In the combo DI&mic technique for electric basses, it’s not just in or out of phase between the two sources, it’s the actual propagation delay between the DI signal and how long it takes the cone of the amp to move air: A little channel delay (on a digital console) to the DI signal can be momentous and really help to get that instrument to sit as a foundational element in a mix. Get that right, *then* figure out the amp’s phase relationship with the PA.
I'm glad sound guys like you exist out in the world somewhere. Usually when people see my pedalbord and the mic request on the input rider, they just roll their eyes and do the bare minimum, even though my setup is carefully chosen to be flexible for any venue and stage type. I've only had someone approach me to dial in the perfect room sound once in over 30 gigs
Tip: ask the band what tuning they are using and set your hipass filter accordingly. And remember that electric bass specially at the lower tunings has very little of the fundamental frequency: even if they have B tuning it does not mean you are getting really any 30Hz from the bass. It is all 2nd/3rd harmonics and octave up. Even at E tuning the lowest note has fundamental frequency as 3rd loudest. This is because of the physical dimensions, the strings dictate the ratio between fundamental and harmonics. Our ears however will complete the harmonic series and we can hear the pitch of the note, even if the fundamental is completely removed and only its harmonics remain.. You can cut a lot of unwanted rumble by starting your cut around the lowest note so that it already cuts away some of it. Synth bass does not have the same limitations and they can easily have the fundamental frequency as the loudest...
12:45 Alternative method to the 'side mic' is placing the small diaphram condenser with rubber bands behind the strings, if the bass does not come with a mount
Recent subscriber! You have some really detailed and informative content. Question for you. I’m looking at buying a bass amp that has an DI-out with an impulse response filter on it. Would an IR-filtered DI be useful to you in the context of a rock mix? Assuming there is some overdrive on the bass. Would you also want a DI straight from the bass or out of the pedalboard in this situation? Thanks!
Oh why thank you! I think an IR filtered DI is perfect. I have no problem with it, it's just More of the tone you want. That plus a mic would be my ideal
Live your content. How about a few points on the style of music. As you may know the sound of bass is very different for various styles (rock, blues, jazz, reggae, funk/R&B,).
A good sound is made with : 1 ) No microphone to pick up the sound. 2 ) seperate cabinets for bass and drum. That is the final secret. Unfortunatly most of the "sound makers" have no earing.
In the combo DI&mic technique for electric basses, it’s not just in or out of phase between the two sources, it’s the actual propagation delay between the DI signal and how long it takes the cone of the amp to move air: A little channel delay (on a digital console) to the DI signal can be momentous and really help to get that instrument to sit as a foundational element in a mix. Get that right, *then* figure out the amp’s phase relationship with the PA.
I'm glad sound guys like you exist out in the world somewhere. Usually when people see my pedalbord and the mic request on the input rider, they just roll their eyes and do the bare minimum, even though my setup is carefully chosen to be flexible for any venue and stage type. I've only had someone approach me to dial in the perfect room sound once in over 30 gigs
I'm glad I give you hope. Hopefully you find someone you can work with regularly that gets your setup. Best of luck
I learn new things from every video! Amazing work and clear explanations!
Tip: ask the band what tuning they are using and set your hipass filter accordingly.
And remember that electric bass specially at the lower tunings has very little of the fundamental frequency: even if they have B tuning it does not mean you are getting really any 30Hz from the bass. It is all 2nd/3rd harmonics and octave up. Even at E tuning the lowest note has fundamental frequency as 3rd loudest. This is because of the physical dimensions, the strings dictate the ratio between fundamental and harmonics. Our ears however will complete the harmonic series and we can hear the pitch of the note, even if the fundamental is completely removed and only its harmonics remain.. You can cut a lot of unwanted rumble by starting your cut around the lowest note so that it already cuts away some of it.
Synth bass does not have the same limitations and they can easily have the fundamental frequency as the loudest...
Just stumbled on your channel, love the format and quality. Keep up the good work!
loving this series... thanks
Spreadin' the love my man...fantastic video
I appreciate the work and effort you put into your content. Thanks for what you do!
As an owner of some basses….I have “active” basses with just a passive tone knob. I also have passive basses with higher output than my active basses.
12:45 Alternative method to the 'side mic' is placing the small diaphram condenser with rubber bands behind the strings, if the bass does not come with a mount
I can’t believe how much I agree with everything you said. It was all spot on
Glad to hear it 😁
Recent subscriber! You have some really detailed and informative content.
Question for you. I’m looking at buying a bass amp that has an DI-out with an impulse response filter on it. Would an IR-filtered DI be useful to you in the context of a rock mix? Assuming there is some overdrive on the bass. Would you also want a DI straight from the bass or out of the pedalboard in this situation?
Thanks!
Oh why thank you! I think an IR filtered DI is perfect. I have no problem with it, it's just More of the tone you want. That plus a mic would be my ideal
Live your content. How about a few points on the style of music. As you may know the sound of bass is very different for various styles (rock, blues, jazz, reggae, funk/R&B,).
Your videos is very clear explanation..thank you so much bro...I learned a lot from your video..❤
Thanks so much for the kind words, so glad it's helpful
Cool man!!
I like it, am just watching this I love it. But is it possible with xr18 beringer?
A good sound is made with :
1 ) No microphone to pick up the sound.
2 ) seperate cabinets for bass and drum.
That is the final secret.
Unfortunatly most of the "sound makers" have no earing.