Awesome! I was wondering what to do if my wood boiler's pump stopped working. Had me nervous. Well, you just answered that question as well. I have the Taco 007 for my CL6048, but the previous owner left me a brand new spare pump in a shelf which I discovered when I moved here a few months ago. Thanks again for showing us how to do it, Jay!
Glad I could help! I think you have the 007 since you are not running water uphill. The 009 is stronger than the 007 but mine is pushing water uphill about 100ft and yours seems to be pushing water prob half that distance and no elevation change just from what ive seen. This is why i wanted to share so when it happens (hope not) you will know what to do! Thanks for watching buddy!
@@HomesteadJay You are correct Jay. My 007 is pushing water sideways and then downward to about 50 or so feet. It's just a matter of time before mine fails too but now I know what to do. Thanks again.
@@HomesteadJay More misinformation If the lines are properly purged of air the elevation makes no difference .... Learn about hydronics before you sound so ignorant again
Good evening Sir, you have a very good sence of humor 👍😉👌 Yes that pump is KAPUT 🤣 Go Go Gadget 🤣👌👍 Yes always support the local dealers 👍👌😉 Great idea by marking bolts 👌👍😉 Very well done emergency fixing Sir 👌👍😉 Keep warm Cheers 🍻
Thank you Dave! I will always support my local stove shoppe. I am sure I could have gotten a new pump somewhere shipped but rather support my local shop! Thanks Dave!
Those pumps are pretty simple but man do they work hard. You might consider writing the date of installation on the pump because chances are you won’t have the receipt or remember when you did it. It will also help the next owner. I have a similar pump that circulates the glycol mixture in my in floor heating system and in my workshop the pump was undersized. It was very easy for the technician to swap the pump out for a higher capacity pump. They are the same physical size. Good video - stay warm!
Hey Greg! Good idea indeed to make a note of it! The new more efficient ones are the same size so no plumbing changes are needed so I will get a spare 0015e3 to have on hand if this one goes south but hopefully its good for a while! I do not know if and how many times it was changed before 2014 when we moved in but I havent touched it in 6 years so at least I know it ran at least 6 years lol
That pump was definitely cooked hahaha!! Typically stuff like that happens when it's -20 out...not 45 lol!! Looked to be the original on there....if it was wow that lasted a long time! Stay safe my friend
Good morning Jay Yup very common.. I always keep at least one on hand.. I had two for over 30 years sitting in the box.. 3 years ago we changed from oil to propane and they used both pumps for the install.. He laughed when he saw the price tag on the boxes.. they are 3 times the price now.. hahahah They are easy to change out.. At least you have oil backup.. As always stay safe and always be kind my friend. Go 603
Jay, that's a very common problem. Some people say to put a brass spin down filter to help keep the impurities out of the water. That way the impeller doesn't get eaten up. Also, Central boiler recommends to lower the pump by installing a longer pipe above the pump this gives the pump more head. When possible its not a bad idea to pick up another pump to have on the shelf.
Well said Larry but don’t expect him to listen He has 1 1/4” line and should have put on a 0015e3 months ago He wouldn’t listen then but just complains about the problem now...
@@luvdogsandhorses wow! 1-1/4" line? That's a big line. All of my lines are 1" a 009 pump is a big pump. But with that big of a line water velocity does come into play. I have a 180' run and run a smaller Grundfos. The 009 was very noisy like it wasn't happy with only 6' of head.
@@larry8791 You are correct He should have at least a 6” nipple before the pump He also should have gotten the air out of the pump before leaving it Also, if you look at 009 pump specs it won’t move a lot of water volume A 0015e3 would use about 1/4 of the electricity snd move more water
Dale, I didnt install this unit, I didnt do the head space, I didnt bury the pex. I am so tired of your negativity on this channel. This is exactly how I got it I inherited the machine as you see it. Now it works for me why would I go and tear out all the piping and upgrade all these pumps and dump all that extra money into a machine which I have no idea how long its going to last...
