Music Chat: Apple Classical Is Here! Hooray?

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  • Join me for some first impressions of Apple's comprehensive new classical music streaming service, which naturally promises to be all things to all listeners. Is it? What do you think?
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  • @kevindanielson1908
    @kevindanielson1908 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    What I’d love to see the LINER NOTES included! Primephonic did that shortly before their demise. 😞

  • @jamespfash
    @jamespfash ปีที่แล้ว +43

    That's funny, because after using the app, I was just thinking that Apple should IMMEDIATELY hire you as their in-house critic/curator for recommendations. Are you listening, Apple? Given that we are now in the streaming era, perhaps you could do something like this once a month. Thank you very much, Dave!

    • @bwpm1467
      @bwpm1467 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      A bit too sycophantic, perhaps?

    • @KwangMarkEleven
      @KwangMarkEleven ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. They should hire Dave.

    • @neilford99
      @neilford99 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They should hire me as a QA / product owner.

  • @Stephenjamesbutler
    @Stephenjamesbutler ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Dear David. I know Apple broke gapless playback with IOS 16.2 but fixed it with 16.3 so if you have not updated that might explain the breaks, although of course it does depend on whether the work has been set up for gapless playback in the first place. Thank you for all you do.

  • @martinhaub6828
    @martinhaub6828 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    What I wish Apple or Spotify or some other app would do is this: put every single Big Box from DG, Sony, RCA, EMI and every other else online. Make each box a separate, easy to navigate folder. Then I can get rid of my doorstops.

    • @MDK2_Radio
      @MDK2_Radio ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It’s good to keep your doorstops because licensing expires and you may not be able to stream this stuff at a future point. Or have to get another service subscription. At least I don’t plan to lose mine, even though I definitely stream far more often than play my CD’s and LP’s anymore.

    • @papagen00
      @papagen00 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes please. Start with the Philips Complete Mozart Edition.

    • @jimcarlile7238
      @jimcarlile7238 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Spotify and Amazon have a quite a few of the big boxes complete. So does NML.

    • @mike-williams
      @mike-williams ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If you have it as a digital version (ie not streamed) then there's nothing to stop you from creating and organising that folder yourself. You could probably set them up as your own playlists in Spotify to the same end.

    • @eugenebraig413
      @eugenebraig413 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jimcarlile7238, so does Presto.

  • @ModusVivendiMedia
    @ModusVivendiMedia ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I wrestled with even putting different movements into separate tracks. It always made sense to me that the complaints about tracks being out of order, mixed up with other pieces, and gaps in between (or even worse, ads) could easily be solved by uploading the entire piece as one track.
    But then it's very hard to skip to the start of movements. (This could be solved by having timestamp shortcuts, like regular TH-cam allows, but no streaming audio platform has this feature that I know of.)
    In terms of payment, labels only get paid an average of $0.004 per play of each track (after the first 30 seconds are listened to), meaning that's all they'd get for a whole Mahler symphony if it were uploaded as one track - not that getting paid $0.016 for the four movements of a symphony is much better, particularly when the tracks only get a few hundred plays. (This could be solved by paying per minute listened to, but only IDAGIO does that; Primephonic used to, but it didn't carry over to Apple Music Classical.)
    Lots of people, especially beginners/musical dilettantes, enjoy listening to single movements and adding them to their playlists. Barely anyone would ever add the entire Mahler 5 to a playlist, but lots of people would happily add the Adagietto. The first movement of the Moonlight Sonata is far more popular than the other two. Etc. (Lots of people use classical music, mixed with other music, such as "contemporary classical", new age, or ambient, as background for studying or relaxing, so they want tracks with a particular mood, not a complete work with all its variety and distracting dynamic range. Or they might just want the movements with familiar, upbeat tunes.)
    So I end up uploading each movement as a separate track, like everyone else does.
    Another problem with classical streaming is of course the metadata, but perhaps not how most people think. We all know that the classical metadata of "composer, work, movement, performers (usually plural)" is orthogonal to the standard pop metadata of "album, track, artist (usually singular)".
    Apple Music set out to "fix" this by requiring the composer to be included as a contributor with the "composer" role (sensible), and then imposing strict requirements on the track title, including that the track title CANNOT include the composer name (since it was already included separately as a contributor). They will reject tracks in the classical genre that have a composer name in the track title (and hence distributors will reject it first before it even gets to Apple). (What they SHOULD have done was require a "work title" and optional "movement title" field, and let record labels manage the track title sensibly as a concise summary of what the track is, for platforms that lack the composer/work/movement fields. Apple could then just ignore and not display the track title.)
    This kind of works for Apple, but the problem is this: with the exception of Spotify and IDAGIO, no other streaming platform displays a contributor field (that is, the composer name) prominently; at best, you have to drill down to track details to see it. Many of them don't support it at all and provide no way to access it. Even Apple and Spotify don't ALWAYS display the composer name in the contributor field. Thus was born the endless lists of classical works on streaming platforms by mystery composers. For instance, a double album of a half dozen French string quartets (total around 24 tracks), each by a different composer, with none of the composer names listed anywhere. Good luck if you want to find more works by that composer, if you can't even find out who the composer is.
    Making this worse is distributors who will refuse to distribute the same tracks under the same ISRC numbers if the metadata differs even slightly, even if the only reason for the difference was to accommodate Apple vs other platforms and how they display (or don't display) the composer name. (I end up distributing to Apple through a different aggregator than I use for other DSPs.)
    One approach to alleviate these problems is to always upload each complete work as its own "album" (or "single" or "EP"), with the album title being "composer name: title of work". Then to play that piece, you just play the album, and the composer name is always in the album title.

