Is the Canon EOS M Still Worth Buying In 2023? (Was It Ever?)
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Did you really just compare the EOS M to the $5,000 plus Canon C70? Great video by the way. You have extremely good skills in regards to both film, storytelling and editing. I would reduce the music slightly, like another person mentioned (just slightly).
Literally 😂… like comparing a push bike to a Ferrari
Hey Edmund! I'm 21 and I'm from Mexico, salary here is pretty rubbish, I can roughly make 50 usd per week bc I also go to college so a bmpcc4k or anything on that kind of budget is pretty much out of my league. I've started to dive into these EOS M videos and I'm loving them, they have pretty much revitalized my hopes for an affordable camera to make my short films :), I've even considered selling my T6i to start building a EOS M rig so I'm hoping to get more updates from you and your journey with the EOS M, have a nice day!
I will do a very honest and thorough dive into the camera. I really think it can be something special, but I believe it needs a lot of know-how.
@@EdmundElijah look it this way, a $150 camera that shots 5k raw, $700 m1 laptop that fast than a $15000 pc and a free software that makes hollywood worthy content ( davinci & blender ) all this means one can get to do huge projects with so much money. Instead of a $15000 camera you can buy a whole production kit from power full lights like forza 500 to best affordable recorder zoom f6
@@birianination7097
I have a large list of equipment that I think filmmakers should own. I could do a video on that? I'd like to compare the EOS M and the C70 in a controlled environment.
@@EdmundElijah that is a great idea. Plus i can help to share list of affordable equipments
I’m extremely proud of you. Your content is going to be amazing and beyond what most of us produce because you value the opportunity more than most people. Having a more difficult barrier of entry creates a deeper appreciation for the opportunity. I look forward to being a fan of your work!
I bought my EOS M in 2012/13. I paid $600.00 for two batteries, a charger, the EOS body, the 22MM f/2 prime pancake lens, and the 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM zoom. This is my go to camera, and I have not experienced any buyer's remorse. I use it almost every day, and have incorporated Magic Lantern into the software side. My old Canon AE1 FD lenses are being used because of all the adapters that are available. I also have old zeiss 3 element 135mm projector lenses from the 1920s on the M, and I have even adapted a Medium format Hasselblad 80mm Planar lens that turns the M into a literal "Hand Cannon!" This is the best camera I have ever had, and if I wanted to step up, I'd have to get Leica.
Awesome!
For prosumer it's ideal for travelling, I adapted some monster sigma lenses, both prime and auto to mine, no regrets for an aspiring hobbyist.
I think buying an eos m made me want to buy a real cinema camera that didn't work off of a microscopic crop on a nearly weightless camera. It worked properly 50% of the time and it left me wanting a camera that worked without having to beg it to do so. I just couldn't do it.
Sigma FP!
This month we've seen rapid development in the magic lantern world, 240mhz overclocking for the SD card means higher resolutions, and more stable at 1080, plus higher framerates. They continue to make optimizations to the firmware, who knows what the next 6 months to a year will bring us.
You right see the actual crop mood
Crop mood
Well if you have C70 it doesn't worth it :) But for a poor man cinema camera it is a good one. I recently picked one up, and I'm impressed. In my experience, 2.8K is the best in resolution and usability. Good details as well as continuous shooting (24fps, 10bit). Crop is inconvenient, agreed, but in 2.8k mode I think it is around 2.5x crop or so. No real time preview is inconvenient as well, but can be dealt with on locked shots. None of these issues are present for 1080p or 5k anamorphic frtp modes (5k frtp is not real 5k).
Most people who disappointed in it, they don't want to learn it, in your case you have C70, so you have much easier way to shoot good footage :)
Just bought one for 146£.
I already have ML experience with my old canon 50d, which was abandoned for almost 5 years.
Now with ML this old camera is able to shoot 11s of 14bit HD raw. Which looks pretty impressive.
I haven’t started using the EOS M yet because the EF to EF m adapter hasn’t arrived. And I have nigh hopes. Earlier this year I’ve bought a GoPro, started making videos learning Davinci resolve…
I am fully aware of how the Magic Lantern works, what to expect and how inconvenient it is.
Oh course for you with canon C70 using EOS M makes no sense.
PS. Awesome video, style atmosphere, etc.
I still want a camera for slider work, though!
It took me a little under a year to figure out how to take advantage of crop mood.
I was always confused about why I couldn't get anything to work and I found out that it wasn't my cards.
It was the camera itself.
It's data rate can't go over 87MB/s without becoming unstable.
