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- The Importance of Unbelief
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If you assume there’s no afterlife, Stephen Fry says, you’ll likely have a fuller, more interesting "now" life. The actor and comedian details the positive influence philosophers have had on his life, as well as his journey of understanding both what he believes and why he believes it.
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STEPHEN FRY:
Comedian, actor and writer Stephen Fry was born in 1957 in London and brought up in Norfolk. He attended Queen’s College Cambridge from 1979, joining the Cambridge Footlights Dramatic Club where he met Hugh Laurie, with whom he forged a highly successful writing partnership. His first play, Latin! or Tobacco and Boys, written for Footlights, won a Fringe First at Edinburgh Festival in 1980. He wrote again for theatre in 1984 when he rewrote Noel Gay’s musical Me and My Girl (1990). This was nominated for a Tony Award in 1987.
He has written for television and screen, and as a newspaper columnist - for the Literary Review, Daily Telegraph and The Listener. Stephen Fry's four novels are The Liar (1991), The Hippopotamus (1994), Making History (1996) and The Stars' Tennis Balls (2000). He has also published a collection of work entitled Paperweight (1992); Moab is My Washpot (1997) - an autobiography; and Rescuing the Spectacled Bear: A Peruvian Journey (2002) - his diary of the making of a documentary on the plight of the spectacled bears of Peru.
His book, Stephen Fry's Incomplete History of Classical Music (2004), written with Tim Lihoreau, is based on his award-winning series on Classic FM and is an irreverent romp through the history of classical music. The Ode Less Travelled - a book about poetry - was published in 2005. His latest book is Stephen Fry in America (Harper Collins 2008).
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The Greeks believed in their Gods at the time! One doesn't see or hear *them* being trashed and ridiculed for those beliefs today! The culture quietly incorporated their Gods/myths and moved on! Or have I got it wrong?
Wasn't till I noticed how Bernie lost that it really hit home. Been grappling with this one for a while. But yeah now it's an issue. I don't care that he lost just how he lost. If the people were against it it would have been understandable but when they are demanding change and then fail to vote for the candidate that aligns with their viewpoint it becomes more obvious. Obviously the I don't know mind point of view is correct but also the belief of all kinds is also fucked up. It's beyond atheism at this point. It encompass belief in all its forms. Fuck nuggets this is wierd.
@Way to Mars Would you eleborate?
Republicans be like this is nonsense
“Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man ... living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money.” ― George Carlin
All perfect, all powerful, all good, but can't handle money.
Surely he needs money is the only thing that makes sense
@Roddy Rod Statistics actually show that Athiest tend to have a higher knowledge of Religion that actually Religious people. What tends to keep people Religious normally is a lack of knowledge. That is why the lower the education level and less people read in a specific country the higher the rate of Religious people.
Religion is often closely interwoven with culture! One gets so tired of the self-righteous people who constantly feel the urge to stand up and vociferously trash religion and God, but who shortsightedly pay no heed to the corpse of their culture lying rotting next to the toppled statue of God on the battlefield!
With no culture/religion to be their strength in numbers extended family, young people are aimlessly wandering around, seemingly lost in a wilderness of no ties! Perhaps religion is still a necessary part of life, especially if it has evolved alongside a civilised culture.
It doesn't take much awareness to note that the strongest cultures (in terms of a sense of entitlement and strength in numbers) are those formed around religion and ancestor worship. The weakest? It's not difficult to find the answer, and, sadly, the weakest are being frog-marched to extinction!
@Stand together america lol what? I went to college. No where in college do they teach classes on banning books and destroying statues. You don't think maybe people are just destroying these statues because the persons the statues represent are racist and not people we should celebrate? You don't think maybe books with false information and racist garbage should not be the standard of education? Additionally such books are still allowed to read in private. They just aren't what is promoted. Lol where are you getting your information from? Fox News, Info Wars, Liberty Hangout? Lol my goodness you sound hysterical. Additionally the devil doesn't exist. The concept of the devil character was literally stolen from Religions that came prior to Christianity. Why is the devil of those Religions fake and yours real?
"You can't just say there's a God because the world is beautiful...You have to account for bone cancer in children. You have to account for the fact that almost all animals in the wild live under stress with not enough to eat, and will die violent and bloody deaths. There is is not any way that you can choose just the nice bits and say that means there is a God...The wonder of nature must be taken in its totality. And it is a wonderful thing; it is absolutely marvelous. And the idea that an atheist, or a humanist if you want to put it that way, doesn't wonder and marvel at reality, at the way things are, is nonsensical. The point is, we wonder all the way."
--- Stephen Fry: The Importance of Unbelief
We also look in with a microscope which makes everything just that much bigger.
@Steven Moore He clearly said that the world is beautiful and is wonderful. But it also has a lot of problems that make it flawed. I don't know if your trying not to understand or are just stupid. The world is great not perfect and for a designer like god who is all powerful and all good to have made it this way is evil. If god is out there he is allowing kids and babies to die, people including children to be raped, and causes natural disasters to kill people and destroy there homes. That is just the tip of the iceberg.
@@justinwright1745 Then your god is either impotent or evil. Or non existent. Which is the most likely?
@@csabesz78 I don't have a god.
What I would ask is what business is it of Stephen Fry or anyone else what I,or others , believe
In less than 15 minutes, Stephen Fry provided the highest concentration of highly convincing answers explaining the benefits of being a non-religious non-believer. The point about savoring your life instead of squandering your time for a (likely not occurring) afterlife was so spot on. So many of his erudite and eloquent points were so casually delivered, but immensely powerful. I agree with the others' comments: Stephen Fry is a hero!
well, there had better be a god, or my growing anger would be for nothing.
He’s a Freemason satanic deceiver Jesus is king and died for our sins repent and find the truth
My goal in life is to acquire .05% of Stephen Fry's knowledge. What a brilliant educated man.
Shahm Shaar Even 0.01% would be enough. Wonderful man.
+Shahm Shaar Dont put yourself down and dont set people up as heros, your Dad or your friend or the man from your temple / Mosque is probably a better man !
Tweedledumb and Tweedlederp, these two. Yes let's not look up to anyone, surely some random man in your podunk home town who gets all their ideas from a single book will know just as much as a scholar of literature who's pored over classics from across the history of the globe. It isn't as if learning requires effort, right? Sarcasm aside, it's true you ought not put yourself down +Shahm Shaar. Just start reading. At first old books with big concepts feel intimidating but you may be surprised how quickly you can get used to it, and then before you know it there you are becoming truly educated.
+Shahm Shaar He's a freaking comedian
+TechReviewsUWant Channel among many, many other things
If Steven Fry did not exist, we would have to invent him.
He is truly one of the most amazing people in this world.
We could not, though.
