I am same with mini's using plastic tops from jar lids with none of them being peanuts or peanut butter due to how bad allergies to that specific legume can be, worse then even nut or soy where there it is in eating it. Most are from work in 2017-2018, that are from larger jars but the ones with smaller plastic lids then the bigger lid jars (not legal mini marker size) we used at the Middle school. I have lost a few of my older minis handing them out over the years like a black Play It Again Sports one from 2003 and almost did not get a Club in the state there mini with Logo back or a rare stamped mini from a store in my town that sold discs for a bit in the mall before the place moved to only downtown and would not let people in unless they were going to be buying a skateboard but also allowed for disc buying but only if buying Skateboard stuff too making them leave. Place has since changed to a body shop with only one of the two original owners that specializes in making windows that are double the max limit on window tinting or darker, sometimes so dark the person 100% can't see out the window at night.
This was an absolutely fascinating in the bag. I love the way you think about things and present this. I'm going to map out my bag like this too, even though I'm not a pro. My understanding is that domier drivers are more overstable, but that dome doesn't affect mids/putters as much in stability
This is by far my favorite in the bag I've seen! Dome tends to make the disc fly slightly less stable but since it adds glide, it will finish a lot farther left (when thrown RHBH) leading people to believe they are more stable.
The little piece of material that was given to you is drywall sanding mesh , and is great to have to clean up rough spots on your disc... any home improvement store has it...
For those that are interested, that little scrap of sanding mesh is for cleaning up soldered plumbing joints. Very durable stuff, especially if you're just sanding down some plastic every once in a while. I've seen other people use drywall sanding mesh as well with similar results. Both should be available at any big box or specialty store
Interesting, you are the first that i see mention the "basic 15" idea. I have the same one for years, for me it's a 4x4 instead of a 3x5 so i have a "basic 16", but it's pretty much the same idea. My 4th row are understable, straight, stable and utility-shot kinda super overstable. I also throw all my discs forehand and backhand depending on the line i need. Cool ITB, thank you for sharing :)
1. Love the generosity! Giving pencils and minis is awesome, way to share the love. 2. If you find yourself in a situation where you’d need aspirin, how do you handle that as an “all naturals guy”? 3. I’ve heard older players reference color having an effect on stability, I personally think parting line and stiffness have a big effect. I also think dome has an effect on glide, which can make discs seem more or less overstable based on how well they carry.
I've always had this look on a bag! for a normal round, about 13-15 discs are really needed, one in each category for stability and then a few putters you can always rely on! And on the note of the good ol' dx disc. My Archangel has never let me down, got in in my starter set almost 5 years ago and it's still one of my best go to discs that I can put on almost any line and know how it will fly! Keep up the amazing work, and I hope this trend of ITB keeps going!
BY FAR my favorite “in the bag”. Love the setup, love the model and how you explain the disc flights. I liked you as a player and as a person before but even more so now. Love it
Joel has such a methodical and mathematical approach to disc selection which is something I can get behind for sure. I love seeing the diagram of where the discs would land and the generalization of it all. Great "In the Bag" video!
Fantastic in the bag! I find myself to be an ITB junkie, and as a Science educator this is hands down my favorite ITB. All be it different molds I took a very similar approach when building my bag. Thanks for such a well thought and executed video.
Wow! How have you not been doing disc golf TH-cam videos for years! Excellent work! I feel excited to see you tour... from my couch. I build my bag the exact same way you do. So refreshing to see someone else have the exact bag building mindset.
I appreciate that rule clarification about sanding the disc. A previous video by Dave Feldberg seemed to indicate that only alterations created by throwing the disc were allowed. So I'm glad to know that is incorrect.
Domey discs are more prone to turning, but will fight back more reliably. A flat disc will be more resistant to turn, but when it does turn it is less likely to fade.
Hey man, been liking your new YT content and the detail and time you're putting into it. I'm learning a lot! Keep it up! Especially liked the chart in a different video of disc speed and accuracy of pro and am distances.
Wow, this kind of represents how I build my bag. I like to have the same molds with different levels of how beat in they are. I know a lot of people don’t like this but I find the consistency in mold to be beneficial. I like my grip to feel the same.
The screen looking square you have is plumbers cloth sandpaper. You can find it in a roll at plumbing section at your hardware store . It is used for sanding copper tubing before soldering.
