Next time add epoxy mix to a clear sealable bag. It allows for better mixing then when finished you can cut the corner of the bag and squeeze the epoxy into the jacket with more control and less product waste
Apologies if I missed it in the video, but what amount of power should I consider doing this? I have a H22 block that's at the machine shop for a bore and hone job at the moment, and I'm going to be putting a set of rods and forged 10:1 (+0.25mm) pistons in it. My power goal is ~350 wheel HP. Open to input or suggestions from anyone. Thanks.
Very cool. I like this method. Much easier than the classic way which was to do everything else the same, but use JB Weld which has to be applied with a putty knife and was far more messy, and took more time to clean up. I think the only benefit is that the JB is a bit stronger than those easy pour epoxys and cheaper.
I found it easier to take coffee straws and once sugar is added put the gasket down then put the straws in threw the gasket and align them while pouring it
done it was pain in ass on 255/257 leveling due to the semi closed webs makes it hard to level once it meets the supports open deck was way more simple to do and it leveled nice
Stupid question but how does it keep cool now, yes it's probably for drag not street but how does the coolant keep it cool if it's filled now,I have an alloy ls1 and block being weak point
5 or 4mm SS (marine) wire around the bores also helps. this give the epoxy scaffold-like characteristics and or many loops if 1mm wire also works. the epoxy surrounded the wire must be that woven wire, so the epoxy bites the rough surface
@@TTGTO288bro you only need sleeves if your plannin to push a shit load of boost obv sleeves is better but for a daily pushing what 16-17 psi this will work real good butttt always the tune is what matters here
Any update on how it’s holding up?? Looks like the questions been asked a few times with no answer… or at least let us know if your making another video on it
@Varitype Epoxy is not rigid, it will flex, crack and break. Mix up a batch, form it and test it. It will never be as strong as a Darton Sleeve set-up or metal ... the guy in this video is getting lucky and cheating death with his block. I've seen plenty of blocks go longer than expected with stupid "snake oil" mods like this, but it will eventually come apart. Ideas like these come from a late night and someone say, "hold my beer and watch this !!".
Hey brotha I have a b18b non vtec build I want to build I have a complete block I have the epoxy already and 404 crowder cams it’s going to be a street car looking to stay under 550 whp what would you recommend thank you
This is better than css and cheaper sleeping your block is always better than this but you would only need to sleeve if your making crazy stupid power like 6-700+ whp but if u want a fast daily this should work just fine and block guards don’t do shit
Hello, Great video but I need to share what I found with this stuff when I used it. I did the pour and 100% success on that part nice and hard. I was so pleased until I thought, hay let's test some of the leftovers that had set in the pot about a week later. I boiled some water to simulate a running engine and dropped some large pieces in there and oh... fuck.... fuck!!! FUCK!!!! Couldnt believe it but it turns RUBBERY AND SOFT. It has no compressive strength whatsoever when hot. You can squeeze it between your fingers. And no I am not joking!!!!. I spent a full day chiseling it out of my block. Why OH why has nobody else including chris tested it hot. DO NOT USE THiS.
Just did this with my leftover puck from my squeeze bottle I used. After over ten minutes at a rolling boil (over 200 degrees f) I observed no change in material. I recorded it, maybe I'll put it up. Something was wrong with yours, evidently.
I cant believe anyone with any sense would put this in there block and think its going to benefit and save your cylinder walls??? Please send your block to CSS.
For an older dude I thought maybe you’d have some knowledge, but epoxy blocks has been in the game since back in the days with drag racing an v8… it’s good for up to 800hp. CSS is good up to 800-1000 but at that point why not skip css and go with sleeves. CSS is good depending on your power range but to make anything over 600 on stock sleeves anything is a gamble so if it’s a gamble I’d rather go with epoxy, to spend all that money on css is pretty dumb when sleeves is just a few hundred dollars more
This didnt last long for me...2 1/8 passes and 2 1/4 miles passes with 4 street pulls before the sleeves cracked at around 700whp...Forgot to add the dyno session also.
@@sethchurchvid stock ported head and half filled block just like the one your just did...gen 6266 around 30-33psi...Pretty much built everything but stock sleeves and stock ported head. Now I have a sleeved block and re used everything and its been fine now for over a year and a bit of street abuse...
