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If you stored TWO years worth of wood near wood boiler, you would never need access in snow and sloppy conditions. Just my two cents, sitting in a recliner in Superior WI. Love your channel Joe.
haha. I agree with you "in theory." In practice I will have to get back to you on that LOL
Great Video as always Joe. Yes maintenance is Extremely important on your Furnace. You are so Right to do that to it. I am the Same with my Woodstove Downstairs in the Basement. Every 4weeks I clean the Stove Pipe and Chimney. It has to be Done. I am home Recovering from my Stent Surgery. Got home on Monday and the Logs came the same day. It's Locust, Oak (your Favorite). Can't wait to Cut some up. Going to be at Least another 1week to 1 1/2wks. Very lite duty, nothing to much. I do want to Thank You for wondering how I was doing. I do not remember to much of what happened to me, all I know I was out getting some Wood ready to cut, when suddenly I could not Breath. It was Scary. Now that I got my Wake up call I am not pushing it. Thank You and be in touch Buddy. Ron from the Woodyard in Duanesburg NY.
sounds like you dodged a bullet Ron. Be safe up there especially lifting those oak rounds
Greetings Joe. Think I've mentioned it before but my hardy is middle sized one and I have 6 grates in mine. One thing I done when I poured my slab, I poured it 12" more about ground. Saves some bending over farther. Something else I done was bypass my hot water heater so my hot water comes directly from stove. Of course I shut the water heater off. But anyway, that's for sharing your stove matinence. Until next time have a great day!!!
Thanks JC. I flip the breaker on my hot water tank and just let the hardy fill it up with hot water. Never tell the difference
Grate video Joe. You remind me of family man who is a car mechanic whose car is the last one to get fixed, the firewood guy always behind on delivers to his own heat source. Y'all have a great 👍 day
haha very true. I had always said the mechanic has the worst running car in town
I don't know why, but I really enjoy your wood shed videos!
thanks andy
It's the sense of housing and heat security you get from a woodshed and outdoor boiler like you get from a well stocked walk-in pantry
Thanks alot for the advice. I'm just putting my boiler into service this week and I'll be sure to check the grates. I never would have thought of that.
glad I can help Jim
Good time for a little maintenance.
sure was...nice warm weather and dry
I think you need a bigger diameter grate flipping rod to move and flip the grates in your outdoor wood furnace .
You ever think about lining your furnace with firebrick to burn coal in there along with the wood?😊
The hardy's are tried and true. I think the grate deal is due to user error lol
Interesting ! I think I remember a video of you replacing those grates . I don’t blame you for trying to make things last longer .
Thanks Eric
Looks like the blower puts the most air in the center. If you deflect the airstream to the sides. The center temperature will drop. The burning will than happen hoger in the firebox.
At the quantity of oxygen will be the same. Try to spread the temperature and safe your grates 😊
I think the problem is caused by me. I let the ash build up too close to the grates and that retains too much heat around them
I was thinking the grates were going to be in worse shape than they were. Hope some of the comments can provide a solution for your grate graveyard! Have a great day Joe!
You and me both Obie!
Good to see you in a bonus video this week. I watch Spencer all the time
That was a lot of fun! Thanks for watching Dave!
Hey Joe, David from Kansas City here. I was wondering if there might be a baffle or diffuser missing between the fan input and the firebox. I think I saw some other people say they didn't have that grate burnout problem on their boilers. By way of analogy jet engines have a set of inlets or baffles/ports to get the air into the combustion chamber in a specific way, ...In your case you want to defuse The air more widely instead of making a blacksmith forge...🔥
I am not sure about that Dave. I have seen other Hardy's and they are all the same. I do think my probs is I get lazy shoveling out the ash and that builds up extra heat around the grates. I do think the "forge" idea is accurate however. Some of the slats will look like a blow torch at times
Hey Joe, that’s an expensive cost each year, I’d say it’s a design in issue or build issue that the suppliers are happy to accept as people keep buying replacements. Sounds like there are options out there for a longer life solution.
Thanks for the video.
My hardy dealer says the lazy guys have the least trouble. Leave the ashes in the bottom and dont stir the top. You dont want to burn directly on the grates. Also when you clean out the ashes it should be fluffy powder. Big chunks in the bottom pan means its getting stirred to much.
Interesting. thanks for the intel jared
Free Heat Gang!!
haha that's what I say too. No gas bill!
