As a former epeeist, I use my jab as a stop thrust and my right hand as a single tempo counter attack. But I have crap head movement and hate the clinch distance, lol
That's exactly what I was thinking- I have slanted my style of swordplay to be incredibly focused on this aspect of defense and counter-attacking, because it's so reliable if you have a solid defense. It does make watching you fight more boring, but damn, is it effective.
I like how when you're teaching that last thing, it's to a trained fighter but also one who never does that type of move before. So there's the bit of trying to understand and not being fast with it. Shows the average person that you're not alone. Even the pros take take to get something down.
I wanted to know the difference without gloves and was scared to ask and sound like a training dodger or “in the streets” guy and then you covered it. Love you two together. Great video.
As a lefthanded person I would like to point out that this works possibly even better against other handed opponents. It is a true jab then, but it really has a high percentage for me.
Nice to hear!! I am right handed and usually lead with the left. However at times I shift sides in order to set certain things up and this is one of those times. So in a serie of lets say jabs the first is handled at slightly more distance, moving "backward" by switching stance (left foot move back, right foot is in basicaly the same position), kind of leaving the head almost where it was as a target on purpose to lure in that second jab. When the second left jab comes the right foot leads and the parry is done with the right hand (so the same side). By doing this it is also possible to adjust the distance when doing the counter (which can also lead into a take down fom the outside for example, or be followed up with a imidiate left). So basically a stance switch to setting it up like I was left handed 🙂
This right here is something I have never been taught properly but having a sword fighting background comes in natural through the use of somewhat similar setting up to counter stuff. Especially the sword and shield combo has taught me a lot of this. Yes, the shield is an assault weapon, not a defensive item. Its defensive item that packs a mean punch.
I saw the title and as I was opening this video, I thought "no one gets a free swing" and then it was the first line of the video. Awesome. Love all the kung fu nerd-ery in this video! I like the shovel hook to just under the ribs after the parry (in wing chun they do it with a low palm strike). I also like stepping into an elbow (over or under the opponent's arm) with the parrying side, almost like a check hook. If you're deep enough already, you can also throw that arrow punch as a spearing elbow and its nasty. (That's another bit of kung fu nerd-ery.) Since you brought up bong sau...I'll also add that in wing chun, you often try to punch such that the line your punch travels is also effectively a parry. That's one of the reasons the arms on the wooden dummy are spaced the way they're spaced. You see it in all the pretty wing chun demos when the counter strikes scrapes over the forearm/elbow of the incoming punch.
Southpaw here. I originally learnt this in kung fu and spam it relentlessly in muay thai. Few people have an answer for it. I even use it offensively to clear the guard. Another neat thing to do with it is use the parry to pull into a roundhouse kick.
Liked the video. There are lots of cool techniques like the elbow block (often employed by fighters using cross guard like Archie Moore, George Foreman, etc.) in boxing when you explore all the old guards and transitioning from one to the other.
For all your striking instruction videos, You should really also show how to do it/what it'd look like for a short person versus a tall person with LONG reach.
That's very similar to what my grandfather taught me. Except in the way I was taught to punch into their punch with a defending fist. Start with the fist vertical by the head, then punch forward but lower the fist so it impacts horizontal. It's sort of like a straight punch mizmxed with the arc of a hammer fist but more subtle. By doing this you impact, catch & deflect their punch with your forearm bone (ulna). Drive your ulna across their forearm like a saw & at the same time opening them up to your counter punch.
Nice, addressed most my concerns with my inexperience in sparring and potential lack of experience. Forcing reactions definitely makes things seem less daunting when you know what's coming at least on entry.
Wing Chun Mike ; ) Like the techniques, feel like WC applied in context is where it is properly understood (I’ve done it for 18 years and lean far more towards practical and testing feedback). Interesting stuff.
Yea, the problem with Wing Chun ain't that "it doesn't work in a real fight". The problem is that it wasn't pressure tested and evolved enough, in general, to be legit for real fights. There are of course some lineages and teachers that have taken this approach though. And, that's a version of WC I'd like to train
Ayyy that's the same principle of the elbow block on the philly shell. I was always taught that same defense if your opponent was trying to counter you off your jab. Really cool to see the Philly shell's kung fu ancestry explained.
