She was angry for her not offering like she felt that Charlotte is not as generous as Sam and miranda so Charlotte reassured her and let go her unhealthily obsession with the ring
Steve: Moves himself into her apartment. Blasts cartoons. Demands she change her sleep schedule for him. Invites himself to move into her home. Also Steve: You can't buy me a suit, that crosses the line.
@@brittanyg6796 I know. And he also challenged on her manners, because she didn't bother to be very polite to him when they first met. Imagine that. Steve 'Scoobydoo' Brady, lecturing Miranda Hobbs, Esquire on 'proper behavior'. They really started him out as a genuinely interesting guy. And then turned him into an kinda, sorta lovable, but also really annoying man child. All (presumably) because 'drama' is what people want to watch. I mean...it did work. I'll admit that. Their storyline wasn't boring or predictable and they were both great examples of 'imperfect but likeable' characters. But it would have been fun to see Miranda with someone who challenged her on more than just being a bit 'tense' emotionally.
I LOVED Smith. Most mature person that was fully ready for a committed grown up no BS relationship. Him waiting for Samantha by the elevator and making sure she was okay was so selfless.
This is more a work thing than entirely a money thing, but you can’t mention Charlotte quitting her job without talking about Carrie moving to Paris with Petrovsky. That was idiotic on so many levels, way beyond the fact that they too had nothing in common. What was her plan? No French intensive class? No book-length writing project? Even if they had been wildly in love and truly compatible, he was in Paris to work on his gallery opening. What did she picture herself doing every day after the first week or so? How does a grown ass woman have no better sense of purpose than that? Oh that drove me crazy. Still does obviously…
Part of Carrie's arc is that she is a Romantic with a capital R- so she is big into her idealistic view of things and does not have any sort of pragmaticism or particular purpose. So when we view Carrie, we see what happens when a Romantic person makes Romantic decisions- they are laughably bad. Carrie sees herself as a sophisticated, Romantic New Yorker- but in reality she is a provincial, rather naive person who lacks real curiosity about Paris, France or even trying make new acquaintances.
Absolutly! But what I still dont get: how on earth can you get bored in Paris? I would see architecture and museums all day + try restaurants + go shopping + start a class (also to meet people). I really think she is silly
@@pn7134every time she says she’s been to each museum TWICE, I crack. That’s not possible. Not in two weeks, nor in a month, not even if that’s the only thing you do while in Paris. And girl, I get it, you’re tired of museums. But Paris is the world capital of FASHION! No way you’ve been in all the little boutiques at the Marais!
That whole thing was textbook abusive relationship: he love bombs her, isolates her from friends and family, makes her dependent on him, and "accidentally" hits her.
It’s so different rewatching SATC as a fabulous 40 something divorcee living on my own in Chicago in this economy compared to watching it as a single 20 something in Iowa that desperately aspired to be Carrie. Now Samantha is who I aspire to be😹
I'm still not over the fact that Carrie could afford $40,000 worth of shoes while writing one column a week The other big lie from this show that always got to me was the fact that four friends would always have time to have brunch with each other and go out with each other. I miss that life
Well, I have several points on that topic and how it's fully plausible. 1) She bought the shoes over the course of probably at least a decade, not all in one year or something. 2) She negotiated Vogue into paying her $4.50 a word for the articles she wrote for them, presumably about 500 words once a month. That's a $2000 paycheck from Vogue each month. Now, she did take the Vogue job after the apartment-buying fiasco revealed that she really needed to increase her income if she wanted to continue her lifestyle. But we can extrapolate from that what she might have been making from her column for the New York Star, which probably ran weekly. It seems like she actually was making a pretty good income from her column, probably at least $8000 a month (not entirely unlikely for a popular column in a major newspaper back then). 3) She had pretty low other expenses. Her rent was an absolute steal since it was rent-controlled. When she does briefly look at other apartments because she can't afford to buy her own, it's shown that the current market rate for apartments smaller and worse than hers is MUCH higher than her current rent. And of course she had no children, no chronic health issues, and no car since she lived in NYC. 4) She isn't making financially responsible moves. She has virtually no savings. I would not be surprised if she has pretty much nothing in the way of retirement savings, nor would I be surprised if she doesn't even really have insurance of any kind. And she regularly maxes out her credit cards. So it's not like she's spending that money on shoes and then has money left over to live well in other areas. She's not living well in a broader sense. So given all of the above, I actually find it fully plausible that she could indeed have that much to blow on clothes, eating out, and cigarettes (the first few seasons). It wasn't a smart choice, but she basically just prioritized spending on her vices above all other spending.
My friends & I can barely get together for lunch two or three times a year…even me & my other childfree friends just don’t have time. And we are just plain TIRED😂😭
Also! Carrie frequently wore several different rings across the series. It wasn't a sensory ick thing for her: she didn't wanna fucking get married to Aiden
No. She wasn't ready because there were too many changes coming at once. They get back together, but then they agree to live together, then they get engaged after, what, a month or two? That's a lot for someone used to being on their own. She wasn't ready. Plain and simple. Carrie communicated that to Aidan, and in the end, he couldn't handle that. He thought he could "lock" her down, and she listened to her feelings.
People say Sex and the City is unrealistic money wise, but Carrie having no savings and just lifestyle inflating, not thinking of the future, and spending on wants in her life is the most relatable millennial thing she ever did.
It's not so much how she spends its how much money she has. No one in publishing makes enough money to live like that unless they're in the executive suite, not someone who writes a column once a week.
@@rabbit_scribe No it's very possible. Based on what Vogue paid her (about $2000-$2500 a month), we can extrapolate that the New York Star was probably paying her about $8000 a month (assuming her column ran weekly), and that's not unheard of for a popular column in a major newspaper 25 years ago. So she had a pretty good income, and she was spending hardly any of it on things that weren't clothes, cigarettes, and eating out. Heck, sometimes when she was eating out, it was on a date that I'm sure she wasn't paying for. So with no savings and very little other expenditures, I can see her being able to "afford" that lifestyle, especially with the help of credit card debt.
agreed. I’m a millennial and both I and so many of my friends are financially irresponsible. I’m currently in the process of learning how to manage my finances properly. consumerism was really pushed on millennials hard!
Objectively Charolette selling her ring was a terrible choice, but it does fit thematically with each of the girls have a part in Carrie's engagement to Aiden (in reality, to her friends.) Miranda picked out the ring she hated, Samantha picked out the ring she never wore, and Charlotte sold her own ring to give Carrie a home. In their own way they all sort of proposed to her.
sometimes I do think our friends' advice on our own relationships should be taken with a grain of salt... they may tell you to go on with a person cause they're nice, treat you well, etc, i.e. 'on paper' arguments, when you voice your concerns about the relationship not feeling right on a gut level (so, argument that's subjective to you), so yes the girl's opinions may have influenced Carrie to stay with him for longer that she would have otherwise
Back in the day this would not have been strange. I’ve helped my friends using my money many times in my life. It’s crazy to you because your generation only cares about themselves. So greedy.
♥️ Loved this. Carrie dressing up to the nines, to go to Big’s office to ask him for advice! Regarding her apartment (and informing Big of her lack of funds) has always reminded me of broke Scarlett O’hara visiting Rhett in prison in Gone With The Wind.
With regards to Steve and the suit....why was it either the mustardnsuit, or the designer custom made suit? There IS a happy medium. It's called Macy's where regular men buy regular, affordable, suits every single day. I doubt the whole thing would have even beem an issue if they just went to a regular store.
And you're telling me in New York there's no place to rent a suit for a night? Like really? There were so many other options they could have taken into consideration but nooooo Steve has to feel bad about himself and resent Miranda and make her feel bad. I hate Steve 😂
I think the thing is, in that kind of setting, people notice suits. Very high end lawyers know suits. I think a rental was the right way to go. I never understood needing to buy a 2k suit for a new beau. Like ill pay for your suit rental lol. But ive only known you two weeks
But that’s exactly why he actually was a simp. Because he deserved so much better and still allowed Carrie back into his life to hurt him again and again. Aiden was as down bad as can be.