Elevation (sea level vs altitude): At high altitude there is less air to effect the flight of the disc. This translates to the same disc seeming more overstable than it would at sea level where there are more and more tightly packed air molecules to effect the disc (all other forces being equal).
Great in the bag. I recently bought a new 175 luster millennium exp-x. Been throwing it for a week and it is a very overstable fairway. Numbers are 7/3/-1/4. Definitely beefier than an eagle. Has a flattop firebird like finish at the end of its flight. Sweet disc to shape shots in the woods. Figured since it’s innova manufactured it could fill that overstable fairway slot.
I explained it to the best of my knowledge in my comment. It is due to physics. Parting line is a good way to determine how two of the same molds are different as if it is slightly different it can affect the flight. But it applies to all discs.
@@bradleeweber9753 It is where the two sides of the mold meet at the end, or where they part. I think. In any case if you look at a driver it is the exact tip of the disc if you look at it from its profile. It is the sharp part on the edge of a driver. Technically on all discs there is a physical line on the edge. That is where it parted
@@micah_lee okay sweet yeah I got what you mean. Cause the mold is two plates of metal sandwiched together. Now what differences do you look for? Thinner edge? Thinner parting line?
@@bradleeweber9753 You are looking for how high the parting line (when looking at it from the profile or the side of the disc) is. The higher the parting line (which means the exact edge of the disc is a lil bit higher as the line is in the same place but the edge of the disc is the part that is warped a little bit higher) the more overstable the disc. The lower the edge of the disc (or parting line, or the tip of the wing) the more understable the disc. Think of the tilt. The tip of the edge is super high compared to most drivers so all of the air is going under the disc, making it more overstable. I explained this in a seperate comment if you can find the comment.
The cold weather and less distance, more stability is down to air pressure. Air is a little denser and adds to more downward pressure. Similar characteristics as a headwind.
In my experience, domey distance drivers fly a little slower, but make up for it in extra glide once they turn over. Because they catch more air with the larger dome, when they hold the turn, they're less susceptible to burning into the ground. I like flatter discs for low line lasers, and domey discs for max distance type lines, where you want it high in the air for the full flex. I've also found domey distance drivers more overstable in general.
Really cool in the bag! I have a friend that swears red discs are more overstable than any other color no matter what the mold is. I don't think that's true but I just let him think he's onto something. Also, a Champion Banshee might fit the overstable slot you mention. I have one that flies like a baby Firebird for me.
For me it's lime greens are insanely overstable. Had a lime green Vulcan, most overstable disc i had ever owned😂 Most Vulcans for me are very understable so i was super disappointed lol
@@aarontapatio2257 I can agree with that. I have a lime green Tern I bought hoping that it would be understable and it's super beefy and flies nothing like the other Terns I've thrown.
This was an excellent in the bag! Nice job. I was surprised to hear you mention the Savant. I just bagged a Halo Savant. It's a sweet disc that slots nicely between my flippy Valkyrie and Thunderbirds. Keep up the good work!
I liked the overstable understable diagram with the discs labeled that is different. 1 thing besides elevation true or not I believe when it's cold and the disc is stiff it is more stable. I don't know if that's true or it's my frozen hands poor release.
Best in the bag ever! Realy liked the format. Would have been fun to ser Eagle do it like this just to see how many disc he would put in the right lane 😂
I was looking through around 40 wraiths of the same run two weeks ago. The orange ones had crazy domes that ranged from mutant to moderate pop top. The yellow ones were flat and no pop top. I didn't look at the green ones (because the Midwest gets very green in the summer) but I think they were pretty much in the middle.
Disc golf shape lore/rumor I've heard: Domey discs have more lift, stay in the air longer / more glide. I prefer domey drivers and flat mid ranges as well, but not for the same reasons as you, it's because I want more distance control, so why have extra glide? At least in my mind! Rad video. Dig the bag. I'd love to see how you organize them. I go from the middle out on my bag, to the left, overstable(for me) discs that fade left, to the right discs that like to go right. Drivers closest to the middle (most distance) mid ranges on the way out towards the end.
One time I had a guy tell me that every white disc he’s ever had flew exactly how he wanted it to every time. He didn’t have an all white bag though, so I’m skeptical.