I woke early today and pulled on my $300 hiking boots, climbed the mountain at the back of my property and as I summited, witnessed a beautiful sunrise. "God is good," I thought....
Meanwhile in Calcutta a man my age woke up early and looked at his leg stumps, struggled to the street and took up his spot by the gutter with his begging bowl as another beautiful day dawned. "God is good?" he wondered....
The ultimate conceit is to invent in an all-knowing, all-loving god and then to believe that he actually cares about you alone in the unfathomable vastness of the Universe. I can convince myself that he cares for me, but he's got some explaining to do to the Calcutta amputee.
Ah, that's Einstein's theory of relativity in play there!
In the same way that in order for the Church to be so rich, there needs to be millions of starving people in Africa with HIV
Except that in this example they are more related than normal
God protects and blesses those that have covenant with him. The rest have covenant with the devil. This is a quick answer to your thought. I don't take care of other people's children.
Travis Howett and thus we see a clear example of the way religious belief destroys your ability to empathy and compassion. It is also illogical, as it discounts the indisputable fact, that theists are no less prone to suffering.
@@katelynnehansen8115 Jesus constantly was moved with compassion as well as myself. I was trying to give him a quick answer. Also the Bible is very clear the storms come to the believer and unbeliever alike. All to often the serpent slithers in and bites people and God gets the blame.
@@TheHittman47 Well, if you can put your anger and hatred aside for a second. We believe that God tests everybody differently, and that the kids that die are in a better place. Whereas an atheist would believe that their suffering is meaningless.
Mankind is simply better for having people like him around.
Absolutely
Are you out of your bloody mind? He's garbage!
@@ioanpopa9473 Elaborate, you can't just say he is garbage and not offer reasoning behind your comment. My money is on you are not half as educated, intellectual and well-spoken as Stephen.
So true :)
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I don't believe in God, but I do think that, if i'm wrong, that God would be proud of the way i've used the intellect and reason which he would have endowed me to form the conclusions I have. I don't think a being that gave everybody free will would have wanted unquestioning, unthinking obedience.
While agree that God's supposed gift of free will and assuming a tyranny is improbable, I think that this "pride" aspect you describe would be highly out of character, Consider that god as mentioned in the old testament is capricious and far from proud of people who defy him. God's priorities are:
Belief
Total Submission
Fear
and close mindedness.....
Shane Lyster If those are Gods priorities, then I'm more glad than ever that I'm an atheist. I don't want to spend eternity with a utter twat like that.
That God would not be deserving of worship. Hell would, frankly, be preferable.
just basing it off of your general youtube presence.
if god created us and this world why would he let us destroy it and ourselves? but then again would he care as he only took a week to make it?
also dinosaurs...
@@301081anthony
Huh?
"Greatest failing of humankind is the idea that humans need the idea of God to be moral."
What a great line!
Not that we need God to be moral, we need Him because we are incomplete without Him. He completes us. He is All in All. This same God, loves you rounak. His name is Jesus, and he had you on his mind the day he died in the cross. He endured it all for the thought of gaining you into His kingdom one day. It doesn’t matter how far you may be, his love can still reach you. He loves you in that state and condition. He’s not religion, He is a person. He’s not calling you to follow a bunch of rules. No. But He wants you to have a relationship with Him and know Him as a Father. He is alive and real. Call on to Him, He is right there with you. You’ll see.
@@ElishaBushiri Hi Johar, I understand what you're talking about - a relationship which is warm, comforting, inspiring and strengthening. When life is going fairly OK, I don't believe in God, but at times of stress, the sense of God is instinctive and inspiring.
If heavens full of homophobic, racist, sexist, religious people then I think I'll just chill with satan for eternity, he seems much more chill
+Omar Malik satan and I are good mates actually, so we'll just have a mad party with cocaine and slags while religious people are up there licking Jesus' chocolate ring.
Jokes it's all bollocks anyway
+Nye Davis cowards are always brave before the battle.
+telabib cowards try to pretend that death isn't the end by believing in Heaven and Hell.
+shaqpopcorn34 Usually when you are proven wrong again and again, you usually don't repeat the same argument. Or erect a strawman.
But I guess " though shalt not bear false witness" doesn't matter to shaqpopcorn34
+shaqpopcorn34 just because you want something to be true doesn't make it true...
How can one man be so eloquent? I wish I had a Stephen Fry figure in my life, growing up.
He seems so calm. He must not know Smaug is heading for Laketown.
+Docktor Jim Ah, my people.
he takes 3 anti depressants
I am fire, I am death
Stephen Fry: you are a true gentleman and a truly open mind.
+Greg David L im curious, how do you define an open mind?
An open mind is a questioning mind. Do you take everything at face value and believe whatever is said without analysing the facts? Fox News must love you
+Greg David L Fox news must love me? Are you saying I dont have a open mind?
Did I say that you don't have an open mind...?
I thought you amplied that when you said FOX news must love me?
I'm Christian and wish that people who disagree or agree with my religion could act the way this man does towards each other . Well spoken and understanding.
I agree that the way a fair number of Christians act is ridiculous. If they acted the way they were supposed to than people would probably not have so many issues .
H Wik You start with "I'm sorry" and then dish out sarcastic insults? You need to learn the proper use of the language. Good to know that you have a blind intolerant opinion like the few people that may or may not deserve your cynicism.
***** Yup nailed it . Obviously not a sign of Christians being more accepting and tolerant . Did you catch any sarcasm there? Probably not...
Everyone fell for the bait. 10/10
H Wik
I appreciate anyone with a civil attitude and understanding, but I must agree with you here in the grand scheme of things. Christianity has zero merits in my eyes, and yes even the "Christianity makes me feel good" stuff makes my skin crawl with what it represents.
Reading the comments here convinces me more and more that people are afraid of intelligence.
Frank Heuvelman
Condescension never wins an argument.
@@mariamalhotra8228 hahha a fan of the biggest child abuse ring on earth....
Swedish judging by the name
Intelligence is and has always been a danger to the status quo.
Tout à fait!
Well spoken and conceptualized Stephen, Religion simply has no place in the 21st century; it's more damaging to people than useful.
Yeah mate good observation, look around you at what people have become with the decline of Christianity. The thread that has held the fabric of Europe together for thousands of years, instilled morals, values and hope, and gave people a cherished collective identity. Nope, throw it all down the crapper because.. Stephen Fry
@@GunnerRDS rubbish. The less religion, the better life gets. No christian calls for slavrry, ganocide, sexual mutilation of children, holy wars and all thar religious crap. Oh less suicide bombers also.
Religion. Good riddance
@@GunnerRDS No, th sooner that religion is thrown down the crapper, the better.
@@MrThecarebear Why?