Whatever he was obviously does not justify how terrible person Carrie was. I find pathetic to call him a simp, he was someone who values woman’s word and trusts what she says. He could have been an amazing husband to a woman with values and self respect.
The thing I hated the most was one line by Mirands saying she worked (I believe 12) hour days. If that were true, she would never see them, ever. Her coworkers would be the only people in her circle
Well they have breakfast on Saturday morning.... They see each other at lunch time so I guess she can take a 1 hour lunch, when they go to evening events is probably on Friday or Saturday eve.... And she only have 3 friends. I can see it.
a plot hole necessary if you want a group of 4 friends that have such different careers and personalities but yeah all those brunches and lunches wouldn't have been possible in real life !
Suit shenanigans aside, I can't believe Miranda stayed with Steve after the skid marks incident. So damn gross! And she kept doing his laundry! Women settling for men who won't even wipe their asses properly is just so tragic. Even in this day and age, being single is seen as a fate worse than death for women. Every time I read a cursed post on reddit about gross men and their skid marks I think about Steve lmao
Maybe I'm just clueless and this is a common "internet comment" phrase (replace "Berger" and "haters" with whatever works in context) but this made me laugh more than I expected
Annoyingly Carrie didn't even ask Big for the money, she asked him to tell her what he knows about money 🤦 Making it seem like... She was going to use the info to find 50K in a few days... But she obviously wanted the money from him. She's ridiculous.
I don't necessarily think that Trey didn't treat Charlotte well. It just turned out that they weren't on the same page as far as having children. And he was a momma's boy, and his mother was insufferable.
Well money wise I think they all had their ducks in a row except of Carrie. Both Sam and Miranda were very successful. Charlotte was doing great too and came from money. But the love part I agree, tho there were some def good relationships portrayed (Sam and smith, aiden wasn’t perfect but was a good man, char & harry, it wasn’t all bad)
I hate wearing anything on my hands and wrists, be it rings, bracelets even nail polish. We use our hands for everything, why make it more uncomfortable?
How about the time Carrie spent almost definitely over $1000 for a new outfit for an event because Big's wife was going to be there, and she needed to impress her? And then Natasha ended up NOT EVEN GOING? That was not the best financial choice... Also side note, when Miranda and Samantha offer Carrie the money, she goes "No, I can't take your money." But shortly after comes to confront Charlotte. (I figure she was stressed about the situation and chose to take it out on her friend.)
That's exactly what was happening when she confronted Charlotte. She didn't actually want money from any of them. But she did notice when Charlotte very pointedly didn't offer, and I'm sure that did sting a little in the moment after Miranda and Samantha had just blithely offered. But she and Charlotte both knew she wasn't really mad about that. She was just making a mountain out of a molehill because she was stressed and in the mood to pick a fight. The fight fizzled out pretty immediately when Charlotte stood up to her.
As much as I loved Sex and the City as a show, I ABSOLUTELY HATED CARRIE's CHARACTER! Your point #5 about her asking Charlotte to pawn her engagement ring is BEYOND ME because of the entitlement. Or how she refuses to move out of NYC because "she is a NYC girl". The fact that she is the protagonist of the show and somehow "made it" by scoring a top-selling book, and scoring a top-notch Daddy (Big, so rich and handsome), is the kind of FALSE REALITY that influenced alot of the bad spending and entitled culture that we are seeing here, especially in women. I just HAD to vent because FINALLY, a video that calls out all the BS lol
@@SuperBrianMak She went to pick a fight with Charlotte because she was in debt and Charlotte was fine and Miranda and Sam offered to pay for her house and Char didn't. The whole "let do of what the ring meant" is such bs. That's not why she went to her house. When she got there, the first thing she asks is why Charlotte didn't offer her the money.
Miranda is indeed a super tragic, but unfortunately realistic character. Women who earn law partner salaries had very narrow and not great choices in dating
Great video. On the issue of Charlotte quitting her job, I always got the impression that she came from family money, so I never thought she was going to suffer financially by not working.
One of my friends literally did the same thing as charlotte. Quit her job immediately after getting married. Got pregnant two months after the wedding. Has only known the man for 8 months 😭😭
@@yummysushipyjamas The Birkin incident was when she was representing Lucy Liu as a client. She wanted a Birkin bag but couldn't get one, so she pretended to be buying it for Lucy Liu so she could weasel her way up the wait list. Lucy fired her when she found out about it.
I loved the show when it came out. Psh, don't tell anyone, but I have a confession. I never related to any of these ladies. Not even today. I know, I know gash!!! True, be told as a native NYer, none of their lives seem real to me. Not in the least. During the shows run, I knew people of various incomes and who lived in the city. The show was pure mindless entertainment.
Girl I was cracking up the whole time 😂 You funny as hell. I recently rewatched the series for the umpteenth time and something that stood out to me was why Carrie didn’t have a part time job BEFORE she was forced to buy her apartment. Homegirl clearly wasn’t making enough. Any sane adult would’ve got a side gig to offset all that credit card debt!
@@reaf2565 I am sure if she would have deposited the check she would have first gone to buy new things and be crying again for not having enough money.
Carrie had absolutely no ambition for anything other than being out on the town. In the episode where she's having her book party she says something about how she's celebrating that she "finally" found a publisher for her book. Girl, found? They came to you, it didn't even enter your mind to compile your columns into a book. She didn't even consider additional freelancing until she was in dire straits.
I never understood why Carrie was so upset that Charlotte didn't offer her money for her down payment. Like, you already had TWO other friends offer the money and YOU TURNED THEM DOWN. But now you're upset that your third friend didn't also offer you the money?! Like...what? Make it make sense Carrie!
Charlotte was a millionaire after her divorce, and she won a penthouse apartment in a settlement. She had no financial worries what-so-ever (because of her relationship with a man, mind you), so Carrie, in the midst of losing her apartment after losing her fiancé, was in a vulnerable state, questioning her self worth and who's really there for her. Three working friends offered, while her newly-rich friend in her newly-awarded penthouse did not. It was more so about the gesture.
burger was bad, but the worst dude on the show was the guy in season one that filmed women without their consent, and carrie was just fine with it lol. forgot about him until i rewatched the series and was horrified 😳
Also scary passive aggressive and abusive! The scary motorcycle ride with Carrie Who doesn't even know how to ride properly was super Dangerous!!!! 😮 That legit pissed me off SO bad!!! 😤😠😡🤬
One of the biggest things people complain about with friends is that there's no way Monica and Rachel could afford that apartment..... Except this is addressed in one of the first episodes, that they were illegally subletting it from one of Monica's relatives who had rent control on the apartment.
@@alexwelsh4336 Chandler's job supposedly paid well. He was some kind of data analyst. When he and Monica are getting married and he shows her what kind of money he has saved she is stunned and Phoebe was like, "For that kind of money, I'll marry you!" Chandler supported Joey early in his career and when Joey finally found steady work again Chandler was probably saving all that money he was spending on Joey
I didn't understand the part when after Carrie & Aiden broke up, Carrie seemed shocked opening up those legal papers over the apartment-like what did she think was going to happen? Like did she think Aiden was just going to walk away from the money he put into the apartment(s)?
I didn’t hate Trey either. I thought he was a decent guy just all wrong for Charlotte. I think he gave her the apartment because he knew when they got married she wanted children very much, and he was the one who changed his mind (I’m Childfree too, so I don’t blame him). In my head I think Trey finally did meet a compatible Childfree Dr after Bunny died.
I am 40. I watched SATC in my late teens and early 20s, it was so daring and eye opening! I thought it was amazing. And now, 20 years later, I realize how wrong it is
I’m 58 and the same age as the characters but I never really related to the characters, they are American and I’m British. Some parts were groundbreaking for sure, like the masturbation toys featured. But a lot bothered me, Charlotte rejecting the pastry chef, Carrie’s smoking and not giving up on Big immediately and rejecting the gorgeous bisexual guy and breaking into the box in a lover’s apartment. The whole shoe episode and Miranda “settling” for Steve. The women’s weirdness around uncircumcised men.
