Gilmore Girls, Sex And The City, And The Cringeworthy Class Representation Of Television
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This week, Chelsea is joined by TH-camr (and former TFD contributor!) Princess Weekes to talk all about how television does (and mostly doesn't) represent money, poverty, and class differences.
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Malcom in the middle is probably one of the really few great representations of middle to working class (people love it in México because of how much it represents our reality)
Yeah, this was a really good one.
This is exactly my thought and one of my favorite shows for this reason!
I was thinking that also, The fact the boys all shared a room really reminds me of my childhood where I had to share a room with my 2 older sisters.
I think The Middle did a good job of it as well!
The strict mother who has to be super though with her sons to keep them from effing up (but can still only do so much) resounded with me so much xP
This was sooo fun to do! thank you for having me
So glad to see you on here! Two of my favorite channels! 🥰
You are amazing! I admire you so much🤩
yassss I have been obssessed with your content since before you changed your channel name lol I was so pumped to see this video pop up onto my feed! Also off topic but you look so pretty!!!! I really resonated about our power with boycotting it should be more discussed and we need to promote being more critical consumers
You're amazing!
Back when I was trying to start a life and career in Chicago, I was disappointed that it didn’t come with a vibrant friend group and nightlife like in television.
Omg this made me laugh but it’s so true. I thought a strong friend group came with being an adult - boy was I wrong
Yep, me too. I'm still salty about it.
I felt the same way in Manhattan!!!
Ugh, me too. 😬😅
That's exactly how I felt when I moved from the burbs to center city 😭
I'd love to see a sitcom about 20 or 30 somethings living with their parents
Try "Mike and Molly"! It is a love story but the families play a big part in it. Molly lives with her mother, sister and her mother's new boyfriend, while Mike's best friends still lives with his grandmother, who raised him. It is a very good sitcom until season 4.
The conversation about rich people being obsessed with poor people buying things reminds me of when I bought a house. A trustocrat who grew up around the block from me couldn't believe I bought a house. He even asked how I did it, and when I said that I had a veterans loan he thought that that was somehow unfair
Growing up, there were a lot of messages in kids show that “your parents only do xyz because they love and care about you” “your parents always know best” “you can have open and honest conversations with your parents and they will be understanding”, and that was just not the case for me… watching this made me feel more sad and disappointed about my childhood for a long time… I had to do a lot of reflecting and healing to move past this.
When she explained how poverty damages you in ways you cannot even comprehend, even if you escape is the biggest takeaway from this talk. That is the absolute biggest piece missing in so many of these conversations. Poverty is a mindset created by damage caused by dysfunction homes.
Or by marginalized ancestors who literally fought tooth and nail for education, jobs, food, and basic necessities.
Poverty is a mindset created by poverty. Plenty of functional families are poor, and their kids are still traumatized by the insecurities of poverty.
Amy Sherman-Palladino based her idea of Connecticut and "Gilmore Girls" on her stay at a *luxury hotel*, the Mayflower Inn and Spa. That informed the show both directly and indirectly - it's a total fantasy.
In the first episode or two, someone tells Chad Michael Murray, "go back to Hartford, city boy!" That would never happen, at the time, Hartford was the second poorest city in America. It was immediately apparent that the whole show was a Hollywood fantasy version of small town New England.
Part of the problem of Emily Gilmore is the beautiful acting by Kelly bishop. The flashback episode where you see her heart breaking when lorelei ran away, gets me every time. She is rich and out of touch, but she does love her family.
I don't think it's a problem, really. She's a villain, but a sympathetic one, which makes her a compelling character we love to hate. Kelly Bishop's incredible acting really seals the deal, but despite the many, _many_, other problems with Gilmore Girls, I always thought the writing of Emily Gilmore was fantastic.
She's rich and out of touch, but also loves her family like you say, but she's also emotionally really incapable, so she tries to manipulative with money and control using very strict social rules to try and keep her daughter close. Which, of course, loses her. Quite tragic really.
... but nvm because Rory's a spoilt brat who loves Grandma's money 🙃🙄😅
@Emma I agree. But you can have love for your family, and want the right things for them. But also do it all wrong because manipulation is all you know. I kind of wish the show would have actually explored the similarities between rory and Emily. In the end, no matter what lorelei did, rory still ended up in the D.A.R., doing cotiliion and all that stuff.