Dale if you read the overlay in the video the 0015e was backordered and I couldnt wait because it was 17 degrees that night. I dont have money to just blow for no reason this is why I didnt upgrade the pump months ago.
Hi Jay Love you videos. I do videos for my CB 1450. I recently have been going through pumps and when I called Taco they said the ambient air where the pump is located should not exceed 105 degrees. Well I put a basic thermometer in the pump location is recorded 156 degrees. Ugh. Not sure why I have been going through pumps. Ran a taco 0010 for 9 years and now I am on a taco 2400 WB2. They said that is made for a wood boiler. Anyway. Just wanted to say hello and keep up the good work. Tom walsh
Hey Tom! Not sure why you are having issues with pumps overheating. Usually the Tacos are designed and built for these machines. Maybe the new Tacos are not designed for the boilers? I have no idea where to start. Let me know cause thats an interesting thing to be happening!
hi there good fix . Not that it matters but i think Taco now makes a direct replacement pump that uses a fraction of the electric. so if you ever wanted to go solar . you also may look into if they make that cartridge with a brass or stainless impeller . but for 15 years don't think its nessasary . . good fix john
Nice easy fix Jay. I find it rather interesting that other than a door gasket the only issue you might have with a boiler would be a pump. People do not have a spare on hand. It turns into a crisis that you run all over trying to find one or pay overnight shipping. I JUST DON'T GET IT???? It's like going to get one furnace filter at a time at the store. Maybe it's just the boy scout in me to "be prepared". Best o luck pal.👍
FYI 2 years ago I had a pen hole leak in the brass pump flange mount. The water flow wore away the brass. I have 2 pumps because I heat my house and my brother’s next door. This year I drained the boiler and replaced all fittings and shut offs. The other pump would have had a hole this year. The new mounts swivel so you can angle the pump slightly to make it easier to change the cartridge. I put in the new moly armor this year. I still have one 009 and put on the new 0015e3. Hopefully the moly armor is better on the cartridges.
Hey Chris. I do wonder if the moly armor would help or not. I know sediment is a killer for pumps so im sure that had something to do with the wear out. Thats cool how the new mounts swivel that is cool to hear! Deff something to do for the next machine to make life easier. I will get the 0015e3 at some point as a spare!
@@luvdogsandhorses the pH always tested right but the nitrite was always about 30000ppm instead of 2000- 1000ppm. Always used 2 jugs of central boiler 165 corrosion inhibitor per instructions. The new moly armor tested right pH and ppm. Hopefully it works better
@@chrismartin4776 me too I’ve been reading ...not Central Boiler info and most serious boiler companies recommend checking ph level corrosion chemical levels and EC and sometimes even more factors
Excellent job fixing the pump however, I do have any question if your pump is mounted on the high side of the tank meaning the top it should be pulling water from the very bottom of the boiler. The reason is, you will not get a good circulation of the boiler and will shorten the life of the boiler and the pump.
Hey Jay, How have you been doing? Got a lot of catching up to do on your video's. This was a great video because it involves a bunch of the folks you have on here. Those Taco pumps are very good pumps. Mine has been going since 2008, the original pump. I think I will get one so I will be ready. Mine pumps about a 100 ft also. Hope all the family are doing well! Have a great day buddy.
BRUCE! Thanks for tuning in! Good to hear from you welcome back! You know your always welcome haha glad you have had good luck with you Taco as well! Hope the fam is doing well! God bless my friend!
Just a suggestion. I see you had to bend the upper ball valve valve handle so it won't hit the electric box on that Taco pump. You can unbolt and rotate the pump cartridge housing 90 degrees towards you so the electric box is no longer in the way of the ball valve handle.
Yeah the new more efficient pumps were back ordered so I needed to fix it same day as it was freezing temps that night. I was happy to get it running thats all I cared about
Pump sounds like it has air in it. The sound should be a faint humming when all the air is bled out. If left like that the cartridge will seize in just a few days.