I found it perfectly reasonable for Miranda to pay for the suit. It’s not something Steve had needed in his life, but it was something that was important to Miranda. He could not afford the suit either. The question is, though, did it have to be an expensive custom suit. Can’t he just get one from JC Penny?
I just binged the series again and YES TO ALL OF THIS! Not just the financial stuff but the commentary on Steve, Berger, Big, Aiden, and Smith. Smith was a King and Trey really was a great guy who got married too fast to a girl who he had one major incompatibility with that was a mutual dealbreaker. The rest of the guys in the show make very weird decisions in regards to both money and relationships.
@@stephanieauker1106 Ok Yes Harry is a total sweetheart but I would also argue his pursuing Charlotte was a very weird decision and while they ultimately ended up as a good fit in the show his behavior while acting as her divorce lawyer was at times unprofessional.
I truly believe that Berger didn't feel insecure because "a woman "was earning more than him or being more successfull than him but he felt insecure because Carrie was his peer. Imagine seeing your partner, who's literally doing the same job as you, receive the accolades, money and validation that's you've always been dreaming of. It would be extremely hard to handle, especially if you're the artistic/creative field. I'm a proud Berger apologist, there, I've said it
So true. The writers did a great job with the Berger character. His meltdown at the end of their relationship was built up slowly over time, and his bad behavior is rooted in very relatable human foibles.
I keep my wedding ring in my jewelry trunk because it belonged to his deceased mother and that's sacred to me. She "comes with us" for anniversary and birthday events only (My choice; she seemed SO COOL and I never got to meet her. I love honoring her in that little way). Plus, I brag about him/us so much that I leave noooo question as to my marital status. 🤘
Buying the chair from the guy that made her quit smoking would have paid for itself in 3-6 months… it could have also been one of her smarter financial moves.
I love satc idc. It’s very entertaining. I don’t care that they’re living unrealistic lifestyles for what their salaries probably would have been, or that Carrie is problematic, or about any of the other usual criticisms of the show. It’s relatable to this day.
The argument with Charlotte always drives me crazy. And how Carrie claims she wouldn’t even have taken it, but days later she does take Charlotte’s money, promising to pay her back, but it’s never mentioned again. I guess the writers had to drop the storyline b/c otherwise Charlotte would’ve spent the rest of the series getting annoyed at Carrie for continuing to live beyond her means while she owes Charlotte $30k. Also it always stuck with me when Carrie asks who has $30k and Miranda says she has half that. Miranda is a successful lawyer & only has $15k in savings? That seems low even for the 90s.
I always assumed that the $15k was the amount of disposable income Miranda was willing to loan to Carrie. I’m sure Miranda had more but she wasn’t going to put herself or her baby in a dangerous position just to help Carrie (as much as she loved her).
@@Natalie_11188 I assumed it was how much she had in liquid cash that she was willing to part with (likely having much more), and that she has the bulk of her assets in investments, 401Ks and such.
Wow I always liked Steve and while I did feel the dog thing and the suit issues were stupid and he should’ve listened to his very logical girlfriend, I didn’t really realize how broke behavior that was. Lol! And I loved when charlotte told Carrie it wasn’t her job to fix her finances and was a little upset when she gave her the ring.
I like Steve as well and don't really agree with Chelsea's reading on him at all here, but to each their own. I think both he and Miranda's character development throughout the series was very well done. It felt like they both forced each other to change for the better.
I'm a man born in 1992 and have never seen a single episode of the show, but am watching this just for Chelsea. I've learned so much about the show just from this channel lol.
How about when Baryshnikov (I forget the name of the character) offers to keep paying the rent on her New York apartment so she’ll move to Paris with him? At least sublet it or something!
I always hated steve. Miranda really should have realized she was too good for him and needed tokeep it pushing. And he clearly felt that way, so he shoulda just left her the hell alone so she could find her match. But i suppose he couldnt resist the housing she provided with her big girl job.
#1 Aidan buying Carrie's apartment #2 Charlotte quitting her job #3 Carrie buying Vogue instead of dinner #4 Steve and the suit #5 Carrie bullying Charlotte for her ring #6 Miranda and Samantha offer the money #7 Berger and the Prada shirt #8 Samantha's insider trading #9 Carrie buying a $3,800 chair #10 Big cutting Carrie a check
Omg, thank you! This length of video is much better suited to the TH-cam format. I’ll not watch the epic feature film-length video essays, but I’ll definitely tune in if you keep producing these interesting videos of reasonable length.
I forgot about the insider trading Samantha participated in! I think Samantha screwing and later dating Richard was pretty bad. He was her boss! What if he got bitter after she dumped him and decided to attempt sabotaging her firm? Or even when she threw a party at his Hamptons house after they broke up. Like girl what? Now you gotta fix the window you broke after his groupies pissed you off. 😄
Agree. People put Samantha on a pedestal. And although she does behave less judgmental, she behaves unhinged with men and has put a man over her own friends on more than one occasion. I think of Carrie trying to make a toast while they were in Atlantic City and Sam just gets up mid toast to chase after Richard.
I howled when you said “honey, at that point sprinkle sprinkle” 🤣🤣. Sprinkle lady is… just… wow. 🤣. Enjoyed this video, I never watched the show but it’s still fun for me to watch.
I assume carries cost of living was actually low. She lived in the same apartment for over a decade before the show began and they had rent control her rent could have been less than $500 a month. She had money to throw around and buy shoes plus she was young and didnt think about tomorrow. Until that all caught up to her. Very relatable. She didnt think about the future without thinking about likely getting married, having more security, so she was just living for the moment.
The problem with Trey was he wasn’t really honest prior to them getting married about wanting to be child free or even not really wanting to get married.. he just felt that was what he should be doing to fit into this perfect box that his family emulates and unfortunately dragged charlotte through it knowing that’s exactly what she wanted. Don’t think he was bad for wanting to be alone but he should’ve communicated that and Charlotte shouldn’t have had blinders on and rushed to get married
I think if the infertility hadn't come up, Trey would have just gone along with having a baby because that's what he's supposed to do in his society. In a way, the infertility issue was the best thing for him, because it forced him to finally be honest with Charlotte and himself.
Rewatching the series now that I'm older is such a different experience! I used to be head over heels for Steve, but now I am SMITH alll the wayyyyyyyyy!
Thank you for this video! One of the things that irks me the most about the show is the unrealistic money aspect. Steve as a full-time bartender cannot afford a suit, but Carrie who writes a small weekly column in a not so popular newspaper can afford couture and designer items? I know Carrie lived in a rent-controlled apartment, but Steve lived in a shit hole that probably didn't cost much either. Carrie should have never ever have been able to afford her luxurious lifestyle! Even after her book is published! It's soooo unrealistic!
As a broke boy myself, I feel like the most insane thing is the going out every night to clubs, ordering cabs, literally NEVER cooking (i rarely buy frozen premade meals, alone ordering takeout, let ALONE having it delivered) and the constant buying of shoes. I dont have any savings rn (we'll get there lol) and im privileged in a lot of ways (parents who can bail me out if i need it) so i feel incredibly lucky and Carrie's spending is so baffling to me. I feel like so many people could spend her money more wisely than she did 😂
I have a slight different POV about Steve and the suit. I’m prefacing by saying that yes I may have a myopic view on this and assessing misogyny as a cisgender male. That said, I think the video tapped into a little but not enough of the CLASSISM that impacted Steve there. Like yes, they had a major income disparity, but there’s no rich man that Steve would have felt inclined to accept a suit from either. I can give an example: we mentioned Aiden earlier that he bought Carrie’s apartment and we know from the series he’s a craftsman or furniturist or whatever the term is, and he clearly does well enough for himself that he can afford NYC cost of living AND afford buying that apartment. We also know from the series that there’s at least a hint that Steve and Aidan hang out and are friends (we don’t quite know how close, of course). Even if they became very close friends, I strongly contend Steve would never accept money or be gifted a suit from Aiden. And while I know there’s differences between friends and partners, I think classism gave Steve a chip from accepting any sort of gift or “handout” from anybody, even if it is clearly to his benefit, and PRIDEFUL to do anything desperate to do it all himself. And don’t get me wrong, DITCHING her and RETURNING it is absolutely disgraceful and definitely falls under wounded puppy ego BS. I just think HIS feelings about money played more or equal part in his actions as opposed to the fact it was Miranda buying it for him (and he certainly didn’t have a problem with her buying the house in Brooklyn to my knowledge, buy if he did in the episode im happy to stand corrected). Now BERGER? ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND PERCENT AGREE!!!! just my thoughts….
