Common Market Debate | Edward Heath | Michael Foot | People and Politics | Part 1
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Llew Gardner mediates between Labours Michael Foot and The former conservative leader Edward Heath, on the forthcoming referendum an whether the UK should join the common Market.
And also the fiery topic of 'Soverignty'
First shown: 13/05/1975
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Its amazing the standard of debate as compared to the sound bites of today.
Amen to that.
True it actually seems like they mostly answer
Senator, let me be blunt. Is there a labour crisis in this country?
And yet Heath still manages to fool people
But how many people actually watched these programmes? I seriously doubt that the standard of education in the 70s was so high that the masses understood 'sovereignty' - pretty high brow legal concept.
I wish we could watch this type of TV debate between MP’s in 2017.
I wonder why it has changed, the style of interaction.
fourstarist, maybe they toned it down a bit intentionally
Very good point - regardless of who one agrees with.
And 2020
This kind of TV debate lead to Britain joining.
The kind of recent TV and press propaganda lead to Britain leaving.
Murdoch and the Tories are neither interested in peoples education nor in a press giving decent information.
The two of them are brilliant. Fully informed, intelligent, rational. The TV guy lets them get on with it. Can you imagine this on Channel 4 News or BBC Newsnight today? Interruptions after twenty seconds, hectoring, grandstanding, shouting. Things were a lot worse in this country in the 1970s, but in many ways they were a lot better than they are today.
We were freer and happier in the seventies, I can tell you that. how I remember.
As an American, I stand in awe of the high level of debate shown here. Intense but polite, and above all, fully armed with facts, and trained in debate. Compare the pompous speechifying of our Congressmen.
So do I, as a Brit! Regretfully we no longer have political debates like this and more, except perhaps in the House of Lords.
As a Brit & a great admirer of America & Americans, I have oft thought as do you, that people of a similar public stature in America are rather more surface & simply don't operate at this level. I grew up listening to debates like this & it still seems quite normal to me; I think people who can debate like this still exist, it's the platforms, here being TV, that have fallen so far in quality, that they simply don't allow people to discuss at length like this anymore. In the unlikely event that this will change, this ability will eventually atrophy & completely die out, to the determent of us all.
@@ernestblundcron342 I think (some) people are still capable of this type of in depth debate, it's the platforms that have become so crass & stupid, as to not facilitate it in the first place. 'Your soundbite in 10 seconds please Mr X!"
F.D.R.’s “Fireside Chats”, (1930s) were very detailed discussions of national economic policy proposals - Specifically intended to inform the vast mass of working people - Many of whom could not read a newspaper.
@@victorsauvage1890 Your comment making the very obvious point that this is now a long time ago. There will always be people & shows that buck the downward trend in public discourse, but it is sadly few & far between.
They listened to each other and then replied. Very different from the shouting down of today. Foot was a giant!
Stephen Beet Big Foot
Spot On.
I was not a huge fan of Foot's policies, but the man was an intellectual giant. I cannot think of any member of the house at the moment who has the same intellectual rigour in argument as he demonstrates in this programme. Note that as a result, he and Heath speak to one another with respect.
He definitely can kick Jeremy Corbyn's ass. He comes across as a lot more genuine,
Hear hear. I'm not a fan of the labor party but Foot was indeed something special.
Foot knew the ins and outs of every procedure of the HOC; he was a brilliant student of the British Parliament just like Powell.
@@EdWood2006 Was Editor of the Daily Mirror during WW11 , he nail the argument thou on the EU .
@Simon Higgins they were allowed to develop their arguments in full. Now they just criticise the other person and sensationalise
Such a calm and civil debate between ferocious opponents would be unimaginable today.
History has proved Michael Foot to be spot on with his analysis.
All the way on that one and it also proves Heath was full of it!! As most of us already knew... Hence I remember him being booed out of number 10!!
And a lot of people thought Foot wasn't credible...🤔
Further to this, and going back a few year's previous, Hugh Gaitskell's speech on closer ties to Europe ( Google Gaitskell speech on Europe and ending a 1000 years of British history) , is an absolute must to watch. He was warning us about moving closer to the EU, long before foot was. Gaitskell is now history. He was, however, ahead of his time.....