The pump is quiet now and running like it should. The loop is a open loop meaning no pressure so any bubbles will exit the top of the machine via vent cap.
@@HomesteadJay Awesome! I didn’t have the same luck but I’m glad you did. The air just seemed to struggle to purge all the way through and instead stayed in the pump till it seized.
@@thatsreality1162 So far so good. I did what I was told to do. Not sure how to purge air out any other way except run it. There is no Bleed valve anywhere so I did what I thought was right. ill call the shop tomorrow and see if they recommend any different way to get air out.
Hey Jay, you're better off how you went about fixing it. I ordered one through a plumber friend for the 5036 out of desperation during the recent cold spell. The pump was 500$. Now I know to get the propeller fixed in 10+ years, hopefully.
Was the propeller made of plastic? I'm going to buy a spare pump to have on hand after watching this. How old is your boiler? Ours is going on 11-12 years old, and I'm sure it has the original pump still. I would be freaking out if it croaked in the middle of winter!
Yes the props are plastic. I have been here for 6 seasons and havent changed it once so this was the first time. My unit was installed in 2008 I have no idea if this was the original pump or not but hopefully she runs great now!
Next time take the 4 bolts off if replacing the hole pump , As a boiler owner for 20 plus years I have done it a few times , Also when u have spare cash buy 2 so u have them on the shelf , I went through 2 009 , then went to the 0010 with 3 settings it’s a huge difference ,
U have air trapped inside the pump as u did not allow the air to escape as u opened the valves, it’s called cavitation and it will destroy your new pump and water flow through system reduced.
This is a open loop system so the air works its way out. These boilers are not pressure boilers. Theres a loose fitting vent at the top any air in the lines will work out. Theres no other way to really change this pump out in this particular situation
@@loodusefilm7881 why do you think brass would not last any longer than plastic? They make brass impellers all the time and I’ve had them last. What would make brass not last??
Might be bronze rather than brass. Metal impellers have a tendency to corrode. They have a particular tendency to come apart at the connections if the impeller is built up rather than cast.
Awesome! I was wondering what to do if my wood boiler's pump stopped working. Had me nervous. Well, you just answered that question as well. I have the Taco 007 for my CL6048, but the previous owner left me a brand new spare pump in a shelf which I discovered when I moved here a few months ago. Thanks again for showing us how to do it, Jay!
Glad I could help! I think you have the 007 since you are not running water uphill. The 009 is stronger than the 007 but mine is pushing water uphill about 100ft and yours seems to be pushing water prob half that distance and no elevation change just from what ive seen. This is why i wanted to share so when it happens (hope not) you will know what to do! Thanks for watching buddy!
@@HomesteadJay You are correct Jay. My 007 is pushing water sideways and then downward to about 50 or so feet. It's just a matter of time before mine fails too but now I know what to do. Thanks again.
@@oviduran Happy to help my friend!
@@HomesteadJay
More misinformation
If the lines are properly purged of air the elevation makes no difference ....
Learn about hydronics before you sound so ignorant again
@@oviduran you do know that the elevation difference doesn’t affect the pump performance don’t you ?
Good evening Sir, you have a very good sence of humor 👍😉👌 Yes that pump is KAPUT 🤣 Go Go Gadget 🤣👌👍 Yes always support the local dealers 👍👌😉 Great idea by marking bolts 👌👍😉 Very well done emergency fixing Sir 👌👍😉 Keep warm Cheers 🍻
Thank you Dave! I will always support my local stove shoppe. I am sure I could have gotten a new pump somewhere shipped but rather support my local shop! Thanks Dave!
@@HomesteadJay That is a great spirits Sir 👌👍😇
Those pumps are pretty simple but man do they work hard. You might consider writing the date of installation on the pump because chances are you won’t have the receipt or remember when you did it. It will also help the next owner. I have a similar pump that circulates the glycol mixture in my in floor heating system and in my workshop the pump was undersized. It was very easy for the technician to swap the pump out for a higher capacity pump. They are the same physical size. Good video - stay warm!
