After sighting in at 60 feet, I could easily cover 5 shots with a nickel th-cam.com/users/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL ! Truly a pleasure to shoot! Scope was easy to adjust for eye relief. Only problem the varmints must have seen it delivered lol!Update: So impressed with shot groups at 30 yards I purchased a Hammers 3×9 with adjustable Objective scope! Now a true nail driver!
I have been a professional shooter in Australia for most of my 56 years on this earth and I have culled everything from Ferrel dogs Roos Razorbacks horses donkeys and you name it . I use to use an Enfield 303 , now I use a Tikka 30 06 , and my late Wife's 222 , not a mention my leaver action 12 gague shotgun with 00 buckshot . And I am impressed with your firearm , never heard of it until tonight , but it would be great for foxes and dingoes and the Ferrel dogs I mentioned . Keep up the good work mate kindest Regards from Australia Cheers Dan 👍
30-06 is a fairly big step up over the .303 powerwise. At least as long as you stick to factory loads. I believe a .303 with a 150 gr bullet is usually somewhere around 2600-2700 fps. The '06 with a 150 grain bullet is usually around 2950ish fps. The .303 is has a slightly larger diameter bullet that the '06, (303=.311/312, .30-06=.308)@@pcakes1878
@@jackdundon2261 damn right man. But let's let these jagweeds keep on their 17hmr vs 22lr thoughts. That way there is always plenty of 17 on the shelf. I personally feel the 17hmr is the most exciting and enjoyable round on the market right now. On my paper targets...sometimes I thought i missed the target until I get down range and realize that I put all 11 rounds through the same dime sized hole. If it wasn't a rim fire round...it would be my preferred weapon for hunting. I just ordered my 2nd 17hmr. I bought a ruger precision 17 and a suppressor. The rifle will be here in 2 weeks and I've got about 8 or 9 months left on my FED approval. Talk about impatiently shittin bricks.
@@mattytheapplianceguy3973 I just got my precision in 17hmr, and out of the box, with a crappy scope and a 20 dollar bipod, I hit 3/4" at 50, 1-1/8" at 100, and just under 2" at 150. Love it!
22lr is an awsome round, and there are plenty of rimfire competitions utilizing 22lr out to 400 to 500 yards, and is an awsome round for beginners to learn their holds, windage, elavation etc. Also is a good hunt round out to 100yds, the 22 wmr extends the 22lr out to 200 yds and is excelent for headshots out to that point. In my opinion, the 17 takes the best of both rounds and is a quick go to for a flat trajectory. Before the 17hmr, they have had a centerfire 17, so the hmr broke ground in the rimfire world. But the 17 is a headshot precision round in my opinion, that way upon impact the round explodes and sends shards through the skull. There was a documented case where there was an area with diseased deer and the state sent hunters in to eliminate them, some had 22-50 and others had 22mag and were taking head shots with the average yardage shot being 150. So they are an equal round out to 150-200, but at about 175 yards the 22wmr takes the icing on the cake with being able to hold onto the ft lbs. At about 175 the 17 has the same ft lb energy as a typcial air rifle. In my opinion, 22mag is the best all around(which isnt always good), but with a good combination of rifle and scope, one would be able to set a zero at say 100yd, an have the correct markings above the zero for 50 and 75 yd, and the correct drop windage. 17hmr can take the cake for someone that is an extreme point and shoot kind of guy, sight in at 100 and be able to use the zero with no adjustment for 50-100yd and 100 to 200yd(of course there would be 1-2" of adjustment but you get my point). 22wmr is 4-6" at about 200yd depending on the round. So I guess breaking it all down to the basics, the only difference between the 2, 17 and wmr, is the amount of windage, other than that, they both have about the same effective distance and both kill.
I'll add a few thoughts here- 1. I wish we here in California could use suppressors 2. Hornaday .17HMR ammo is my go to. At a hundred meters, my rifle shoots very tight groups. CCI or Federal? Not as tight. 200& 300 meter groups are sub in accuracy with Hornaday. 3. Rabbit Tacos!!! Get fresh tortillas, grill Rabbit meat and add cilantro, lime, onions and Tapatio hot sauce. You will not be disappointed!!
A buddy and I decided to build some varmint precision rifles. He went with the ruger precision chambered in 22wmr i went with the savage b-17 chambered in the 17hmr. I prefer Shot placement over bullet mass. Ammo at our local store both cost $19 for 50 rounds. Hitting rockchucks between 150-200 yards between the 2 of us was hardly a challenge. His 22wmr was harder on shot acquisitions than my 17hmr but his had more pass through. I like the 17 because i can be more precise at different yardage and i dont have to worry about what my round is doing after ive hit the target. I dont get rounds buzzing back if i hit a rock or heading off to the nearest home or bystanders. I prefer the 17 because it has no velocity left once its passed through its target. And if you want to hunt something bigger take a bigger cartridge. But a 17hmr with a good platform and good shot execution will drop a coyote in its tracks all day long out 250 yards. SHOT PLACEMENT IS KEY FOR ANY CALIBER YOU SHOOT. Great shot placement is is everything in the hunting world along with precision shooting sports. Both are great rounds it all comes down to preference. And saying one is outright better then the other is completely negligent of the fact that different calibers work better for different shooting styles because it all comes down to PREFERENCE on each individual shooter. I dont watch these videos for persuasion i watch them purely because i enjoy finding videos showing good ethical kills while watching my preferred round getting the job done. I posted a video shooting the center of a bag at 150 yards with a bow and was told its unethical. Never said id hunt that way but its good practice. Unethical is only possible if your shot doesnt kill. 22wmr,22lr,17hmr... bad shotplacement happens in every caliber and practice with good shot placement is the only way to mitigate bad experiences.
I own a 17hmr and when he was going to call the fox the bullets he was taking out of the plastic guard were 223/556 not 17hmrs however he was definitely using the 17hmr on the rabbits
The .17HMR would really be pushing it on foxes/coyotes. I’ve seen people take them with headshots but it’s just alittle too underpowered. My go to for rabbit hunting with maybe a coyote opportunity is the .22WMR. If it’s around 100yds I know I can safely take a lung shot if the head isn’t exposed and know I’m getting more than enough penetration for the kill.
Don't shoot the area you wanna eat, my squirrel, rabbit, wild hog harvest went way up with the 17 hmr. Can't compare a .22 with a 17 hmr , 17 hmr better accuracy this pin point your shot.
@Vorraboms I would feed rabbits shot with a .22 to my hawks but not if the have been shot with a .17. I have found small bits of lead quite some distance from entry wound, back legs may be safe if you have a head / shoulder shot but i don't need to risk it.
I think the main reason people choose the .17HMR is purely for the trajectory. Having said that I’ve taken a lot of rabbits with headshots with the .22WMR and seen people take plenty of headshots with the .17HMR and not damage anything important.
No doubt the .17 HMR is a capable round. It's fast and flat-shooting. Not much aiming off do to at distance, compared to the .22 long rifle. But dead is dead and the .22 is easily capable of taking rabbits at the same distance as .17s, even if the .22 isn't as devastating in the terminal effect department (although CCI Stingers ad Remington Yellow Jackets, do a very good job). Plus the .22 being more than twice the bullet weight of a .17 handles wind a lot better. It may not shoot as flat, but it will not be blown about by wind (especially gusting wind). Plus .22 ammo is significantly cheaper than .17 and more readily available. I prefer 22.
Albert Head where I live the 22 ammo cost has skyrocketed. it is still cheaper then 17 hmr ammo but catching up in price. I use my 17 hmr at my farm to take beavers. I prefer the 17 over the 22 but have taken beavers with both. I find for me personally I prefer the flatter 17 trajectory over the 22 even though I shoot at short ranges ( usually 5 to 65 meters approx). I discovered take 2 beavers at approximately 10 ft.
Where i am a box of 17s arw literally less than a doller more for a box of 50, also saying the 17 is effected more than the 22 is subjective.. different bullets different ballistics in some cases more surface area can create more slip
HMR is very effective on bunnies as you say. And a lot more effective than a .22 on foxes. I have a .17HMR and a three .22's, I enjoy using them all at different times and for different things.
Over a few years I've shot 1000's of Rabbits out to 170 yards with my CZ 452 .22LR using a Burris ballistic reticule Laserscope, nicer to shoot, quieter, cheaper, doesn't pollute the meat with metal fragments. Only use 17 with night vision for flat trajectory and there's a big shortage of 17HMR 17.5 grainammo in the UK at the moment. I shoot off the top of my Suzuki Jimny automatic soft-top for foxes and rabbits, small as a Gator, more comfy, quieter, safer shooting position, lot cheaper!!!!!!!!!!.
Too much like comparing apples and oranges. The .17HMR is a rimfire round that looks and performs like a center fire round. A much lighter bullet than a .22 but much higher velocity. But which caliber is "better" is subjective at best.
.17 HMR is a niche caliber. It is good at extending your range slightly longer than .22 magnum but does not carry the punch that the .22 magnum 30 to 40 gr bullets have on larger tougher game like woodchuck. The .22 LR in skilled hands will kill way out there and does a fraction of meat damage of the .17 HMR. Rabbits are one of the easiest game animals to kill. They succumb to wounds that would keep a raccoon,woodchuck, or fox fighting a good deal longer. Lb for Lb rabbits are the weakest of game animals and the cheapest of pellet rifles will put them downs at 20yds.
nodresiak I agree with what you say about the hmr what I like about the .17 hmr is its flat trajectory say between 25 yards out to 100 yards. Just wanted to say 1 thing I shot at a fox that was running away from me with a shotgun and it dropped dead when I looked at the fox there was no blood at all my conclusion was the pellet went up its arse and killed it highly unlikely or it died from a heart attack true story lol
What was it doing with a shotgun in the first place? - Perhaps running away from you whilst carrying something so heavy was too much for it to survive.
4998826p You have a good point ! It is bad enough when a human steals your gun but it always makes me mad when Wiley Coyote steals one of my guns in a vain attempt to kill the Roadrunner.
