honestly, their kickstarter is a hot mess.....interesting product, but it feels like they are disingenuously utilizing direct marketing through kickstarter, instead of being a showcase for interesting innovation. It's another 200$ pen, way overpriced for basically a milled steel nib, and aluminum case. Just waiting for china to knockoff their own designs, and start mass producing them cheaply (just like they did with all the glass dip pens 8 years ago)
@@Mr371312 These pens looks about as long as a golf pencil. I probably couldn't use them for more than a word or two, in which case just reach for a ballpoint.
@@gorillaau you clearly don’t understand the purpose of a dip pen or fine fountain pen. It’s not for economy of writing genius especially with dip pens, glass or not.
Well Sir, I am a dip pen user from way back and relatively new to fountain pens. Now I did have a fountain pen way back in grade school in the 60's for a calligraphy class but I fond it clogging all the time and opted for the dip pens for ease of use and variety of strokes. I do not believe this pen is not for me, I do appreciate that you did all of the "leg work" and saved so many of us the hassle of trying this pen out and for those who are excited by it good for you! The only thing I found interesting was the puddle palette!
If I wanted to use a stiff dip nib that holds a lot of ink, I would just use an Esterbrook Dipless. Much cheaper, many more options of sizes and types of nib. This is really just a steel version of a glass nib: stiff and unyielding. I guess if you just want a fine nib with no line variation this would work, but see no real value in this for writers. Thanks for the review.
Again, what a wonderful review David. Fascinating project, with wonderful ideas. I do so hope that longer pens are offered, and if so, I’m in! I hope the innovators responsible listen carefully to your balanced comments. Thank you for a very enjoyable interlude in my day 😊👍
I'm not into dip pens... I don't know why youtube recommended your video... But I did not regret the ~20 min I spent listening to someone show off there hobby. Nice video!
I have been wanting one of these ever since Inky Rocks did a short review last winter. At the time you could only get one in Japan. You did a very good review and showed the options, and that is a big help. As always another great job sir, Thank You.
To fix the engraving and make it more visible, use fingernail polish on the ring and then wipe the polish off with a sheet of paper. You get a cloisonne effect with the indentations of the laser engraving filled in. Alternatively, use two different colors of nail polish to distinguish the nib sizes.
I'd rather not waste my time searching out demarcations. This, to my mind, is a reinvention of an otherwise tried & tested concept - I'll adhere to my vintage dip pens - but I wish you well in (your) endeavour. We cannot all like everything that is presented to the market.
Each to their own. I (also) have very large hands, & there's no way that these pens, save for the 'Twin', would be practical; working from David's (comparitive) measurements in the review, that barrel wouldn't even reach the web space between my thumb & forefinger. You mention at the end of your comment that you employ Pilot Parallel barrels - I own those, too, & they're a far more straightforward design, ergo, selling the product short (literally). No doubt there will be interest in this pen, but not for me. It's limitations far outweigh the practical applications. Enjoy your day.
i imported one of these a couple months ago and was kind of disappointed in it. the pen body is too short. the nib itself is very cool-looking, but very sharp/scratchy, and that was the bigger 0.8 nib that i have. i made myself a new body out of resin and use it like a glass dip pen.
Hey! I know you probably wont see this. I just wanted to let you know I love your enthusiasm and it has made be come back in to the pen world again. Thank you sir.
I said the exact same thing about knives, then I bought a $15 Ganzo FH11. A few years later, there's a case filled with about $15k worth of knives sitting at my feet.
A Confederacy of Dunces is my favorite book of all time. I got it with the first three words, lol! I'm also from New Orleans so the book is even funnier to me since I know the EXACT businesses he was referencing even though he gave them different names 🤣🤣🤣
Confederacy of Dunces!! I love that book. My wife an I tend to throw out "oh, my valve!" at least a couple of times a week for various, non-valve related reasons. :-D
Thanks, David. Very interesting concept and designs, but it un-checks a lot of the boxes for me personally. The short barrel wouldn't bother me too much for short writing sessions, but my grip would, unquestionably, migrate onto the inky nib. Were the nib grooves sharp to the touch? Very cool "color puddle"! At some point, I would undoubtedly drop the thing on my bare foot nib first. Haven't done that yet with any of my other pens, but this thing looks like it's eager for that assignment!
I'd like to own a toy like this, but not for that price. It's only a glorified dip pen after all, basically a fancy stainless steel version of a glass dip pen. Weird that they made the nib holder so short, it would have been so easy to offer different sizes.
Despite its literal shortcomings, I really dig this pen. I have small hands and can write with an un-posted Kaweco Sport, so I'd probably be alright, except that price is a bit much.
@@FigbootonPens Thanks to you, I am in touch with Gianluca @ Piedimonte Pen Design to purchase a model for my inventory. Very moved and excited. Gratitude from London, England!
The flaw is that the grip area needs to be hollowed out so that it partly covers the ink wells. This would allow you to hold it lower without getting ink on the fingers.
You could use the Drillog script on the barrel of the Twin to remind you how you have oriented the nibs. Right side up - thin (0.5mm). Upside down - thick (0.8mm).
Thanks for this comprehensive look at the Drillog. I've been so curious about these. It's a shame that they didn't make the bodies a bit longer. And at that price, I can get a fairly nice fountain pen. The part of this package I'd really like is the Color Puddle--what a neat little device. Although I suppose clanking a glass dip pen nib against that metal, which could easily happen if your hand slipped, would not be good for the glass nib.