The one thing that also annoys me (but this is the cost of using an eos-m) is that I have to shoot 1-2 dud video clips that can't be used, but all other clips after that are stable and can be used for recording.
So keep that in mind of you use this for shooting stuff.
Once you turn the camera on, (I also recommend using the card warm up feature), you should just aim at the ground or something and just record until it stops. (should be about 2 seconds or so) Do it again, after doing two clips like this, all other records will be stable.
At least, that's with my eos-m. I'm sure it might vary depending on other cameras.
I tried using magic lantern but I think the program is just over my head. I gave up on it twice and just started using the original camera. It’s a really nice camera. It’s absolutely tiny and can fit almost anywhere you wanna take it! I think it’s worth it for some still :)
I always consider buying it again.
@@EdmundElijah the photos still look nicer than my iPhone 14 pro max so I like having it with me :) I’d say but it again before they become expensive lol
its so mobile portable and light. im sure you can figure out where else you would like to have a crash cam. SUPER glad to hear that the reliability of ML open source software is getting more and more reliable as the engineers tweak...its nice to have an options of tools...
I forgot I was supposed to buy a camera and just started watching Stranger Things instead
That’s awesome!
I love the design and the OG metal body. You can get great pictures from ist. But it is clunky and slow.
We’re back baby!
I've been playing with the recently released crop mood build on a recently acquired EOS M and my TH-cam wanderings have led me here. After realizing there are a few things I shouldn't do which will crash the camera CM has been pretty stable for me given it's limitations. Not having messed with prior builds I can't really say much about them but being somewhat of a tinkerer/technical guy after playing with crop mood for a couple hours I'd have to agree with you about the additional crop. I have a sigma 30 and a set of Kiev-16U lenses, when 12mm becomes 'normalish' depending on what settings you are using indoors it makes you question things. That said comparing the default video output and the raw output is astonishing but I'm by no means even an advanced amateur when it comes to video stuff so what I'm learning is how much I have to learn once again.
Just wondering if this is still of interest and if you've messed with crop mood at all, seems it's been quite the update for some people and as a newbie after watching bilals 'settings' video i've had no major problems with it.
I haven’t touched the camera in nearly a year!
I add a speed booster and man, what a results with vintage lens for that price!!
We need more of these video's. My cam already tripled in value, cause all of the demand for those EOS M. You're 100% spot on, the UI sucks and it's far from a point and shoot camera. Honestly, nobody claimed it to be in the first place. The comment section is pure gold.
I don’t know why I am receiving so much hate.
@@EdmundElijah nobody's hating on you, its the perspective that counts. i picked one up just yesterday and i know its not going to be easy to work with it but i'm gonna try my best to achieve a good looking image. thing is i didn't have ~$2000 for picking up a bmpcc 6k so i got me EOS M. i can practice color grading with RAW footage and honesly i think this was the best deal you could get for $150
clever aesthetic. props to you
@@MentalPistol thanks!
Apologies as I don't know much about this topic but why exactly are people picking the EOS M over the other cameras supported ? (5D Mark II, 5D Mark III, 6D, 7D, 50D, 60D, 500D/T1i, 550D/T2i, 600D/T3i, 650D/T4i, 700D/T5i, 1100D/T3)
Is it just the price of the EOS M? the form factor? Lens system? or what?
Is there the possibility of better performance on any of the other supported cameras? Have people tried testing any of the other camera models with the firmware?
Sorry, I meant to reply to this earlier.
I believe that this camera has captivated TH-cam because of its low price, and how hard TH-camrs are promoting it. Why would people prefer it over the 5DMKII? Probably because they're attracted to the size, and it has a shorter flange distance. But, honestly, I believe that there are too many cons to promote it as a starter camera for anybody.
I understand that people like to use this for specific uses, but that isn't everyone. This camera is promoted too heavily to beginners, and if I have difficulties with it - after operating cameras for almost two decades, I cannot imagine what a novice is going to do with it.
I believe that there are older cameras out there that will give you fantastic photos and video. I believe that there are newer cameras that will do the same. I do not believe that the EOS M is a good option with all of the other cameras out there.
@@EdmundElijah Thanks for the in depth answer, that's exactly what I was confused about, that someone would choose the EOS M over the 5DMKII if they can both run the Magic Lantern Firmware.
We now also have the option to record RAW videos via .DNG format on compatible android phones using the "MotionCam Pro App" Which might be the better option here rather than buying a second-hand camera from 2012.
It would be interesting to see how a modern Android phone with MotionCam Pro App stacks up against the 2012 EOS M with Magic Lantern.