I have a heavy barrel Marlin 22lr. Very accurate and effective out to 150 meters. A true marksman could easily kill animals at long distance with a .22
Great shooting....the 17hmr looks like a great round for small game. I was wondering if you shoot most of the rabbits doesn't it make it more likely that the Foxes will go after the lambs since you are cutting down on their natural food supply? You have really got me thinking about adding a new rifle in 17hmr to my collection.
Do you eat the rabbits? because if you do, stick them in the freezer whole guts fur everything, the fur stops them getting freezer burn. My dad grew up in Newfoundland where rabbits were a staple diet, I got this trick from him.
The 17 is a flatter shooting round than the 22 mag but it's a lighter bullet traveling faster and it affected by wind more than the 22 mag but the 22 mag hits harder at 300 yrds I shoot them both regularly at prairie dogs
Agree with the previous post about .22 LR Shot thousands of rabbits and hundreds of foxes with CCI stingers at ranges up to 200 yards in the 1980s on the family and surrounding farms.Used a Browning semi auto with an unbelievably quiet homemade silencer.
I prefer the .22lr because you can shoot subsonic ammo from it. The .17HMR is good, but it's much harder to use in populated areas due to the sound. You might be more able to use in in Britain due to suppressors being more allowed, but in the USA, but it's more of an issue in the U.S.
@@PileofBrass for things bigger than rabbit? Sure. I'd rather use 17 HMR for fox than 22 LR. But a 17 HMR does too much damage to something smaller than, say, raccoon, unless you're going for a headshot. And by then, you're wasting that 20+ cent cartridge by not using it for what it should be used for, unless you're shooting at said small game past 75 yards, which is when 22 LR starts to lose effectiveness. Use a 17 HMR for small game. Do it. But don't say it's superior to 22 LR.
Before owning a .17 HMR, I was skeptical of the performance of a bullet no bigger than a grain of rice. After using it on pesky ground hogs, I’m a believer.
Much better option than poison and the pelt and meat have great utility and value. I pray my life ends as abruptly and without my knowledge as it has for these beautiful and delicious little guys. Nice shooting!
@@escott3829 humane is defined as: having or showing compassion or benevolence. By definition there is no such thing as a "humane kill" It's a paradox. There's nothing humane about killing.
@@sexynumber60 Please allow Me Clue in... Reality is.. For Animals.. And Man is an Omnivore Animal.. Life IS Kill and Eat..OR Be Killed and BE Eaten. If YOU Choose to ignore millions of years evolution or the Facts of Nature... We as Humans can Kill Quickly... Cleanly.. Or As the Bear does, Pull flesh off of a quivering, still alive body Which is Humane.....? Go ahead.. Read the word Humane.. Think... Take a DEEP Breath.. Think some more....
2:25....It all depends what you are comfortable shooting with. I have hit targets out to 250 yards with 22LR. Not easy, but doable. But I also have a VERY accurate 22. It also demands that I only use ONE type of ammunition. Most people will not plunk-down the money for a Vorqurtensen, but it will put the rounds on target if you do your job. You need a very good scope and a very good shooting placement. Very picky. The 17 HMR is less picky and will give you shots offhand that will pass-up the Vorqurtensen. But at what cost? Rifle, rounds, and less training. 17HMR is for casual shooters. 22LR is for Experts. Case in point:......5.56 iron sights at 130 yards with a red dot. 28 out of 30 rings the steel. 22-250 at 130 yards with a Leupold 4x16 scope. All rounds hit within a .445 area. If I handload the 22-250,......all bets are off. 300 meters and a group of .30 with sandbags and a bench. My 22 Hornet shoots off sandbags at 250 to .32 diameter. And that is a pistol! It is the nut behind the recoil pad when it comes to innate accuracy. Rabbit head is huge when you look down the sights of a RWS Diana 34 Classic in 5.5 mil. At least out to 50 meters. Which is where that rifle kills at. Granted, I have killed squirrels at 120 yards with this rifle, but that is stretching it. Not dissing the 17HMR,.....just saying it has its place in the shooting world.
Fair points to all that, i know personally I have made 250-300 yard shots with my 22 for target but it does have a heavy barrel and not suitable for off hand shooting but great for field hunting off a rest or bipod as I’ve taken rabbits at 200 yd very easily.
I like .17 hmr in theory, but at almost the same price as 5.56/.223, you could use 40 grain varmint loads for rabbits and still be able to use heavier loads for big game.
Ryan Simpson I guess some places restrict centerfire cartridge use for some hunting. And this is in UK(?). I don't even know, if the government has given them permission to own anything bigger than 17/22LR.
+Ryan Simpson They eat Rabbit in England and as someone who has shot Rabbits with Varmint round .223 there is nothing left of them to eat. Fun though, and not a bad way to get rid of the pests.
+Will Myersw I would double check your facts before giving out advice like that. 20mm in the UK? Are you frikkin crazy? You obviously have no idea. Unless you mean 20mm shotgun or something. For rifles it's .22 max. Don't even get me started on what the pistol regulations are like over here. It's akin to the same way as you look at California gun laws. Pointless and only there to make money.
The .17HMR is great for small animals but this video kind of proves my point on why I prefer the .22WMR just for it’s flexibility. Out to 125yds both rounds can easily hit a target, even the .22 if zeroed correctly. The .17 is just too small for foxes/coyotes imo. I’ve seen people take lung shots with the .22 Mag and get surprisingly good penetration, nowhere near a .223 Rem but surprising for such a small round.
I've owned both .17 and .22 at the same time, Although yes, the .17 is a superior round, you can't beat the versatility of the .22. I enjoy plinking and shooting bunnies and pesky birds and I found switching between two rifles (and scopes) to be problematic when figuring out holds and getting used to ballistics. I found it's best to stick to one rifle, one calibre and be an expert at that rifle. Also, ammunition costs for .22 is cheaper and more readily available than .17. I can get a bulk pack of Federal and shoot all day long. Again, in terms of practice, the .22 will get you shooting more, which = better, more precise, more reliable shots. This goes for the larger calibres as well. I basically own my .22 Savage and a .270 Win. Although .270 Win is overkill for a lot of smaller game like foxes etc, I can be proficient at it, knowing exactly where to hold and how the gun behaves. I can try out many different rounds until I find one the gun likes, then bulk buy or reload. So in summary, less guns is better, be proficient with what you have and forget about exotic calibres. Old tried and tested is the way to go. The caveat to this would be if you only shoot bunnies and don't own a .22, then yes buy a .17.
For U.S. shooters who prefer .22 mag. I'll just say ok both are good,however I can find .17 HMR all day long and there's no 3 box limit. I haven't seen a single box of .22 mag. in 3 years.
thedefiantywc It's only starting to show up now, and very little. I'm set with .17 HMR as it's everywhere here (Arizona) .22 l. r. scarce still. I really like the .17 HMR it is superior in everyway. But I do own alot of .22 L.R. pistols and rifles.
17 hmr is probably the winner on rabbits . But not so much on larger small to medium game where I hunt / shoot, QLD Australia . There are rabbits , but also so hares , foxes , wild cats , wild dogs , dingos , goats , pigs . With a perfect brain shot the 17 hmr will do but 9 times out of 10 it's not perfect conditions . I have 2 22 magnums one open sighted erma lever action & a new Lithgow made in Australia bolt action . The 22 magnum out to 70 yards with open sights field shooting will take care of all the animals above up to about 30 - 35 kgs About 65-70lbs with shoulder/chest shots. Pigs of 35 kgs is the upper limit. I haven't used the Lithgow yet but that will be my go too spot lighting rifle from now on. In my neck off the woods 22 mag offers a tad more versatility using 45 & 50 gr bullets . I would really have like to see a .20 rim fire magnum , or new plus p ( higher pressure ) 22 mag made for the newer rifles. Ie 40 gr at a honest 2000+ fps or 50gr @ 1750 . We still don't have a true 150 meter rim fire that's capable of head shooting Roos reliably that cheaper than 223. That would sell like hot cakes down under & we now have the 3 locking lug Lithgow action that could handle a higher pressure cartridge .
The new Lithgow Bolt Action is a very nice rifle - I considered one, but they are very expensive here int he UK... You're a lucky man... My LR is a Browning T-Bolt, My WMR is a Sako Quad and my 223 is a Browning X-Bolt...
I think the comparison of 17HMR and 22lr is really not really the one you should be making.... They are totally different classes of cartridges. 17HM2 might have been a better comparison.
It may have more stopping power and range, but you'll never get a follow up 2nd shot with that bloody great bang! I've had 3 bunnies down in a minute with subsonic and silencer!
At 3:33 you can clearly see a bunch of centerfire cartridges. The 17HMR is not a centerfire, it is a rimfire, based on the 22WMR. Those might be a 17 Remington or other way more powerful round. Its all about how much powder, and the 17HMR to 22lr isn't even close powder to begin with.
I had a chance to shoot a 17HMR last year. At 35 yards we easily held 1/4 inch or less in the prone position. Went out to 50 yards, but unfortunately the wind started kicking up to maybe 25 or so and the bullets just went every which way. Very easily pushed around by the wind, and I would say much easier than even a 22LR. I can see if you spent a lot of time well past 100 yards that perhaps the 17HMR could have value, but zero to 100 yards I really fail to see the point, especially considering the exuberant cost difference.
Yeah my son got a Savage and I had an extra scope so I sighted it in for him, but I have a Marlin 917 and I gotta say there's no difference in accuracy that I can see. Both shooting eggs at 100 yards just hold an steady.
The .17 is an exceptional, powerful bullet, however costs 4X that of a high quality .22 The .17 however has ALWAYS been plentiful in stores even during the Obama Scare Era...
AGREE with everything you said except the word "exception" and "powerful." (No I don't want shot with one.) 50 years I have shot my FOUR 22 guns I own..... once each, and probably will die before I ever shoot them again. then again, I'm not a huge fan of 9mm as my self defense round, I'll take AT LEAST my 40 or 45.