I like the idea but the nib is just too long. I would get ink all over my fingers and I actually try to avoid that when writting letters. I like to send a very neat page with no smudges. I do like the modern *look* of the pen, especially the spiral. Would love to see that in red. They clearly know top-notch engineering so hopefully the kickstarter gets them the money they need to modify their design, find a way to get the nib to retract into a section after being dipped so that you can keep your fingers ink free. It'd also be nice to increase the lenght even if they don't post. Their ink "cuddle" is brilliant.
Since it's a dip nib, why not design it to fit in a standard pen staff and drop the price a bit? That nib looks pretty complicated to machine, so I understand it being a bit expensive, but if you include a barrel, why not make it comfortable?
I'm not going to thumb this down, it is a great review, but I have to say, the design is so simple, that a brass screw might do just as well. The price is outrageous and reminds me of a story I heard about a guy buying a horse blanket, where he didn't want a cheap priced blanket, but wanted one worthy of his horse's grandeur, so the dealer upped the price of one of the cheap blankets and the rich man then gladly bought it. Most of the time, the question is, do I want something for the pleasure of the status of having it, or the pleasure of wonderfulness in using it, but in this case I have to wonder if the person making it is just taking advantage of people who are caught up in the fountain pen frenzy developing recently?
@@melody3741 Fair enough, but, before you defend the price, maybe you would like to watch some videos on how to thread metal rods and how to make screws and channels in metal. It takes a couple of minutes, and that's it. It's quite easy to do, and to make and cheaply too. You might just change your mind about what these people's motives really are.
@@gristlevonraben I mean, everything is easy if you have the correct equipment. Most people don't have the tools to make this at home. This is why a market place of products exist.
@@allenwilliamson4096 you are really tempting me to go buy a brass screw, grind a point down, sand it and see if it works. But then you and I will cause this company to lose a lot of money. You really want that kind of karma?
I have a glass dip pen ($20) that I regularly use for ink swatching and testing ink samples. But beyond that, I really don't see a practical use for it where I would want to spend $200+ on a dip pen. Others may disagree, but I see a very limited market for this pen. I appreciate your review though.
I’m going to make a guess, but perhaps the one page claim is made for ink designed for glass pens? Japan has quite a few of them, many supposedly unusable in fountain pens. Maybe that might make a difference.
My compliments to the designers of these pens, in that they have provided some unique offerings for the dip pen user. From this thorough review, and one other that I read, this pen needs to return to the drawing board for needed improvements. Sometimes you don't know how a product will perform or be received until you get it out there for people to use. Hopefully, the creators will take the various improvement suggestions seriously. The price for these pens seems excessive, as the Kakimori metal nib seems to do a better job at a much lower cost, even though you have to buy the holder separately. Thanks for the review!
These pens are the equivalent of mechanical watches. They are cool and show off artisan craftsmanship but just as a cheap digital watch from a petrol station can beat the Patek Philippe in terms of accuracy, a Bic Biro is a much more practical solution to writing on paper.
It's crazy, almost like humans buy things they like and don't care just about efficiency. If someone likes these pens, the next best option would be to buy a few thousands dolalrs in startup equipment and make it yourself or spend a fortune for a custom job anyways...That's why costs are governed by supply...AND demand... Thanks for your comment, the top comment kinda miffs me. Sure, I get where the top comment comes from, a lot of kickstarters are disingenuous ripoffs. But just let people do what they wanna do with the money they earned. He acts like the fountain pen fad is the first time humans have ever experienced such dynamics. Sure, I don't want to encourage predatory capitalism... However, I'd rather let it all happen laissez-faire and have people learn watch their own backs. Rather than tell them what they should buy because I know best, clearly, which isn't sounding much like capitalism at that point... (And that is the stance that the top-commenter's bias seems to imply, that these people shouldn't be allowed to market their product at their desired price. )
@@GRAYgauss Obviously people should buy what they want. The market place will decide. However, it is apparent that this device is just another show-off item that doesn't even perform as well as the perceived inferior product. It says, I have lots of money but also I have ink on my hands. These two things seem to be opposed to each other. Who even writes any more anyway?
@@dr_ned_flanders Yeah, in the end I agree and was taking up a stance and making it black/white merely to villainize him. Also, agreed, nice way of putting it, what 1%er could stand inky fingers.. Yeah, no kidding, the last time I wrote, my hand was so weak with a pen that it scared me. I've started drawing more to compensate and keep that sort of dexterity.
Definitely too short. I'd probably get the one that posts and never unpost it. But the line quality looks really good. Definitely a cool looking nib. I'd love to see Peter Draws do a drawing with it.
Same here, no not everybody has a mini lathe and knows how to cut spirals with it like I do. But; I could fashion one of those knibbs in about half an hour with a few cents worth of stainless bar stock and some polishing compounds. They're out of their freaking Minds for $220. FOH. Now I'm not saying just because I could fashion a nib for a couple of cents means that the Pen is only worth that; absolutely not. I understand paying for a person's skill, and their time, Etc. But you have to assume that a company like this one is fashioning these pens with pre-programmed machines and doing it on a massive scale thereby reducing their actual time and skill in producing it. Even if I were to produce one of these by hand ; and we all know that handmade artisan quality products cost a lot more; I still wouldn't charge anywhere close to what they're asking for this. Shameful. With that kind of price they won't be in business very long.
Pen barrel too short, that's no good for me because as a left handed writer, I tend to hold a pen further up the barrel, to compensate for pushing a pen. This makes them a non-starter. Excellent review, thanks, David.