Steve did accept Aidan as a silent partner when he bought a bar after Steve and Miranda broke up. Miranda tried to convince Steve to buy a bar when they were together and he was having none of it
Question, has anyone forgot that when Carrie met Big's first wife. She told Carrie that Big cheated on her with her best friend? HOW, just HOW, will any woman go for him after that? He has a record of doing that to someone that trusted him. Maybe Carrie was delulu and thought he wasn't going to do that to her?
I think it's ridiculous for Charlotte to lecture Carrie about her unfortunate financial situation, she quit her job to prepare for motherhood when she wasn't even pregnant. Carrie was right to point out that Charlotte got everything from a divorce settlement, she's far from being independent and responsible herself. If Charlotte didn't have a competent lawyer and somewhat decent ex, she would be in a way worse situation than Carrie. Charlotte just got lucky, and had the audacity to lecture Carrie, who at least had a successful career.
But Charlotte had somewhat her back covered and she knew it: she had the prenup, she had married a very wealthy man, she seemed to come from "old money" or a very rich family. Charlotte could afford what she was doing, Carrie couldn' t
That actor you mentioned is also Roman in Gossip Girl and then makes a completely unfitting cameo in And Just Like That as a sleazy guy one of the new characters dates… 😅
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Slightly finance-adjacent, but you know Samantha was not getting through the Me Too movement unscathed. I’ll bet she had to settle quite a few cases in civil court.
The reasons I'm not completely dismissing Trey are because he did treat her well and because he's played by Kyle. He's just such a likeable person. The creators of SATC said they didn't intend for Trey to have a long-lasting presence, but Kyle was so loveable and fun, they decided to rewrite him and give him a more important role.
Carrie feeling entitled to have Charlotte help her was INSANE
Totally agree! I cannot explain how furious I felt about this moment
YES! I remember arguing endlessly with my friends in our early 20s about why this was so wrong!
She was angry for her not offering like she felt that Charlotte is not as generous as Sam and miranda so Charlotte reassured her and let go her unhealthily obsession with the ring
@@salmaokavor5610 she had a right to that ring! She does not owe her friend, who is bad a finances, that money.
It was totally unhinged! I was so pissed
Charlotte quitting her job was bonkers! She loved her job.
Right? She literally let the artist make a huge painting of her hoohah for that artist's gallery event!
So what why would she work he’s loaded.
@@katemiller7874because she loved her job and it was important to her. ❤
I love my job too but if I could afford to quit I would. Especially once I have kids. You can love your job and still prefer not to work.
Just the thought of leaving my job to be completely financially dependent on someone else, gives me anxiety
Steve: Moves himself into her apartment. Blasts cartoons. Demands she change her sleep schedule for him. Invites himself to move into her home.
Also Steve: You can't buy me a suit, that crosses the line.
Doesn't anyone remember the first episode with Steve? He was pouring wine and c reading a book. He was an intellectual. They RUINED his character.
@@brittanyg6796they gave him random books to read like it shows him as a smart guy. One time it was a book on aquariums like wtf 😂
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I know. And he also challenged on her manners, because she didn't bother to be very polite to him when they first met. Imagine that. Steve 'Scoobydoo' Brady, lecturing Miranda Hobbs, Esquire on 'proper behavior'.
They really started him out as a genuinely interesting guy.
And then turned him into an kinda, sorta lovable, but also really annoying man child.
All (presumably) because 'drama' is what people want to watch. I mean...it did work. I'll admit that. Their storyline wasn't boring or predictable and they were both great examples of 'imperfect but likeable' characters.
But it would have been fun to see Miranda with someone who challenged her on more than just being a bit 'tense' emotionally.
Re watching she was mean to him too lol their relationship was not healthy either. A lot of the relationships were. Still love the shle
He lost me at skid marks on his boxers. Get lost.
I LOVED Smith. Most mature person that was fully ready for a committed grown up no BS relationship. Him waiting for Samantha by the elevator and making sure she was okay was so selfless.
That elevator moment always makes me cry
@@katygallardo2227 heartbreaking
More like simpish
Smith was the most solid character on the show. And yes, the hottest
And the writers did Samantha so dirty by ending their relationship
This is more a work thing than entirely a money thing, but you can’t mention Charlotte quitting her job without talking about Carrie moving to Paris with Petrovsky. That was idiotic on so many levels, way beyond the fact that they too had nothing in common. What was her plan? No French intensive class? No book-length writing project? Even if they had been wildly in love and truly compatible, he was in Paris to work on his gallery opening. What did she picture herself doing every day after the first week or so? How does a grown ass woman have no better sense of purpose than that? Oh that drove me crazy. Still does obviously…
Part of Carrie's arc is that she is a Romantic with a capital R- so she is big into her idealistic view of things and does not have any sort of pragmaticism or particular purpose. So when we view Carrie, we see what happens when a Romantic person makes Romantic decisions- they are laughably bad. Carrie sees herself as a sophisticated, Romantic New Yorker- but in reality she is a provincial, rather naive person who lacks real curiosity about Paris, France or even trying make new acquaintances.
Absolutly! But what I still dont get: how on earth can you get bored in Paris? I would see architecture and museums all day + try restaurants + go shopping + start a class (also to meet people). I really think she is silly
@@pn7134every time she says she’s been to each museum TWICE, I crack. That’s not possible. Not in two weeks, nor in a month, not even if that’s the only thing you do while in Paris. And girl, I get it, you’re tired of museums. But Paris is the world capital of FASHION! No way you’ve been in all the little boutiques at the Marais!
Eh by then she had success as a writer, which she could do from across the ocean (just not, about dating in new york).
That whole thing was textbook abusive relationship: he love bombs her, isolates her from friends and family, makes her dependent on him, and "accidentally" hits her.
It’s so different rewatching SATC as a fabulous 40 something divorcee living on my own in Chicago in this economy compared to watching it as a single 20 something in Iowa that desperately aspired to be Carrie. Now Samantha is who I aspire to be😹
Samantha is who I've always aspired to be!
@@bronwynbrinMiranda was pretty awesome too!
Samantha was hands down my absolute favorite. Followed by Smith!
I still have learned soooo much from their mistakes!!! Ohhh this characters!!! I can't get enough
Yas queen 🙌🏼
“Sounds like it’s time for someone to move to New Jersey” 😂
Ouch ! Lol 😂
I'm still not over the fact that Carrie could afford $40,000 worth of shoes while writing one column a week
The other big lie from this show that always got to me was the fact that four friends would always have time to have brunch with each other and go out with each other. I miss that life
She COULDN'T afford $40k on shoes... She had CC debt.
Not so long ago a popular columnist could make $100k per year, so her income wasn’t that far fetched. But those days are gone.
Well, I have several points on that topic and how it's fully plausible.
1) She bought the shoes over the course of probably at least a decade, not all in one year or something.
2) She negotiated Vogue into paying her $4.50 a word for the articles she wrote for them, presumably about 500 words once a month. That's a $2000 paycheck from Vogue each month. Now, she did take the Vogue job after the apartment-buying fiasco revealed that she really needed to increase her income if she wanted to continue her lifestyle. But we can extrapolate from that what she might have been making from her column for the New York Star, which probably ran weekly. It seems like she actually was making a pretty good income from her column, probably at least $8000 a month (not entirely unlikely for a popular column in a major newspaper back then).