@@GunnerRDS humans have morals regardless, religious or not. It's an evolutionary benefit that religion affirms but is not responsible for
I love Stephen Fry. He is one of my heroes.
High Stepping Night Owl wow, simply wow
Same to you. Now put your nose back in your book. Singular.
@@mariamalhotra8228 As an atheist, I have much peace and joy, I love my family and marvel at the wonders of nature. I am not scared of a tyrant in the sky watching my every move; a representative of atheism didn’t convince primitive tribes in Africa that condoms are evil and multiply the spread of aids in that continent. That’s evil, immoral and despicable.
@@mariamalhotra8228 How do you know he didn't asked himself that?
@@mariamalhotra8228 Being a happy catholic doesn't make yout beliefs true or that the happiness comes from there. People of all walks of life can and do feel that way.
Very good Q & A session with an educated, articulate, rational man. I especially appreciated his view on philosophy, the afterlife and religion in general.
William Allman loved his comment about it being like a salmon
Mookie Stewart I had to re-watch part of it to know what you're referring to, but, yes, it IS quite a good analogy. I don't know how many times I'd be reading Kant or Nietzsche (or indeed any philosopher), and go "wait...what?", then have to re-read what I'd just read, think about it a bit more, then re-read it to make sure I understood what was being said.
I do appreciate his vieuw on philosophy, his vieuws on the afterlife and religion seem to be abit ill informed.
+Blacksmith
I kind of agree, he says that some people giving to charity and helping people isn't enough to redeem religion, but completely missed the fact that this is a major area which is poisoned by religion. Lots of people try to give money every single week to charity, but the church hijacks this money and instead of using it to help the poor or give the money to real charities that need it, they use it to maintain their buildings, fund priests, cover up pedophile rings and spread religious propaganda. The Catholic church, a tax exempt company with a bigger annual income than the next five richest companies combined, is not required to say where that money is going, but a few dedicated to charitable works have released such reports and they show that these churches sometimes spend up to 3% of their income on actual charity.
And even that charity is suspect, a lot of what they call charity boils down to soup kitchens that force starving people to listen to sermons to eat, missionary work in foreign countries, some water aid because a village you help is more likely to convert, the opposition to women's rights where they are needed most, campaigns to eradicate one of the most effective defense against HIV in areas where HIV is most concerning and dedicated opposition to the best cure for poverty we know, which is the empowerment of women over their own bodies.
+charimonfanboy
Thank you for your well formulated comment, they tend to be quite rare on youtube. I think we can agree that there will probably always be some form of corruption when institutionalizing religion. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, I don't think religious institutions gaining power are an exception to that rule.
However, my main point was that Fry seems unaware about some reasonable interpretations of religious vieuws on the afterlife that don't nessesarily have anything to do with religious institutions.
You know what's funny about religion?
They all think their own religion is the only true religion and every other religion is insane, but when us rationalists explain how every religion is just as insane and illogical as the other, you suddenly see all theists gang up against us.
It's quite laughable when we do it on purpose too, then point it out and then just see their reaction ^^.
If only people would realize and think about their own religion the same way they would about other religions, we'd see quite a revelation, shame people don't see this simple logical truth.
DainnX in the words of Terry Pratchett "All religions are true, for a given value of true".
There are fundamentalist nut sects who think they have a monopoly on truth, but there are also many Protestant sects that recognize that other groups are admirable, that many of the differences between denominations are trivial matters, and that they are separate because of different traditions, not serious differences of belief. As a non-Christian I am pointing out that Christian groups are not as illogical, dogmatic, or sectarian as you seem to think.
I love Bertrand Russell. Stephen Fry loves Bertrand Russell. Therefore I love Stephen Fry and Stephen Fry loves me. Logic. Or wine. Not sure, but either way I'm happy.
+Hermione Ziggeraut
Sounds alot to me like the "I fit in my jacket, my jacket fits in my suitcase, so I fit in my suitcase"-'logic'.
BlacksmithTWD you have completely broken down this joke to mere fractions lol
I like wine.
No, faulty logic, you love Bertrand Russel, Stephen Fry loves Bertrand Russell, therefore you you and Stephen Fry love Bertrand Russell. You may still hate Steven Fry. Cheers
Hermione Ziggeraut Fry has not asked himself with an open mind why many Catholics, like myself, enjoy deep peace and joy. He perpetuates what he believes is a fashionable antagonism to the Catholic Church and Judaeo-Christian ethics by extension.
I hardly call that an "open mind"; rather, disingenuous and cowardly and arrogant in the extreme.
who knows? We can debate forever. Relax - be as wholesome and kind as possible and try to enjoy yourself, says I.
whilst maintaining that supernatural obsessions from 2000 years ago aren't worth listening to just because the idea is out there.
U says right. Popeye say i am what i am and thats all i am
Every word he says I believe to be so true for me. I thought I was the only one that that this way for a long time. As brought up in Catholic culture I could never combine what i thought about life with their teachings. He being super orator and actor is able to express it so eloquently.
"Stations of the Cross
According to the method of St. Alphonsus Liguori
In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
My Lord Jesus Christ, Thou hast made this journey to die for me with love unutterable, and I have so many times unworthily abandoned Thee; but now I love Thee with my whole heart, and because I love Thee I repent sincerely for ever having offended Thee. Pardon me, my God, and permit me to accompany Thee on this journey. Thou goest to die for love of me; I wish also, my beloved Redeemer, to die for love of Thee. My Jesus, I will live and die always united to Thee.
The Way of the Cross
First Station
JESUS IS CONDEMNED TO DEATH
V: We adore Thee, O Christ, and we praise Thee.
R: Because by Thy holy cross Thou hast redeemed the world.
Consider that Jesus, after having been scourged and crowned with thorns, was unjustly condemned by Pilate to die on the cross.
My adorable Jesus, it was not Pilate; no it was my sins that condemned Thee to die. I beseech Thee, by the merits of this sorrowful journey, to assist my soul in it journey towards eternity. I love Thee, my beloved Jesus; I love Thee more than myself; I repent with my whole heart of having offended Thee. Never permit me to separate myself from Thee again. Grant that I may love Thee always, and then do with me what Thou wilt.
Pray the Our Father, a Hail Mary, and the Glory be.
At the cross her station keeping,
Stood the mournful Mother weeping,
Close to Jesus to the last."
I love how when people of religious faith here things like this that are completely undisputable they get uncomfortable and lash out with insults or blasphemous remarks to make them selves feel better. Standing ovation for Stephen Frey he nailed this one if you catch my drift ;b
Cliston Mott It's exactly the opposite of what you say. Atheists and possibly Protestants would be mocking, sarcastic and name-calling but not true Catholics.
