 16:7 verse really got me. Someone quoted it to me a few months back and when I went home I looked it up in my Bible because it didn't sound right. The way the person quoted it was not how my Bible read. Turns out (after watching this) it was the Passion translation. SCARY!!!
Hi Mike! I've been watching your videos, new and old, since you made that video on the Holy Spirit three months ago. Really grateful to God for your stuff! Praying for you, bro!
While I was watching this video and the name-it-and-claim-it one, I was reminded of a family member who won't stop telling me about this guy named Torben and how we need to go essentially be street preachers and do miracles... I'm not cessationist whatsoever but there's this huge push for miracles that seems not right to me (it strikes me as though it's THEIR will and not GOD'S will)... And this Torben guy has a series called "The Pioneer School" on YT... Wondering if you could check it/him out. 🙏 May God's will be done above all else! 🙌
Regarding Proverbs: for every way of man is right in their own eyes, but the Lord ponders the hearts.
Be careful, Brian.
Mike - I've never commented before - but have been listening to your teaching for about a year. Thank you for your ministry!
Here is my question - any thoughts of compiling this information into book form? It sure would be helpful to put in the hands of people who are using this "translation."
I'm pretty sure God doesn't have secrets he gave us everything in the bible
God has knowledge that is not jermain to our needs no doubt, all we need God has revealed, no doubt.
Here are a few examples that show some knowledge in scripture is hidden and must be sought after, but that is a separate matter from changing what scripture says as the author of the Passion "Translation" is doing for sure.
Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of kings is to search things out.
Matthew 13:11-12
He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not. 12To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them.
Daniel 12:4
But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
And this one shows in general He does veil some things in secrecy
Isaiah 45:3
I will give you the treasures of darkness and the hidden riches of secret places, so that you may know that I am the LORD, the God of Israel, who calls you by name.
It's just kind of fascinating to see this in scripture and realize the Bible is a treasure hunt for truth, and God rewards us with more understanding as we seek after it. I love that!
I don't mind reading it at all if I view it.. Not as a translation of the Bible. But as Eric Simmons interpretation of the scriptures. Like a paraphrase bible, a commentary written in the form of a translation. I think its totally fine then. But shouldnt be considered "Gods Word" by any stretch,
And if I view it with that lense of perception on. I would go so far as to say I wouldn't be suprised if God actually led Eric to do it. God has led people to do much more wild things then that. The Holy Spirit led Jesus to put mud in a blind mans eyes. He led Paul to pray over pieces of cloth and distribute them to the sick. He led Peter into a trance and He led John into a Revelation.
I believe God still works NOW the same way He worked then because God is the same yesterday, today and forever. What I don't believe though, is that the Passion Translation should in any way shape or form be consider a literal translation. Rather a mans heart felt commentary on the bible written in the form of a translation. Makes for a good read. But the Author is Distinctly Eric Simmons, on every, single page. The author is not Peter, James, John, Matthew, Issac, Jeremiah, Eziekel, Solomon or David. It's Eric Simmons on every single page.
Doesn’t it concern you that Simmons puts it forward as worthy of scholarly study?
A pastor of a church I attended years ago in the 80's went on to amazing delusions about Jesus appearing in his room as a white horse upon which he was given a tour of the universe ... I find it quite remarkable the plethora of this kind of thing in the last few decades, if there was ever a sign of the immanent return of Jesus, this nonsense is surely one of them, that along with the explosion of LGBTQRST ....