There's a technique I learned a long time ago where you perry a strike down with one hand and the same hand comes back up to strike under the chin, I always liked the idea of defending with a hand and then attacking with the same hand when they're not expecting it.
Her nodding in the begging is hilarious! I rewatched it 15 times. And her movements are crisp. Great video! I'm wondering though, why is she rotating the fist in her jab so much? She obviously knows what she's doing, so there must be a good reason.
The savate guys I trained with in France caught me, then taught me this down parry to same hand counter. Except, we parried and countered back with the jab. Both definitely work, and it sucks getting hit with it.
Very interesting!! A style I've trained make use of a very similar move, at times from a near identical stance (even with the pinkies out). However it is mostly done with the other foot leading (so same foot as arm) and then closing in a bit with that leading foot when counter to adjust the dibstance and "umph". The style also train with swords and many of the movemets are basically the same, and yes this move is used with swords also. So it was very interesting to see in the comments that both classical fencing and sword and shield (HEMA?), both being single handed weapons, use this as well when the sword my style use is primarly two handed. Keep up the good work!
HEMA means historical European martial arts, so yeah sword and shield fits. It covers pretty much any European weapon style (quarterstaff, longsword, greatsword, messer, rapier, etc)
I love the counter to the counter. I've been doing it by accident for a long time but I noticed a couple little things you're doing that I'm gonna try to add
In karate there is an alternative which is more suited for low guards/if you are smaller/jabs against the forehead. the big difference is that the parry is from the inside with the elbow/shoulder and the movement is more unified. Its one of the first movements you are taught, its in the beginning of the first katas if i remember correctly Seth used it in a video maybe in your gym after Jesse gave him some traditional karate tips
I like doing parries. At my first mma gym, I did some sparring with a girl beginner and I only used 1 arm to defend(part of the exercise) and I used a lot of wingchun parries and bon-sao. But as it went on, she kept learning how to get around my 1 hand, and eventually had me using both hands to defend, as well as, my arms were getting tired cuz we did this for a while.
I also like to do the same thing with high guard or generali someone who dont tuck his elbow in. Just push it down and strait it to his face, to open one or 2 more punches after that.
@@Jenjak yup! All that clay you're shaping and cutting away has to come from somewhere! We've always treated JKD less as a body of techniques, then a handful of tools and principles you can use as a way to approach learning martial arts in general. But just saying that has probably summoned an angry originalist, haha.
@@philosopherboy I was just messing with you a little bit. There is always that comment "we do that too in JKD" under a technique video. ^^ I just find it funny. Even if there's truth to it, no disrespect here.
A really good counter to this parry is faking that jab halfway and go for a hook instead then a cross the the body. I learned it when my opponents get too repetitive with it. 😁👌
Very nice technique! there is a very small obscure channel (like mine) called Dangerous Waters MMA where the teacher goes through many types of blocking and this is one of then, but you dived in deeper. I remember the guy saying it should feel like skipping rocks. The channel has great excercises for judo combinations, by the way. Also that elbow counter can be found in Heian Sandan, the 3rd heian from Karate, the technique is called Empi Uke,there are many bunkai interpretations for that movement. Thanks for the video! Great stuff.
@10:56 As someone who thought they invented this punch, I approve of the name Arrow Punch...ironically Green Arrow is what I'm currently watching on Netflix 😆
But if the face is inviting, wide-open body is at least as inviting, too. Matte black gloves look great. Coincidentally I've just ordered a pair of Messengers from Pakistan in matte black today. Hope they arrive!
I was wondering how I can implement this move for my competition. I don't wanna lay back and wait for the counter shot to come. It's only a 2 minute round. One round. I like that concept of simply moving forward to force the opponent to create the situation you are looking for
I love this. Saw it on human weapon and started spamming it. Never seen the counter though that's awesome. Mike do you have a video explaining the false lead?
I'm about to turn 48 years old, and I'm 220lbs, this is my go-to move against my fellow students who are in their twenties and much "leaner" therefore much faster than me lol I land all the time lol I have actually developed a similar technique for when I check a kick I can launch a snap kick right into their side without putting my foot down which would be the Kik equivalent of this move.
