Ranking All Seasons of Avatar
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In this video, we're going to be ranking all the 7 seasons in Avatar. Which season do you think should be #1? Let me know in the comments.
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TIME CODES:
00:00 - Intro
02:02 - LOK Book 2- Spirits
07:06 - LOK Book 4 - Balance
13:35 - LOK Book 1 - Air
17:10 - ATLA Book 1 - Water
22:30 - LOK Book 3 - Change
28:22 - ATLA Book 3 - Fire
34:09 - ATLA Book 2 - Earth
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We all agree lok book 2 is the worst
For me, book 4 Korra shouldn't exist, just Zaheer is enough
Zaheer redeemed LOK
@@kokkoro9973 that season is the second best
@@MRTHUNDER. Second best? With an antagonist whose goal is only to copy paste from Chen? And don't forget the Megazord that somehow suddenly appeared at the end of the episode, WTF
@@kokkoro9973people have different opinions you think people should agree to you? I hope not
When Kataras hair is free you know she means business
In 2 ways, only aang has experienced the second type (if you know what i mean 😏)
@@daslemonke fr😭
@@daslemonkehelp-
@@daslemonke it should have been with zuko
Book 2 almost made me quit watching LOK but book 3 had blessed my soul
Book 2 did make me quit. I didn't finish it until after season 3 was out and was getting good buzz online. It's definitely the bottom of all 7 seasons for me
Once the dark avatar plot came on j actually stopped watching and instead played it as background noise while doing other things so that I could still know basically what happened for season 3 without having to watch it
book 2 made me quit and it took me three tries to finally get through it. Then i loved book 3
@@realawesomeosbro I did the exact same thing😭😭😭😭
Book 2 is so bad
Btw what does lok means?
The Painted Lady episode was not weak. We've known what Katara is like; her interactions with Haru, Jet, and co. The episode just built on that.
Definitely agree with that point but after watching so many times that's why I actually don't like it that much. Like you said, we've known what katara is like so this episode feels sort of uneccessary and kinda lackluster to me. It's not all bad tho, just misses sometimes for me
It's not weak per se, but compared to the rest of the season, it was one of the weaker ones.
We already knew how katara's character is at this point it would be a nice book 1 episode but its a garbage book 3 episode
@@kingduck6728 Good point. Might’ve even been a decent replacement for imprisoned but obviously with tweaking. Even then it’s not really good but at least it doesn’t slow season three down
The ep just kinda felt like filler when the ep slot could've been used to flesh out something more important, like an ep with Suki establishing dynamics with the Gaang
Am I the only one who thoroughly enjoyed all seasons of LoK and ATLA?
Probably not but it’s a very unpopular opinion to have of LoK as most everyone agrees that Book 2 of LoK is very very bad.
@@nahte- the problem is that people see one thing that they don't like and categorize the entire season as "really bad". S2 has some really great episodes, and most ATLA fans don't even care about storytelling or writing, they're just bitter because she lost the past lives. For me the biggest problem with book 2 is Vaatu, and even though he's the main villain, I still can appreciate the good stuff of the season.
I rewatched lok. It's a great show
@@ThisIsGlamboysame. Overhated asf
No I enjoyed all aswell, I thought book 2 in LoK should be higher
Book 4 of korra in my opinion is much better than Book 1 of Korra
Exactly
It's usually debatable for avatar fans, which I really understand. But we all agree that book 3 is the best.
@@jugemujugemugokonosurikire4735 now me personally right I'm not a big fan of book 3 of LOK, I like book 1 and 4 alot more, I didn't really like Zaheer that much, still much better then book 2 of LOK and book 1 of Atla though
It might be dumb but I like tlok season 4 because she (Korra) recovers a hard way and grows to be her best self so why do we love atla for it but not season4 of tlok?
I disagree
Ba Sing Se always prove how corrupt Earth Kingdom 😂. The best season of TLOK and ATLA happen when the character travel to Ba Sing Se
Exactly 😂
Thanks Kyoshi...