After watching The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel for a couple of seasons I realized the Palladinos are fascinated by rich people and interested in class as a plot set up but not in a class critique of any kind. So Lorelei’s escape from her upper crust life is a launchpad for the shows representation of mother daughter relationships, but there’s no actual interrogation of that level of privilege, which is why the show rarely seems to explore the irony of or problematize Rory walking right into it. But yes as a character and performance Emily was fantastic. Even when she was terrible it was hard to dislike her as much as you wanted to.
Rosanne was so unique and spot on in my youth. That was what our life was like. I loved how from time to time someone sort of financial disaster would befall the family. That was so real.
Yes. My life then
Rosanne and, oddly enough, Married with Children. Besides the lack of wealth, their disposition felt more "real" in a way; they were not that nice to each other, parents were exasperated, sarcastic, not moral pillars, they could be crappy to their kids in a way that was not always funny or endearing, their houses were kinda outdated and hodgepodge compared to other shows, and the kids were not always learning some edifying life lesson in the end. Along with class privilege there is a certain less talked about privilege of well-adjusted adults who love you unconditionally and whose number one goal is to make you feel safe and special. Lack of this was rarely portrayed in mainstream TV, even if the sitcom was meant to portray an unconventional family.
I was still living in Japan with only 2 months worth of visits to the States when I saw episodes of it. It was kind of shocking to me how seemingly rude and inappropriate their dialogues were.
Well, I have been living in the States for 30 yrs now, and although I haven’t been subjected to most of the situations, I have found the show amusing and understandable now.
Gonna start explaining my upbringing as being the Rosanne family in the Gilmore Girls universe. Like my town was just like gilmore girls and I had those interests in education but my reality was Rosanne. Even down to the yea there's a house that's plenty nice but we're like occasionally on food stamps cleaning out our small savings and about to be homeless in a week.
I saw this yesterday for the 1st time, and came back today to comment that the french president just said "those on minimum wage would rather spend it on VOD than on a healthy nutrition" and it just annoyed me SO MUCH and reminded me of what you said about how we judge the poor so much more and more harshly than the rich! Gladfully a few people in the comments of the news post showing this commented relevant clap backs such as "the ultra rich would rather cumulate 51% of national ressources than help save the planet and the general population of the country" and "try living on Paris' outskirts and comming in every day for a mininum wage paying job and see if you dont need any distractions" and my favourite one yet: "oh right dont forget the 'good poor' only eat fiber while staring at a wall" ... I just really needed to rant lmao thx 4 reading to anyone who does
I remember telling my mom I needed a “whole new wardrobe” for the new school year (I know I picked that up from TV, maybe it was Full House or something.) Boy, did she have a good laugh at that one! Such a great topic and conversation.
I love that you talked about how we have to aspire to go to these ivy league schools and how they mainly just put us in debt. I went to a community college and then worked at that college for many years. The amount of shame I felt in high school saying that I was going to community college as opposed to a university kills me to think about today. I'm almost done with my masters degree with no debt because I went to a community college and paid significantly less for my first 2 years of generals.
I tell every high schooler I meet that wants to go to college to do a transfer program at a community college first. It will save them money and honestly, the experience has been so much better for me than if I went right to a 4 year.
Same. I took an intro to HTML program at a community college and learned the skill I needed to get a new job. Later on, I went back to my alma mater for a new master's degree program; the experience was completely opposite. Too much theory and textbook work.
I would just add that as a lawyer my ONLY path to the Federal Bench above the district court IS through the Ivy League. The entire Supreme Court, 9 justices, went to two law schools. Getting into those schools it really, really helps to be Ivy League undergraduate. I thought about going into academics, but the rule there is you can ONLY teach one school down. Want to teach at Chicago? Go to Yale. Want to go to the Rank 20 school? Better go to a top 10 school.
So the system is broken in that respect too. My friends are engineers many with Ph.Ds. wjere they went to undergrad absolutely affected which grad schools they could get into /whether they could get full ride grad school (with a TA job). Same with liberal arts.
And to get into the best colleges, either you need to be a (white) legacy or go to select schools for 90% of the students. And getting into the best schools takes money or getting into competitive high schools. So you better have excelled in elementary school. Which takes luxury time and/or money (plus all of this is a TON of luck, but weighted dice matter.)
@@doomedwit1010 I only agree with the federal bench the rest of it is more repeated tripe. There IS some under lying aspects but its not an absolute truth as you present it.
@@MicheleHerrmann That’s what college is. Connecting to the ideas that underpin everything. Professional people don’t get to opt out of that.