    • @epon1357
      @epon1357 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think what Dave meant with splitting tracks was when movements themselves are split into tracks, such as with the Karajan live Mahler 9, where each movement is split into about 5 or 6 separate tracks. This does present an advantage regarding royalties, like you mentioned, since they would earn 5 or 6 times more for each (fairly long) movement.

    • @ModusVivendiMedia
      @ModusVivendiMedia ปีที่แล้ว

      @@epon1357 Ah, got it. Thanks for the clarification and insight. I had no idea anyone was actually releasing movements on streaming split into multiple tracks, though of course transitions between movements without a pause would also pose a dilemma (at least partly solved with gapless streaming).

  • @tommyward3950
    @tommyward3950 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I was looking for the 1953 Serafin/Callas recording of Cavalleria Rusticana and it was picked as the editors choice, which is tasteful and a cool feature as long as it consistently features good recordings for beginners especially.

  • @phomchick
    @phomchick ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I’ve listened to six of The Story of Classical episodes and think the series is very very good. They include illustrative excerpts and they are long enough that you get a good idea of the music. (The Romantic period episode ends with a good chunk of the last movement of Mahler’s 9th Symphony).
    The search function and the browsing hierarchy are optimized for Classical music and work really well. If the acid test is “can you find the music you are looking for?” they’ve got it right. I think that Apple Music Classical is a great addition to the classical music universe.
    As to gapless playback, I haven’t found anything that has the problem. What is an example?

    • @mrassilyer
      @mrassilyer ปีที่แล้ว

      I spoke to Apple a year ago re: a similar problem, and they told me that the track layout, etc. is dictated by the labels. They have no control of the albums they receive from them.

    • @TomsDone
      @TomsDone ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is "the story of classical" an Apple exclusive or can I find it elsewhere? (I don't mind exclusives if it is something they commissioned themselves, but I really hate the idea of them paying labels to keep stuff exclusive - those sorts of exclusives are terrible for consumers in general.)

    • @phomchick
      @phomchick ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TomsDone I’m sure it is exclusive. The narrator, Guy Jones, is the editor of Apple Classical.

    • @SamWesting
      @SamWesting ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Gapless playback isn’t a problem anymore. Dave is talking about a VERY OLD problem going back to the heyday of the iPod, when separate tracks that were supposed to be seamlessly linked had that pause. If anyone hears a gap that isn’t supposed to be there, that’s a source material problem, not an Apple Music issue.

    • @DanIspas
      @DanIspas ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree, it’s a really good series.

  • @CortJohnson
    @CortJohnson ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’m still beholden to product. I love pouring through box sets disc by disc. (Right now the Goebel box.) It’s more expensive of course but with the big boxes that are available now at such affordable prices, it’s pretty reasonable. I noticed that Apple doesn’t have everything in the group Goebels box. It has a lot but not everything.

  • @stayoutofmyhouse
    @stayoutofmyhouse ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That Dai Fujikura - Mirrors album is excellent, the Bassoon Concerto is insane.