Fry has not asked himself with an open mind why many Catholics, like myself, enjoy deep peace and joy. He perpetuates what he believes is a fashionable antagonism to the Catholic Church and Judaeo-Christian ethics by extension.
I hardly call that an "open mind"; rather, disingenuous and cowardly and arrogant in the extreme.
This man tops my list of favourite people to have as dinner guests, I could listen to Mr Fry all day. Such an incredible intellect with a 24 carat heart of gold
i dont need a god, but apparently he needs me so he sends these boring unintelligent people to knock on my door and stop me in the street, and he has this incessant need for money too which is quite weird. Do these religious burn the donations so noone can come to harm from the evil that is money?
who are you to say they're unintelligent! people like you make ME sick as athiesm is boring and meaningless. LET ME JUST REMIND YOU, just because YOU dont believe in God has absolutely NOTHING to do with intelligence ok so get off of it.
+Tina Smith If someone told you they still believed in Zeus, or that someone else said they believed in the tooth fairy to be real - you would call them stupid. Believing in the Christian God, it really has no more credibility than the previous examples, so it's just as stupid. You can be religious and be intelligent, belief doesn't require intelligence, just requires faith.
madzangels oh fgs! Anyone who puts the tooth fairy in comparison with a creator goes waaaaay down in the level of intelligence ok.
The frickin tooth fairy FYI has not been written about, for over 6000 years. The tooth fairy is not described as giving us MORALISTIC guidelines to live by such as 'love your neighbor as yourself'. So sorry, unless you are moraless, then YOU should stick with the immature comparison you made to God. GROW UP.
Faith in athiesm is empty, meaningless, mocks our given intelligence as a developing species and is depressing and boring. Faith none the less, so you then are just as flucking stupid as the believers on the other side.
+Tina Smith yep grow up cos believe in god it's so pathetic when are supposed to be smart
your bible has no morality they fuck with incest they killed or forgive if u killed but turn to god to ask forgiveness no can't say that u r fairytale book is good
you cant even speak properly fool. go away.
Thank you Stephen Fry, for putting my beliefs into words so beautifully. I only wish I was half as articulate as you.
he should stick to acting he is no scholar
Every time I think of myself as reasonably educated, I watch Stephen and return to reality.
Don't confuse intelligence with education.
Love this, from concept to execution, perfect video. (Well, maybe apart from the video quality, but hey, that's not the important bit here.)
This format is great - sitting a clever person down, without an overzealous interviewer interrupting every other second, and just giving the clever person a queue on what to talk about - and more importantly, NOT INTERRUPTING them. As for the content, I couldn't agree more. Stephen Fry has interesting opinions and can express himself amazingly. Thanks for the great video =)
Hedwig Art this man speaks truth
I would really love nothing more than to meet this man someday.... Ok, sure I have bigger goals in life but, meeting Sir Stephen Fry would be a lovely time.
Stephen Fry: I'm french, and he's one of the reason you've got to understand english.He knows how to teach without being boring.
Stephen Fry is such a brilliant thinker and speaker. It always staggers me that you are not allowed to work in Italy on a sunday!!
Pisses me off I can’t buy scotch on Sunday
I've never heard of this guy before. But I think I just fell in love a little. So intelligent and eloquent.
Not only very funny - but this man is a deep THINKER. Cambridge should be proud for being instrumental in the development of his intellect. Well done Stephen.
I could listen to Stephen's views on life for an eternity and live a hundred life times. His all encompassing wisdom, respect of all living things, thoughtfulness, understanding, consideration of each variable, humble nature, authentic approach to life, delicious vocabulary and tongue in cheek humour are all traits i hold dear and aspire to encompass. I really cannot state how much i admire and respect this man after all that he has accomplished and how he continues to act selflessly and teach/share with others what he knows. In regards to my own belief(s), i only have one and i don't realistically support the idea. Karma (what comes around goes around) is both a positive and/or negative force that affects us all based on how we treat one another. Therefore, if we consider how Stephen is constantly helping, sharing, teaching and putting smiles on our faces, i truly believe that, in turn, he will create a happier life in which to live in and interact with people. Granted, he does suffer from depression and not all people will respect or treat him equally, but, i still feel that his attitude towards life and interaction with other will subsequently earn him friends who'll keep him buoyant and well supported over the years so he may live a long, happy, satisfied life. For that, i am grateful :)
Man this is 7 years old. I'd like to think that the 1.2 million who saw this at least saw the point of his words. What a brilliant man.
A joy to explore this gentleman. Thanks for sharing this vid.
Mind reader so charming! You know how to be a thoughtful philosopher. I really enjoy your wit and wisdom!
The Pope was arguing with an Atheist about the existence of God and failing to get his point across. They had been arguing for two hours and finally the Pope in frustration sat down.
"Listen," said the Pope, "You are like a man in a dark room, with no lights and windows, wearing a blindfold looking for a black cat that isn't there. What do you say to that?"
The Atheist thought for a moment.
"Yes your Holiness, you are probably right," he said, "but you are also like a man in a dark room, with no lights and windows, wearing a blindfold looking for a black cat that isn't there. The only difference is, you have found the cat."
Dave Allen nailed the issue with this joke. IMHO I'm happy to strive to do my sorry best for those around me by lighting a match instead of cursing the infinitely dark question of God. Not believing in a monotheistic God does not preclude someone being a decent, loving spiritual human being. Being the latter is challenging enough.
not a gay man but would happily spend all my days with stephen talking about everything under the sun. a marvelous man with a love of life and knowledge, will be a shame to lose him as we all age, a living treasure
Like coming back to this video of Stephens every so often. As he totally reflects my views on life.
Stephen Fry is a person i get inspired by.
One primitive defence is to split good from bad, then idealise the good bits and deny and project the bad. It can be seen in some religions, everything is perfect, we are all good, but other people are bad. Integration of both is the challenge. We learn more from people who annoy us than anyone else. Own the bad bits, they are in us all. Well said Stephen. Spot on.
i love this man, in the most fucking gay way possible..
Wow. I never realized that, compared to other gods (Roman gods, Greek gods, Egyptian gods, etc) the Roman Catholic God is probably the most boring supernatural entity ever to have been conceived by humans, and was probably conceived by the laziest of religion-builders. The God of Abraham takes literally almost no imagination to comprehend; he is simply imbued with all of these superlatives (omniscience, omnipotence, omnibenevolence, etc.) without any rational thought as to how they might conflict with one another. This being is male, for some unexplained reason. This being literally spends most of eternity doing nothing, at some point decides to create a universe, an earth, people, animals, etc. takes seven days to do this, and then sits back down to do nothing again. Well, except to occasionally give some few individuals happiness (while allowing the rest of the planet to suffer), strike down nonbelievers, and command his followers to strike down nonbelievers and convince other people that a supernatural God exists without the slightest bit of supernatural help. He essentially leaves people to dupe themselves through coincidences and random horrific life events that there is a God, as he doesn't even care to give the slightest bit of undeniable evidence of his own existence.
