Elemental Magic: Avatar VS Genshin
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2024
- The Avatar Series (The Last Airbender, The Legend of Korra and all) and Genshin Impact share a lot of narrative and worldbuilding points: elemental magic, a main character who controls all elements, elemental nations.
But they're still very different stories - so let's have a look at both of them today.
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00:00 Similar tales
00:42 How Magic Manifests
01:05 Sidenote: Bending is...
02:15 How Magic Manifests
03:54 Sidenote: Sense? Really?
05:41 How Magic Manifests
08:09 Elemental Nations
12:10 Master of All Elements
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Of course I do not own Genshin Impact, it's a game by Mihoyo/Hoyoverse:
genshin.hoyoverse.com/en/
Of course I do not own the Avatar series, it's a Nickelodeon IP (I think, the information online was confusing):
www.avatarstudiosofficial.com/
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Chillbending - Sweetboikyle
• Chillbending // Avatar...
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#genshinimpact #atla #magicsystem - บันเทิง
Ahem, whoever said that funeral parlors have zero connection to fire, have you ever heard of CREMATION???
Some places also see people dying as fire burning out too
Soo that's also a thing
@@shikabaneconga What does northern shaolin kung fu to do with fire? Not in a figurative way.
@@shikabaneconga Northern Shaolin included?
@@shikabaneconga Ok, and what do the other bending martial arts (hung ga, tai chi and bagua) have to do with the other elements?
@@marcopohl4875 you drink water, geographic locations, high altitude for air benders, air pressure, diverse flora. etc etc, they all fit when you think about it
The coolest Elemental bending of today vs the coolest Elemental bending in history
Can't wait someone edit this comment into a image, and The Gojo offscreen part
After Fraudshin Midpact gets slapped by Goatvatar The Wast HimBender, it will turn to:
The Coolest Elemental Bending Literature Piece in History VS The Closest Elemental Bending Literature Piece in the Proximity frfr
and then it will turn to:
The Coolest Elemental Bending Literature Piece in History VS The Strongest Elemental Bending Literature Piece Available frfr
@@toothlesshewhoreignsoverdr1190 What lobotomy does to a mf..
@@gnuhgnauqneyugn after recent leaks main cast is cooked
mvp of that entire chapter is miguel
Yess
i think what's important to note here is that avatar is also a *finished* story, and genshin's is still *ongoing.* so we still have a ton of questions about how teyvat and the traveler work that aren't answered yet because it hasn't been time to *tell us* yet. not factoring that in is of course going to give a lesser impression of genshin's writing - you talk about it like it's finished, and it isn't yet. that being said, i have no other complaints; i like your work and you've refined your format very well.
Also the fact that the traveler is only two characters vs the avatar who can basically be anybody it is hard to compare such vastly different stories
if you mean controlling different elements well anyone in teyvat can do that tho it's extremely extremely hard la singora has no vision and she's a human yet she can control fire, some people ar even gifted 2 visions,@@Ashera5469
I still, in my opinion think avatars magical and world building is amazing
@@JhonnyWaltz i’m not saying it isn’t, i’m just saying the video essay wasn’t very fair to genshin
@@bittersweetvictory8541 eh true that.
There is such thing as bias
ha HA!
4:00 One thing I like about Genshin is how unique its visions are tied to overall goals/mindsets rather than super specific stuff
Anemo: Those who desire freedom. Those who have experienced loss and questioned their existence
(Wanderer, Jean, Sucrose, Sayu, Venti)
Geo: Those who overcome adversity with their intuition and stay true to themselves
(Itto, Chiori, Ningguang, Gorou, Noelle)
Electro: Those who are considered “weird” or “outlandish” and live their life in a world of their own
(Fischl, Razor, Raiden Shogun, Dori, Yae Miko, Beidou)
Dendro: Those with the “scholar’s vision”, as well as those with adaptability and are open to change
(Nahida, Kaveh, Tighnari, Collei)
Hydro: Those with a strong sense of justice. Those who empower others or themselves through their hyper-focused ideals
(Nilou, Neuvilette, Mona, Xingqiu, Furina, Kokomi, Ayato, Childe)
Pyro: Those with an endless desire for creation, challenge, or opportunities
(Xiangling, Thoma, Bennett, Xinyan, Arlecchino, Yanfei)
Cryo: Those who are distant. Those who have endured pain and suffering, but still wish to live
(Qiqi, Freminet, Rosaria, Eula, Signora, Shenhe, Wriothesley)
So yeah, Nilou DANCING has no correlation to water. But her mindset and ambition of rejecting the Akedimeya’s pressure and pushing others to do the same DOES correlate to the themes of Hydro. And she empowers others through her dance, which is why she dances to use her abilities
I know Archons don’t need visions but you can still see how their personas align with their elements, or moreso how the elements align with their personas
Beautifully said. Bravo!
neuvilette does not have a visions he is the hydro dragon he was born with hydro powers
@@setsunatenma9467 I know. That’s what the last paragraph was for
There is a point to be made that perhaps those ideals only exist because those are the ideals of the archon. If a different entity were to be in charge, the ideals could vary.
Best way to describe the Visions system in the Genshin lore
Lots of cultures have water dances. Funerals end in cremation all the time! Makes sense to me
So real
Water is elegant just like Nilou lol.
Also theres a theory that the elements are linked to what kind of passion they have. geo vision owners tend to be stubborn, they do not give up on their goals no matter what anyone else says. they are as still as a rock in their place. pyro is similar, though not same: they have a ''burning passion'' for one certain thing they LOVE doing, and they do it. they mostly receive their vision after starting the road to their passion or achieving it.
Another point to the magical systems is that, while in Avatar you're manipulating the elements straight up, in genshin you're actually manipulating the elemental energy of the elements, hence why the characters in genshin can create things and manipulate their powers as they see fit, a source of creativity. In Avatar the elements must be there in order for them to be bent with the exception of fire bending which becomes a source of conflict most times.
My thoughts exactly!
That's a bit of a misunderstanding. Water isn't an element in Genshin. Hydro is.
@@madladdie7069 yeah. I wish it was made clear in the video. Elemental power can actually be toxic in the genshin universe. Not being 100% harmonious like in Avatar.
@@madladdie7069 I can't tell if your joking or not hydro is water 😭😭
@@Eric123_lol Hydro is a form of elemental energy. The game has been saying that elemental energy is toxic since the start.
I can cite a few things if you want.
7:24 I think what you said is very true, however, I also think the opposite is true. In the world of Avatar, for you to be "special" in the eyes of the viewer, you need to be born with a power. In Genshin, anyone who dedicates themselves to what they love can become "special", for me it ends up being a more motivating message. Whenever I watch Avatar I find myself thinking "wow, it must be really boring being a non-bender in this world..."
From what I know, even if you are passionate about something you are not guaranteed to recieve a vision
@@monochromeink.but theres always the chance while with avatar besides the specific circumstance in korra your shit outta luck just be born better
@invernofuyu2542
>"wow, it must be really boring being a non-bender in this world..."
Sokka, Suki, Tylee, Mai, Hakoda, Piandao, the Kyoshi Warriors and Asami found dead in a ditch somewhere.
@@fancymustache3793 yeah, but to be fair, in avatar lot's of nonbenders where still pretty skilled. Remember Ty Lee and her chi blocking?