Hey Greg! Good idea indeed to make a note of it! The new more efficient ones are the same size so no plumbing changes are needed so I will get a spare 0015e3 to have on hand if this one goes south but hopefully its good for a while! I do not know if and how many times it was changed before 2014 when we moved in but I havent touched it in 6 years so at least I know it ran at least 6 years lol
The date of manufacture is already on the Taco 009
That’s what the warranty goes by
That pump was definitely cooked hahaha!! Typically stuff like that happens when it's -20 out...not 45 lol!! Looked to be the original on there....if it was wow that lasted a long time! Stay safe my friend
Hey Tim! I was lucky it was warm out hahah this pump was smoked indeed!
Good morning Jay
Yup very common..
I always keep at least one on hand..
I had two for over 30 years sitting in the box.. 3 years ago we changed from oil to propane and they used both pumps for the install.. He laughed when he saw the price tag on the boxes.. they are 3 times the price now.. hahahah
They are easy to change out..
At least you have oil backup..
As always stay safe and always be kind my friend.
Go 603
Hey Gus, Im sure the prices have risen lol glad I got this fixed I will deff pick up some extra parts when I get some extra cash.
Good job Jay...ordering some ' Stock' tomorrow!
I know. I need to as well
That sure was rotten!
As soon as we bought our house I made sure to buy a backup! Always at the worst time eh
Yes I need to have a backup indeed! Or I should haha
Good video. Just replaced draft door selenoid, I figure pump is next!! Mine is a '06 classic also.
Wouldn’t hurt to have it on hand indeed! I need to pick up another solenoid too
Jay, that's a very common problem. Some people say to put a brass spin down filter to help keep the impurities out of the water. That way the impeller doesn't get eaten up. Also, Central boiler recommends to lower the pump by installing a longer pipe above the pump this gives the pump more head. When possible its not a bad idea to pick up another pump to have on the shelf.
Well said Larry but don’t expect him to listen
He has 1 1/4” line and should have put on a 0015e3 months ago
He wouldn’t listen then but just complains about the problem now...
@@luvdogsandhorses wow! 1-1/4" line? That's a big line. All of my lines are 1" a 009 pump is a big pump. But with that big of a line water velocity does come into play. I have a 180' run and run a smaller Grundfos. The 009 was very noisy like it wasn't happy with only 6' of head.
@@larry8791
You are correct
He should have at least a 6” nipple before the pump
He also should have gotten the air out of the pump before leaving it
Also, if you look at 009 pump specs it won’t move a lot of water volume
A 0015e3 would use about 1/4 of the electricity snd move more water
Dale, I didnt install this unit, I didnt do the head space, I didnt bury the pex. I am so tired of your negativity on this channel. This is exactly how I got it I inherited the machine as you see it. Now it works for me why would I go and tear out all the piping and upgrade all these pumps and dump all that extra money into a machine which I have no idea how long its going to last...
Dale if you read the overlay in the video the 0015e was backordered and I couldnt wait because it was 17 degrees that night. I dont have money to just blow for no reason this is why I didnt upgrade the pump months ago.
Hi Jay
Love you videos. I do videos for my CB 1450. I recently have been going through pumps and when I called Taco they said the ambient air where the pump is located should not exceed 105 degrees. Well I put a basic thermometer in the pump location is recorded 156 degrees. Ugh. Not sure why I have been going through pumps. Ran a taco 0010 for 9 years and now I am on a taco 2400 WB2. They said that is made for a wood boiler. Anyway. Just wanted to say hello and keep up the good work.