A very cool looking nib. Combine short body and price and it's a no go for me for a dip pen. If they ever figure out how to make it with a converter or ink piston pen I would probably own one. Great review as always.
Small question about the Twin. model. You say that if you only use one nib, it's hard to tell on which side it is. But there's a white logo on the grip, so if you decide that you place the nib above that logo, you always know on which side it is, right?
How TF did I end up on this video? I was watching random videos and papa TH-cam was like "Pens?" Needless to say, I watched the whole thing and I don't think I will be getting one of these. Not that I ever thought I would, nor did I even know they existed. But this thorough review solidified the decision.
The length seams like it would very much be a problem for me, i wish there was a workaround for that, even on my lamy i grip so close to the nib i end up with ink on my hands
I'm surprised they don't have a piece that could screw over the top of the nib without touching it so that your grip can be closer to the point without getting ink on your hand. It would probably even give you that slight bit of length that you would need to avoid the end digging into your hand.
Great review! This dip pen looks like a better alternative to glass, however now that you highlighted the length being too short, I will have to pass. Good thing I watched this before jumping on the Kickstarter!
I'm not sure about that. Certainly not for my uses. A good glass pen just can't be beat for testing ink. And I can get a LOT of good glass pens for the price of one of these.
I agree with Jackie about this campaign. It makes no sense to me. I'd be afraid to put any money into it. I have some extremely expensive fountain pens, so I don't mind paying for something I like, but I can't see where these pens are worth the money. The length alone is a deal breaker. If I have to post a pen that isn't a very short pocket pen, then I look elsewhere. I hate having to post a pen just because the manufacturer didn't make it quite long enough. I think that was a silly mistake. And while I love dip pens, and use them often, the only things these have going on that separates them from regular dip pens is that they're made of aluminum, and they're too heavy, and they look pretty cool. But they're too heavy. Fountain pens write better when they have some weight to them, especially if the weight is down near the nib. Dip pens work better when they large enough to hold easily, but they need to be light. Maybe it's just personal taste, but as cool as these pens look, I wouldn't want them to actually use, even if they weren't so short, and the price is simply way, way out of line.
I think they're very cool and you're absolutely right they're too short but at that price point I think I'll wait till they come down and you can get one for $20 wish will happen I'm very sure thank you for the demonstration very interesting
I was really interested in these until I saw just how short they are. I can't tell if the Twin even posts very securely. Too bad too, I really like the way the Spiral and Mirage look but I like big pens and these stubby little sticks just won't work for me. Then, I was surprised at how sharply it wrote. You can really hear it across the paper. Design wise, I think they are on to some really interesting ideas but the execution is just flat right now.
I have only seen like 2 of your vids, I'm not even a big pen person. But I'd like to help with your presentation. Put your notes above or below the camera. The up and down eye movement is less noticeable. 😁👌👍🙋♂️
Actually a great idea and design, except for the length of the nib. It's so long that, like you said, you have to hold the pen way down the barrel which seems like it would feel weird. I wonder if it would be more practical if the nib with the channels wasn't QUITE so long...
man wouldnt it be cool if the pen had something like an ink reservior which could feed ink into the nib and allow a user to actually fill a whole A4 page? /s
The question is David, whether you would buy one. Do you have to return these samples? The price is so prohibitive. I would not even consider this pen. My glass pen is terrific for my swatch lettering. That was $15.
I know this channel is probably more focused on writing, but do you have any idea whether to use a dip pen or fountain pen for drawing? I have been using a fountain pen, and dip pens seem really cool, but I’m not sure if they are good for my application.
I personally love dip pens, but they have limitations. A fountain pen can put down different line weights, because it can flex, where dip pens are almost always entirely rigid, and put down a steady line that cannot get thicker and thinner. I like the ease of use and cleaning of a dip pen, and find them fun to use for quick drawings and such. I think fountain pens have more usability in art, but dip pens are also great if you dont care as much about line weight, like i do
Where I live dip pen sets are usually marketed as "Zeichenfederset" which translates "drawing nib set". The main advantages dip pens have over fountain pens are: Ease of cleaning - which greatly facilitats changing ink colours on the fly. Using multiple colours with fountain pens is pretty unfeasible unless you use multiple fountain pens. With dip pen some clean water and a rag are all you need to change ink in a matter of seconds. There's a much broader range of nib shapes and properties available. Fountain pens are designed with writing in mind and you don't that much line variation while writing, which why is most fountain pen makers don't bother offering specialty nibs. Besides: in order to ensure ink flow, part of the nibs needs to sit snugly on the fountain pen's ink feed, which restricts how flexible a fountain pen nib can be. 'Flexible' fountain pen nibs (don't try to flex a fountain pen nib that isn't designed to flex, it will bend and you'll have to replace it or worse, replace the entire nib unit!), are nowhere near as flexible as flexible dip pen nibs. The nibs also need to work with the ink flow that is provided by the ink feed, which also puts restrictions on the nibs that work with any given fountain pen design. The makers of dip pen nibs don't face those restrictions and offering a wide range of specialty nibs is their main selling point. Another aspect of dip pen nibs is that they're comparatively cheap What I think is the main reason some artists favour dip pens is the fact that dip pens can handle pigment based inks that would destroy fountain pens. Pigment based inks give much more saturated colours than the dye based inks fountain pens are restricted to. The main disadvantage of dip pens is: You constantly have to dip your pen. Depending on how you work you might find that highly annoying. Whether or not the advantages outweigh the hassle of constant re-dipping is something you need to decide for yourself.