Labour then were a decent party.their policies had a lot in common with UKIP and brexit party.
And Tony Benn, Enoch Powell. Complete opposite opinions on nearly everything else but could clearly see the danger of the eu/eec/common market or what ever name it gives itself
How much more intelligent this debate is than anything we hear today.
Rod Mitchell The media 24 hour news has a lot to answer for.
Yes, how much intelligence is destroyed in all those decades by poor education and press & media changed to be propaganda instruments.
Absolutely
TODAY THERE ARE TOO MANY FALSE THINGS RELATED TO ANTI-EU PROPAGANDA. THIS IS A CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE. AND FOR ME, A FOREIGNER, IT IS THE ENGLISH I UNDERSTAND BEST.
How far we have fallen in verbal abilities and quality since those days is absolutely frightening !
On a serious note, today's MPs are too thick to have a serious detailed debate like this. Can you imagine, say, David Davis and Diane Abbot having such a discussion ?
In a word no.
I can imagine Jeremy Corbyn doing it. I don't have to imagine whichever Tory chickening out, I've 2 examples of that in Cameron and the strong and stablebot.
I certainly agree with your sentiment, but I think your choice of politicians was off. Diane Abbot has certainly received a great deal of shit recently, but she is a very clever woman. David Davis is also a very intelligent man. I've listened to a few great radio documentaries that he has made.
Dath - Point taken and fully appreciated ! Thank you !
Did you ever read David Davis' book How To Turn Round a Company? He is a highly intelligent man, unfortunately, he has to defend Theresa May all of the time.
Wonderful speech by Mr Foot.
Nice to listen to intelligent debate with the interviewer letting it flow, foot has been proved right on every point, politicians of today do not have the intelligence to have such discussions who spend most of the time trying to talk over each other, with the modern day interviewer acting as a form of referee often chipping in with the particular channels agenda.
That's very true
Wow, I'm especially blown away by Michael Foot in this debate! He is an intellectual titan compared to what the average MP displays today. When you look at the distinct lack of talent in the current Cabinet (and Shadow Cabinet for that matter!) it's actually depressing to watch the political acumen on show in this video compared to what we typically have now! This is an enlightening debate where I feel impelled to listen to both sides. Yet sadly when I watch modern UK politicians running on like robots, usually following their limited brief and knowledge on the matter at hand, I simply feel like banging my head on a brick wall!
This was a very insightful reading of the anti-democratic future EU by Mr Foot.
In Margaret Thatcher's memoir she praised Mr Foot as a formidable debater and a gentleman; we see here why he deserved that respect from someone of greatly different political views.
he paved the way for Mr. Johnson - a disgrace for GB. He made UK a laughing stock.
No interruptions, no talking over each other...today's politicians should view this video and learn.
This is what politicians were like before everyone became fuzzled by the Internet.
Michael Foot was spot on!
Michael Foot was an M.P for 42 years and Ted Heath for 51 years. Rishi Sunak has been an M.P. for 8 years, as has Keir Starmer. That is typical of all of the party leaders since 2010 (and all Tory leaders since 2005) except for the veteran Mr Corbyn. Almost none of the recent party leaders have either parliamentary skills or indeed any respect for the House of Commons. Power has inexorably drained from the Commons over the last forty or so years. This has coincided with the massive widening in the gap between the rich and poor.
@Attlee, Corbyn is a Marxist, a controlled puppet.
Foot was an intellectual far above the public debate and was spot on regarding the EU.
Here I sit, a committed Conservative, applauding Michael Foot, a committed Socialist. What has happened in the intervening years?
Our country was sold-out by 'committed conservatives' in those intervening years. Our nation has been undermined by mid-wits and market obsessed radicals - easy to see what is gained; not so easy to see what is lost.
I've always suspected that the fiscally conservative/neo-liberal economic model is thoroughly incompatible with social conservatism and that as the paradox drags on that the left in spite of itself offers a much more socially conservative vision than the right.