  • @Andronicus
    @Andronicus ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting, illuminating and amusing! I followed your exploration of the app on my own phone.😊

  • @eugenebraig413
    @eugenebraig413 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A wholehearted "Aye." I've yet to come across a streaming service to package "classical" music in a way that has utility for the specialist audience. All these things make me glad that I maintain my own library, which in itself is becoming a bit dinosaurish.

  • @sjc1204
    @sjc1204 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad you covered this new service and I'll subscribe for a month to check it out. I'm currently a TIDAL annual subscriber.
    I hope we'll see an Apple Classical app for Mac OS and Windows at some point; Android is confirmed to be on the way.
    I am a little concerned with exclusives because it just seems pompous and, for those of us who primarily stream, just adds to the monthly expense if we have to subscribe to more than one service. Yes, streaming music is an incredible bargain so I really shouldn't complain.

  • @samuelheddle
    @samuelheddle ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw a screenshot of it where every recommended version of a piece (I think Rhapsody in Blue) was from a British orchestra/soloist and I just immediately assumed - "ohhhh, they're pulling their curation from Gramophone/Penguin'

  • @carlconnor5173
    @carlconnor5173 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    TH-cam is a great source for listening to Classical music. They have a vast library with contributors dedicated to making the music available. And they have the best critic imaginable to help guide us through it all. You talked about the interruptions and cutoffs on other apps, David. That’s the only complaint I have about TH-cam’s service. I’ll be listening to, say, a symphony, and ads pop up between movements; sometimes right in the middle of a movement. Now I know I can pay for ad free music. But I’m a miser! Oh, one other annoyance is having to go back after movement 1 and find the 2nd and so on. Sometimes there’s, say, no movement 3 to be found. Then again, this isn’t always the case. There ARE complete pieces to be had uninterrupted. It’s about 60%-40%, somewhere in that range. But, overall, it’s a valuable tool to have at one’s fingertips.

    • @TomsDone
      @TomsDone ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed - TH-cam has become an incredible resource for classical music performances. But you really do need to get TH-cam Premium to dispense with the ads. The cost is actually quite reasonable if you can do it as part of a family plan (or if you compare it to the cost of alternatives).

    • @carlconnor5173
      @carlconnor5173 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I probably should get it. On a larger scale it’s like my hesitancy to get a cel phone. I find the cost prohibitive. I just can’t seem to pull the trigger.

  • @AlexMFrankel
    @AlexMFrankel ปีที่แล้ว

    The app Primephonic was very good. I wonder if Apple has incorporated all the good features Primephonic had? If so, it’s worth trying. I’ve been using Spotify again lately and, for classical, it’s gotten better-not just the selection but the presentation.

  • @jimcarlile7238
    @jimcarlile7238 ปีที่แล้ว

    No booklets though, eh? What I like about Naxos Music Library (and Qobuz to a certain extent) is that they provide quite a bit of the original literature. I get NML free through the NYPL -- they traded it off a few years ago for Kanopy.

  • @sebastianbach3397
    @sebastianbach3397 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The track gap issue is very much there. The Zarathustra with Jansons and the Concertgebouw strangely enough has gaps between the 2nd and 3rd tracks and between the 3rd and 4th but the same recording doesn't have the gaps on the regular Apple Music app. Go figure!

  • @carlconnor5173
    @carlconnor5173 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just checked and it’s now available on my iPad (April 3). But given the “speed bump” TH-cam it is until/unless Apple can do something about it.

  • @jerrygennaro7587
    @jerrygennaro7587 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank You so much for clarifying that this new, highly touted service, still does not support gapless playback.

  • @josephgreen8149
    @josephgreen8149 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely agree about gaps, especially when listening to opera. My experience, for what it’s worth is that Spotify has managed to eliminate the gaps, what would be really helpful would be a comparison of the various Platforms.
    How do they gain their content? Is there any different repertoire on say Spotify compared with Apple and Amazon?

  • @MB-rx2qy
    @MB-rx2qy ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but the TH-cam Music app (on Android at least) features gapless playback.

  • @neilford99
    @neilford99 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who will stream Hyperion's catalogue? That's my burning question. I've been a qobuz subscriber since they first started out in France. Still have not found a better alternative.

  • @bradwilkins9347
    @bradwilkins9347 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This coincides with the announcement of Presto Music’s streaming service that focuses on classical and jazz.