The rocket ship is a cool analogy but what has worked for me is imagining skipping a rock. My fist hits their fist like the water and I continue that momentum like a rock skipping to their face. Thoughts?
Unrelated to the video, I had a question: What do you think of Master Wongs lunging elbow that shows up in almost every one of his videos? Is this MMA legal? Master Wong is generally geared toward bare knuckle, self defense situations. Is that worth doing in the ring? I personally think even if it is legal the assumed level of pressure and engagement is a lot higher in a self defense situation; whereas competition is a lot more in-and-out. How does that change the efficacy of the move in your opinion? Edit: Now that I'm finishing the video I shouldn't even say unrelated. Crazy that my question happened to work with the lesson!
I've noticed most parry drill videos have them counter after the parry I've been wondering why since it's not really much harder to parry and counter at the same time
Woah. I know Kung Fu....... Thanks Mike, that is very cool. Seems like it would be really cool with the Philly Shell. And in Muay Thai you could maybe step in after that chicken wing block since they might be overwhelmed?
Makes perfect sense. Magicians call it "forcing". When they say "pick a card. Any card." They already know the card yer gonna pick and the rest of the trick follows. Same principle, right?
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I learned this in fencing and it translated so beautifully to boxing that it was my signature technique in the gym for awhile.
I tell guys all the time to take a fencing class to work footwork and parries
As a former epeeist, I use my jab as a stop thrust and my right hand as a single tempo counter attack.
But I have crap head movement and hate the clinch distance, lol
That's exactly what I was thinking- I have slanted my style of swordplay to be incredibly focused on this aspect of defense and counter-attacking, because it's so reliable if you have a solid defense. It does make watching you fight more boring, but damn, is it effective.
BOXING IS FENCING PARRY REPOSTE= DEFLECT ATTACK YOU DO THE SAME IN BOXING.
im a fencer and im looking to start boxing and this comment made me feel excited to try this parry stuff lol.
"Skipping a rock" + keeping elbow low + vertical fist = Wing Chun concept
My thought exactly
I like how when you're teaching that last thing, it's to a trained fighter but also one who never does that type of move before.
So there's the bit of trying to understand and not being fast with it.
Shows the average person that you're not alone. Even the pros take take to get something down.
As a kung fu nerd, I appreciate you cribbing from our textbook. Good fighting is good fighting.
I wanted to know the difference without gloves and was scared to ask and sound like a training dodger or “in the streets” guy and then you covered it. Love you two together. Great video.
Bong sau for the counter off what's basically a pak sau and strike! You're all kinds of kung fu today Mike.
As a lefthanded person I would like to point out that this works possibly even better against other handed opponents. It is a true jab then, but it really has a high percentage for me.
Nice to hear!! I am right handed and usually lead with the left. However at times I shift sides in order to set certain things up and this is one of those times.
So in a serie of lets say jabs the first is handled at slightly more distance, moving "backward" by switching stance (left foot move back, right foot is in basicaly the same position), kind of leaving the head almost where it was as a target on purpose to lure in that second jab.
When the second left jab comes the right foot leads and the parry is done with the right hand (so the same side). By doing this it is also possible to adjust the distance when doing the counter (which can also lead into a take down fom the outside for example, or be followed up with a imidiate left).
So basically a stance switch to setting it up like I was left handed 🙂
This right here is something I have never been taught properly but having a sword fighting background comes in natural through the use of somewhat similar setting up to counter stuff. Especially the sword and shield combo has taught me a lot of this. Yes, the shield is an assault weapon, not a defensive item. Its defensive item that packs a mean punch.
as a southpaw this is one of my favorite techniques
i liken the movement to skipping a rock. just a quick bounce
I saw the title and as I was opening this video, I thought "no one gets a free swing" and then it was the first line of the video. Awesome.
Love all the kung fu nerd-ery in this video!
I like the shovel hook to just under the ribs after the parry (in wing chun they do it with a low palm strike). I also like stepping into an elbow (over or under the opponent's arm) with the parrying side, almost like a check hook.