Shooting my entire life. My father as well, uncles, cousins, etc. I've owned a 22 handgun, and a Mossberg 22 bolt action, that holds quite a bit of ammo in the tube, a single shot bolt action 22... etc. "Out of all the above guns, I have gotten them out..... each, ONCE in 50 years... each.... ONCE. Shot them maybe 10 rounds, put them away and have ZERO use for them, or desire to shoot them ever again. 17 HMR is a FANTASTIC flat shooting round, and I could go down a very LONG list of rifles and handguns in our arsenol of MANY calibers and tell you what each of them are FANTASTIC for. 22 you can have it. A few points below about it not hurting some small game meat... "okay" I will agree I suppose, although I don't have too much trouble using other rounds. GREAT FOR PLINKING.... 22 and having a good time, I would probably agree. My son just bought a 22 semi AR for fun..... almost qualifies as a pistol, but the barrell is just a smidge too long. I havne't shot it yet. PERSONALLY I want to spend my time honing in my skills on the many calibers I find useful. For me..... I LOVE THE 17 HMR... (although I still don't shoot it much, but I do lik the round.)
That's true, it is very much a question of range. If its beyond 50 metres the .17hmr trumps the .22lr subsonic. But less than that? The .22lr sub is king :)
***** I disagree if the subsonic can travel faster then 2550ps ( which i doubt it) then the .22lr is no match. There is so much incredible energy from the ballistic hornady bullets that at close range the damage is fantastic. I own a 93r17 hmr and have shot many pests with it at close range and even up to 200 yards and the damage was incredible. The 93r17 does have a bad side though, and that is, it is so much fun to shoot that you find it eats the bullets which are quite expensive.
***** The humble .22lr sub isn't king because of any glorifying factor. It is king because it costs considerably less and makes considerably less sound than the .17hmr. And if you use segmented ammo it is just as safe and a lot more powerful than you'd expect for a .22lr so gets the job done.
You made a good point, how ever, if you are looking for pure power from a rimfire rifle with a mighty penetration power then your looking at the hmr, with both the 20grn and the 17grn. I'm not knocking the 22lr at all i know two guys i hunt with that has both 22lr and the hmr, and we did a series of tests to see which was a better rifle at the end of the day. It was close i'll give it that. But in the end we all agreed that the hmr was the way to go. Thanks for the reply once again. regards.
Not really a comparison video per say. Plus the title was vague, just said .22. Is that lr, short, magnum, etc.? Personally I prefer .22 LR. It's reliable, accurate, affordable, and has alot of options in variety. Maybe I would see things differently if I had to shoot rabbit and squirrel at 150-200 yards, but my garden isn't that big. I mostly shoot them at 10-20 yards, and do a lot of target shooting with the Kids at 100 yards. So perhaps it's the application rather than the caliber that makes one round more effective than another.
apparently there expensive because its a hornet bullet. sometimes you can them at for ages. couple of years at a time. and you can only buy so many at once. dont shoot me down im no expert on this at all
Vastly different cartridges- the HMR is a necked down WMR cartridge that stays supersonic out past 50 yards...and as far as accuracy goes, try a 452 or 455 CZ in .22LR - it is capable of better accuracy than 99% of shooters can shoot...
They don't like suppression, I live in New Zealand and I don't use a suppressor as the small projectile doesn't like the change in harmonic. Its fragile and it you want the accuracy then use it like it is. We have used these out to over 500 yards with nil wind and a ballistic computer, range finder, and 17 hmr scope with successful results. Also shot deer with it, we were able plant it through the ear hole to drop them, the 17 is deadly!
I own both and I can't use my 17 on anything I plan to eat. It's too much damage to small game and it sends pieces of lead everywhere on the animal you shoot. Now if you're trying to just get rid of pests then the 17 it is.
I love my .17 hmr. But the reason why .22lr is superior is because a 50 round box of .17 hmr is around 12 usd. And a 550 round box of federal bulk .22lr is around 19 usd. That’s why we love .22lr so much. It’s too damn cheap not to shoot
It all depends on what you are using it for. if your out west and shooting 200 yards at rabbit give me the 17. However in most places iv'e hunted it is rare to shoot more than 50 to 100 yards at small game and the .22 is cheaper. But each to their own
this is like comparing a .22wmr against a cb short. of course there is going to be big advantages in favor of the .17 over the .22lr both are 2 very different rounds aside from both being rim fire. nice shooting though.
Just another take on a Louisiana dude, I cleaned my .22 and put it in the closet when I got my .17 hmr. Catch them squirrels laying flat on a tree a shoot the .17 hmr bout an inch in front of its head with ballistic tip ,it's dead without harming the meat, stick em in the harvest bag. My harvest went way up with th 17 , straight shooting as the 17 hmr is there is no reason to say it destroys too much meat, shoot em in the head. Never enjoyed a round like I have the 17 hmr . But that's just me, to each their own ,enjoy the .22 great.
@@williamray5467 Wow you are a great shot ,I try to get a hit fro the neck forward. The best that I can do . But I know guy's that hunt feral hogs with a .17hmr with that ballistic tip and they rave about it .
Thank you but actually No I am not a great shot the gun is true. Two things I've learned (1) after the first cleaning on my 17 hmr should never clean again just run a tight dry patch through it. (2) got to have a fair scope, I have a month 3-9x40 and that thing is right, $30 scope and good that's crazy but yeah your buds are right ,I've taken five wild hog with my Marlin. Once sighted in I try to make it a habit to shoot three eggs at 100 yrs every two weeks because practice and being comfortable with your gun is the key, your actually likely a better shot than many including me, it's mostly the gun setup and trueness.
The 17HMR behaves like a 22 magnum. Its smaller bullet is pushed much faster than your standard 22. Good work. I hope the rabbits are safe to eat. It would be shame if they were wasted. Thanks for sharing your work.
+Jeffrey Plum Just killing them and getting the vermin out of the farmers crops is reason enough to kill them. Kinda like wild hogs here in the States.
In Brazil Compressed air rifles are more practical , the cost benefit is greater , due to the bureaucracy to have a firearm even if it is small caliber like the .22 or .17
I will agree the .17 HMR is better than the .22 LR for small game, but I’ll also say the bullet itself has a bigger casing just not diameter which allows a smaller projectile to be just as fast and powerful as a .22 I have three .22’s and one HMR and I always pull out the HMR for squirrels before I go for the .22 just for accuracy and lethality. I’d say I’ve shot over 30 squirrels with one bullet each with the HMR but I remember a very detailed experience where I had to shoot a squirrel three times with a .22 before it dropped dead out of a tree versus one heart or headshot with the HMR. Idk just experience
@@aaronhawk4200 that’s impressive but not impossible I’ve seen a BB gun kill a buzzard doesn’t mean it’s meant for it just probably like you said good shot placement but I’ll add on with a pinch of luck too
Cost. Haven't priced ammo in Aus since I was asked to grab a box for a mate a few years ago. $230 per 500 compared to $40-$70 per 500 in .22LR. I'll go through that many in a few nights out west. Unless you were restricted by law to have a rimfire, I see no purpose in the HMR. You could download a .17 Remington or Hornet and ammo would be much cheaper and more accurate with better bullet selection. One thing I do know, whichever .17 you choose, be prepared to clean it often. They foul quick and accuracy goes with it. The .22 just keeps on going and you'll likely never wear a barrel out in your lifetime. For a relatively new cartridge, there sure are a lot of secondhand .17HMR's on the shelf... including my mate's.
+AusiKifaru27 I agree with anything you wrote,also 22 lr is making mutch less noise than 17 and it is totaly enough for rabbits hunt up to 100y.22 is cheap for plinking also,quiet when you are close to neighbours,enough powerful for small game ,barrel last forewer ......17 HMR??.....it is better to own 22 lr and some centerfire calibers more powerful than 17 hmr.
If you want to compare a round compare the .22wmr to the .17, the .22lr is a round in it's own league. Though I find the .22wmr to be far superior a .22lr in it's weight class can hold it's own. I think of course I'd rather a .22wmr in a survival situation if one had a dependable .22lr an individual would not go hungry providing proper shot placement!
Myself I sooner the .22 lr as the ammo is cheaper if it’s windy out the .22 don’t drift as much off aim, if you suppress the.17 it’s still louder than the .22 as the bullet is so fast and cracks through the air which the .22 subsonic don’t as its speed is much less, also the .17 barrel rifling do wear sooner than the .22 lr, so personally myself i prefer the .22lr
Why some are skipping HMR and going to reloading .17 Hornady Hornet. CZ 527, or Anschütz 1771 will do the trick. Even T/C Contender carbine with a Bullberry-made barrel and a can on the nose is quite nice. Can be downloaded to .17 HMR or Mach 2 if needed.
I don't really agree with .17 HMR being better and shooting farther. My .22 Mag will easily hit game at 200 and be consistent and still have plenty of punch to take down game. The .17 HMR has more issues with wind because of its weight and costs more than .22 MAG as well. I'm not knocking the .17 HMR, I just prefer the 22 MAG over the .17.
I prefer the .22 mag over my .17HMR. Probably because I shoot it more often due to the heavier bullet weights. I killed a coyote with my .22 mag at 292 yrds The first shot I shot low but nailed him on the second shot. I actually figured it was only about 250yrds when I made the shot. It wasn’t until a few months later I went back and ranged it with a range finder that I discovered it was 292.
@@TheJimyyy i have 2, 22 wmrs sold one and ordered a 17 for self testing lol cant wait until its in i have the henry 22 wmr and a cz 22 wmr sold the cz and ordered the 17 hmr in the frontier model, was not happy with the cz at all
I would no doubt enjoy the 17 but I have several vintage walnut stock heavy 22s. All topped with quality old school Weaver glass, I would doubt you could entice me to trade. 22s are cheap to feed, ammo is everywhere and I know how to shoot the guns. I really would like to try the 17, and I got millions of frikking rabbits around. Just wish I could rent one for a bit, if I liked it I would probably add a new gun to the safe.