  • @classicrecordings
    @classicrecordings ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Have you done a review of Presto’s app and streaming service?

  • @bobmcgowan7460
    @bobmcgowan7460 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm still trying to figure out why anybody would want to listen to classical music on a iPhone ! I'm kinda old fashion: Good audio equipment, decent size room, Cd collection and a hour or more of free time to really "listen" to music. Music "on the go" has no appeal to me but I guess I'm showing my age !

    • @poturbg8698
      @poturbg8698 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can connect the phone to a stereo system with an adapter and a USB cable. And if you work in an office, noise canceling Bluetooth headphones enable you to listen "on the sit" as well as "on the go."

    • @kidmarine7329
      @kidmarine7329 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      For the convenience. Classical music by any means is a good thing.

    • @bobmcgowan7460
      @bobmcgowan7460 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@poturbg8698 Yes and there's the issue of the battery in the iPhone. I see all of these recharging fools with their cords frantically looking for somewhere to plug it in. To use the iPhone to access music still seems like an unnecessary ste 1. Excuse me while I pop in my Cd.

  • @Godbluffer
    @Godbluffer ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just played the Stravinsky/Mäkelä album in the Apple Classical app, and it plays without any gaps between tracks. Perhaps there’s an issue with your phone?

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  ปีที่แล้ว

      Nope.

    • @andrasvrolok9848
      @andrasvrolok9848 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I had the same gap issue with the same album-I was playing it while prepping and then cooking in the kitchen via one of my HomePod minis. When the album completed and played again, through eating the meal, it had no gaps whatsoever. So it might have been a buffering glitch the first time? I'm not sure, only that it was an issue the first time through but not on the repeat.

    • @GG-cu9pg
      @GG-cu9pg ปีที่แล้ว

      This could be a problem that occurs on some devices but not others. I use Deezer, which has a huge selection of classical music but without much curating. It is gapless on my phone and tablet but has gaps on my PC. No amount of updates have fixed the problem. Maybe this is a similar situation?

    • @Godbluffer
      @Godbluffer ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrasvrolok9848 Yes, I forgot about that, but I’ve had that happening, too! When I then returned to the previous track and let it play from the final fifteen seconds, the the transition was gapless. Annoying, and an obvious bug, and as G G says, it can be device dependent.

  • @monksbird
    @monksbird ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve been an Apple Music user as long as there’s been an Apple Music. Something I don’t understand, I search, say Ernest Ansermet in Apple Music and a ton of stuff comes up. Do the same in Apple Classical, no where near the same amount of titles.

  • @vinylisland6386
    @vinylisland6386 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your "mmmaaaahhhh" was reminiscent of the Von den Hinterweltlern section of Also Sprach Zarathustra. Intentionally?

  • @leekramer5710
    @leekramer5710 ปีที่แล้ว

    Once again I will recommend Classical Archives for those of us that are somewhat in the know and want to explore lesser known works. The layout is more useful.

  • @henriquelohmann
    @henriquelohmann ปีที่แล้ว

    I use Spotify regularly and it does gapless playback quite well. As for Apple Classical, I don't see the point of having a separate app just for classical music; implementing a way of organizing classical albums in an all-purpose music app doesn't seem all that hard to me.

  • @khalilmutallibov
    @khalilmutallibov ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hi Dave! Thanks for this review! The breaks problem is resolved in Spotify if you turn on "Gapless playback"(also you should turn off shuffle). Personally I'm satisfied with Spotify, it works for me.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  ปีที่แล้ว +8

      You shouldn't have to "turn on" anything. That should be the default setting.

    • @khalilmutallibov
      @khalilmutallibov ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DavesClassicalGuide Yes, I agree.

    • @ervinvice1521
      @ervinvice1521 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@DavesClassicalGuide It appears to be the default for the Apple app.

    • @georgebradley419
      @georgebradley419 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t like Spotify for the sound quality. I much prefer Tidal Masters and even Apple music lossless. Being an audiophile with hi-end gear, I can’t listen to lower bit rate streaming. Spotify is one of the worst when it comes to paying artists too.

    • @khalilmutallibov
      @khalilmutallibov ปีที่แล้ว

      @@georgebradley419 I know Spotify has the worst audio quality. But for me convenience of the interface and organizing playlists do the job. I don't find any of the other streaming services to be as persuasive in that respect. That's me, everyone will have their own preferences :)

  • @jimcochran1408
    @jimcochran1408 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Forget all this! Give me an Ormandy stereo box, Isser-Schmit box, reprint the Handel oratorio box, etc!!