@@monochromeink. yeah those people can kind of hold their own but they forever will be at the disadvantage because all the stuff they can do benders can too and with bending potentially they could do it way better. Benders are literaly just better in every way as they have all the advantagess of a non bender but WITH bending
4:00 actually fire powers makes complete sense in reality for someone who’s whole job is taking care of someone’s funerary rites. In real life often times the deceased are cremated before burial. And in the lore of genshin, Hu Tao's parlor is a family business that started during a massive plague. Where bodies of the deceased had to be burned to prevent the spread. (It’s more complicated then that but this is the best way I could summarize it) hu Taos has built in cremation powers!!!!!
Don't forget that in many cultures the fire is something that is related to death and rebirth or as the power that guides the soul in the afterlife and it's use in many traditions related to either festivities or funerals as well for example like lighting the candles at somebody's funeral
one thing to add is that while the traveller currently in the story is the only (playable) character confirmed to have the pottential to manipulate all 7 elements, it seems like they are not the only one with that potential overall, as we have alredy seen some other characters manipulate two elements at the same time and even one instance of a character manipulating 5 of them simultaneously in a fight against the traveller (while at that point the traveller could only control 4 elements might i add) so it is definely possible for other characters to potentially reach a point where they manipulate all 7 elements, its just way easier for the traveller to do so
please refresh my memory because i can't remember who else manipulated more than one element (delusions excluded)
@@LaLaIthDiDi my guess is boss Scaramouche
@@LaLaIthDiDiThere are plenty of Vishaps that do it, the Abyss Baptist, Boreas, and really a great number of enemies. The only time we've seen someone manipulate multiple elements through the use of Visions alone is Kazuha, but it is evident that there are many other ways to do it as well.
@@LaLaIthDiDi
Shoki no Kami
Imbniquitous Baptist
Dragon Lords
Wolf Spirit god Boreas
God-King Remus
God-King Deshret
La Signora
Collei
Kaedehara Kazuha
Wanderer
The Traveler
Nota Bene :
I see what you are trying to do but idk why one should exclude Delusions while its litteraly still is elemental manipulation.
@@Sacrationid say delusions are an unnatural way of manipulating elements and is obviously destrimental to the user's own life while the others have no problem doing so. its definitely an exception not the rule (we can say the traveler is too but since the previous descender most likely could also harbor multiple elemental powers as it was used to make the gnosies id say its not totally an exception)
Genshin's world is alive, too. Aside from the surroundings being lively, every NPC has their own unique stories and relations with the characters
10:46 Will say, one thing that's really nice about a number of Genshin's world quests, the Chasm quests with the Milelith and Zhiqiong's final letter for example, are the reminder to the players that just because we have powers and interact with the few other people and gods who have powers, it does not mean that we should forget that the nonvision population who do their own part in their daily/regular work are just as important. They are also what make up the beautiful nations we go around.
Anyway, really interesting video you got here, great job!
Absolutely agreed - and I remember really enjoying some non-vision characters and wishing they had... better... clothes? 😂 why do they look so bland?
Thank you :)
@@JoriamRamos Since non-vision holders aren't going to be playable characters or main antagonists, they kinda cut corners to save money and time, since they're not gonna appear again in any significant manner. It's the same reason why mob characters look extremely forgettable(and sometimes literally faceless) in other media.
@@JoriamRamos Yeahh, but glad to see that when needed, some relevant NPCs in stories are dressed better: Chizuru, Idyia, Fujin, etc.
added side note: might be a real odd one out here but having a npc model and non-unique design personally doesn't break my immersion or interest in a character or story. I like thinking some regular ass rando looking plain as fuck can be cool with their own backstory, just as is irl. All to say, Zhiqiong best girl for being relatable as fuck, flaws and a strengths included :')
anyway, back to this great video!
@@JoriamRamos my girl JHET!!!!! Her story was so heartbreaking you'd mistake her for a main character. But her look don't stick out like the playable characters 😭
There's that guy in one of the Liyue commissions who gave up his vision but is still strong enough to one tap a Ruin Hunter.
8:51 do not swim in the gigant cube, it is VERY contaminated, I repeat do NOT swim in the gigant cube
I'm sure it's fine :D
*dissolves*
"Was it worth the risk?"
"Hell yeah"
As someone who finished that world quest, true lol... those cubes should be contaminated with basically magic uranium
The cube is calling.
Cremation = fire
I think Nilou's has less to do with dancing but more to do with her devotion, bc there's also a Geo Dancer, Cryo Dancer, and Pyro Dancer
Frankly? I enjoy you giving it a shot! What you said makes sense to me - but could you please help me with the difficult ones?
Lyney, Chiori, Ayato?
It may have to do with the persons ideal/ personality as well? Most of the geo characters are very grounded and believe in right and wrong and are very moral, while pyro characters seem to be more fun and lively they see more to life than the others per say and hydro seems to have people with humility and high ambitions
@@JoriamRamos I think Geo Dancer is Yunjin and Cryo Dancer Ayaka? And I'm not sure about the Pyro Dancer either 🤔
@@talis2513 Gaming!
@@JoriamRamosmost of the geo characters have a powerful mindset when it comes about their greatest dreams and ambitions and all of them show an amount of great energy and commitment invested towards that objective
In Chiori case she's working hard and has the unshakeable ambition to make her dream about the Chioria Boutique become a great fashion business all around Teyvat
Great video, as an enjoyer of both, I loved seeing a breakdown of the similarities and differences between these two.
There are actually npcs with visions too, but we would only know if they mention it themselves, and we can't see it on them. And considering how many visions got seized during Inazuma's vision hunt decree, it seems visions are more common than one might initially think. Though, still not anywhere near the level of bending.
But it does offer up fascinating stories of the unremarkable who wish they were remarkable, those who idealize having visions, (maybe too much so at times *cough* Teppei *cough*), and even those who decide to keep going despite not having one.
There's also the contrasting aspect that most vision holders don't regard their vision as a remarkable thing. They see it rather as just an extension or physical manifestation of who they are, and believe they'd be doing what they do anyway even if they never got a vision.
Some, like a certain pair of brothers who get along like pyro and cryo, even regard their visions as something closer to a curse rather than a blessing.
As for the naysayers who think Genshin's system makes no sense, I read an article by someone who broke down how each element corresponds to certain character traits.
And not in the typical, surface level pyro is ambition or dendro is wisdom, hydro is elegance, or geo is perseverance, because those simplistic breakdowns tend to leave outliers.
(Though geo being perseverance is pretty accurate.)
I don't remember the details, but found it fascinating because they managed to find traits that were separate enough for each element, but still encompassed all characters within the same element. Which makes me think the devs have some sort of rule for what element they make any given character.
I suppose that's a given, but it sounds like the naysayers think it's random because it's hard to pin down what the exact pattern is when just looking at the surface. Though, once you do know you can anticipate a lot about a character just from what vision they hold.
Erm...yeah, so, lol. I didn't intend to write a whole book and I'm not even a lore diver, but your video inspired me😂
Edit: typos
“French Octopus Guy” (who in my personal head cannon is named Somar Nadroj) was one the best parts of the video.
Tell you what, Somar it is hahahaha
Please forgive the fact that I butchered your name when I spelled it backwards. I was doing it off the top of my head. My American English brain glitched to “Jordan”
@@CBG232x5 I got the jist of it 😂 and the truth is that my name is really unique (my grandma made it up), so I'm used to it. All chill
Here's to differing opinions: It was the element in this video I disliked most. That's just me, though.