If you're deep enough already, you can also throw that arrow punch as a spearing elbow and its nasty. (That's another bit of kung fu nerd-ery.)
Since you brought up bong sau...I'll also add that in wing chun, you often try to punch such that the line your punch travels is also effectively a parry. That's one of the reasons the arms on the wooden dummy are spaced the way they're spaced. You see it in all the pretty wing chun demos when the counter strikes scrapes over the forearm/elbow of the incoming punch.
Southpaw here. I originally learnt this in kung fu and spam it relentlessly in muay thai. Few people have an answer for it. I even use it offensively to clear the guard. Another neat thing to do with it is use the parry to pull into a roundhouse kick.
@12:55 I practice this Jab Counter all the time on the Heavy Bag, but never had a Counter for it. Thank you very much Good Sir 🙏
Mike were you in Tyler, Tx yesterday? If not a guy at a local martial arts gym is doing a killer impression of you.
Mike is building his army of clones.
Intercepting cross/jab, swivel jab, and elbow parry. Quite a lot of advanced stuffs packed into fourteen minutes.
12:33
A yielding parry into prime, in fencing.
Liked the video. There are lots of cool techniques like the elbow block (often employed by fighters using cross guard like Archie Moore, George Foreman, etc.) in boxing when you explore all the old guards and transitioning from one to the other.
I love the parry and punish! I do it all the time. I'ma work that bong Sao defense now too
For all your striking instruction videos, You should really also show how to do it/what it'd look like for a short person versus a tall person with LONG reach.
Perfect timing. I have my first light contact kickboxing match in 2 days. I love this counter.
As a southpaw, like 90% of my sparring is clogging up the jab lane, so any information to improve my parries is greatly appreciated.
Legit Ur a south Paw Ur parry is even better cause u can cross a orthodox easily from that position
Been watching this channel for over five years
That's very similar to what my grandfather taught me. Except in the way I was taught to punch into their punch with a defending fist. Start with the fist vertical by the head, then punch forward but lower the fist so it impacts horizontal. It's sort of like a straight punch mizmxed with the arc of a hammer fist but more subtle.
By doing this you impact, catch & deflect their punch with your forearm bone (ulna). Drive your ulna across their forearm like a saw & at the same time opening them up to your counter punch.
Nice, addressed most my concerns with my inexperience in sparring and potential lack of experience. Forcing reactions definitely makes things seem less daunting when you know what's coming at least on entry.
Icy mike is my hero for using the bong sao in a practical way.
Wing Chun Mike ; ) Like the techniques, feel like WC applied in context is where it is properly understood (I’ve done it for 18 years and lean far more towards practical and testing feedback). Interesting stuff.
Yea, the problem with Wing Chun ain't that "it doesn't work in a real fight". The problem is that it wasn't pressure tested and evolved enough, in general, to be legit for real fights.
There are of course some lineages and teachers that have taken this approach though. And, that's a version of WC I'd like to train
Ayyy that's the same principle of the elbow block on the philly shell. I was always taught that same defense if your opponent was trying to counter you off your jab. Really cool to see the Philly shell's kung fu ancestry explained.
There's a technique I learned a long time ago where you perry a strike down with one hand and the same hand comes back up to strike under the chin, I always liked the idea of defending with a hand and then attacking with the same hand when they're not expecting it.
Thank you for your tips if baiting the jab. This will greatly improve my sparring. :)
Mike the kung-fu wizard, hitting them one inch and arrow punches, and bong saus, and tigers and bears, oh my!
Really enjoyed this Mike! Great stuff. Thanks for sharing.
Her nodding in the begging is hilarious! I rewatched it 15 times. And her movements are crisp. Great video!
I'm wondering though, why is she rotating the fist in her jab so much? She obviously knows what she's doing, so there must be a good reason.
The savate guys I trained with in France caught me, then taught me this down parry to same hand counter. Except, we parried and countered back with the jab. Both definitely work, and it sucks getting hit with it.
Very interesting!!