    • @CortJohnson
      @CortJohnson ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😊😊😊

    • @mancal5829
      @mancal5829 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh, an Ormandy stereo box. Yes! 😊

  • @papagen00
    @papagen00 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    First, they need to stop calling the tracks "songs" 🙄
    Second, need multiple search parameters ("Scimone, Rossini, Gasdia", "Cavalleria, Gigli,

    • @poturbg8698
      @poturbg8698 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They **are** called TRACKS in the classical app.

    • @phomchick
      @phomchick ปีที่แล้ว

      They aren't "songs" in the classical app, unless they ARE songs.

  • @michaelgarcia6400
    @michaelgarcia6400 ปีที่แล้ว

    One improvement from the regular Apple Music is more complete information in the track listing. One thing I miss is the compilation choice under a composer name or conductor. That feature helps to find the “boxes” that you review often. Apple often breaks the boxes up into single discs or “volumes” but some things, for example the Gerard Schwartz box, are complete.😮

    • @michaelgarcia6400
      @michaelgarcia6400 ปีที่แล้ว

      😢

    • @vinylarchaeologist
      @vinylarchaeologist ปีที่แล้ว

      Pretty sure it‘s not Apple breaking up anything, as they don‘t have a say in that. It‘s the labels that decide on how things are presented.

    • @michaelgarcia6400
      @michaelgarcia6400 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m sure you’re right

  • @matthiasm4299
    @matthiasm4299 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I only have an iPad, where the app apparently is only the phone version right now, which is disappointing. The exclusive live stuff seems somewhat interesting, but we'll see how "exclusive" those things really are. (plenty of VPO concerts are broadcast on the radio, for instance)
    As far as systematic searches are concerned, idagio still seems superior, although the version differences are also frustrating there.

    • @robj7386
      @robj7386 ปีที่แล้ว

      its on ipad now, the interface not much bigger than iphone though

    • @matthiasm4299
      @matthiasm4299 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@robj7386 I meant that the iPad version is simply an enlarged phone version, rather than one dedicated for tablets.

    • @robj7386
      @robj7386 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matthiasm4299 yes, i bet they fix it up, even the search ability

  • @loganfruchtman953
    @loganfruchtman953 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m not getting it because I already have Spotify and it has all the same stuff.

  • @MDK2_Radio
    @MDK2_Radio ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I use Spotify and there are no problems with breaks on that service. For example they have Karajan’s live Mahler 9, which is something like 25 tracks the way DG did it (it’s the same on the CD), but it plays without anything audible at each track break. I haven’t used any other streaming service, but I will offer my personal experience with Spotify as being a positive one in that regard.

    • @MDK2_Radio
      @MDK2_Radio ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the review and discussion, it was quite informative.

  • @JPFalcononor
    @JPFalcononor ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I could not listen to many of the Bernstein/NYPO/Mahler, digitally, because of the absurd number of tracks peppered throughout the music. Those invasive audio bumps drove me nuts.

    • @MDK2_Radio
      @MDK2_Radio ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That’s terrible that the breaks are audible.

    • @MarshallArtz007
      @MarshallArtz007 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Those extra tracks are so useful on actual CDs, but that they are audible on these streaming services is beyond absurd. 😎🎹

  • @ahartify
    @ahartify ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't have any argument with Spotify, as there are no breaks between movements or tracks on an album. The only thing I don't like is the way they call a movement or instrumental piece a 'song.' There are also no sleeve notes, lyrics or libretto available on PDF.

    • @martinhaub6828
      @martinhaub6828 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jayeff221 No it's not. I like it quite a bit...I have zero problems with playback, it has tons of stuff, and if you use the search correctly I can find whatever I want quickly and easily. Even though the sound is somewhat compressed, I sure can't tell the difference. Spotify is good enough that I find no compelling reason to go to the Apple product.

  • @Bdw11
    @Bdw11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can’t browse my library by composer which is what I was hoping for

  • @bigfan2710
    @bigfan2710 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hmm interesting. In terms of content, I guess my question would be why desert Spotify? But I already have my music, know what I want/like and sources to go to so I am probbaly not the audience they are looking for.... However, an interesting source for the "beginner".