1. "Fire"
2. Tie between "Earth" and "Change", actually
3. "Balance"
4. "Water"
5. "Air"
6. "Spirits"
1. Earth
2. Fire
3. Change
4. Water
5. Balance
6. Air
7. Spirits
My exact ranking
1. Fire and Earth (tie)
2. Water
3. Change
4. Balance
5. Air
6. Spirit
1. Change (it's perfect for me)
2. Earth
3. Fire (because of fillers)
4. Balance
5. Water
6. Air
7. Spirits
@@Lunar-dx8pvthis is the correct one.
For me its:
1. ATLA: Book 3
2. ATLA: Book 2
3. TLOK: Book 1
4. ATLA: Book 1
5. TLOK: Book 3
6. TLOK: Book 4
7. TLOK: Book 2
I love both shows, each season has its great and bad moments.
This is literally my list. You habe a good taste bro 👍
Just switch avatar season 1 and Koraa season 1 and I’m good with it
I fully agree with this list. I think Amon was the best villain in the entire show, and if they fixed some of the weak points in TLOK book 1, I probably would have ranked it higher than TLA book 2, but it would be very very close.
@@candysoda3559 Indeed, I really wish Amon wasnt just one season type of villain, would love to see more of him.
@@danielmedjedovic7068 I think I would have made the red lotus the villains for the entire series, and have Amon and the metal bending lady (don't know her name) members of the organization.
Book 1 Air
Book 2 Metal
Book 3 Balance (maybe a different name)
I would also let Amon survive season 1 and return for season 3,
And book 4 would be book 2, with some changes.
I actually love TLOK S4. It's my 2nd favorite season behind ATLA S2. Kuvira was more interesting to me than Zaheer, who, while threatening, was quite straight-forward. She had some brilliant plans. She was willing to kill her future husband to continue with her plans. She made a huge robot that carries a super-powerful laser. And I especially love how Korra convinces her to stop by reasoning with her and explaining what is wrong. It's refreshing to see a villain being stopped not by brute force.
she was mostly stopped by an incredible display of power by Korra. Can't be considered brute force obviously because the power in protection was the ability to defend herself and Kuvira from the aforementioned super-powerful laser. It was this display of power which convinced Kuvira that she would never be able to beat the power of the Avatar spirit
@@sharkiiyyy While Korra's power definately impressed Kuvira, I don't think that's what stopped her.
When they were taken to the spirit world, Kuvira still expresses the will to continue with her endeavers because she thinks that's what's good for the Earth Empire.
It's only after Korra pep-talks with her and explains how close they are to each other that Kuvira realizes her misdoings and agrees to surrender. I think it's refreshing for the hero to find the good within the villain and reasoning with her.
Further complimented by Zaheer. He realized that killing rulers won't help since new rulers will always rise up. So when he decides to help Korra heal, it feels like Korra learned that every activist has a good point. It's just important not to go too far with your extreme ideas. Therefore, when Korra decides to stop Kuvira by convincing her to stop, it feels earned and believable.
It isn't Korra's brute strength which made Kuvira stop. Korra's EMOTIONAL strength stopped her. THAT'S what Kuvira meant when she said the avatar will always be stronger than her.
Season 4 was honestly not bad imo.
It's The Best to me.. only rivaled by ATLA season 2 because of azula 😂 @@AstroSully
I like it when people have correct opinions on topics that actually matter.
“Let go your earthly tether. Enter the void. Empty, and become wind.” - Guru Laghima
Words that forever changed my perspective on life..
tales of ba sing se will forever remain my favorite episode. the tale of iroh always has me in tears HELP. masterpiece. just masterpiece
The Best season is clearly ATLA 2 but the next for me is LOK 3, it was an excellent season 🤩
My list would be:
1. ATLA Book 3: Fire 10/10
2. ATLA Book 2: Earth 10/10
3. TLOK Book 3: Change 9/10
4+5 Tied. TLOK Book 4: Balance and ATLA Book 1: Water 8/10
6. TLOK Book 1: Air 7/10
7. TLOK Book 2: Spirits 4/10
Someone with some real taste
Perfect
40:17 Nah why you gotta hit me with the extreme tearbending 🥺🥺😢😢😭
IKR 😢
7. Book 2 “spirits
6. Book 4 “Balance”
5. Book 1 “Water”
4. Book 1 “Air”
3. Book 2 “Earth”
2. Book 3 “Change”
1. Book 3 “Fire”
This one 💯
Korra's journey had so many great moments and characters, it really makes me believe haters are hating on it because they simply choose to.