@@MicheleHerrmann I feel so similar! I waited a long time to go back for my master's, and how they vehemently stick to theory and pedantics vs how the field practically world when you're in it... Stark!
I didn't even grow up working class by any means but what we never did as a child was go on vacation, like "proper" vacation with flights, hotel stays etc... Every family vacation for me growing up was a roadtrip in a rented car to an extended family members home. We never stayed at resorts or anything like that. Nothing like the vacations I saw on TV.
Good point! I’d like for TFD to do a video on the finances of traveling and a lifestyle where traveling is common. It was the same for me growing up, road-trips to a relatives house where we slept on the pull out couch. I remember in my college philosophy class we were talking about necessary joys in life and everyone agreed travel was necessary except me. I couldn’t understand why they all thought that since I had never really traveled and I was fine haha.
Same. A vacation was the family piling into the car for a long hot miserable ride to a relative’s house for a week.
We went on vacations to either hotels or condos. It wasn't every year though. Some vacations were camping or visiting relatives. My dad was a teacher, so we were by no means wealthy.
We always traveled because my father was from England and otherwise we'd never see his family, so I was used to air travel at a young age. Or if my grandmother came here, we'd take her places she'd never been in the US, or Canada. But, because we didn't have much money, we'd pay for the trip and then come home to a fridge that didn't work or other home repairs that we couldn't afford. Our house was held together with duct tape and paper clips, but we went somewhere cool regularly! So I grew up loving travel and not liking home ownership. It was a shock to me when my boyfriend (now husband) was actually able to repair things correctly!
Maybe we should cover the aspect that most vacations AREN'T going to resorts. That's a rich dream in the media. Many of us piled into a car and slept on a cousin's pullout couch.
The early seasons of Supernatural (1-3) whether consciously or not explore poverty because Dean and Sam were homeless for most of their youth and the big difference is that Sam was able to get a full ride to Stanford.
Also, growing up in NYC I found that animated shows were much better about showing life in the city than the shows actually filmed here. Hey Arnold still holds up.
Beyond Malcolm, another good example is everybody hates Chris more recent The Middle both have working parents without a lot of money. Today an interesting show with working parents and multiple generations is Derry Girls, I like how they want to go on the school trip and a classmates says just use their trust fund and the girls do, the parents laugh at them.
Lol I love Derry Girls 😂
"You just go outside and run around" LMFAO truth!
Gilmore girls definitely ruined my relationship with money and food. They ate so much on that show and I thought I could do the same and have the same slim figure!!
Yes! They ate horribly and yet we're thin and had perfectly clear skin. They also belittled exercise. What the hell!
I've noticed this more! When I'm on a rewatch binge, my food and coffee choices take a turn for the worst.
SAME
Both the actresses Alexis and Lauren are actually heathy eaters in real life with paleo/organic diets. They spin and do pilates.
The point that female characters never talk really about money, that was a good point. Even in social media, where there are people who teach money management they are usually male. And if they are women it’s like girl boss be a content creator. Anyone know any good realistic financial teachers to look to?
Some years ago i've watched probably like hundreds of videos from a guy on channel called Beat the Bush. I've learned quite a lot of reasonable advices from him and liked his down to earth demeanor.
I've also read through most of one Polish blog about personal finances but that may not be suitable suggestion due to likely language differences.. So instead i'd suggest in general giving a chance to some finance blogs too. Which ones? I don't know but try dipping your toes and see what you've found.
Michael Hudson. Unless by realistic you mean not realistic.
It's Australian so some stuff won't apply if you're from the USA, but I've found "She's on the money" from Victoria Devine to be great. The very first episode of her podcast (and her book) she starts with how important it is to understand your personal money story.