  • @johnshea294
    @johnshea294 ปีที่แล้ว

    I couldn't agree more, Dave, with your assessment. Classical music should be heard as the composer intended. Long live the tangible object (the cd or vinyl) as the best source for musical pleasure. Keep it going, Dave. I'm 82, and still learning, thanks to folks like you.

  • @dennis_gentile
    @dennis_gentile ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm wondering why he's having this problem. All streaming services are pretty much gapless. I use Qobuz and never encounter the problem on any classical piece - no matter the length. I use android. I'm wondering if Apple has a setting that requires turning on gapless.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  ปีที่แล้ว

      Not that I've noticed.

    • @dennis_gentile
      @dennis_gentile ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavesClassicalGuide Very puzzling. I used Spotify before Qobuz and every classical piece also on that platform was exactly the same as the CD. Hope you can fix the problem. Good luck.

  • @poturbg8698
    @poturbg8698 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Album titles like "Moon and Water" (for Debussy Preludes) have been around in CDs and downloadable files for years. Yes, they are ridiculous, but Apple's app isn't their source.

    • @JesusDiaz-pb8wp
      @JesusDiaz-pb8wp ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’m sure he knows that, he was just reacting to them accordingly.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Exactly. Stupid titles are common.

  • @ArtKrikorian
    @ArtKrikorian ปีที่แล้ว

    I used Primephonic briefly before Apple acquired it. I now use Qobuz. Not perfect but very good. Judging from your description this sounds way too convoluted for my tastes.

  • @olivierbeltrami
    @olivierbeltrami ปีที่แล้ว

    From your description of the app, it looks a lot like the idagio app. Lots of good stuff, but the main screen is full of non-musical gunk.

  • @stephen_pfrimmer
    @stephen_pfrimmer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    or beginners: David! start a Classics Today beginner app! AI is no substitute for DAvId. Music is history, not just clumps of recordings. The dandelion Whitman saw came from something.

  • @antmanbee100
    @antmanbee100 ปีที่แล้ว

    The little sniglets are recorded that way. Apple are only presenting what they have been given. Yes it's annoying. Rite of Spring is often snigletized.

  • @peteresq7420
    @peteresq7420 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope Hyperion is added to the App. now that Universal will probably be dissolving or downsizing the label through the merger/takeover.

  • @ervinvice1521
    @ervinvice1521 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don’t understand the “breaks” issue you’re referring to. I have had no trouble hearing longer works uninterrupted on this app. I listened to Shaker Loops by John Adams (Edo de Wart, SF Symphony) and heard no unwanted breaks. Also, have you tried to look up, say, a symphony? It will show you the entire thing, all movements intended by the composer in the correct order - no “excerpts” if you don’t want any. I do not see anything “anti-classical” in this app so far.

    • @michaelfurbank3504
      @michaelfurbank3504 ปีที่แล้ว

      I understand it. I had to give up on Qobuz, no matter how many adjustments I made or fixes they suggested there were still micro breaks in the listening experience. It was fine on the phone but I wanted a high end audio experience, which it was anything but.

    • @ervinvice1521
      @ervinvice1521 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelfurbank3504 I’ve never heard of Qobuz. What we’re discussing here is the Apple Classical app. I have heard no “breaks” where they don’t belong.

    • @Godbluffer
      @Godbluffer ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelfurbank3504 Qobuz has a lot of classical albums where the files were already delivered wrong like that, mostly from Universal Music back catalogue titles, *not* the newer ones. Many of the same albums are perfectly gapless on Apple Music, though.

    • @jamespfash
      @jamespfash ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think some streaming services are better than others with having "gapless" playback. Which is a must have while listening to operas.

    • @ChrisWalker-fq7kf
      @ChrisWalker-fq7kf ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've never had this problem on Apple Music. Also I find that most recordings don't break up long movements of symphonies into short sections anyway. Just checked a bunch of Mahler symphonies in my library - some half hour movements as one "song", no problem.

  • @robertdandre94101
    @robertdandre94101 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    honestly I think too much is too much... C.H talks about it a lot these days in Montreal. And we forget that to take full advantage of it you have to be well equipped very well equipped in terms of sound reproduction...... the choice of course is so vast on the web now and ...... if we listened to our entire discotheque again now, would we have enough time for the rest of our lives ....?