Haters are stuck with ATLA as the nostalgic show and choose not to agree that LOK is a better done series
@@arielkashi4465 ok I watched korra first and then watched avtar on Netflix years later so how?
@@idriswashington2766 so how what?
Great characters? Personally, I think the characters are the weakest part of Korra.
@@arielkashi4465 that means I’m not biased due to nostalgia
Also id switch atla season 2 and 3 .....season 3 had so many memorable episodes the onlh episodes that stand out to me in season 2 was ang meeting toph for the first time and the episode where azula shot ang with the lightning meanwhile season 3 had the beach episode ,the episode where ang went to school ,the episode where we learn about blood bending and my favorite ...the episode where ang couldnt sleep and started tweaking out 😂😂😂not to mention the invasion and sozins commet episodes .
So Zuko Alone doesn't stand out? The Library? The Drill? Lake Laogai? Appa's Lost Days? The Tales of Ba Sing Se?
One of the biggest issues the entirety if the Legend of Korra faced was the fact that it was renewed season by season rather and had to be planned as such, therefore there could be no major overarching main story between seasons making them feel disjointed and had to fit essentially a full series worth of content into less episodes than they really needed to tell the story they intended to tell
I think what people don't understand is that season 3 is a continuation of season 2 in LOK ... And can we just say the metal clan is the safest place in the Avatarverse
no way he said the beach was a boring episode cause its absolutely goated
Yeah, that was a great one. Alsom Ember Island Players is a great episode and the best recap device that I've seen in TV.
1. Earth
2. Fire
3. Water
4. Change
5. Air
6. Spirits
7. Balance
Balance slam spirits and air narratively
Book 4 of Korra under S1 is just a crime
Fr
book 1 of Korra was way better
Probably the most underrated season
@heartrobin meh idk first half of S4 destroys S1 but second half of S4 is pretty mid
@@heartrobinno way... kuvira is the best villain...not strongest but best.. and she created more chaos than vaatu 😂
you wrong. The only reason why Zahir almost beat Korra is beacuse she was poisoning although she beat him faster than you think in the Avatar's state if she was in her best moment. Zahir use the smart strategy to beat her but even AAng was beat by Azula in the state of Avatar with her lightning.
Also even poisonee, she was still giving Zaheer a very solid run for his money until it became too injected into her body. An unpoisoned Korra in the avatar state would have slapped zaheer.
Yeah and no one can fly as fast as an Airbender so it was just more of running from Him and attacking when she was weak
Earth & Fire both had many incredible episodes. Season 2 had Return to Omashu, Then a bunch of epic episodes from The Blind Bandit all the way to the conclusion. Season 3 had Day of Black Sun to the conclusion with the exception of Ember Island Players. Really it's not an easy choice between them.
#1 Fire
#2 Earth
#3 Air
#4 Water
#5 Change
#6 Balance
#7 Spirits
Avatar Wan was best of season 2 of TLOK
For sure. His story alone is what fixed season 2 for me, but I can’t deny crazy ass Eska was entertaining asf 😂
Why does nobody talk about the scene where she puts Bolin in a collar and proceeds to drag him around? The story is eh, but it sure had the atla type of humor.
7. TLOK Book 2
6. TLOK Book 4
5. ATLA Book 1
4. TLOK Book 1
3. TLOK Book 3
2. ATLA Book 2
1. ATLA Book 3
You put avatar last Airbender book one twice
He meant atla book 3 I think
“I don’t see why people hate Korra and it doesn’t receive more acclaim”
*proceeds to rank 75% of it as the worst avatar seasons*
I mean, something has to come last place, and Korra had some stiff competition. Last place isn't all that bad when there's only seven spots to begin with, and one of the most well-liked western animated cartoons in existence occupies three of them
Lok book 1 should’ve been ranked higher than atla book 1 tbh. It’s more captivating and less filler-y. The only flaw it has is the fact that Amon ran away and no one bothered to hunt him down after. We as viewers know tarrlock k!lled himself, taking amon with him, but no one else in the actual show is aware of that. Then they just forget about him?