Foot is very good here isn't he! But this is the same Foot who supported crippling strikes called by undemocratic unions, run by Marxists and other low life, who made the country ungovernable in the 1970s. Thatcher saved us from the unions, but didn't realise that the EEC meant it when they talked about "economic and monetary union". Foot took them at their word and was proved right. What a disaster that's turned out to be! It seems that no politician has all the answers.
@@davidhodgson4685 Are you counting Tony Blair among those "committed conservatives"? Because he shares a huge proportion of the blame.
I totally agree. Michael Foot had more intellect than any of these ill equipped Labour politicians of the current day. What a fine orator he was, though because he did not look the part he was never going to be electable. As a Conservative, i was obviously pleased about that. As for Ted Heath, well bring on Mrs T.
Very interesting to look back at this type of debate and to see two people of completely different viewpoints have a reasoned discussion without resorting to personal insults like present politicians do. It’s also interesting to see how well Michael Foot makes his points ,even though I would personally disagree with most of them, yet was completely unelectable as Labour leader. Looking at the comments section a lot of people say how right Foot has been proved all these years later, but like most things in life if we all wait long enough our views may be proven to be right eventually. As an Irish man I’m not convinced that the EEC/EU has all been bad for the UK, there are always going to be compromises in big geo political decisions, some good some bad, it doesn’t necessarily mean that if the UK had never been in the EU, things would always be & have been better
Michael Foot was a Gentleman! Highly intelligent and intellectual individual! RIP🌹
Could someone make more of this type of intelligent political debate available on You Tube? This is the level of debate I remember my parents watching on TV as a kid. It might remind politicians and voters that there was a different way of doing politics. Michael Foot was insulted by the Tory press but he had a fine intellect.
He was always viewed as an intellectual, but correctly the Press called him out on his rather poor policies. He simply couldn't win an election as those policies were just too far left.
@@myla6135 His policies were correct as were his arguments.
@@myla6135 Yes, largely because the press says a leftist can't win
Mr Foot you were spot on, you were a very intelligent man! Wish you were in Britain today!
Get real you idiot heath was a sell out quisling
Incredible. As a Conservative, I find myself agreeing with everything Michael Foot said, and disagreeing fundamentally with everything said by Ted Heath!!
You're not a conservative, you're a UKIPer.
You are a proper conservative
I remember the day my labour supporting father threw the campaigners off our doorstep and called Foot a bumbling idiot. I wonder what he would think in retrospect? I never saw any of this as was too young to vote or care at the time. Foot seems like a true leader and very knowledgeable and turns out he was right.
Turned out that Heath was lying about just about everything.
If you call expressing an opinion which differs from your own "lying", then perhaps. I say this as a lifelong socialist.
@@alban1959 He lied about the nature of the EU and sovereignty. He knew the intention was a superstate but denied it.
Evidence that he lied? Evidence that the EU is a "superstate"?
@MacGregor Mathers
Exactly, the elite had a hold over Heath, to control him to deliver their projected agenda.
@MacGregor Mathers you obviously believed the words of a witness that was totally discredited. Guttersnipe !
Labour party now should look at this.
It’s amazing that I thought I’d ever agree with Mr Foot, and it’s astounding that Mr Foot got it absolutely right. Forty plus years later what he said had come to fruition.
Yep, and Tony Benn was saying the same things. Shame neither lived to see the UK leave.
Smart fellow Michael Foot...pity todays labour politicians are not more like him
Are you serious, The fact Corbyn was so similar to him was the stick the media used to beat him with.
Crickey they actually seem to be answering the questions! That a novelty that seems now. AND they seem to know exactly what they are talking about, backing their argument with facts . But, sadly, after decades of poor education in our state schools, and 22 years since Blair turned state education into political re-education from the left, and mass immigration from both Europe and the world, our electorate are ill equipped to make rational decisions for the good of the UK, it is inconceivable that the majority now would set aside their own issues for the national good. But then not even our politicians do that any more.
Nonsensical conspiracy crap. Stupid comment
did mike foot have a time machine ?
One Foot in the Future
Kram Niboh we live in a capitalist society mate. It’s all about cash. Money always wins.