Honestly same...
The visions have their own system as well! We are not sure about why each element gets gifted, but we can interprete based on the characters that currently exist.
Anemo for example is given to those who experienced great loss, either through death, friendships ending or family dividing. Another interpretation is a yearning for freedom, that those vision holders have.
Pyro is given to those with a 'burning' passion, love, admiration and determination. That's also why most Pyro users are quite energetic and loveable. (Diluc got his vision with 10 years of age, he changed drastically from his ambition in the past)
Ice is given to those with an inner battle, with irony inside their heart and troublesome past. Those that are conflicted with themselves and their role. Be it because they died too young, because they lied to their family, were casted aside by everyone.
It's pretty cool, because based on that their vision already says a lot about who they are as a person :)
I seem to have lost the cutscene or dialogue where this was explained! And I swear I have watched MOST lore cutscenes from Genshin. Could you point me to where I can look for that information?
@@JoriamRamosIt's not a dialogue but if you look in the lore and backstory of each one of the characters from each of the 7 elements you will notice that pretty much all of them have this similarities when it comes about gaining their visions
@@vladianchis1580 that sounds like a fan theory - which is fine! they're pretty great, but I don't talk about fan theories in my videos, it's just not my style
@@JoriamRamos it's not as much as fan theories
They are literally details that appear to relate each character who gained the same type of vision as the other characters with the same element and those appear in their backstories or character story/info
@@vladianchis1580 well, if it's a theory created by fans (as in: not by the original artist), it's a fan theory.
If Hoyo ever wants to break those 'rules', they never set the rules in the first place, they can create characters that don't follow the guidelines and the fan theories will have to adjust accordingly.
Again: nothing wrong with fan theories! They're great! I just don't explore them on the channel
I mean...
In defense of the ppl who go "Bending is Not Magic"
It's honestly treated more like a martial arts in the avatar series, and not just a phenomenon, so...
Maybe we can call it a specialized Martial arts only accessible to certain ppl🤷♂️
It's still Magic tho lets be honest here😂🤣😂
Its realistic magic in a certain sense
I appreciate your sudden U-turn 😂😂
@@JoriamRamos I try to see both sides of the argument and try to be as neutral as possible
On the one hand, Bending *Is* treated more like a martial arts that only certain ppl (the benders) can truly master in the Avatar universe.
No convoluted power systems, just the elements manifesting themselves by following the movements/stance of the bender🤔
On the other hand...the non Avatar universe/meta irl perspective, in the end of the day mo matter how deeply linked it is to martial arts, the way the elements move and follow the bender's will is just magic ain't it🤷♂️😂🤣😂
*Magic arts*
@JoriamRamos bending is a psychic ability hence the heavy focus on personality and discipline
The shade being thrown at the toxic parts of any comment section was a hilarious bit. Your videos about story telling, fantasy and elements always get me thinking, i really enjoyed it! Good job!
this is so good! i love the discussion of the “master of all elements” as a narrative tool for exposition. an interesting point of view can be just as impactful as the story itself. great video!
Thanks, Yinka!
I quite like the main character as 'excuse to travel around interesting places'. We don't normally think of Avatar or Genshin as road trip stories, but they are! Instead of souvernirs from each place, they collect superpowers lol
@@JoriamRamos I don't know about Genshin. But Avatar takes us on a road trip not only to places but through time as well - times are treated like places in a way. We can visit them and revisit them.
It's dumb. It's anti-scientific structurally, not just against science, but scientific study couldn't really exist in these parameters. They couldn't actually discover anything, they just "invent" new bendings like average people are too dumb to question waht it is they just created. It's power given to gods like the "trust the science" blind narrative.
Harry Potter has this same problem, magic wands work like iPhones that you COULD write apps for, like the Weasley twins, or be luddite dumbphoner like Mad-Eye moody. But all amgic has to come fromt he magic hands of their Steve Jobs, and the cargo cult of USERS don't even know what they're doing with it. It's like having smartphones with ARM chips, but NO PC's with IBM chips and x86. It's ludicrous.
In the taxonomy of how you DEFINE bending styles, there should be some understanding what something like "fire" even is and why does it COUNT as bending. This reaction of a gas is somehow different than "air" bending that is moving gases around with mass pressure. Earth moves WITHOUT any mechanic, because it doesn't even expand and contract like how muscles are able to move. When does it stop at "all of them"? Just when the BS power STOPS being A POWER? Bending is not "jsut a thing" in Avatar, it's BS magic given by higher beings and TOLD YOU these are your options, no science discoverability.
It's lamer than even Alchemy of our own world and less versatile. That's why every innovation looks like labor struggle, every machine REALLY IS like there has to be a person inside every vending machine, or a little man in every radio. When they invented electiricty they need a bunch of dudes standing in a row and "do the electricity" with lightning bending.
One elementary difference here is that while bending in Avatar seems to work primarily with the actual elements and the philosophies of using an element appear mostly cultural, "bending" in the world of Teyvat seems to use elemental energies that are not the physical elements yet usually are drawn to them. These appear to be "flavoured" by circulating through the aura or body of at first the Dragon Sovereigns and then deity-class beings in general, which may or may not affect how they react but definitely shows either cause or correlation with philosophy of how the element works and can be used. We don't know if the way elemental reactions work has changed over time, or if whatever framework defines the "elements" could potentially hold others that didn't get built into Teyvat, but elemental energies are not on a one-to-one basis with the material version of them. These poorly-understood philosophical concepts and how they interact are the reason why specific elemental energy appears associated with the element, to the extent that we use a set of words associated with those elements to refer to them.
Further, there already exist multiple "non-bender" approaches to working with elemental energy: alchemy, shamanism (making use of the way more elemental beings can directly manipulate it), technology attempting to replicate some of the results if failing to duplicate the safety measures of Visions (just as the human body technically can serve as an extension cord but you really don't want it to, you don't really need a Vision to channel elemental energy - it's just that turning part of your soul into a pseudo-phylactery turns out to be a really good idea), Chinese-style cultivation (just as somebody who learned to mine and shape copper and quartz and independently build an analog phone network might still carry a smartphone, the adepti having Visions in the modern era in no way diminishes their actual accomplishments), and so on. Of course, in Avatar you don't need any of this because the human body and basic engineering can definitely work with earth, water, air, and fire.
I can understand wanting to focus on the narrative purposes of those choices, but it is valuable for worldbuilding when you can make things make enough sense that there plausibly could be logic underlying it, and that's one of both series' strengths. (Genshin Impact sort of cheats by creating an in-universe explanation you slowly come to realize for why there will and must be invisible jigsaw pieces, parts of the puzzle that can no longer be directly observed, but there is a huge puzzle things are fitting into. Avatar does a good job of implying a vast history that created all the important cultural aspects.)
One *what* difference?
I agree! But I feel there's a huge amount of people who often yearn for logical plausibility, rather than emotional plausibility.
So many stories are just not too interested in 'how things work', but if you pay attention to the mechanisms, there's a lot of consistency in 'how things make people feel'. As a primarily emotional person, I have an easy time with such narrative decisions, but I see some people struggle.
So I just nudging, very gently, towards that direction :) there are SO MANY stories where the creators choose to focus on functionality and understanding. I'm happy that at least some choose a different path.
In Genshin, to have magic a prerequisite is ambition.