A style I've trained make use of a very similar move, at times from a near identical stance (even with the pinkies out). However it is mostly done with the other foot leading (so same foot as arm) and then closing in a bit with that leading foot when counter to adjust the dibstance and "umph". The style also train with swords and many of the movemets are basically the same, and yes this move is used with swords also. So it was very interesting to see in the comments that both classical fencing and sword and shield (HEMA?), both being single handed weapons, use this as well when the sword my style use is primarly two handed.
Keep up the good work!
HEMA means historical European martial arts, so yeah sword and shield fits. It covers pretty much any European weapon style (quarterstaff, longsword, greatsword, messer, rapier, etc)
I love the counter to the counter. I've been doing it by accident for a long time but I noticed a couple little things you're doing that I'm gonna try to add
i use this with a vertical fist, and is great ¡
Best opening out of every video on the Hard2Hurt channel😆
In karate there is an alternative which is more suited for low guards/if you are smaller/jabs against the forehead.
the big difference is that the parry is from the inside with the elbow/shoulder and the movement is more unified. Its one of the first movements you are taught, its in the beginning of the first katas
if i remember correctly Seth used it in a video maybe in your gym after Jesse gave him some traditional karate tips
yeah I was thinking about it the whole video
I like doing parries. At my first mma gym, I did some sparring with a girl beginner and I only used 1 arm to defend(part of the exercise) and I used a lot of wingchun parries and bon-sao. But as it went on, she kept learning how to get around my 1 hand, and eventually had me using both hands to defend, as well as, my arms were getting tired cuz we did this for a while.
Those black revgears might be the sweetest gloves I've ever seen brah
Anyone else shadow boxing in their bedroom while watching this trying to learn it? Lmao
Yessir! I've seen you do this SOOO many times in your videos and even streetbeefs! Finally you're talking about it! LOL
Can you demonstrate/try my weird style of raising my jab arm and blocking/framing the cross with the elbow?
I love this move, one of my favourites
12:26 Wing Chun defense, not boxing, I think.
Thanks very much, both of you!
Thanks Mike 👍
Filmed this at the perfect time of the day.
Oh Mike you speak my language brother love it!
It gets super fun when you can parry with your arm fence to the inside and steal the inside gates and force opponents arm out of your center.
You're vids are great. I appreciate you guys.
I also like to do the same thing with high guard or generali someone who dont tuck his elbow in.
Just push it down and strait it to his face, to open one or 2 more punches after that.
Dude I love this video
Jon jones does the similar thing , elbows you to oblivion. thanks for the tips Mike they are great
Thanks for another great video, and the extra credit at the end!
Always great Mike!
Every time Icey Mike accidentally teaches JKD I am filled with joy, haha.
Isnt it the basic principle that anything that works in JKD comes from somewhere else? 😂
@@Jenjakyup, in that case it came from Wing Chun, though there are many, many other martial arts that use similar techniques
@@Jenjak yup! All that clay you're shaping and cutting away has to come from somewhere! We've always treated JKD less as a body of techniques, then a handful of tools and principles you can use as a way to approach learning martial arts in general. But just saying that has probably summoned an angry originalist, haha.
@@philosopherboy I was just messing with you a little bit. There is always that comment "we do that too in JKD" under a technique video. ^^ I just find it funny.
Even if there's truth to it, no disrespect here.
And silat, karate, panantukan and lots more lol
People are way too fixated with styles and names, fighting is fighting
that counter seems like it needs a nice heel to the solar plexus to finish it. Almost looks like the set up for a spinning back kick type maneuver.
Hit a few dudes in today's session with this. Thanks Mike!
A really good counter to this parry is faking that jab halfway and go for a hook instead then a cross the the body. I learned it when my opponents get too repetitive with it. 😁👌
Just got my S5's, in large part due to your review
I love elbow blocks, I swear it's the best thing out of wing chun
Very nice technique! there is a very small obscure channel (like mine) called Dangerous Waters MMA where the teacher goes through many types of blocking and this is one of then, but you dived in deeper. I remember the guy saying it should feel like skipping rocks. The channel has great excercises for judo combinations, by the way. Also that elbow counter can be found in Heian Sandan, the 3rd heian from Karate, the technique is called Empi Uke,there are many bunkai interpretations for that movement.