Riftgardian so you hate the ideals of the capitalism class. Eu is to maximum profit. Cash rules mate. Money always wins.
yes he did
Only 44,000 views, this should be aired on prime time tv for the whole nation as it is as up to date now as it was all those years ago. (Check out the equally compelling debate between Tony Benn and Roy Jenkins on the same subject). Michael Foot showed himself in every way superior to Edward Heath. By honesty, intellectual prowess and foresight he made and still makes a compelling case for Brexit. Looking on the brightside, however, although Ted Heath began the proccess of surrendering our sovereignty, gave away our fishing grounds and signed us up to the absurd Common Agricultural Policy we did manage to keep European juggernauts off our roads.
They wouldn't dare show this on TV
Foot was right and what a wicked trail of lies and backsliding we have had since swallowing the lies peddled at that time.
Talk abt Big Foot, he stomped all over Heath.
I remember this imagined headline from a newspaper that wondered out loud the types of headlines that might occur with Michael Foot:
"Foot Heads Arms Body"
1:55 Ted Heath does the archetypal politician's question dodge.
"Do you accept that Mr Heath"
"I don't entirely, but before we come to that I just want to make a general point..."
ie: he's about to lie to you - big time. He doesn't want to answer the question clearly, the way Michael Foot did.
It should be fairly clear to any viewer how circuitous* Heath's reply is - always a danger sign with politicians.
* a trip to the online thesaurus gave me a new (to me) word: "periphrasis: the use of indirect and circumlocutory speech or writing"
Surely this was last week ? GREAT upload.
ysgol3 no this was uploaded last week!
This is around 1975.
Teresa - yes, thank you, I do know that ! What I meant, in a tongue in cheek way, was that the POINTS BEING MADE are as relevant today as they were in 1975...........Oh dear oh dear..........
ysgol3 LOL!
Foot wins the debate hands down and shows Heath to be the deceitful man he was when he signed us up originally without giving us the full facts of what lay in store for us further down the line.
I never thought I would agree with Michael Foot - but he was absolutely right.
Great upload, perfect timing. Chapeau !
Michael Foot was then talking the truthof a powerless parliament
Ted Heath - Could be Treason May's alter-ego. How do these MPs find it so easy to lie to the British electorate without a glimmer of remorse? Michael Foot and Tony Benn never took their eye off the ball. Amazing how prophetic they both were...
Absoloute nonsense. Foot and Benn were full of this english exceptionalism and this deluded self belief of their version of sovereignty . Look at the state of the UK post brexit. Tearing itself apart , buisnesses unable to trade properly with its biggest market , businesses relocating to the EU in order to carry on doing trade and the list goes on.
@@jurgen6768 When you step outside your door you really do believe that you're living in some kind of Mad Max-style wasteland, don't you? Extraordinarily delusional.
They find it easy to lie, because THEY HAVE TO to get the job. Its part of the job discription..
@@jurgen6768 I think you have conveniently forgot COVID...
Its astonishing that the former PM of the United Kingdom thought that in 1975 there were 7.5 million Scottish people! Scotland's population today is only just over 5.2 million! I thought that it was the Conservative and UNIONIST party.
I take back what I said a moment ago (see below).
Well done Footie. You may have gained power at this election 2019 should you have been the Labour leader
Interesting!
I was 14 at the time and I did not wish to join the common market!
History shows Michael Foot was spot on. 👌
Proper civilised intelligent debate. Where did we go wrong?
Ironically all began to go wrong when this Foot wrote GUILTY MEN - bandwagon politics exploiting the appeasement controversy and helping to take the heat off what his Party was doing opposing rearmament and calling Chamberlain a war-monger. Foot did not use his name, he is gentlemanly here and arguably right but he was neither gentlemanly nor right in GUILTY MEN. Foot, a guilty man, as was Churchill who consciously lied in THE GATHERING STORM. What fools they made of so many people.
As a Tory… Michael Foot was right in his assessment!
Well then you don't understand the mechanisms of the now EU. The EU is far more transparent than our government especially under the Tories
Foot was out of his depth. His anti Europe blocked his brain. Much the same as Corbyn
@Davidwilliams-lk7hb Utter drivel
@@RobertBurke-tq9zu so says a Labour voter who can’t accept his party’s heritage. lol, suck it up buttercup!