The type of magic is based on that ambition's motive, like if it is based on passion the receiver will receive pyro, etc.
But the manifestation of that magic is based on the receivers imagination
Yo I didn't realize how much that "Miyazaki vs. Tolkien" video popped off! Congrats! Here's to more successes like that in the future 🥂
Thank you! I'm also baffled by it - and very very grateful.
Honestly.. I *love* how genshin handles its magic system. They focus a lot more on how the elements interact than what qualifies as what. Is it the color of that magic? Well sick, it’s that magic then. I love how characters like Barbara have their magic express in super abstract ways and have them represent their careers and interests instead of just being the element. It’s fun, it’s creative, and it allows for much more interesting fights both to play through and watch. Imagine how boring fights would be if anemo magic was just wind and cryo was just ice, etc etc. it would take away a lot of the fun in playing the game for me if things were so literal
Me too! I find it soo freeing to imagine the different elements using those 'interest' lenses - what if a character was a cryo kabuki actor? Or a dendro capoeira dancer-fighter? Or maybe a electro politician?
All options have their own aesthetics and uniqueness - so cool!
I looooove both! Manipulating the elements, the sense of adventure and discovering a new fantasy world in the lens of Aang is what made me fall in love with Genshin. I also love how both have cultures and nations they were inspired from.
Like the Fire Nation in Avatar was inspired by imperialist japan (correct me if i got that wrong) and Inazuma, in Genshin, is inspired by Japan.
Fun fact, in genshin impact there are some species that can control specific elements without visions, like the adepti and dragons.
Very interesting video. While there's some great points made (particularly in the third part, but also the second), it does feel like you arguably (in my opinion) missed the main point of Genshin's core plot (aka anything involving Dain and Khaenri'ah). The first thing Dain asks the Traveler are three questions that basically come down to vision holders vs. common people and if either is worth more both inherently and in the eyes of the gods. This narrative is explored in pretty much anything involving Khaenri'ah (a godless nation where its inhabitants rely on their own human power rather than the magic of elements), and while that story isn't even halfway done yet, Genshin's tackled this topic a fair bit; while Avatar explored it pretty deep in LoK S1 (and through episodes like Sokka's Master), I think the two are on par with each other as of now, though Genshin is set to overtake it if it continues at the current pace.
Interestingly, I've always felt as though the one of the only real weaknesses of ATLA (alongside stuff like book 1 being subpar in a lot of its writing) was how it didn't really tackle the topic of non-benders all that much; of the main characters in the story (the Gaang and the Royal Fire Family), Sokka's the only one without any bending, and while they do focus on that in a couple of episodes, it's always more on Sokka as a character than it is the society as a whole. Likewise, a majority of the supporting characters are also benders, with Ty Lee, Mai and Suki being the only ones I can think of that aren't; and though they all do get to show how they can shine without bending, it's never really explored beyond the very surface, and if it is, it's again more character-focused than it is society-focused. I do think LoK does this way better (S1, characters like Bumi in S2, etc), but again, I'd probably tie it with Genshin as of right now.
Genshin's focus on non-vision holders also really shines in its world quests; Zhiqiong's entire story is rather well-written and explores the topic on a character level (same with characters like Timaeus, who lives a happy life despite barely being anything compared to Sucrose and Albedo), but with the focus of the main plotline (Khaenri'ah) also delving into the topic on the level of all of society, I think it's very clear that the discussion of vision holders vs. non-vision holders and how both are seen through the world is one of the Genshin developers' main focuses. Genshin also has quite a bit of focus on non-vision holders doing things unrelated to the topic (again, in world quests), with Jeht maybe being the best example here, which I personally feel helps flesh out the world way more than it does in Avatar (though, to be fair, this is largely due to Genshin having significantly more content because of its existence as a game rather than a series; I don't doubt that Avatar would do something similar if given the same medium, but alas, that's a discussion for another day). But yeah, in my view Genshin on the surface is more focused on vision holders just like you say (certainly for monetisation purposes), while it beneath the surface focuses on the topic of regular people a lot, whereas Avatar's focus is more on just that (the Avatar), and how that person shapes and is shaped by the world that surrounds them.
Sorry for the very long comment - again, good video! I just found it very interesting how you seemed to get the complete opposite thought of Genshin's and Avatar's view of magic holders vs. non-magic holders in their respective worlds, and I'd be really happy if you wanted to expand on it even more! Polite disagreements always lead to the most interesting conversations, I've found.
Genshin wasnt initially focused on the special people but the players to this day get so angry every time a non vision wielder gets any attention.
To be fair, the problem is non-playable character's development VS playable character's development. If we had any means of playing as a non-vision user, we'd probably be OK with them getting development.
Playable characters straight up look like aliens when they stand next to NPCs, dude. You can often see who is playable and who is not before you even see their vision. Its hard to give a damn about characters whose face/hairstyles has been copypasted on numerous others, versus the ones with distinct styles and design.
In Avatar, the difference between the main bending characters and the non-benders don't matter design wise, besides what color clothing they may wear and their personality/background. You don't know who may or may not be bender until they showcase their bending or state it themselves. It also helps there are non-bender characters who are with the main crew like Sokka and Suki. They *visually* fit right in the group even if they don't bend elements.
Meanwhile, if you're playable, you are required to be a user of one of the seven elements, whether you're a vision holder or elemental being who has the natural mastery of an element. There are no normal, non-elemental playable characters that get a design like playable characters do.
Had Genshin from the beginning had playable characters that don't have an element, those stories would be far more receptive.
@@starsensemble3201yep this is exactly it as a 1.0 player as well. I did NOT care about teppei as much as the story made me want to. I was actually surprised when people were getting choked up about him online. I certainly didnt feel like that when he was constantly put next to the traveller who, despite having a simpler design still has a design at all (never mind the writing as a whole for Inazuma’s third act).
Now, i get it. The playable characters are *meant* to stand out from the npcs. They’re made to look cooler and better so that you get them. Nevertheless, whenever they show up in a main quest as a prominent character i can’t help but roll my eyes bc they don’t put any effort into the npcs bc they’re not trying to sell them to us. The same copy pasted hairstyles, sometimes new clothing, maybe a fabric colour swap or some tattoos on the skin.
As of recent they actually made a fantastic npc model for a character in a major side quest, and people loved her. Not too flashy like an actual playable character, but not at all generic either. The ironic thing is that very same update they brought in two previous major npcs for an event and gave them generic designs (they were previously unique animals but got a human form). Theres multiple possible reasons for this, some in game some not, but like damn, yknow? Had the community running to make fanart for what could’ve been.
i really enjoyed your comparison!! it's always been stuck in my mind the similarities and contrasts that avatar and genshin has - and im glad youve finally put it to words! i love the two personas you have as a running gag in this video, and i hope this video and your channel blows up soon!
Thank you! That's very sweet of you to write :) and I'm glad I was able to voice your thoughts
I think Somar, the squidman, might be featured again - he was real fun to write
i was thinking about the comparison between genshin and avatar elements a couple days ago so you made this video super on time LOL
Great vid, I agree so much, and your analysis is so amazing. You really captured both sides of the story well! Keep up the good work :D
I'm not too familiar with Genshin Impact, tbh I had this idea that it was just this video game with a world similar to Zelda's one with lolis where people spend money on cosmetic features, it never really interested me. But your analysis changed my mind and made it a lot more compelling. I also enjoyed the comparison between these two worlds, the video was really well made!