There’s a few women connected to this channel that offer financial advice and videos. I can’t name the, but they sometimes include their info on the TFD newsletters
This is SUPER important. It really hit home what was said about depictions of childhood in the media and how that's so different from the average experience of kids in the US. I think it's important from the other end of the spectrum as well. I grew up upper middle class in Canada (and most of my friends were also either upper middle class or middle class, except for a couple), and that depiction of middle class life was true for Canada...it's how my friends and I grew up and I never knew that life was different for people with less money or for a majority of people south of the border. We went to day camp every summer (sub for school and daycare while our parents worked), usually focused on an activity (one year it was horseback riding, another year it was golf, another year it as dance. One year I went to an overnight camp (and a few of my friends went several years in a row). We always had clothes and food, our parents sometimes talked about bills (my parents a bit more because they wanted to teach me about finances so they let me in on the discussion more often as I got older, and they got me to make a budget when I was older and I had to stick to it, and they gave me a loan with interest when I was 16 to buy a guitar...I wasn't raised so normally though, which is a shame haha), but mostly the stress of it was left off the table for most of my friends. We went on summer vacations (sometimes camping, sometimes something bigger like Disneyland). We got nice things for Christmas and birthdays and got to have big parties with our friends (which back then was still pretty DIY, but our parents could still afford to buy hot dogs, cake, and decorations for 10 kids). Even my lower-middle class friends had a lot of that...maybe not the camps and as much clothes, but most of them went on at least one 'big' vacation during their childhood or teen years (one went to Disney, another went on a Caribbean cruise during spring break, etc). We went to university (government-funded ones in-province, because back then it only cost $2,000-3,000 per year thanks to a tuition freeze that existed until 2002, which is the year we started uni). While I think things have gotten harder for a lot of families in Canada, I see that most of my friends are able to give their kids fairly similar childhoods now (although most of my friends that I'm close with are better off than most people, and I think lower middle class people can no longer afford that kind of life).
I live in Germany now and it's also true for people here. My husband was raised by a single mother from 8 onwards...they always had what they needed (and unfortunately, they never talked about money like I did with my parents...it was still considered 'taboo' back then), he and each of his brothers went to England for a summer to do a 'language' camp, many of our friends did exchanges in the US or Canada during high school (something that costs a fair bit of money for a family), etc. From our experience now and seeing friends raise children, we're probably a bit better off than our parents.
Why I think it's important for the media to include accurate depictions of middle class life in the US (and more working class stories abroad, since the middle class depictions in the US are more in line with middle class life in other countries) is that we grew up having more or less no idea of how life was for other people. I knew that there were people worse off than us and my friends' families because our parents told us, but I had no idea how that looked like for them until I was an adult. My husband wasn't as well off as I was and his family considered themselves socialists, plus he's from the East and still remembers a bit of what life was like there ...which wasn't nearly as poor as people in the capitalist world think it was, but it was still very different in terms of what people bought and had and did...sometimes it was actually more (they went to camp every summer, courtesy of the state, and everyone went to daycare), sometimes it was less (people just had less 'stuff' and didn't have access to as much 'stuff'). So, he had a better idea of what life was like for different people than I did growing up. But still. You get an entire class of people with little to no awareness of what life is like for other people, or even what 'normal' is for a lot of people (in the US). And I think that deepens those divisions, because those people are going to grow up and not do anything to make life better for those people. When they become politicians and advisors to politicians, they're going to promote policies that do more for their own class, and their voters from that class will support those policies and reject a lot of the policies that help the working class (and even middle class in the US). Seeing (or reading) depictions of people who live different experiences from your own helps you empathize with them, so it's important that those stories are represented, ESPECIALLY if that's the experience of the average person in a country, but even if it's not.
Best episode ever. I remember being a teenager when Roseanne came out and thinking wow an actually family that looks like mine, where things are messy and there are fights about money and families actually have to make difficult choices about where to spend the money and their house, furniture, clothing and dinners actually resembled my life.
This was SO RELATABLE, especially the parts about not seeing lived experience reflected on TV. I also had a weird complex around going to camp. The closest I got was becoming "the help" by getting a job as a counselor and realizing I really did not fit in with all the rich-kid former campers, now-counselors. Those places are scary and weird from the inside. I appreciated the discussion on expectations around college and the social impact of being the person in your family who does.
My husband still won't watch Roseanne because the set for the living room was just too accurate.
The last time I saw something from a primary network about an average family that realistically struggled was The Middle, and it's been off the air for 5 years.
As someone from Orlando, thank you for bringing up The Florida Project. It truly is the most honest representation of childhood under the shadow of the mouse.
Damn, she made it to season four of True Blood.... Also, thank you for freaking understanding Cuties. Like that movie was extremely uncomfortable to watch for me because of how realistic the existence of the main character was for me. Like i always look back to when i was that age and how lucky I was that i managed to avoid that very real part of my environment.
The problem with Cuties is that they used real life children in those roles. Zooming in on crotches and butts of REAL LIFE CHILDREN. THAT is what the controversy was about, not the story itself. They could have used young adults, and that would have been fine. Instead they used literal actual CHILDREN. The story with fictional characters doesn't matter when real life actual literally human children were used.