Even the Greek gods were *so* much more fascinating to conceptualize. Apollo, riding in his chariot every day across the sky to bring day and night. The gods got jealous, angry, lustful, happy, mournful, and they actually had interesting, colorful interactions on earth. *These* are stories to tell your children to excite their imagination. The Bible stories just fail to ascribe any sort of unique personality to God. This guy is just not up to par on a literature perspective. And this guy is supposed to be the one and only God (all other gods humanity came up with are fakes)?
The God of Abraham is the god writers come up with when they are tired, bored, and have run out of good ideas for new deities.
dont knock it till you've studied it.
dont knock it till you've studied it.
+BattlesuitExcalibur Yea, i agree. Instead of giving their god character any form of defining character traits, the writers of the bible just make it look like he's perfect and above everything, which is incredibly lazy writing.
LeCheckmate no youre wrong. Try the account where moses is able to talk to Yhwh about not destroying the people in the desert. He doesnt do it. Try his tolerance of polygamy for a while and slavery. He just tolerated it yet set guidelines to make it fair.
Try where it states how God felt regret and how his heart was grieved during the corruption from the fallen angels. Obviously you're another one who needs a bible study!
Tina Smith And you need to stop misrepresenting the word of the bible.
The guidelines god set were in no way fair.
I watch this video when I want to be injected with a little dose of hope for humanity.
Taylor Hood ...in reply....is that the hope... there is no God,?
maybe the hope that people understand the world that we live in and maybe accept that it could not only be a benevolent god
+Fritula 6 "is that the hope... there is no God," ...your god Demands FAITH, with proof Faith has no place to exist.
Without proof, god has no place to exist.
One does not need to hope there is no god.
You have only hope that there is
Bible "truths" are a mere bread crumb trail, embellished by imagination,
fueled by fear and superstition.
Fear of a god who uses GENOCIDE as a calling card
YOU should hope he doesn't
An elegant and eloquent wordsmith. Stephen is an inspiration, a muse and a force of rational thought. Long live Stephen Fry.
I bloody love this man.
The known universe itself will suddenly be stricken with overwhelming ignorance when the time comes that Stephen Fry is no longer here to lead us with his boundless intelligence & blessed intent.
"Where is your god now?" Pure brilliance. *applause*
Not brilliant. It's merely just as emotional a reaction as he accuses Christians of having. If he does not think that Christians should see beauty in the world and thank God for it, then he cannot see what he considers ugliness and use that as an argument against God. What he says there isn't even pointing out a contradiction--which he believes it to be--its merely balancing his perceptions against theirs, and why is his any better than theirs? Because he includes more? He doesn't. He merely hasn't said what the Christians do with what he points out as distressing about the world. They have no place in this video except as straw whipping-boys for his biases. Has he quoted any? There's not even any anecdotal evidence of any serious discussion with them. He may have had some, but he does not show it.
He speaks astonishingly badly about the effects of believing in an afterlife. First, one does not accept or deny a fact or concept because of the effects that it will have. Those are quite irrelevant to truth, but he uses it as the foundation of his thought on the truth of the afterlife. Second, he's absolutely wrong about hte effects of such a belief. The existence of universities--in Europe started by churchmen and in Arabia started my Islamic scholars of which there have been many. Look at the names of the stars. Most of them are Arabic because in the Middle Ages the greatest scientists in the world were Islamic. Hospitals were built by churchmen who firmly believed in an afterlife. Even in the Early Church in Rome there were the paraboli, 'the reckless ones,' who would sacrifice themselves for others in plague-time, and it was such a popular office that some churches in some of the larger cities had to limit the number of them. The entire British school system--of which he is a product--was built originally by the medieval Church, and parts of it exist to this day.
Listen again to his description of the philosophers that he likes-he makes passing mention of some, but he misses their heart. Even when he describes Bertrand Russell, he speaks not of his philosophy, but of his history of philosophy, which is not philosophy. And he calls Kant 'simple'? He can't possibly have read him well. Try all three of his 'Critiques' and see if he's 'simple.'
This entire video is one long emotional description. There's no logic in it, no progress from proposition to conclusion. He's a very nice fellow from all that I can see, but on this he's just wrong.
@Sam But you are filtering *your* perceptions through an illogical filter that has no evidence or reason in it. You certainly show none.
@Sam So you can be logical or not depending on someone else's level of logicality? You realize that that is not logical?
@Sam _This is about you tossing aside Stephen Fry's sound logic_
OK, give an example.
such an admirable perspective on things! New-found love for Stephen Fry!
Unbelief is a very important tool for a Man thru all his dealings in this lifetime, because thru it..and by it, we learn to question all things, to study,to test ,to reason against it or by it, to validate all inquiries and all declarative propositions of this life..thus one of the most effective ways to attain the absolute Truth.
Probably the greatest points that Fry makes are his mentioning of the Greek view of gods, and the questioning of needing some higher authority in order to do good and be kind. For the Greek idea that whatever powers exist (if any) are capricious if nothing else makes more sense than any other view of them because of how inconsistent the world around us is. A tornado can destroy the majority of a town, but leave a single plot of land unharmed. Diseases can kill thousands, but leave the person who was around all those sick people perfectly healthy. There really is no consistency in the world.
Also, the idea that, even if there is an afterlife (doubtful to my mind, and either way we have no objective proof for either side of that argument) you should life your life as if there wasn't one. Because that view makes you really think about your choices, not for fear of some large authority punishing you, but because you realize that what matters is what you do for other people, not for some authority figure you can't see.
Personally, I think the most important view to have is that you shouldn't believe in and act as if things like Justice, Duty, Mercy, Love, Compassion, Kindness or any other good thing in life actually exist simply because some higher power told you to believe in them. You should believe in and act on those principles because they are what make the world a better place, even if they don't actually exist out there in the universe. They don't have to: we can create them. The universe is not just. It is not kind. It is uncaring, generally dark, and always ends in death. But if nothing else, while we are here we can make the world a happier place. And that is a better reason than 'because someone told me to do it' to be a decent person. Because it is the right thing to do. Might as well be nice to people, otherwise what's the point in living in a world where everyone is a selfish ass?
Cheers for owning virtually every argument you see on TH-cam or from an apologist in one fell swoop Stephen!
Why is it that a secular nation finds it difficult to express it's atheism. Good stuff Stephen. Atheists are required to be vocal this side of the Atlantic.
'It's atheism'? Isn't that expecting most people to be as you'd like or as you are? Perhaps a 'secular nation' is secular in its institutions but not in its people. Don't most people believe in some kind of God?