For some reason I haven’t seen any new notifications from you even though I’m a subscriber - I went to look and I see you have continually been uploading new videos, hmmmm I wonder why my notifications aren’t working?
Thanks for emphasizing the short length. A serious problem for a pricey pen. I may wait for the knockoffs that are no doubt turning as we speak on the CNC mills of Shenzhen and Guangdong!
how many a5 pages can you write with something like this? I usually use a oldschool 1920s Swan fountain pen and am quite happy that I don't have to refill it all the time.Edit: ah ok, ofc you went over this in your video. thank you!
good looking pens, too bad the barrel does look too short and looking at your hands i can imagine what a mess it would be drawing with it. Hope they fix all the problems soon
Very interesting. Obviously, not for do-it-yourself-ers, because of the hygroscopic coating. It is enough of a novelty that I would love to own one, fine nib (0.5) in stainless, but not $250+ worth.
Welp... Having already gotten excited enough to get burnt on the Glass Dip Pen craze a few years ago... I just wanted to see... AND thank YOU for showing it. It's another over-priced waste... If one can't be bothered to dip the nibs, then get a fountain. If you want precisely ZERO line variation, then just get a ball point or roller-ball... You can even get a finer line out of them (down to 0.3mm)... I'm 90% using the dip nibs for art. It's 100% or more about LINE VARIATION CONTROL, and when I'm down to lithography nibs and a 0.001mm line (fine enough to draw a smiley on a grain of rice BY HAND) for cross-hatching that boggles a viewer's mind with a magnifying instrument, I'm well past the pretentious nature of a dip nib for people who can't stand dip pens... BUT you (again) gave a fair and balanced review of the performance. Obviously, I'll save my money, and for that, I am truly grateful... even as late to the rodeo as I am (haha)... ;o)
If they had a sliding piece that would drop down over the nib. and a detent locking it into place. so you could hold it closer to the tip would make this a lot nicer. And it's over priced in my opinion.
just from the looks of it, thinking of how to hold it, it's bad nib too large, body too short, its really bad imho kinda sad, i really liked the nib design too also liked how the 0.5 writes
honestly, their kickstarter is a hot mess.....interesting product, but it feels like they are disingenuously utilizing direct marketing through kickstarter, instead of being a showcase for interesting innovation. It's another 200$ pen, way overpriced for basically a milled steel nib, and aluminum case. Just waiting for china to knockoff their own designs, and start mass producing them cheaply (just like they did with all the glass dip pens 8 years ago)
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Its already chinese-sized.
@@Mr371312 These pens looks about as long as a golf pencil. I probably couldn't use them for more than a word or two, in which case just reach for a ballpoint.
So a typical Kickstarter?
@@gorillaau you clearly don’t understand the purpose of a dip pen or fine fountain pen. It’s not for economy of writing genius especially with dip pens, glass or not.
Well Sir, I am a dip pen user from way back and relatively new to fountain pens. Now I did have a fountain pen way back in grade school in the 60's for a calligraphy class but I fond it clogging all the time and opted for the dip pens for ease of use and variety of strokes. I do not believe this pen is not for me, I do appreciate that you did all of the "leg work" and saved so many of us the hassle of trying this pen out and for those who are excited by it good for you! The only thing I found interesting was the puddle palette!
Yeah me too i was very uninterested until the puddle pallette came in to scene.
If I wanted to use a stiff dip nib that holds a lot of ink, I would just use an Esterbrook Dipless. Much cheaper, many more options of sizes and types of nib. This is really just a steel version of a glass nib: stiff and unyielding. I guess if you just want a fine nib with no line variation this would work, but see no real value in this for writers. Thanks for the review.
You do not think it’s not for you?
So yu DO think it IS something for you? Hehe, sorry, can’t help it
Again, what a wonderful review David. Fascinating project, with wonderful ideas. I do so hope that longer pens are offered, and if so, I’m in! I hope the innovators responsible listen carefully to your balanced comments. Thank you for a very enjoyable interlude in my day 😊👍
I'm not into dip pens... I don't know why youtube recommended your video... But I did not regret the ~20 min I spent listening to someone show off there hobby. Nice video!
The opening lines to A Confederacy of Dunces. One of my favorites too!
I have been wanting one of these ever since Inky Rocks did a short review last winter. At the time you could only get one in Japan. You did a very good review and showed the options, and that is a big help. As always another great job sir, Thank You.
To fix the engraving and make it more visible, use fingernail polish on the ring and then wipe the polish off with a sheet of paper. You get a cloisonne effect with the indentations of the laser engraving filled in. Alternatively, use two different colors of nail polish to distinguish the nib sizes.
That seems like an awful lot of effort for what is, essentially the manufacturer's design flaw 🤨
@@andrewtongue7084 Well, you could ship everything back. Or, if you otherwise like the thing, you can make the effort.
I'd rather not waste my time searching out demarcations. This, to my mind, is a reinvention of an otherwise tried & tested concept - I'll adhere to my vintage dip pens - but I wish you well in (your) endeavour. We cannot all like everything that is presented to the market.
@@andrewtongue7084 It is indeed a tried and true reinvention. I use it on my parallel pens.