19:07, sht, I've got my part of goosebumps for today. Only need a theme of this series to get such an effect)
I know right 🥹
Great Video! I just want to say that I've been really enjoying watching a lot of these ATLA videos from you recently. The quality of your videos is amazing, especially as an upcoming creator, and I really appreciate how thorough you are when making these. As for this video, the only thing I would change even after your explanations is switching ATLA book 2 & 3. When I first watched Avatar the 2 scenes I vividly remember are the Last Agnikai and The Solstice. Despite some weak episodes, I think all the field trip episodes and major clashes as well as the final wrap-up of the show put Book 3 at the top spot. Cheers :)
Thanks 🤝🏻
Book 3 of lok is good, but it felt like it was trying to compensate from the last book.
Well, it kinda had to because book 2 was so egregiously bad.
Great video!!! Your channel is great
Thank you so much!
4:50 now me personally I was also saddened that they made Korra lose her connection to her past lives but I think they did that to "force her to struggle and think for herself" because while yes its sometimes good to learn from the past but sometimes it interferes with making decisions that stimulate progression and growth because you might end up repeat the mistakes of the past just because ppl previously did it.
* She lost the connection because of the TLAB fans, the creators got tired of Korra being compared to the other Avatars.
* I think your list is based more on your love for TLAB. I think Korra's story is better than Aang's.
*Korra's bad reputation is because fans cannot accept that Aang's time has passed. And that just as his time passes, so will Korra's.
@@jcc8174couldn’t agree more. Korra is less enjoyable than Aang, but her character arc is so well put together. In a way she was better written than Aang.
I would have never imagined someone choosing Earth over Fire in ATLA. That’s truly insane...
Makes Perfect sense to me
This is literally the perfect list
1. Fire
2. Earth
3. Change
4. Water
5. Balance
6. Air
7. Spirits
you can’t convince me otherwise
I rlly agree with this ranking
Agree. Avatar shows what strong female characters should look like. Real life Katara missed the boat.
True 😂
The original show has 1 "bad" episode, The Great Divide. Every other episode in the show is, at the worst, decent. The same can't be said for a single season of Korra. Even season 3, the only decent season, has some episodes that are a chore to get through.
Idk man, season 4 was so good at covering trauma and mental illness. I like it much more than book 3. Lok Book 1 was pretty captivating, and though I enjoy season 1 of atla, there’s just way too much filler. I’d put “air” above “water.” I found lok book 2 pretty funny, but the story line was just line was just way too lacking to make it good. The best part of it was wan.
The sheer sacrelige it takes to put LOK and ATLA in the same tier list, let alone put a LOK book above an ATLA book
The red lotus being better villains than Zhao and Book 1 Zuko, this guy is on copium.
Change featured the first time the avatar state was defeated? Umm, remember Azula?
FINALLY, someone agrees that earth is better than fire
Book 4 of TloK at #6 is crazy
How is Zaheer able to fly even tho he needed to carry entire season on his back?
This is the best list I've ever seen
Thanks 😊
For me it’s
1. Fire
2. Change
3. Earth
4. Balance
5. Air
6. Water
7. Spirits
Book 3 is better than book 2 I’m sorry, that arc of them being in the fire nation was peak fiction
Final battles ranking:
1. Korra vs Zaheer
2. Korra vs Kuvira
3. Aang vs Ozai
4. Aang & La (ocean spirit) vs fire nation attack
5. Blue Korra vs Dark Avatar
6. Aang & Katara vs Zuko & Azula
7. Korra & Mako vs Amon
Season 4 is definitely my favorite season of LOK but 3 is a close second
S4 is underrated
#1 Earth - TLA Book 2
#2 Fire - TLA Book 3
#3 Water - TLA Book 1
#4 Change - LOK Book 3
#5 AIr - LOK Book 1
#6 Balance - LOK Book 4.
#7 Spirits - LOK Book 2
I go back and forth between LOK 1 and 4. The old Toph scenes are some of my favourite parts of Korra but I remember my excitement at Book 1 and I was really drawn in my the Equalist plot even if the ending wasn't so satisfying,
I think you were a bit harsh on Ember Island Players and the Beach. Ember Islands Players had the best recap device I've seen in television. An interesting look at the fire nation perspective, how events get distorted in the telling, characters grappling with their own insecurities seeing exaggerated versions of themselves and the play was really funny.