Next time add epoxy mix to a clear sealable bag. It allows for better mixing then when finished you can cut the corner of the bag and squeeze the epoxy into the jacket with more control and less product waste
@Richard Henson, What kinda cakes you make?
@@sethchurchvid Defcon cakes years ago😂
@@richardhenson4257 seems like a logical solution
Good tip
Bro kindly update us how its holding and how much you making.. its been 3 months... a feedback would really help viewers
It probably didn't hold up, hence no update.
3 years
Just don’t, this is basically what? Plastic? Just CSS it
Can you add a blockguard before epoxy?
great video! i enjoyed it beginning to end. very helpful and informative! i might try this stuff out myself!
You should! Contact Chris on IG, link above ☝️
Apologies if I missed it in the video, but what amount of power should I consider doing this?
I have a H22 block that's at the machine shop for a bore and hone job at the moment, and I'm going to be putting a set of rods and forged 10:1 (+0.25mm) pistons in it. My power goal is ~350 wheel HP.
Open to input or suggestions from anyone. Thanks.
What did you end up going I’m aiming for the same power leval on h22a4
Did this and the salt caused corrosion that keeps seeping I’ve flushed the block multiple times. And still corrodes lol
Very cool. I like this method. Much easier than the classic way which was to do everything else the same, but use JB Weld which has to be applied with a putty knife and was far more messy, and took more time to clean up. I think the only benefit is that the JB is a bit stronger than those easy pour epoxys and cheaper.
Ketchup condiment bottle made it easy for me to pour.
Hey friend, I saw your video of the filler for the closed deck, after years of use, how did you find it? Is it good for daily use?
do they sell inserts where you can install instead of the epoxy ? there like billit aluminum and the support the top end of the cylinder.
CSS, cylinder support system
I found it easier to take coffee straws and once sugar is added put the gasket down then put the straws in threw the gasket and align them while pouring it
Looks easy and diy. Greetings from Aruba. Looking forward to do this on my ej205 block.
Did you? Considering for an ej255
done it was pain in ass on 255/257 leveling due to the semi closed webs makes it hard to level once it meets the supports open deck was way more simple to do and it leveled nice
Stupid question but how does it keep cool now, yes it's probably for drag not street but how does the coolant keep it cool if it's filled now,I have an alloy ls1 and block being weak point
Hey do you have an update?
The royalty free music are all bangers
Isn’t salt a corrosive?
You just can’t use a block guard?
Hi, this is poliester ?
Why not use a block guard?
5 or 4mm SS (marine) wire around the bores also helps. this give the epoxy scaffold-like characteristics
and or many loops if 1mm wire also works. the epoxy surrounded the wire
must be that woven wire, so the epoxy bites the rough surface
No, it doesn't. You might think it does, but it's just more futile work.
What is the benefit of doing this?
Reinforce sleeves
Just a waste of time and money. It doesn't reinforce anything, people give JB Weld (which is essentially what this is) too much credit.
Never seen this b4 y is it done
Not hating but isn't a block very cheap or do they need to be machined to fit is this just to get out of machining or ?
Yes, this is the poor man's way to get around using Darton sleeves and paying to install them. Nowhere near as good.
@@TTGTO288bro you only need sleeves if your plannin to push a shit load of boost obv sleeves is better but for a daily pushing what 16-17 psi this will work real good butttt always the tune is what matters here
@@skitlershot7403 Keep saying that until it blows up.
Any update on how it’s holding up?? Looks like the questions been asked a few times with no answer… or at least let us know if your making another video on it
No update just yet... 1st startup video will be uploaded soon. Thanks for commenting
Doesn't this greatly reduce the cooling, ending in surface cracking?
Not exactly. CET has many reviews netting successful outcomes. The flow is similar to that of other css.
This is the poor man's way to skirt Darton Sleeves and its not as good. Might as well just buy a junk "Block Guard", which is useless too.
@@TTGTO288wdym? Because its just epoxy and not metal?
@Varitype Epoxy is not rigid, it will flex, crack and break. Mix up a batch, form it and test it. It will never be as strong as a Darton Sleeve set-up or metal ... the guy in this video is getting lucky and cheating death with his block. I've seen plenty of blocks go longer than expected with stupid "snake oil" mods like this, but it will eventually come apart. Ideas like these come from a late night and someone say, "hold my beer and watch this !!".
i leave it a touch shallow on top so coolent can fill upper section then add holes for head gasket
Why did you do this? Are you using silicone?