Heath reminds me of Chamberlain waving his bit of paper when he talks about the goals of the EU - Three words: EVER CLOSER UNION...
Well then your grasp of history is exceptionally poor. Whatever the problems associated with the EU it is nothing like Nazi Germany. What a disgusting comment
You gotta just love Michael Foot and the facial expressions.
Hadn’t seen the late Llew Gardner for many years, and sadly both his guests are no longer with us.
That quick look at the camera each time after being exposed by Mr Foot tells you what you need to know.
Michael Foot stood all over Heath's arguments.
Amazing, same arguments different actors. Note that Heath doesn't know the population of Scotland which was 5.23 million at the time.
For once Michael Foot was spot on. The one thing that united two figures so far apart, Foot and Enoch Powell, uk membership of the Common market/EU. We should have listened to them not the clueless prat Heath.
Back then, Labour stood for something, socialists were socialists and for the working class, and were anti-EU. I'm not Labour, but I appreciate their passion and honesty.
ian dander Back then the Labour Party's policy was to leave the EU. That was until 1988 when Jacques Delores attended the TUC conference and wooed the TUC and Labour Party to change from anti EU to pro EU, leading to the foundations of the pro EU Blair government take over in 1997, and their desertion of working class voters
@@raymonddavies6507 That being said, Michael Foot and Tony Benn remained anti-EU until their death.
Michael Foot was a great intellect, writer, debater and parliamentarian.....the comparisons people have made with Corbyn are an insult to his memory.
This is a real eye opener. As Labour leader, Michael Foot took his Party into the 1983 General Election with a clear mandate to exit the EC. What then changed under Neil Kinnock when Labour did a volte face and became EU friendly? This continued even further with Blair who I believe would have taken us into a politically federal Europe if he had got his way. Unbelievable.
Ian D The change came in 1988 when Jacques Delores Head of the European Commission visited the TUC conference and promised the TUC that the EU could over rule the British parliament, and rescind the anti trade union legislation laws, if the TUC and Labour united with and supported the EU. In doing this, The Labour party laid the foundation of the Blair take over of the Labour party. Kinnock originally was anti EU but soon changed his mind when offered an EU commissioner's post.
@@raymonddavies6507 Yes spot on.
Blair was going to give us a referendum before Lisbon but after other countries rejected the treaty he backed out of doing it.
Because Labour saw the EU finally as the only way of getting rid of the terrible effects of Thatcherism in the UK.
@@briandelaney9710 The single market a defining piece of the E.U jigsaw was a thatcher invention.
As a politics teacher, I would rate this as quality educational material featuring a proper debate on Britain and Europe facilitating students with the necessary tools to form a rational argument and an informed understanding.
It is an absolute disgrace that the quality of the narrative and discourse has since gone down the toilet in a culture of spectacle politics, spin and vacuous, spurious soundbites. In 1975, people were able to make an informed decision. In contrast, 2016 featured spurious, self-seeking fear mongers who lied with impunity recklessly fomenting prejudicial division with no end in sight.
How unusual...a pro Euro Tory Leader and anti Euro Labour Leader!
Why? It was the Tories and the Liberal wing ( Roy Jenkin's) of the Labour party who wanted us to join the common market in the first place. Old Labour (like Foot) wanted us well away from the common market. Though if you compare it to today, it really does show how the demographic has changed and it ain't looking good for Labour!! Mr Foot was right!!
@@tennis5011 I think it looks much better for Labour than it does for the Tories who have made a pigs ear of Brexit!
Not sure how you work that one out Kev. Corbyn who is anti EU. His supporters ( Liberal hippies) who are pro EU. Plus, the majority of Labours support coming from the working classes, again anti EU, all makes for a toxic potion just as bad as the Tories!! All May has to do is carry out the wishes of the people (even though secretly she doesn't want to), then Corbyn is toast!!
@@tennis5011 You're wrong about his supporters. Survey after survey showed Corbyn + his policy was/is popular. Then the media+brexit kicked in to skew it as a pro-EU plan, plus the usual economic ignorance about paying for it.
Not really. The socialist left was/is always sceptical regarding the EU.