Each to their own. I (also) have very large hands, & there's no way that these pens, save for the 'Twin', would be practical; working from David's (comparitive) measurements in the review, that barrel wouldn't even reach the web space between my thumb & forefinger. You mention at the end of your comment that you employ Pilot Parallel barrels - I own those, too, & they're a far more straightforward design, ergo, selling the product short (literally). No doubt there will be interest in this pen, but not for me. It's limitations far outweigh the practical applications. Enjoy your day.
i imported one of these a couple months ago and was kind of disappointed in it. the pen body is too short. the nib itself is very cool-looking, but very sharp/scratchy, and that was the bigger 0.8 nib that i have. i made myself a new body out of resin and use it like a glass dip pen.
The twin spiral, sus and mirage models of the pen barrel can post the cap and you get a normal length pen. It can hold two nibs at same time too.
Hey! I know you probably wont see this. I just wanted to let you know I love your enthusiasm and it has made be come back in to the pen world again. Thank you sir.
Thanks for watching!
seeing the prices i dont think im going to ever collect pens, but stumbling upon your channel has convinced me that i need at least one fancy pen
I said the exact same thing about knives, then I bought a $15 Ganzo FH11. A few years later, there's a case filled with about $15k worth of knives sitting at my feet.
On the Twin Spirals the logo inside the groove provides a way to know which side is the single nib under. Not ideal, but should work.
Yes. I noticed that too, Alex...
A Confederacy of Dunces is my favorite book of all time. I got it with the first three words, lol! I'm also from New Orleans so the book is even funnier to me since I know the EXACT businesses he was referencing even though he gave them different names 🤣🤣🤣
Really appreciate the detailed review, including testing inks for ability to fill a sheet of paper. 👍
Confederacy of Dunces!! I love that book. My wife an I tend to throw out "oh, my valve!" at least a couple of times a week for various, non-valve related reasons. :-D
Thanks, David.
Very interesting concept and designs, but it un-checks a lot of the boxes for me personally. The short barrel wouldn't bother me too much for short writing sessions, but my grip would, unquestionably, migrate onto the inky nib. Were the nib grooves sharp to the touch?
Very cool "color puddle"!
At some point, I would undoubtedly drop the thing on my bare foot nib first. Haven't done that yet with any of my other pens, but this thing looks like it's eager for that assignment!
The grooves aren't sharp at all...
@@FigbootonPens - Super! Thanks for the reply.
I'd like to own a toy like this, but not for that price. It's only a glorified dip pen after all, basically a fancy stainless steel version of a glass dip pen.
Weird that they made the nib holder so short, it would have been so easy to offer different sizes.
They could have designed them to fit into standard pen staffs too, and just sold the tips.
Despite its literal shortcomings, I really dig this pen. I have small hands and can write with an un-posted Kaweco Sport, so I'd probably be alright, except that price is a bit much.
The twin spiral, sus and mirage models of the pen barrel can post the cap and you get a normal length pen. It can hold two nibs at same time too.
Thank you for all that you do. Your work is excellent.
Thanks for watching!
@@FigbootonPens Thanks to you, I am in touch with Gianluca @ Piedimonte Pen Design to purchase a model for my inventory. Very moved and excited. Gratitude from London, England!
@@jaydunstan1618 He does some great work...I'm sure you'll be pleased with the result.
This is an amazing channel, I love fountain pens and I'm amazed at how in depth your knowledge is.
I was waiting on your review of this "pen". That is quite an awesome piece of engineering! Awesome Review David!
i have no idea how i got here, but i enjoyed the thorough review and really appreciate the craft.
Seeing you try to hold the pen made me squirm. They did almost everything right.
I'll tell you what else will make you squirm: paying £150 for one of these pens.
The flaw is that the grip area needs to be hollowed out so that it partly covers the ink wells. This would allow you to hold it lower without getting ink on the fingers.
@@largol33t1 That would make half of the nib useless. They should have just made the pen longer and added knurling to the grip area.
You could use the Drillog script on the barrel of the Twin to remind you how you have oriented the nibs. Right side up - thin (0.5mm). Upside down - thick (0.8mm).
Thanks for this comprehensive look at the Drillog. I've been so curious about these. It's a shame that they didn't make the bodies a bit longer. And at that price, I can get a fairly nice fountain pen. The part of this package I'd really like is the Color Puddle--what a neat little device. Although I suppose clanking a glass dip pen nib against that metal, which could easily happen if your hand slipped, would not be good for the glass nib.
The twin spiral, sus and mirage models of the pen barrel can post the cap and you get a normal length pen. It can hold two nibs at same time too.
It's not good for the glass tip and that is mentioned in the KS.
I like the idea but the nib is just too long. I would get ink all over my fingers and I actually try to avoid that when writting letters. I like to send a very neat page with no smudges. I do like the modern *look* of the pen, especially the spiral. Would love to see that in red. They clearly know top-notch engineering so hopefully the kickstarter gets them the money they need to modify their design, find a way to get the nib to retract into a section after being dipped so that you can keep your fingers ink free. It'd also be nice to increase the lenght even if they don't post. Their ink "cuddle" is brilliant.
Since it's a dip nib, why not design it to fit in a standard pen staff and drop the price a bit? That nib looks pretty complicated to machine, so I understand it being a bit expensive, but if you include a barrel, why not make it comfortable?
It's likely a cast piece, minor machining, tumbled and chromed. A cent part. The barrels are way more costly.
I really like the idea of this, but the price is way to high.
Too high!