Tom walsh
Hey Tom! Not sure why you are having issues with pumps overheating. Usually the Tacos are designed and built for these machines. Maybe the new Tacos are not designed for the boilers? I have no idea where to start. Let me know cause thats an interesting thing to be happening!
hi there good fix . Not that it matters but i think Taco now makes a direct replacement pump that uses a fraction of the electric. so if you ever wanted to go solar . you also may look into if they make that cartridge with a brass or stainless impeller . but for 15 years don't think its nessasary . . good fix john
Hey John. The new most efficient pumps were back ordered so I couldn't wait for that to arrive I needed to fix it same day of course.
Nice easy fix Jay. I find it rather interesting that other than a door gasket the only issue you might have with a boiler would be a pump. People do not have a spare on hand.
It turns into a crisis that you run all over trying to find one or pay overnight shipping. I JUST DON'T GET IT????
It's like going to get one furnace filter at a time at the store. Maybe it's just the boy scout in me to "be prepared". Best o luck pal.👍
Oh yes my friend since this day I have extra parts both pump,. gaskets, and switches! Dont want to be screwed again!
FYI 2 years ago I had a pen hole leak in the brass pump flange mount. The water flow wore away the brass. I have 2 pumps because I heat my house and my brother’s next door. This year I drained the boiler and replaced all fittings and shut offs. The other pump would have had a hole this year. The new mounts swivel so you can angle the pump slightly to make it easier to change the cartridge. I put in the new moly armor this year. I still have one 009 and put on the new 0015e3. Hopefully the moly armor is better on the cartridges.
Hey Chris. I do wonder if the moly armor would help or not. I know sediment is a killer for pumps so im sure that had something to do with the wear out. Thats cool how the new mounts swivel that is cool to hear! Deff something to do for the next machine to make life easier. I will get the 0015e3 at some point as a spare!
You may want to check your PH
That could be an issue
Too low or too high causes that problem
@@luvdogsandhorses the pH always tested right but the nitrite was always about 30000ppm instead of 2000- 1000ppm. Always used 2 jugs of central boiler 165 corrosion inhibitor per instructions. The new moly armor tested right pH and ppm. Hopefully it works better
@@chrismartin4776 me too
I’ve been reading ...not Central Boiler info and most serious boiler companies recommend checking ph level corrosion chemical levels and EC and sometimes even more factors
Excellent job fixing the pump however, I do have any question if your pump is mounted on the high side of the tank meaning the top it should be pulling water from the very bottom of the boiler. The reason is, you will not get a good circulation of the boiler and will shorten the life of the boiler and the pump.
I guess they do this for a reason. It’s not like a normal water tank or heater. The pipes and pump
Are set up like this from the factory
Hey Jay, How have you been doing? Got a lot of catching up to do on your video's. This was a great video because it involves a bunch of the folks you have on here. Those Taco pumps are very good pumps. Mine has been going since 2008, the original pump. I think I will get one so I will be ready. Mine pumps about a 100 ft also. Hope all the family are doing well! Have a great day buddy.
BRUCE! Thanks for tuning in! Good to hear from you welcome back! You know your always welcome haha glad you have had good luck with you Taco as well! Hope the fam is doing well! God bless my friend!
Probably be a smart idea just to have a extra pump on hand ! 9 times out 10 they fail at the worst time
Yes indeed. Thats the idea. I take for granted that the boiler shop is within 40 mins from me thats why I havent stocked up on spare parts.
Just a suggestion. I see you had to bend the upper ball valve valve handle so it won't hit the electric box on that Taco pump. You can unbolt and rotate the pump cartridge housing 90 degrees towards you so the electric box is no longer in the way of the ball valve handle.
Hmm good point! If I have to do this again (hopefully not) I will indeed check into that!
Great fix Jay. At least it was warm when it happen
Yes very lucky!
Had the same thing a year ago. I could only find a hole new pump cost $240.00.
Yeah the new more efficient pumps were back ordered so I needed to fix it same day as it was freezing temps that night. I was happy to get it running thats all I cared about
Any more circ pumps to do? Might aswell order parts and have them ready.
No this is the only one on the unit. I will get eventually a new spare pump to have.