Thanks for the video! Great stuff.
So very rarely do we see the guard-hand become the offensive hand, especially in one motion. Perfect Mike, OSU
It's a boxing technique commonly referred to as the "catch to counter cross"
Wow such a phenomenal explanation! I love punishing good behaviors when I grapple. That’s a great way to describe it. Just gaslight them!
Them gloves definitely caught my eye 😮
@10:56 As someone who thought they invented this punch, I approve of the name Arrow Punch...ironically Green Arrow is what I'm currently watching on Netflix 😆
Great vid
The aikido class joke was so funny
And the dumb teacher expected answer was funny and relatable
It’s like a 16th note in music. Parry-hit is like the “1-e” of “1-e-an-a” instead of the usual 8th note rythm of block-punch “1-an” 😊
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But if the face is inviting, wide-open body is at least as inviting, too.
Matte black gloves look great. Coincidentally I've just ordered a pair of Messengers from Pakistan in matte black today. Hope they arrive!
I was wondering how I can implement this move for my competition. I don't wanna lay back and wait for the counter shot to come. It's only a 2 minute round. One round. I like that concept of simply moving forward to force the opponent to create the situation you are looking for
Interesting to see that everything converges back to Wing Chun in the end.
Daaang Mike's teaching wing chun now
I love this. Saw it on human weapon and started spamming it. Never seen the counter though that's awesome.
Mike do you have a video explaining the false lead?
What a sneaky Wing Chun video
YUSS! Stuff to learn!!
Another banger
I'm about to turn 48 years old, and I'm 220lbs, this is my go-to move against my fellow students who are in their twenties and much "leaner" therefore much faster than me lol I land all the time lol I have actually developed a similar technique for when I check a kick I can launch a snap kick right into their side without putting my foot down which would be the Kik equivalent of this move.
Also 48, also my favourite to punish younger folks... :)
Very cool. Thank you
I feel like you could do some sort of elbow lock to counter the counter.
Oh lord, Mike has become a kung fu guy. Next will we see some tai chi? (That'll be quite epic + a wee bit of lol)
This reminds me of a wing tsun technique - the only difference is the high elbow position.
LOOL! That Aikido class joke had me laughing out loud! :D
This reminds me of some panantukan moves. What is your take on panantukan as a useful martial art for street fighting?
I always think of a fluffy that jumps right back on 👍
Mike = appetising target. Got it! 😅
The rocket ship is a cool analogy but what has worked for me is imagining skipping a rock. My fist hits their fist like the water and I continue that momentum like a rock skipping to their face. Thoughts?
Could you do a flicker jab off the parry?
Can I just bring attention to the shilloet on the RKM logo. I noticed it at around the 1.35 mark. How good does that look for a shirt design
When your hands are on your eyebrows defending what do/how do you defend a punch to your solar plexus?
Unrelated to the video, I had a question:
What do you think of Master Wongs lunging elbow that shows up in almost every one of his videos?
Is this MMA legal? Master Wong is generally geared toward bare knuckle, self defense situations. Is that worth doing in the ring?
I personally think even if it is legal the assumed level of pressure and engagement is a lot higher in a self defense situation; whereas competition is a lot more in-and-out.
How does that change the efficacy of the move in your opinion?
Edit: Now that I'm finishing the video I shouldn't even say unrelated. Crazy that my question happened to work with the lesson!
I've noticed most parry drill videos have them counter after the parry I've been wondering why since it's not really much harder to parry and counter at the same time
My only gestion is will a jab cross with head movement to the left (what I almost always do) defeat this? Thx!
Hahaha 3:34 I call it the Moose 🫎
Woah. I know Kung Fu.......
Thanks Mike, that is very cool.
Seems like it would be really cool with the Philly Shell. And in Muay Thai you could maybe step in after that chicken wing block since they might be overwhelmed?
thanks so much for this technique ¡¡¡
Always a good vid :)
This is so cool.
Makes perfect sense. Magicians call it "forcing". When they say "pick a card. Any card." They already know the card yer gonna pick and the rest of the trick follows. Same principle, right?