I've never seen anyone else throw a cd2, I picked up a glow c line one in 2017 to try it, and it stays in the bag as an understable fairway, love the disc and happy I'm not alone
Cold air vs warm air: in cold air the air molecules are much more tightly packed (think water at room temp vs ice) making moving discs thru the cold air harder and results in less glide also. So for cold climates/seasons, bag more understable discs and more gummy discs (G* and Pro).
I've heard orange Innova discs are less stable than other colors. I'm skeptical. Glad to see I'm not the only one who bags a Star Foxbat. Love that disc for hyzer flips.
When I first started disc golf I started in Colorado. I played at elevation with overstable discs and thought I had a weak arm. Then I got a Heat and absolutely mashed it. Now I live in Minnesota and I threw a roller with my heat on a hyzer my first throw.
Try the Banshee to fill the Whippet spot. It's replaced mine. Champion is what I went for because I wanted the absolute most overstable version, and that's held true so far. I throw every disc fore or back hand, except because my forehand (200+ feet) doesn't throw as far as my backhand (280+ feet), so forehand is limited to midranges, where my backhand is limited to fairway/control drivers. Since I can't throw as far, i have 5 putters, 5 mids, 5 fairways in my bag. Each type ranges from very overstable to understable. I may have an extra disc like a Dragon if I need to throw over water. I also have a Hydra but it's an approach disc for me that also a floater for shorter throws.
WOW...Great video. For sticky hands, I use T-10 dust...Yes, it’s from Tee Pad 10 at my local course. Powdered clay mixed with my secret ingredient...Then, put in a spice bottle, tied to my Zuca...Lol. Thanks dude 👍👍👍
I feel like a good rumor is cold weather discs not going as far. Not sure if its cause the air is more dence or if its because your body isnt as loose 🤔 would love to know your thoughts.
@@nelsonbaker834 ive tested this on a roc3 I own... it might be mental... but if i need it to go straight and bend down and it does... if i need fade i bend up and it does...
Let me just drop my knowledge: Disc golf discs flights are not fully mysterious. (Only sometimes) The reason a disc flys a certain way all comes down to the shape of the wing. Certain things affect the shape of the wing such as dome, plastics that have different properties with cooling (keep in mind each run of plastic has slightly different properties and sometimes that one thing will affect the flight a lot.) So, if you are still here you may be wondering how the wingshape affects the flight of the frisbee. He is the basic run down. Flying discs are spinning objects that fly through air. Disc golf discs are shaped to direct the air flow over the disc in certain ways. Either it is shaped in such a way that more air goes over the top of the disc or under the bottom. How does that affect the flight? If you imagine air going under a disc that is spinning clockwise, the air will push upwards on the disc at the front of the disc (this is all relative to the direction it is going) as the disc keeps spinning, that upwards motion is translated to the right side of the disc. So the right side of the disc tilts upwards. I can break it down later but take a disc and spin it on your finger, then push upwards slightly on the bottom of the disc. It will tilt upwards 90° exactly. This all has to do with gyroscopics and rotating bodies of mass. Veritasium has lots of videos which break down how rotating objects work which help dive deeper into this type of thing. Okay to break down what I said, firstly as air goes over the disc it pushes on the wing. Some discs are shaped to push the air over the bottom more or to push the air over the top obthe disc more. Plastic affects how the wing is shaped too so that is where inconsistencies come into play. Take out overstable drivers like a firebird. Look at the profile of the disc. There is more wing on the bottom of the disc than on the top and that pushes the bottom of the disc harder which makes the disc fade hard. Then take a understable driver like a road runner or sidewinder and the wing pushes most of the air over the top of the disc which pushes the right side of the disc down and causes it to turn over. The reason it is translated 90° is something I don’t fully remember or know why, but it is because the disc is spinning and it is translated in the direction of the spin. That is why forehands are opposite as the disc is spinning the opposite direction. Also think of the tilt, there is NO air going over the top of the disc so the disc is literally being forced to tilt over and die. Also that is why over stable discs go not as far, because the wing shape slows the air down a lot. And when you flip the tilt upside down the rules are backwards so it really is just flying like a normal disc. Hard to explain without having a disc in my hands to show. But the reason normal discs are soooo overstable when thrown upside down is because they are designed to make a good bit of air push down on the top of the disc. When it is upside down it is pushing alll on the bottom of the disc and it makes it fade. I’m not certain how dome affects how air flows over the disc but it would be harder for the dome because it would have less torque as it is in the middle of the disc. Idk.