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Seems like you wanted more of a point and shoot type camera then something you need to put a little effort into learning.
Not at all. I wanted a reliable camera that shoots RAW to run on a slider. This isn’t it. Did you catch that I own two cinema cameras? I have several cameras, and this was the worst one I’ve owned.
Are you using the danne’s version of magic lantern. This version branch out from the official one and has more features and better stability
I was not aware of this. How can I find it?
@@EdmundElijah yeah you need to use the Danne build, it's night and day - very stable.
@@atjeremy is it better than zeeks latest version?
@@bigherb yes. Dannes versions are the latest and greatest, Zeek essentially uses whatever the latest Dane build is
@@shootimpro oh that's really interesting. Can you please help me find the download for the latest version and maybe some settings?
Amazing this doesn't get more views, fanatic editing. My Eos T6 is finally starting to give up the ghost after 5 years. I most shoot nature and star photography, do you think the M5 is a good pick? Love the light weight factor!
Thanks!
I'm actually working on a video about the incredible downsides to the M series cameras. Do you only shoot photography, or do you also do video?
@@EdmundElijah I only shoot photography
@@MG-Makes
I would recommend a used A7S or A7SII. Check out GxAce's video about the A7sII. It's phenomenal.
ML is pure gold for Canon video shooters. no contest.
I think it probably needs some more work and testing to get it working. Great video BTW, subbed and can't wait to see what you make with the EOS M.
Thanks! I was doing a little bit more testing last night, and I’m pretty pleased with the image. I think I’ll dive deep and make a longer video.
Great video u kinda sound like a villain tho , luv it
Haha, thanks!
Why is this camera better then the canon m50
It’s not.
@@EdmundElijah so the eos m is basic without magic lantern ? Is there anything like magic pattern for eos m50 that will make it have better quality or shoot raw , I heard of cinestyle but not fond of it because it glitches
Great camera for what it is.👍 Music is little too laud.😐 Good editing.👍
I love ur editing Style Its incredible
Thank you!
Wouldn't go this route, especially not, if on a tight budget. All the disadvantages are not worth the hassle and workarounds, especially not if you can have a used pocket 4k with all you need for few hundreds, it doesn't make much sense at all. Just my 50 cent.
Yeah, I ditched the EOS M and the slider because it became too expensive for a simple shot. I’m going to invest in a dolly instead.
How much did it cost in 2023?? In Bangladesh how can i buy it?
Around $250 USD usually.
Great work, Edmund.
Thanks!
Brother is seducing me into buying the camera xDD
treat it like a M4/3 Camera.
so if i get this camera, will it have trouble working with a wide/fisheye lens? I would prefer to shoot in the 8-12mm range and you said in the video that yours wasnt working with a wide lens, but I just wanna know if one off of ebay would work fine as long as the lens i get works with ef-m mounts.
The wider the better!
Nice video, i know, i know eos M is better Than r5 and r6 but C70 is the best o the best
Also epic little camera
Cool video, my Brother!! 👍
Thank you!
Video feels like a mockumentary and I'm all for it. It's time to admit that all us camera nerds got played into buying it off eBay or our local pawn shops just to test it on our own. Turns out it ain't all that good.
Thank you! I’m glad that someone appreciates it! This is my most viewed and most disliked video.
@@EdmundElijah but also your most liked video. Good with the bad I guess. Subscribed.
Thank you for pointing that out. I never paid attention to that, and you’re right. I should focus on the positive more often!
I've gotten amazing results with an eosm and magic lantern. It just takes a bit of time to figure out. I've even used it on small FPV drones . It's certainly has its place if you are patient and resourceful. I've worked with so many different camera systems as a Television producer and the 14bit raw that you can get off the eosm is VERY VERY impressive for the cost. It's just kind of annoying to work with if you compare it to a modern camera.
@@brettalexander.studio
I truly believe that I would have enjoyed the camera if it didn’t have to have additional rigging to make it easier to operate. Without an external monitor, I had to find my focus and lock it. I wouldn’t dare rack focus because the screen was incredibly delayed.
I really need to record my follow up. People don’t like this one!
is this camera like pocket cinema camera ? I been seeing lot of cinema tic shots...is this underrated camera a?
Well, honestly, it’s pretty overrated when compared to other cameras. The benefits, though, is that it has a larger sensor than the OG Black Magic Pocket Cinema camera, and has photo capabilities.
I would recommend this camera as a secondary camera, I don’t think it’s good enough to be used as a primary camera.