Why don't you get some masonry fire brick or something welded up to support the middle of the grates? It appears the grates are only supported on the outer edges and therefore bridge the firebox - many bridges in the real world have intermediate supports.
I had thought of that but I'm not sure how ash removal would be. Thanks Greg
The larger hardy H5 has an I beam down the middle to support the grates
Grate job, Joe! 👍
Thanks RG! 👍
Wow those grates were hot🔥👍
I could barely see the grates from the heat comin' off them.
Your best camera person must be home from school.
Sounds like a flaw in the stove. I have been using an outdoor furnace for 12 years with no major issues. Just replace rope seal on door one time. No grates to burn out. If they where made of stainless steel they would take the heat better.
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thanks Carl
The front two grates are bending when you put wood into your boiler the back one doesn’t get the abuse
That's the way I see it too buddy
Hey 👋 Joe
Hey there
Hi there
You would think that they would be a side door so that it would be more accessible to lifting those metal pieces out of instead of having to lean in and lifting them up and out of the front door and back in
The firebox is surrounded by a water tank. It is 100 gallons
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thanks
I understand Bob Nelson is no longer with JAPA.
Who is handling your JAPA service needs? He is now with Wolfridge.
Metsa Machines has a strong bench. They are still my dealer and are very responsive.
your new nickname should be sloopy joe.................clean up that messy yard
I'm good. Thanks
hi there looking good . wood boilers are nice but it takes a hands on type person , best to all john
Thanks John!
OHIO has/had a lot of iron foundries in it. have you showed the grates design and explained the burning/bending/deterioration issues to log hauler jessie? I'm sure he knows how to recommend/build a better design/material/method or refer a/some welder to design/fabricate a replacement set of grates for you less than $300+ a set.
I know a guy who torched him a set out of old storm drain grates
Very interesting. Thanks Joe. You know the old saying, nothing is ever free
No doubt. That was dad's favorite lesson.
Simple news but very good learning on the outdoor furnace.
Thanks Denny. Not all the furnaces have grates like mine but being it is stainless steel construction I don't have any responsibilities with treating the water ph etc.
I accidentally was listening to the show on .75 playback speed. Sounded like you traded the Dr Pepper for something stronger
haha. That must have been painful to listen to brian. I'm not the fastest speaker in the world!
Snow n cold here in mi last week.warming this week.
Hi Joe!!😀😀
I found grates on the internet delivered to the house for around 60 dollars this year. Took only 2 days to get them.
I have never had a bed of coals burning in my ash box. You are cooking your grates on both sides. That's why they don't last.
Take care my friend!!😀😀💚💚
Logger Al
very interesting Al. Never thought of that. I drive over to Cherry Valley to see Mrs Shadel. Best dealer in the couintry
if you were born on the moors like me you wouldn't feel the cold, I'm tough😅
haha. I had always said that being from Ohio but seems the older I get the more I struggle with the heat of summer and the cold of winter LOL
With all the beautiful logs LHJ is bringing you these days, you're gonna have to go visit the other Joe for some "premium" to throw in the stove next year!
haha. You made me laugh this morn Dan
You mean, Joe Danger? Lol
@@ohiowoodburner The world needs more laughter
Hi Joe - it's Big Rodders in Ireland. The grates on my 50,000BTU stove burnt out and I made replacements from 1/2inch rebar welded together that I acquired for free. You could either get replacement grates made from heavier rebar or get additional grates made from rebar that would sit on your existing ones thereby protecting them by absorbing some of the heat. Also, you could get Log Haulier Jesse to make you up a set from old truck leaf springs. The thought of having a $300 replacement bill would certainly get my creative juices going!
Good to know the options
Joe iiii iiii been thinking 🤔 you need to move your grates higher into the wood 🪵 boiler . Still work plus get more life out off your grates remember burn 🔥 apple , alder and other hot 🥵 burn firewood 🪵 will meld steel . So if rises your grates higher from the hot 🥵 burning coal below in wood 🪵 boiler . Jesse probably cut you pcs off steel to run along the boiler for more high . Hey just my 2 cents in getting more LIFE out off your grates buddy . Great video joe . HAPPY VALENTINE’S DAY party 🎉 tonight music 🎶 and friends we are Irish ☘️ we love 💕 to drink 🍺 to break up 🔝 the winter 🥶 month in the 709 😊. Remember LIFE is POOR 😢😢in the 709 ! 😊😊
haha thanks Len. I think if I were to be better shoveling the ash I wouldnt have near the probs that I do
LHJ KNOWS ALL!