Hey brotha I have a b18b non vtec build I want to build I have a complete block I have the epoxy already and 404 crowder cams it’s going to be a street car looking to stay under 550 whp what would you recommend thank you
Dm me on IG
Is this better than hard blok, or morrosso?
This is better than css and cheaper sleeping your block is always better than this but you would only need to sleeve if your making crazy stupid power like 6-700+ whp but if u want a fast daily this should work just fine and block guards don’t do shit
How much power can hold and is work good ?
The track record is high for big power setups using this same epoxy. Follow chris in the link above ☝️ for more details.
What is THE REASON, for doing this??? What the____??
You used half the epoxy and entire hardener?
No equal parts and followed directions provided
@@sethchurchvid how is it holding up? How much power you making?? I bought it too from Chris. Just contemplating whether to fill the block or not
that is aweseom!
I wanna do this on a open deck ej! should I or should I not? I just wanna run more boost and buy a STI engine
I dont see why it can't work... DM Chris in the link ☝️
Keep up the good work Seth I appreciate it💪🏽 thanks for helping me find out what I need for my NON VTEC Ls turbo build
Happy to help!
@@sethchurchvid I have a Honda Ballade VTEC B16A6 engine and somehow water keeps getting into my piston chambers- I’m unsure what the issue might be
Sama dengan punya saya dan wajib saya voba terima kasih 🙏🙏
What did you end up doing with the salt
Salt is still underneath, until part 2 where we drain it and drill coolant passages
Im next lol looks good brother keep up the damn good work
Get it ready...
Wating for the part 2
Should be filming it tonight or tomorrow ⏰
you should epoxy or hard block your engine before machine work that way any distortion can be addressed
Hello, Great video but I need to share what I found with this stuff when I used it. I did the pour and 100% success on that part nice and hard. I was so pleased until I thought, hay let's test some of the leftovers that had set in the pot about a week later. I boiled some water to simulate a running engine and dropped some large pieces in there and oh... fuck.... fuck!!! FUCK!!!! Couldnt believe it but it turns RUBBERY AND SOFT. It has no compressive strength whatsoever when hot. You can squeeze it between your fingers. And no I am not joking!!!!. I spent a full day chiseling it out of my block. Why OH why has nobody else including chris tested it hot. DO NOT USE THiS.
Lol shoulda just boiled it out
Just did this with my leftover puck from my squeeze bottle I used.
After over ten minutes at a rolling boil (over 200 degrees f) I observed no change in material. I recorded it, maybe I'll put it up.
Something was wrong with yours, evidently.
You have a bad ass car! I'm gonna have to watch some of those videos!
So is this like a poor mans DIY CSS type thing?
Old skool meets new age epoxy.... kinda
It seems like it would be very effective because of the tight “fit”. Certainly better than a cheap block guard
Probably wouldn’t of done that without a torque plate bolted down
Whats the name of the product??
Epoxy Block Filler, link in description
music too loud!
The music dose nothing for this video.
I cant believe anyone with any sense would put this in there block and think its going to benefit and save your cylinder walls??? Please send your block to CSS.
🤙
For an older dude I thought maybe you’d have some knowledge, but epoxy blocks has been in the game since back in the days with drag racing an v8… it’s good for up to 800hp. CSS is good up to 800-1000 but at that point why not skip css and go with sleeves. CSS is good depending on your power range but to make anything over 600 on stock sleeves anything is a gamble so if it’s a gamble I’d rather go with epoxy, to spend all that money on css is pretty dumb when sleeves is just a few hundred dollars more
This didnt last long for me...2 1/8 passes and 2 1/4 miles passes with 4 street pulls before the sleeves cracked at around 700whp...Forgot to add the dyno session also.
What was your setup when this occurred?
@@sethchurchvid stock ported head and half filled block just like the one your just did...gen 6266 around 30-33psi...Pretty much built everything but stock sleeves and stock ported head. Now I have a sleeved block and re used everything and its been fine now for over a year and a bit of street abuse...
@@zongyang4707 u don't think 700hp is asking too much for a DIY closed deck engine?
@@lilmixdboy it was a ticking time bomb bound to happen. It just happened faster then I anticipated..lol
This isn’t so your sleeves don’t crack
This is so your sleeves don’t move as much and blow head gaskets
Has anyone got Chris's email? I dont use fb or insta thanks