I'm not going to thumb this down, it is a great review, but I have to say, the design is so simple, that a brass screw might do just as well. The price is outrageous and reminds me of a story I heard about a guy buying a horse blanket, where he didn't want a cheap priced blanket, but wanted one worthy of his horse's grandeur, so the dealer upped the price of one of the cheap blankets and the rich man then gladly bought it. Most of the time, the question is, do I want something for the pleasure of the status of having it, or the pleasure of wonderfulness in using it, but in this case I have to wonder if the person making it is just taking advantage of people who are caught up in the fountain pen frenzy developing recently?
Fwiw this is different than a brass screw. The channels slow down the ink flow so it doesn't all spill out immediately.
@@melody3741 Fair enough, but, before you defend the price, maybe you would like to watch some videos on how to thread metal rods and how to make screws and channels in metal. It takes a couple of minutes, and that's it. It's quite easy to do, and to make and cheaply too. You might just change your mind about what these people's motives really are.
@@gristlevonraben I mean, everything is easy if you have the correct equipment. Most people don't have the tools to make this at home. This is why a market place of products exist.
@@allenwilliamson4096 you are really tempting me to go buy a brass screw, grind a point down, sand it and see if it works. But then you and I will cause this company to lose a lot of money. You really want that kind of karma?
@@gristlevonraben I wanna see you try. I doubt many people see this so I think it'll be relatively harmless
I have a glass dip pen ($20) that I regularly use for ink swatching and testing ink samples. But beyond that, I really don't see a practical use for it where I would want to spend $200+ on a dip pen. Others may disagree, but I see a very limited market for this pen. I appreciate your review though.
" when the Drillog Dip Pen is SUS."
*_A M O G U S_*
This was very chill and relaxing to watch.
I’m going to make a guess, but perhaps the one page claim is made for ink designed for glass pens? Japan has quite a few of them, many supposedly unusable in fountain pens. Maybe that might make a difference.
My compliments to the designers of these pens, in that they have provided some unique offerings for the dip pen user. From this thorough review, and one other that I read, this pen needs to return to the drawing board for needed improvements. Sometimes you don't know how a product will perform or be received until you get it out there for people to use. Hopefully, the creators will take the various improvement suggestions seriously. The price for these pens seems excessive, as the Kakimori metal nib seems to do a better job at a much lower cost, even though you have to buy the holder separately. Thanks for the review!
These pens are the equivalent of mechanical watches. They are cool and show off artisan craftsmanship but just as a cheap digital watch from a petrol station can beat the Patek Philippe in terms of accuracy, a Bic Biro is a much more practical solution to writing on paper.
It's crazy, almost like humans buy things they like and don't care just about efficiency. If someone likes these pens, the next best option would be to buy a few thousands dolalrs in startup equipment and make it yourself or spend a fortune for a custom job anyways...That's why costs are governed by supply...AND demand... Thanks for your comment, the top comment kinda miffs me. Sure, I get where the top comment comes from, a lot of kickstarters are disingenuous ripoffs. But just let people do what they wanna do with the money they earned. He acts like the fountain pen fad is the first time humans have ever experienced such dynamics. Sure, I don't want to encourage predatory capitalism... However, I'd rather let it all happen laissez-faire and have people learn watch their own backs. Rather than tell them what they should buy because I know best, clearly, which isn't sounding much like capitalism at that point... (And that is the stance that the top-commenter's bias seems to imply, that these people shouldn't be allowed to market their product at their desired price. )
@@GRAYgauss Obviously people should buy what they want. The market place will decide. However, it is apparent that this device is just another show-off item that doesn't even perform as well as the perceived inferior product. It says, I have lots of money but also I have ink on my hands. These two things seem to be opposed to each other. Who even writes any more anyway?
@@dr_ned_flanders Yeah, in the end I agree and was taking up a stance and making it black/white merely to villainize him. Also, agreed, nice way of putting it, what 1%er could stand inky fingers.. Yeah, no kidding, the last time I wrote, my hand was so weak with a pen that it scared me. I've started drawing more to compensate and keep that sort of dexterity.
idk why ur vid popped up on my reccomend, but damn the algorithm nailed this one!
Thanks for watching!
Definitely too short. I'd probably get the one that posts and never unpost it. But the line quality looks really good. Definitely a cool looking nib. I'd love to see Peter Draws do a drawing with it.
This thing is cool as hell and the puddle is AWESOME… but as soon as I saw the price I noped out.
Same here, no not everybody has a mini lathe and knows how to cut spirals with it like I do. But; I could fashion one of those knibbs in about half an hour with a few cents worth of stainless bar stock and some polishing compounds. They're out of their freaking Minds for $220. FOH. Now I'm not saying just because I could fashion a nib for a couple of cents means that the Pen is only worth that; absolutely not. I understand paying for a person's skill, and their time, Etc. But you have to assume that a company like this one is fashioning these pens with pre-programmed machines and doing it on a massive scale thereby reducing their actual time and skill in producing it. Even if I were to produce one of these by hand ; and we all know that handmade artisan quality products cost a lot more; I still wouldn't charge anywhere close to what they're asking for this. Shameful. With that kind of price they won't be in business very long.
The spiral made me think of a twizzler candy :)
That puddle palette is pretty neat.
Pen barrel too short, that's no good for me because as a left handed writer, I tend to hold a pen further up the barrel, to compensate for pushing a pen. This makes them a non-starter. Excellent review, thanks, David.
I wish they would have made them all postable. Thanks for the review!
A very cool looking nib. Combine short body and price and it's a no go for me for a dip pen. If they ever figure out how to make it with a converter or ink piston pen I would probably own one. Great review as always.
The twin spiral, sus and mirage models of the pen barrel can post the cap and you get a normal length pen. It can hold two nibs at same time too.