The Connors being “poor” was hilarious and simultaneously a slap in the face. Poor with that house?! Bye😂
It depends on the area. You can get a big house in E. St. Louis for cheap, but I wouldn't recommend it
Early in the video still but I feel the bit about summer camp feeling like everyone else did it and I never could. I also felt this when we got the American girl catalog in the mail and just knowing to not even ask for anything from it
I remember once saying I'd marry the first man that would buy me the American Girl doll I never had as a child.
I always thought it was so creepy how I'd get the American Girl catalog addressed to me in the mail! Does American Girl keep track of birth records or something and just market to any AFAB child in their target demo? Gross.
“All the people I stan are either fictional or dead” loved that, related to that, I want that on a T-shirt. 💕
same
Excellent episode! One of the things that bothered (and continues to bother) me most in the Obama to post-Obama era of pop culture that Chelsea mentioned is the complete invisibility of household labor, with Modern Family as a prime offender. Back in the day, the Bradys had a live-in servant (which explained the immaculateness of a house with six children in it); this apparently is unthinkable to depict now, so we are left to assume that Cameron, Claire, and especially Gloria (or their spouses) clean and maintain the giant houses they all live in (on one income BTW, at least for the first several seasons). The show creators opted to pat themselves on the back for the "modern-ness" of one or two types of diversity while being egregiously class-deaf.
Excellent point!
Cam and Mitch are mostly a two income household, isn’t it?
There’s also this episode where Lily hires a cleaner to clean her own room because she’s so used to her parents having paid help for everything.
Your guests are always awesome and I love how you give them plenty of space but still stay engaged and follow up with great questions. This is one of my favorite, if not just my favorite, TFD format.
💗💗💗 So happy to see this episode! This was so wonderful 🥳 Thank you Princess, Chelsea, and TFC 🤓
I can't imagine being this well spoken off the cuff! Love these two
Such a great convo - you two play off each other so well. Loved this 💜
OMG PRINCESS! So excited to see her here! Put Princess on everything 🙌
Absolutely fantastic episode! Thanks for introducing me to Princess, she's brilliant!
Jess Mariano felt like the only real character on Gilmore Girls. He clearly came from a poor background and his "attitude" was a result of his abusive upbringing and financial circumstances, and becoming aware of the reality he lives in. It still upsets me the way he still got treated by everyone else even when he found a form of emotional and financial stability. I found it laughable that Lorelai tried to relate to him and boasted about ~doing it in heels~. Lady, you were spoon fed. Sit down 😂
I absolutely LOVE how you have had so many of my favorite TH-camrs on your channel! I’ve been a fan of Princess Weeks since discovering her on the PBS channel. Her storytelling analysis is incredible.
I hope someday you have the Truth Doctor and Cinema Therapy on your show
Emily the Criminal is a great independent movie that deals with class and the educational financial bind. 👏 Can't get enough of this kind of content!
Love Princess! Always love seeing her talk and really looking forward to this conversation!!
Great guest and conversation! Yes I hate when people say we shouldn't care because the companies are causing most the pollution. There is still alot we can do to minimize are impact and caring is what creates change. Thank you TFD for these videos keep up the treat work!
Thank you for this episode! I love having something thought provoking on playing while I do chores, etc. Today I was pre-chopping my vegetables for easy snacks and dinners so we eat out less.
I do think the representation of "middle class" is a bizarre in media, especially when so, so, so many people are living paycheque to paycheque and are seriously in debt. My aunt works at a law firm that deals with foreclosures and she always remarks on how you never would be able to tell from the outside. To me, it has always boiled down to wanting more and more and more. I swear, in a hyper-consumerist world, no one is winning.
Such an interesting conversation! And side note, you both look amazing. Chelsea girl, I don't know what you do but it's working, really glowing on this one!
Based on the sitcoms i saw growing up I thought everyone in America had a big house with a great kitchen. And on a single income too
I could have listened to you guys talk all day. It felt so genuine and comfortable while still being intriguing. 11/10 would watch a part 2, 3, 4…
Excellent épisode. Thanks for this discussion. I’ve just subscribed to Princess Weekes!
OMG 2 of my favorite creators!! So excited for this.
So deeply agree about the boycott comment. People act like they have no choice but to shop from Shein, or Amazon. No one wants to even try to build a better world / community / future.
Loved this! Also yes to Shaun’s video in Harry Potter! it was honestly what I needed to end my teenage love for the franchise. You should link it in the description bc I think a lot of people would really get a lot out of it! That video + the one titled “JK Rowling’s best friends”
So good to see these two together having a chat!