Aristo Telian Yes your right a secular nation does not mean that the people are necessarily atheist. I know very few theists and feel that in the UK most people are atheist or mildly deistic.
Niken Perhaps that simply means that Americans are more interesting.
Aristo Telian Perhaps they don't have the bloody religious history that Europe had nor the insight of Darwin.
Mark Macdonald There's much more to it than that. The 'religious history' is seldom about religion. Study Social Identity Theory. For centuries they were members of a 'group' which usually was more national than religious. Europeans fought over territory and trade far more than over religion. Within a nation, yes, it happened that one religious monarch would persecute members of another religion, but that wasn't over religion so much as loyalty, in the same way that Stalin and Mao persecuted and killed those who had a religion at all. Join a group--socialism, capitalism, religion or atheism--and one defends it.
Stephen has a truly enlightened and a brilliant mind.. If we all were more like him, we would live in a much happier and peaceful world :-)
Wow, Stephen Fry just explained how I have felt all these years way better than I ever could.
"If there were a God, he would want us to be better spirited than to take his word for everything."
What a spectacular thought!
I think polytheism (for want of a better term) is a natural state for the human mind. As history shows, monotheists will commonly amend their canon with the likes of saints, heroes, legendary figures, and most recently, celebrity icons. Even many atheists succumb to that mindset in some form without realizing it's the same unconscious impulse driving it.
I think bread is god too.
Indomitus1973 there are around 3000 gods, most people who believe only believe in one god and not the other 2999. The athesit goes one better.
Can anyone tell me where I can get the full complicated argument against the morality argument? I wish he went into a little detail here as it seems interesting
Yeah, I lean towards Greek thinking when I allow myself to indulge in that kind of stuff, which I find to be a useful exercise when I'm working through a personal quandary.
I have a quarrel with people of faith because they're holding the rest of us back!!!
Hey Samuel, Jesus loves you. Yes, you were on His mind that day he died on that cross. He endured it all for the thought of gaining you into His Kingdom one day. No matter how far you may be, His love can still reach you. Just call on to Him, He’s right there with you.
From what?
To all you who are debating ON BOTH SIDES about some kind of "god" existing, let me give you a bit of sound advice. That which is neither provable, nor disprovable, is not worth pondering; it is better to assume whichever scenario is most likely.
Better to argue the likelihood of (a) god existing than argue the existence of (a) god.
That will settle things down...
Which would be that the earth was designed for life and we are morally accountable to our designer who has shown Himself to us decidedly in the person of Jesus Christ.
9pt9 Was this design natural or intelligent? ......There is no proof for either.
how can you prove that jesus christ was his son and that he did all those miracles that are written?
Thank God philosophers don't think like you! 😉
Stephen Fry, I've always admired your humor but never realized what a brilliant mind you have. I do think ethical philosophers have intended their moral theories to provide codes to live by, that is, that they weren't merely asking interesting questions. Kantian ethics, consequentialism, and pragmatism, for example, are answers rather than questions. And the fact that we don't follow those codes doesn't mean they weren't intended as codes to live by. I look forward to playing more of your videos. The one on language pedantry was wonderful, too.
Stephen Fry is one of my favorite philosophers. He would deny being one, which kinda makes him more of one.
I personally feel, as I learn more about how the natural word works, that it is even more wonderous that there is no god than if it were just created by one.
9:04 I wish people like Jordan Peterson, whom I appreciate for his psychological and philosophical education, would be open to such an obvious claim.
I'm left marveling at what kind of country we'd be enjoying if we had more Stephen Frys and George Carlins and less Jimmy Swaggerts and George W. Bushes. The level of mental and moral orthodoxy in our national consciousness is truly disheartening.
It's nice to know that every one has got an answer. I admire all these wits and perspectives of life. It is as if everybody has got life all figured out. Both atheists and believers.
And the best part: I'll impose and compel the other to accept my vision of life.
Why is it so hard to accept one another? And why must I choose sides?
Why can't I establish my prerogatives to believe or not in what I want? What if there is a God and he establishes that same prerogative to reveal himself to whom he chooses? Wouldn't that render this whole debate useless?
Can't I accept the physical evidence science provides me to use it as a tool for my life's survival and at the same time think that life and this universe has to have some other purpose than the effort every life or energy system puts into perpetuate itself or its offspring?
Really, I would think that a decent person would accept people no matter their life's vision and would not try to impose their believe either atheist, monotheistic or polytheistic. After all it is in working together that man has achieved improvement or evolution for itself.
But here’s the thing, Stephen (realizing that this is old commentary), as a computer programmer, I hired onto a company in North Carolina, where I worked and made friends for three years. Others around us, the deep Christians of this Deep South area, do not believe animals have a soul, as they DO believe Christians have, and so neglecting, or even torturing animals (I would think this includes lambs, worms, dogs, any) is okay. Dog and cockfights were common. A woman who bred beagles had to put a top over her outside kennel, for her beagles were being stollen for dog fights. One of my work friends spent her off hours rescuing cats and dogs from inhumane treatment. (I could tell you many more stories from her experiences.) Hunters, no longer thinking their dog to be a good hunter, merely dropped it off alongside a road. When I was moving back north, I overheard one of my movers say, “I never thought that dog would last so long.”
My friend, the rescuer, had one of her rescues die of cancer. She had kept and cared for it seven years. It was like her child. When she came into work, she made a lighthearted remark to one of our programmers, that she was sure her beloved pet was in doggie heaven. That man attacked her, telling her didn’t she know that dogs had no soul? She was heart broken, not that she believed his statements, but because she was in shock over his callousness, as well as his Christianity based ignorance. (I’m not saying that she or I claim to know what happens, but hardly does a Christian.) The next day, seeing her arrive at work, he made a point of attacking her again.
Change of topic: Mornings, driving to work, I would listen in amazement to a black peoples’ radio program wherein the speaker, every morning, incited blacks to hate whites. This was the year 2000. I was happy to leave that part of America.
Reaching for the infinite makes us human but telling people they can actually reach it is madness.
Blood Puzzle ...in reply....
the infinite reaches out to you. He died loving you, even if you don't want him.
i never noticed his nose. Now I can't stop staring at it...
Such an incredibly well educated man, and on top of that he owns it without looking down on others.
thanks for the talk of mozart i love his work
Religion inhibits progression.
+Alex Rogers I would clarify that i's dogma which inhibits progression, it just so happens most religions are inherently dogmatic. So you're half true. Some religions are less of a threat than others to progression. There are dogmatic political ideologies that inhibit progression too. But generally i agree with the sentiment.
+Alex Rogers Religion enabled progression, that's the irony. Without religion we'd still be in huts, huddled around a fire in family units and smoking herbs.