3) She had pretty low other expenses. Her rent was an absolute steal since it was rent-controlled. When she does briefly look at other apartments because she can't afford to buy her own, it's shown that the current market rate for apartments smaller and worse than hers is MUCH higher than her current rent. And of course she had no children, no chronic health issues, and no car since she lived in NYC.
4) She isn't making financially responsible moves. She has virtually no savings. I would not be surprised if she has pretty much nothing in the way of retirement savings, nor would I be surprised if she doesn't even really have insurance of any kind. And she regularly maxes out her credit cards. So it's not like she's spending that money on shoes and then has money left over to live well in other areas. She's not living well in a broader sense.
So given all of the above, I actually find it fully plausible that she could indeed have that much to blow on clothes, eating out, and cigarettes (the first few seasons). It wasn't a smart choice, but she basically just prioritized spending on her vices above all other spending.
My friends & I can barely get together for lunch two or three times a year…even me & my other childfree friends just don’t have time. And we are just plain TIRED😂😭
Also had men paying for a lot of her expenses
Also! Carrie frequently wore several different rings across the series. It wasn't a sensory ick thing for her: she didn't wanna fucking get married to Aiden
No. She wasn't ready because there were too many changes coming at once. They get back together, but then they agree to live together, then they get engaged after, what, a month or two? That's a lot for someone used to being on their own. She wasn't ready. Plain and simple. Carrie communicated that to Aidan, and in the end, he couldn't handle that. He thought he could "lock" her down, and she listened to her feelings.
don't forget her breaking out in hives and having a panic attack when she and Miranda were jokingly trying on wedding dresses.
“Framed as somehow bafflingly a good person” is exactly how I feel about Carrie - she’s a deadbeat mooch
Excuse me while I steal that insult and use it on everyone.
People say Sex and the City is unrealistic money wise, but Carrie having no savings and just lifestyle inflating, not thinking of the future, and spending on wants in her life is the most relatable millennial thing she ever did.
You mean Gen X
@@yummysushipyjamas nope. I’m saying Carrie is *relatable* to Millennials, not she is one
It's not so much how she spends its how much money she has. No one in publishing makes enough money to live like that unless they're in the executive suite, not someone who writes a column once a week.
@@rabbit_scribe No it's very possible. Based on what Vogue paid her (about $2000-$2500 a month), we can extrapolate that the New York Star was probably paying her about $8000 a month (assuming her column ran weekly), and that's not unheard of for a popular column in a major newspaper 25 years ago. So she had a pretty good income, and she was spending hardly any of it on things that weren't clothes, cigarettes, and eating out. Heck, sometimes when she was eating out, it was on a date that I'm sure she wasn't paying for. So with no savings and very little other expenditures, I can see her being able to "afford" that lifestyle, especially with the help of credit card debt.
agreed. I’m a millennial and both I and so many of my friends are financially irresponsible. I’m currently in the process of learning how to manage my finances properly. consumerism was really pushed on millennials hard!
Objectively Charolette selling her ring was a terrible choice, but it does fit thematically with each of the girls have a part in Carrie's engagement to Aiden (in reality, to her friends.) Miranda picked out the ring she hated, Samantha picked out the ring she never wore, and Charlotte sold her own ring to give Carrie a home. In their own way they all sort of proposed to her.
This is such a cool analysis!
Interesting
sometimes I do think our friends' advice on our own relationships should be taken with a grain of salt... they may tell you to go on with a person cause they're nice, treat you well, etc, i.e. 'on paper' arguments, when you voice your concerns about the relationship not feeling right on a gut level (so, argument that's subjective to you), so yes the girl's opinions may have influenced Carrie to stay with him for longer that she would have otherwise
Ohhh yes, very clever observation!
good analogy! And she didn't commit to any either.
Steve is now making “women don’t want nice guys” podcasts 😅😅😅
It took me a moment to realise. 😂😂
hahaha so true
LMAO TRU😂
But he'd moved on to Debbie before getting back with Miranda... or are you referring to And Just Like Ass?
I also always liked Trey. Giving her that whole apartment in the divorce was SO nice.
I feel like it was bad communication, mismatched goals, but genuinely loved each other.
Carrie expecting the down-payment money from her friends was so ludicrous!
Back in the day this would not have been strange. I’ve helped my friends using my money many times in my life. It’s crazy to you because your generation only cares about themselves. So greedy.
@@katemiller7874 ohhhh interesting. I didn't realize that was a generational thing. I think Millennials and Gen Z are used to being broke though. 🤷♀️
@@katemiller7874 okay boomer
@@katemiller7874 No, our generation is broke. Also, it depends on how much money. Carrie needed a lot of money and it was her own fault
@@katemiller7874I think it's greedy to expect your friends to pay for your house because you were irresponsible with your money 🤷♀️
♥️ Loved this. Carrie dressing up to the nines, to go to Big’s office to ask him for advice! Regarding her apartment (and informing Big of her lack of funds) has always reminded me of broke Scarlett O’hara visiting Rhett in prison in Gone With The Wind.
Exactly. And same as Scarlett, it's to secure her home.
I came here to say exactly this! Love this scene in the book!
Always gave me Scarlett vibes too (I think it was the gloves especially)! 😆💰
With regards to Steve and the suit....why was it either the mustardnsuit, or the designer custom made suit?
There IS a happy medium. It's called Macy's where regular men buy regular, affordable, suits every single day. I doubt the whole thing would have even beem an issue if they just went to a regular store.
And you're telling me in New York there's no place to rent a suit for a night? Like really? There were so many other options they could have taken into consideration but nooooo Steve has to feel bad about himself and resent Miranda and make her feel bad. I hate Steve 😂
I think the thing is, in that kind of setting, people notice suits. Very high end lawyers know suits. I think a rental was the right way to go. I never understood needing to buy a 2k suit for a new beau. Like ill pay for your suit rental lol. But ive only known you two weeks
a man is not a plan...except in SATC
This is epic and delightful and I could not be more pleased that we are still talking about this show 24 years later.
It’s also shows how craaaazy fast the cultural shifts were in such a short time 😯
Aiden wasn’t a simp - I hate that language, which is usually used by men to shame other men. Aiden deserved better than how Carrie treated him.
I 99.99% agree with you . . . but Aiden is that .01%.
But that’s exactly why he actually was a simp. Because he deserved so much better and still allowed Carrie back into his life to hurt him again and again. Aiden was as down bad as can be.
tbh the way she framed his behavior in this episode got me to see him in a different light. he’s always been my favorite of carrie’s boyfriends 😢
Whatever he was obviously does not justify how terrible person Carrie was. I find pathetic to call him a simp, he was someone who values woman’s word and trusts what she says. He could have been an amazing husband to a woman with values and self respect.
He needed to work on his self worth
The thing I hated the most was one line by Mirands saying she worked (I believe 12) hour days. If that were true, she would never see them, ever. Her coworkers would be the only people in her circle
Well they have breakfast on Saturday morning.... They see each other at lunch time so I guess she can take a 1 hour lunch, when they go to evening events is probably on Friday or Saturday eve.... And she only have 3 friends. I can see it.
Welcome to Big law. It is very common that people have to work insane hours when they want to make partner.
If one works 6-6, what's to stop you from going out @8pm for dinner?
Being too tired and needing to sleep by 10pm so you can wake up at 5am and start work at 6am (still short 1hr of the healthy amount of sleep too).
a plot hole necessary if you want a group of 4 friends that have such different careers and personalities but yeah all those brunches and lunches wouldn't have been possible in real life !
Suit shenanigans aside, I can't believe Miranda stayed with Steve after the skid marks incident. So damn gross! And she kept doing his laundry! Women settling for men who won't even wipe their asses properly is just so tragic. Even in this day and age, being single is seen as a fate worse than death for women. Every time I read a cursed post on reddit about gross men and their skid marks I think about Steve lmao
This‼️
The fact that she ever did his laundry ever blew my mind. I'm married and I've never done a man's laundry, EVER. Grow the fuck up, boys.
if Berger has no haters it means i’m dead
Maybe I'm just clueless and this is a common "internet comment" phrase (replace "Berger" and "haters" with whatever works in context) but this made me laugh more than I expected
Every time I see the actor in other things, I yell "Berger!!!!"