Your job is so cool :) Dude get paid to go outside hunting and shooting all day. While I have to pay to shoot paper target in an indoor shooting range, at max 100m
17 is a lot louder then the 22 caliber and I'm hitting things with my 22 over 200 yards because it can go over a mile I like the 17 nothing bad to say about it but it's not my choice for shooting small game with but good video excellent shooting jolly good mate
Everyone's completely focused on the cost of the ammo, but what about the rifle itself? I believe .17 hmr rifles are much more specialized and often more expensive and with less customization options. I just bought a perfectly good Rossi .22 breakdown rifle for 89 USD and there is NOTHING more reliable and customizable than a Ruger 10/22.
Most rifles currently manufactured offer .17hmr variants for no extra cost whatsoever. Not sure where you're getting that information, but there's no sun shining there. For example, the ruger precision rimfire. Along with most CZ models etc.
Is the 17hmr good for rabbits & squirrels if you want to eat them ? Does it ruin to much meat ? Pest control is one thing , hunting is another . I really don't know. The 17 sure looks like fun, for me it would be cans & bottles. Every time I see someone frying a tree squirrel I get hungry .
Mmm.. 17HMR are very expensive rounds for a little rimfire... They are noisy.. they are badly affected by the wind.. They have one very good advantage over 22LR in that they don't ricochet so badly and the round usually disintegrates..
easy enough,it's serialized like the gun mind you,it counts as a firearm and is listed on our certificates,,target shooters get em on health n safety reasons ( hearing).
Well I had come to your video to learn about the .17 round having experience with a number of types of ammo but not this one. Looks to be very effective. I didn't expect to also get a little education on gun ownership from across the pond. As a American, I had always thought that it was next to impossible for a British citizen to even own a firearm. Glad to see I was mistaken.
I only use a 22magnum savage rifle and shoot rabbits and foxes find it works well on both also ues ruger precision rifle in .22 I use it for hunting rabbits and foxes as well
Honestly 22 mag hits far and has a harder punch on impact… can easily drop those foxes, a boar, deer or small moose and rip through a brick wall 5x faster then a 17hmr
Love my cooey 22 takes s.l&lr with some 22 ammo reaching 1700fps now it's hard to turn down I've dropped a coyote 180 yards out and shot porcupine with quites off my deck without disturbing the neighbors plus I use it for grouse hunting my grandfather shot more deer with his 22 than all other rifles combined
I don't think anyone claims the issue is it being that hard to find 17hmr rounds, it's that the selection of guns that shoot it is limited, which is fine if you're a hunter looking for a single small game rifle, there are enough to choose from. But if you're a new shooter who enjoys plinking cans and going to the range, or loyal to a certain brand like a lot of people are, .22lr still offers like a thousand guns to choose from.
.17 HMR is so much more devastating, and a beautiful round, but that beauty comes at a cost.. Really expensive rounds!!! I stick with .22LR for pest control.
@@joshuaesposito208 , while it is heavier and slower there are documented articles on the 22 wmr being more effective within 150 yrds on coyote sized mammals. Also in some states you can legally hunt deer with the 22wmr, not that I would advise it. I live in the northeast where 150 yard shot or less is usually the norm. If I was hunting prairie dogs at 300 yrds the 17 HMR would be my choice . So when I say the 22wmr has more dropping power it does in my application.
Bought a .17 HMR recently and I am amazed at the negativity you get when you do. Ammo is plentiful and cheap, especially compared to the .22 Magnum. Bought a box of 50 Hornady .17 HMR 17 grain V-Max for $13. .22 Magnum, no gun shop within 65 miles (and I checked) has any, and hasn't had any for 6 months and if and when you do for it, it will be well over $20 a box and then some. As for .22 Long Rifle, if I am 50 yards or so, which is common where I live, squirrels and rabbits are ok, but for varmints like fox and others, it will be the .17 HMR every time. Some think you need a .223 to kill them. I used to get on great with a .22 Hornet but the cost of the ammo and then having to reload it didn't seem worth it again so I got the .17 HMR.
Varmint ShootersUK I agree with you. My .22 MAG has no problem hitting consistantly at 200 yards and still has plenty power to take down all sorts of game. I will never get rid of my .22 MAG rifle, I love it too much. It's taken a bunch of various game and does it very efficiently.
I have a ton of respect for the 22 wmr. It’s what the 17 hmr was derived from. With that being said, the 22 wmr has been trumped. I’ve lung shot coyotes out to 300 and killed em. And not small coyotes either. Foxes, groundhogs, rabbits, opossums, skunks, raccoons, fischers, all have fallen and all at considerable distance. I have no doubt that you individually have great skill with your 22 wmr, which makes it deadly. But subtracting the human factor, the 17 hmr is my choice. And I like the fact it’s not much slower than some high powered rounds.
The 17HMR had a little more of an advantage over the 22WMR in some aspects when it first was introduced. The 30gr V MAX load for the 22WMR really narrowed the field in my opinion. The 17HMR is slightly more accurate than the 22WMR with the 30gr V Max...Having said that, I regularly shoot 1/2-3/4" groups with the 30gr V Max load @100yds on calm days, comparing pretty favorably to the 17HMR. (The old days of cheap 22WMR loads shooting paper plate size groups are now history). I like both the 22WMR and the 17HMR, having to choose I personally prefer the 22WMR and have sold off my 17HMR rifles. (Everyone has their own niche in this case). what I REALLY like are the 17HM2 and the 17WSM.... The 17WSM is a GREAT Cartridge but the disastrous way it was introduced to the shooting world has pretty much signed it's own death warrant.....
After sighting in at 60 feet, I could easily cover 5 shots with a nickel th-cam.com/users/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL ! Truly a pleasure to shoot! Scope was easy to adjust for eye relief. Only problem the varmints must have seen it delivered lol!Update: So impressed with shot groups at 30 yards I purchased a Hammers 3×9 with adjustable Objective scope! Now a true nail driver!
I have been a professional shooter in Australia for most of my 56 years on this earth and I have culled everything from Ferrel dogs Roos Razorbacks horses donkeys and you name it . I use to use an Enfield 303 , now I use a Tikka 30 06 , and my late Wife's 222 , not a mention my leaver action 12 gague shotgun with 00 buckshot . And I am impressed with your firearm , never heard of it until tonight , but it would be great for foxes and dingoes and the Ferrel dogs I mentioned . Keep up the good work mate kindest Regards from Australia Cheers Dan 👍
is the 30-06 compatible to power to .303 british? iblearned on a 303 now im wptried everything else gonna feel underpowered
30-06 is a fairly big step up over the .303 powerwise. At least as long as you stick to factory loads. I believe a .303 with a 150 gr bullet is usually somewhere around 2600-2700 fps. The '06 with a 150 grain bullet is usually around 2950ish fps. The .303 is has a slightly larger diameter bullet that the '06, (303=.311/312, .30-06=.308)@@pcakes1878
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Why do reviewers keep comparing the .17hmr with the 22lr when the 17hmr is based on the 22 magnum case? Shouldn't they be comparing it to the 22wmr?
I should think so as rhe .22lr isn't comparable to the .17hmr. But the .22wmr now that surely is!
Why? Probably because for every .22 WMR bullet sold, they sell 100,000 .22 LR's
Cause people who make comments have no clue what they are talking about.
@@jackdundon2261 damn right man. But let's let these jagweeds keep on their 17hmr vs 22lr thoughts. That way there is always plenty of 17 on the shelf. I personally feel the 17hmr is the most exciting and enjoyable round on the market right now. On my paper targets...sometimes I thought i missed the target until I get down range and realize that I put all 11 rounds through the same dime sized hole. If it wasn't a rim fire round...it would be my preferred weapon for hunting. I just ordered my 2nd 17hmr. I bought a ruger precision 17 and a suppressor. The rifle will be here in 2 weeks and I've got about 8 or 9 months left on my FED approval. Talk about impatiently shittin bricks.
@@mattytheapplianceguy3973 I just got my precision in 17hmr, and out of the box, with a crappy scope and a 20 dollar bipod, I hit 3/4" at 50, 1-1/8" at 100, and just under 2" at 150. Love it!
22lr is an awsome round, and there are plenty of rimfire competitions utilizing 22lr out to 400 to 500 yards, and is an awsome round for beginners to learn their holds, windage, elavation etc. Also is a good hunt round out to 100yds, the 22 wmr extends the 22lr out to 200 yds and is excelent for headshots out to that point. In my opinion, the 17 takes the best of both rounds and is a quick go to for a flat trajectory. Before the 17hmr, they have had a centerfire 17, so the hmr broke ground in the rimfire world. But the 17 is a headshot precision round in my opinion, that way upon impact the round explodes and sends shards through the skull. There was a documented case where there was an area with diseased deer and the state sent hunters in to eliminate them, some had 22-50 and others had 22mag and were taking head shots with the average yardage shot being 150. So they are an equal round out to 150-200, but at about 175 yards the 22wmr takes the icing on the cake with being able to hold onto the ft lbs. At about 175 the 17 has the same ft lb energy as a typcial air rifle. In my opinion, 22mag is the best all around(which isnt always good), but with a good combination of rifle and scope, one would be able to set a zero at say 100yd, an have the correct markings above the zero for 50 and 75 yd, and the correct drop windage. 17hmr can take the cake for someone that is an extreme point and shoot kind of guy, sight in at 100 and be able to use the zero with no adjustment for 50-100yd and 100 to 200yd(of course there would be 1-2" of adjustment but you get my point). 22wmr is 4-6" at about 200yd depending on the round. So I guess breaking it all down to the basics, the only difference between the 2, 17 and wmr, is the amount of windage, other than that, they both have about the same effective distance and both kill.
I'll add a few thoughts here-
1. I wish we here in California could use suppressors
2. Hornaday .17HMR ammo is my go to. At a hundred meters, my rifle shoots very tight groups. CCI or Federal? Not as tight. 200& 300 meter groups are sub in accuracy with Hornaday.