Interesting comments!
Heath's eyes are really shifty and his breathing gets very quick! You've been found out matey!
1975 Edward Heath, " Population of Scotland. Seven and a half million." LOL. Such ignorance.
it was about 5.5 million then
Heath was an imbecile
Michael Foot was absolutely spot on, and Heath was just an arrogant liar!
Michael Foot's points were absolutely correct and were still absolutely correct nearly half a century later. He saw that we would have to leave the EU and he was right.
Michael Foot - what an absolute legend!
When Britain was Britain.
heath was the eec cancer
Interesting how Labour's view on Europe has inverted a full 180 degrees since 1975.
And very sad
Although with the Corbyn, McDonnell leadership currently in charge it's more like a 360.
Blame Kinnock and Blair
"A grotesque distortion" said Edward Heath as he dismissed the assessment of Michael Foot's analysis of the working mechanics of the European Economic Union. With the fullness of time, we now realise he was lying through his teeth.
This is absolutely fascinating! The left which would today be labelled as woke remoaners were playing the role we would now recognise as Brexiteers! And a debate without them shouting over each other constantly!
It says in the description that this programme was shown on 13/5/75 but I've looked at Thames listings for that date on TVRDB and there's no sign of it.
Heath's expression is priceless - its says it all
Albeit 40 yers previous, it would have been a useful debate to be heard/archived at some time during the 2016 referendum.
I miss the high quality of debate like this 1 demonstrates. Michael Foot had great insight and has been proven 100% correct.
These were the days politicians had a brain...today they are lapdogs of EU. Also interviewer wasnt trying to catch anyone out and ask for anyone's resignation.
Transitional arrangement going in...!!
What is interesting about this discussion is that Mr. Heath and Mr. Foot almost never interrupt each other. Modern politicians should learn from this example. So should the BBC.
Juulmand1 I agree, but there’s something else. These two high calibre politicians were first of all chaired by a good chairman. Secondly, and more importantly, they were given the time to discuss and debate. There is space to explore the subject.
@@mazzarouni5608 Yes, you are right. There is no longer any patience or intellectual stamina for long debates.
WOW! I really wish this debate had been shown prior to the 2016 referendum, as I think the margin of victory would have been even greater for the leave campaign. It shows the level of betrayal of the British people, and peoples of Europe in general. The real fundamental questions of sovereignty and democracy were largely skirted around in the main debates. Instead the debate became centered around immigration, border controls and the economy. Those issues are important, however, they allowed the remain campaign to frame leavers as racist xenophobes, who didn't care about the country's economic outlook! It was a grotesque misrepresentation of leave voters that still exists today.
Its so telling that Micheal Foot's very real concerns were immediately met by Ted Heath's childish misrepresentations of his arguments, as he knows deep down that Foot is absolutely correct about the then EEC! And the argument - back then in 1975 from remainers - 'of we are better off in, so we can change and democratise the stucture of the EEC/EU', is still being spouted by remainers today......has anything changed in 43 years??? NO, and it never will because it was never meant to!
Hierarchies, if unchecked, will always tend to centralise power more and more to fewer and fewer! People forget just how hard fought parliamentary democracy, with all its checks and balances was. Million's died over centuries, to get rights, freedom, justice and democracy!! Our system certainly is not perfect, but its far better then what the the EU has to offer, and we tear it down at our own peril!
The next time anyone tells you that we are better off remaining, ask them the following questions:
1. Explain to me who makes EU laws?
2. Describe the hierarchical structure of the EU?
3. Who is the President of the EU commission?
4. Name one commissioner?
5. Who is the President of the EU council?
6. Who is your local MEP, what do they do and what are their powers?
7. Did you vote in the last EU elections?
I guarantee you that they will all look confused, and they will have know idea WHATSOEVER, as to what the answers are. The question then should be the following:
If you don't you know anything about the EU, why are you supporting it??
Maybe then the penny will drop and remainers will realise that instead of labeling leavers as bigoted, ignorant racists, they would be better off doing some homework into what it is they voted for, and why the still support it!!