Genshin has an incredible world - just beware I find a lot of the dialogue quite poor. If you're an exploration player, and you like to walk around, I'd recommend it :)
As you can see, once you get to unfold this narrative, there's a lot of great ideas there. Once you get to Sumeru you'll be surprised with the quality of the storytelling.
Try it you'll see how diffret it actuly is
(thete isn't much cosmetics to buy*sob * most gliders are free and the few skins that exist where obzainable for free now thay cost after the version is over )
The wroting improves every nation (exept inazuma that was writen when corrona happeded so it's meh but sumeru and fontaine are the greatest and soon we will go to natlan
Well its not exactly noticeable how in genshin we have(if you want to continue prepare for be very surprised)
Child trafficking,genocide of civilization(or of a tribe if the guy that is doing the genocide is the main character),cosmic horror,child sacrifice and people sacrifice(with a bit of torture on the people sacrificed),tiranny,regicide,omicide(also done by the main character sometimes), international spionage,apocalyptic scenarios that bring to the end of the world(if a particular world quest had a bad ending than the litteral apocalypse would had started),mad queens(one of these also loved drink the blood of her people and killed their family lineage and her kingdom),mad kings,children and people that was used as lab rat for inhuman experiments and some playable character have killed various time.
@@massimilianoreali4398MC was literally supporting genocide of his/her own people not to forget without knowing that is happening but killed her/his own people
There's something really disturbing about the fact some people actually think the game is full of lolis.
Great video and i agree. thoguh, the uniqeness magical people could be taken the opposite way, too: in genshin, everyone has a *chance* of becoming a vision holder. Also, non-vision holders can easily get higher jobs than vision holders. There are also a lot of vision holders who just use their visions as stage effects or... lighters. Some characters care more about the fact that they are gifts from gods than the fact that they give them powers
It's true! But the way I see it, it's very similar to real life, as in: everyone has a chance of becoming exceptional, though statistically speaking, very few rise up to the challenge. And that in all fields: few sports practitioners become world-record breakers, few artists get to the MoMa, few pilots become space shuttle pilots etc etc.
What do you think? Are you on the same wavelength as me or you think different? :)
This is legit lovely comparisons of two of my favorite works with elemental magic system that I appreciate as a fan of both
This is such an interesting breakdown!!
Thank you :)
One thing to point out about Avatar's magic system is it's half-genetic, and half-spiritual. That's why all the air nomads could air bend, but not all people from the earth nation can earth bend. But, in saying that, we can't forget that genetics do actually matter, since you can't just start air bending cause you were raised amongst them, when your heritage and ancestry is from the earth kingdom.
Bro really used Focalors theme "God of justice" for the entire Elemental Nations section and thought my tears wouldn't notice.
🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲 it's lofi so it's not sad, right?
...... right?
I always thought about how similar these two are but you put it into words in a way I never could. It's always interesting comparing stories and seeing how they handled similar ideas in different ways. Love your work, keep it up!
Thank you! And glad I could voice your hunch :)
W.I.T.C.H series used the concept of elemental magic too.
Will -(spoiler) Quintessence/Energy(Lightning)
Irma -Water
Taranee -Fire
Cornelia -Earth
Hay Lin -Air
And they combined the possibilities of the elements more often, which was not enough for me in the avatar. So, they used ✨rEaCtIoNs✨, based on the features of their elements.
Ok, so on the topic of making sense, the vision is granted to an individual exceptional in something or another. It would make sense that they would use whatever skill they worked hard to hone along with the vision they have been given, and visa versa, using the vision as a tool for their passion. To me, it makes sense that the powers they've been granted work with their already honed skill, whatever it may be
Ok, I just bumped in into your videos and watch all the way at the end, But MAN.......12 YEARS!!! IN TH-cam!??!?!, C'mon Iam SUBSCRIBING NOW
This channel is my newest project... but yeah...
If you watch my really old video, I used to have more hair 😂
Thanks for the sub! Hope to see you around :)
Two things also- Magic exist as it's own thing in genshin- Mona do not use her visions- only hydromancy. Other characters have been shown to use a viarety of 'magical abilties' outside of the visions or elemental system. But the game only focus on visions and their holders.
Also- Genshin and Avatar are different, one is a game- trying to have you spend money of characters- so they have to be special and unique, all of them, so you want them. Avatar is a show that doesn't try to sell you anything, but want you to be insterested in the long run, so you come back to watch the series. In this optic- both magic system are good to serve theses goals.
I have a thing to say. Anything that does not follow the laws of physics in our world, that is magic. In the world of avatar it isn't magic because it is written in their laws of physics, its a different work to be said
I politely disagree with your definition.
I think magic is something that is created inside the minds of writers in our world, and it's a phenomenon that exists exclusively in our world's stories. It has nothing to do with the laws of physics and everything to do with the rules of storytelling. In that framework, bending is magic.
You don't have to agree with me! That's ok! As I don't have to agree with you. But I use this channel as my artistic research :) and to better research art, I think using my world as the clean slate in which to analyse and learn from all fictional worlds is rather effective.
The format of release is way different, and there's no central character or canon ending, but I'd love to see a comparison analysis by you don't between Avatar, Genshin, or Zelda, and the world of Runeterra from League of Legends (with one nation in focus for the Netflix show Arcane).
The world is full of magic, but it features both gained and innate magic depending on the character and region. And it features many styles of storytelling through its various character archetypes. Real world cultures/ myths adapted across media for example. Or what to be careful about when revamping your world through rewrites (the Darkin went through a few retcons lol. And the scorpion character reworked releasing next has been moved across nations).
Would love to see that
I've been meaning to rewatch Arcane - I'll consider it as I do :) thanks for the nudge
I was waiting for someone to make a video like this lol
A very interesting video: I recently rewatched the whole Avatar and Korra series with my kid and loved it even more this time.
I had heard the word "Genshin" before but didn't know anything about it not even that it's a game.
I hope you family is okay and the health situation has found a good resolution you can all live with. I really hope so.
Best wishes!
maybe genshin can become the next thing you can enjoy with your kid! :D
@@GustavoIto Thank you! - But we're not drawn to this type of game. If we play at all it's brain twisters like the stuff Bart Bonte creates. I guess it's to each their own.
We have started to watch/ rewatch Star Trek now. It's especially with the original series a bit like a walk through a museum - but enjoyable. And it will certainly keep us busy for a long time ...
Best wishes!
@@susanne5803It certainly makes sense if the child isn't much of a reader yet. But it's only a shame because the world of Teyvat is huge. And even with the regular fantasy adventure story, the attention to detail is phenomenal with developing the world. Each region is based on one country or region. The game is fillled with real world historical, religious, and cultural references, wrapped up in a colorful fantasy bow. It's a wonderful world to enjoy on a surface level, before diving deep at an intellectual level when grown.
@@amandaslough125 My child is grown up with a set of special needs and chronic conditions. So it's a highly individual situation. Otherwise you could certainly be right.
One immediate and big thing to keep in mind is that Avatar bending is an innate ability to manipulate matter while the elements in Genshin are energies that can be harnessed through multiple methods.