Looking great Joe.. i will admit it nice to see analog stuff still working in the digital age. Just like an older vehicle. 😉👍
I agree but I wish I was able to monitor mine thru an app
Joe, this weather is great for my maple syrup season over here in Stark County! I use those welders gloves for my maple evaporator...and yep...gotta replace them every year. I use a wood-fired evaporator...lots of wood at my place seasoning a year out 👍
I use them prob for more than what they are meant for but they do a nice job protecting my arm hairs when I'm filling the box
Wow!! Glad I don't have to do that with my Central Boiler. I think I would have a second set and rotate to avoid putting hot grates back in. Does not look like fun.
I do it a couple times a season. I think if I were to do a better job of ash removal they would last longer. The ash build up I think keeps more heat built up in them and then they struggle
Ash buildup has ruined more grates the cooling air flow from the bottom is essential
I find these to be just fascinating! I wonder if you could have custom grates made that would be stronger? It would be amazing if you could melt the old ones down and use it for something.
I had thought of that but not sure what or how or where I could do that
Decided that eventually I'll get the Japa 365. Use my log splitter for the bigger wood. Then I'll need a dump trailer. Need a dump trailer anyway to do bigger deliveries, but need the processing spees to be able to go after restaurants. That's what your channel has gotten me to do, go after building inventory and get the type of customer that is steady lole the restaurants.
sounds like a good plan Doc. That 365 is awesome!
I wonder if flipping them actually makes them break sooner. When they sag or bend then get flipped over so they sag the other way. Just a thought but seems to me they would break sooner that way
interesting thought Nate. Thanks for giving me a headache! LOL
Hi Joe, Intersting procedure. One thing I would suggest is that you wear a face mask rather than breathe in all that nasty stuff into your lungs.
I agree. The dust isn't really a problem usually but it can get stirred up when you are shoveling it out
I wonder if all outdoor boilers have that issue, are the grates cast iron or steel? Great video though, everything needs maintenance at some point.
These are cast iron. There are a lot of boilers that don't use grates
Every looks good .The fix to your small problem looks like a bigger wood shed HA HA
haha. Mostly it is for me to keep me out of the weather lol
Hey Joe I think I remember you said that your furnace also supplies your hot water...what do you do for hot water in the summer
The same hot water tank in the house. I have a T installed on the feed. I throw the valve when the Hardy season is over.
Great video, very interesting!
Glad you enjoyed it ssr!
always! Sir @@ohiowoodburner
Nothing more important in my book than heat! It certainly warrants putting in a paved driveway all the way from the street to the wood shed. Focus on the important stuff! PS you are inspiring me to go into sales and delivery here in my hometown.
Good to hear you are planning Jack. Get it going buddy!
Cold? Ahh, well, I guess it’s all relative, compared to 60°. Elaine from Canada here, I remember one of your early TH-cam winter videos where your cold snap was brutal, blizzards, a foot of snow, and frozen everything!! Great video today, and looks like those grates are still in good condition, perfect time to flip them. And excellent camera work,…inside the boiler even! I could almost feel the heat, heh heh. Have a good week Joe, cheers.
You mean, Joe Danger? Lol
Thanks Elaine. That Hardy keeps cranking out the heat!
Yeah the water pipes are freezing in the meter at the street in the major subdivisions around here
Man! That is a lot of work!!!
Grate job!
har har! Good one
Well Joe winter 🥶 isn’t over yet but it’s nice 👍 to have some warm weather during winter ❄️ excellent work and video 😮😊❤
You got that right!
Love the classics…wood boiler…kinetic splitter…etc. And congratulations Dan and Joe on 100 podcasts!!
Thanks so much RB!
My Hardey is 40 plus years old and never flipped the grates or broke 1.
Cut my stick 24 inches long and split pretty small the fire responds quicker and burns less wood and electricity.
You say you don't want to re split wood but that box wedge moves the same piece back and forth 3 or 4 times which is almost the same thing. You should go to a local fabricator and have a custom wedge built for your Japa, would save much time splitting on one cycle vs three or four. (You could also sell the wedge to other users).
17 years ! Puffing Billy doing a great job Joe !
He has been a great friend to have no doubt Gus!