@@EdmundElijah which movie making Budget camera you recommend
@@rajendrabiswas
Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K.
It has an MFT mount, so your lens options are practically limitless - you can also use focal reducers to get a full frame FOV.
If you buy MFT lenses with AF capabilities, you can also pull focus with your phone! That saves you tons of money on wireless focus motors.
@@EdmundElijah if it’s not full frame does it matter ? I had an obsession with sigma fp bcoz it’s full frame . So in the end one we’re i save money is more important . Also I would like to do photography sometime
@@rajendrabiswas
Full frame cinema cameras are a new thing. A FF camera doesn’t mean it’s more cinematic. I prefer the S35 sensor on the C70.
I just bought one for $120. Def worthwhile
That’s great! I wasn’t a fan - but I’m glad that this camera has a strong community.
Get an a7siii or a Sony fx30 it will change your life , I have both because shortly after I bought the fx30 i bought the a7siii because it was too good to pass up
@@boomboombaby9140 i have an A7iii. And definitely would like the A7Siii at some point. It's still just a lil outside of my budget.
@@boomboombaby9140
Tell me more about the FX30!
@@Ataraxia_Atom I went on eBay and saw one that was in mint condition 357 shutter clicks for 2,100 . It’s amazing looks like I has never been used
Can't hear you talk with the music
@@LNSFLIVE I can!
@@EdmundElijah of course I can hear you, but just don't know why the music is at -10dB when your around -6dB
@@LNSFLIVE because I was inspired by Tenet.
hi i just bought this camera eoas m and i update it with latest fireware but i cant find raw video there ...any heelp ? thank you .
I’ll need a little more explanation to help you out! What exactly is happening?
@@EdmundElijah hi bro sorry for i late .. well i will make a video and sent in instagram to undrstand more .. thanks ..
@@EdmundElijah hi bro you can check the video in my youtube to see my eos m what going on with it ! Thank you 🙏
I’ll check it out. Message me on IG @ edmund.elijah
@@EdmundElijah thanks alot ..well i sent you message in ig
will the footage hold up for vfx work? 12bit 3k? im unsure, but if so could be a great into to that thing ihave noticed is alot of the time the footage ppl make are very griny
What kind of VFX? Like rotoscoping?
@@EdmundElijah more greenscreen work and blender worlds /objects
@@silverbulletin846
From my experience, this camera suffers from moire and other sensor issues that would cause complications for you.
@@EdmundElijah yea i figured it wouold be a strech to make it work thankjs
Pour une production de fiction a tres petit budget bien sur qu'acheter et équiper un Eos M vaut le coup
I can see how it works for others!
Interesting. I see how this wouldn’t be good if you had a really nice camera but for people that can’t afford nicer camera but still want to learn about some of the nicer feature, i think it is decent. At least until they can get the nicer ones.
Regardless nice video
I think there are better options for people interested in learning how to shoot video.
@@EdmundElijah I agree for the basic stuff but not necessarily for the stuff that would only be on nicer cameras. Aspect ratios, fps (to some extents), zebras, peaking, some histogram stuff etc. it’s my b camera to get my feet wet with this stuff.
What other affordable cameras do you think would be better?(I may need to get one lol)
@@Bryantfstephens
What is your A camera?
@@EdmundElijah canon 7D. It’s old but I started out with it long ago as a photography camera, it’s still great for that honestly. 1080p 24/30fps is fine for now. I have a long term goal as maybe a R5 or c200/c70. But wondering for stepping stone cameras.
@@EdmundElijah i bought a bmpcc OG after i fell for the EOS M nonsense. I love it.
Gxace multiplying? 😂
Big compliment! Haha.
This guy sounds like Great Horned Owl 🤔
Hilarious!
@@EdmundElijah 😅 Love you Ed. Haven’t seen you in 10 years. -Jesse
@@EdmundElijah Also, decent review! I have no DSLR right now, and I was wondering if you would be will to help: I want to efficiently purchase for 4k video, 24fps is sufficient but 60fps would be preferred so I don’t have upscale 1080p slo-mo footage. What would be your best camera suggestion with a reversible rotatable viewfinder (which I’ve found mirrorless don’t tend to have), auto-follow focus, touch screen, and has MagicLantern mod available, around $500? I think I can do this with maybe a T7i Canon? I’m a bit more interested in a Sony, but not sure it’s necessary. I’m most acquainted with Canon EOS in the past. Thanks Ed!
Wait..what? You ended this on a question to the audience? Is the footage in the video even shot with the EOS M?
The title of the video is a question.