For me the Avatars system is better for giving my imagination something to ponder how would i use firebending to help with this and the same goes with the other elements
While my question for Genshin is what my vision would be if I had one its not much to think about
These are two of my beloved fantasy world. I've been watching Avatar since I was a kid, and at this point, I have all the chapters memorized in chronological order, even has some of the dialogues learnt by heart. Genshin meanwhile is a game I never thought I will spent a good amount of time with. Aside from the exploration, what hooks me most is the established lore of the game, and I remember my first weeks of the game, I just play and then read wikis on my free time. Avatar has cemented its status as one of the few series who really tied everything up nicely in the end, and I hope Genshin can do it too.
What i do wanna mention that i really like in Genshin is an underlying question of "Does having a vision (magical powers) is actually a good thing?" Outside of the side-effects of loosing a vision shown in the Inazuma quest, recent stories and lore also started to put into question what Visions truly are?
Fontaine Archon quest not only answered from what Gnoses are made but also directly calls them a misfortune
And also all the Narzissenkreuz quests, notes and stuff:
"To receive a Vision to sell oneself to the "fate" of this world - to Heimarmene, and to evermore lose the chance to walk the correct path."
It's an interesting look IMO
Lol one day all the vision wielders are gonna get raptured to Celestia for god knows what Celestia is gonna do.
Appreciate the "four seasons" background music!
ah! so glad you noticed this small detail 😂 I'm a classical music nerd
Ty for helping me making stories 🖤🖤🖤😘😘. I learned too much🤣
Obligatory "it's not magic, it's waterbending" comment. (But yeah, bending is magical martial arts.)
Now, in your first couple of examples, I can see strong links between their job and their gained magic power. Dancing is generally a very rhythmic, fluid motion, so of course it flows like water does. Some people burn their dead, so fire makes sense for funeral directors (but earth might make more sense because burying). There probably are some examples in Genshin where I couldn't make a link (or would have to stretch to do so), but that was my initial thought.
i dont want to be that guy (but i am) its a martial art as well as science. not magic it also exists in our world.
no its not magic its different laws of the universe , like for us there is one color spectrum and for a different one it could be entirely different beyond what we can understand and ours would be like that to them , its not magic its differences in how the world works
also canonically in genshin any element user can become the element they use
for example diluc and fischl can become their elements respecivly but probably for short periods of time only , probably because with some basic logic u could imagine if they stay in those forms for longer they could lose their sense of self or humanity or even forget how to turn back
in my opinion the genshin element system is much more convinient for the user
it lacks training and hard work in order to better understand ones own element , there is no issues the characters face there is no way to broaden what the element does or how its used for each character , while in the avatar there are many styles of using each bending and many sub bendings which is basically a different application or target of bending
for example to the broadening of what ones element manipulation can do
take zuko
at first he was no different from a soldier ,basic fire bending quick blows and maybe big streams but
at the end when he fights azula , he showcases firebending used as if it was air , earth and even waterbending
air with the kick slash/wave that ang does
earth with the block he did (spread from middle to sides) like many earthbenders
and water with lightning and fire redirection
then there is also sand bending which can be used in 2 ways
1.like regular earth bending , rough and hard to forcefully shape sand in specific shapes
2.like waterbending , to sail the desert on a boat as if ur in ocean.
there is no different styles of using nilous or ittos or dilucs powers , they are locked to how they are and cant be expanded upon unless its just revealed they had some specific power all along which could be counted as changing the past by some.
overall bending just feels more alive , less strict and more skill and hard work based rather than sheer talent unlike genshins visions and elements.
Is this a long comment explaining why Avatar's system is better? 😂
You can have a preference, of course.
My man, I think you missed the whole point of the talk on magic.
Great video, definitely deserves more views
For those who say that GI elemental powers don't make sense:
The element is chosen based on the wielder's personality and the form that the elemental power takes is based on the ambition.
For example:
People with electro visions are unyielding and determined, people with anemo visions are self-reliant, people with dendro visions focus on greater good and self-sacrifice...
The avatar world having people who was born with powers, in Teyvat, anyone could have powers if they earned it. How to earn it exactly is very random. Some people who claim to be very passionate and hardworking, never had a vision, and some who claim to be just having fun or doing nothing special are just surprised that they suddenly have a vision. Some vision holders doesn't even like having a vision to the extent that they use their visions like a disposable tool yet the vision just doesn't disappear.
one thing I learned about Genshin is the element they wield from their vision is artificial. the vision wielders can control both the natural element and vision-made elements. there is even a voice line about one of the elements where an adventurer asked why cant they stocked up Hydro (water) slimes and use them as water source when you visit a desert. then it is explained later that the hydro element is toxic and bad for the human body unless you put some special herbs to to remove said toxic to turn into food.
Noooooo, now I'm very thirsty for more Content about the different takes Teyvat and the World of Avatar has on things, fastest 17 minutes of my life ong
Aw, that's sweet! Thank you!
I might come back to it, if I find another interesting angle to explore the worlds :)
Definitivamente uma das melhores comparações de universos que eu não sabia que precisava
growing up with atla made me confused af when i first played genshin. I was like : 'Why is Cryo , Hydro and Dendro 3 different elements when all of them are waterbending?'' or Pyro and electro
Same thought here! But then again, the overall sense of familiarity of using elements and having explorations and adventures is what made me love Genshin right off the bat. Genshin reminded me a lot of Avatar for this reason.
Btw, i havent read the comics, but I love the masterful writing in ATLA 🥹
ótimo vídeo! sempre bom ver brs fazendo coisas de qualidade, dá um quentinho no coração 🫰🏼
ps: cê me fez ter vontade de jogar genshin de novo hihihihihi
Obrigado, obrigado :)
Qnd q vc parou de jogar? Tvz tenha coisa boa pela frente!
@@JoriamRamos faz um booom tempo, e eu nem sai do tutorial aauahauahuahss
@@chocolllya o inicio eh a parta mais fraquinha! Mas dps melhora hahah
EU VI O VÍDEO TODO SEM SABER QUE TU ERA BRASILEIRO, CARALHO QUE VÍDEO BOM E SEU INGLÊS É ÓTIMO
BRIGADÃO! E chegae 😂
I can't believe I just spent the entire video trying to figure out your accent e tu era brasileiro o tempo todo 🤦♀️ me sentindo tolíssima, cuidado com a burra
Loved the vid💕
Meu sotaque é um mistério mesmo hahaha 😂 bem vinda ao canal
I saw the update about the 10k subs. Congrats! Also yes comparison videos are cool 😎
Thank you! And yeah, I'm quite enamored of this kind of comparison :) it expands my brain
6:35 the rule to getting visions is having a desire storng enough to reach the heavens in the first place
Another power system that's similar to Avatar's is Demon Slayer (though it also has an additional system as well that works amazingly in conjunction). I love how both incorporate martial arts into their way of fighting, embodying the element they portray (though with DS, it is purely spiritual and mystical and they do not have magical abilities). The way they are fully integrated within the story, characters and world is also just on another level. My personal 2 favourite power systems, they do so much right, having so much depth to them, without the need to overcomplicate things, relying mostly on visual storytelling.
Great video! I really enjoyed the scenes with that critic character 😂
I don’t know that much about Genshin but I like its idea of having individual stories of characters. Having all the powers is cool for sure but being able to get powers from your passion somehow feels... relatable maybe? I think I have a passion because of how many hours can go unnoticed when I'm at it so maybe if I were in the world of Genshin I'd get a vision someday too 😅
(but after all I am an ATLA fan through and through)
I'm sure you'd get a great Dendro vision, Tamara 😂
While I would still argue that bending isn't magic I don't think it really matters here since it still is essentially what we call a magic system.