When I heard Princess’ voice after I saw the title, I nearly shouted “I NEED A GIMLET” I was so excited. Thank you both for a wonderful episode!
Gilmore Girls reference! Richard! I need a gimlet!!
Oh man I love both of your channels so I guess I shouldn't be surprised this is my favorite interview so far... this was fantastic thank you!
I am so excited you are interviewing Princess!
Princess Weekes sounds like such a fun guest. Also, I remember them from a recommendation video on BeKindRewind.
Hands down one of my favourite conversations had on this channel.
So happy to see you on here, Princess! 💖💖💖
Was so excited to see this. I’m a huge fan of Princess and her channel. The two of you together is a major win! 🙌 I also love this topic!!!
Patiently waiting for a Shameless video essay, please miss Weekes I'm so hungry
Great discussion ladies. Very much enjoyed this as it helped me get some inspiration for my own financial journey.
Chelsea, read the books... Harry thinks he would happily share all his money with the Weasleys but he knows they wouldn't accept it.
Yay collab! Love Princess Weekes and TFD
Excellent episode, thank you both very much!
Omg Princess and TFD. Never anticipated this collab but so overjoyed!
I am on the part about internships; I wanted to highlight there are colleges that require students to have co-ops in order to graduate. Typically those schools have more resources to help students find internships since it is required to finish and these are paid opportunities.
Co-ops are done during the quarter/semester while you aren’t taking classes. Because of this you will graduate in 5 years vs 4 years. You are not paying tuition during the co-ops unless you are choosing to take classes.
I went to Northeastern University so I can attest to this! However, some co-ops paid minimum wage (or less, think they got away with this because it was for "school credit") or were even unpaid, especially if you went for a non-profit or education co-op. Or if you were an English major like I was.
You don't have to pay tuition but in a lot of cases you're keeping your on-campus housing for that half of the year, which is ridiculously overpriced, or renting an expensive city apartment. So if you're not at a well-paying co-op, there can still be a financial burden that comes with taking these opportunities (and you need to interview for co-ops, so you're at an advantage if you had good high school internships, etc.). Having that much work experience after graduating college is truly valuable, but co-ops aren't a one-size-fits-all solution to the high cost of private school education and low-paying college internships.
Orrrrrrr we could make the system good. I would say "better" but that implies it's fine it just needs a tweak, as opposed to the radical change that is necessary.
That’s a good a point and I want to clarify that a coop is not a solution to a problem, just another opportunity to consider. I wanted to bring up it up in case some might be interested in finding out if their college/university offers it at all.
Yay, Princess Weekes! Love her videos!
Loved this-thank you for taking about the environment. This country is so miserably anti-doing anything that it’s depressing. We need to be strong and positive and motivated. ❤
omg yessss princesss!!! the recent guests have been amazing!
ugh these crossovers! :')
I LOOOOOOVE PRINCESS'S CHANNEL THANK YOU FOR THIS COLLAB
Media’s idea of things is my favourite topic. THIS should be such fun 👏🏽 #WeAreEatingToday
This was great. I'm excited to check out her channel!
Thanks for this video, would you make a list of the movies and series that you liked? It would be great to have some advice for stuff to watch.
omg. I used to watch her channel WAY back in the day. like YEARS. Still subscribed!
Loved the interview style and the "just two friends chatting" aspects of this video. A "Princess and Chelsea" series may need to be considered.
Ugh this is amazing, I love Princess I'm glad you had her back!
Princess Weekes and TFD, I know I will love this!
Omggggg 8 was wondering when will you do an interview with her!!!!! 💖
Re: Harry Potter, that's not true. In Book 4 Harry literally gave Fred and George 1000 gold coins from his winnings and he told them not to tell anyone where the money came from and to buy Ron more robes. And even in the first book, Harry buys and shares all his treats on the train with Ron. Also he's literally a child for most of the book, he's not sure how to share wealth.
But also, on top of him being overwhelmed by being a public figure, I think it’s not his duty to financially support a family of 9 or 7 if you take out the two eldest who were working. I would assume when he married into the family it was easier to give that kind of support, but to shame a child for not supporting whole ass adults is ridiculous (especially since he’d grown up abused and was forced to do physical labour to serve his relatives, he deserved to be taken care of and not continue to support adults while still a literal child)
He also said he would split it if he could, but Molly and Arthur would never accept it. And as a child, would he have been likely to have access to all of it? Chelsea and her guest are deliberately overlooking these things so they can shame a child who grew up in virtual poverty (his aunt and uncle having money means jack shit when he was living in a closet and living off of scraps and being abused and neglected, which they apparently see as being wealthy by association) for not using money he likely couldn't access to support the Weasleys. They're literally taking the position that it's the job of s child to financially support a family. Uh...that's financial parentification.