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A buddy and I decided to build some varmint precision rifles. He went with the ruger precision chambered in 22wmr i went with the savage b-17 chambered in the 17hmr. I prefer Shot placement over bullet mass. Ammo at our local store both cost $19 for 50 rounds. Hitting rockchucks between 150-200 yards between the 2 of us was hardly a challenge. His 22wmr was harder on shot acquisitions than my 17hmr but his had more pass through. I like the 17 because i can be more precise at different yardage and i dont have to worry about what my round is doing after ive hit the target. I dont get rounds buzzing back if i hit a rock or heading off to the nearest home or bystanders. I prefer the 17 because it has no velocity left once its passed through its target. And if you want to hunt something bigger take a bigger cartridge. But a 17hmr with a good platform and good shot execution will drop a coyote in its tracks all day long out 250 yards. SHOT PLACEMENT IS KEY FOR ANY CALIBER YOU SHOOT. Great shot placement is is everything in the hunting world along with precision shooting sports. Both are great rounds it all comes down to preference. And saying one is outright better then the other is completely negligent of the fact that different calibers work better for different shooting styles because it all comes down to PREFERENCE on each individual shooter. I dont watch these videos for persuasion i watch them purely because i enjoy finding videos showing good ethical kills while watching my preferred round getting the job done. I posted a video shooting the center of a bag at 150 yards with a bow and was told its unethical. Never said id hunt that way but its good practice. Unethical is only possible if your shot doesnt kill. 22wmr,22lr,17hmr... bad shotplacement happens in every caliber and practice with good shot placement is the only way to mitigate bad experiences.
I own a 17hmr and when he was going to call the fox the bullets he was taking out of the plastic guard were 223/556 not 17hmrs however he was definitely using the 17hmr on the rabbits
The .17HMR would really be pushing it on foxes/coyotes. I’ve seen people take them with headshots but it’s just alittle too underpowered. My go to for rabbit hunting with maybe a coyote opportunity is the .22WMR. If it’s around 100yds I know I can safely take a lung shot if the head isn’t exposed and know I’m getting more than enough penetration for the kill.
I killed foxes with air rifle Num nuts
I have no idea what he said :-)
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I haven't a problem making out what the man is saying. Must just be you folks.
i speak spanish, i learned english, and i said. I do not understand any ****
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22LR doesnt damage meat and hide as much so it is much vetter for harvesting. Also 22 is like half the price
Don't shoot the area you wanna eat, my squirrel, rabbit, wild hog harvest went way up with the 17 hmr. Can't compare a .22 with a 17 hmr , 17 hmr better accuracy this pin point your shot.
@Vorraboms I would feed rabbits shot with a .22 to my hawks but not if the have been shot with a .17. I have found small bits of lead quite some distance from entry wound, back legs may be safe if you have a head / shoulder shot but i don't need to risk it.
I think the main reason people choose the .17HMR is purely for the trajectory. Having said that I’ve taken a lot of rabbits with headshots with the .22WMR and seen people take plenty of headshots with the .17HMR and not damage anything important.
@@williamray5467 I PREFER 22 MAG BETTER THAN BOTH
Effective range is 80 yards less.
No doubt the .17 HMR is a capable round. It's fast and flat-shooting. Not much aiming off do to at distance, compared to the .22 long rifle. But dead is dead and the .22 is easily capable of taking rabbits at the same distance as .17s, even if the .22 isn't as devastating in the terminal effect department (although CCI Stingers ad Remington Yellow Jackets, do a very good job). Plus the .22 being more than twice the bullet weight of a .17 handles wind a lot better. It may not shoot as flat, but it will not be blown about by wind (especially gusting wind). Plus .22 ammo is significantly cheaper than .17 and more readily available. I prefer 22.
Actually where i live 17HMR is more available, Cant seem to find 22LR anywhere
I shoot cci segmented hollow point the affect is about the same as the 17 hmr on rabbits
Albert Head where I live the 22 ammo cost has skyrocketed. it is still cheaper then 17 hmr ammo but catching up in price. I use my 17 hmr at my farm to take beavers. I prefer the 17 over the 22 but have taken beavers with both. I find for me personally I prefer the flatter 17 trajectory over the 22 even though I shoot at short ranges ( usually 5 to 65 meters approx). I discovered take 2 beavers at approximately 10 ft.
Albert Head on normal .22 distances I've found that the .17 has less drift. Bullet weight isn't everything, velocity is a significant factor too.
Where i am a box of 17s arw literally less than a doller more for a box of 50, also saying the 17 is effected more than the 22 is subjective.. different bullets different ballistics in some cases more surface area can create more slip
HMR is very effective on bunnies as you say. And a lot more effective than a .22 on foxes. I have a .17HMR and a three .22's, I enjoy using them all at different times and for different things.
Over a few years I've shot 1000's of Rabbits out to 170 yards with my CZ 452 .22LR using a Burris ballistic reticule Laserscope, nicer to shoot, quieter, cheaper, doesn't pollute the meat with metal fragments. Only use 17 with night vision for flat trajectory and there's a big shortage of 17HMR 17.5 grainammo in the UK at the moment. I shoot off the top of my Suzuki Jimny automatic soft-top for foxes and rabbits, small as a Gator, more comfy, quieter, safer shooting position, lot cheaper!!!!!!!!!!.
Alan George fine rifle
I have had dreams of that rifle!
Too much like comparing apples and oranges. The .17HMR is a rimfire round that looks and performs like a center fire round. A much lighter bullet than a .22 but much higher velocity. But which caliber is "better" is subjective at best.
.17 HMR is a niche caliber. It is good at extending your range slightly longer than .22 magnum but does not carry the punch that the .22 magnum 30 to 40 gr bullets have on larger tougher game like woodchuck. The .22 LR in skilled hands will kill way out there and does a fraction of meat damage of the .17 HMR. Rabbits are one of the easiest game animals to kill. They succumb to wounds that would keep a raccoon,woodchuck, or fox fighting a good deal longer. Lb for Lb rabbits are the weakest of game animals and the cheapest of pellet rifles will put them downs at 20yds.
And the title of the video also, of course 17 hmr can be considered better it's more powerful than a 22lr
nodresiak I agree with what you say about the hmr what I like about the .17 hmr is its flat trajectory say between 25 yards out to 100 yards. Just wanted to say 1 thing I shot at a fox that was running away from me with a shotgun and it dropped dead when I looked at the fox there was no blood at all my conclusion was the pellet went up its arse and killed it highly unlikely or it died from a heart attack true story lol
What was it doing with a shotgun in the first place? - Perhaps running away from you whilst carrying something so heavy was too much for it to survive.
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You have a good point ! It is bad enough when a human steals your gun but it always makes me mad when Wiley Coyote steals one of my guns in a vain attempt to kill the Roadrunner.
nodresiak agree as i kid i hunted rabbits with a daisy...red ryder knock off..
In the us I can get .22lr for around 7 cents a round, 17 hmr is over 20 cents a round.
17hmr isn't comparable to a .22lr, it's much closer to a .22 mag.
I just picked up a savage 93R17 with the heavy barrel. Im super stoked to take it out but also worries that my .22 rifles will get rusty as well!! 😜
Not to mention if you have a slight gust of wind your key holeing
@@stinger1-48inf3 I skipped the 22 and got the same rifle.
I have a heavy barrel Marlin 22lr. Very accurate and effective out to 150 meters. A true marksman could easily kill animals at long distance with a .22
I totally agree with andy,The .17 is a good general all round rifle and does what it says on the tin.;-]
Great shooting....the 17hmr looks like a great round for small game. I was wondering if you shoot most of the rabbits doesn't it make it more likely that the Foxes will go after the lambs since you are cutting down on their natural food supply? You have really got me thinking about adding a new rifle in 17hmr to my collection.
Do you eat the rabbits? because if you do, stick them in the freezer whole guts fur everything, the fur stops them getting freezer burn. My dad grew up in Newfoundland where rabbits were a staple diet, I got this trick from him.
I would remove the guts, but keep the fur on if you plan to freeze the meat - but good point to raise!!
That’ll feed him for a while
.22 lr is great but I always opt for my .17 when there's work to be done.
The 17 is a flatter shooting round than the 22 mag but it's a lighter bullet traveling faster and it affected by wind more than the 22 mag but the 22 mag hits harder at 300 yrds I shoot them both regularly at prairie dogs
Agree with the previous post about .22 LR Shot thousands of rabbits and hundreds of foxes with CCI stingers at ranges up to 200 yards in the 1980s on the family and surrounding farms.Used a Browning semi auto with an unbelievably quiet homemade silencer.
I prefer the .22lr because you can shoot subsonic ammo from it. The .17HMR is good, but it's much harder to use in populated areas due to the sound.
You might be more able to use in in Britain due to suppressors being more allowed, but in the USA, but it's more of an issue in the U.S.
***** Yeah, well the problem with .22 is that when they hit something like stone or even wood they tend to rebound off in any random direction.
+Brad Weetman
Fair enough.
+TheZombieburner Silencers are becoming legal to hunt with in more states every year.
Looks like gun manufactures did a fine job of convincing folks they need to buy another gun, while im still killing em with a .22 lr just fine, LOL.
That little .17 is a thumper. Better than .22lr for varminting.
@@PileofBrass for things bigger than rabbit? Sure. I'd rather use 17 HMR for fox than 22 LR. But a 17 HMR does too much damage to something smaller than, say, raccoon, unless you're going for a headshot. And by then, you're wasting that 20+ cent cartridge by not using it for what it should be used for, unless you're shooting at said small game past 75 yards, which is when 22 LR starts to lose effectiveness.
Use a 17 HMR for small game. Do it. But don't say it's superior to 22 LR.
Have both and very happy with there performance
Before owning a .17 HMR, I was skeptical of the performance of a bullet no bigger than a grain of rice. After using it on pesky ground hogs, I’m a believer.
Much better option than poison and the pelt and meat have great utility and value. I pray my life ends as abruptly and without my knowledge as it has for these beautiful and delicious little guys. Nice shooting!
Yep.. We are judged by how WE kill.. A Humane Quick kill IS The Only Way.