@@msdouglas12100me too! It’s always something so different too, like a scary film and I go on a tangent about the post it! 😂
@@msdouglas12100 I call him Nixon Berger (from Band of Brothers).
Undead of the internet unite!
The actor will forever be 'the guy, that broke up with Carrie on a post-it' for me 😅
“…and God Forbid the new series…” had me wheezing 😂
Charlotte pawning her ring still pisses me off…the audacity.
I can’t believe a Tiffany ring can be worth 40k on resale
I remember watching that when I was a teenager thinking it was sweet, but now I think wtf !? Charlotte should have stuck with her boundaries.
Annoyingly Carrie didn't even ask Big for the money, she asked him to tell her what he knows about money 🤦 Making it seem like... She was going to use the info to find 50K in a few days... But she obviously wanted the money from him. She's ridiculous.
Hard disagree on trey. He did not treat Charlotte well during their marriage at all but he did do right by her during their divorce
But Trey’s mom. Boy mom vibes there. Also, the wasp dynamic is that people are furniture.
Agreed
I don't necessarily think that Trey didn't treat Charlotte well. It just turned out that they weren't on the same page as far as having children. And he was a momma's boy, and his mother was insufferable.
iirc, the party at Mirandas law firm was to celebrate her making partner. Which makes what Steve did even worse in my opinion!
Exactly-Steve never showed up for Miranda while constantly complaining she’s never showing up for him 🤨
BISH BYE
I know I felt awful for her.
This show legit makes me mad; I had no business watching it as young as I was and it wrecked my perception of love, friendship, and money.
Well, at least you didn't watch 80s soaps when you were 13 🫤
Me too!!!
Well money wise I think they all had their ducks in a row except of Carrie. Both Sam and Miranda were very successful. Charlotte was doing great too and came from money.
But the love part I agree, tho there were some def good relationships portrayed (Sam and smith, aiden wasn’t perfect but was a good man, char & harry, it wasn’t all bad)
It was extremely unhealthy in every area of life.
Proud woman here, I loathed the show while in their age group. Graduated college with "Charlotte"
Sensory Ick about Rings should honestly be talked about more.
I have one with bracelets/watches
I hate wearing anything on my hands and wrists, be it rings, bracelets even nail polish. We use our hands for everything, why make it more uncomfortable?
@@LRB9498 Same, I love wearing rings but I had to stop wearing my watch cause it just feels wrong!
I honestly thought I was the only one! I feel seen now 😂!
I have sensory ick for anything other than earrings.
How about the time Carrie spent almost definitely over $1000 for a new outfit for an event because Big's wife was going to be there, and she needed to impress her? And then Natasha ended up NOT EVEN GOING? That was not the best financial choice...
Also side note, when Miranda and Samantha offer Carrie the money, she goes "No, I can't take your money." But shortly after comes to confront Charlotte. (I figure she was stressed about the situation and chose to take it out on her friend.)
That's exactly what was happening when she confronted Charlotte. She didn't actually want money from any of them. But she did notice when Charlotte very pointedly didn't offer, and I'm sure that did sting a little in the moment after Miranda and Samantha had just blithely offered. But she and Charlotte both knew she wasn't really mad about that. She was just making a mountain out of a molehill because she was stressed and in the mood to pick a fight. The fight fizzled out pretty immediately when Charlotte stood up to her.
She did say it was irrational and she knew who to irrationally who to take it out on.
As much as I loved Sex and the City as a show, I ABSOLUTELY HATED CARRIE's CHARACTER! Your point #5 about her asking Charlotte to pawn her engagement ring is BEYOND ME because of the entitlement. Or how she refuses to move out of NYC because "she is a NYC girl". The fact that she is the protagonist of the show and somehow "made it" by scoring a top-selling book, and scoring a top-notch Daddy (Big, so rich and handsome), is the kind of FALSE REALITY that influenced alot of the bad spending and entitled culture that we are seeing here, especially in women. I just HAD to vent because FINALLY, a video that calls out all the BS lol
She never "asked" Charlotte to pawn her ring. Charlotte INSISTED on giving it to her to help her friend and let go of what the ring meant.
@@SuperBrianMak She went to pick a fight with Charlotte because she was in debt and Charlotte was fine and Miranda and Sam offered to pay for her house and Char didn't. The whole "let do of what the ring meant" is such bs. That's not why she went to her house. When she got there, the first thing she asks is why Charlotte didn't offer her the money.
Miranda is indeed a super tragic, but unfortunately realistic character. Women who earn law partner salaries had very narrow and not great choices in dating
Great video. On the issue of Charlotte quitting her job, I always got the impression that she came from family money, so I never thought she was going to suffer financially by not working.
"Honey, sprinkle sprinkle" hahahhahaha I love you Chelsea
I, too, am a bit of a SATC historian. Seen this show SO many times. Well said, Chelsea.
One of my friends literally did the same thing as charlotte. Quit her job immediately after getting married. Got pregnant two months after the wedding. Has only known the man for 8 months 😭😭
One of my friends did it too. They divorced less than a year later without children thank goodness.
The fake Fendi bag issue is one of my favorites of Samantha 😂
I thought it was a Burkin (or however it is spelled)
Nah they end up at the Playboy Mansion where Samantha accused one of Hef's girlfriend's of stealing her fake Fendi. Only the girlfriend's is real.
@@yummysushipyjamas The Birkin incident was when she was representing Lucy Liu as a client. She wanted a Birkin bag but couldn't get one, so she pretended to be buying it for Lucy Liu so she could weasel her way up the wait list. Lucy fired her when she found out about it.
I loved the show when it came out. Psh, don't tell anyone, but I have a confession. I never related to any of these ladies. Not even today. I know, I know gash!!! True, be told as a native NYer, none of their lives seem real to me. Not in the least. During the shows run, I knew people of various incomes and who lived in the city. The show was pure mindless entertainment.
truth!!
I know right? Not everything has to be realistic sheesh
Girl I was cracking up the whole time 😂 You funny as hell. I recently rewatched the series for the umpteenth time and something that stood out to me was why Carrie didn’t have a part time job BEFORE she was forced to buy her apartment. Homegirl clearly wasn’t making enough. Any sane adult would’ve got a side gig to offset all that credit card debt!
She had the long term side gig 'big guy' 😂😂
@@bandana_rathore I’m dead but no fr 🤣
@@bandana_rathore That’s exactly why she should’ve cashed his check for the down payment. He owed her for his part of their foolery.
@@reaf2565 I am sure if she would have deposited the check she would have first gone to buy new things and be crying again for not having enough money.
Carrie had absolutely no ambition for anything other than being out on the town. In the episode where she's having her book party she says something about how she's celebrating that she "finally" found a publisher for her book. Girl, found? They came to you, it didn't even enter your mind to compile your columns into a book. She didn't even consider additional freelancing until she was in dire straits.
I never understood why Carrie was so upset that Charlotte didn't offer her money for her down payment. Like, you already had TWO other friends offer the money and YOU TURNED THEM DOWN. But now you're upset that your third friend didn't also offer you the money?! Like...what? Make it make sense Carrie!
and then she took Charlottes ring anyway, SMH! UGH.
I always interpreted it as she respected bigs money more than she respected charlottes.
Charlotte was a millionaire after her divorce, and she won a penthouse apartment in a settlement. She had no financial worries what-so-ever (because of her relationship with a man, mind you), so Carrie, in the midst of losing her apartment after losing her fiancé, was in a vulnerable state, questioning her self worth and who's really there for her. Three working friends offered, while her newly-rich friend in her newly-awarded penthouse did not. It was more so about the gesture.
from one childfree queen to another - thank you for the mention
Berger is most definitely the worst dude on the show
Super awkward and insecure but she threw herself at him initially
@@salmaokavor5610 He broke up with her with a post-it note!
burger was bad, but the worst dude on the show was the guy in season one that filmed women without their consent, and carrie was just fine with it lol. forgot about him until i rewatched the series and was horrified 😳
No, there were worse. He was maybe the worst one that attained official boyfriend status though.