+toy mangle if you are propositioning that religion has caused quite somw wards, which have sparked a need for innovation and progress then yes, religion has sparked progress. Otherwise I think the dogmatic nature religion has on morality and knowledge on the whole has limited civilisation rather then expanded it.
+Dirk M. Schut I doubt it. Religious dogma keeps our animal side in check - are you suggesting if we followed our animal desires we'd be some fantastic, space-faring race of proto-humans? xDD
+toy mangle I'm not saying that we would be spacefaring protohumans, though to be fair, we are spacefairing, though try to keep close to our starting point for now. What I am saying is, that religious dogma has a tenedency to inhibit free thought in the sense of science taking assumptions against that very religion. situations like Galileo's moon discovery comes to mind, as well as the poercieved notion of the world being flat, even though scientists and mathematicians had calculated the earth being spherical well before that. Now I could be wrong, but I would consider that to be counteracting to the expansion of knowledge and scientific achievement.
By the way, speaking of our darker and near animalistic tendencies: it'sno secret that the Nazi's (amongst others) conducted science that would have never gone forward under religious dogma (or any sense of ethics, really). Now, please note that I am not condoning these sorts of practices, neither am I suggesting that I endorse science to the detriment of man's fellow man, or animal. What remains, regrettably, is that these expriments have furtheredscience and that the results fomr these experiments ahve afterwards been used to great effect by subsequent researchers. So, yes, the complete absence of any sort of ethics and/or religious dogma could very well have enabled us to be spacefaring protohumans.
That said, religious dogma has incited quite a number of wars, bringing out the worst in people trying to off each other and 'inspiring' people to off each other in various new, interesting and innovative ways which have helped scientistsdevice peacful applications for our further comfort.
there are 2 gods, one that we create, and the one that is
Good one
You are totally right! The one that I create is Yaweh, the one that is ... is Zeus. All hail the mighty Zeus!
george baker Stephen Fry and Chuck Norris.
Mr. Fry. You are the one true man for our times!; thoughtful, humble (sometimes), self-efacing(always), erudite and forth rite. Truly a voice to be heard for the thinking man. Hurrah and hurrah again! Well met dear man.
I watched BA all the time, when i was young. just to see the man, Steven.. that man can have any pref, he likes..my ears would still be tuned in
I used to be a god but then i took an arrow in the knee.
Ha ha ha how very funny.
Why do we comment on TH-cam videos in all its futility?
I think the thing I would want to try and have in common with Stephen fry, is to be a good enough orator as to coax genuine laughs and smiles out ones own antagonists. It’s a level of interpersonal skill that I envy
what were the words he said at 4.55? intinene and axedy? i couldnt hear them
Erm... Stephen, Kant definitely put forward a "moral code" to tell us how to live
so did bentham, mill and aristotle. But they are merely opinions on how we should live. They are as subjective as any belief.
Righto. No idea why you think *all* beliefs are subjective though. Some are true, and objectively so.
So my belief that 1+1=2 is just as subjective as my belief in moral matters, for instance? Come off it.
By defining all beliefs as subjective, you're just mudding the waters and making clear conversation hard for no particular reason.
But is my *belief* that 1+1=2 objective, or subjective? Or my *belief* that all bachelors are unmarried?
It seems to be that the truth of these propositions has nothing to do with personal inclination or attitude.
The vast majority of self-deceived people like vain arguments like Fry's and what he thinks is his relevant and fashionable antagonism to the Catholic Church. The Church loves all people and cares for their happiness. It condemns homosexuality the behaviour, not the homosexual. It does not condemn behaviour that it doesn't prescribe a cure for:
www.truechristianity.info/en/articles/article0181.php
Magnífico librepensador.
Si pudiera contactar con el señor Fry de algún modo le recomendaría esto:
www.fdrurl.com/UPBPDF
I would want a mega book consisting of contributions from Fry, Dawkins, Gervais, Degrasse Tyson and many more with their thoughts and arguments about Religion. What a wonderful read that would've been. Our own "Bible". I also believe the bit from 5:00 to 8:50 should be it's own video. Great work!
That was always the most confusing part of being a Catholic...I have free will, but I am unable to utilize it the way I chose...because I am innately sinful and unable to act morally without a guide. Doesn't the gift of "free" will lose meaning by that logic?
LOL. The comments.
Stephen Fry is my God (joke)
I part ways with him on a key point. In my view, the best way to prepare for the afterlife, is to fully and actively apply oneself in this life. Sort of like, perhaps, the best way to gain knowledge on a new subject is to apply oneself to every second of study... and not just sit in class and pick one's nose. To just sit back and ignore this life on the premise that there is more (which I think there is) is, well, like picking your nose in class.
Well that's to some degree his point isn't it? It sounds like you're not parting with him at all! He's saying "whether there is or isn't an afterlife you should make the most of this life" You're saying "if there is an afterlife we should make the most of this life" eh?
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Good point raised here.
Would any of us be able to learn anything while enjoying the 'second life'?
If all the people on earth that belive in a God go to heaven, then heaven would become Hell. I am an atheist, I belive in mother nature, love, peace, and prosperity for all. :-)
Ha ha, lol Very funny. Many People that belive in God are corrupt and do Evil things. like kill other people in the name of God, molest children, rape ther wifes. beat there kids. ect ect, then they just ask God for forgivness and carry on with life as if they have done nothing wrong. ( not to mention all the bad things done in the past in the name of God. They also accuse ALL Atheists of being corrupt because Atheists choose not to belive in a God. No one can prove there is a God. Do You also believe in the loch ness monster, the yetee, fairies, and the father christmas. Who needs a God ( Father ) that allows so much misery on this planet and if you dont love and worship him, sends you to hell, to suffer for eternity. Would you do that to your children if they do not love and worship you.
+Jack Barr I feel very sorry for you, mate. Such a warm family have there. Please don't bring your family to hell with you.
+Visal Soun Dont worry, he's Atheist, he will keep his family away from all the religion's child abuse, misoginy and brainwashing so he will be very far from hell.
Visal Soun LOL, All religious leaders are making zombies out of their dumb sheep :-) See Video . This is hell:
facebook.com/Mr.Facebrooks/videos/906394119475022/
+shaqpopcorn34 Give me one reputable source that claims "nothing exploded and created everything".
Choosing the nice bits has been the standard practice of those who have been upholding the Bible as the quintessential guide for their theism. Many scriptures, in particular the Old Testament, have been advocating such heinous acts as stoning disobedient children and describing castration as precluding entrance to Heaven.
Not stoning disobedient children. Don't depend on second-hand knowledge. Study the meaning of the words and look up parallel passages to see if it actually says that. You'll find that it does not. The words and like texts show that the 'son' (it never says 'child') is grown, he's a violent drunk, and the village elders must judge his punishment, but it's up to them to determine it. The capital punishment is an option, but it is not mandatory (No 'three strikes' law, either). There is also no record of this punishment ever being carried out.