@@escott3829 humane is defined as: having or showing compassion or benevolence.
By definition there is no such thing as a "humane kill"
It's a paradox. There's nothing humane about killing.
@@sexynumber60 Please allow Me Clue in... Reality is.. For Animals.. And Man is an Omnivore Animal.. Life IS Kill and Eat..OR Be Killed and BE Eaten. If YOU Choose to ignore millions of years evolution or the Facts of Nature...
We as Humans can Kill Quickly... Cleanly..
Or
As the Bear does, Pull flesh off of a quivering, still alive body
Which is Humane.....?
Go ahead.. Read the word Humane.. Think... Take a DEEP Breath.. Think some more....
Austin Frasher oh come on you know what we mean, it’s painless and they are dead before they have registered what happened
@@sexynumber60 bro you dropped your soylent
I've the Anschutz 1517 in 17HMR Walnut very accurate,
That was some fine shooting! Those bunnies never had a chance!
2:25....It all depends what you are comfortable shooting with. I have hit targets out to 250 yards with 22LR. Not easy, but doable. But I also have a VERY accurate 22. It also demands that I only use ONE type of ammunition. Most people will not plunk-down the money for a Vorqurtensen, but it will put the rounds on target if you do your job. You need a very good scope and a very good shooting placement. Very picky.
The 17 HMR is less picky and will give you shots offhand that will pass-up the Vorqurtensen. But at what cost?
Rifle, rounds, and less training. 17HMR is for casual shooters. 22LR is for Experts.
Case in point:......5.56 iron sights at 130 yards with a red dot. 28 out of 30 rings the steel.
22-250 at 130 yards with a Leupold 4x16 scope. All rounds hit within a .445 area. If I handload the 22-250,......all bets are off. 300 meters and a group of .30 with sandbags and a bench.
My 22 Hornet shoots off sandbags at 250 to .32 diameter. And that is a pistol! It is the nut behind the recoil pad when it comes to innate accuracy.
Rabbit head is huge when you look down the sights of a RWS Diana 34 Classic in 5.5 mil. At least out to 50 meters. Which is where that rifle kills at.
Granted, I have killed squirrels at 120 yards with this rifle, but that is stretching it.
Not dissing the 17HMR,.....just saying it has its place in the shooting world.
Fair points to all that, i know personally I have made 250-300 yard shots with my 22 for target but it does have a heavy barrel and not suitable for off hand shooting but great for field hunting off a rest or bipod as I’ve taken rabbits at 200 yd very easily.
I like .17 hmr in theory, but at almost the same price as 5.56/.223, you could use 40 grain varmint loads for rabbits and still be able to use heavier loads for big game.
Ryan Simpson I guess some places restrict centerfire cartridge use for some hunting. And this is in UK(?). I don't even know, if the government has given them permission to own anything bigger than 17/22LR.
+gophop in the uk you can own up to a 20mm as long as its boltaction and youre part of a club
***** thats what i just said 20mm is a lot bigger than .50
+Ryan Simpson They eat Rabbit in England and as someone who has shot Rabbits with Varmint round .223 there is nothing left of them to eat. Fun though, and not a bad way to get rid of the pests.
+Will Myersw I would double check your facts before giving out advice like that. 20mm in the UK? Are you frikkin crazy? You obviously have no idea. Unless you mean 20mm shotgun or something. For rifles it's .22 max. Don't even get me started on what the pistol regulations are like over here. It's akin to the same way as you look at California gun laws. Pointless and only there to make money.
The .17HMR is great for small animals but this video kind of proves my point on why I prefer the .22WMR just for it’s flexibility. Out to 125yds both rounds can easily hit a target, even the .22 if zeroed correctly. The .17 is just too small for foxes/coyotes imo. I’ve seen people take lung shots with the .22 Mag and get surprisingly good penetration, nowhere near a .223 Rem but surprising for such a small round.
I've owned both .17 and .22 at the same time, Although yes, the .17 is a superior round, you can't beat the versatility of the .22. I enjoy plinking and shooting bunnies and pesky birds and I found switching between two rifles (and scopes) to be problematic when figuring out holds and getting used to ballistics. I found it's best to stick to one rifle, one calibre and be an expert at that rifle. Also, ammunition costs for .22 is cheaper and more readily available than .17. I can get a bulk pack of Federal and shoot all day long. Again, in terms of practice, the .22 will get you shooting more, which = better, more precise, more reliable shots.
This goes for the larger calibres as well. I basically own my .22 Savage and a .270 Win. Although .270 Win is overkill for a lot of smaller game like foxes etc, I can be proficient at it, knowing exactly where to hold and how the gun behaves. I can try out many different rounds until I find one the gun likes, then bulk buy or reload.
So in summary, less guns is better, be proficient with what you have and forget about exotic calibres. Old tried and tested is the way to go. The caveat to this would be if you only shoot bunnies and don't own a .22, then yes buy a .17.
I plink with the 17 too 😂
My little 17 is by far the most accurate rim fire I’ve ever shot
If you don’t mind I was wondering what gun it was
@@amduck4883 Savage 93r17 stainless bull barrel bolt action
For U.S. shooters who prefer .22 mag. I'll just say ok both are good,however I can find .17 HMR all day long and there's no 3 box limit. I haven't seen a single box of .22 mag. in 3 years.
+C Kim That's the reason why I'm thinking 17 HMR is the better route.
+C Kim its not that hard to find 22lr ammo about 3 monthes ago i went and stocked up bought about 2000 rounds in 3 days some online some at stores
thedefiantywc Its location dependent. Where I live (Florida) when it gets to the store and hits the shelf it sells out in a heart beat.
thedefiantywc It's only starting to show up now, and very little. I'm set with .17 HMR as it's everywhere here (Arizona) .22 l. r. scarce still.
I really like the .17 HMR it is superior in everyway. But I do own alot of .22 L.R. pistols and rifles.
+C Kim I agree. I am starting to see .22 in stores now though. I prefer .17, yet it is more expensive than .22
17 hmr is probably the winner on rabbits . But not so much on larger small to medium game where I hunt / shoot, QLD Australia . There are rabbits , but also so hares , foxes , wild cats , wild dogs , dingos , goats , pigs . With a perfect brain shot the 17 hmr will do but 9 times out of 10 it's not perfect conditions . I have 2 22 magnums one open sighted erma lever action & a new Lithgow made in Australia bolt action . The 22 magnum out to 70 yards with open sights field shooting will take care of all the animals above up to about 30 - 35 kgs About 65-70lbs with shoulder/chest shots. Pigs of 35 kgs is the upper limit. I haven't used the Lithgow yet but that will be my go too spot lighting rifle from now on. In my neck off the woods 22 mag offers a tad more versatility using 45 & 50 gr bullets . I would really have like to see a .20 rim fire magnum , or new plus p ( higher pressure ) 22 mag made for the newer rifles. Ie 40 gr at a honest 2000+ fps or 50gr @ 1750 . We still don't have a true 150 meter rim fire that's capable of head shooting Roos reliably that cheaper than 223. That would sell like hot cakes down under & we now have the 3 locking lug Lithgow action that could handle a higher pressure cartridge .
The new Lithgow Bolt Action is a very nice rifle - I considered one, but they are very expensive here int he UK... You're a lucky man... My LR is a Browning T-Bolt, My WMR is a Sako Quad and my 223 is a Browning X-Bolt...
I think the comparison of 17HMR and 22lr is really not really the one you should be making....
They are totally different classes of cartridges. 17HM2 might have been a better comparison.
It may have more stopping power and range, but you'll never get a follow up 2nd shot with that bloody great bang! I've had 3 bunnies down in a minute with subsonic and silencer!
That's a ton of good eating right there
At 3:33 you can clearly see a bunch of centerfire cartridges. The 17HMR is not a centerfire, it is a rimfire, based on the 22WMR. Those might be a 17 Remington or other way more powerful round. Its all about how much powder, and the 17HMR to 22lr isn't even close powder to begin with.
Those rounds are .22 centrefire 223, 22-250 or poss 243 as he’s calling for a fox , he’s changed rifle, he’s using 17hmr prior to that
@@paulwilliams8536 If I'm honest, it is hard to tell what he is saying.
I had a chance to shoot a 17HMR last year. At 35 yards we easily held 1/4 inch or less in the prone position. Went out to 50 yards, but unfortunately the wind started kicking up to maybe 25 or so and the bullets just went every which way. Very easily pushed around by the wind, and I would say much easier than even a 22LR. I can see if you spent a lot of time well past 100 yards that perhaps the 17HMR could have value, but zero to 100 yards I really fail to see the point, especially considering the exuberant cost difference.
Couldn't agree more love my 17 carbean shoots long and flat and hits hard
The 17 HMR is not better than a 22 Long rifle. They are both designed to do what they do and they both do it perfectly
My Savage 93R17 is a tac driver. I love it.
Yeah my son got a Savage and I had an extra scope so I sighted it in for him, but I have a Marlin 917 and I gotta say there's no difference in accuracy that I can see. Both shooting eggs at 100 yards just hold an steady.
The .17 is an exceptional, powerful bullet, however costs 4X that of a high quality .22 The .17 however has ALWAYS been plentiful in stores even during the Obama Scare Era...
AGREE with everything you said except the word "exception" and "powerful." (No I don't want shot with one.) 50 years I have shot my FOUR 22 guns I own..... once each, and probably will die before I ever shoot them again. then again, I'm not a huge fan of 9mm as my self defense round, I'll take AT LEAST my 40 or 45.
Shooting my entire life. My father as well, uncles, cousins, etc. I've owned a 22 handgun, and a Mossberg 22 bolt action, that holds quite a bit of ammo in the tube, a single shot bolt action 22... etc. "Out of all the above guns, I have gotten them out..... each, ONCE in 50 years... each.... ONCE. Shot them maybe 10 rounds, put them away and have ZERO use for them, or desire to shoot them ever again. 17 HMR is a FANTASTIC flat shooting round, and I could go down a very LONG list of rifles and handguns in our arsenol of MANY calibers and tell you what each of them are FANTASTIC for. 22 you can have it. A few points below about it not hurting some small game meat... "okay" I will agree I suppose, although I don't have too much trouble using other rounds. GREAT FOR PLINKING.... 22 and having a good time, I would probably agree. My son just bought a 22 semi AR for fun..... almost qualifies as a pistol, but the barrell is just a smidge too long. I havne't shot it yet. PERSONALLY I want to spend my time honing in my skills on the many calibers I find useful. For me..... I LOVE THE 17 HMR... (although I still don't shoot it much, but I do lik the round.)