Season 2 was a mixed bag. The second half was definitely more focused and stronger, andI felt that it did a lot right. Korra defeating Vaatu ties in with the fac that she's always defined herself by being the Avatar. Defeating Vaatu as her cosmic self ties in that the avatar never defined her.....she defined IT. Jinora appearing to help was also foreshadowed and tied in with the fact that Raava would grow within Vaatu.
I also admired that they show the AFTERMATH of the cataclysmic struggle
Book 3 of lok is my fav.
Who else noticed at 19:16 Aang was in the avatar state but his arrows weren’t glowing
Book 2 of aang is my favorite.
Hello, I agree with you...I mean I like both Avatar TLAB and LOK, however there are some epides that I personally consider usless, like Bolin making the fil in LOK, or the journey with tose clans (I don't remember the title)în the Avatar TLAB...I like that korra don't give up, (however I kind of like to keep her long and beautiful hair) anyway, great video you made good work...keep it up!
The episode name is "The Great Divide Tribes"
A lot of atla was filler, too. They were just messing around for half of season 1. Besides, that bolin filler with the eska dramma was pretty entertaining . The atla type humor was so lacking in season 1, I’m glad they made it up with varrick and all.
7. LOK Book 2
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6. LOK Book 4
5. ATLA Book 1
4. LOK Book 1
3. ATLA Book 2
2. LOK Book 3
1. ATLA Book 3 🔥
That is EXACTLY my list as well
Completely agree with the ranking btw 100%
I love Korra and it’s definitely a great show. Maybe not to the same level as the original but it’s great on its own right and I love the many world building changes and story directions the world and plot goes in
1. Fire & Earth
2. Change
3. Water
4. Balance
5. Air
WALL
6. Spirits
I understand season 2 of Korra being mid but i will NOT STAND for Varrick Slander
Love the thumbnail
While I agree TLOK S2 and S4 may be the worst seasons, everyone’s giving too much credit on Aang because of the nostalgia. People hating on Korra because she fails a lot then praising Aang for mastering the elements + energybending in a very short time are simply delusional.
If you want to be critical, be fairly critical. Saying that Korra learning airbending at the last ep of S1 was tacky? You do know avatars unleash their powers during their worst times right?
Simply put, Korra is more human, and TLOK is more mature. The villains are well defined and more meaningful. Ozai was just another firelord who wanted to conquer the world because his father said so.
Anyway, you kids go ahead and praise ATLA more 🥰
Thank you, you just said everything I wanted too 👌🏻 I like Korra very much and I think no one appreciate how human she is 😕
I like atla and korra almost the same. I really like the more mature theme for korra, but I like the depth of the characters in atla more. I'm not saying that korra is bad, it's just that I prefer atla's character aspects.
Bro you cannot be serious. The s1 finale of Korra was a huge asspull and you know it. Amon takes away korra's bending and she suddenly regains it how? "Well uh she became more spiritual and stuff". No the fuck she didn't lmao. Everything about her character was the same at the end of the season as it was at the beginning. "LoK is more mature". So mature that they dedicate half of the runtime of season one to entertaining a really forced romance plot involving all of the main characters. Please seek help
@@thealbinotadpole2878 Well if you took the time to analyze that was not the creators' fault, that was Nickalodeon's fault. But with the nostalgia for Aang you won't understand. Just another Korra hater
@@jcc8174 I was arguing against the claim that the ending makes sense and is consistent with korra's character. I know that the creators were still uncertain about the future of the show, everyone does. Trying to say that korra learning airbending from nowhere was actually a logical writing choice is absolutely absurd. Just another 13 year old korra fan.
This guy can make his mind up on how to pronounce Tenzin
I couldn't agree more for this list
I personally would've put Book 3 of ATLA under Book 1 of ATLA, with Book 3 of TLOK going above Book 3 of ATLA and below Book 1 of ATLA. I like Book 3 of ATLA, but it's the season that has pretty big problems like Aang suddenly learning and using spirit bending as his solution to defeat the Fire Lord, not to mention that the first half leading up to the day of the Black Sun was pretty forgettable. Book 1 of ATLA on the other hand does a great job of establishing and developing the new war torn world, its characters, and has in my opinion a great finale in the Northern Water Tribe.