This is awesome! Thank you for your input! I think most of what you said is spot on and you definitely taught me some things. I agree with most of everything, but there are a few little adjustments I think I would make. Hope you tune in and enjoy my next vid! :D
One of the biggest meat hooks I have in my bag is a sidewinder, It's maxed weight and is in champion plastic, mid dome. I think it all has to do with the wing and where the weight is with it. My guess is that when it was still cooling it was sat on its side, making the wing move and reshape a little making it uneven. PS: I can throw most discs and can get into the upper 300's.
Dude... I didn't know you had a youtube channel. This is amazing info and I'm definitely going to make a chart like that for myself. Super helpful! I also gotta say you have an incredible vibe/personality. Definitely a fan and will be rooting for you whenever I see you on a card. And btw I'm a filmmaker, and wanted to let you know if you're curious about your lens doing that weird back and forth warp thing at the beginning of the video, that's called breathing. Every lens has some breathing when ever changing focus -- you'll see it in movies when they have a big focus pull the lens will breathe. I don't think it's a bad thing, but thought I'd let you know if you're curious. But yeah I'm definitely subscribed.
Thanks for the comment, man! Ya, I am a complete amateur. I know the auto-focus has a harder time when I'm so close to the camera and especially when I'm talking with my hands. Just part of the learning process haha
Great ITB, some cool perspective. I have been putting with your X-Blend Scarabs for almost a year and love them! I had a couple weeks where I messed with a P Model S and I thought I was liking it. Then I put the Scarab back in to test one day and realized I was crazy to even try to replace them. I don't really believe that there is any one thing that specifically effects the stability, there are too many variables and no consistent or dependable "controls". Hope to see you play in some tourneys this year!
More dome traps more air for more lift. A flexible disc with alot of dome will actually swell and expand to hold even more air underneath, meaning even more glide. So I hear, lol.
Another comment about the disc colours. As commented green disks are typically the most overstable, this is due to Green dye pigments often contain iron.
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Saying “nice” after a disc has been thrown scientifically makes it worse. Also this was excellent Joel!🤘🏼
Joel is such a good guy, not only does he carry stuff for himself, he carries goodies of everyone on the course. Be like Joel Freeman everybody.
I am same with mini's using plastic tops from jar lids with none of them being peanuts or peanut butter due to how bad allergies to that specific legume can be, worse then even nut or soy where there it is in eating it. Most are from work in 2017-2018, that are from larger jars but the ones with smaller plastic lids then the bigger lid jars (not legal mini marker size) we used at the Middle school.
I have lost a few of my older minis handing them out over the years like a black Play It Again Sports one from 2003 and almost did not get a Club in the state there mini with Logo back or a rare stamped mini from a store in my town that sold discs for a bit in the mall before the place moved to only downtown and would not let people in unless they were going to be buying a skateboard but also allowed for disc buying but only if buying Skateboard stuff too making them leave. Place has since changed to a body shop with only one of the two original owners that specializes in making windows that are double the max limit on window tinting or darker, sometimes so dark the person 100% can't see out the window at night.
I’m not gonna lie, this is the best ITB I have ever seen. Wow. I’m happy to be a new subscriber.
"Discs fly more stable in cold weather"
True
Absolutely excellent in the bag! Probably the best ever
In the bag with Joel. He takes care of others just as much as himself. Respect dude!
The eduction major is paying off. I learned quite a bit from this video. Thanks for taking the time to put together something so meaningful.
This was an absolutely fascinating in the bag. I love the way you think about things and present this. I'm going to map out my bag like this too, even though I'm not a pro.
My understanding is that domier drivers are more overstable, but that dome doesn't affect mids/putters as much in stability
I really liked how you laid all your discs out. That makes it really easy to see what to expect from them. Well done.
This is by far my favorite in the bag I've seen! Dome tends to make the disc fly slightly less stable but since it adds glide, it will finish a lot farther left (when thrown RHBH) leading people to believe they are more stable.
Joel has Bryson Dechambeau vibes. Thinking about equipment and setup in a more logical and analytical way, less on tradition and feel.
Really liked how you broke it down and presented everything.
Great ITB and great use of that chart. You're a great teacher.
The little piece of material that was given to you is drywall sanding mesh , and is great to have to clean up rough spots on your disc... any home improvement store has it...
This is probably the best ITB I have ever seen. It's also how I break down my bag (less distance, but same idea). Really, really well done.