    • @poturbg8698
      @poturbg8698 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You don't have to be well equipped electronically to listen. If you have an iPhone or iPad plus wireless earbuds or Bluetooth headphones, you're all set. If you want to hear this app on a "big rig," if the preamp or AVR has a USB input, there is a $20 adapter that will hook you up.

    • @jamespfash
      @jamespfash ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@poturbg8698 I couldn't agree more 👍

  • @adrianosbrandao
    @adrianosbrandao ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Apple has bought Primephonic - a Dutch company affiliated to the Pentatone label - in order to create this app.
    I’ve been maintaining a similar app called Concertino for some years. It works the same exact way the Apple Classical does, but without all the beginners thing and the corporate PR crap.
    The metadata stuff is pretty hard and resource consuming to do, and kudos to them for that. But they present all the information in such a lousy and confusing way - the user interface is really bad.

  • @A.J314
    @A.J314 ปีที่แล้ว

    RIP Primphonic

  • @markwoods1951
    @markwoods1951 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your final comments about breaks being noticeable in streaming apps is largely why to me the CD will always be essential. Don't get me wrong, I love streaming services to initially listen to a piece of music, but if I want to keep it, I'll always buy the CD. I actually rarely listen to music on a CD anymore, but If I have the CD I can rip it to iTunes (Now The Apple Music App on my computer), organize and tag it the way I want and listen to the music without any noticeable breaks. I of course knew this for myself, but thanks for clarifying to me the reason why I continue to spend inordinate amounts of money on CDs.

    • @JellyBean120830
      @JellyBean120830 ปีที่แล้ว

      Except that most likely it was just an iOS bug which has already been patched.

  • @kaiwistoski9858
    @kaiwistoski9858 ปีที่แล้ว

    I haven’t had issues with gaps. Perhaps it’s your internet? Maybe try downloading the music and see if it improves

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  ปีที่แล้ว

      No, it's not the phone or the internet. It's the service. Many others have the same issue.

  • @michael-pn9po
    @michael-pn9po ปีที่แล้ว

    I have never understood why the record companies split homogenous ‘movements’ into random chunks - this started happening when CDs came on the scene - LPs only did this when they were unable to physically fit a movement onto a single side. For example I have a number of recordings of the Liszt Sonata - where the recording is broken into a random number of tracks - why? This has encouraged the numpties at the streaming services to do likewise when delivering classical ‘songs’. They treat each track as a ‘song’. Well done Apple for waking up to the fact that Classical Music needs different curation to Popular Music - but still a long way to go. BTW have you tried Presto Classical streaming? That should be better but ….

  • @onnoalink6694
    @onnoalink6694 ปีที่แล้ว

    These kind of apps are never designed to serve classical music. They are designed to host popular music, songs, bits and pieces. Moreover, everything nowadays is produced to serve young people and finding classical works en listening to them the way we want to does not fit that modern system. And of course Apple does not design a completely new format, just for classical music lovers. We are a minority. The big money is elsewhere.

  • @cobymela
    @cobymela ปีที่แล้ว

    GAPLESS!

  • @bluetortilla
    @bluetortilla ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Meh. 5 thumbs down! As much as I love Apple, the computer, I do not want to be spoonfed art from an 'AI genius'. I'd rather get my. Music Word of mouth, or eye to paper you know what I mean. Now, I do buy all my music in digital form. But I buy FLAC and I also have audio engine speakers with a big wolfer.I can't imagine anyone really enjoying music on AirPods below midrange, much less from a tinny iPhone, but hey to each his own

    • @poturbg8698
      @poturbg8698 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can connect the iPhone to an AVR or DAC, which bypasses the phone's DAC. Sounds decent.

  • @silvershield2342
    @silvershield2342 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can’t see why it took Apple couple years post acquisition of Primephonic to come up with this…a childish, watered down version. Was a bit disappointed after waiting so long. I think IDAGIO classical app is the way to go.

  • @Warp75
    @Warp75 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve got a iPhone & a Mac & that’s enough Apple for me.
    Never had a paid streaming service in my life & I don’t want one.

  • @johnmarchington3146
    @johnmarchington3146 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm an Android user so that counts me out.

    • @sjc1204
      @sjc1204 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Apple formally stated Android app is in development. Could take a while though.

    • @johnmarchington3146
      @johnmarchington3146 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sjc1204 Thanks for your comment. I'll keep looking out for it. Having said that, it's unlike Apple to help the opposition.