The people has spoken 😅👽👽👾👽👽👿
@morbeus Morbeus Exactly. Nobody would watch it. Except people like me, who cannot stand X-factor and all that moronic dribble-feed.
It's still true.
Everybody should have listened to Mr Foot. Reminds me of Ross Perot warning us about Nafta.
Michael Foot was so derided about his appearance. But he was brilliant, and would have made a great PM.
Michael Foot was right.
A time when Labour tried to stand up for the ordinary people of this country, instead of the version of Labour that we now have.
Michael Foot and Nigel Farage can shake hands on many matters here.
Heath: "(Statutory instruments) pour into Parliament, Parliament doesn't examine them. It just looks at a minority of them, because we know in practical experience it just isn't possible." Amazing that people heard Heath say that back then, in relation to the EU and never questioned it. Shocking.
@Simon Anderson: Yes indeed. I agree with you entirely. I was even a vehement opponent of Michael Foot in those years but ..... even at that time, I was 15 years of age, I also vehemently opposed any fairy-tale ideas of a "Europe". And, lo and behold, I am even more strongly opposed to any form of artificial, plastic "Europe" now. I've worked in my beloved homeland Great Britain, fighting the "EEC" and the "EU" and I've worked closely with citizens here in the "Federal Republic" of Germany against the "EU" as well as to prevent introduction here of the "euro". We Britons Need nothing less than a determined BREXIT and a complete divorce from the clutches of this antidemocratic Organisation and ist legal System. My very best wishes to my beloved homeland, Great Britain, and to our decisive BREXIT! My very best regards, Horatio Nelson.
Ted Heath, Michael Foot, Tony Benn, Enoch Powell, Harold Wilson, Jim Callaghan, Margaret Thatcher, Nigel Lawson, Dennis Healy, Michael Heseltine, David Owen, Shirley Williams, Geoffrey Howe, Keith Joseph. Compared with today's politicians they were moral and intellectual giants.
@TheForkHandles, Edward Heath, was profiled at Oxford, became a German Agent for the DVD out of Dachau Germany, for the job of lying to the British people about joining the EU. The fact he took the bribe means the treaty is illegal
Wow never thought I would agree so much with a Socialist. What the hell happened to the Labour party?
What a deep shame intelligent anti eu mps were ignored way back then
Very civilised debate.
My views are somewhat right of center. Thus I am amazed that I find myself nodding agreement with Michael Foot, and his well expressed and totally valid concerns.
Heath either did not have adequate insight, or he privately shared the goals of the 'EEC' to do away with democracy. Heath does however speak in a convincing, plausible sounding and even impressive manner. That is the danger of the man and his horrible ilk.
I am happy to find agreement to the left of politics for a change as their views nowadays all seem to be totally insane and divisive identity politics, fighting over who is the biggest victim, and unlimited mass third world immigration.
Compared to the clowns we have for politicians today these two were heavyweight giants.
I have watched Jenkins vs Benn (Jenkins won IMHO) and now I am watching this and Mr Foot seems to be getting the better of Mr Heath. Was there ever a match up between Jenkins vs Foot?? Now that would be worth watching!
Just about every point made here totally prefigured those made in the Brexit debate decades later.
Brexit, the best example of making a good decision for the wrong reasons. The right wing ended up appropriating the euroscepticism the left rejected and used racist fearmongering to win.
And because Tories have the same ideology that the Brussels technocrats, it has been a disaster. But it could have been different
The national dance of the EU... the Goose-step
Mr. Heath looks very menacing; I can just imagine him on the "Morning Cloud".
Yes! Listen also to FDR’s “Fireside Chats” - Detailed discussion of national economic policy - Carefully prepared for the mass of the population - many of whom could not read a newspaper.
Wow Michael Foot spoke the truth! What a shame he was a terrible Labour leader. He seems very eloquent with his argument's.
Reminds me of a vicar.
Debate with Courtesy...unlike today's rabble
michael foot was to the point. the eu is a not a democracy
Amazingly, Foot right about almost everything. The really striking thing is how serious the politicians were then - unlike the clowns now.
Talk about twisted. Heath ridicules foot. Then blows a lot of hot air and says nothing
3:12 Strange reference to keeping things under sacking in the cellar