Dude, your illustration was genius. Thanks!
For those that are interested, that little scrap of sanding mesh is for cleaning up soldered plumbing joints. Very durable stuff, especially if you're just sanding down some plastic every once in a while. I've seen other people use drywall sanding mesh as well with similar results. Both should be available at any big box or specialty store
Interesting, you are the first that i see mention the "basic 15" idea. I have the same one for years, for me it's a 4x4 instead of a 3x5 so i have a "basic 16", but it's pretty much the same idea. My 4th row are understable, straight, stable and utility-shot kinda super overstable.
I also throw all my discs forehand and backhand depending on the line i need.
Cool ITB, thank you for sharing :)
1. Love the generosity! Giving pencils and minis is awesome, way to share the love.
2. If you find yourself in a situation where you’d need aspirin, how do you handle that as an “all naturals guy”?
3. I’ve heard older players reference color having an effect on stability, I personally think parting line and stiffness have a big effect. I also think dome has an effect on glide, which can make discs seem more or less overstable based on how well they carry.
Randomly found this video, and I'm so glad I did, one of the best ITBs I've ever seen!
I've always had this look on a bag! for a normal round, about 13-15 discs are really needed, one in each category for stability and then a few putters you can always rely on! And on the note of the good ol' dx disc. My Archangel has never let me down, got in in my starter set almost 5 years ago and it's still one of my best go to discs that I can put on almost any line and know how it will fly! Keep up the amazing work, and I hope this trend of ITB keeps going!
BY FAR my favorite “in the bag”. Love the setup, love the model and how you explain the disc flights. I liked you as a player and as a person before but even more so now. Love it
Thanks for a genuinely informative in the bag. You gained a subscriber with this video.
same!
Love playing that synthesizer!
This might be the best In The Bag I have ever watched. Thanks for the great content!
Joel has such a methodical and mathematical approach to disc selection which is something I can get behind for sure. I love seeing the diagram of where the discs would land and the generalization of it all. Great "In the Bag" video!
Fantastic in the bag! I find myself to be an ITB junkie, and as a Science educator this is hands down my favorite ITB. All be it different molds I took a very similar approach when building my bag. Thanks for such a well thought and executed video.
Wow! How have you not been doing disc golf TH-cam videos for years! Excellent work! I feel excited to see you tour... from my couch. I build my bag the exact same way you do. So refreshing to see someone else have the exact bag building mindset.
Awesome. Thanks mr teacher man.
Excellent ITB!
I appreciate that rule clarification about sanding the disc. A previous video by Dave Feldberg seemed to indicate that only alterations created by throwing the disc were allowed. So I'm glad to know that is incorrect.
Domey discs are more prone to turning, but will fight back more reliably. A flat disc will be more resistant to turn, but when it does turn it is less likely to fade.
Hey man, been liking your new YT content and the detail and time you're putting into it. I'm learning a lot! Keep it up! Especially liked the chart in a different video of disc speed and accuracy of pro and am distances.
Absolutely love this guy, cant wait to continue watching him in tournaments!
Looking forward to seeing. The dome and flight plate video.
Thanks for explaining your entire bag purpose. I thought I was the only one who built my bag like you do.
Wow, this kind of represents how I build my bag. I like to have the same molds with different levels of how beat in they are. I know a lot of people don’t like this but I find the consistency in mold to be beneficial. I like my grip to feel the same.
The screen looking square you have is plumbers cloth sandpaper. You can find it in a roll at plumbing section at your hardware store . It is used for sanding copper tubing before soldering.
This is so educational and so well done, thank you for putting this together!
Amazing in the bag!! I like the cut of your jib sir!!
Blue Discs fly farther than any other color! My son says it all the time.
This was highly educational and enjoyable to watch! Thanks for this and good luck this season!
That was a great and unique approach to an ITB video.
superb
Genius illustration!
Elevation (sea level vs altitude): At high altitude there is less air to effect the flight of the disc. This translates to the same disc seeming more overstable than it would at sea level where there are more and more tightly packed air molecules to effect the disc (all other forces being equal).
Brilliant itb, thanks for sharing!
Great in the bag. I recently bought a new 175 luster millennium exp-x. Been throwing it for a week and it is a very overstable fairway. Numbers are 7/3/-1/4. Definitely beefier than an eagle. Has a flattop firebird like finish at the end of its flight. Sweet disc to shape shots in the woods. Figured since it’s innova manufactured it could fill that overstable fairway slot.