Also scary passive aggressive and abusive! The scary motorcycle ride with Carrie Who doesn't even know how to ride properly was super Dangerous!!!! 😮 That legit pissed me off SO bad!!! 😤😠😡🤬
MAKE THIS A SERIES PLEASE! Meaning money and financial decisions in tv series.
Do "Friends" next!
One of the biggest things people complain about with friends is that there's no way Monica and Rachel could afford that apartment..... Except this is addressed in one of the first episodes, that they were illegally subletting it from one of Monica's relatives who had rent control on the apartment.
@@JessMN1974 yup, I remember that. And Phoebe loved with her grandma, so that is probably how she was able to make rent.
Yes but it never addressed how Joey and Chandler could afford that area
@@alexwelsh4336 Chandler's job supposedly paid well. He was some kind of data analyst. When he and Monica are getting married and he shows her what kind of money he has saved she is stunned and Phoebe was like, "For that kind of money, I'll marry you!" Chandler supported Joey early in his career and when Joey finally found steady work again Chandler was probably saving all that money he was spending on Joey
okay. I hope you tipped your hairstylist, because that hair is the star of the show today.
that hair is success!!!
this video fed me more than a magazine ever could
#1 is why you don’t combine finances with someone before you’re married. Ever. At all.
Carrie was a heavy smoker, so I think she was spending pretty money on her addiction. Smoking is not a cheap one.
Especially not in NYC! The current city and state taxes are almost $7 per pack now.
Charlotte is NEVER getting that money back. 💸💸💸
Of course they never mentioned it again after that episode. 🙄
I didn't understand the part when after Carrie & Aiden broke up, Carrie seemed shocked opening up those legal papers over the apartment-like what did she think was going to happen? Like did she think Aiden was just going to walk away from the money he put into the apartment(s)?
I didn’t hate Trey either. I thought he was a decent guy just all wrong for Charlotte. I think he gave her the apartment because he knew when they got married she wanted children very much, and he was the one who changed his mind (I’m Childfree too, so I don’t blame him).
In my head I think Trey finally did meet a compatible Childfree Dr after Bunny died.
I like to think that Big's check register was perpetually unbalanced by $50k because Carrie never told him she tore up the check 😂
I am still floored at Samantha paying $6000 or something for her monthly rent 🤯 but all the power to her!
$7000 and it was literally a studio apartment.
“Carrie, sounds like it’s time for someone to move to New Jersey.” 🤣
I am 40.
I watched SATC in my late teens and early 20s, it was so daring and eye opening! I thought it was amazing.
And now, 20 years later, I realize how wrong it is
I’m 58 and the same age as the characters but I never really related to the characters, they are American and I’m British. Some parts were groundbreaking for sure, like the masturbation toys featured. But a lot bothered me, Charlotte rejecting the pastry chef, Carrie’s smoking and not giving up on Big immediately and rejecting the gorgeous bisexual guy and breaking into the box in a lover’s apartment. The whole shoe episode and Miranda “settling” for Steve. The women’s weirdness around uncircumcised men.
@@gingerfellah5665 Oh my gosh, that adorable man with the Tweety Bird tattoo. I was always angry with Carrie that she messed that one up.
Carrie had the audacity to ask Charolette to sell her ring, but couldn’t possibly think of selling her designer wardrobe?? I could never.
I found it perfectly reasonable for Miranda to pay for the suit. It’s not something Steve had needed in his life, but it was something that was important to Miranda. He could not afford the suit either. The question is, though, did it have to be an expensive custom suit. Can’t he just get one from JC Penny?
I just binged the series again and YES TO ALL OF THIS! Not just the financial stuff but the commentary on Steve, Berger, Big, Aiden, and Smith.
Smith was a King and Trey really was a great guy who got married too fast to a girl who he had one major incompatibility with that was a mutual dealbreaker. The rest of the guys in the show make very weird decisions in regards to both money and relationships.
Trey also had the financial stability to make a terrible decision and not be wrecked by it. So he didn’t even really suffer from his poor decision.
@@elenakalliste Absolutely. His family wealth was an incredible buffer plus he had a really good job.
Oh no no no. Harry was a total sweetheart.
@@stephanieauker1106 Ok Yes Harry is a total sweetheart but I would also argue his pursuing Charlotte was a very weird decision and while they ultimately ended up as a good fit in the show his behavior while acting as her divorce lawyer was at times unprofessional.
I truly believe that Berger didn't feel insecure because "a woman "was earning more than him or being more successfull than him but he felt insecure because Carrie was his peer. Imagine seeing your partner, who's literally doing the same job as you, receive the accolades, money and validation that's you've always been dreaming of. It would be extremely hard to handle, especially if you're the artistic/creative field. I'm a proud Berger apologist, there, I've said it
So true. The writers did a great job with the Berger character. His meltdown at the end of their relationship was built up slowly over time, and his bad behavior is rooted in very relatable human foibles.
I keep my wedding ring in my jewelry trunk because it belonged to his deceased mother and that's sacred to me. She "comes with us" for anniversary and birthday events only (My choice; she seemed SO COOL and I never got to meet her. I love honoring her in that little way). Plus, I brag about him/us so much that I leave noooo question as to my marital status. 🤘
Buying the chair from the guy that made her quit smoking would have paid for itself in 3-6 months… it could have also been one of her smarter financial moves.
I love satc idc. It’s very entertaining. I don’t care that they’re living unrealistic lifestyles for what their salaries probably would have been, or that Carrie is problematic, or about any of the other usual criticisms of the show. It’s relatable to this day.
The argument with Charlotte always drives me crazy. And how Carrie claims she wouldn’t even have taken it, but days later she does take Charlotte’s money, promising to pay her back, but it’s never mentioned again. I guess the writers had to drop the storyline b/c otherwise Charlotte would’ve spent the rest of the series getting annoyed at Carrie for continuing to live beyond her means while she owes Charlotte $30k.
Also it always stuck with me when Carrie asks who has $30k and Miranda says she has half that. Miranda is a successful lawyer & only has $15k in savings? That seems low even for the 90s.
I think miranda was too smart to say how much she actually had ;)
I always assumed that the $15k was the amount of disposable income Miranda was willing to loan to Carrie. I’m sure Miranda had more but she wasn’t going to put herself or her baby in a dangerous position just to help Carrie (as much as she loved her).
@@Natalie_11188 I assumed it was how much she had in liquid cash that she was willing to part with (likely having much more), and that she has the bulk of her assets in investments, 401Ks and such.
@@vbrown6445yup I agree.
Wow I always liked Steve and while I did feel the dog thing and the suit issues were stupid and he should’ve listened to his very logical girlfriend, I didn’t really realize how broke behavior that was. Lol! And I loved when charlotte told Carrie it wasn’t her job to fix her finances and was a little upset when she gave her the ring.
I like Steve as well and don't really agree with Chelsea's reading on him at all here, but to each their own. I think both he and Miranda's character development throughout the series was very well done. It felt like they both forced each other to change for the better.
I never saw this either!
I'm a man born in 1992 and have never seen a single episode of the show, but am watching this just for Chelsea. I've learned so much about the show just from this channel lol.
Im also a SATC historian, and I've ALWAYS been concerned about Carries' finances 😂
I love that we’re discussing finance through SATC because you have your analysis cut out for you.
How about when Baryshnikov (I forget the name of the character) offers to keep paying the rent on her New York apartment so she’ll move to Paris with him? At least sublet it or something!
I was looking for this. Petrovsky may have been filthy rich but come on dude, paying for her apartment and she hadn't agreed yet?
Ooooh…. I think you changed my perspective on Steve. Miranda, however is my favorite and I will never get over what they’ve done to her in AJLT
I always hated steve. Miranda really should have realized she was too good for him and needed tokeep it pushing. And he clearly felt that way, so he shoulda just left her the hell alone so she could find her match. But i suppose he couldnt resist the housing she provided with her big girl job.
Seriously?