Love this! Keep being awesome!
This is a really great topic. Didnt Harry give the twins his winnings so they could open their shop?
Yes. Straight-up not true that Harry never gave them money. He had to threaten the twins into taking the prize, they were too proud to accept it. One of the first things he did after meeting Ron was treat him to a feast of sweets from the trolley.
Yup. He said he would have given the Weaselys half of his money, but they'd never accept (as a kid, it's not like he'd have had access to it all anyway). Someone else pointed out that it shouldn't be put on the shoulders of a child to support another family ($10 said that Chelsea and her guest would be against taking the trust fund of a real kid to support the family one one of their friends, yet that's what they're expecting of Harry). When Harry DID have money though, he was generous with it. Ron even started resenting Harry for having the means to do so. Chelsea and her guest obviously didn't read the books, or if they did, then they're choosing to ignore the many times when Harry was very giving with what he had.
Princess weekes!!! I cannot wait to watch this! I love her!
Excellent guest!!
I think we are in a time where we don’t want to see failure reflected in our media.
Like the 30’s where people were not just losing homes and jobs, but families were dispersed, seeing happy endings and gloriously lived lives was an escape.
Long gone today are shows like The Honeymooners (a perpetual failure of a bus driver and his garbage man neighbor. Or Sanford and Son or even westerns like the Rifleman (widowed modest rancher).
These shows thrived in strong financial good times of the 50’s and 60’s and 70’s.
Now everyone has a happy ending. Unless you are the murder victim on the myriad of procedurals. Maybe sad endings are so brutal because we live in brutal times. And for mo good reason.
I’m very much a silent follower, I watch everything but never comment, however this episode was SO good AND you are about to hit a million subs!!! Think this is my fav ep of TFD ever. Also, another show that was ruined by a reboot, The L Word. You should look into the show, all female cast (lots of straight women watch it as it’s all about women), & there is such representation of women, some of which are almost 60 y old & they are all super rich & sleeping together… kind of like a lesbian SATC… the original L Word anyway, idk what the reboot is doing.
Thanks so much & congrats on (almost) one million!
Someone is trying to pretend to be TFD, they even have the same profile pic
Yooo, in-person?! I'm even more excited
I lived in a similar manner to the Florida Project (in FL of course) for a while with one parent really struggling. --BUT-- Kennedy Space Center began a program to allow 5th grade classes across the county to attend Space Camp for free!! Growing up in poverty AND experiencing luxuries made Florida feel like an alternate reality.
Great content! 🙏🏻
1 Month ago I had never heard of Princess Weekes, and now in a 2 week period she has been on TFC AND LoadingReadyRun's PPR? Talk about worlds collide!
Is this a crossover era?!
Dude! 41:00 when the new sex and the city reboot came out, everyone was talking about how unrealistic it is but then people are watching SUCCESSION!
What a treat to see Princess Weekes!
I’m going to the point where I don’t really want or need relatability in my television. I really just want to escape and enjoy watching people that are unlike me. Yes I would like to relate to some of the stuff I see on TV, but it’s not that much of a thing for me. Reality is depressing if we’re going to be honest. I want to be entertained.
I was going to comment the same. I don't know if it's generational or what, but these movies and programs didn't affect me to this extent and I got in trouble for watching way too much TV.
I just want to be entertained. I am glad there's an outlet and reality check for these harmful impressions to heal though.
I think the point of the video though is that even if in our conscious minds we know it’s not realistic, the culture at large and social norms are still largely influenced by pop culture, so it’s relevant to ask our selves what ways these things are shaping the culture
@@clairbear1234 You're pretty young. Those of us who were kids with those shows were raised knowing they were not real life and weren't supposed to be real life. We even joked about it. Shows from before our time, like The Brady Bunch, was still in syndication, and we always laughed at the fake grass and how Jan and Greg were probably banging since Barry White and Florence Henderson actually were. We didn't look to TV shows meant to entertain for a place to find out real life situations depicted. We watched for an escape.
Ironically, it was realizing that I was watching other people do the things I wanted to do with my life--escaping my life and living vicariously through theirs--that got me to decide to ban cable from my home over decade ago. Freed up a whole lot of time. Even if I still couldn't just up and travel to Paris or other things I wouldn't afford to do, I could find some way to do something involving it, whether that was researching or seeking out free museums. We talk a lot about how time is a luxury while overlooking how much time is spend sitting on one's ass watching TV.