Small question about the Twin. model. You say that if you only use one nib, it's hard to tell on which side it is. But there's a white logo on the grip, so if you decide that you place the nib above that logo, you always know on which side it is, right?
The logo is in the middle of the grip, and the text is rather small to quickly determine orientation.
When the pen sus 😳
Thanks for the review! Looks like a really neat pen
Most original pen! thanks for this review.
How TF did I end up on this video? I was watching random videos and papa TH-cam was like "Pens?"
Needless to say, I watched the whole thing and I don't think I will be getting one of these. Not that I ever thought I would, nor did I even know they existed. But this thorough review solidified the decision.
Well...thanks for watching, at least. :-). This review was a bit different for the channel...most reviews are of fountain pens and ink.
The length seams like it would very much be a problem for me, i wish there was a workaround for that, even on my lamy i grip so close to the nib i end up with ink on my hands
You can change one cap on the twin and it would sort out all the twin's caveats. Use a red cap, or a spiral one, mix it up :D
That .8 is amazing!
It would have been nice to compare the writing sample to a regular glass dip pen. It’s a shame they aren’t postable.
I'm surprised they don't have a piece that could screw over the top of the nib without touching it so that your grip can be closer to the point without getting ink on your hand. It would probably even give you that slight bit of length that you would need to avoid the end digging into your hand.
Props for the Kingsbarns shirt
Looks like a fancy burr bit, I’m quite sure I could fashion one easily with minimal funds invested in the endeavor, cheers!
The Ink Puddle blew my mind! Price is a bit steep, sadly.
I'm sure the Chinese will quickly copy these pens and sell at a much lower price. As to whether they will be as good is another question.
@@greyfriar9008 no,maybe they can’t, almost of Chinese don’t use pan which made in china
Great review! This dip pen looks like a better alternative to glass, however now that you highlighted the length being too short, I will have to pass. Good thing I watched this before jumping on the Kickstarter!
The twin spiral, sus and mirage models of the pen barrel can post the cap and you get a normal length pen. It can hold two nibs at same time too.
I'm not sure about that. Certainly not for my uses. A good glass pen just can't be beat for testing ink. And I can get a LOT of good glass pens for the price of one of these.
I agree with Jackie about this campaign. It makes no sense to me. I'd be afraid to put any money into it.
I have some extremely expensive fountain pens, so I don't mind paying for something I like, but I can't see where these pens are worth the money. The length alone is a deal breaker. If I have to post a pen that isn't a very short pocket pen, then I look elsewhere. I hate having to post a pen just because the manufacturer didn't make it quite long enough. I think that was a silly mistake.
And while I love dip pens, and use them often, the only things these have going on that separates them from regular dip pens is that they're made of aluminum, and they're too heavy, and they look pretty cool. But they're too heavy. Fountain pens write better when they have some weight to them, especially if the weight is down near the nib.
Dip pens work better when they large enough to hold easily, but they need to be light.
Maybe it's just personal taste, but as cool as these pens look, I wouldn't want them to actually use, even if they weren't so short, and the price is simply way, way out of line.
Couldn’t agree more…
A confederacy of dunces - a total joy of a book. Regards from Scotland.
I think they're very cool and you're absolutely right they're too short but at that price point I think I'll wait till they come down and you can get one for $20 wish will happen I'm very sure thank you for the demonstration very interesting
I was really interested in these until I saw just how short they are. I can't tell if the Twin even posts very securely. Too bad too, I really like the way the Spiral and Mirage look but I like big pens and these stubby little sticks just won't work for me. Then, I was surprised at how sharply it wrote. You can really hear it across the paper.
Design wise, I think they are on to some really interesting ideas but the execution is just flat right now.
Go ahead and make me jealous. I'm eagerly waiting to finally get it. I've been waiting since last year. Way before the kickstarter. :(
Nice review! This is tempting except for the price and the ergonomics of the pen.
I have only seen like 2 of your vids, I'm not even a big pen person.
But I'd like to help with your presentation. Put your notes above or below the camera. The up and down eye movement is less noticeable. 😁👌👍🙋♂️
Actually a great idea and design, except for the length of the nib. It's so long that, like you said, you have to hold the pen way down the barrel which seems like it would feel weird. I wonder if it would be more practical if the nib with the channels wasn't QUITE so long...
I will guess 'Where The Red Fern Grows', just because hunting cap. But I have no idea.
man wouldnt it be cool if the pen had something like an ink reservior which could feed ink into the nib and allow a user to actually fill a whole A4 page?
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Out of all the models the one which I actually like the most is the........Schon dsgn Ultem 😜😂
They really should lengthen the pens, that's a deal breaker.
The twin spiral, sus and mirage models of the pen barrel can post the cap and you get a normal length pen. It can hold two nibs at same time too.
Lengthen them or make the cap postable.
That, and the price.
I see how they got their name, the really do look like metal cutting machine bits.
The question is David, whether you would buy one. Do you have to return these samples? The price is so prohibitive. I would not even consider this pen. My glass pen is terrific for my swatch lettering. That was $15.
Dang, it looks just perfect, i wish they had a fountain pen.
David, what was the company/model of the yellow translucent demonstrator you showed to demonstrate the section length? Thanks.
Schon DSGN Ultem
@@FigbootonPens Thanks!
Are you maybe supposed to hold it like a brush or rapidograph?
The length of the nib and ensuing mess would be a show-stopper.