That piece of a screen door is Emery cloth. Great idea!!!
Higher Parting Line seems to be a pretty proven fact for more overstable discs
I explained it to the best of my knowledge in my comment. It is due to physics. Parting line is a good way to determine how two of the same molds are different as if it is slightly different it can affect the flight. But it applies to all discs.
@@micah_lee what is a parting line? I've never heard that one before
@@bradleeweber9753 It is where the two sides of the mold meet at the end, or where they part. I think. In any case if you look at a driver it is the exact tip of the disc if you look at it from its profile. It is the sharp part on the edge of a driver. Technically on all discs there is a physical line on the edge. That is where it parted
@@micah_lee okay sweet yeah I got what you mean. Cause the mold is two plates of metal sandwiched together. Now what differences do you look for? Thinner edge? Thinner parting line?
@@bradleeweber9753 You are looking for how high the parting line (when looking at it from the profile or the side of the disc) is. The higher the parting line (which means the exact edge of the disc is a lil bit higher as the line is in the same place but the edge of the disc is the part that is warped a little bit higher) the more overstable the disc. The lower the edge of the disc (or parting line, or the tip of the wing) the more understable the disc. Think of the tilt. The tip of the edge is super high compared to most drivers so all of the air is going under the disc, making it more overstable. I explained this in a seperate comment if you can find the comment.
Cd2. Enough said. Greta video freeman m, keep it up💪💪
best in the bag video I have seen, great stuff.
The cold weather and less distance, more stability is down to air pressure. Air is a little denser and adds to more downward pressure. Similar characteristics as a headwind.
From a fellow educator, best in the bag ever! Great job
In my experience, domey distance drivers fly a little slower, but make up for it in extra glide once they turn over. Because they catch more air with the larger dome, when they hold the turn, they're less susceptible to burning into the ground. I like flatter discs for low line lasers, and domey discs for max distance type lines, where you want it high in the air for the full flex. I've also found domey distance drivers more overstable in general.
Really cool in the bag! I have a friend that swears red discs are more overstable than any other color no matter what the mold is. I don't think that's true but I just let him think he's onto something. Also, a Champion Banshee might fit the overstable slot you mention. I have one that flies like a baby Firebird for me.
For me it's lime greens are insanely overstable. Had a lime green Vulcan, most overstable disc i had ever owned😂 Most Vulcans for me are very understable so i was super disappointed lol
@@aarontapatio2257 I can agree with that. I have a lime green Tern I bought hoping that it would be understable and it's super beefy and flies nothing like the other Terns I've thrown.
This was an excellent in the bag! Nice job. I was surprised to hear you mention the Savant. I just bagged a Halo Savant. It's a sweet disc that slots nicely between my flippy Valkyrie and Thunderbirds. Keep up the good work!
I liked the overstable understable diagram with the discs labeled that is different. 1 thing besides elevation true or not I believe when it's cold and the disc is stiff it is more stable. I don't know if that's true or it's my frozen hands poor release.
You’re the man Joel freeman!!
Best in the bag ever! Realy liked the format.
Would have been fun to ser Eagle do it like this just to see how many disc he would put in the right lane 😂
"A domey disc can hold an anhyzer for longer and won't fight out as quick".
So that's why my enigma is so awesome! I love that long turn and slow fade!
I've heard that domey discs glide more and are more understable while flatter discs will have less glide and be more stable.
Joel, that was abrasive cloth for plumbers. It's perfect for tuning discs. See you around Loveland buddy.
I was looking through around 40 wraiths of the same run two weeks ago. The orange ones had crazy domes that ranged from mutant to moderate pop top. The yellow ones were flat and no pop top. I didn't look at the green ones (because the Midwest gets very green in the summer) but I think they were pretty much in the middle.
This was great!
Disc golf shape lore/rumor I've heard: Domey discs have more lift, stay in the air longer / more glide.
I prefer domey drivers and flat mid ranges as well, but not for the same reasons as you, it's because I want more distance control, so why have extra glide? At least in my mind!
Rad video. Dig the bag. I'd love to see how you organize them. I go from the middle out on my bag, to the left, overstable(for me) discs that fade left, to the right discs that like to go right. Drivers closest to the middle (most distance) mid ranges on the way out towards the end.