I'm actually interested in this perspective. How can it be part of a magic system if it's not magic?
What's your way to think about this?
Both systems are really good, just in different ways ~
There are actually people outside of the playable cast that had visions as seen in Inazuma before the vision hunt decree. One a village protector and one being apart of the Ei’s Shogunate.
Here's my cultured, over detailed comment as an offering to the snooty frenchman and his pet octopus.
I find it interesting that in Genshin, those who are passionate and ambitious make often mundane jobs and positions come alive as a result of their abilities and standing in the world. While in Avatar, society had to grow up around these individuals and even took advantage of their gifts, like the delivery system in Omashu, or the water elevators and ice tunnels in the North Water Tribe. The architecture takes advantage of magic being widely available and thus becomes tied to it.
While in Genshin, you can find lawyers, inventors, warriors, businessmen, and just about any kind of person from any walk of life that could exist in our world, but with gifts that allow them to be better at it and even use the object of their passion as a source of power.
At the end of the day, both are just different options for world building that use similar tropes as short hands that readers / players can latch onto easily.
And there is plenty to learn from both if you're looking to do something like that yourself.
3:54 On the thing of Elements in genshin matching the characters:
To me the genshin Deities/archons have Greek vibes: They just fuck around and find out. They do as as please and humans just have to deal with the consequences (case and point: our beloved tone deaf bard). They don't care what your passions are, they just reward you for being passionate, which I think is cool. It sorta encourages passion in any expression of it which is a good thing to encourage/propagate in the game, especially in a creative community like Geshin's which cosplays, games, crochets, draws, quotes, etc the SHIT out of this game
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I'd like to add that while I completely agree with you on stories not always having to make sense, there's actually been discussions about what trait encapsulates all vision holders of a specific element. And we've kinda speculated on a few? The idea goes that archons grant visions of an element to those who share similar life experiences with them. For example, (and this is the trait/element that has the most similarities across the board of holders so far), Pyro. Pyro (Fire) vision holders all seem to have some sort of connection to inheritance/the passing over of something (in most cases from a father figure too) or something to do with father figures directly. Hu Tao inherited the funeral parlor from her Grandfather, Yoimiya inherited the Naganohara Fireworks shop from her father, Diluc inherited Dawn Winery from his father, Amber became an outrider like her Grandfather, Lyney is the successor to the House of the Hearth following his "Father" Arlecchino, Arlecchino herself inherited the title of the Knave from the previous Knave, Yanfei carries out justice helping the people of Liyue like her father (an Adeptus) did, not sure about Xinyan but we know it was her father that encouraged her to follow her passion for rock, Gaming, although starting out rather rocky, mends his relationship with his father who wants him to inherit the tea shop and live a safer life, Dehya develops distrust for her father only to find out he was actually not her bio father and someone trying to protect her from their dangerous Eremite lifestyle after he found her in the desert. Bennett was also found in the desert/Mare Jivari by his "Fathers", a bunch of adventurers in the guild. Klee seems to be an exception since her father is never brought up even once, only her mother. Chevreuse also became an officer following her father. You get the idea.
pyro: {fire, flame}
Geo: {earth}
Anemo: {air, wind}
dendro: {nature, plant}
hydro: {water}
cryo: {ice, frost}
"however"
electro: {thunder, storm, energy, plasma, void}
big step up from the last video. 16:08 mans got cooked too hard last time💀
1 thing that’s not really mentioned in Genshin is that you can also learn how to control or use elements without the need of a vision. Like Signora learning how to use the pyro element ( even though it was killing her) or Dottore creating a mecha with 5 elements with just the electro gnosis.
Another thing would be that non-element users actually HAVE a chance to defeat the vision holders ( Dottore stated to be at the level of Gods, and Capitano being the strongest mortal ).
And at last, the Traveler is not the only one capable of using all elements, but the 4th person that is capable
The travelling Genshin he said to wheel power that is all the elements combined and they also have the power to create destroy or maintain the world
I like both but Genshin is something i do everyday and there's just more characters that have fleshed out stories.
Then there's the topic of immortality through the gods, my favourite character being Venti who at first comes off as not really caring about his nation drowning himself in alcohol but we learn that he deeply cares and drinks due to depression, he chose to live for a dead friend and took the form of him. He can't bring him back to life but see the face of someone he failed to save everyday and knowing the world has forgotten about this boy who was one of the main contrabutors to freeing the people of Mondstadt from a tyrannical God.
Both. Both is good.
😂 very efficiently summarized, 10/10 no notes
otimo video mas, eu nao ia saber que tu era brasileiro ate voce falar, voce fala ingles muito bem kk, sucesso✌✌
How did I not notice the similarities-
Kinda sad that you didn't talk about reactions in Genshin that are crucial part of the game and something that reminds me of Avatar's world where elements have this more scientific base. That's one of the main reasons why I fell in love with this game unlike with any other media where elements don't really correspond with each other.
The specific passions that lead to receiving a Vision don't necessarily connect to the element of said Vision in a traditional way, but that's because what determines the element seems to be more based on which virtues said passion, and the means one would use to go about it, most closely aligns with. Each element has an associated virtue, which doesn't necessarily align with what one might traditionally associate with said element. Anemo (wind) represents freedom, and receiving an Anemo Vision generally means that the passion that lead to receiving the vision most closely aligned with the ideal of freedom in one way or another.
In Genshin elements manifest however the visiol holder wants them to. They channel it. If you compare some cutscenes with characters, you'll see that they can do way more than their play version. That's because gameplay-wise abilities and attacks have to be both limited and balanced to other characters. essentially, same freedom as in Avatar.
The real deal is Avatar being able to use multiple forms of elements (water/ice) but being limited to what is available in their surrounding, in contrast with Genshin where elemental power comes pretty much out of thin air.
U miss understood something in genshin elemante and elemantal enargy is different.
Elementel enargy is what vision holder and other elemantal creatures use.
It's like physical and spiritual
While elementel enargy have same property as the elemante it isn't the elemante itself.
U can't drink water that created by a hydro vision because of the high concentration of elemantel enargy it will kill you .
It's toxic for non elemantal based creatures such as human.
In simple words
You can create physical elemantes by using magical enargy ( elementel enargy)
😀 ele é brasileiro :D simbora !!! Magia elemental realmente é interessante, a forma como botam isso em avatar é rotineira e cotidiana, nos dando até uma ideia ou desejo de como podia ser na realidade. Genshin da um sentido mais extravagante a magia elemental, principalmente relacionado as suas paixões, muito belo.
8:18 - 12:11 Very interesting 🧐 perspective
Just to add in my own two cents, some Genshin characters have visions that help, at least in some fashion, with their profession. For example we have Yoimiya using her Pyro vision to make fireworks, Hu Tao cremating bodies, Tighnari studying botany, etc.
Normal players in genshin : oh look he have vision 😮😃.
Lore Players in genshin : oh no he have vision ☠️. His fate is sealed 💀
People actually get a vision based on the element that aligns with their desires and personality
I’d argue that genshin’s connection between personality and elements makes a lot of sense usually.
Fire is a symbol of death and rebirth, so Tao having ghosts in her kit makes sense.
Water is about change, about fluidity, it flows, much like a dance, so you get Nilou.
Navia being geo… I got nothing.
But we can continue….