Pump sounds like it has air in it. The sound should be a faint humming when all the air is bled out. If left like that the cartridge will seize in just a few days.
The pump is quiet now and running like it should. The loop is a open loop meaning no pressure so any bubbles will exit the top of the machine via vent cap.
@@HomesteadJay Awesome! I didn’t have the same luck but I’m glad you did. The air just seemed to struggle to purge all the way through and instead stayed in the pump till it seized.
@@thatsreality1162 So far so good. I did what I was told to do. Not sure how to purge air out any other way except run it. There is no Bleed valve anywhere so I did what I thought was right. ill call the shop tomorrow and see if they recommend any different way to get air out.
I’m going to order some spare parts
I’m sure mine will go out on the coldest day of the year
I know. I got lucky...
Nice job Jay!
Thanks for sharing,
DC
Thanks Dan!
Great video. Glad I can see your experience before I have a failure and have to fix with no prior knowledge. Keep up the good work.
Glad to help!
Hey Jay, you're better off how you went about fixing it. I ordered one through a plumber friend for the 5036 out of desperation during the recent cold spell. The pump was 500$. Now I know to get the propeller fixed in 10+ years, hopefully.
Yeah these pump and parts are not cheap indeed! Well glad you know how to save about half the cost if need arises!
Not me thinking to take it off the shutoff flanges so it’s easier to deal with
Yeah having the shut offs was key so 400 gallons didnt rush out haha
Very informative. Thanks for sharing
Glad it was helpful!!
There should been a way to have the pump set up on that
Thanks for watching Eric!
@@HomesteadJay nope problem
awesome instructional video
Thank you!
Was the propeller made of plastic? I'm going to buy a spare pump to have on hand after watching this. How old is your boiler? Ours is going on 11-12 years old, and I'm sure it has the original pump still. I would be freaking out if it croaked in the middle of winter!
I agree Jamie...installed mine new in 2008...Im gonna get out my file on it and get a replacement pump on the shelf !
Yes the props are plastic. I have been here for 6 seasons and havent changed it once so this was the first time. My unit was installed in 2008 I have no idea if this was the original pump or not but hopefully she runs great now!
The boiler does not come with the pump the pump is put on at installation time
I figured! Was just thinking out loud.
Are you on well water
Yes. I use a sediment filter when I changed the water last.
400 US gallons above the pump level? thats 3200 lbs!
Yes indeed! Thats why I was nervous about breaking into it lol
Next time take the 4 bolts off if replacing the hole pump , As a boiler owner for 20 plus years I have done it a few times , Also when u have spare cash buy 2 so u have them on the shelf , I went through 2 009 , then went to the 0010 with 3 settings it’s a huge difference ,
Yeah thats the plan but they were all back ordered and as you know I needed this back up and running asap! So I did what I had to do.
@@HomesteadJay curious how other boilers and how people have set up like circulator in the house or on the boiler like yours or other options
U have air trapped inside the pump as u did not allow the air to escape as u opened the valves, it’s called cavitation and it will destroy your new pump and water flow through system reduced.
This is a open loop system so the air works its way out. These boilers are not pressure boilers. Theres a loose fitting vent at the top any air in the lines will work out. Theres no other way to really change this pump out in this particular situation
She looks like Kevin's girlfriend from gold rush
You really should wear a seatbelt.
I do! Not sure why I wasnt in the video lol
I just don’t understand why taco makes the impellers out of a type of plastic and not brass. Always cheating out on something.
Brass don't last longer but it's more expensive.
@@loodusefilm7881 why do you think brass would not last any longer than plastic? They make brass impellers all the time and I’ve had them last. What would make brass not last??
@@mainelyelectric Because it all comes from water. If you have small particles at water it would wear brass out same like plastic.
Not sure of the mechanics of brass or plastic but im sure they have their reasons.
Might be bronze rather than brass. Metal impellers have a tendency to corrode. They have a particular tendency to come apart at the connections if the impeller is built up rather than cast.