Thank you;, Joe! This is a helpful video for all us Hardy Furnace owners. I have 2 comments.
1. I have had my Hardy for 15 years and have never flipped my grates. So, I'm wondering why I haven't had any break. I noticed that you have hardly any coals on top of the grates whereas my grates are always covered with a couple inches of coals and ash. Maybe because of the wood I burn? Anyway, possibly, it acts as an insulator to keep the grates from becoming so hot, even red hot. I have had it on my to do list that I will flip them this spring after the furnace is shut down. My furnace burns continually from startup in Dec. to sometime in March except for warm periods like we just had for a couple weeks when it seemed more reasonable to burn the propane than to burn firewood which I work so hard to get from various sites. I do burn the oddball pieces in the daytime when I'm around to thrown them in periodically during the day.
2. I learned quickly after getting the Hardy that if you open the door immediately after the blower turns off. you had best be standing off to the side. The firebox has just filled with super hot smoke and when the fresh air hits it, V000M! Had one of the largest voooms yesterday I can remember. The fireball literally came out 2 1/2 ft from the door. They are fun to see after dark. LOL
Hi Ron. I think I break a lot of grates bc I let the ash build up too high before I empty. i think that keeps a lot of heat in and around them. Not sure but its a theory! I am fully aware of the fire breathing dragon! I have been bit twice in my career. I have it in my DNA when it can happen. I usually open the ash door first but there are times when you are safe. Good luck with your Hardy
I talked to a neighbor down the road since I commented on your video this a.m..
He does the same as me, i.e. lets the ash build up top of the grates to about 4" before worrying about them. He's had his Hardy 20 years and replaced only 1 grate. And like me, his theory is that it insulates the grates from the fire above the ashes. The only thing is you do have to keep a breather hole somewhere in that bed of ashes to let the forced air from the blower get into the fire box. Now I'm quite certain the Hardy would not recommend this practice, but it seems to be working for neighbor and me.@@ohiowoodburner
hi Joe love your vids !! hey i was thinking...would a blower that was a little less strong not heat up the grates so much and ruin them ??
I'm not sure. I think my prob is I let the ash build up too high to the grates and they retain too much heat.
sounds logical Joe....my buddies outdoor boiler i believe just has a door that opens when it calls for heat...no blower...it seems to work well....just spitballing....lol
Hello Joe,I admire guys like you who can share parts of their privacy for the benefits and entertainement of others and I mean it.Many thanks for all that!
haha. Thanks Ray. I think I keep a comfort wall between my personal life as much as I want. As for the furnace and OWB I don't have any insecurities. we are all just trying to figure out things as we go. I'm no dif than anyone else!
Hi Joe. I always enjoy your videos. My father was an oil burner technician for over 30 years and the way he and his colleagues pronounced the name of the circulating pump was Tay-co, not taco like the Mexican dish. Keep up the great work!
I say that to be funny Jason. I opined in past vids of how cool it would be to have a taco pump lol
@@ohiowoodburner I like your Dad jokes, but this one went right over my head! You got me!!
That was fun.
Send Al Gore a Thank you note!! I pile up 2 winters worth before winter. Well dun!
winters sure are dif from when I was a boy
Would it not be more efficient to have a stove or an aga or something with a boiler in the house? You'd get the benefit of the fire inside then??
The benefit of the outdoor boiler is all the fire, smoke and CO are outside of the house. Also the mess, bugs, rodents from the wood are outside of the house
Homebody heater!!
haha thanks Harold
Joe first send me your nice weather good video plus you need two years of fire wood for your house
haha. I need more than that Bob!!
Why don't you have a fad shop burn you 3 grates the thickness and dimensions you want out of T11 stainless steel good for temperatures up to 1050°F.
They'll last forever.
I had a potbelly stove that burned ether coal and or wood combinations and they'll last you for a lifetime .
Just my opinion.
Opinions may vary.
Keep the vids coming to Pittsburgh Pa
Stay warm my friend from a lifetime subscriber of yours
God bless 🙏 you and yours 😊
Oh btw 304 stainless steel is the best for fire grates.
Enjoy your day😊😊
Interesting. Would those be pricey?
Like I said last year need to take those broken ones in to the recycle place to get a few buck back.
prob could Frank. They are pretty heavy
@@ohiowoodburner Be a good idea
Thanks for the videos Joe 👍👍