Xianyan has a passionate flame, that emerges as music, specifically rock and roll which has literal ties to the devil and is filled with passion like the very element of fire.
Baizhu is a pharmacist, his entire kit revolves around nursing, as nature is often associated with health due to medicine and teas.
Ice is often associated with a lack of emotion, and as w see Shenhe she restrains her emotions, her astral projections could literally be seen as those emotions detaching from her physical form.
Fischl is adventurous and a dreamer, her lightning literally brings her imagination to life, and much like fire lightning is connected to life. Look at Frankenstein’s monster.
You could probably draw logical ties for every character, with very few being a real stretch.
All geo users are resilient in their beliefs. Unwavering in devotion to their goal.
I believe I saw a video that also said all (or most?) the geo vision holders are leaders or part of a higher organization. Navia with the Spina, Itto with the Arataki gang, Ningguang is the Tianquan, etc.
@@rushalias8511yeah I was going to say that, I just can’t really make a solid connection between resilience and a bunch of guns and an umbrella, other than maybe the mob just being an overall resilient entity, but I feel like that’s too broad.
@RunicRazili no but navia was resilient in her believe of her father's innocence
@@rushalias8511 but I’m not just talking about their personalities.
I’m talking about how their personalities affect how they use their element.
Yes, she’s a resilient leader. That doesn’t explain why her element manifests in the form of a gunbrella, which is the entire point of my comment…
To explain why Fischl summons Oz, or why Shenhe astral projects.
That’s also what the original video was commenting on, so I don’t understand the confusion.
Man, after scrolling through some of the comments I feel like most of them didn't make it through your explanation on magic 😭
it's fine! Let them be 😂 I never imagined convincing everyone - but maybe a small minority? If I was lucky enough?
Great video.
thank you :)
Fun fact, aether burst is like avatar move when fighting sparky sparky boom man
Sorry, this has almost nothing to do with the video I just wanna spitball. Great video though!
I think it's kind of interesting that so many take Genshin's magic system as some greater power choosing people, exceptional people, for their exceptionality. When we have plenty of examples proving the opposite, whether contextually or generally.
Plenty of highly skilled, very passionate, very important, very angsty people never recieve a vision. Even though they may long for it and be seemingly perfect fits for it. (Crepus, Zhiqiong, Jeht, Teppei)
Some people get one for no grandiose reason. It just appears, whether or not they wanted one and whether or not they try to keep it. (Lisa, Alhaitham, Itto, Keqing)
Some people get one even though they have no real need for it. They had other means of manipulating the elements prior. (Xiao, Xianyun, Mona)
Some people aren't exceptional in any form, aside from their visions and maybe their affiliations. (Rana, Navia, Thoma, Xinyan)
It's still a huge question as to how and why certain people get visions and others don't, and how and why people get them at all. I honestly think it's something better left ambiguous, it makes for a more interesting story all around.
Also vision holders' elements don't manifest based on their passions. Everyone is capable of wielding base forms of their respective element's elemental energy both in and out of combat, and what element they get isn't determined by their actual job, passion, or skillset. Or even their personalities and backstories, albeit there's still a very observable pattern to take note of there. Regardless, Nilou's hydro energy being the perfect VFX for her dancing and Hu Tao's pyro energy having ghosts are more indicative of active choices to make their powers look that way rather than their powers just manifesting like that because Nilou likes to dance and Hu Tao runs a funeral parlor.
Contrast to ATLA, where benders are bending the elements themselves. Thus, water will always look like water and have the characteristics of water.
There's also a major, but very interesting, difference between ATLA and Genshin's elememtal magic systems: the philosophy.
In ATLA, the elements reflect characteristics of humanity, and how harmony between them leads to a fulfilling life. Bending takes all of that to an extreme, effectively becoming a metaphor about personal growth and wellbeing. It is ultimately grounded in the human experience and little else.
In Genshin, the elements are divine, drawn from deific entities and bestowed upon the few. Those few then gain their own potential to ascend to literal godhood, as well as the power up that just having a vision already grants. It's not just lore, but a theme the story is building up and trying to tackle. What is the divide between gods, monsters, and humanity, and what does it mean when they can all become either?
I love both ATLA and Genshin so please no one come at me for being cringe.
I had a thought experiment of how the story of Avatar would function if the characters had visions instead of bending, and funny enough it would completely fall apart.
In the original story the fire, earth, wind, and water nations developed completely independent of each other, and cultures were completely alien, so it was only inevitable that one of the nations would deem itself geneteically superior and try to conquer all of the nations, based on fire nation ideals (echo chamber).
Now Korra did have a similar story in it's first season where it was benders versus non-benders like Celestia versus Khanreiah in Genshin. But as you mentioned before this is plotline is dumb becuase benders and non-benders have co-existed side-by-side for a millenia prior to this outrage. Then suddenly you have two villains, one that complains about non-bender oppression, and then another responding by actually carrying out said oppression.
I enjoyed Korra but it's stories and character motivations are extremely weak in comparison to the original, which story conflicts seems to have developed more organically.
finally, somebody else said it.
Now, as a massive ATLA fan, I definitely love ATLA's bending system over Genshin's Vision system. Rooted in martial arts which gives different elements different movements (until LOK where they start to mix and match due to diversity) and having it be so common means that society is built around bending.
But biasness aside, the one biggest difference between the two stories in their handling of the elemental magic is hard and soft magic systems. ATLA has a hard magic system- only 4 elements with specific movements to use them properly. Any sub-classes of an element simply requires you to "feel" that element and match your movement in that way. Not to mention, they can't be used for anything else past to what they you see, the only exceptions are stuff like healing which is still tied in to what water is. Earthbending is manipulating earth, taking the ground to make a wall, chucking boulders, manipualting sand, creating fricking rock machine guns. They have a VARIETY of options for one element due to hard magic systems encouraging creativity with its restrictions.
Genshin has a soft magic system (for the character concepts and story, of course. Gameplay wise, it's a hard system). You can compare Genshin to something like superhero comics but everyone has a random element assigned to them. There are no limits outside of theming. Let's say someone is a massive gambler, so they get maybe a dendro ability to summon 3 plants that all look alike, but one is actually poisonous.
ATLA - hard magic system - restrictions which makes creativity. Being based on techniques, one person can do all moves of their style even if they're not thematically suited
Genshin - soft magic system - anything which forces you to work an element (which can be anything) to whatever topic or theme you chose
no mention of Wizard of Legend, one of the best elemental magic games out there.
if it didn't have progression issues.
Korra breaks most of the original lore and many don't consider it cannon to the AtlA universe(the rewriting of the "role" of the avatar is a major one, and the removal of the old avatars is another)
and Genshin is one of the best narrative games I've ever played with really fun combat, if it wasn't a gacha so heavily.
IMO it's better than avatar on the basis of Korra existing, and without Korra it's actually close.
the Archons shaping the land, the "ideal" behind the local Archon's personality is what shapes a nation's personality, which is something you completely ignored here.
Rex Lapis being focused on contracts, and being the Geo archon makes Liyue into a nation of contracts, where agreements are as solid as stone, the architecture and landscape plays into it but the "ideal" of a contract written in stone is a pillar of the nation.
Barbatos being the Anemo Archon of Mondstat makes the way the city and surrounding regions operate follow in his will - freedom.
and it follows for every nation, the people might have different elemental visions to their archons, but they will follow their ideals, and the ideal of the nation's element.
at least on paper.