Hey buddy. Keep up the good stuff. Located in Calgary, Canada! Soon to be one of the hotspots for Canadian Disc Golf 🤠🤠
That empty slot is filled by a champion eagle. Medium dome. You’ll love it!
Thanks for the itb!
Hahahaha, I literally said the same thing. Would also say teebird3 or stalker.
I've noticed a lot of understable discs have a curve on the bottom of the edge
One time I had a guy tell me that every white disc he’s ever had flew exactly how he wanted it to every time. He didn’t have an all white bag though, so I’m skeptical.
freeman would be a fantastic announcer, gk, gatekeeper, keep him in mind
Also, great to see some CD2 love!! For sure my favorite disc currently in the bag
Such a great video. Insta-subbed!
I've never seen anyone else throw a cd2, I picked up a glow c line one in 2017 to try it, and it stays in the bag as an understable fairway, love the disc and happy I'm not alone
I heard, if you don't use it, you lose it. Is that true?
Can’t wait to see you in Lansing at CCR Open this year.
Yeah, Chariot! Favorite mid I throw, so straight and good.
Probably the most clear och comprehensive in the bag...only thing I would add is footage of the discs fly the way you explain.
Cold air vs warm air: in cold air the air molecules are much more tightly packed (think water at room temp vs ice) making moving discs thru the cold air harder and results in less glide also. So for cold climates/seasons, bag more understable discs and more gummy discs (G* and Pro).
Stability is based on the discs moment of inertia, or in two dimensions it's center of mass and geometry (triangles y'all).
I know this is an older video.... But damn! I love the foxbat! I have 3 back ups since I hear they're not in production anymore!!!!
I've heard orange Innova discs are less stable than other colors. I'm skeptical.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who bags a Star Foxbat. Love that disc for hyzer flips.
Less glide in higher elevation. Solid video! Great chart explination.
Glad found you channel Joel. So on Tour someone needs something they say go ask Joel. It's probably in his bag somewhere.
When I first started disc golf I started in Colorado. I played at elevation with overstable discs and thought I had a weak arm. Then I got a Heat and absolutely mashed it. Now I live in Minnesota and I threw a roller with my heat on a hyzer my first throw.
drywall sandpaper is what that lil chunk was.
Keep your discs cold so snow doesn't stick to it as easy
At least for winter.
Try the Banshee to fill the Whippet spot. It's replaced mine. Champion is what I went for because I wanted the absolute most overstable version, and that's held true so far.
I throw every disc fore or back hand, except because my forehand (200+ feet) doesn't throw as far as my backhand (280+ feet), so forehand is limited to midranges, where my backhand is limited to fairway/control drivers.
Since I can't throw as far, i have 5 putters, 5 mids, 5 fairways in my bag. Each type ranges from very overstable to understable.
I may have an extra disc like a Dragon if I need to throw over water. I also have a Hydra but it's an approach disc for me that also a floater for shorter throws.
Finally someone that approaches bag building similar to me. What I didn’t see were backups. Do you bag any backups to your main 15? And if so. Which?
I do have backups, but that's all they are. I have backup replicas of all of them
WOW...Great video. For sticky hands, I use T-10 dust...Yes, it’s from Tee Pad 10 at my local course. Powdered clay mixed with my secret ingredient...Then, put in a spice bottle, tied to my Zuca...Lol.
Thanks dude 👍👍👍
I feel like a good rumor is cold weather discs not going as far. Not sure if its cause the air is more dence or if its because your body isnt as loose 🤔 would love to know your thoughts.
Rumor: If you take a disc and bend it downwards a disc will become less stable and you bend it upwards it will become more stable.
I’ve also heard this and the science of flight may say that this is true, but I’m not sure to what extent. Maybe it’s true but negligible, idk!
@@nelsonbaker834 ive tested this on a roc3 I own... it might be mental... but if i need it to go straight and bend down and it does... if i need fade i bend up and it does...
Let me just drop my knowledge: Disc golf discs flights are not fully mysterious. (Only sometimes) The reason a disc flys a certain way all comes down to the shape of the wing. Certain things affect the shape of the wing such as dome, plastics that have different properties with cooling (keep in mind each run of plastic has slightly different properties and sometimes that one thing will affect the flight a lot.)