Perfect list
Totally agree
6:08 tf did you just say?? Bro Ozai is goated villain underrated fr
Where can i watch full episodes of TLA
I might be the only one who would say lok season 2 is overhated ....i think season 4 was way worst bro the moment they brought in a big metal robot i was begining to wonder if i was watchinh an avatar series plus kuvira motivation was trash even tho she is good as a character and villain...id switcg season 2 of lok with season 4 and thats about it the list is good
It's not like in ATLA they already had the technology to have a big ass tank with a big ass drill...
I don't feel like the giant mecha is that bad of a thing, especially because Kuvira used metalbending to control it, which is pretty resourceful and cool.
Hell nah s4 slam s2 narratively and character wise
Fire, Earth, Change, Water, Air, Balance, Spirits done
Bro in my opinion i think s2 atla is tied with tlok s3
You know avatar is amazing when #6 out of 7 is described as complex and good
ATLA book 3 / ATLA book 2
ATLA book 1
LOK book 3
LOK book 1
LOK book 4
LOK book 2
My take
Solid
ATLA 2 and LOK 3 are the best
Can’t wait for a new avatar series
For me Book 3 Change of Korra is the best book in the entire Avatar Universe. Avatar The Last Airbender of course had a better story overall but as an individual book there was nothing for me that will top that book
1. LOK 3
2. ATLA 2
3. ATLA 3
4. LOK 4
5. ATLA 1
6. LOK 1
7. LOK 2
Good take
For me the best thing LoK did was avatar wan's history ive watched it like 10 times, but havent rewatched korra at all 😂
Could you elaborate please? I genuinely want to know what someone would like about the Avatar Wan episodes 😆 🙏
@@Drm3221 of course, Lore
I agree with this ranking completely except for the fact that I personally think atla book one is slightly better than korra book 3
W ranking
In my opinion the rank is like that number 7 is book 2 korra
number 6 is book 4 korra
number 5 is book 1 ang
number 4 is book 1 korra
Number 3 is book 2 ang
Number 2 is book 3 ang
Number 1 is book 3 korra
Most agreeable tier list ever
I honestly think LOK4 is worst than LOK2. But other than those, the rest are solid rankings. Great 5.6K subs milestone 🎉
Thanks 😊
I just had an epiphany , why did toph say 'smack that grin off your face' isn't she like..BLIND?😭😭😭
Putting any LOK over ATLA is criminal
Its one season bro relax
True, in no way is korra above ATLA💀💀
1. ALTA Book 3
2. ALTA Book 2
3. ALTA Book 1
4. LOK Book 3
5. LOK Book 1
6. LOK Book 4
LOK Book 2
23:56 aang going into avatar state, Azula: No no no buddy
My ranking is
ATLA: Fire
LOK: Balance
LOK: Air
LOK: Change
ATLA: Earth
ATLA: Water
LOK: Spirits
Where i can watch tlok? Cuz i forgor
Netflix
Book 3 where momo and appa duel, whilst being uninspired, is still one of my favourite scenes. It’s so funny hearing them talk not to mention aang is tripping balls 😂😂
1. Earth
2. Change
3. Fire
4. Water
5. Air
6. Balance
7. Spirits
7.) Book 2: Spirits
6.) Book 1: Air
5.) Book 4: Balance
4.) Book 3: Change
3.) Book 1: Water
2.) Book 2: Earth
1.) Book 3: Fire
you're a simp to ATLA
I liked TLOK S2 personally tbh
My Top is
1 : Atla book 3
2 : Atla book 2
3 : Tlok book 1
4 : Tlok book 3
5 : Atla book 1
6 : Tlok book 2
7 : Tlok book 4
In the way we need to accept the story of Vaatu and Raava
Book 4 slam book2 not even funny
I completely agree with the list
Book 2 had the most potential. The idea of a dark avatar is great. The idea of Avatar Won, Korra connecting with spirits and even spirit bending. I think had it been the last season and been executed well, there could have been a big reveal that Unaloq was apart of the Red Lotus and they ideally could have had a cooler light avatar vs dark avatar fight. Definitely no giants.... and then no jenora doing some random spirit stuff. I wish they would have went into depth about Avatar Won and given him more episodes. Perhaps even reveal more lion turtles. And if it's true that the next Avatar is supposed to have more energy blasts and spirits, Korra leaving the spirit world open and spirit bending could have been a great finale with a bit of foreshadowing