Now, shall we go to the New Testament, with it's 'love your neighbor' or even 'love your enemy' (when was the last time you did that?), and show how primitive that is.
***** What are you talking about ?
***** You confuse modern sensibilities with universal moralities. I believe another term for that is 'chronological snobbery,' or 'why hasn't everybody in history done as we do today?'
If we went back in history and talked to those folks, would they agree with us?
And how do we get people to change long-held cultural beliefs?
The beliefs that people had once upon a time were quite different from ours, but all times have been fallen. We know something about this--it's what makes the world so untidy and dangerous. Any time that people get involved, the result is a mess. We can straighten it out (more or less) eventually, but it's a crooked road getting there.
So the world is fallen and bent, including the world of the ancient Middle East. How to fix that? Baby steps. Anything larger and people won't listen. Example: Socrates. Tiberius Gracchus. Or the prophet Jeremiah, who had the king's blessing to go tear down altars to Molech and Ashur, and the people of some of the towns with such altars tried to kill him.
Baby steps--the only way for lasting change.
So the Bible starts out with small changes, such as a fair trial, two or more witnesses, incontrovertible proof. Inculcating a love of the truth in spite of one's wishes is dificult in modern times. Here we're dealing with an ancient Bronze Age society.
Jesus said about divorce that it was never supposed to exist, but because people insist on it, then it must be done under certain constraints. Stoning is the same way.
You'll notice that Israel grew out of it? It seems to have worked.
***** You obviously did not read my post. That makes your implication that you have read the Bible suspect.
Take out 'I believe,' then. Take out that whole sentence. The meaning of the post doesn't change, which means that 'I believe' is not the key word in the text.
***** Humans created the slavery they later had to abolish--except that in some places it still exists.
While your question is an interesting mental exercise, it's still speculation, so we must go carefully in it.
It depends on where one was at the time. In the Code of Hammurabi, nobles were treated differently--better--from common people. After the Neolithic Revolution, patriarchy arose and strengthened all over the world (less so in some places, but it existed everywhere). In China during the Han Dynasty, people were confined in occupational boxes not much less strict than the caste/jati system of India. Rome was at least one-third slaves, slavery was all over Africa during the Axum/Ghana/Mali empires, in Athens women were strictly confined to the home and in Sparta women were soldier-baby producers.
So I really don't think that we can say with certainty that life would have been any better without the Church or the Bible, because it wasn't all that great in places that didn't have either.
And of course I have heard of a revolution, but people get killed in revolutions. Rome's three Servile Wars, the wars prompted by the death of Tiberius Gracchus, the French Revolution, the October Revolution, Syria today.
Only those who have not lived through one would speak of one so easily.
Stephen Fry is an incredibly intelligent man and he puts his views forward in a very polite, non-offensive, well put together way that it is very tough not to agree with him, let alone dislike him.
I'm in love with his mind! Such a treasure.
It's crazy that people still believe that a god exists.
Such is creation, I mean there is no one to complain about, it's what it is.
I feel sorry for the lamb
I really like, sir, what you have to say about forging our own ethical framework.
I also really like what you say about a God not wanting us to take everything at face value. I absolutely agree.
However, I would like to say that a majority of people that claim to be "religious" have never read these spooky "texts" of which we like to argue about, and even then, those that have have only read one particular framework's texts, and perhaps not very thoroughly. :P
Interesting video. I may just have to watch your hour-long interview. :)
I was puzzled by what he almost said at 4:51 before he interrupted himself. The transcript reads "...indolence in a divine sense actually has its uses". What he actually says is "Though of course indolence in a divine way, accidie as it's... has its advantages... Oh shut up, Stephen."
So the mystery word is "accidie", from the Latin acedia, which in turn is an adoption of the Greek ἀκηδία, meaning a state of non-caring. From the OED: "Acēdia became a favourite ecclesiastical word, applied primarily to the mental prostration of recluses, induced by fasting, and other physical causes; afterwards the proper term for the 4th cardinal sin, sloth, sluggishness."
Religion is like dogs laughing at cats for praying to god for mice to fall from the sky when everyone knows that when you pray to god what falls from the sky are bones!
He misses the point of Buddhism completely, though. Buddhism is not about being nice or whatever... It's just about dealing with one's own pain and suffering. It's a way of life. It's not a philosophy. And it doesn't pretend to be a philosophy. In the same way that you may be a vegetarian and still ask philosophical questions. Though some might treat it as a religion, I admit. I don't consider my religion to be Buddhism. Buddhism doesn't have a god or divine being or whatever.
+Aditya C congrats, can you get all the other buddhist to agree with you.
"Buddhism doesn't have a god or divine being or whatever." Especially this one.
I'm not Buddhist. I'm atheist. As I said, I don't consider my religion to be Buddhism. I don't align myself with any religion. I just understand what Buddhism is.
But I find his strange feeling that western thought is somehow superior to eastern thought, is strange, as I said, but also troubling, especially for somebody, who often claims to be enlightened.
Aditya C If you say that you understand what Buddhism is why do so many Buddhist disagree then with you?
Where? I haven't received any notifications for anybody who has tagged me in any comment, showing that they disagree...
Further, Buddhism DOESN'T have a god. This is a classical tenant of Buddhism. It is the reason why, originally, Siddhartha Gautama did not want his figure to be made into a statue. Usually, only footprints, or such. The idea was that "everybody is/ could be Buddha."
Further, this explains why much of early Buddhist writing is without identified author. It's bad practice to identify one's self or take ownership. Rather, use pseudonyms or leave the writing without putting a name on the writing itself.
Now, of course, as time went on, people started making sculptures of him. (see Ghandara sculptures)
Authors started to claim authorship for their works.
While I am unaware of any Buddhists, who disagree with me, in this TH-cam comment thread, I am certain that many Buddhists still disagree. But I think one would have a hard time showing me Buddhist literature, in which there is any mention of a creator god, or a personal god, of any form or shape.
Aditya C Wow what a long comment for a simple question.
I am asking why other buddhist do not agree with you? especially the divine being thing. You know those lovely devas and daemons, and more.
What I am saying is that your opinion is hardly universal. Your understanding of bhudism I could not accept as correct, until you shown evidence. And considering its a "philosphy" or a religion you will not be able to do that.
Stephen Fry is a very special man. I wish I had such a BRAIN! He is just phenomenal! Please keep uploading videos like this absolutely amazing! An invitation to RATIONAL AND INTELLIGENT debates.
I could listen to Mr. Fry all day and never feel bored.
I gave up after 5 mins. This guy can ramble. Holy fuck.