To be fair if you shoot a rabbit with a .22lr but use CCI subsonic segmented hollow points it doesn't matter where you hit them either.
Yep but the range just is not in the .22lr
That's true, it is very much a question of range. If its beyond 50 metres the .17hmr trumps the .22lr subsonic. But less than that? The .22lr sub is king :)
***** I disagree if the subsonic can travel faster then 2550ps ( which i doubt it) then the .22lr is no match. There is so much incredible energy from the ballistic hornady bullets that at close range the damage is fantastic. I own a 93r17 hmr and have shot many pests with it at close range and even up to 200 yards and the damage was incredible. The 93r17 does have a bad side though, and that is, it is so much fun to shoot that you find it eats the bullets which are quite expensive.
***** The humble .22lr sub isn't king because of any glorifying factor. It is king because it costs considerably less and makes considerably less sound than the .17hmr. And if you use segmented ammo it is just as safe and a lot more powerful than you'd expect for a .22lr so gets the job done.
You made a good point, how ever, if you are looking for pure power from a rimfire rifle with a mighty penetration power then your looking at the hmr, with both the 20grn and the 17grn. I'm not knocking the 22lr at all i know two guys i hunt with that has both 22lr and the hmr, and we did a series of tests to see which was a better rifle at the end of the day. It was close i'll give it that. But in the end we all agreed that the hmr was the way to go. Thanks for the reply once again. regards.
Not really a comparison video per say. Plus the title was vague, just said .22. Is that lr, short, magnum, etc.? Personally I prefer
.22 LR. It's reliable, accurate, affordable, and has alot of options in variety. Maybe I would see things differently if I had to shoot rabbit and squirrel at 150-200 yards, but my garden isn't that big. I mostly shoot them at 10-20 yards, and do a lot of target shooting with the Kids at 100 yards. So perhaps it's the application rather than the caliber that makes one round more effective than another.
I like my .22 plainly because its £5 for 100 cartridges, what's not to like?
TheFieldman that's really cheap. In Ireland 22 bullets for my dads gun are €1.50 / €2.00 a bullet.
Ferguson 20 diesel wow thats expensive!!! In Australia for my CZ452 it costs me $80 for 500 rounds
apparently there expensive because its a hornet bullet. sometimes you can them at for ages. couple of years at a time. and you can only buy so many at once.
dont shoot me down im no expert on this at all
22 hornet is way different and a lot more expensive than 22LR, so that explains that. In France I get my .22LR for around 50€ for 500.
A box of 525 costs about $30 around here (Missouri USA)
Vastly different cartridges- the HMR is a necked down WMR cartridge that stays supersonic out past 50 yards...and as far as accuracy goes, try a 452 or 455 CZ in .22LR - it is capable of better accuracy than 99% of shooters can shoot...
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They don't like suppression, I live in New Zealand and I don't use a suppressor as the small projectile doesn't like the change in harmonic. Its fragile and it you want the accuracy then use it like it is. We have used these out to over 500 yards with nil wind and a ballistic computer, range finder, and 17 hmr scope with successful results. Also shot deer with it, we were able plant it through the ear hole to drop them, the 17 is deadly!
I own both and I can't use my 17 on anything I plan to eat. It's too much damage to small game and it sends pieces of lead everywhere on the animal you shoot. Now if you're trying to just get rid of pests then the 17 it is.
No problem if headshot with CCI TNT-Green HPs in .17 HMR. All-copper, not even any bit of plastic.
I love my .17 hmr. But the reason why .22lr is superior is because a 50 round box of .17 hmr is around 12 usd. And a 550 round box of federal bulk .22lr is around 19 usd. That’s why we love .22lr so much. It’s too damn cheap not to shoot
I love both, but I like .17 HMR more
It all depends on what you are using it for. if your out west and shooting 200 yards at rabbit give me the 17. However in most places iv'e hunted it is rare to shoot more than 50 to 100 yards at small game and the .22 is cheaper. But each to their own
Ye maybe after 150yards 17hmr brings something to the table otherwise not. There is subsonic in 22lr as well and 17 hmr is expensive
Meanwhile the 17 wsm and 22 wmr outpace and outperform both if that ever matters ( 22 wmr is my preferred)
this is like comparing a
.22wmr against a cb short. of course there is going to be big advantages in favor of the .17 over the .22lr both are 2 very different rounds aside from both being rim fire. nice shooting though.
Louisiana coonass here I use a .22lr hunting @ one hour before sunset . The 17hmr will drop them all right , but man you destroy so much good meat .
Just another take on a Louisiana dude, I cleaned my .22 and put it in the closet when I got my .17 hmr. Catch them squirrels laying flat on a tree a shoot the .17 hmr bout an inch in front of its head with ballistic tip ,it's dead without harming the meat, stick em in the harvest bag. My harvest went way up with th 17 , straight shooting as the 17 hmr is there is no reason to say it destroys too much meat, shoot em in the head. Never enjoyed a round like I have the 17 hmr . But that's just me, to each their own ,enjoy the .22 great.
@@williamray5467 Wow you are a great shot ,I try to get a hit fro the neck forward. The best that I can do . But I know guy's that hunt feral hogs with a .17hmr with that ballistic tip and they rave about it .
Thank you but actually No I am not a great shot the gun is true. Two things I've learned (1) after the first cleaning on my 17 hmr should never clean again just run a tight dry patch through it. (2) got to have a fair scope, I have a month 3-9x40 and that thing is right, $30 scope and good that's crazy but yeah your buds are right ,I've taken five wild hog with my Marlin. Once sighted in I try to make it a habit to shoot three eggs at 100 yrs every two weeks because practice and being comfortable with your gun is the key, your actually likely a better shot than many including me, it's mostly the gun setup and trueness.
@@williamray5467 Amen
The 17HMR behaves like a 22 magnum. Its smaller bullet is pushed much faster than your standard 22. Good work. I hope the rabbits are safe to eat. It would be shame if they were wasted. Thanks for sharing your work.
+Jeffrey Plum Just killing them and getting the vermin out of the farmers crops is reason enough to kill them. Kinda like wild hogs here in the States.
get both or all three if you get a .22wmr aswell
In Brazil Compressed air rifles are more practical , the cost benefit is greater , due to the bureaucracy to have a firearm even if it is small caliber like the .22 or .17
at least you can find it everywhere, 22mag is hard to come by,
I will agree the .17 HMR is better than the .22 LR for small game, but I’ll also say the bullet itself has a bigger casing just not diameter which allows a smaller projectile to be just as fast and powerful as a .22 I have three .22’s and one HMR and I always pull out the HMR for squirrels before I go for the .22 just for accuracy and lethality. I’d say I’ve shot over 30 squirrels with one bullet each with the HMR but I remember a very detailed experience where I had to shoot a squirrel three times with a .22 before it dropped dead out of a tree versus one heart or headshot with the HMR. Idk just experience
All about shot placement I guess. I have killed a deer with a 22lr
@@aaronhawk4200 that’s impressive but not impossible I’ve seen a BB gun kill a buzzard doesn’t mean it’s meant for it just probably like you said good shot placement but I’ll add on with a pinch of luck too
@@TypicalTroll14 I'd definitely say a shovel full of luck haha
Cost.
Haven't priced ammo in Aus since I was asked to grab a box for a mate a few years ago. $230 per 500 compared to $40-$70 per 500 in .22LR. I'll go through that many in a few nights out west. Unless you were restricted by law to have a rimfire, I see no purpose in the HMR. You could download a .17 Remington or Hornet and ammo would be much cheaper and more accurate with better bullet selection. One thing I do know, whichever .17 you choose, be prepared to clean it often. They foul quick and accuracy goes with it. The .22 just keeps on going and you'll likely never wear a barrel out in your lifetime.
For a relatively new cartridge, there sure are a lot of secondhand .17HMR's on the shelf... including my mate's.
+AusiKifaru27 I agree with anything you wrote,also 22 lr is making mutch less noise than 17 and it is totaly enough for rabbits hunt up to 100y.22 is cheap for plinking also,quiet when you are close to neighbours,enough powerful for small game ,barrel last forewer ......17 HMR??.....it is better to own 22 lr and some centerfire calibers more powerful than 17 hmr.
@ciro try a 22wmr it'll outpace and out perform the 17 and 22lr
If you want to compare a round compare the .22wmr to the .17, the .22lr is a round in it's own league. Though I find the .22wmr to be far superior a .22lr in it's weight class can hold it's own. I think of course I'd rather a .22wmr in a survival situation if one had a dependable .22lr an individual would not go hungry providing proper shot placement!
The cartridges at 3:35 actually look like .17 hornet.
Nailed it
ScottishMinor .223
Yeah that's a rifle round like 223 or 22250
Glad someone else noticed the round being used is center fire and not the .17 HMR
Tom T he’s using both, switched rifle for Fox
Myself I sooner the .22 lr as the ammo is cheaper if it’s windy out the .22 don’t drift as much off aim, if you suppress the.17 it’s still louder than the .22 as the bullet is so fast and cracks through the air which the .22 subsonic don’t as its speed is much less, also the .17 barrel rifling do wear sooner than the .22 lr, so personally myself i prefer the .22lr
Why it's not:
50 cents a round
Why some are skipping HMR and going to reloading .17 Hornady Hornet. CZ 527, or Anschütz 1771 will do the trick. Even T/C Contender carbine with a Bullberry-made barrel and a can on the nose is quite nice. Can be downloaded to .17 HMR or Mach 2 if needed.