Very cute and ingenious, but I'm not sure how this has any practical advantage over a regular dip nib pen, other than holding more ink.
I was wondering would you consider doing new versions of the top 10 pen lists for 2021
Thanks, nice review. Interesting review, but I don't think they beat the Serendipity, which really does do a whole page.
15:04 that's a ridiculous claim by the company!
I know this channel is probably more focused on writing, but do you have any idea whether to use a dip pen or fountain pen for drawing? I have been using a fountain pen, and dip pens seem really cool, but I’m not sure if they are good for my application.
I personally love dip pens, but they have limitations. A fountain pen can put down different line weights, because it can flex, where dip pens are almost always entirely rigid, and put down a steady line that cannot get thicker and thinner. I like the ease of use and cleaning of a dip pen, and find them fun to use for quick drawings and such. I think fountain pens have more usability in art, but dip pens are also great if you dont care as much about line weight, like i do
Where I live dip pen sets are usually marketed as "Zeichenfederset" which translates "drawing nib set". The main advantages dip pens have over fountain pens are:
Ease of cleaning - which greatly facilitats changing ink colours on the fly. Using multiple colours with fountain pens is pretty unfeasible unless you use multiple fountain pens. With dip pen some clean water and a rag are all you need to change ink in a matter of seconds.
There's a much broader range of nib shapes and properties available. Fountain pens are designed with writing in mind and you don't that much line variation while writing, which why is most fountain pen makers don't bother offering specialty nibs. Besides: in order to ensure ink flow, part of the nibs needs to sit snugly on the fountain pen's ink feed, which restricts how flexible a fountain pen nib can be. 'Flexible' fountain pen nibs (don't try to flex a fountain pen nib that isn't designed to flex, it will bend and you'll have to replace it or worse, replace the entire nib unit!), are nowhere near as flexible as flexible dip pen nibs. The nibs also need to work with the ink flow that is provided by the ink feed, which also puts restrictions on the nibs that work with any given fountain pen design. The makers of dip pen nibs don't face those restrictions and offering a wide range of specialty nibs is their main selling point.
Another aspect of dip pen nibs is that they're comparatively cheap
What I think is the main reason some artists favour dip pens is the fact that dip pens can handle pigment based inks that would destroy fountain pens. Pigment based inks give much more saturated colours than the dye based inks fountain pens are restricted to.
The main disadvantage of dip pens is: You constantly have to dip your pen. Depending on how you work you might find that highly annoying. Whether or not the advantages outweigh the hassle of constant re-dipping is something you need to decide for yourself.
For some reason I haven’t seen any new notifications from you even though I’m a subscriber - I went to look and I see you have continually been uploading new videos, hmmmm I wonder why my notifications aren’t working?
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Ahhh, thanks I just clicked it
The sus model is the one I like but if I could not get a longer version I'd definitely turn it on a lathe so I could post the lid.
So do they not produce them anymore?
Thanks for emphasizing the short length. A serious problem for a pricey pen. I may wait for the knockoffs that are no doubt turning as we speak on the CNC mills of Shenzhen and Guangdong!
Look at those pumpkin stained fingers! cackle
I write small so less lines than that but i really want to try it out. Might grab it if its not too much
how many a5 pages can you write with something like this? I usually use a oldschool 1920s Swan fountain pen and am quite happy that I don't have to refill it all the time.Edit: ah ok, ofc you went over this in your video. thank you!
Very useful review.
Would have been nice to see it compared to an SD Pocket 6 for size....
good looking pens, too bad the barrel does look too short and looking at your hands i can imagine what a mess it would be drawing with it. Hope they fix all the problems soon
The twin spiral, sus and mirage models of the pen barrel can post the cap and you get a normal length pen. It can hold two nibs at same time too.
Very interesting. Obviously, not for do-it-yourself-ers, because of the hygroscopic coating. It is enough of a novelty that I would love to own one, fine nib (0.5) in stainless, but not $250+ worth.
Welp... Having already gotten excited enough to get burnt on the Glass Dip Pen craze a few years ago... I just wanted to see... AND thank YOU for showing it. It's another over-priced waste...
If one can't be bothered to dip the nibs, then get a fountain. If you want precisely ZERO line variation, then just get a ball point or roller-ball... You can even get a finer line out of them (down to 0.3mm)...
I'm 90% using the dip nibs for art. It's 100% or more about LINE VARIATION CONTROL, and when I'm down to lithography nibs and a 0.001mm line (fine enough to draw a smiley on a grain of rice BY HAND) for cross-hatching that boggles a viewer's mind with a magnifying instrument, I'm well past the pretentious nature of a dip nib for people who can't stand dip pens...
BUT you (again) gave a fair and balanced review of the performance. Obviously, I'll save my money, and for that, I am truly grateful... even as late to the rodeo as I am (haha)... ;o)
It's much. better with the .8 nib. I wish they made it with a longer barrel, perhaps in a different material.
Yeah, I just want the Color Puddle 🤘😜🤘
If they had a sliding piece that would drop down over the nib. and a detent locking it into place. so you could hold it closer to the tip would make this a lot nicer. And it's over priced in my opinion.
Wow there's a YT channel for everything.
Ultra cool tip.
Next step a fountain pen with a stainless steel feed?
The kickstarter refers to this review!
I was digging that until I saw how short they are.
How can I buy a drillog pen?
Cool looks
just from the looks of it, thinking of how to hold it, it's bad
nib too large, body too short, its really bad imho
kinda sad, i really liked the nib design too
also liked how the 0.5 writes