I just finished the 4th season of You and these were my thoughts exactly: depiction of extreme wealth on tv can be VERY cringy.
this is a fabulous conversation :)
YESSSS Chelsea & Princess Weekes ❤❤ what an episode 😍
I also moved back home in my mid-twenties after making some unwise money decisions. Managed to pay back all my debt and student loans after a number of years and also saved up enough to build my own little tiny home.
It was rough at times, only because the stigma that comes along with living at home with your parents at a certain age weighed heavily on my mind. Other than that, my parents were (and still are) very supportive and respected my privacy so I consider myself very lucky.
Many people do not have the privilege of being able to live with their parents. I think most of them would be willing to live with the stigma for the privilege of being able to do it.
@@thepragmaticspiritualist7074 very, very true.
@@thepragmaticspiritualist7074 The stigma kicks in when someone is seriously dating, and still living with parents. The reason makes sense--most people don't want to live with someone else's mom and dad, and if their significant other does, then what if they don't move out in the end?
My mother-in-law didn't find out until after marrying her current husband that he didn't actually intend to move out. Fast forward a whooping 20 years, and she's had him out for a few months at a time. She's now 72 and is the full-time unpaid caregiver for his aging parents. I've known others who've had similar things happening, but this one is personal.
And there's the concern that someone may be so close to their parents that they'll never end up willing to make a partner an equal priority. (My mother-in-law's husband makes even his sisters a priority over his wife.)
So I understand some of the stigma, though it still sucks. We anticipate our daughter possibly never being able to afford moving out, and we've talked about building a cottage on our property for her. Who the hell can get a place these days? We got in right before our area went fucking insane.
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria I guess I can see that but if you’re living with parents temporarily to get your finances in order that’s less of a stigma than if you’ve never left and have no plans to. The privilege is having the option at all. There was a time in my 20s when I was totally broke, couldn’t afford my apartment, had tons of debt and had just come out of a bad relationship. My only option was to rent a gross room in someone else’s house and claw my way back to some sense of financial stability. After a couple of years of just paying off debt, I was able to rent a decent apartment of my own and start saving for a down payment on a house and it took me another 15 years until I could buy a house because I was paying rent at the same time. So yes I can see how it would be a bummer and maybe a stigma to date when you live with parents but it’s still a privilege financially.
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Love your analysis om SATC, Rosanne and gilmore girls.
39:07 side note: Harry gave the Weasley twins all his earnings from the Triwizard tournament to start their joke shop, which seemed pretty successful. I'm not even sure what access he would have had to his own money as a minor, and maybe the Weasleys were too proud to ask for help.
It was actually written in one of the books that he would gladly have split his money with them but knew they'd never accept it.
Glad someone mentioned this. There are numerous instances where he either buys or tries to buy things for Ron. Furthermore the triwizard money gift had to be a secret because the Weasley parents were just too damn proud.
He had full access to his money. He could take out as much of it as he wanted any time.
Yeah I don't know I think he also didn't really want the winnings because he didn't feel like either earned them and that the money was somewhat tainted because it was earned at the cost of Cedric's death.
You'll notice he never gave any of his own personal money to his best friend or to Ron's parents. Whether they would have accepted that money is a whole other conversation but at least he could have offered it.
So the reason why he has to give the Triwizard money and secret is because the Weasley parents don't approve of the joke shop
@@l.o.r.s.k.y It's painfully clear that Chelsea and her guest are intentionally ignoring things that go against what they want to believe.
I know these shows aren’t realistic but it doesn’t stop me from trying to live a life like them. Lol
The show "firefly lane" gives a very good picture about abusive parents/parents in jail and how it affects childhood in a very deep way.
Great video. Ty.
Love her!
By the way … when are you interviewing Alyson Stoner? She bought a house last year… I want to know how is going! 😊
I went to community college (HVCC) for my first two years of undergraduate. I was able to attend an expensive private college (RPI) for my last rwo years of undergraduate for two reasons. The first was that my community college grades were good enough to get me a scholarship and I was able to commute (RPI was in the same city I grew up in). I didn't have to commute to get my master's degree (SUNY at Albany) either.
The only time I went away to school was when I worked on my my PhD in biochemistry at UConn. The result of this was that I was able to pay off my entire student loan balance in less than half a decade.