Steve was great and so loving; she didn’t deserve him
#1 Aidan buying Carrie's apartment
#2 Charlotte quitting her job
#3 Carrie buying Vogue instead of dinner
#4 Steve and the suit
#5 Carrie bullying Charlotte for her ring
#6 Miranda and Samantha offer the money
#7 Berger and the Prada shirt
#8 Samantha's insider trading
#9 Carrie buying a $3,800 chair
#10 Big cutting Carrie a check
The Carrie Charlotte - gate was sooo triggering to me. The gall of Carrie demanding $$ and mocking Charlotte wealthy status, too bad for you Carrie!
Omg, thank you! This length of video is much better suited to the TH-cam format. I’ll not watch the epic feature film-length video essays, but I’ll definitely tune in if you keep producing these interesting videos of reasonable length.
I forgot about the insider trading Samantha participated in! I think Samantha screwing and later dating Richard was pretty bad. He was her boss! What if he got bitter after she dumped him and decided to attempt sabotaging her firm? Or even when she threw a party at his Hamptons house after they broke up. Like girl what? Now you gotta fix the window you broke after his groupies pissed you off. 😄
Agree. People put Samantha on a pedestal. And although she does behave less judgmental, she behaves unhinged with men and has put a man over her own friends on more than one occasion. I think of Carrie trying to make a toast while they were in Atlantic City and Sam just gets up mid toast to chase after Richard.
@@reynaolvera7526 All because she knew he was gonna cheat on her again.
I’ve always felt crazy for hating Steve because the fandom seems to love him, but he was a loser trying to bring Miranda down to his level
“Honey at that point sprinkle sprinkle”! I giggled in SheraSeven 😂👌🏾
I howled when you said “honey, at that point sprinkle sprinkle” 🤣🤣. Sprinkle lady is… just… wow. 🤣. Enjoyed this video, I never watched the show but it’s still fun for me to watch.
I assume carries cost of living was actually low. She lived in the same apartment for over a decade before the show began and they had rent control her rent could have been less than $500 a month. She had money to throw around and buy shoes plus she was young and didnt think about tomorrow. Until that all caught up to her. Very relatable. She didnt think about the future without thinking about likely getting married, having more security, so she was just living for the moment.
“Perpetual Simp” 😂
The problem with Trey was he wasn’t really honest prior to them getting married about wanting to be child free or even not really wanting to get married.. he just felt that was what he should be doing to fit into this perfect box that his family emulates and unfortunately dragged charlotte through it knowing that’s exactly what she wanted. Don’t think he was bad for wanting to be alone but he should’ve communicated that and Charlotte shouldn’t have had blinders on and rushed to get married
I think if the infertility hadn't come up, Trey would have just gone along with having a baby because that's what he's supposed to do in his society. In a way, the infertility issue was the best thing for him, because it forced him to finally be honest with Charlotte and himself.
Not the turquoise jewelry 😅😅😅
I’ve never heard that take on the Steve character and it’s honestly spot on! I think we were all blinded by the likability of the actor who plays him.
How could I missed the fact it’s on Netflix?!?! Thanks a ton!
Rewatching the series now that I'm older is such a different experience! I used to be head over heels for Steve, but now I am SMITH alll the wayyyyyyyyy!
Thank you for calling Steve out, I hate him to the core.
He’s a hobosexual.
Thank you for this video! One of the things that irks me the most about the show is the unrealistic money aspect. Steve as a full-time bartender cannot afford a suit, but Carrie who writes a small weekly column in a not so popular newspaper can afford couture and designer items?
I know Carrie lived in a rent-controlled apartment, but Steve lived in a shit hole that probably didn't cost much either.
Carrie should have never ever have been able to afford her luxurious lifestyle! Even after her book is published! It's soooo unrealistic!
As a broke boy myself, I feel like the most insane thing is the going out every night to clubs, ordering cabs, literally NEVER cooking (i rarely buy frozen premade meals, alone ordering takeout, let ALONE having it delivered) and the constant buying of shoes. I dont have any savings rn (we'll get there lol) and im privileged in a lot of ways (parents who can bail me out if i need it) so i feel incredibly lucky and Carrie's spending is so baffling to me. I feel like so many people could spend her money more wisely than she did 😂
I have a slight different POV about Steve and the suit. I’m prefacing by saying that yes I may have a myopic view on this and assessing misogyny as a cisgender male. That said, I think the video tapped into a little but not enough of the CLASSISM that impacted Steve there. Like yes, they had a major income disparity, but there’s no rich man that Steve would have felt inclined to accept a suit from either.
I can give an example: we mentioned Aiden earlier that he bought Carrie’s apartment and we know from the series he’s a craftsman or furniturist or whatever the term is, and he clearly does well enough for himself that he can afford NYC cost of living AND afford buying that apartment. We also know from the series that there’s at least a hint that Steve and Aidan hang out and are friends (we don’t quite know how close, of course). Even if they became very close friends, I strongly contend Steve would never accept money or be gifted a suit from Aiden. And while I know there’s differences between friends and partners, I think classism gave Steve a chip from accepting any sort of gift or “handout” from anybody, even if it is clearly to his benefit, and PRIDEFUL to do anything desperate to do it all himself. And don’t get me wrong, DITCHING her and RETURNING it is absolutely disgraceful and definitely falls under wounded puppy ego BS. I just think HIS feelings about money played more or equal part in his actions as opposed to the fact it was Miranda buying it for him (and he certainly didn’t have a problem with her buying the house in Brooklyn to my knowledge, buy if he did in the episode im happy to stand corrected).
Now BERGER? ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND PERCENT AGREE!!!!
just my thoughts….
Steve did accept Aidan as a silent partner when he bought a bar after Steve and Miranda broke up. Miranda tried to convince Steve to buy a bar when they were together and he was having none of it
14:03 He was also in ‘Ugly Betty’ as that photographer who colludes with Jr. Meade to get Betty in a Photoshoot.
and, although Chelsea is ignoring the spin-off in this analysis, he is also the owner of the nightclub who gets involved with Seema.
I also don’t sleep in my wedding ring. I also don’t wear it when I am cooking or cleaning. I always wear it when I am leaving the house
Question, has anyone forgot that when Carrie met Big's first wife. She told Carrie that Big cheated on her with her best friend? HOW, just HOW, will any woman go for him after that? He has a record of doing that to someone that trusted him. Maybe Carrie was delulu and thought he wasn't going to do that to her?
The stolen shoes at the baby shower. I'm not sure I would have paid to replace them 😂
Why not? Kayla was legally liable for them
Never in a million years would I have guessed I would hear "sprinkle sprinkle" on TFD, lol
I think it's ridiculous for Charlotte to lecture Carrie about her unfortunate financial situation, she quit her job to prepare for motherhood when she wasn't even pregnant. Carrie was right to point out that Charlotte got everything from a divorce settlement, she's far from being independent and responsible herself. If Charlotte didn't have a competent lawyer and somewhat decent ex, she would be in a way worse situation than Carrie. Charlotte just got lucky, and had the audacity to lecture Carrie, who at least had a successful career.
But Charlotte had somewhat her back covered and she knew it: she had the prenup, she had married a very wealthy man, she seemed to come from "old money" or a very rich family. Charlotte could afford what she was doing, Carrie couldn' t
@@laurach.5550 yes, Charlotte could afford her lifestyle, Carrie could not.
Perfection. Thank you Chelsea!
That actor you mentioned is also Roman in Gossip Girl and then makes a completely unfitting cameo in And Just Like That as a sleazy guy one of the new characters dates… 😅
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Slightly finance-adjacent, but you know Samantha was not getting through the Me Too movement unscathed. I’ll bet she had to settle quite a few cases in civil court.
"at that point, sprinkle sprinkle" I screamed! 😂
The reasons I'm not completely dismissing Trey are because he did treat her well and because he's played by Kyle. He's just such a likeable person. The creators of SATC said they didn't intend for Trey to have a long-lasting presence, but Kyle was so loveable and fun, they decided to rewrite him and give him a more important role.