The 17 HMR is better than the 22lr because the 17 HMR uses the 22 Winchester Magnum casing. More power. The video didn't mention that.
I don't really agree with .17 HMR being better and shooting farther. My .22 Mag will easily hit game at 200 and be consistent and still have plenty of punch to take down game. The .17 HMR has more issues with wind because of its weight and costs more than .22 MAG as well. I'm not knocking the .17 HMR, I just prefer the 22 MAG over the .17.
Its slower and drops harder over 100 yards. You also have the issue of ricochets.. the 17 breaks up and the 22 doesn't
I prefer the .22 mag over my .17HMR. Probably because I shoot it more often due to the heavier bullet weights. I killed a coyote with my .22 mag at 292 yrds The first shot I shot low but nailed him on the second shot. I actually figured it was only about 250yrds when I made the shot. It wasn’t until a few months later I went back and ranged it with a range finder that I discovered it was 292.
did you aim at the top of the trees to make that shot?
22 wmr puts the smack down over a .17 hmr
@@TheJimyyy i have 2, 22 wmrs sold one and ordered a 17 for self testing lol cant wait until its in i have the henry 22 wmr and a cz 22 wmr sold the cz and ordered the 17 hmr in the frontier model, was not happy with the cz at all
I would no doubt enjoy the 17 but I have several vintage walnut stock heavy 22s. All topped with quality old school Weaver glass, I would doubt you could entice me to trade. 22s are cheap to feed, ammo is everywhere and I know how to shoot the guns. I really would like to try the 17, and I got millions of frikking rabbits around. Just wish I could rent one for a bit, if I liked it I would probably add a new gun to the safe.
Your job is so cool :)
Dude get paid to go outside hunting and shooting all day.
While I have to pay to shoot paper target in an indoor shooting range, at max 100m
where are you finding 100 yard indoor ranges o.O
Best part is he has good food to feed his family.
We get a poorly created equivalent to modern art. :/.
Or have all 3, .17hmr, .22lr, .22mag lots of fun and they have slightly different applications.
Missing the 22 wmr for me lol
17 is a lot louder then the 22 caliber and I'm hitting things with my 22 over 200 yards because it can go over a mile I like the 17 nothing bad to say about it but it's not my choice for shooting small game with but good video excellent shooting jolly good mate
Everyone's completely focused on the cost of the ammo, but what about the rifle itself? I believe .17 hmr rifles are much more specialized and often more expensive and with less customization options. I just bought a perfectly good Rossi .22 breakdown rifle for 89 USD and there is NOTHING more reliable and customizable than a Ruger 10/22.
Most rifles currently manufactured offer .17hmr variants for no extra cost whatsoever. Not sure where you're getting that information, but there's no sun shining there. For example, the ruger precision rimfire. Along with most CZ models etc.
Is the 17hmr good for rabbits & squirrels if you want to eat them ? Does it ruin to much meat ? Pest control is one thing , hunting is another . I really don't know. The 17 sure looks like fun, for me it would be cans & bottles.
Every time I see someone frying a tree squirrel I get hungry .
Thanks for this. I find the .17HMR fine for meat damage, though the .22 is slightly better. Take headshots. / Charlie
you are one hell of a shot!
Mmm.. 17HMR are very expensive rounds for a little rimfire... They are noisy.. they are badly affected by the wind..
They have one very good advantage over 22LR in that they don't ricochet so badly and the round usually disintegrates..
i didnt think you could get suppressors in the UK, they are super illegal here is AUS
They are almost mandatory here under a European 'noise in the workplace' directive. / Charlie
+Fieldsports Channel >17 HMR is definately louder than .22lr.
+appLez I know a few contract shooters that have them. Mostly for roos. It depends on the state you're in.
+Igor K Yeah, mate. 6 states, 2 territories. Googling a map will explain it simpler than I can via text.
easy enough,it's serialized like the gun mind you,it counts as a firearm and is listed on our certificates,,target shooters get em on health n safety reasons ( hearing).
Well I had come to your video to learn about the .17 round having experience with a number of types of ammo but not this one. Looks to be very effective. I didn't expect to also get a little education on gun ownership from across the pond. As a American, I had always thought that it was next to impossible for a British citizen to even own a firearm. Glad to see I was mistaken.
I prefer to hunt with .50BMG
Can't have too much gun!! ;)
My FAO would love that
Nah u pleb I use a tank
And disintegrate it
Yep they're great for pigeon
I only use a 22magnum savage rifle and shoot rabbits and foxes find it works well on both also ues ruger precision rifle in .22 I use it for hunting rabbits and foxes as well
17 hmr good past 100 yards. Up to 300 if you know what you doing. 22LR maybe up to 100 yds.
17 hmr you don't need to sneak up on them😄
.22LR is good for 160 yards if you know what you're doing
I like the 50 gr 22 magnum from Federal. To me its a SHTF round.
22-250 beats 17
.50 cal beats 22-250 😁
Honestly 22 mag hits far and has a harder punch on impact… can easily drop those foxes, a boar, deer or small moose and rip through a brick wall 5x faster then a 17hmr
You've sold me on .17HMR, and I already have two.
Why 2?
@@ianadams1132 1 is none , 2 is 1!
That looks like fun. And rabbits are good to eat.
I shot a feral wild cat with a 17hmr and it damn near cut him in half. I was shocked how powerful that little round was. I call it the mini 30 06 lol
Has less to do with “power” and a lot more to do with the light weight, frangible, hyper-velocity bullet.
@@nigel900 yea I know. It was still surprising. I want a 204 ruger next for same reason. Tiny 20 caliber bullet that's wicked fast!
@@JohnnyRebKy Absolutely. They’re like tiny hand grenades.
Love my cooey 22 takes s.l&lr with some 22 ammo reaching 1700fps now it's hard to turn down I've dropped a coyote 180 yards out and shot porcupine with quites off my deck without disturbing the neighbors plus I use it for grouse hunting my grandfather shot more deer with his 22 than all other rifles combined
Is it possible to put a magazine from my current 22 into any others or do they all have a specific mag ?
@@FKTHESYSTEM063 only of they are compatible like the savage 64 Lakefield and Stevens had a model 64! with the same clip design
Lol, night hunting with suppressor in..... would be in jail for years down here in Canada :))) Good vid !
I’m surprised we can even haw fmj and hollow points in Canada since the fmj is illegal to hunt with and hollows are probably illegal for hunting too
I don't think anyone claims the issue is it being that hard to find 17hmr rounds, it's that the selection of guns that shoot it is limited, which is fine if you're a hunter looking for a single small game rifle, there are enough to choose from. But if you're a new shooter who enjoys plinking cans and going to the range, or loyal to a certain brand like a lot of people are, .22lr still offers like a thousand guns to choose from.
17hmr is by no means better than the .22 but it is a good round
.17 HMR is so much more devastating, and a beautiful round, but that beauty comes at a cost.. Really expensive rounds!!! I stick with .22LR for pest control.
I own two 22LRs and one 17HMR . I let just about anyone shoot my 22s , but keep the 17 for myself and a fee chosen others .
I love rabbits, in my Instant Pot.
I use subsonic 22 to keep the neighbors happy
22 Magnum has more dropping power.
Not at all it’s just heavier and slower
@@joshuaesposito208 , while it is heavier and slower there are documented articles on the 22 wmr being more effective within 150 yrds on coyote sized mammals. Also in some states you can legally hunt deer with the 22wmr, not that I would advise it. I live in the northeast where 150 yard shot or less is usually the norm. If I was hunting prairie dogs at 300 yrds the 17 HMR would be my choice . So when I say the 22wmr has more dropping power it does in my application.
Bought a .17 HMR recently and I am amazed at the negativity you get when you do. Ammo is plentiful and cheap, especially compared to the .22 Magnum. Bought a box of 50 Hornady .17 HMR 17 grain V-Max for $13. .22 Magnum, no gun shop within 65 miles (and I checked) has any, and hasn't had any for 6 months and if and when you do for it, it will be well over $20 a box and then some. As for .22 Long Rifle, if I am 50 yards or so, which is common where I live, squirrels and rabbits are ok, but for varmints like fox and others, it will be the .17 HMR every time. Some think you need a .223 to kill them. I used to get on great with a .22 Hornet but the cost of the ammo and then having to reload it didn't seem worth it again so I got the .17 HMR.
I hate it when people compare the hmr to lr, make it an even competition and put the hmr against the wmr
Varmint ShootersUK I agree with you. My .22 MAG has no problem hitting consistantly at 200 yards and still has plenty power to take down all sorts of game. I will never get rid of my .22 MAG rifle, I love it too much. It's taken a bunch of various game and does it very efficiently.
You're right. He should have maybe made a 17hm2 vs 22LR instead.
I have a ton of respect for the 22 wmr. It’s what the 17 hmr was derived from. With that being said, the 22 wmr has been trumped. I’ve lung shot coyotes out to 300 and killed em. And not small coyotes either. Foxes, groundhogs, rabbits, opossums, skunks, raccoons, fischers, all have fallen and all at considerable distance. I have no doubt that you individually have great skill with your 22 wmr, which makes it deadly. But subtracting the human factor, the 17 hmr is my choice. And I like the fact it’s not much slower than some high powered rounds.
The 17HMR had a little more of an advantage over the 22WMR in some aspects when it first was introduced. The 30gr V MAX load for the 22WMR really narrowed the field in my opinion.
The 17HMR is slightly more accurate than the 22WMR with the 30gr V Max...Having said that, I regularly shoot 1/2-3/4" groups with the 30gr V Max load @100yds on calm days, comparing pretty favorably to the 17HMR. (The old days of cheap 22WMR loads shooting paper plate size groups are now history).
I like both the 22WMR and the 17HMR, having to choose I personally prefer the 22WMR and have sold off my 17HMR rifles. (Everyone has their own niche in this case).
what I REALLY like are the 17HM2 and the 17WSM....
The 17WSM is a GREAT Cartridge but the disastrous way it was introduced to the shooting world has pretty much signed it's own death warrant.....