So, if you are still here you may be wondering how the wingshape affects the flight of the frisbee. He is the basic run down. Flying discs are spinning objects that fly through air. Disc golf discs are shaped to direct the air flow over the disc in certain ways. Either it is shaped in such a way that more air goes over the top of the disc or under the bottom. How does that affect the flight? If you imagine air going under a disc that is spinning clockwise, the air will push upwards on the disc at the front of the disc (this is all relative to the direction it is going) as the disc keeps spinning, that upwards motion is translated to the right side of the disc. So the right side of the disc tilts upwards. I can break it down later but take a disc and spin it on your finger, then push upwards slightly on the bottom of the disc. It will tilt upwards 90° exactly. This all has to do with gyroscopics and rotating bodies of mass. Veritasium has lots of videos which break down how rotating objects work which help dive deeper into this type of thing.
Okay to break down what I said, firstly as air goes over the disc it pushes on the wing. Some discs are shaped to push the air over the bottom more or to push the air over the top obthe disc more. Plastic affects how the wing is shaped too so that is where inconsistencies come into play. Take out overstable drivers like a firebird. Look at the profile of the disc. There is more wing on the bottom of the disc than on the top and that pushes the bottom of the disc harder which makes the disc fade hard. Then take a understable driver like a road runner or sidewinder and the wing pushes most of the air over the top of the disc which pushes the right side of the disc down and causes it to turn over.
The reason it is translated 90° is something I don’t fully remember or know why, but it is because the disc is spinning and it is translated in the direction of the spin. That is why forehands are opposite as the disc is spinning the opposite direction.
Also think of the tilt, there is NO air going over the top of the disc so the disc is literally being forced to tilt over and die. Also that is why over stable discs go not as far, because the wing shape slows the air down a lot. And when you flip the tilt upside down the rules are backwards so it really is just flying like a normal disc. Hard to explain without having a disc in my hands to show. But the reason normal discs are soooo overstable when thrown upside down is because they are designed to make a good bit of air push down on the top of the disc. When it is upside down it is pushing alll on the bottom of the disc and it makes it fade. I’m not certain how dome affects how air flows over the disc but it would be harder for the dome because it would have less torque as it is in the middle of the disc. Idk.
This is awesome!
Thank you for your input! I think most of what you said is spot on and you definitely taught me some things. I agree with most of everything, but there are a few little adjustments I think I would make. Hope you tune in and enjoy my next vid! :D
gloves, golden retriever, haha hacky sac, a couple of bucks. thats gold dude. my bag also
One of the biggest meat hooks I have in my bag is a sidewinder, It's maxed weight and is in champion plastic, mid dome. I think it all has to do with the wing and where the weight is with it. My guess is that when it was still cooling it was sat on its side, making the wing move and reshape a little making it uneven. PS: I can throw most discs and can get into the upper 300's.
Dude... I didn't know you had a youtube channel. This is amazing info and I'm definitely going to make a chart like that for myself. Super helpful! I also gotta say you have an incredible vibe/personality. Definitely a fan and will be rooting for you whenever I see you on a card.
And btw I'm a filmmaker, and wanted to let you know if you're curious about your lens doing that weird back and forth warp thing at the beginning of the video, that's called breathing. Every lens has some breathing when ever changing focus -- you'll see it in movies when they have a big focus pull the lens will breathe. I don't think it's a bad thing, but thought I'd let you know if you're curious.
But yeah I'm definitely subscribed.
Thanks for the comment, man! Ya, I am a complete amateur. I know the auto-focus has a harder time when I'm so close to the camera and especially when I'm talking with my hands. Just part of the learning process haha
Great ITB, some cool perspective. I have been putting with your X-Blend Scarabs for almost a year and love them! I had a couple weeks where I messed with a P Model S and I thought I was liking it. Then I put the Scarab back in to test one day and realized I was crazy to even try to replace them. I don't really believe that there is any one thing that specifically effects the stability, there are too many variables and no consistent or dependable "controls". Hope to see you play in some tourneys this year!
For overhands (thumber, tommy) overstable=slower pan which is more distance. Understable = faster pan and less distance
I love the foxbat. As a lefty the late flip I can get with it Game Maker.
More dome traps more air for more lift. A flexible disc with alot of dome will actually swell and expand to hold even more air underneath, meaning even more glide. So I hear, lol.
Another comment about the disc colours. As commented green disks are typically the most overstable, this is due to Green dye pigments often contain iron.